retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[lucid geode]

I get the sentiment but it's about money, not convenience

[indigo shale]

im not speaking from a company side of things im speaking from a consumers side of things

[lucid geode]

Yeah but what does that matter? Big publishers don't create games for us

They create games to make 💰

[indigo shale]

thats the problem, you get half assed games then where anything slightly above bad is classed as a good game

[viscid monolith]

Originally Microsoft wanted Xbox only servers which was a big no

[balmy mesa]

XIV is coming to Xbox (eventually)
there's only one big hurdle atm and it's really just a policy thing

there were originally two hurdles, but one was removed when MS announced that they would no longer require Xbox Live Gold for F2P and subscription games

the second (and only) hurdle is MS's requirement for their own chat servers

and that's more of a policy thing

[teal geyser]

XIV is coming to Xbox
/doubt

Sorry I just don't see it

[wet crown]

/donotcare

[balmy mesa]

idk man, they tease it all the time

[crystal arrow]

i doubt it'll ever come to xbox

[wet crown]

they also tease egi-glamour all the time

see how that works?

[balmy mesa]

considering yoship and phil spencer are both keen and have teased it before it's literally a matter of policy

[teal geyser]

...once

[wet crown]

Last one we got was Ruby Carbuncle in 3.5

[balmy mesa]

I mean, SE is a Japanese company, they're not going to back down until they get what they want

[crystal arrow]

imagine playing on xbox in 2021 lol 🤡

[balmy mesa]

(even if it's for dumb reasons)

I mean, look at Nintendo

[indigo shale]

Nintendo would have it so you buy their game but never get to play if they could get away with it

[lucid geode]

I mean, both of those companies are incredibly successful on the japanese market. Which is exactly the issue, that's the only place where they really care

[dim sigil]

Game sphere or gtfo

[crystal arrow]

ffxiv on ouya or bust

[balmy mesa]

considering 16 has a very "western" aesthetic while still keeping that japanese feel, they're definitely considering audiences beyond japan

but as a company, SE still has a long way to go

(side note: fuck sending faxes, I fucking hate those things)

[open verge]

I mean they published an avengers game

[balmy mesa]

which they also half-arsed (and it was built by a NA studio, I think?)

[crystal arrow]

they also published balan wonderworld

[balmy mesa]

exactly

[spiral mica]

Crystal Dynamics if Im not mistaken

[balmy mesa]

ahhh former Eidos

[spiral mica]

same guys that made the LEGENDARY LoK series

which i miss badly

[misty yoke]

Crystal dynamics really has a bad rep with games lmao

[balmy mesa]

please don't remind me

the nostalgia is real with legacy of kain

anyway, speaking of balan wonderworld, literally the best thing about that game was the dance sequences

[spiral mica]

Im gonna have to say FUCK SE for owning that IP and just sitting on it letting it rot

big fat fuck you

im still butthurt that Dark Prophecy was cancelled

although that was before SE iirc

SE canned Dead Sun tho

[balmy mesa]

if it's prior to 2009, it was prior to SE

[spiral mica]

DP was in development immediately after Defiance. So probably around 2005 or something like that?

i dont remember the exact year

[distant sonnet]

Raziel best edgelord.

[spiral mica]

facts

[oak pike]

Ahhhh yes soul reaver

[balmy mesa]

Eidos had serious financial issues, so it's not surprising they cancelled stuff

[spiral mica]

Micheal Bell and Simon Templeman. Name a more iconic duo

[fallow ferry]

So was the nier raid supposed to have a second ending now? Cause I remember we were going to get another ending for the raid each week or something

[wet crown]

No. We get weekly quests after the initial completion.

[fallow ferry]

Oh.

Disappointing.

[wet crown]

Why is that disappointing?

You didn't even finish them all.

[viscid monolith]

What does this week's note say

[wet crown]

Wait a fucking second.

...What pod?

[balmy mesa]

not an ipod, surely?

[wet crown]

They're also supposed to be gone.

[dim sigil]

The other dwarf also seems to be under the influence of something

[dusk drift]

not all the pods would be gone

the bunker and the factory are still there, full of scraps
not that hard to believe there are some spare pods lying around, or enough parts to cobble one together

[dim sigil]

I just hope this leads to something interesting at least please

[dusk drift]

it's yoko taro
95% chance it will be frustrating and ambiguous, and make me feel sad if i think about it too hard

[dim sigil]

I wouldn't mind that even if it had some relation to the 14 World at least

[clever flume]

also there were still some pods in the excavation tunnels

[distant sonnet]

.> I wish I still had hope. 5% would have been nice.

Downside in indulging with some botany. Unless, of course, they add another quest in 5.55 I guess?

[silk cape]

If the writing makes you feel something it's probably good writing. If it's making you feel frustrated because the story feels incomplete, then yeah, that's sucks, but at least it compels you.

[distant sonnet]

"This shit stinks but as least you smelt something?"

[silk cape]

Spend enough time with depression and feeling anything is kinda nice, yeah

[unreal gale]

That’s not how you assess good writing. Getting upset because a story is bad or incomplete simply means your expectations were let down. It doesn’t mean the story itself compels you. People wanted a good Nier story, and they didn’t get it. Maybe this storytelling format worked in the Nier franchise, but it falls flat here.

[boreal forge]

Fandaniel says is part of some group what is that group exactly? I cant get anything in my language i only got that is related to cells

[wet crown]

They're a group, that wants to destroy the world and all live, as far as we know.

[clever flume]

its damndaniel's doomsday cult, thats all we know

[boreal forge]

Ye but the name have some real, in real world i mean, implications

[clever flume]

afaik it doesn't

[wet crown]

Telophoroi?

[boreal forge]

I only found that is related to cells nothing more

[clever flume]

outside of it being greek and the translation of it something like "end bringers"

[distant sonnet]

Telos = end

Phero = carry/bring

And oi is just.. plural

So yeah. Endbringers.

[boreal forge]

Ty

[maiden lodge]

Adrastia beat me to it

[subtle pasture]

I really dig the Telotek and Telodragon mobs in Paglth’an

[maiden lodge]

In biology, telomeres are the end segments of chromosomes, basically to prevent them from going frayed. But each time they get copied, they get shorter and shorter. Without them, the chromosome just falls apart, and this is believed to be the cause of aging.

[subtle pasture]

The other big common one I suppose would be Telophase, the final stage of cell mitosis

[maiden lodge]

yeh

[dim sigil]

Having just cleared Diamond I have one question is the second number you get always going to be the same as the first or did I just get lucky

[strange wing]

I wish to slap the person who made vertical cleave

[dim sigil]

Honestly it's not even that bad the hardest part of the fight is just having to quickly recognize what number you are

[strange wing]

The fight is pretty easy honestly. Doge phase just has a lot of yeet mechanics

[dim sigil]

he has a very generous en rage we just recycled mechanics like twice and we were just on the starting the Third

[gaunt star]

My static is split between what to call it, Robo Ifrit or Diamond Doggy

[wet crown]

Diamond Disappointment

[gaunt star]

That too

Surprised it gives 2 totems per run, it's such a short fight and very easy

[maiden lodge]

It's the second longest extreme.

[crystal arrow]

my fc's static calls the dash phase "doggo zoomies"

[brazen stag]

Oh... Diamond Dog. Do you think that was intentional?

[maiden lodge]

Diamond clear times on median are longer than the previous record holder before Hades--Seiryu.

yeah... that surprised me

[torpid yoke]

which means when people die to limit cut you get very sad because it took a bit to GET THERE :')

[subtle pasture]

It goes by quick bc it has decent pacing, and each phase is a nicely sectioned third

[maiden lodge]

Ya'll spoiled though--dying to a late mechanic used to be normal

[distant sonnet]

Reeeees in Black Smokers

[torpid yoke]

whats black smokers?

[distant sonnet]

Diamond EX is a beautiful fight.

[maiden lodge]

late mechanic in e3s

[distant sonnet]

In E3S, Black smokers was a brand spanking new mechanic like 8 minutes into the fight.

[maiden lodge]

conflag strike

[torpid yoke]

also idk if im spoiled. I started playing in HW

[distant sonnet]

Conflag striiiiiike.

[maiden lodge]

Meanwhile E8S is like 'Fine, here, let's get it over with'

[distant sonnet]

E2S cycles..

[distant sonnet]

"Always wondered why people don't use their strongest attack first."

Or for prior Exs.. meteors in Suzaku, for example.

[maiden lodge]

Seiryu's Second Chungus

'Hrm... how about you guys handle EVERYTHING'

[distant sonnet]

Or, my personal favorite SB EX bullshit..

[maiden lodge]

Selenomancy?

[distant sonnet]

The brain is a wondrous thing. It functions from even before we've drawn our first breath all the way until Byakko begins to cast Sweep the Leg.

[maiden lodge]

Naw that's not teh SB trap mechanic

[distant sonnet]

That one just sneaks in there and ends runs

Because people stand staring like chumps

[maiden lodge]

Naw. The real trap card.

Lakshmi adds.

tanks just tanks the mages while the archers commit atrocities and the dps burst down literally everything EXCEPT the one with the shield

[wet crown]

It's in Normal Mode. You can't complain.

[distant sonnet]

Yes. But its not in EX until the final phase and it just sneaks on in there.

Susano could have some brutal RNG with clouds and dice and "but be in a row behind him" too

[wet crown]

I gotta be honest. I highly prefer trials with RNG elements to them that require quick adjustments.
It's keep them fresh and engaging.

[distant sonnet]

Depends. This is why I love WoL

It has Rng enough to keep you on your toes but its never bullshit about it.

[tropic frigate]

its never bullshit because you always gotta learn it

just need the game to become all about rng and i'd like it more

[wet crown]

Ravana - directional parry
Sephirot - who gets what color assigned
Byakko - bubble mechanics in both phases
Ruby - The whole fight (minus the rotation part for uptime)

just as examples

[distant sonnet]

Okay but counterpoint.

Directional Parry sucks and needs to be nuked from orbit

[wet crown]

Found the melee

[distant sonnet]

No because it also effects RDM ogcds

[maiden lodge]

most of that rng is mitigated by basing your location under the hitbox. If, for that mechanic, you live under the hitbox, and you set your knockback towards the close wall, you can't get caught because the middle of his hitbox will always be safe.

[distant sonnet]

I would't mind it if it had a grace period. Indicators come up, couple seconds later it happens.

But "you were mid thing and this thing happened lolgetfucked." Sucks

[torpid yoke]

directional parry effects everyone

[distant sonnet]

One part forces you to spread out with aoes, then collapse back in. But dice at the same time.

[maiden lodge]

Directional parry sucks balls as a rdm, if it happens in the 0.5 seconds at the end of a cast. Then you've got another cast queued, and possibly some ogcds as well

[distant sonnet]

It can be very tricky if you're forced to move and have dice

[maiden lodge]

in 2020 he should be dead before that one, even synched.

[distant sonnet]

In 2020 sure. I was talking at content

Most late game bullshit gets cut off if you 2021 dps it. Heh

[maiden lodge]

On content, he should have been dead before the puddles+knockback+line

Barring wierd week 1-2 "we don't even have susy weapons yet"

[distant sonnet]

Yyyyeah but crystal.

[maiden lodge]

tbf not many people cottoned onto the 'the center of his hitbox is always in the line' and 'the knockback is recovered from faster if you get knocked forward instead'

Like the knockback+stackmarker+safeline? Stand on the tank.

You get knocked forward, everyone should be in melee range for this guy (being in the boonies is a misplay for Susano) and you're already probably in stack marker position

The only exception is if there's a cloud forward, but then getting knocked back is just as bad. Instead you get knocked to the side and the party stays in the center, safe.

The only time it's unsafe to be in the middle is during the tankbuster

For puddles and line you start middle, the knock back goes out, you bait puddles under his hitbox, and then getting to the safe area is easy. For dice, you bait puddles in melee, run out, wait, come back in.

[dim sigil]

What fight is this

[maiden lodge]

susano

sorry I got carried away

[dim sigil]

I didn't do him when he was new but I did him sometime in sb recall it being played easy

[ivory crown]

Do we know what kind of reward we get for all triad cards? Is it just another new triple triad card?

[magic kelp]

||I heard it was a cruise chaser mount but I dont know for sure, so take it with a grain of salt||

[clever flume]

[crystal arrow]

we don't know what the cruise chaser mount is connected to, just that it exists lol - it's not even obtainable yet

[pine epoch]

The CC mount is unavailable currently

[fallow ferry]

Give us the CC mount SE

[stiff charm]

if the triple triad reward is cruise chaser i will cry, i am never doing triple triad

[heady shadow]

top 20 pvp feast

[tropic frigate]

it being connected to triad was only a guess and never confirmed

[magic kelp]

Yeah thats why I said I'm not sure

[maiden lodge]

Cruise Chaser is not available yet. The item is not on the Eorzea Database.

[brisk quail]

Bozja mount?

[wary perch]

Probably new rw mount

From achievement

[torpid yoke]

pvp mount

[tropic frigate]

if its a rival wings mount i am actually tryin on this one

i have just not done them and i really liked the suit mount i never got

[torpid yoke]

https://twitter.com/chippznuff/status/1385177661891358728?s=20

chimaki jump and hop (@chippznuff)

I need you to understand that this flyer inside the case made me nearly scream laughing

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Memes

[magic kelp]

Mnemes

[carmine basin]

YoshiP: ok you get to advertise replicant in the collab raid, but you have to advertise ff14 too

[rough kestrel]

You know what the funniest thing is to me. The fact it's WoL fighting Hraesvelgr and not Nidhogg.

That's always weirded me out about HW Promo stuff.

[tropic frigate]

i keep forgetting that

[rough kestrel]

If I was on the dev team that kind of OCD shit would annoy me to no end

"WE GOTTA FIX THE ART GUYS"
"It's like 6 years old though"
"NO I CANT STAND IT"

[carmine basin]

I think it's because the CG team only modeled Hraesvelgr andnnot Nidhogg

[rough kestrel]

Which is silly, but I assume is the result of the team at some point probably planning for the Antagonist to be Hraesvelgr, and then not doing that.

[carmine basin]

From what I heard, the CG team got designs for Hraesvelgr first and they had to start early because modeling takes time. Maybe the concept for Nidhogg wasn't finished by then? It's why the trailer for HW also has Hraesvelgr models for the dragons

[rough kestrel]

I want someone to mention it at live Q&A just so I can see yoshi go

Like when they ask him about 1.x

[dawn wave]

they’re not gonna pick difficult questions for the live Q&A, don’t worry

[gaunt star]

They've also discussed it before

They admitted it was a mistake, but they caught it too late

[gloomy shale]

what ilvl gear will be in bozja you think?

[gaunt star]

Probably still synced to 430

[kindred meteor]

p sure they mean the gear you'll get from Zadnor, since the Law Order gear was 510

[gaunt star]

If they follow the pattern then 530 and 535 for augmented

[gloomy shale]

ah sorry yeah thats what I meant the next patch gear

and will it just be the relic wep?

[clever flume]

we dont know if zadnor is going to add new gearsets

pretty much the only thing we know for sure is the last step of the relic

[gloomy shale]

yeah would be a bonus to get gear I guess

[haughty walrus]

I really hope its dyable without needing to be augmented this time.

[gloomy shale]

oof yeah I agree

[kindred meteor]

or the augment is easier then doing a 48 man Savage lmao

[gaunt star]

Its not even that bad tho

[kindred meteor]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gaunt star]

CEM constantly has runs of different levels as well so unless ur truly unlucky with time its not like its inaccessible

[unreal gale]

What’s CEM?

[dawn wave]

crystal exploratory missions

discord that organises BA and DRS runs and the like

[unreal gale]

I see, thanks!

[cosmic herald]

it's been three years since they have added higher rank

[rough kestrel]

I hope post 6.0 we see an overhaul of the Grand Companies

"After the conclusion of the war against Fandanial & Zenos, we have used this time of new found peace to re-assess and re-organize the structure of the Grand Companies, Ishgard has also started it's own Grand Company during this time."

And then you can integrate Beast tribe shit into them as well as each one can have an on-going partnership with a local tribe.

I don't know what sort of gameplay content you could do with them but I'm sure they could do something to make them feel mildly relevant.

[lucid geode]

How would you integrate that with the ARR story?

The system has to make sense across time periods after all

[rough kestrel]

I mean it just has to be called "Grand Company" still and it'd be fine, and some of the features are blocked off until you get to the relevant points in MSQ.

I was just giving one example of an excuse for the reform, even if in reality thats a meta reason they give players and ingame they don't say much about it other than maybe the added beast tribe shit.

[gaunt star]

I had a dream they released a trailer and it was gaius getting really angry and emotional at the state of garlemald and the stuff that happened with werlyt and he was like "fuck this im taking garlemald back"
It was pretty cool

[late trail]

https://twitter.com/FF_XIV_EN/status/1385549146833235968

FINAL FANTASY XIV (@FF_XIV_EN)

Which is more terrifying?

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[teal geyser]

Is it just that one MGSV trailer but instead of Kaz it's Gaius?

[lucid geode]

Kaz is too melancholic, Gaius wouldn't have any of that shit

[kind lark]

Can we get Gaius burgers?

https://youtu.be/XNHm4u4Ssr0

[gaunt star]

I havent seen the trailer but he got really mad cuz someone was like "everything worked out right" and then bish bash bosh

Im.pretty sure it was supposed to link to the moon stuff too... But my brain skipped over it

[gaunt star]

Gaius Burgers advertisement being that of a 10-minute ad while descending a miles-long elevator shaft.

[balmy mesa]

oh shit what if Zeno's new weapon is a ... golf club

[late aurora]

You mean like in...other video game

[gaunt star]

Zenos 5.3: "I need to find myself a new iron!" ⛳

[dusk drift]

WoLe in one

[iron scaffold]

you mean Zantetsuken? that thing have range to cleave entire server

[balmy mesa]

probably yeah

I gotta say Paglth'an's theme is probably my favourite out of the patch dungeons

[torpid yoke]

this text to me when mark finishes writing it

[severe brook]

okay so basically
the Tower interior concept art, with the Magus Sisters, clearly shows Matanga half-sealed in the walls like the Amal'jaa were in the Pagl'than Tower
so there definitely will be a Matanga Lunar Primal of some sort.
However, the Matanga Tower interior is massive, much bigger than what we saw of the Pagl'than Tower interior so far. So whatever they're summoning is likely equally large in scale.

So I predict that that the Matanga will have an animistic religion, worshipping the Lifestream itself. Thus "Anima" is the embodiment of the Lifestream, but because she lacks a definite form of her own in their minds, she is utterly twisted and warped because she is shaped entirely through the Lunar Summoning.

Now their primal could well be the Magus Sisters themselves, since they're half-contained in the tower walls too. Perhaps Lunar Primals come out of the walls of the tower as they're summoned, since we never actually saw Lunar Ifrit form, he only jumped down.

[wet crown]

No, I agree with Anima. But in typical Anima-fashion, she'll be utterly corrupted. We might just see an artwork of some kind of her before the lunarfication.

[severe brook]

yeah i could see them doing that
like how we had the art of Save the Queen

perhaps her lower body will be elephantine

[distant sonnet]

In theory.. we know that at least some of the Matanga had a god.

[torpid yoke]

its a cat lady "Uh actually its a roe"

[wet crown]

Not every Gunhilldr was a Hrothgar.

[severe brook]

that being said, the Magus Sisters do look to be wearing somewhat Elephant-esque masks

[wet crown]

I think this might just happen when you keep asking for characters to become part of the BLU story.

[severe brook]

they would've fit

[torpid yoke]

maybe they can fuse into anima

[severe brook]

Heavy Tank for BLU Story

see now it'll be in the Garlean Deep Dungeon

[somber storm]

Well The Magus Sisters first appeared in 4 and on top of a tower

[wet crown]

After Bozja, I am heavily against Deep Dungeons.

[severe brook]

TANKCERATOPS
https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Heavy_Tank

[torpid yoke]

wai

[wet crown]

Bozja is just better

[torpid yoke]

you are like the first person ive seen say that

[distant sonnet]

Deep dungeon is so much more fun with a small group

[torpid yoke]

i like doing solos

[gusty quest]

TANKCERATOPS AND THE VEHICULARSAURS!!

[severe brook]

BUY MY ACTION FIGURE

[somber storm]

Dinosaur laser fight

[crystal arrow]

My prediction is that we're going to have a tower in thavnair as a dungeon (given the matanga in the walls) and the magus' sisters will be their primal and the final boss of the dungeon

[severe brook]

yeah that also feels possible if it's not building up to Anima
i guess i'm just thrown off by how there's already a Thavnair dungeon, and by just how big the Matanga Tower is

[open verge]

Deep dungeon sucks.

[crystal arrow]

I mean, we don't know what the scale of the towers is - we haven't gotten really close to them

also it's not really a thavnair-style dungeon like the other one we saw

[severe brook]

i mean the Matanga are in it, and from Thavnair

[crystal arrow]

yes but very different aesthetics.

[severe brook]

and presumably the place that Fordola and Arenvald were in was near the center of the Paglth'an tower. and while it's a different Tower, that's probably where that concept art is set too, and it's much more open

[crystal arrow]

It's the center, sure, but we have no clue how large the towers are. It doesn't tell us how many flesh corridors they ran down to get to that control room.

[severe brook]

fair

[torpid yoke]

https://twitter.com/OttarAtorra/status/1385345866903527428?s=20

Ottar | SCREAM IN 5.5 (@OttarAtorra)

Meanwhile, in front of the Thavnairian Consulate

"LET ME IN!! LET ME IIIIIIIN!"

Twitter · Apr 22, 2021, 9:32 PM

[gaunt star]

God

[somber storm]

Keep catboys out of Thavnair

[visual spade]

Thavnair has strict laws against catboys

[gaunt star]

Hrothgrars falling under Catboy categorisation is not something i expected

[wet crown]

Because they don't.

[late aurora]

Fur + tail = cat, unless it’s a dog

[gaunt star]

I mean..... They kinda are

[somber storm]

They are catmen

[gaunt star]

Yknow what I'll accept that

[wet crown]

You will not demote the cat daddies as boys

[gaunt star]

Okay okay

Hroths falling under Cat category is not something i expected despite it making sense

[kind lark]

they're big cats

[faint dagger]

considering things jobs might get in 6.0, and considering Gaius's new super move

is it me or does gnb's 1-2-3 combo kinda roughly make a 6 pointed star?

[crystal arrow]

just gonna say that gnb is not a garlean job - we could get something like that but it isn't tied into the job's aesthetic/lore

[severe brook]

Crocea Mors is likely to remain a Gaius-specific thing

[bold condor]

Hrothgar Gunbreakers be like: Maybe I'm a lion.

[torpid yoke]

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/412186-Predictions-for-job(s)-in-the-next-expansion/page83

[open verge]

!action six pointed star

[lusty shadow]

Error!

Action not found, Kupo!

[torpid yoke]

listen imma need yall to read some of these

[open verge]

!action six sided star

[lusty shadow]

**Six-sided Star** : lvl 80 MNK (5.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Delivers an attack with a potency of 540.
Additional Effect: Increases movement speed
Duration: 5s
This weaponskill does not share a recast timer with any other actions. Upon execution, the recast timer for this action will be applied to all other weaponskills and magic actions.

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[open verge]

Sorry friend stars with six sides are taken

[faint dagger]

must protest, mnk 6ss is neither sixfold nor a star

[kind lark]

AST's earthly star is more of a star

[oak pike]

First we get gunblades now we get sword with guns

Remember when gaius had the edgy name shadow hunter

[open verge]

Black wolf was even edgier

[oak pike]

It’s on two different parts of the edgy graph, black wolf is cool edgy shadowhunter is the dork edgy

[misty yoke]

Caesar demon fucker is gaius van baelsar translated i think and that was peak

Heres proof https://youtu.be/7AFNJSXtBLw

[gusty quest]

All I take from this is that Gaius fucks demons

[maiden lodge]

'Look, I didn't pick the name, it's just a job description'

[misty yoke]

Like i said proof

[stiff charm]

watch the new job be shadowhunter
it rips out the corrupted aether of enemies and "hunts their shadows" so to speak

[maiden lodge]

does massive damage in e10

[dim sigil]

I mean I guess you can't because MMO but like I miss stupid tricks the boss is like using an Elixir to instantly kill them

[oak pike]

Gets gaius data crystal gaius teach us to be a hunter

[forest magnet]

demon fucker
don't do demons dirty like that they're not like livia

[brazen stag]

Could easily be in a Hildibrand quest or something.

[torpid yoke]

dont let the prediction fourms hear about that. They will go crazy with it

[wet crown]

Then the job would rather use scouting. And Gaius would drop his knock-off gunblade

[torpid yoke]

theory is that he is planning on switching weapons ehva

where he has been hinting this idk

[wet crown]

speaking of scouting

since the devs wanted to have another job use maiming, I guess it's safe to assume one of the 7.0 jobs will use scouting

and since we didn't get a caster in a while, I'd assume that'd also be next

[torpid yoke]

if they do 2 jobs for 7.0 i could see a double dps release again

[wet crown]

and I wouldn't be suprised if Y'shtola ended up using that caster job

[torpid yoke]

one scouting and one caster

[oak pike]

Ninja needs a friend

[pastel coyote]

He already have his clone

[oak pike]

More friends

[wet crown]

Friends to steal his gear pieces?

[torpid yoke]

dragoon needed a friend more than ninjas

[pastel coyote]

Lately the cool glam aren't for drg

[wet crown]

Because DRGs not only steal skills from Nidhogg but also glam from tanks?

No originality, no glamour.

[pastel coyote]

We don't steal skill from Nidhogg, we honor him

[wet crown]

My bad. You will also honor him with the eventual Hot Wing and Hot Tail "tribute" then?

[pastel coyote]

Sorry no parler la langua

[oak pike]

Eating hot wings to honor nidhogg

I wonder if DRG gonna get more holy like abilities in 6.0

[torpid yoke]

nah because dragoon has gone the longest with its own armor set

[wet crown]

FF4-nerding coming in, in 3...2...1...

[torpid yoke]

and before someone says ninja, ninja started with striking gear

[torpid yoke]

wa?

[wet crown]

Not you

[torpid yoke]

oh holy dragoon

i mean it'd make sense. We went from middy to niddy so now we just need hresvelger

[oak pike]

Watch it gets a jump with some weird effect

Like fucking aoe healing when the jump lands

[distant sonnet]

Holy dragoon Kain looks so fucking doofy though.

[wet crown]

That's a onesie

I do not understand FF4 fans

[kind lark]

Looks lika power ranger

[wet crown]

Now, now. No need to be insulting.

[distant sonnet]

Lets get old FF9 unused concept art dragoons.

Back when Zidane and Garnet were both goons

[wet crown]

[severe brook]

we're going to get alternate dante and vergil as more of Gaius' kids

[gusty quest]

Keep them away from the Werlyt kids they're liable to kill them

[oak pike]

I like rain jacket dragoons

[distant sonnet]

Or while I'm spreading unused concept art.. FFX original char concepts.
With Tidus, Yuna and Auron.

[wet crown]

Wow. That's bad.

[severe brook]

auron somehow looks more like tidus than tidus

actually he looks like if jecht resembled tidus more

...maybe Jecht and Auron were one character in whatever original draft had this concept art?

[distant sonnet]

I.. could see that, actually.

Not gonna lie, kinda dig Tiduses stupid shirt.

[severe brook]

yeah, since both are dreams of the Fayth who came from the 'past' and both are father/mentor figures

yeah funnily enough Tidus looks more like a professional athlete in this design

[oak pike]

Auron did teach tidus how to use a sword

Tidus outfit looks like something I’ll wear when I was fit

[severe brook]

poor proto-yuna though

[distant sonnet]

Yeahhhh

[severe brook]

"ARCH MAESTER SEYMOUR HAS DECREED EVERYONE MUST WEAR SILLY FEATHER HATS SO HE LOOKS LESS SILLY IN COMPARISON"

"Why doesn't he just get a haircut?"

"SHUT UP."

[distant sonnet]

Early concept Kimahri tho. And Lulu.

[severe brook]

was he trying to channel Amano's designs for Garland and Xande for Kimahri?

[oak pike]

I remember lulu belt dress was nomura being spiteful at least that’s what I heard

[distant sonnet]

And lastly.. early Sin.

[oak pike]

S̓̇̃ī̎̉n̄̓̔

I remember we almost got glasses balthier

[dim sigil]

Basically ignis tbh

[pastel coyote]

If anything dragoon should be as cool as the divine dragoon from legend of dragoon

[heady shadow]

i mean you still got glasses balthier

[severe brook]

that's just an FF9 enemy
looks like the same vein as Armstrong

[balmy mesa]

Auron looks like he does meth though

but ngl, Tidus is the only one where he looks better

[distant sonnet]

Kimahri looks rad as all hell. And I actually really dig Lulu too, despite... certain.. reductions.

[brazen stag]

... This all looks like Phantasy Star

[distant sonnet]

Ya think? =p

[dim sigil]

I get dragon quest vibes

[unreal rivet]

did they tinker on the odds for a celestial kimono remnant to drop? partially it got way cheaper now

[iron scaffold]

Is that a fork?

Anyone submitted questions to yoshi-p yet?

[gaunt star]

Yoship when are we getting a wizard 101 crossover

[topaz river]

Finally the real question we need to ask

[inner kite]

Nope don't think so. Yeah I too noticed it got cheaper

[iron scaffold]

Would rather have gaia online or toontown cross over over wizard101

[clever flume]

An issue in the trial the Minstrel's Ballad: Tsukuyomi's Pain wherein the item Celestial Kimono Remnant was not subject to loot rules.

so it should be dropping in the chest now rather than straight to someone's inventory

[brisk quail]

When toontown crossover

[prisma vine]

probs cheaper bc people are farming for the moon wall thing instead of that. more total runs being done and its less big-ticket since it can be rolled on

[gaunt star]

I wish Hannish Wool would get cheaper =_=

[wet crown]

Don't worry. Plenty of sheep and foliage will burn during the Final Days v.2

No one will notice when you take a bit of inventory

[brazen stag]

A finger on the dried Opo Opo's paw curls into a twisted gnurl

It is granted.

[forest magnet]

I am almost certain that the two big reveals of 5.55 will be:
Venat
The twins' dad (who has the Nouliths for Alphinaud)

[gaunt star]

Alphy will get whisked off to the forum and return as a Sage with the biggest DPS in the game

[tight marlin]

Sage with more than 5 attacks
Every healer: look at me. I'm the dps now

[forest magnet]

I am also like at least 80% sure that there won't be anything big from Zenos/Fanny camp apart from Zenos swinging his scythe around and saying some horny words.

Which like, he's been saying horny words for the past 4 years so that won't be anything new

[wet crown]

Fartknuckle isn't even a big reveal. We know what he looks like.

[forest magnet]

Venat's not necessarily a big reveal either the the fact the trailer fucking showed it is so dumb

[heady shadow]

thats IF its venat

[forest magnet]

And if you piece the "well Hydaelyn hasn't been speaking to you a lot" bit with that scene. It virtually confirms it.

[wet crown]

Yeah, well...Sadly, Japanese story telling is more about the how than the what

[gaunt star]

We kill Zenos again, he goes to the livestream and begins messing things up there, eventually becomes Sephiroth and calls the moon down as a Meteor to absorb Zodiark

[forest magnet]

It's better than 2.5 where it literally shows the cup Nanamo gets poisoned with 🙄

[wet crown]

Remember the 3.5 title?

[forest magnet]

well that was after the fact

there was also the fuckin ardbert minion

[heady shadow]

rip people who watched the HW trailer before getting to 2.5

[forest magnet]

not to mention 4.55 which was spoiled literally 3 days before

and the "how" was fem-cat-simp-boi cockblocking us from our fight with Elidibus/Zenos

[teal geyser]

This is why you just shouldn't watch trailers

[tight marlin]

Funny how elidizenos fight is just Ala Mhigo Extreme with the exaflares and added aoes

[gaunt star]

^

[teal geyser]

Just saying

[gaunt star]

Honestly I expected more magic from eli-zenos

[tight marlin]

6.0 trailer
Literally shows Arenvald dead body or something

[forest magnet]

wait what

[tight marlin]

Extra lightning extra wind extra sword extra aoes extra magic
What did u want from him
He even had Nabby's End of Days move :uwucarby:

[gaunt star]

Hes not dead, just mortally challenged

[brisk quail]

Exaflares. Truly hard mechanics

Just add exaflares and it's Extreme content

[tight marlin]

Duh. Exaflare is when u know its serious
We dont need no cheap flares

[brisk quail]

Cape Westwind Extreme

The same fight. Same Hp. But with Exaflares

[gaunt star]

Where were his L E Y L I N E S

[tight marlin]

Elidizenos isnt a BLM
Ask some garlean fucker mage to do the job instead

[wet crown]

Cape Westwind Unreal

[tight marlin]

Remember when we had to fight Ardy in 5.3 and he used earthy exaflares
That's the extreme version of the 3.4 warriors of darkness fight

[brisk quail]

[tight marlin]

Actually ardy also used spinny rotation mechanic and giant cone aoes

So it was Warriors of Darkness savage

[gaunt star]

[severe brook]

catch me enjoying the anticipation for what comes next that i can only get from watching trailers

[subtle pasture]

Did Elidibert use exaflares or was it the, like, earthern rings

-which I guess they did make exaflare-like with like-- oh Lyon was 5.3 too, huh

earth ring aoes + trailing rock pillars or what-have-you

[placid sail]

I found a new secret mechanic in The Tower at Paradigm's Breach where if you try to queue up for it your power goes out

[subtle pasture]

Taro would,

[placid sail]

Yoko Taro broke into my house and flipped my ground fault circuit breaker

like, not even one of the smaller circuit breakers, literally the ground fault circuit breaker

something must've caused a massive power surge to make that happen

[prisma vine]

mobile ein-whatever from seph? lol

[subtle pasture]

Ein Sohfs didn't track like exaflares iirc, was just your typical aoe-paint-when-the-cast-ends

I can't think of their use before Lyon's Art of War but that's just from doin' CLL 30+ times

[maiden lodge]

Einsofs are more about dropping and expanding

[subtle pasture]

Oh, right, the green puddles. What am I thinkin'...

Yesod was the aoe paint, a'ight

[maiden lodge]

Then there's the Hades variant where you drop puddles as you move move

[prisma vine]

I meant that its like...it visually LOOKS like if ein sohf chased you to me lol

or was that yesod i thought yesod was the green

[subtle pasture]

Oh, nah, I meant like the usual pulsing rock aoe, Mudman does it after every ball set in Relict

OH, I thought you meant Ein Sofs were the part where the floor flashes and you need to move bc it left aoes- which is Yesod orz

[torpid yoke]

ok but where's Aur?

[subtle pasture]

Ein Sohf Ohr is his ultimate

[brisk quail]

Exa-Quakes

[subtle pasture]

Yeah I guess Lyon and Ardbert's rings do start with the quake marker,

[torpid yoke]

I only know Ain Soph Aur

[subtle pasture]

Always impressive to see how they evolve and reuse markers across the game's evolution,

[maiden lodge]

Qaballic references intensify

[subtle pasture]

--when they gonna bring back the stack + gaze from Diabolos Hollow

[maiden lodge]

I just want to hear Jessie panic that it's Shriek.

[subtle pasture]

how to strike fear in a player's heart: limit cut numbers

[torpid yoke]

sadly

[brisk quail]

Why not...

1. Limit Cut Numbers
2. Light Rampant
3. Grand Cross Debuffs

Just all three at once... in a mechanic called..

fuck you

Feat. Exaflares

[slate ridge]

apparently the level 80 summoner quest is adjusted because one of the people you talked to is arnevald and as of 5.5, he's incapacitated. if he turns out fine will the 80 quest return to normal?

[teal geyser]

Maybe? Can always just NG+ back in time and do the job quest. I assume that'd work

[slate ridge]

which is weird because i head you can have nanamo in the cutscene for lvl 50 culinarian even if you already reached 2.5-3.0 where nanamo is supposedly dead

[teal geyser]

Well sure but that's dumb. Of course they'd do their best to try to avoid things like that as much as possible

[pine epoch]

what changed is it still plays out the same

What changed is that there would of been 2 arenvalds in Rhalgers Reach

so instead of it being Speak to Arvenvald. When you have that quest unlocked its Wait for arenvald now

[placid sail]

Akh Morn

[mighty light]

What why did the fix that
That's a disgrace

[rough kestrel]

It's a sign she isnt dead because god forbid they let ARR be genuinely compelling.

Can't have that.

I wanted the version of HW where we just keep hearing how Ul'dah has imploded while we're off not giving a fuck about it.

Instead of the version where everytime I'm getting into enjoying HW, ARR rears its fucking head and drags me out the Ishgard gates screaming.
https://media.tenor.com/images/0cc6f247aa6d9ca298a7fb614d830926/tenor.gif

[torpid yoke]

O.o

[forest magnet]

what do u mean

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, SMN 80 edit removed Arenvald as quest objectives in the overworld so you interact with something else to go into the cutscenes

Even added a new bubble for him in RR where he also says to wait by the crystal, if he is present for your phase

[deft burrow]

I wonder how they'll approach the SMN rework in 6.0 that they said they'd be doing

To change up how the rotation works and stuff

[gaunt star]

Ez, they delete summoner

[torpid yoke]

They do that every expansion. Smn mains are used to it at this point

[gaunt star]

SHB made the rotation a little better, but it's still a 2 minute rotation

[heady shadow]

i mean if they cut off too much wont people complain it's too easy?

[tulip geyser]

People will always complain tho

[forest magnet]

Warrior

[gaunt star]

"It's too hard"
"It's too easy!"
"It's hard to manage my dots!"
"It's hard to manage my pet and my own rotation!"

[forest magnet]

technically speaking a lot of jobs have a 3 minute rotation because they have 90 second cd and it all comes back up every 3 minutes

[gaunt star]

Fair

I still remember the pain as smn when you would die with 1 stack of dreamwyrm aether and you were about to get 2

[deft burrow]

its like dying with open eye for dragoon

[gaunt star]

Dragoons are used to dying

[deft burrow]

[gaunt star]

I actually wanna get better with dragoon, it looks hella fun

[deft burrow]

It is. It's the most fun melee imo. I main it after all, to me SAM is too boring, NIN is too reliant on Trick Attack and is a shadow of its Heavensward self, and MNK is nice but just not my cup of tea.

[forest magnet]

ninja is about as reliant on trick as much as any other job when it comes to their burst

[deft burrow]

ehhh

[forest magnet]

ever since they nerfed it.

drg is definitely the easiest melee to play its rotation is on rails

[vital topaz]

Do the Lunar Primals take inspiration from both FF4 TAY and the Dark Aeons from FF10?

[deft burrow]

Its easy, wouldn't say easiest, and its hard to master

SAM is probably the easiest

Doesn't have to worry at all about buff alignments

[heady shadow]

i dont know if dnc has to worry about buff alignments either.

[gaunt star]

I forget SAM has positionals

[deft burrow]

Yeah

All the melees do

[gaunt star]

I feel like with SAM if you miss them it's not a huge loss compared to the others, but I dont play SAM

[forest magnet]

DRG has the biggest penalty for missing a positional

[deft burrow]

Yep

[forest magnet]

becuase you're just locked out of part of your rotation

[deft burrow]

You lose Raiden Thrust

[forest magnet]

Ninja used to have the worst pre-rework since you'd straight up lose trick

[gaunt star]

Such a cool name

[forest magnet]

DRG has some oddly weeb elements to it

[gaunt star]

Although couldn't you true north trick attack?

[forest magnet]

Like the cherry petals in one of its actions.
Or Raiden thrust

[gaunt star]

Am probably mistaken tho

[forest magnet]

True North used to be on 90 sec cd

[deft burrow]

Eh yeah

[gaunt star]

But if you used true north could you bypass the needing to be behind the boss thing? Or would that not work

[deft burrow]

DRG will probably see a buff to Stardiver and Dragonfire Dive for some of its adjustments going to lvl 90 in the form of traits

[gaunt star]

Ala Morn and Drachenlance I bet

[deft burrow]

Maybe Blood of the Dragon affecting Dragonfire Dive for a 30% potency increase

Easy change to do

[forest magnet]

probably some QOL concering their buff refreshing

[deft burrow]

Yep aoe will give buff refreshing

They might increase the duration of Chaos Thrust DOT so it doesn't fall off all the time while you're doing the animation to reapply

[gaunt star]

As a drg it's almost impossible to lose BOD now, but it can still happen

[deft burrow]

I am expecting some kind of Nidhogg-Estinien type form or something to be added on top of Life of the Dragon

[gaunt star]

Holy dragoon

[tropic frigate]

melees desparately needed aoe buffs and for it to not cost TP

[deft burrow]

All melees have their aoe rotation refresh buffs except drg

Kinda wacky

But as for aoe buffs I think there may be another ability added for most classes

[brisk quail]

PLD 3 combo AoE?

Mainly cuz burning a whole ass requiscast for AoE is not good

[deft burrow]

Maybe

Gnb has 3 already

[brisk quail]

War has a 2 combo and a AoE burn

[prisma vine]

riding maps for bozja aren't out yet right? or an equiv? friend says he saw the moogle 2-seater going REALLY fast and wasn't sure why

[brisk quail]

They are

[torpid yoke]

they are

[clever flume]

50 clusters

[prisma vine]

tyty!

[clever flume]

er 25

[brisk quail]

Wait

Wouldn't that mean Fenrir would get a speed boost then?

If you don't have map

[clever flume]

yeah should

[brisk quail]

Sweet. No farming clusters for me

[torpid yoke]

it does

[brisk quail]

Fuck farming clusters. Shit sucks. (And drains my bloodsucker essences)

[torpid yoke]

i mean just get a party and split up cluster farming

or use a healer

[prisma vine]

is it 2 maps to buy or just one?

[clever flume]

just one

[prisma vine]

sweet

[wary perch]

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[heady spear]

Wtf

[kind lark]

Junkheaven

[balmy mesa]

Is that... VvV??

[tropic frigate]

looks so

[kindred rampart]

Use our mech to give him another squeeze and fling him back to heaven

[misty yoke]

Cursed

To think someone spent 10dollars on a fantasia to look like VvV

[wary perch]

@misty yoke that's a mod

[misty yoke]

Well thats debatably worse

[wet crown]

What's the estimated date for 5.55 again?

[lucid geode]

late may/early june

[wary perch]

Probably 10days after the pll

[somber storm]

HeaVvVen

[wet crown]

No.

[teal geyser]

It's shockingly good

[kind lark]

Have you ever seen wol and Valens in the same room? thought so, they're the same person

[dusk drift]

oh shit we never actually see VvV in person

the WoL is never physically on screen at the same time as 3v

[rough kestrel]

I legit was mildly suspicious that the Twins may not be real.

[forest magnet]

real as in...

[rough kestrel]

Because they've never been shown in CG until Endwalker.

So it was funny to me they were like half of the teaser.

[tropic frigate]

honestly hoping to see estinien as well in the trailer

considering the extension to trusts he must have a bigger role too

[rough kestrel]

But before that I was like "There's some shit afoot, they were with us from the start, they came from nowhere, they're somehow special and tied to us and probably aren't real, despite their seeming prevalence in the story"

[late aurora]

WoL, the car crash wasn’t your fault. You have to let us go

[rough kestrel]

Ever since the DRK Storyline, I don't trust anything in XIV

[forest magnet]

Yes our figment of our imagination set up an army who betrayed us

[rough kestrel]

Well, I thought it was either some great big trick being played on the player, or like a thing where we find out they are somehow part of the WoL like Fray and that kid.

Thats what I meant by "Not real"

I'm not saying it was a reasonable suspicion. I just thought it was weird given they are basically the protagonists of XIV, that we never saw them in CG trailers.

[gaunt star]

My moneys on patch 5.55being may 23rd or thereabouts

[balmy mesa]

25th

[rough kestrel]

6 weeks, it'll be about whenever the Nier weeklies end.

That's my guess

[balmy mesa]

well, normally they do a patch drop 10 days (give or take) after a PLL

and there is a PLL on the second day of Fanfest

[gaunt star]

25th* thanks

Since the week after is 1st june

[balmy mesa]

HW was six weeks between 3.5 and 3.55 (3.51 didn't add more MSQ - there were a buttload of bugfixes and currency adjustments)
SB had five weeks between 4.5 and 4.55, but they had a slightly different patching schedule

[rough kestrel]

I just want Fanfest to be a 14 hour playthrough of Yoshi playing Endwalker solo

[somber storm]

Nah it's gonna be Yoshi playing FF4

full 100% playthrough

[balmy mesa]

or Yoshi playing FFX and FF4 at the same time

[next quarry]

With soken playing 9

[somber storm]

Surprise guest Nomura playing 7

[distant sonnet]

Soken just listening to a 10 hour youtube video of You're Not Alone

[balmy mesa]

with a series of concept art showing what they've done with the belts

[tropic frigate]

i need fanfest so i can regenerate my hype

[wary perch]

@rough kestrel the twin may not be real if it's written by Yoko taro lol

https://tenor.com/view/nier-automata-you-know-it-yoko-taro-gif-15406783

[distant sonnet]

Not hackish enough.

The twins were real, you never were.

[wet crown]

there was only so much Yoko Taro could do

[forest magnet]

looks at the Nier "story"

[wary perch]

The nier story in 14 is that there is no nier story

[rough kestrel]

Yeah the Twins are the real protags and you are just... not actually real

||A primal||

[distant sonnet]

Nier Rabbit hole So the story is about the inherent futility of storytelling. To tell a story is to deny reality, and only by rejecting story can we be free. Holy shit its so deep.

[rough kestrel]

I mean, I think ultimately he just likes writing shit and probably doesn't really consider if it's good or not, sometimes its great, sometimes it's infuriating.

[distant sonnet]

Yea. I actually like it a lot when it hits.

[rough kestrel]

Yoko Taro to me is like Kojima, sometimes you get masterful shit, other times you get "Mario and Princess Beach"

And I'm alright with that

[distant sonnet]

Well. I think he probably does care about it being good. I just don't think he cares about it actually connecting to anything or building a larger, grander narrative.

Which again, is fine. Different styles.

[torpid yoke]

insert image here

[rough kestrel]

He said once he doesn't actually remember Drakengard

Which makes me laugh

[drowsy belfry]

I'll insert your image here

[torpid yoke]

i mean i can post the actual image if you'd like

[rough kestrel]

It came up in the context of someone writing a Drakengard Manga and him advising on it going "It's good for me because it's somebody else doing it, I dont remember Drakengard and they do"

[drowsy belfry]

There it is

[distant sonnet]

Its like.. Steven King. A lot of his stuff is directly tied in with the Dark Tower, so it appears to be a huge connected narrative. But a lot of it is just.. the same guy writing about the same shit so it appears to be the same. The grand theories about how whatever is going on in The Shining is the same kind of entity in IT is the same kind of thing from The Outsider, etc, etc.

When in reality a lot of it is probably just.. this one guy writes monsters like this because he thinks thats cool.

[rough kestrel]

That stuff is fun to theorize about though

[distant sonnet]

Oh for sure.

[rough kestrel]

Unless you're Bioware and you actively deny fans the ending they came up with to justify your absolute fucking garbage, because of pride.

[forest magnet]

green/red/blue button

[rough kestrel]

"The indoctrination theory makes everything flow so much better" Bioware: NAH

Also Bioware: Here is Andromeda

[distant sonnet]

But with 14, we HAVE a grand connecting narrative where everything tries to fit

[signal solar]

red button cannonical

green button best ending

[distant sonnet]

Which makes Nier's inclusion feel like "Hey, corporate says do this."

[rough kestrel]

As far as I know it was Yoshi bringing Yoko in and Yoko being like "But why"

[distant sonnet]

Haha.

[rough kestrel]

Atleast thats what they talk about in the Behind The Scenes SHB stuff

[drowsy belfry]

Wait the Red Button ending is canon?

[signal solar]

probably

[distant sonnet]

Well, fair enough then.

[forest magnet]

Like, a lot of the neir collab is "I saw that and I clapped" (if u played nier/drakengard)
Which tbf that applies to a lot of shit in XIV too (SoS)

[signal solar]

red or blue

red is the only button that has a chance of shepard living

[drowsy belfry]

Like I remember the Indoctrination theory from way back when and it was super good

[viscid monolith]

It does feel very corporate. Does Yoshida even like Nier games? Has he ever talked about it the same way he talks about FF3 or Matsuno?

[rough kestrel]

So between those interviews I am convinced there is more, maybe not alot more but I don't think we're just not getting no explanation.

[distant sonnet]

Unless they add more in the next patch, I wouldn't get your hopes up for the weeklies. >.>

[rough kestrel]

I've already read through them

[distant sonnet]

Ah, good.

[viscid monolith]

Someone datamined all the weekly messages?

[rough kestrel]

||It ends on what feels like a cliffhanger, or a build up to another conclusion||

[forest magnet]

i feel like a lot of people are just "lol Yoko Taro so quirky XD"

[distant sonnet]

Sure did.

[rough kestrel]

They're in Garland

[viscid monolith]

After the 2nd week being more nothing I lost hope

[forest magnet]

there were 3 repeatable weekly quests though right listed in the patch notes?

[distant sonnet]

Yep.

[forest magnet]

so far there's only 1

[distant sonnet]

But as far as the journal entries go, its nothing of consequence. Maybe after you have all the journal entries something else happens?

[rough kestrel]

There is what seemed to be 6 weeks worth, which is why I think we're getting an update in .55

[forest magnet]

is it really just "walk through the raid pick up 3 things come back and read a letter"

[rough kestrel]

||Because they end once you finish fixing up the village, but you have people acting possessed and Konogg still sending you shit||

[distant sonnet]

So far, yep

[forest magnet]

at least beast tribes and weekly collectibles have rewards...

[torpid yoke]

nier has been the only 24 man to get updates between patches

[forest magnet]

and we know there isn't any big reward at the end because if there was there'd be datamines to show for it, like an emil head or a pod mount

and why the hell isn't there a pod mount they've already animated it

[distant sonnet]

Pod mount, flight unit mount, Emil head, the weapons..

[rough kestrel]

I mean the zadnor shit isnt until .55 and that data isn't in 5.5 so...

[forest magnet]

the flight mount unit u can get from bozja /s

[rough kestrel]

I don't know why something that may not bear fruit until .55 would automatically be datamined in 5.5

[distant sonnet]

I know these were unrelated, but still.

Even with it being unofficial I feel robbed. 😛

[rough kestrel]

Like the tone as far as I read ||That shit didn't end with, welp we'll never know, bye bye. It ends with "Well we fixed the village but... shit's starting to get weird"||

[distant sonnet]

I'd agree, yeah.

[rough kestrel]

If they were done they'd just send you off

[distant sonnet]

Hopefully theres more. I wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't, is all.

[rough kestrel]

That would be weird to me though, like XIV hasn't answered everything, but you usually know if you arent getting an answer to something anytime soon.

At the very least, I think we're going to meet Konogg again or find out he died

[distant sonnet]

And the weekly quest being called "All that grinds" does lead me to believe it'll get somehwere. After a grind.

[rough kestrel]

I understand people being ready to write it off, and I don't know if there is going to be much more, but I just don't get the impression it's finished yet.

There is also that comment in the live letter where they talked about going crazy with the content for Nier, which maybe they meant the raid, but spectacle asides it didn't really do anything that hasn't been done in an AR before, if anything it's probably way easier than say, Orbonne.

[forest magnet]

"you have to do the weekly quests to get the full story" is not good design. Just saying.

[distant sonnet]

I fairly highly doubt it'll be like Ivalice and have continuations in the next expacs too.

[forest magnet]

especially if it's locked behind 6+ weeks

[distant sonnet]

Yeah, but this is one place where Yoko Taro'ism comes in strong: Fuck MMO design I do what I want

[rough kestrel]

||In before in NG+ the dead end paths between fights in Paradigm lead to other fights like some Delubrum shit||

[torpid yoke]

doing stuff weekly is literally ff14's design

[crystal arrow]

dunno why people are acting like weekly quests are so anti-mmo lmfao

[forest magnet]

Well this would mean Nier's story would take longer to complete than the custom deliveries or beast tribe stories, which are the only other two things that have story locked behind weekly progression

and at least those give you meaningful rewards each week

not a vague letter.

[crystal arrow]

oh no! you have to do a 5 minute long quest every week for 6 weeks. the horrror

[rough kestrel]

Out of curiosity, are there non blue repeatable quest markers?

Or are all repeatable quests always blue

[crystal arrow]

meme on this all you want, but as a dark souls fan I can see how they're kinda slowly leading us along to some conclusion that may help to explain what happened - konogg seems to suggest that there are other seeds out there, or something

[torpid yoke]

some arnt blue

[rough kestrel]

I think the ARR beast tribe ones arent blue

But the Nier ones are blue, so that would mean at some point some sort of reward unlocks from this in the future.

[crystal arrow]

^ exactly, it has to be some sort of content - be it a title, a glam, or something

[torpid yoke]

Better question is, If this wasnt nier and you liked the story from the get go, Would you be upset about the story continuing like this in weekly quests?

[rough kestrel]

Not really, I probably wouldn't do them

[torpid yoke]

why

[rough kestrel]

Well if it was weekly Ivalice quests, I have no attachment to Ivalice

So I'd be less inclined to need to know what it's leading to, I'd just wait and see and then if it's revealed "Yes you get x" then I'd do them if that was something I wanted.

[forest magnet]

right we don't know what the rewards are, so if you're not interested just wait until we know what it is then decide. we have like 6 months until EW anyway

[rough kestrel]

Ethys was struggling with this because he doesnt really like Nier, but he loves Ivalice, and he was trying to reconcile the fact the way he feels about Nier is how some people feel about the Ivalice Raids and thats just funny to me.

"But Ivalice gives you so much lore"

[strange wing]

Oh man, if this weekly questchain ends in "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs" reference I will die.

Ivalice gives you too much lore. Its like an entire MSQ chain almost.

And most of it is just "HEY REMEMBER FFT AND FF12." Which is the Nier raids too, but I actually played those.

[dim sigil]

Nier feels very ff to me this point, i can't see it as separate since 14 is my most interaction

[balmy mesa]

it was a nice way to tie in FF12 and FFT, but also allowed them to set up further bits and pieces related to Dalmasca and other imperial provinces (via StQ etc)
hopefully, Nier gets a similar treatment because right now, if we expected the same to happen as with Ivalice, there's not really much that can be done to tie Nier into FFXIV's canon as it is right now well, feels so alien and standalone, imo

[distant sonnet]

I tell you this much. Nier is responsible for the Collection button

Which is possibly the best addition to 14 and I hope they make much, much more use of it in the future.

[crystal arrow]

I mean, it kinda is alien and standalone, since it doesn't even happen on the source

[distant sonnet]

Oh. Okay. There is a different weekly quest next week.

Doomsaying had All That Grinds Is Not Gloom. Next weeks shows The Merchant of Komra

[balmy mesa]

what happens if you miss a weekly quest?

[dawn wave]

you die

[balmy mesa]

I'm dead on the inside, does that count?

[dawn wave]

sure that fits in with nier

[balmy mesa]

works ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[somber storm]

that reminds me

[forest magnet]

Bozja has a collection system

Nier also showed how outclassed Soken's soundtrack is

[balmy mesa]

don't you dare

[strange wing]

Hm. Now that I think about it. What if the Nier Weapons turn out to be a relic step in EW?

[forest magnet]

Yeah i fuckin said it

[dawn wave]

i doubt they’d carry the collab thing that far but it would be REALLY nice to see nier weapons

[strange wing]

Since the current relics are so tied into the Ivalice raids I could see it happen.

[balmy mesa]

in one way, yeah
in another, I think they may have weapons that happen to be inspired by nier's style

[forest magnet]

we are undoubtedly getting something Matsuno related in 6.0. Since Gabranth still hasn't shown his pretty face in over 2 years

[torpid yoke]

you take longer to finish the chain is all

[crystal arrow]

nier weapons would be awesome honestly - the fact they didn't give us nier wep glams as like, a "unique" thing for this alliance series is my main disappointment

[forest magnet]

we have yokai weapons

[dawn wave]

yokai weapons are eyesores to me sorry

[somber storm]

If only we have these for Nier weapons

[crystal arrow]

they really are not that great looking, lol

[late aurora]

Emil staff

[balmy mesa]

Bozja/StQ was Matsuno though, afaik

[somber storm]

Emil head when

[forest magnet]

well they're already hinting at several other things for 6.0 in bozja

[balmy mesa]

unless you mean something new in 6.0
in which case I'd be all for that

[crystal arrow]

could totally see that as a reward for the weeklies

[forest magnet]

yes it's new content about that.

though it'd suck if they made bozja mandatory for it.

[somber storm]

Emil head so we can finally rp as Yoko Taro

[balmy mesa]

I don't think they'd make Bozja mandatory

heh... could you imagine if they added a FFT-style minigame in 6.0

[dawn wave]

mandatory bozja for msq is probably too much

[forest magnet]

not msq, just the matsuno content in 6.0

[dawn wave]

ah then probably more likely but bozja is a slog and a half tbh

[torpid yoke]

bozja will probably be madatory

[forest magnet]

getting to Resistance rank 10 should be no biggie....getting a CLL clear though....

[balmy mesa]

CLL's not so bad nowadays

[forest magnet]

it's actually gotten worse for me

before 5.5 it was fine, got clears and stuff. Nowadays both times i've attempted it we wipe at first boss.

[dawn wave]

now it’s somewhat ok, but will it still be when we’re well into 6.0

[crystal arrow]

bozja is easy

[forest magnet]

tell that to my teammates who keep failing lyon

[strange wing]

Is there anyway to delete the semen-car from the Yokai event?

[torpid yoke]

people suck

[forest magnet]

well i'm on crystal so it is what it is

[dawn wave]

if bozja becomes mandatory i assume that means the completion of the whole storyline, which would include CLL, DR and the new content in 5.55?

[torpid yoke]

and CLL is doable with 8 people if they actually have actions... WHICH MOST DONT FOR SOME GOD FORSAKEN REASON

[forest magnet]

i only take death because people complain about it

[torpid yoke]

u dont use an essence?

[forest magnet]

yes that too i thought u meant like actual actions

[strange wing]

Toxic casuals are real and kind of a problem

[dawn wave]

maybe this is something for #rants

[torpid yoke]

n o

[kind lark]

switch casuals with Valens

[drowsy belfry]

Nono Xuan's got a point

Crystal has horrible Lyon groups, like THEEE worst

I had a Castrum where we spend literally 20 minutes of the instance talking about whether we had a Lyon group or not

Obvioulsy we didn't clear

[torpid yoke]

I don't understand

[drowsy belfry]

Dw about it

[torpid yoke]

This is why jobs get homogenized

[somber storm]

Tfw you couldn't organise Lyon group sometimes because of language barriers

[drowsy belfry]

EU DC problems

[torpid yoke]

And also why I lost bow mage and gun mage >:/

[crystal arrow]

can confirm, had a run where we wiped once to lyon, second time another dude was like "y'all suck" and made his own group which also wiped and then I think I just left

first dude blamed the wipe on "people that weren't supposed to go lyon went lyon"

[gaunt star]

🥴
Lyon parties have been fine on the most part. The only issues ive had over the last few months are.ppl who steal.spots and then you die because no healer or something

Otherwise if you dont want shitters make your own lyon party

[random ravine]

what do you mean?

[gaunt star]

I wonder what the split bosses will be for Zadnor this time around

[forest magnet]

woo hoo more CLL shenanigans

[severe brook]

So this is somewhat interesting

Believed to have been absorbed into the Diamond Weapon, this plate-clad being answers the call of a horn imbued with the power of an unknown primal, the summoner of whom is believed to have been a member of the Corvosian resistance.
Since it means that Diamond would have been used at least once before we saw it being piloted with Allie and Alfonse, but also as to what exactly that Primal it absorbed was.
Because, hear me out, I have a theory as to which one it may have been.
What if it was Shinryu? Not as powerful as the first one Ilberd summoned, what with lacking the Eyes, but perhaps a lesser recreation summoned because of its nature of hating the Empire. It'd explain Diamond's resemblance to it.

[bold condor]

It wasn't Shinryu.

And the armoring of the weapons has no known relation to the primals they absorb. It's not like we ever see one do it, and the ones we see before deployment are the same as they are after.

Also, why would anyone in Corvos even know of Shinryu?

Shinryu was a brand new primal that appeared only once over the outlands of Gyr Abania and got captured shortly after.

It only appeared after that at Ala Mhigo when we fought Zenos, and was promptly destroyed.

[teal geyser]

It could only be Shinryu so far as the Doman myth ye

[bold condor]

Corvos is not Doma.

[crystal arrow]

shinryu doesn't even really match the aesthetic of diamond, either - to me this sounds like it could've been a primal of the twelve, or maybe some other corvosian figure of myth

[teal geyser]

Yes, which makes it more dumb Rommy

[bold condor]

And that line's not even in the Japanese version.

Anyway, the odds of anyone in Corvos having the knowledge and will to summon Shinryu (a creature that was basically the result of Ilberd going "bigger than Bahamut pls") is minimal.

[crystal arrow]

tbh, I did enjoy the weapons and all but I feel like it was a missed opportunity to not include some primal stuff - then again we don't know what was the auracite/combat data and what was from the primal

[bold condor]

tbh it's fine they didn't list which primals

[crystal arrow]

well not that, I mean that I wish it was incorporated into the fight somehow :p

[bold condor]

I mean, their abilities are apparently taken from them if that helps.

[torpid yoke]

Surprised you just posted that today instead of after state of the realm

[crystal arrow]

because to me it just sounds like a lot of them are just "juiced" on primals, as a lot of their attacks are somewhat reminiscent of the combat data they were using

[bold condor]

But two reasons. 1. Potentially, having primals absorbed in that fashion could preclude them showing them in-game later. 2. If they named them and then we never saw them, we'd never shut up about it until they did show up.

[severe brook]

state of the realm was where i got the initial idea
in terms of how they could have known about the primal Shinryu, my thought was that news of it may have spread post-Baelsar's Wall and Ala Mhigo's Liberation

[teal geyser]

2. If they named them and then we never saw them, we'd never shut up about it until they did show up.
   Yeahhhhhhh

[heady shadow]

call of a Horn?
so..... Travechet?
XD

[severe brook]

multiple eyes, fangs sculpted as part of the jaws, organic yet artificial looking forms all over its body, a long, thin tail-like structure that emerges from the rear

[teal geyser]

All horns are now Travechet plots

[heady shadow]

at least one

[teal geyser]

I mean, that's just designed like that because "haha Zenos"

[crystal arrow]

as for #2, I wish they did the opposite - have them not be named but we see one of their signature moves

I can tell some apart from the combat data but emerald and diamond it seems... more difficult

[severe brook]

i mean, Ultima Weapon never cast Hellfire, Earthen Fury, or Aerial Blast

[crystal arrow]

then again we also don't fully know how ruby was going to work because the oversoul malfunctioned, and sapphire wasn't functional at all

[severe brook]

the Weapons aren't Lucavi of the Primals absorbed, they just take influence from them/are using them as fuel

[crystal arrow]

It casts spikes, the puddles, eruptions, and garuda abilities - and they are all obviously from those particular primals

[teal geyser]

^ it didn't do signature moves but it did do obvious primal moves

[severe brook]

you said signature moves

the Weapons had other Primal stuff, yeah, like Ruby's Claws

I would presume that since Diamond used Sapphire's big laser and Emerald's laser barrage in the same fashion as Ruby's claws, that those were derived from the consumed Primals too

[crystal arrow]

signature moves includes "anything belonging to that particular primal" in my mind

[severe brook]

ah, i see. i thought you meant like how Hellfire is Ifrit's "thing"

[teal geyser]

"Unique" would be better

[crystal arrow]

yeah that's more apt, brain's a bit foggy today

and I mean... you could say the lasers, sure I guess, but that's a super common thing in garlean weaponry and could just be that and not from the primals

[severe brook]

perhaps the Weapons are designed to break those primal techniques down to their essential concepts, so that the primals would be better controlled and there'd be no chance of them breaking out like what happened with Ultima

[teal geyser]

But they broke out because of Hydaelyn

[severe brook]

they did, but if the Weapons are improvements they may have wanted to be no chance of a breakout whatsoever

[teal geyser]

Not sure if it's something they'd ever have to fix for such a unique problem

[crystal arrow]

my point is is that it's much harder to tell that the 4 weapons actually ate primals, unlike ultima, and I think that's a bit of a let down - I understand the emphasis was more on the auracite but still

also I totally forgot that they had eaten primals until diamond released

[severe brook]

"Well, good thing the Primals are completely broken down and assimilated. Nothing else to worry about in this project devlopment!"
Screaming from inside the Ruby Weapon Test Cockpit
"Nope, nothing else to worry about!"

[crystal arrow]

also like... they had eaten primals, and they were clearly kinda powerful, are we not at all concerned about those primals now? :p

[heady shadow]

pop

[teal geyser]

We can't be concerned about every primal in the world

[torpid yoke]

Belias makes sense for the primal to be fair

[severe brook]

that's what Arenvald and Fordola are for...wait

[heady shadow]

too soon

[teal geyser]

Aren who?

[potent marsh]

imagine us getting like 5th version of ifrit, titan and garuda

maybe they might just be relgated to dungeon fights

[crystal arrow]

okay, fair

[severe brook]

i'm not entirely certain if i agree with Ethys' idea that Diamond had consumed a summoned iteration of Belias, and that's why its transformed state resembles Ifrit.
after all, Sapphire has Zurvan's skeleton but didn't absorb Zurvan.

[potent marsh]

since they're weaker incarnations

[severe brook]

though maybe a fully functional Sapphire could channel Zurvan because Regula was exposed to his aether some idk

[teal geyser]

Chaos is Sephirot

[maiden lodge]

What isn't sephirot these days

[severe brook]

because A) Belias is a Lucavi, not a Primal, and so far we have no indication of Ultima-Auracite needing to absorb primals to work first like that of the Thirteenth.
and B) while their Egis look almost identical, Belias does not really resemble Ifrit at all

[crystal arrow]

I mean... honestly I'd like to think it's a primal of a corvosian god instead of belias

[dim sigil]

Sephiroth

[teal geyser]

Not the beginning and the end for sure

[teal geyser]

Actually no to be fair here Belias is also a primal seemingly since there is a belias egi from the level 50 SMN quest

[severe brook]

"Give us Fully Functional Sapphire for Weapons Ultimate in five years"

[maiden lodge]

The existance of a Belias-egi implies the existance of something that was killed named Belias. Because there's a dead belias out there, but it's not Belias the Gigas, that implies there's a Belias primal that was killed.

[teal geyser]

That belias thing is kinda a weird thing in lore of like, them clearly not knowing what they planned at all

[dim sigil]

Now that I have it the diamond weapon weapons aren't actually that ugly

[teal geyser]

They do tho

[dim sigil]

I like my katana

[severe brook]

Belias in Ridorana summons its own Belias-Egis though, though they're called Gigases

[torpid yoke]

Exact same thought as ethys

[maiden lodge]

They're not egis then.

[teal geyser]

Well yeah Ethys just isn't wrong there, his idea of Belias being the primal it ate though is kinda ridiculous in it's speculation though Nyommi

[maiden lodge]

Egis require something to die to be based off of. It doesn't -have- to be a primal, but it usually is.

[severe brook]

well that's the third thing, Dalmasca is on the far side from Corvos

so them getting Belias is also weird from the distance factor

[crystal arrow]

? dalmasca is south of corvos, and bozja is between the two, they're not extremely far apart

[teal geyser]

^ also Belias would have been ancient Ivalice which might not have had the same borders as modern Dalmasca

[maiden lodge]

Also Belias isn't in Dalmasca.

It's in Goug, which is in sea, off the map.

[crystal arrow]

yes he is, ridorana is a part of dalmasca

[maiden lodge]

Ridorana is in the heckin sea, south of Othard. Dalmasca is not in the heckin sea, south of Othard.

[crystal arrow]

and for all we know ivalice could've controlled that entire part of ilsabard at it's peak, afaik, so there could be remnants of it there

[severe brook]

image evidence of Gigases so i don't sound insane

[torpid yoke]

This reminds me of sephirot and his belas which reminds me of smn 60-70 which reminds me that it's a shame no Sophia and zurvan egi

[maiden lodge]

The Cataract is not in Dalmasca, it's in the Valnard Sea south of it.

[teal geyser]

Tbh wouldn't be surprised if Belias wasn't there for all that time. The lorebook suggests Argath might have been put in Dalmasca due to a "higher will" and Belias could have been the same

How did he get to the lighthouse? "Fuck you that's how"

[crystal arrow]

I'm not doing this again, dude.

[maiden lodge]

Not my problem. It's in the Valnard Sea. it's not in Dalmasca.

[torpid yoke]

Also sephirots egi things is evidence against this thought process kinda

[maiden lodge]

South of Rabanastre, in a remote corner of the Valnard Sea gapes a fathomless maw that, for centuries, has slowly devoured the world around it: Ridorana. Whether you believe the cataract natureal wonder or demon-torn gate to the very underworld, journeys to her edge should be made with that utmost caution, seeing as none who have stumbled into the darkness have ever returned to tell their tale. An ancient spire once used by the Dalmascans as a lighthouse rises defiantly above the churning waters to warn forethoughtful and foolhardy alike. It is into this spire that the transformed Ba'Gamnan has fled. It is into this hell that you must follow.

[crystal arrow]

An ancient spire once used by the **Dalmascans **as a lighthouse rises defiantly above the churning waters to warn forethoughtful and foolhardy alike. It is into this spire that the transformed Ba'Gamnan has fled. It is into this hell that you must follow.

[gaunt star]

Want to do ARR raids but nobody is signing up. Any solution?

[crystal arrow]

And it says it's south of rabanastre, which could be a lot of places.

[gaunt star]

oops wrong channel

[maiden lodge]

Yes, it's south of rabanastre.

IN THE FUCKING OCEAN

!faq map

[lusty shadow]

FAQ Listing

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[maiden lodge]

!faq worldmap

[lusty shadow]

Hydaelyn world map translated by Rommy 🌎

Image URL: https://i.imgur.com/JTbvskE.jpg

[torpid yoke]

Why the fck can't we use the sephirot egi at least man >:/

[severe brook]

oh corvos is in the southeast
for some reason i was thinking it was below werlyt but in hindsight that makes no sense

gives us Corvosian Squid People in 6.0

[maiden lodge]

The Valnard Sea is not on the world map we have. It's to the south of Othard.

Dalmasca doesn't extend past the continent.

[torpid yoke]

I wanna go to corvos

[severe brook]

they could very well have it be part of the Thavnair Zone

[torpid yoke]

Also corvos seems like a primal breeding grounds man

[severe brook]

only two primals at most, though. Ruby and Emerald's consumed Primals were from farther inland.

[maiden lodge]

I mean, 'primal breeding grounds' is relative.

eyes Eorzea

[torpid yoke]

Didn't they get all their primals from corvos

[severe brook]

i remember Emerald's is specifically from the Ilsabard mountains

i can't remember exactly where Ruby's was from, i want to say it was from a steppe in Ilsabard

[gaunt star]

I was always weirded out by Ruby having teeth, organic teeth from the looks of it

[dim sigil]

Its great adds some horror

[viscid monolith]

https://twitter.com/random_factor/status/1231271828208967681?s=21

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Pilot: cool cool quick question why did you give it teeth

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But it probably grew the teeth after absorbing the primal

[dim sigil]

I just take it more as a carryover from the ff7 design

[viscid monolith]

It had teeth?

I just remember it being a sad lizard

[severe brook]

yeah, FF7 Ruby is actually pretty close to FF14 Ruby (or the other way around, rather)
but the proportions are all distorted

[heady shadow]

tbh...
I dont really think the devs intended us to try figuring this out. All we need is just they been doing weapon experiments and using primals.

[dim sigil]

What do party finders mean when they say reset flood Ray

[gaunt star]

Go back to your light party spots

[severe brook]

basically all the same parts are there for both the 7 and 14 designs, but 14 Ruby has much bigger shoulders and legs, and much smaller neck, head, arms, and claws

[tribal plinth]

basically group 1 and group 2 go to their respective platform and wait for the next mechanic

[dim sigil]

Ah ok yeah that makes sense alreadly did that

[severe brook]

and then the other Weapons are all almost identical to their old designs, except for Sapphire's BIG. MEATY. CLAWS. and Regula Helmet, Emerald's hands and swords, and Diamond's other form

[viscid monolith]

It looks angrier than I remember

[dim sigil]

I wasn't sure if the reset by people meantt like the jump-off so-called strategy that they do

[heady shadow]

runby has the shoulders because they took design inspiration from Char's mech from counterattack ithink

[dim sigil]

The weapons are also supposed to be organic in 7 so stuff like Teeth things fit more

[gaunt star]

The weapons in 7 are living things which was p cool, but Sapphire was dumb as bricks

[maiden lodge]

sac strat so bad

[gaunt star]

"Let me just put my face infront of this cannon"

[dim sigil]

Numbers aren't even hard why do people do sac

[torpid yoke]

Ppl are dumb

[brisk quail]

Cuz they dumb

[dim sigil]

Honestly the hardest mechanic is probably just remembering to let hand lasers go off before you go in your Tower because you're just impatient

[brisk quail]

They can't count to 8

[gaunt star]

The numbers are color coded too, but people still get messed up

[brisk quail]

It's IMPOSSIBLE

[gaunt star]

Or my favorite, "I dont know what Odds and Evens are"

[viscid monolith]

The tower is definitely the hardest mechanic

Hardest/worst

[dim sigil]

Not even hard really it's just remembering oh yeah lasers

[bold condor]

Keep in mind that Garleans willingly wear scary masks sometimes styled like human skulls.

[viscid monolith]

Are there 6 or 7 towers

[gaunt star]

Had to explain what Odd and Even numbers are to someone in EX

[bold condor]

There's no reason they wouldn't put teeth on a robot.

Does Valens seem like the kind of person who wouldn't put teeth on a robot?

[viscid monolith]

But that must have cost so much money

[dim sigil]

I'm pretty sure there's 8 always been 4 on my side so i asume 4 on other

[bold condor]

You know the teeth are probably made of metal, right?

[mighty light]

Only costs money if you're paying for them

[heady shadow]

diamonds ||brain|| wasnt made of metal......