retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[mighty light]

Every major MSQ element so far has been original; having Jenova be the main antagonist and inciting action of HvZ would be
Boring, tbqfh

[plain plover]

HvZ?

[dim sigil]

I would rather it not be a crossover for that

[mighty light]

Hydaelyn vs. Zodiark

[dim sigil]

Imagine how lame that would be

[mighty light]

Informal name for the arc of 1.0-6.0

[plain plover]

i'm not a big ff fan but i'm interested in how anima will be integrated

i'm assuming fandaniel will create her

[somber storm]

Well there's also the alliance raid that we know nothing about

[plain plover]

the way they revealed anima was like how they revealed innocence

[subtle pasture]

Aye, Titania and Innocence were introduced at one of the Shadowbringers announcements in the fanfest cycle before it, just like Susano and Lakshmi, then Ravana and Bismarck,

kind of a surprise they split up the trial announcements this time, but, understandable with this year's circumstances

[plain plover]

generate more hype by spreading it out

also didn't they originally reveal titania as a primal?

[next quarry]

wasnt there that weird theory that ali was titania or something

so out there

[clever flume]

the only two that were announced at the same time were ravana and bismarck

Titania was revealed at Paris fanfest, innocence at japan for shb. Susano at Eu and Lakshmi at JP for Sb

[plain plover]

jesus can this story stop getting darker

[plain plover]

what alisaie?

but yeah i swear she was announced as a primal

[next quarry]

yea it was a weird theory

[torpid yoke]

Yes peeps thought titania would be alisaie for some reason

[dim sigil]

Tbf

Like we fought ryne once so alisae isnt out of the question

[plain plover]

god i remember people were fearing what was happening to alisaie in the 5.5 trailer

[teal geyser]

4.5 you mean right?

[torpid yoke]

We fought ryne 2 patches after shb released

[plain plover]

no 5.5. where she's glowing though it was just the aether transfer

[mighty light]

Also Ysayle, and 4.0 ended on Zenos talking about possessing/taking over Primals

[teal geyser]

Wow what dumb people

[clever flume]

we had no reason to fear for in 5.5

she's in 6.0's trailer lmao perfectly fine

[torpid yoke]

Are you really surprised?

[plain plover]

yeah you mention the endwalker trailer and its "oh right yet"

[wary perch]

But what if the Alisie in 6.0 trailer is not the real alisie

[torpid yoke]

That's stupid

[kind lark]

Turns out she was titania all along

[wary perch]

What if she is an ascian that possessed Alisie body after she die in 5.55?

[teal geyser]

TiTAnIA iS AlISAIe

[wary perch]

[torpid yoke]

Someone on the fourms thinks an ascian has been controlling yshtola since 5.3

[mighty light]

When do we get to become Titania though

[dim sigil]

We had offers

[teal geyser]

Never, relegated side bitch

[plain plover]

fandaniel in alisaie lmao

[torpid yoke]

They think she's been acting strange since she passed out there

[teal geyser]

Wooooords!

[dim sigil]

It's the most I have heard about cat lady is that she is testing the waters of us being tempered by asking questions

[plain plover]

eh?

[wary perch]

Passed out when?

[teal geyser]

in

[torpid yoke]

In anaesis

[plain plover]

hey that's your fault seeing like that

[teal geyser]

You typed it like that

[plain plover]

you know what that meant

[torpid yoke]

5.3 solo instance

[teal geyser]

I do but it still reads like that

[plain plover]

tempered by hydaelyn?

[torpid yoke]

I should stop going on the fourms it just makes me sad

[plain plover]

also speaking of primals so generally they follow what the race prayed for, though hydaelyn was mostly to oppose zodiark which was summoned for salvation?

[teal geyser]

To oppose Zodiark to protect the new life that was going to be sacrificed and also seemingly just because Zodiark wasn't going to keep the world safe forever and the convocation wasn't hearing nothing about it

[mighty light]

Hydaelyn was summoned to save the new life blooming on the star that Zodiark and his fanbase were going to sacrifice, to stop Zodiark without destroying him, and (possibly, going off of what Venat said) to impose a more permanent solution to the Sound problem.--rip

[plain plover]

still love how susano just follows "lmao xd lets fight bois"

[mighty light]

How our hearts sing in the chaos

[plain plover]

from what i remember like susano just wants to fight, there is no specific goal with his summoned race

[torpid yoke]

Susano just wanted to vibe

[tropic frigate]

in basically every primal summoning we try to stop we are meant to fail for trial reasons lul

[plain plover]

ravana was summoned by... the bug people forgot their names, for conquest right?

[dim sigil]

He didn't really live long enough to temper

[teal geyser]

Yeah basically

[stiff charm]

yeah the gnath just wanted more territory

[somber storm]

Susano just showed up basically

[mighty light]

We've stopped a few summonings

[somber storm]

The Kojin basically got scared

[plain plover]

and they summoned some nutter who would prob wield fidget spinners

[teal geyser]

Because they believed that's just what Susano was

[plain plover]

wonder what upcoming primals there may be thematically

[kind lark]

A moon primal

[torpid yoke]

H&Z fused with fandaniel at their heart

[teal geyser]

I just want to know how much X Anima plot will make it into XIV Anima

[torpid yoke]

What's the plot of X anima?

[teal geyser]

Something something Seymour's mother who sacrificed herself to become an aeon so she can forever protect her (fucking lunatic) son as he was a summoner and...I forget the rest but that was the gist

[plain plover]

btw why tf do they use the lost allagan gear for the weapons orphans?

looks like prosphetic arms

[teal geyser]

Because sci-fi gundam shit

[torpid yoke]

Closest thing that looks like Gundam gear

[plain plover]

just looks really odd with them

[torpid yoke]

Nahhh

[plain plover]

damn actually put a Fin at the end of that, HOLY FUCK THANK YOU FOR SOME HAPPINESS AT THE END

[gusty quest]

She's gonna need alotta therapy after all that

[plain plover]

yeah but i thought was gonna end on her still being a vegetable

[gusty quest]

Fair enough. And Gaius can continue being father extraordinaire

[plain plover]

hope they show up in some story later, feels odd can go back but she just talks about memories for 2 lines

god i did that entire storyline today so a lot of heavyhitting

[gusty quest]

Maybe in EW perhaps. Guess we gotta wait and see

[plain plover]

i was honestly not expecting that story

[dim sigil]

Prob will but gaius feels like complete done arcs over

[plain plover]

i mean is he not gonna be hunting ascians still?

feels odd he comes into MSQ for one purpose and ends in a different side story

[gusty quest]

He's helping to rebuild Werlyt now

[dim sigil]

He wont be a big player anymore i dont think

Hes there he exists butnot a mc

[maiden lodge]

I mean, fighting the empire IS fighting ascians too, to his reckoning

[plain plover]

oh yeah i suppose he changed his goals

in sapphire cutscenes they were still talking about wiping out the ascians

[somber storm]

Leave wiping out ascians to the experts. Us

[plain plover]

yeah i was gonna say that

but yeah very solid story that one was a lot of feels for a single day though

[warped hull]

Did the story for the Nier raids basically ended?
I feel like the ending was a bit... sudden?

Like I completed Nier Automata and deleted my save file. But I still don’t quite understand how the story of the Nier raids worked

Like all I get is there is a white orb who came into ffxiv world and spit out a lot of Nier stuff

And white orb be bad wanna destroy world, so we team up with 2B who got spit out and kill orb?

[forest magnet]

the machine lifeforms were from the orb
u initially join the machine lifeform 2P and beat up 9S.
then they betray u and are evil, so u join 2B

[warped hull]

Yeah, I guess that’s about it.

[regal lantern]

Play drakengard 1 and 3, play NieR gestalt and replicant, play automata, watch the dramas, then do the raid. It’ll make sense then.

[heady shadow]

well playing/watching drakngard 1 will let you understand what the white orb ball things are

also dont forget the one or two manga with it too

[rough kestrel]

Just watch the Clemps Videos on Drakengard

Saves you time and its more entertaining.

[heady shadow]

at leats someone still has them unlike a certain someone coughauroravalkryecough

[forest magnet]

It's not crucial for your understanding apart from "oooh i clapped when i saw that boss"

[dull rover]

what was the new japanese lookintg top from?

[tropic frigate]

could be summer event right?

is that what people mentioned as a possibility?

[dawn wave]

new top? i don’t think i’ve seen it

[tropic frigate]

its that new set i think i assume?

eastern looking one that was datamined

[heady shadow]

either summer or mogstation

[clever flume]

the resshi set? its not moonfire

[rough kestrel]

Whatever it is, I need the top now.

[dim sigil]

Why can't I have the mail pose

[rough kestrel]

Yeah it doesn't seem unreasonable for them to introduce both gender poses with /cpose in the future

So it's weird to me that they have not done it yet, or didnt do it when they added the new idles

Honestly every idle pose from every race/gender should be available to everyone. Or atleast the ability to buy animation sets to equip

The make Hyur thumbs up is so fucking obnoxious, I refuse to use it.

But sometimes I want to give that response to things

[heady shadow]

i think it's just because the coding for it would take a while to do unlike the glamour stuff

[stiff charm]

if thats dyeable

[rough kestrel]

The top is dyable yeah, it's dyed there to match the undercoat with the Hakama

I think I dyed the top woad blue?

[stiff charm]

"it would look weird sometimes" what if i want my catboy to do fem poses huh yoshi p what then

[rough kestrel]

They already do femposes.

[dawn wave]

the black mage male cpose is awful lmfao

[rough kestrel]

Nothing masculine about catboys, Highlander women are manlier than they are.

[dawn wave]

alright pal

[heady shadow]

oof

[stiff charm]

i really like it lol at least on my miqo

[rough kestrel]

Hey, if thats your jam, you live your best life. But it is what it is.

[crystal arrow]

Honestly the one idle pose that annoys me the most is the drk one

males hold their swords over the shoulder while fem charas just... stab it into the ground?

[stiff charm]

ok ok but i mean like the fem miqo cposes, some of those are interesting

[heady shadow]

they get Thordan pose

[dim sigil]

Male Dark Knight is supposed to be cloud

[rough kestrel]

I wish guys could get the female DRK idle

[stiff charm]

i actually really want the ground stab, looks cool to me

[dim sigil]

Female who knows

[crystal arrow]

y'see this is why it shouldn't be genderlocked LOL

[rough kestrel]

I think more people want the ground stab than they want the over the shoulder

But I want the over the shoulder on female characters because it looks badass.,

[dim sigil]

I assume because skeleton gender model or something stupid like that

[crystal arrow]

most fem drks I've met would love the over the shoulder pose (and most use the over the shoulder part of /victory for screenshots)

[stiff charm]

also, /epose or /changeemote so we get different gendered emotes pls

[rough kestrel]

Skeleton is only an issue because they dont want to spend time on it.

It's not actually a limitation, but a workflow issue "We dont have time to fuck with this"

[crystal arrow]

frankly I hope 6.0 brings more cosmetic qol like that

[wind bough]

That’s a limitation

[rough kestrel]

It very well might.

[forest magnet]

it takes more effort unrestricting gender gear than it does unlocking cpose

[stiff charm]

as good as the male miqo /joy is (might be my favorite default emote) i want the fem miqo one sometimes lol

[crystal arrow]

i'd accept it as a replacement for fem hroth

[rough kestrel]

Like you can already use CMtool to give different race animations to midlanders etc. and most of them don't have any weird deformity.

I gave fem highlander animations to a midlander and that shit looked great.

[turbid aspen]

Midlanders with da highlamder body 😩

[crystal arrow]

That's a thing I just don't understand, like... if modders can give hair to viera and make hats work on them, then why can't the devs working for a multi million dollar company do it?

[rough kestrel]

The actual answer is workflow and scheduling

[turbid aspen]

Weirdly enough miqo female and midlander male animations are the only ones that dont deform no matter the race

[crystal arrow]

yeah I know, and it's unfortunate (that was somewhat rhetorical)

[rough kestrel]

It's the same reason not every scene is voiced, they'd have huge delays getting that done, they CAN do it, but not without sacrificing the release schedule.

So this is shit they may have talked about and went "Throw it down the pipline for 24 months from now"

[dim sigil]

I imagine having to make a new Full Game every two years on a cycle is a lot of work

[wind bough]

Time, manpower and budget are limited

[rough kestrel]

I don't know that I agree that XIV has budget limitations, it's purely how quickly they like to get shit out and how tightly organized Yoshi has things.

That seems to be the go-to answer he gives to shit that I have seen

[serene crest]

Also remember that some things that we got over the years were personal passion projects by various team members who went rogue and made some crazy stuff on their own time. Mahjong being one such project.

[pine epoch]

money isn't really a issue for the dev team

[wind bough]

Manpower is limited by budget.

[rough kestrel]

This is one of those things where I really wonder if once EW is done, if the release schedule for content is going to change as they shift their priorities further towards future proofing XIV.

I get kind of a sense that might be a thing, but who knows.

[serene crest]

I’m, yeah, beginning to doubt that we’re getting a 6.1-6.5 as we’ve known them for the past few years.

[rough kestrel]

I'm sure they'll set up a new story but I wouldnt be surprised if it's mostly QoL or Visual shit and the pace of story progression slows for a bit.

Infact I'd welcome that.

The only thing we have about post EW is the Ultimate in 6.1

[dim sigil]

Isnt their panda tho

[pine epoch]

one thing to note they can't do anything that will fuck up content flow.

[dim sigil]

There

[pine epoch]

6.0 6.2 6.4 pandamonium raids, 6.1 6.3 6.5 24 mans

[rough kestrel]

Panda might be in 6.0 for all we know

Well, no maybe the first tier, gear progression would be fucked of all 3 tiers were there

[pine epoch]

atleast 7 extreme trials

[clever flume]

i highly doubt they would change how they've done the first tier release

[dusk drift]

new tier released every 48 hours

[pine epoch]

If they fucked with End Game progression at this point there would be riots

[clever flume]

2/4 weeks is more then generous. there's no reason to mess with that

[dusk drift]

ultimate World First race

[stiff charm]

all the high end content is in 6.0. race to finish msq

[pine epoch]

more riots than ultimate being canceled and moved to 6.1

[rough kestrel]

The odds are probably high they'll keep things roughly the same, but I guess my point is if there is a change, now would be when I'd expect it.

now being post 6.0

[clever flume]

also it would be extremely odd that they would change that, given that yoshi-p has mentioned delaying the later tiers

[rough kestrel]

What is 6.xs Bozja going to be

[stiff charm]

inb4 no relic weapon

[pine epoch]

we dont get info on relic weapons until expac releases

[rough kestrel]

||inb4 it's exploring the Nier world, enraging everyone fed up with the raids||

[pine epoch]

maybe in a interview right before hand

same with the trials, they are a mystery until after the Expansion launches

[stiff charm]

for the next alliance raid all i hope for is that the music transitions dont have that dumb "boom" sound effect

[rough kestrel]

?

[stiff charm]

in ct and mhach raids there is dynamic music for trash packs but the transition is ruined by this sound effect that they put in for no reason

[pine epoch]

the only major change i think in terms of content is 6.3 wont be a MSQ trial. and 6.2 6.3 6.4 and 6.5 will all be part of the same quest line. ~~ Just because I think the trial series will be the four elemental archfiends from FF4~~

[clever flume]

its still possible that 6.3 will be an msq trial

it just won't be the same sense as the others in that its a wrap up fight

[pine epoch]

I mean yes it is.

[rough kestrel]

It's VS Tataru because she's become too power hungry.

[somber storm]

Tataru Prime

[rough kestrel]

The MSQ trials after 6.0 are all filler episodes

[dim sigil]

Pls

[wind bough]

We’ll have to sniff 140 chocobos

[rough kestrel]

I kind of hope we see some goofy shit in MSQ post 6.0 before we lead into whatever new story arc

[dim sigil]

I really really really really really do not want it to end with like some sort of cliffhanger teaswr about some new bad guy

Let us CELEBRATE AND be HAPPY

[stiff charm]

5.3 style ending please

[rough kestrel]

I don't think it will, I think once you deal with Hydaelyn and Zodiark, you're done.

Introducing anything related to that would be essentially continuing that arc.

[solar kettle]

we don't know where this is from yet right.

[rough kestrel]

if not moonfire then probablly Mog

[torpid yoke]

easier to have something done client side opposed to server wide

[clever flume]

its not moonfire

[crystal arrow]

Given how it's pretty much 95% confirmed sharlayan is gonna be the big city, I'd wager that it's related to them/the region

[rough kestrel]

I hope Sharlayan has some big giga lore bombs for us.

I want them to reveal that they actually know about Amaurot, or what little of it was left on The Source.

[somber storm]

Beach and sauna episodes

[mighty light]

Also: modders working on something in their spare time because they're passionate about it, vs. devs working on assigned projects during their work hours for money

[dim sigil]

Sharypan is actually rebuily amarout ruins

[crystal arrow]

Yeah like, they gotta know something about that

[torpid yoke]

they should do this then :D

[heady shadow]

I want Sharlayan because we can get the Twins' mom to appear mwhahahahahahaah

[torpid yoke]

this too.

[stiff charm]

twitter artists at the ready

[rough kestrel]

I always feel like I see Amaurot architecture in those Saint Mocianne dungeons, so I've been feeling for awhile there is a connection there that only the WoL/scions would notice from being on The First.

[torpid yoke]

inb4 azem founded original sharlayan and wanted it to be different from amarout but it ended up being amarout 2.0

[mighty light]

Sharlayan was founded after the 6th Calamity

[torpid yoke]

im memeing

[wind bough]

by Nine Claws son of Nine Claws

[torpid yoke]

but i wouldn't be surprised if they found out about og amarout at some point

[rough kestrel]

They always talk about them hoarding secret knowledge, so it was the first thought I had "Oh dude they totally fucking know about Amaurot, or knew that it existed, but only we would recognize that"

Also who's to say Ascians haven't infiltrated their society.

If Sharlayan knows anything of genuine importance, someone would have embedded themselves in there, if not orchestrated them.

[dim sigil]

Daddy of alisae and the boy is actually pash

[somber storm]

Bring out the Amaurot Deniers in Sharlayan

[rough kestrel]

I'm also wondering if there is going to be a reveal about the twins and the fact they've been with us from the beginning

[forest magnet]

if Ascians meddle in anything its to make them chaotic disruptors. Sharlayan is the exact opposite. Not to mention it was Sharlayan who developed the methodology on how to kill Ascians

[rough kestrel]

Which I would think would put them right near the top of the list of shit for Ascians to keep an eye on, right below WoL and other Shards.

[heady shadow]

I just want the Twin's mom to appear because she is known to try making them wear the same outfits.

and honestly its almost possible thats how they get their new outfits anyway

[cinder badger]

I never realized until now that the final boss of the new raid is throwing the Square Enix building at you

[heady shadow]

mwhahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaahha

[cinder badger]

Only Yoko taro...

[rough kestrel]

The Nier shit is funny because it means the WoL technically knows what IRL Japan looks like, having seen a recreation of it.

It's a more interesting version of the FF13 ending where Lightning ends up in our world?

(After having already been shopping and picked out nice clothes)

[cinder badger]

Those were only events and not really to be taken seriously imo

It's not like everybody can experience those unless Square Enix brings them back for a Time

[forest magnet]

what where Lightning gets featured in a gucci magazine

[cinder badger]

Also Final Fantasy XIII is such a bad pick to compare anything with

[rough kestrel]

@cinder badger No the LR ending, she ends up in what seems to be Europe, on Earth.

[cinder badger]

It's a heap of garbage and I never even played anything beyond the first one because the first one was ass

[rough kestrel]

I was comparing them because they're both real places in the real world.

[cinder badger]

Just like how I didn't give Square Enix any more money for the remaining DLCs for Final Fantasy 15 because it was ass

And honestly they couldn't even finish those because the director said sayonara

To be honest I think nomura is cursed...

I was originally excited for versus XIII but Nomura was becoming too ambitious was taking too long and so then they booted him and put somebody else in gutted the game and repackaged it as Final Fantasy 15

And then he got to do Kingdom Hearts 3

Which I didn't enjoy as much given how they pretty much removed all the Final Fantasy characters it just tried to do all original characters

Part of the reason why I liked Kingdom Hearts was because it was mixing Final Fantasy with Disney and it was mildly entertaining once you took out that element of Final Fantasy mixed with Disney and just made it Disney mixed with whatever the fuck these people were that mild entertainment just turns to... "eh"

[heady shadow]

tbf the main head of SE were also to blame for a lot of that because they only gave the new guy 2/3 years to finish xv

[cinder badger]

Also to be perfectly honest the whole series was a mess considering you kind of needed to play all the handheld nonsensical subtitles in order to really get a grasp on the whole story

And then there was Final Fantasy 7 remake.... which is fun but it felt a little bait-and-switch when nomura reveals that the term remake wasn't what we thought it was

That he had something else in mind and that we weren't just playing a remake of the original game.... what a dick xD

[brazen stag]

Oh oh, I wanted to add to this conversation how it kinda reminded me of the true ending to Chrono Cross!

[cinder badger]

I never got to play Chrono cross sadly only Chrono Trigger

[heady shadow]

hoenstly what i heard a lot of the newer stuff was suggested by kitase.

[brazen stag]

Ah, I think it's a fantastic game on its own and that the connections to Chrono Trigger are quite tenuous unless you have somehow managed to play Radical Dreamers.

[heady shadow]

on the bright side i gues nomura isnt gonna be directing the rest of the parts(at least par 2 atm) so,,,,,

[brazen stag]

The remake of Chrono Trigger does try harder to connect the two.

[cinder badger]

@heady shadow that frightens me more because I don't know what Liberties the other guys will take

I mean we established that we just kind of broke the timeline or something by destroying the ghost things That was supposed to make sure things went as originally intended

I can't remember their names right now

[heady shadow]

well.... thats the thing.
you either hate or dislike that the guy is working on it or get worried that Kitase and the other two directors going ham

the other two are....

Naoki Hamaguchi
Motomu Toriyama

[cinder badger]

I can do both just fine the first part of the game did not turn out the way I expected it to be so who knows what's going to happen regardless

[heady shadow]

which for the second guy {Toriyama started directing himself with Final Fantasy X-2 and has continued doing so with Final Fantasy XII: Revenant Wings, Blood of Bahamut, Final Fantasy XIII, Final Fantasy XIII-2, Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII and Mobius Final Fantasy.}

and for naoki https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Naoki_Hamaguchi

[cinder badger]

I mean the sephiroth reveal right at the start kind of left me thinking this wasn't going to be what I thought it was

And then those phantom things flying around cloud and aerith left me knowing it wasn't going to be what I thought it was

[heady shadow]

my definition of a remake usually is along the lines of ''make (something) again or differently.''

[cinder badger]

Should call it redo

[dawn wave]

seems like some people played the whole game and only realised at the very end that it wasn’t a 1:1 remake and got upset how did they not see it coming

[cinder badger]

Final Fantasy 7 redo

[dawn wave]

i’m leaning towards the interpretation that “remake” is a meta wordplay on the actual world/timelines being remade

[cinder badger]

Yeah just about anyone should have seen something was off when sephiroth was revealed from the start

[heady shadow]

could have always went for this version of a remake too

[cinder badger]

Arieth seems a bit more fiery in this one too...

I love how everybody gasped collectively when she said "Shit"

[heady shadow]

just imagine the firestorm if they had the FF7 story but changed the whole cast

[cinder badger]

Sadly it will probably be a very very long time before I'm able to play the next parts since no doubt they'll be exclusively for the PlayStation 5

[heady shadow]

probably

also just a small jab at remake stuff you can be darn certain that the ||tlou1 remake|| isnt gonna be 1:1 xD

also i forgot this was 5.5 spoilers lmao

[cinder badger]

Wow it's funny you should mention that I was thinking about popping in the remastered version in my console right now

[heady shadow]

lol

[cinder badger]

So I never played part 2 but I bought it a couple months ago along with the remastered version just so I could do a full playthrough of both even though I played the first one before on PlayStation 3

I actually had a friend disavow our friendship no joke simply because I was willing to give part 2 a try

Like that is some serious amount of hate people have for a game that if you show even the slightest bit of optimism towards it you're a horrible person

[heady shadow]

oh boy thats a different beast all together.

[cinder badger]

I watched dunkey critique it he doesn't understand why people are angry and he believes that people who are angry about it also don't understand why they're actually angry

[heady shadow]

all i know is im not getting it after how both sides including the Dev side acted with it

[cinder badger]

I'm inclined to agree because people were pissed about this game way before it was ever released just because of some leaks from what was seemingly a disgruntled former employee

[heady shadow]

nah it was a hack. the employee thing was just a pr thing iirc

ND doesnt have that great of a security deal

[dawn wave]

that’s pushing it too far lol... all over a video game?

[cinder badger]

Okay somebody hacked it and leaked it and people instantly decided they hated it even though the game hadn't been launched yet. Dunkey also pointed out that many of the people who made claims that they hated the game also thought days gone was a masterpiece of writing

[heady shadow]

well yeah what was taken was actual cutscenes and everything from the game itself, it wasnt a ffxiv style 4chan leak

and youtubers also got sued and videos copyrighted striked for showing the footage too

[heady shadow]

there are lesser things people disavowed others for sadly.

[cinder badger]

All companies have their scumbag moments Square Enix has had their fair share so has Activision Blizzard more than that and then the long long list of travesties EA has been involved with

[dim sigil]

I have almost completely done all of

for shb

Just ill mehg left

[cinder badger]

I just didn't like being told that I'm everything that's wrong with gaming for wanting to try this game.... I mean it's a video game I'm not trying to make a statement by being optimistic about a video game

[heady shadow]

Nice.

[cinder badger]

I find Ill Mehg to be the most boring of places to Quest in I don't know why it just bores me

[heady shadow]

I mean yeah. Honestly though if you still wanna play it give it a shot, if you end up not like liking the first 10 hours then thats that?
also yeha I havent been in there since i finished the Pixies stuff

[dim sigil]

Going back to Diamond weapon now though last I left off was numbers

I'm sure people have legitimate complaints about the last of us too but like after the Cesspool that I've seen I have a hard time taking any of them seriously

[maiden lodge]

Good luck. Once you get that down and then towers you're golden

[cinder badger]

I mean everybody's heard about the Joel death thing so I expect that when I play it and I'm assuming Joel has gotten softer in his years after rediscovering that he gives a shit about others.

[regal lantern]

Nice friend you got there 😎

[cinder badger]

The only reason why Joel was such a hard-ass in the first part was because life pretty much took a dump on him ever since the daughter died so he had to be a hard-ass but I feel like that was part of the journey in the first game was that he was rediscovering a bit of his Humanity by looking after Ellie

[maiden lodge]

hang on, how DOES one do a sac strat for limit cut AND towers? They're a million miles apart with like... one possible split damage aoe AND two flares

[open verge]

There’s a sac strat for diamond?

Just do the mechanic it’s easy 🙈

[maiden lodge]

To be exact--there's some guy on aether trying to get a group for a sac strat.

[cinder badger]

I haven't caught up with the weapon stuff yet the last one I did was the one where the last one I did was the one where you pilot the mech for the first time

[maiden lodge]

I never see anyone else in that group.

[dim sigil]

What mechanic was limit cut

[open verge]

Numbers I think

[maiden lodge]

Numbers. We call it limit cut, but it's properly called 'Flood Ray'

[cinder badger]

Why couldn't they just call it "steel rain"

[deft burrow]

Diamond rain

[cinder badger]

Codex Astartes names this maneuver steel rain

We will descend upon the foes we will overwhelm them we will leave none alive

[deft burrow]

Just name it big lasers go brrr

[maiden lodge]

Well that doesn't narrow it down, the fights ALL big lasers going varying degrees of brrrr

[torpid yoke]

Cant even tell you the amount of times ive been murdered by limit cut >:/

[deft burrow]

Hm but this one has big brr

[torpid yoke]

dis carry me

[maiden lodge]

I've generally had good limit cut luck

[cinder badger]

Is it better to cut the limit rather than break it?

[dim sigil]

I don't even care to farm this I just want to clear it once

[maiden lodge]

25 kills in, half way, I'm on my way

[torpid yoke]

carry meeeeeee

[deft burrow]

Limit cut is the only mechanic that requires individual movement in the entire fight. Otherwise you are moving with a group.

[cinder badger]

@torpid yoke is that a parody of the song Marry Me

[dim sigil]

The randomness add some pizzazz

[deft burrow]

Prefer sos mechs

[dim sigil]

Quinncast

[deft burrow]

More individual mechs and movement

[dim sigil]

That was fun

[deft burrow]

Yeah that is such a good mech for an extreme

[torpid yoke]

blm should get quintuple cast

[maiden lodge]

How much do you need to be carried, on a scale from 1 to https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/742643125981413447/834174203484962906/unknown.png

[cinder badger]

Did anybody figured out why it was Tiamat was unable to break out of her bind now even though in heavensward she said she could break out anytime she wanted she just chose not to

[torpid yoke]

1 i just need to make sure i can trust one person no to cleave me

[deft burrow]

She lost the willpower to do so

[cinder badger]

Yes but you would think after we gave her hope she would find that willpower again

[maiden lodge]

9 deaths, still got the kill though.

[deft burrow]

Meh

She could have been weakened and misjudged her strength

[maiden lodge]

She's also in a neurolink, partially tempered, and really sad about shit.

[cinder badger]

We kind of told her before breaking her out that we could cure tempered status and put an end to the constant summoning of Bahamut

[maiden lodge]

Yeah but... she's still in a neurolink

The fact she's lucid enough to hold a conversation at all is kinda a testament to how powerful she is.

[cinder badger]

Wait what does that even mean and have to do with anything she told us in heavensward she could break out whenever she wanted

If it was just a matter of her will being broken due to the summoning of Bahamut and we just told her we can put an end that and cure her of her tempered status I would think that would kind of light a fire under her

[maiden lodge]

Just a small matter of correction.

[cinder badger]

But no even after telling her all these things and her being willing to be set free we still had to set her free which means she couldn't have gotten out even if she wanted to

[maiden lodge]

She never actually says she can free herself.

It hath been five thousand years, my child. Wilt thou not forgive thyself?

Tiamat
The release of death is denied me here, yet I desire not freedom. Nay, Father. I shall live with my regret until the world itself hath ceased to be. Such is my just punishment for consorting with Darkness─for calling forth a loathsome and lamentable creature which blackeneth my beloved's memory.

So she accepts her imprisonment, and agrees with it, but she doesn't actually state she has any agency to break it.

[cinder badger]

It was a while ago but somebody posted the dialogue where she said she could if she wanted to

I could have sworn I saw it I wish I had saved it now

[maiden lodge]

I just looked at the entire quest's dialog. Unless she says it as a sidebar outside the quest itself, it's not said.

[regal lantern]

On the contrary it was Middy who says that or something along the line, like “why do you continue to allow yourself be caged like this?”

[maiden lodge]

He doesn't say that.

'Wilt thou not forgive thyself?' is what he says

[regal lantern]

Actually yeah Kawaiian is right was just watching the cutscenes

[maiden lodge]

The interpretation is understandable, I've interpreted it that way myself. But on review.... naw it's actually not said

[dim sigil]

Maybe kind of dumb question but when they say go back to your original platform after Numvers that's like the one you first go to when the battle starts right so group 2 goes to red

[strange wing]

Yup

[night aurora]

You know, I noticed that one of the dwarfs in the weekly quest seems to be becoming paranoid about us and the excavation leader but has enough sense to be confused about the outburst. I wonder if there were some remnants of WCS/Red eye virus left behind

[dim sigil]

Idk what the red whatever is but theres still clearly some fuckery going on

[night aurora]

Red eye virus is from drakenguard. Two important bits is that the disease comes from the Watchers (Beings similar to the final boss of the raid) and makes those infected super aggressive

[dim sigil]

I hope it leads to something interesting at least

It sounds like they're actually is an explanation for what the heck that final boss was there I guess if you play Neir

[night aurora]

Yeah, the boss is based on the last boss of Drakenguard and Drakenguard 3. We even got the music rings to go with it (The mechanic where you need to turn to match the colors)

[turbid helm]

Oh so the final boss isn't a Nier reference?

[wary perch]

I thought the machine is created by the alien in nier yet in xiv universe it's from the destruction seed

[turbid helm]

Never played either franchise so all the references went over my head.

[dim sigil]

Is the seed alien

[wary perch]

Nier is the sequel to Drakengard

[turbid helm]

Hm... I should look up a lore guide.

[wary perch]

Also first two boss is from nier replicant

Yoko taro shamelessly doing promo for his remaster nier replicant in the xiv collab

[night aurora]

This is the man who made a gatcha game a pseudo-sequel to Drakenguard 3

[unreal rivet]

So is there actual proof byakkos mane drops from desynth? I still have to get it myself from it and I tried so many times

[wary perch]

Rng

[kindred meteor]

RNG always likes to be a bitch

[unreal rivet]

Can it drop from anything then. Used all my totems so far on shields

[kindred meteor]

p sure it's just shields

[valid robin]

Oh fuck I love this idea
But what would be the link yoshi p's t-shirt when he announced endwalker ? I believe there's a connection to the new class every time, isn't it ? :c

[wet crown]

Terminus Est?

It's not like Gaius was the only one using it. It's an attack used with Garlean gunblades.

[pine epoch]

Terminus Est is translated to latin as a phrase like. It is the end

[somber storm]

Valens googling the phrase but can't find the right one

[tropic frigate]

they really like end

[brisk quail]

It's like any raid mechanic ever

[tropic frigate]

yea its either named end or it ends you

[brisk quail]

Add a word at the ending or begining and suddenly it changes

And then you have no idea what to do if you're blind

Valens didn't brush up on all his Gaius EX mechanics. Only Gaius Normal. Smh

That's why he lost.

[somber storm]

Est Walker

[dawn wave]

Est inien

[subtle pasture]

Terminus Est-inien

[carmine basin]

Would latin be garlemald's native language? If they named moves/ranks with it

[dawn wave]

i’d assume so but it’s kinda hard to convey that in dialogue

[wet crown]

Their native language is English because every single being in the universe speaks it.

[subtle pasture]

It's probably in the same vein of how, like, Hingashi adopted Allagan Common but places like Kogane Dori take their names from "old hingan"

[brisk quail]

I mean...

I mean Garlmald is a mess.

[subtle pasture]

"Eorzean Common," "Allagan Common" DIALECTS

[tropic frigate]

there is a bunch of language

and a bunch of stuff i dont know

[brisk quail]

Garleans are very inspired by romans

So it'd be likely their language is... similar or influenced by Latin

[carmine basin]

It's funny when you consider SAM instructor can't pronounce names of places in Eorzea but in our game language he speaks just fine

[brisk quail]

Given their naming terminologies

And ranks. And, and, and

[dawn wave]

do we know the names of any garlean locations

[wet crown]

Garlemald

[carmine basin]

We mostly know centrums

[subtle pasture]

The Imperial Magitek Academy, uhhhh, the Imperial Palace, uhhh... G-Garlemald...

[brisk quail]

And uhhh

[turbid aspen]

MEANWHILE AT THE IMPERIAL PALACE...

[brisk quail]

Castrums are VERY BORINGLY named

Castle Sea

Castle middle

Castle beach shore

[wet crown]

Didn't Riol mention a town name once?

[subtle pasture]

The one in Werlyt is Castle Hill, btw

[brisk quail]

Like. It's very fuckin basic

[carmine basin]

Landis is another territory taken over by Garlemald right

[wet crown]

I'm also convinced Hien or Yugiri mentioned (a) place(s) when they talked about their Shinobi spies.

[subtle pasture]

It's an Imperial Province, so not exactly Garlean in origin,

[wet crown]

[carmine basin]

We know more about the territory they took over than the ones they have from the start 😔

[subtle pasture]

Also, Castle Lakeshore in Bozja, and Castle Friendship in Dalmasca

[dawn wave]

hopefully 6.0 fixes this

[carmine basin]

Castle friendship?!?

[subtle pasture]

Castrum Amicita, formerly Nalbina Fortress

[brisk quail]

Castle Friendship.

Aka the one where they executed Dalmascans

Friendship do be magic like that

[subtle pasture]

The one Rasler held for 6 months with a growing pile of bodies for both sides,

[wet crown]

Death by friendship speeches

[subtle pasture]

very f-friendly

[dawn wave]

which one was that?

[subtle pasture]

Castrum Collinum, was the magitek installation where all the shit went down- wasn't named 'til this quest though

also TIL "Lacus Litore" is loosely "Lake" and "Shore"

[wet crown]

Excuse me, that's Castrum Liqourice.

[brisk quail]

Like... the one fairly unique thing... Garlemald has at least is the naming of ranks

And the whole rank/name system

[placid sail]

the infixes?

[brisk quail]

Compared to their terrible castle naming

[placid sail]

van, yae, zos

[brisk quail]

Yee

[wet crown]

aan

[placid sail]

Zenos yeet Galvus

[brisk quail]

There's alot of em

[wet crown]

Noooo. Now I'm thinking of Dabog again

[brisk quail]

And they're very specific. And you can only use the highest rank you own

[wet crown]

Y U MAKE ME SAD

[brisk quail]

Go pay him a visit

[wet crown]

Come on writers. Give me a chance to save him

[subtle pasture]

So "Inivisch" could actually be his clan name but if it's the imperial Hrothgar title, it's loosely a pun meaning "I became Lost"

[brisk quail]

But it also raises a good point

[subtle pasture]

"Inivi" being Latin for "I become," and -sch obviously bein' the Lost suffix

[brisk quail]

Nero wouldn't of gotten the title of Nan. Being a Tol

He just wanted to flex and be better than cid. (And get noticed by gaius senpai)

[wet crown]

Tol Giraffe

[brisk quail]

He got the neck for it tho

[balmy mesa]

Thankfully I don't think "bae" is a valid infix

[wet crown]

Not with that attitude

[balmy mesa]

Well they'd be really low on the ranking order tho

[brisk quail]

Yeah

The closest is Fae

[serene crest]

The second Nero’s Garlean armor goes on mogstation, you can be assured that I will immediately make Nero smol Scaeva a reality

[placid sail]

Nero bae Scaeva

[balmy mesa]

would "gae" be also valid?

[wet crown]

Zenos kek Galvus

[dawn wave]

zenos bae galvus

[brisk quail]

Gaius dad Balesar

[balmy mesa]

and then people will ship Cid and Nero (all of the fan art)

[brisk quail]

Gaius pog Balesar

[wet crown]

[brisk quail]

A spell stronger than ultima

The Gaius POG

[placid sail]

don't forget Nael deus Darnus

will we be fighting a Zenos deus Galvus?

[brisk quail]

Nael 'crazy bitch' Darnus

[wet crown]

Ultima Clap

The user extends their rear to great lenghts. Then retracts them, while encasing their target.

[balmy mesa]

She didn't quite nael destroying the entire known world, that's for sure

[wet crown]

Alfonse yeet Galvus

[brisk quail]

Darn-us

[balmy mesa]

She was a bit crotchety

[wet crown]

That's a nice way of saying bat-shit insane.

[brisk quail]

But tbh. If we go near garlemald. I want ALL THE LORE

All the stupid little things. I fucking love the naming things. I wanna know all the things

[wet crown]

I'm disappointed we'll have multiple locations cuz I wanted to learn as much as possible about Ilsabard.

[brisk quail]

And politics

PLEAAASE. I need more

[wet crown]

Yeah, I can do without politics.

[brisk quail]

I need them.

[dawn wave]

politics reveals culture though

[wet crown]

Politics reveal which past leader has been the big douchebag.

[brisk quail]

Exactly. And we already got a hint of it before they went to a bloody civil war

[dawn wave]

you can learn a lot about a place by finding out what their government is squabbling over

[brisk quail]

So now politics is like a... no. .

Like a it's not gonna fuckin happen

[balmy mesa]

cough Sharlayans cough

[wet crown]

Only politics we'll be dealing with are squabbly nerds.

[brisk quail]

Sharlayan bad. I wanna go learn about garlemald

[wet crown]

Yes, actually.

[brisk quail]

I wanna learn more about big bad empire

[balmy mesa]

no I mean I have a feeling that if we do actually go to Sharlayan on the way or whatever, it's going to be really political

[wet crown]

And boring.

[subtle pasture]

I hope the process of that is expedited by Krile’s talks with ‘em, but you know we’re gonna see Alphinaud and/or Alisaie debate their father

[wet crown]

I honestly expect Krile to return just to take the twins with her again.

Gives both of them an off-screen reason for SAG and new clothing.

[subtle pasture]

Now do you think we visit Sharlayan first in MSQ, or Thavnair

[wary perch]

We go to moon first

Then lunarian said you are not allowed here and blast you back to hydaelyn

[wet crown]

Sharlayan first and then immidiately to Thavnair

[subtle pasture]

[wet crown]

Thavnair, Limsa and Sharlayan will offer rides to each other.

[tropic frigate]

i am wondering what the final zone will be (it might obviously be the moon) but what kind of spin on it

[wary perch]

I honestly don't think we will go shalayan but we shall see what we got in fan fest

[subtle pasture]

My expectation would be Sharlayan proper gets sorta the Eulmore treatment, all hinging on how the talks go and us being allowed to and fro’

[tropic frigate]

tempest second half was an amazing surprise but i kinda wish it was more about that zone

[wet crown]

Actually, Thavnair might just be a time waster. Either because something is happening there right now or because of a gigantic fetch quest.

[subtle pasture]

That is, the locked aetheryte

Well we know there’s a dungeon that’s a Thavnairian temple under siege, and

[tropic frigate]

thaivnair does look like it might be related to a tower because the artwork we have has the matanga inside the walls

[subtle pasture]

That’s all

[wet crown]

I still think Anima might be their primal.

Just...corrupted beyond limits.

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, like...

[carmine basin]

They meet their mother who proceeds to smother them and give matching outfits but different colors

[subtle pasture]

Not their primal per say, but what the Arkasodara bound in a tower invoke

[tropic frigate]

although i wonder is the dungeon really only the elephants or would they make it that big tower in garlemald...

did they show us uhm..... artwork of mt gulg?

[drowsy belfry]

Nah

[tropic frigate]

aight

[drowsy belfry]

Kholusia was one of the last areas revealed, literally not until the site got updated closer to release

[wary perch]

Mt gulg only shown in the dungeon pv

[tropic frigate]

so the towers must be big inside

i only got the impression they were small from current patch

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, the climb up the colossus and the immaculate complex in the mountain top

[carmine basin]

Fandaniel in the trailer is probably inside the Garlemald one

[tropic frigate]

yea and that tower is much different

[wet crown]

They were even brazen enough to put Amaurot in the trailer

[carmine basin]

That red scary tower

[wet crown]

Before release, I assume it'd end up being the extra dungeon.

[tropic frigate]

kinda lookin like a eye of shauron type thing

maybe thats just me

[pastel coyote]

Stupid question but did we compare the map to check if something was missing ?

[tropic frigate]

huh?

[wet crown]

Just minor map changes

[wary perch]

@wet crown I think they show the academia. Can't remember

[carmine basin]

I don't think anything missing but Thavnair flag is added there

[wet crown]

Like the floating tip of Abalanthia's Spine is tilted and so on

[drowsy belfry]

Outside of Dalmasca being on there, they added Thavnair's weapon

[carmine basin]

!faq worldmap

[lusty shadow]

Hydaelyn world map translated by Rommy 🌎

Image URL: https://i.imgur.com/JTbvskE.jpg

[tropic frigate]

so did they turn that garlean tower into some fleshy stuff?

im gonna assume that it probably is

[carmine basin]

Possibly, they're building something according to Thancred and Riol

[tropic frigate]

im very interested in how creepy things will look and that MUSIC

[placid sail]

I suspect that going to the moon will be a moment similar to building the mountain sized talos on the First, where we have to bring all the people we've met so far together to achieve the impossible

[carmine basin]

WoL and scions gets catapulted to the Moon

[serene crest]

Also pardon the tiny picture as I’m on mobile but check this out. Nagyn changed to Origin. Cal’s losing his mind over this lol.

[carmine basin]

https://c.tenor.com/7NdKFKu5CekAAAAM/squirrel-nuts.gif

[wet crown]

But that's not recent.

[tropic frigate]

i hate that we gotta do a sort of communism for that shit but i guess the people would do it to save the world from ending

[subtle pasture]

In the dungeon crawl preview??

[tropic frigate]

wait they put amaurot in the trailer?

[pastel coyote]

What ?

[tropic frigate]

o it was probably dungeon crawl thing

[drowsy belfry]

Oh yeah Glass, there's a quick cut of the start of dungeon cutscene

[subtle pasture]

Where at, I was just rewatching it :o

[drowsy belfry]

It was just a close up of crystal-like texture burning so it was just assumed to be the Crystarium

[carmine basin]

Some parts of Akadaemia without context looks no different from Gubal Library so that's probably safe

[tropic frigate]

just bringing the people together to make some plot device so fast and it working very well

[pastel coyote]

...... how it's linked to communism ?

[tropic frigate]

because it be

as a meme

[drowsy belfry]

As for the 6th area in Endwalker, they never reveal the final area safe for Stormblood

[pastel coyote]

[drowsy belfry]

'sides the moon's a big ol planetary body

[carmine basin]

I keep seeing that triangle thing as pizza

Is the upcoming pizza emote meant to hint something?!?!

[pastel coyote]

Well all the ala mhiggan area look the same so they can't help it

[tropic frigate]

they could have showed some of tempest like even being underwater because we had stormblood underwater before

did the artwork of tempest include amaurot?

[drowsy belfry]

No they didn't show off the Tempest

[tropic frigate]

i currently dont remember

yea they didnt show it

[drowsy belfry]

We didn't see the artwork until you actively logged out in the Tempest

And a giant hole to a subterranean level where Zodiark hangs, I'm just saying is a really good 6th area

[carmine basin]

The loading screen is amaurot tho. Not sure what it'd look like before you reach amaurot

[tropic frigate]

i hope its amazing for a final zone

and it better be the whole zone

[placid sail]

https://tenor.com/view/moonlanding-gif-4816123

this will be the loading screen

[drowsy belfry]

I'm just wondering how they're gonna justify Aether Currents in a zone that has no currents to aether

But I guess that's just gameplay stuff sooooo w.e

[carmine basin]

Moon wind

[tropic frigate]

could just give us a ship

landing near it with it on it

[pastel coyote]

You know they could have just put some screen of Amaurot with the building in the background and say "New mode: explore the under sea with your own submarine !"

[tropic frigate]

is it not canon to put an aetheryte on a ship either?

[somber storm]

Plays the steel drum version of under the sea on repeat

[drowsy belfry]

Oh cool Finny-Fun in XIV

[carmine basin]

I assume aetheryte has to be in the same spot and ships and like would be too mobile

[tropic frigate]

unless this particular ship we get is plot for it

we could also do some ascian stuff finally if thats even possible for us.... right?

[wet crown]

[tropic frigate]

im not too familiar on ascian tears and stuff

[drowsy belfry]

We're not gonna be doing Creation magic and the like, but there's a reason why Derplander is in a cloak walking away from an explosion

[wet crown]

Ascians are the tempered by Zodiark

[drowsy belfry]

Imagery sure, but it's there for a reason

[tropic frigate]

yes but is it possible to teleport like they do without being tempered?

whatever the fucc they do when the teleport

[wet crown]

I assume it can be learned to teleport without the link to aetherytes

[pastel coyote]

....

[wet crown]

but I highly doubt it'll happen

[tropic frigate]

i know its defeating the purpose of the ship at that point im just trying to figure out a way they'd do it

[pastel coyote]

Just to be sure, you know what they use for teleport and stuff right ?

[wet crown]

They enter the rift and then pop out some other place, or am I wrong?

[pastel coyote]

shhh Taco i don't talk to you

[wet crown]

[tropic frigate]

i just know a sort of tear exists that they make and they kinda just teleport and thats about as much as i know

[pastel coyote]

Huh i don't mean like that, what is the name of their power ?

[wet crown]

power to transcend worlds?

[carmine basin]

I assume we have to abandon our mortal flesh if we want to teleport like ascians do

[wet crown]

Nope. Not when you only do it on a given shard

[pastel coyote]

Taco but yeah that's right, basically the echo

[tropic frigate]

is it really only the echo? i wouldnt have came to that conclusion myself

[pastel coyote]

And the wol is real shit at using the echo, so tp where we want is out of question

[tropic frigate]

o uh have we seen sundered tp?

[pastel coyote]

any low-rank ascian ?

[wet crown]

All the time.

In fact, they always teleport onto and from the scene.

[tropic frigate]

aight making sure it doesnt gotta do with unsundered only

[rain onyx]

Yeah I think we see black-masks use it in the smn quests?

[wet crown]

Yupp. The HW quests

[pastel coyote]

I mean sure i could say Nabriales given he's sundered but he was still powerful, but the low-rank-no-name can do it too, they just can't survive like the other.

[tropic frigate]

i remember zenos teleporting as well with a tear was that when he had his body or after? because i kinda want to check it right now

[carmine basin]

They don't have to pay teleport fees like we do

[pastel coyote]

Zenos is.... well we don't "know" but we have some idea. But Zenos he's a genius too.

[wet crown]

Seems like Elidibus changed Zenos's body to be able to use aether.

The teleport fees are maintenance costs for aetherrytes.

[tropic frigate]

i wonder if thats what the one interview i badly had to read through google translate wanted us to see or not as a hint

on what zenos would become

[wet crown]

He became what he had to

[pastel coyote]

Btw when is the Q&A ?

[wet crown]

Saturday, May 15, 2021 from 10:30 p.m. to 11:30 p.m. (PDT)

[pastel coyote]

Huh the fanfest then

[tropic frigate]

i am way too excited for fanfest

[pastel coyote]

Who i'm suppose to spam ask here to include my question ? I don't think the dev read a twitch chat right ?

[sudden herald]

Zenos is a super freak

[serene crest]

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/ac691e45697072f70b4ab5ac92016aba1e95a3c9

[sudden herald]

He’s super freaky

[tropic frigate]

did they usually do it on the forums?

[wet crown]

Yupp

Now they do it on Chinese cam spyware.

[tropic frigate]

wtf

where is that now?

[pastel coyote]

So i need to do it myself..... too boring

But thank Eton

[serene crest]

Yeah you need to be able to get in a Zoom call during the show to ask your questions 😅

[tropic frigate]

oh....

i hope we got people asking the real questions

viera and hroth stuff alongside makin classes harder or at least questions about it

[pastel coyote]

Well my connection is shit so zoom + call + twitch + whatever thing i will do at the same time wouldn't be the best thing to do

[tropic frigate]

like asking to make tanks not the same and healers being more interesting i would greatly appreciate

[wet crown]

Don't ask me why people have to use that spyware to ask a question instead of just posting it in their forum.

[wet crown]

Tanks are not similiar

[tropic frigate]

war pld and drk are

[balmy mesa]

Also note: Ishikawa will be answering questions in the second half of the Fanfest PLL

[wet crown]

Getting that shitty mindset out of your head.

[pastel coyote]

Yeah they have different color for their skill

[tropic frigate]

your damage is spamming the same button

stormblood was quite nice really 😔

pld gets insta cast things now

[balmy mesa]

PLD and GBR are pretty much the same in terms of their base 1-2-3 rotation, same with DRK and WAR. The rest is just flavour

I don't mind the tanks tbh.

[tropic frigate]

warrior has barely any buttons as well

[balmy mesa]

Would love a 1-2-3 combo for healers, that'd make things a bit more interesting

[tropic frigate]

meta was pretty ugly in stormblood tho

and yea astrologian feels like its something going in the right direction

but not enough

[wet crown]

WAR : Just takes damage upfront, focus on GCD damage, lots of healing through damage dealing

PLD : Physical and magical rotation, lots of defensive cooldowns, mitigates damage through parries

DRK : mitigates damage by shielding, more oGCD uses than the other two, mix of physical and magic damage

But all you see is HURR DURR HURR INNER RELEASE DELIRIUM

[tropic frigate]

it really became the same

[balmy mesa]

FELL CLEAVE? FELL CLEAVE.

[tropic frigate]

dunno what else to tell you

[wet crown]

because that is all you have to say

[tropic frigate]

i was actually fine with dark arts spam because it was ogcd

and not spam for gcd like drk war and pld

[wet crown]

is every physical job the same because they have a 3 part combo?

[tropic frigate]

im saying delirium

inner release whatever is for spam and pld enters spam too

[balmy mesa]

imo, DRK basically feels like they lubed up WAR, it feels way too smooth

[tropic frigate]

drk is kinda good in a way because of the OGCDS it got now but i really dislike the 1 button spam like they cant get anything else for gcds?

[balmy mesa]

Unleash is the worst tbh

[wet crown]

They preserved the feeling of oGCD uses with Flood/Edge

[balmy mesa]

but at least it doesn't switch between cone and circle AoEs

[tropic frigate]

only annoying part to drk aoe is circular aoes and then the line area for OGCDS

isnt too bad though

[wet crown]

Flood is pretty huge at least and starts from your hitbox

[balmy mesa]

I don't mind the line oGCD AoE, it reinforces good tanking practice

[tropic frigate]

i also liked how tank stance switching actually mattered because war had a unique way the others didnt but it kinda makes it too good

i just want em to be more unique in how they do em

[wet crown]

[tropic frigate]

i consider gunbreaker to be different than the other tanks because it feels a lot like you are trying to fit in a bunch while you are inside the chain

since it always gives an ogcd inside it

that you must use

[wet crown]

Yes, GNB was designed to feel fast and like a melee DPS

[balmy mesa]

Paladin was redesigned to be somewhat similar too
(I haven't really done gbr all that much - it's only at 64 atm)

[lucid geode]

before 70 it's really nothing special

[tropic frigate]

ya i think paladin is at least trying to be less similar when you go through its rotation physical side wise but magic is just spam

[lucid geode]

but that continuation combo...

[balmy mesa]

four holy spirits then confetti

it's a really fucking strict rotation in the case of pld

[tropic frigate]

i think physical side of pld has like

a point where you do a DoT to line up or some stuff i forgot but it was done in a nice way

o right i think you use the main damage side? and use two of its spam gcds and then DoT? and use the last one?

[lucid geode]

Yeah, it's dot combo -> royal combo -> 3x atonement -> dot combo

rinse and repeat, or rather go into magic phase after that

[tropic frigate]

i had thought there was a point where you 2 atonement and then DoT and use last atonement

im gonna have to see its rotation again

[lucid geode]

I'm no pld expert, I just know you use 6 gcds between each dot combo

[wet crown]

Here's the thing about PLD rotation.

Every fight has their own optimal rotation for fight specific reasons I never quite understood.

I only know PLD mains dislike it.

[tropic frigate]

by every fight do you mean the classes in your party?

[lucid geode]

afaik it's mostly because of buff uptime.

As a pld you are a slave to FoF and Requiescat and the optimal fight rotations try to optimize it

[wet crown]

No, trials, raids and stuff.

[lucid geode]

Since sometimes the boss just poofs and gone is your confetti

[tropic frigate]

i know a lotta classes gotta end their stuff soon sometimes

[balmy mesa]

no more Washington Monument

[tropic frigate]

unless it has to do with starting physical opener or magical

i do think what classes in your party also determines opener sometimes

[lucid geode]

I mean it goes for your dot combo too. If the boss poofs then putting up a dot would be dumb, but now you have 3 atonement stacks so why not spend them? 550 potency each after all

The moment you start to align stuff differently you just introduce new issues

But whatever, if anything I want drk to get a rework in 6.0. Currently it just feels like a less fun war

[wet crown]

Speak for yourself

[lucid geode]

Fair enough, I just don't think it has much unique things going for it

[drowsy belfry]

I mean you're right, DRK and WAR have the exact same burst phase

[tropic frigate]

i know one of my friends disliked the changes to ninja because you use to rotate between ninki spenders but now you dont

[lucid geode]

Yeah, except WAR feels more juicy when doing it... imho

[balmy mesa]

That's what I mean, DRK just feels like it's a more lubed up version of WAR

[wet crown]

NIN in 5.0 was a latency nightmare from what I heard

[drowsy belfry]

It helps because Fell Cleave has more of an OOMF to it compared to it then Bloodspiller

[lucid geode]

true

[severe finch]

not really, the only similarity is delirium and ir

[tropic frigate]

i miss stormblood and the way classes were designed

[drowsy belfry]

It's like how Flare has a screenshake as opposed to Deathflare

[wet crown]

I absolutely do NOT miss SB and the way jobs were designed

[drowsy belfry]

Flare has more OOMPF

[balmy mesa]

throw in a screen shake and fountain of blood for DRK

[severe finch]

drk has a mini burst every 60s with blood weapon and all their ogcds they dumb into 60s buffs

[lucid geode]

I mean tbf as drk you care more about blood weapon than delirium. But still, it kinda lacks any unique toys for me

[severe finch]

infinitely more weaving than warrior

[lucid geode]

true

[balmy mesa]

well at least they're not being evil and doing 53s cooldowns or something

[tropic frigate]

i just dont like why a solution for a bunch of your dps is spammy button

[wet crown]

WARs weaving is Upheavel.

[lucid geode]

and infuriate... I guess

[severe finch]

yeah, one compared to edge of shadow, plunge, c&s, abyssal drain

[wet crown]

But you said you liked SB's job designs.

[severe finch]

edge of shadow being used multiple times

[wet crown]

AND you said you liked SB's DRK, didn't you?

[tropic frigate]

yes but they are all spammy buttons on gcd

[balmy mesa]

Hey at least it's better than bow mage

[lucid geode]

I think drk would feel better if delirium wouldn't feel so much like inner release. Just put something different there and I'd be happy personally

[tropic frigate]

only class to me that felt like it may have gotten harder than it was in stormblood was black mage

[lucid geode]

The edge of shadow mp flow I very much enjoy

[wet crown]

BLM got easier in ShB

[tropic frigate]

the timer was tighter in sb but it gives more freedom in shb but also more thinking

[lucid geode]

BLM is nice, I think it's mostly clunky in it's leveling progress

up to 60 at least

[tropic frigate]

you also just have more buttons it feels now

[severe finch]

the difference is that it restores mp

[wet crown]

Umbral Soul, Xenoglossy and Aspect Mastery make BLM easier to play than ever in ShB

[severe finch]

not much though, i wish it was more

[tropic frigate]

yea but xenoglossy also means more thinking in movement because it can be used for that now

[lucid geode]

Except 3 of those buttons are useless.

I hate the design of skills becoming useless in higher levels

[wet crown]

And yeah, it's odd that BLM is so notorious for its horrendous leveling experience. Especially since Yoshi-P mains it and you'd think our producer would have to say something about it.

[tropic frigate]

also to be honest every class needed a thing for downtime because some hurt really hard and summoner was a ruler for too long

[lucid geode]

Fire II, Blizzard and Blizzard II just kinda vanish from your hotbar at some point

[wet crown]

Xenoglossy is never bad to use though.

[lucid geode]

and I'd never want to run leveling roulette with blm because I won't reserve braincells for each rotation 😄

[tropic frigate]

i just dont play black mage because of my anxiety of "will i have enough time to move?"

i am very much not a stand still person

[wet crown]

that's the BLM learning curve

[lucid geode]

I am currently leveling it, lvl 75 right now and I quite enjoy it

[wet crown]

but to me, AOE has the most fun and satisfying AOE rotation of any mage

[lucid geode]

It's definitely a fun job once you get into how the job is actually supposed to work at max lvl

[tropic frigate]

yea blm aoe feels pretty good

[wet crown]

BLM is so much fun after 72

but only once you get Aspect Mastery

[tropic frigate]

mages feel like they actually have an aoe rotation you have to learn

[lucid geode]

Because you got tons of movement tools too. Swiftcast, Triplecast, AM, Between the Lines

[tropic frigate]

and some melees got stuff but not really much

[lucid geode]

It's really fun to glide around the field

even sharpcast is a movement tool I guess since it guarantees instant procs

[tropic frigate]

yep

sometimes fire proc is better for an opener if the fight needs movement early on

so it refreshes timer and i think thunder proc opener is a slight dps increase

you can also freely refresh thunder inside fire now a single time

and that feels like a bunch of anxiety to me

[balmy mesa]

He wouldn't care too much now that his BLM is max level, imo

the leveling experience is cancer

[wet crown]

😏

[tropic frigate]

i remember not being able to hit anything in alliance raids

everything died and it felt bad and this is at max level

[balmy mesa]

Playing a turret in old content is just not fun

[tropic frigate]

in stormblood

[lucid geode]

I'll probably never touch blm again once I hit 80 tbh

just too much effort

[tropic frigate]

blm is a different kind of hard

compared to what makes classes hard its just different because of no movement

i use to suck at fast classes because my first class was BLM

i was actually pretty decent at BLM until i decided to quit it

[balmy mesa]

yeah anticipating movement and boss attacks is difficult. but it's also difficult in that you don't always get that payoff (being blueballed out of a fire 4 is )

[tropic frigate]

that is exactly why i hate aoes and dont know if i can get a cast out in time

[balmy mesa]

I just greed it, healers can adjust :)

specially since I can't nail slidecasting all that well, yet

[lucid geode]

I've noticed that I get a little salty when I frigging nailed the movement during a boss fight with blm and get no commends. Except why would I even expect to get any for that, I wasn't better than any other dps. Just feels like more effort I guess

[tropic frigate]

i did byakko and the balls worried the fucc out of me in extreme

im not as much of a nub now than i was then

it feels a lot easier to avoid now

[faint dagger]

someone told me of I think a UI mod which adds a small nick to the cast bar indicating at which point you can slide, which helped them practice

[balmy mesa]

yeah I've tried it out, It's not consistent

[faint dagger]

figures

[balmy mesa]

Like I can slide when the bar is half full sometimes but get Interrupted when it's got a sliver left, too

[tropic frigate]

i think thats just connection

laggy gamer moments

if the cast is fast enough it can also slide sooner and really slow casts are harder to do

[balmy mesa]

yeah Aussie ping sucks

[tropic frigate]

i know it can also slightly change without big spikes

i think i tested it with teleporting and just constantly moving while tping

but constantly moving seems to lag me more than standing still? because i cannot double weave worth anything on mch while moving

[wet crown]

It's often times really just before the cast ends. I wouldn't rely on it though

[rough kestrel]

Yeah slide casting is a thing you have to figure out based on your connection.

[distant sonnet]

Mmhmm. That tick thing throws me off more than it helps

Slide casting relies on intuition. You gotta feel it.

[solid current]

The heart of the gcd yugi

[balmy mesa]

0.35 was suggested for me - sometimes that works, sometimes it doesn't

I think 0.25 might be better, but I'll see how that goes

[brisk quail]

My fuckin ping is ass

So I can slidecast at like .5 regularly

[desert wing]

ok im at close to end of 5.3, i wanna know about exarch now

will we see him again?

[wet crown]

Why don't you just keep playing to find out?

[desert wing]

cause its close to bedtime, i got work tomorrow and my heart sings of tears

wahhhh

[wet crown]

The answer is yes and no.

[desert wing]

ok good enough thanks

[pastel coyote]

He's alive in ff16

[desert wing]

??

[pastel coyote]

I don't lie right Taco ?

[wet crown]

He also makes a small cameo in ff30

[desert wing]

im gonna leave nao

[pastel coyote]

Or was it a kameha ?

[unreal rivet]

Imagine him actually coming back in the next FF MMO, FF17

[desert wing]

oh it can be a reference

[forest magnet]

FFXXX

[wet crown]

[open verge]

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[balmy mesa]

FF17 won't be the next MMO, I think
it'll be another single-player game
no idea who'll work on it though - maybe Matsuno, maybe

[lucid geode]

it would be crazy to do another mmo while xiv is still riding high on popularity

[distant sonnet]

Nooooo way does Matsuno spearhead a mainline FF ever again

[balmy mesa]

yeah, afaik they did FF14 only because they needed to move onto a modern (at the time) platform?

[warm bone]

they wanted to make FFXI-2 afaik

[lucid geode]

Yeah but xiv is so popular that instead of making a new mmo for ps5 they just made xiv for ps5

[wary perch]

Which they did

[balmy mesa]

I could see CBU3 getting another mainline FF game, though
but this is only cos of the workloads of the other divisions

[lucid geode]

Though to be fair, in terms of engines not much has changed. And development for consoles is not so different these days than development for pc

From the technical side of things at least

[balmy mesa]

going from PS2 (with PlayOnline) to PS3 was a massive change

[lucid geode]

exactly

[balmy mesa]

from PS3 to PS4 was comparatively easier

[distant sonnet]

Yeah. Ps2 and Ps3 development are both just.. abject nightmares

[balmy mesa]

anyone here use the PS5 beta?

[distant sonnet]

4 and up has been getting more like "Its basically just PC"

[lucid geode]

From a technological standpoint video game development seems quite congested tbh. Like I could not dream up some gamechanger as of right now. But hey, I'll be happy to be surprised

[balmy mesa]

well, the irony is that the base PS4 is better than the minimum spec PC that can run this game currently (it was the other way around during ARR and HW)

[dusk drift]

it's true
a ps4 is much better than my laptop in terms of gaming capacity

[distant sonnet]

Yeah. Ps3 was basically a PC with a decent graphics card and 256mb of ram or some shit? On top of an insane devkit, as I recall reading.

[lucid geode]

I kinda hope this game falls off in popularity at some point though. I don't want another WoW that keeps on limping on tech that is ages old

Like... sure they keep it going because it's profitable

But please, let it die ffs

[distant sonnet]

They've already discussed the possibility of building an entirely new framework around FF14, no?

[lucid geode]

First time I'm hearing that

[distant sonnet]

They just said that the game would need like 10 years of longevity afterwards to justify it.

[dusk drift]

i think that "discussion" was mostly saying that it probably wouldn't happen

[balmy mesa]

256MB of shared memory and a 7800GTX equivalent, I think?
big problem with the PS3 was the Cell arch

[distant sonnet]

Something wild like that. But yeah, the cell thing.. that never then got used..

[balmy mesa]

I seem to recall that they wanted to do a FFXIV with modern graphics tech (a ARR 2.0, if you will), but time just didn't allow for it

[lucid geode]

I'd love it but it would cost a lot for almost no immediate profit

[balmy mesa]

ye, you can blame IBM, but also because Cell was basically designed for a 7+1 core setup and that was difficult to work with
tldr: it was ahead of its time - multi-threading applications was still in its infancy

but at the same time, IBM, in an effort to remain relevant, tried to reinvent the wheel
the irony was, even though the 360 ran on the same underlying architecture (PowerPC), it was easier to develop for

[desert wing]

can anybody remind me how long did graha spent in First as Exarch?

[somber storm]

100 years

[desert wing]

thanks

[pulsar yacht]

Ps3 cell was basically multicore pc but with a batshit insane thread scheduler and memory management. If you knew how to distribute work across the cpu units could do some amazing work but tje average dev was still used to programming for one logical cpu, one big chunk of addressable main ram, and one chunk of graphics buffer/ram

[balmy mesa]

yeah, PS3 dev was just... yuck

I just want fucking lost odyssey on modern platforms (speaking of 360)

[sage flame]

PS5 is now basically a computer architecture - which makes game work across Console and PC a lot easier today.

[balmy mesa]

it's x86-64, that's all
only difference is in how drivers have been handled

unfortunately, Sony insisting on exclusives is only going to hurt adoption in the long run, tbh.
fact is - MS has a far better driver stack that can be adapted to PC and Xbox - but it's also let down by the fact that they love to dogfood stuff and also, Windows Store being, well, kind of shit

[sage flame]

FF16* is not really exclusive to PS5 😄 for example.

[balmy mesa]

it's exclusive for a year

[dim sigil]

Noonee gonna play it anyway

[tough sapphire]

hue hue hue

[distant sonnet]

And Square still can't do a decent pc port to save their life, don't worry.

[lucid geode]

the KH ports were okay...

[spiral mica]

i never had a single issue with the 13 port tbh.

[indigo shale]

I wish SE didnt have that shitty exclusivity deal for FF with sony, dont they want more people to play their games, i guess when the game is a flop theyll at least have sonys money

[spiral mica]

havent played 15 yet so cant comment on that

[indigo shale]

im talking about for when 16 is released atm

[spiral mica]

i dont recall a single FF game, outside of 14 1.0 that was a "flop". MAYBE 15, simply because of the absolutely ridiculous development, but even then, was it commercially successful?

i dunno

[balmy mesa]

15 was fairly successful, but SE execs likely thought otherwise

[teal geyser]

The DLCs flopped IIRC but yeah the game sold commercially... positive IIRC

[spiral mica]

yeah basically every mainline FF is a big success

16 is not going to be any different

[lucid geode]

15 was really successful on launch in terms of sales. It even dominated the charts in Japan for quite a while

[balmy mesa]

I think 16 will be fine, it's just that 15 had SE's hubris to deal with

[lucid geode]

tbh Japan could probably make FF games be profitable on its own

[indigo shale]

im very anti exclusive on games its bad enough im playing 14 which is not even available on xbox, timed or not i hope i find it shitty as everyone should be able to play a game they want on any platform, so personally id like 16 to fail

[teal geyser]

Pfft imagine being an Xbox fan

[balmy mesa]

lol

[spiral mica]

Final Fantasy is like CoD, or Marvel movie. Its pretty much guaranteed to make buckets of cash

thats why SE leans on it so hard

[balmy mesa]

there literally were only two reasons why 14 isn't on xbox and one of them got eliminated a couple months ago

[teal geyser]

Xbox? More like "just play it on PC Box"

[spiral mica]

whats an Xbox?

[wet crown]

That's when someone draws an imaginary X on your shoulder and then pushes it.

[indigo shale]

even though idc for console gaming that much, id rather an xbox over playstation if i was forced to choose, nothing on playstation i really care for

[spiral mica]

ah ok ty

[teal geyser]

Yes get an Xbox to play all the games you could already play

[wet crown]

Odd. I'd go the other way.

[indigo shale]

but thats besides the point, i think all games should be available for most if not all platforms at launch, no reason not too imo

[spiral mica]

Playstation>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any other console

[lucid geode]

except there are plenty of reasons from the company's side of things

[spiral mica]

remember PS1 era Squarsoft? I miss that shit so much

[balmy mesa]

let's face it, 14 would literally not have had the success it has had so far if SE didn't do the sweetheart deal with Sony in the XI era

[wet crown]

I only have a Switch because of IP exclusivity. I'd only use my PC otherwise.