retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[rough kestrel]

[somber storm]

[torpid yoke]

i mean you should do it anyways for the logs

even if you're mad at something you should do it JUST in case it becomes important later

[open verge]

Only reason I didn’t do it is because I thought I had to run the raid

[carmine basin]

According to garland, there's 6

[torpid yoke]

it would have said to use the raid finder to enter the copied factory

[open verge]

Wasnt paying attention

[rough kestrel]

@carmine basin Can I read their text on Garland?

[open verge]

Oh btw they should do this again with raids

[carmine basin]

Yeah but don't spoil it here

It also doesn't include Konogg's messages

[open verge]

Being able to explore 24 man raids solo is something I’ve wanted forever.

[torpid yoke]

explorer mode prob will be updated so we can

[rough kestrel]

Are you sure the portable Archive info cant be found on Garland?

[lucid geode]

What if it unlocks something vital?

Like... a minion

[rough kestrel]

If this leads to like

Nier weapon glams, which would be very Nier, that'd be fine too

[clever flume]

granted i'm by no means a smart person but if those are on garland, i can't find them

[rough kestrel]

Fair enough, I just wondered, since it's all text, maybe it's embedded somewhere

||Looking on Garland, these quests seem to be branching as they go on||

[carmine basin]

You can probably find it if you datamine yourself, but since it's on Collection, garland doesn't seem to have it on their category

[clever flume]

it might be on gamerescape

[dawn wave]

not getting nier weapon glams from these raids was so disappointing even though i know there’s no precedent for alliance raid weapon drops lol

[rough kestrel]

There's like endings you only get by having all weapons

and the weapons themselves unlock lore as they're used (if I recall)

[wet crown]

[carmine basin]

If there were rewards tied to the weekly quest, it would be in datamine

[clever flume]

^ yeah i think its pretty safe to say that's not gonna happen

unless they decide to add extra stuff to it in 5.55

[carmine basin]

Anything that's not accounted so far doesn't fit Nier at all

[clever flume]

unless you think like cruise chaser is going to be the reward x)

[rough kestrel]

No but I am starting to suspect they're witholding something until .55

[indigo shale]

It could be stuff they are going to add in 5.55 and not added in before hand to stop people trying to ruin shit by data mining

[rough kestrel]

Whether it's anything important who knows, but I do think there is something.

[gaunt star]

My advice is don’t expect anything beyond “a potential” conclusion to the raid story

[clever flume]

concur

[rough kestrel]

Yeah no I'm not like expecting a raid or anything huge, but this is going somewhere.

[dawn wave]

10 weeks?

[clever flume]

aya found 6 messages

[gaunt star]

I’m satisfied with what we got from this raid series overall. Some of the best glams/minions/orchestrion rolls in the game

[rough kestrel]

After week 2 it branches off to another weekly and then has an on going story.

[dawn wave]

even 6 weeks seems like a terribly long time to drag out a conclusion to a raid story without any reward at the end

[carmine basin]

4 weeks left of quests if we get a new one evey week. 3 repeatable quests

Seems each repeatable quests is done 2 times based on this week and last

[dawn wave]

wait was there more than 1 quest for week 1..?

[rough kestrel]

No I dont think so?

[carmine basin]

We helped doomsaying dwarf last week and this week

Next week is ||dour dwarf|| (spoiler for this week)

[dawn wave]

okay, i was worried that i missed something. i haven’t done this week’s repeatable yet

[clever flume]

i assume with him we'll go into the bunker

and then the third will be into the tower

[carmine basin]

We can't access the tower though right

[rough kestrel]

Tower's gone yo

[clever flume]

oh right

forgot no tower derp

[dawn wave]

oh that explains why we can’t go back in :( i wanted to gpose there more

[rough kestrel]

@carmine basin Am I reading this right that today's unlocks both of these?

[clever flume]

Pls SE give 24mans explorer mode

yes

you can't do the 2nd one this week though, that'll most likely be next week's weekly

[rough kestrel]

Like why not just make it a beast tribe if it's basically a beast tribe.

[carmine basin]

||That's next week. This week is Dwarves of a Beard||

[rough kestrel]

Yeah

So every 1/2 weeks it branches out to another weekly? or are the weeklies replacing eachother?

[clever flume]

replacing most likely

and then once all of the weeklies are unlocked, it most likely just rotates. that's how the beast tribes work

[wet crown]

Dialogue makes it seem to replace

[somber storm]

Definitely replacing

[rough kestrel]

||The last quest seems like it's still building to something||

[wet crown]

[balmy mesa]

what is All That Grinds Is Not Gloom?

[rough kestrel]

The current weekly

[balmy mesa]

what was last week's?

I suspect it's rotating, because of the multiple dialogue choices

cos I got asked, if either I wanted to go Copied Factory, or whatever the other one was

[rough kestrel]

Yeah same, but I chose copied, it doesnt sound like anyone went to puppets

[balmy mesa]

ngl though, Copied Factory is really quite pretty

[carmine basin]

Both are copied I think

[carmine basin]

This right?

[rough kestrel]

Yeah

[carmine basin]

I picked first and got copied, so just a different way of saying it

[rough kestrel]

[balmy mesa]

have you guys tried doing this with no UI?

[torpid yoke]

i still think cruise chaser could be feast mount since this season ends in 5.55

[carmine basin]

Bunker isn't deep in the tunnels btw, considering we can see it if we fly above

[balmy mesa]

yeah def can do with no UI

[clever flume]

pretty sure this feast's reward is the recolour of the previous' seasons, it do be how they usually roll

since also theres files for a second set

[rough kestrel]

I dont want to talk about the Shadowcleave set and its class free status

[carmine basin]

Someone datamined the list of moogle tome rewards right

[rough kestrel]

I'm upset, one fucking set of armor with no class limitations and it's locked behind PVP

[clever flume]

the fanfest one is on garland

[balmy mesa]

not all of them, I think, but I can't be sure

[clever flume]

lore got added as well but can't see the rewards for that

[torpid yoke]

i meant the reward after this season

[clever flume]

would be weird for thos rewards to be already be in

[torpid yoke]

wa

[clever flume]

like feast rewards are not usually added super early ahead like that

[balmy mesa]

isn't shadowkeeper a new set for feast?

[clever flume]

shadowcleaver and stalker yes

[balmy mesa]

then a recolour would come for season 20?

[torpid yoke]

recolor is this season

[carmine basin]

Ok I can see the rewards now. So many items

[clever flume]

18 is shadowstalker, 19 will be cleaver

20 will be something else

[carmine basin]

Hell yea

[balmy mesa]

do we know how long the fanfest event will last? I honestly can't see it being exclusively for that weekend

[carmine basin]

S-so many to farm....

[torpid yoke]

and then feast gets deleted in 6.0 QuQ

[crystal arrow]

the shadowcleaver set is cool enough i'm gonna give ranked feast a try

i'm on crystal so it shouldn't be too hard anyways

[torpid yoke]

crystals floor rn is 1186

[crystal arrow]

yeah, not crazy high

[torpid yoke]

and their floor last season was 2000

[crystal arrow]

and besides it's something different to do besides DR spam

[drowsy belfry]

Did the loottable for the fanfest stuff drop?

O founbd it

[carmine basin]

Lol was about to reply

[drowsy belfry]

UGH how dare they not make the Kamuy's I NEED available

[wet crown]

Share the loot, plox?

[drowsy belfry]

https://www.garlandtools.org/db/#item/33329

[carmine basin]

https://garlandtools.org/db/#list/VeoRI6mTc3

[wet crown]

280 tomes...Waaah.

Fuck it. I'll just get Susano's and Lakshmi's doge the old fashioned way.

still 180

[serene crest]

That great serpent ring tho

[drowsy belfry]

I already got those 3 😦 they should've made it Suzaku, Tsukuyomi and Seiryu's specifically so I don't have to grind them

SPECIFICALLY FOR ME

[carmine basin]

Suzaku and Tsukuyomi is gonna be annoying with PF, but Seiryu is easy

[wet crown]

just wait for 6.0

[distant sonnet]

Are mounts team feast only? Or solonranks count too. I never knew

[drowsy belfry]

I got exactly 8 clears with Suzaku while I was on my farming kick, people can NOT do Suzaku

[balmy mesa]

cos bird needs to go to horny jail

[carmine basin]

Is it the birds or the exploding panels Hedge

[drowsy belfry]

Birds surprisingly

[balmy mesa]

always the damn birds

[carmine basin]

Those ppl probably got carried to a clear and/or never watched the guide, it's simple and only need a simple coordination with other DPS

[drowsy belfry]

Speaking of farming for mounts, I wanna like farm Titania and Innocence for Gwibbers

I don't have a Dragon yet

[carmine basin]

Innocence is really easy, Titania would be as frustrating as Suzaku

[distant sonnet]

Titania is super frustrating, for sure.

[balmy mesa]

brambles is the worst part

[drowsy belfry]

I wanna see about memeing around July or so just going through the EXs in Shadowbringers

[distant sonnet]

Innocence you can just blindly power through.

[wet crown]

I'm waiting until Lv.90 before I farm dragos

[distant sonnet]

Hades isn't usually too bad because somehow most pugs comprehend black rose

[carmine basin]

You can skip the knockback in adds phase now with good dps in Titania, it's usually the lightning tether that kills

[drowsy belfry]

Funnily enough @gaunt star has been telling me Titania is piss easy nowadays

[balmy mesa]

aahhh
(I had massive issues with the brambles bit back when I attempted it - just positioning myself correctly)

[wet crown]

Wonder if Anima will be the weapon primal

[carmine basin]

If it's the spreading brambles, the safe spots are set, so you can watch a guide if you can't find it. It's just a matter of seeing where it spawns

[wet crown]

We could get some really epic weapon glamour out of her. Thinking like...chains wrapped around the weapon. And once we get the crafted version, they'll have this grey and black smoke swirling around. Maybe even some lightning sparks.

[distant sonnet]

Lightning tether Ive never had problems with. Just brambles, and then more brambles in phase 3 when people screw up the water puddles

She'll be at like 4% health and brambles get lit and we all die.

[late aurora]

Monk glam would be the lower half’s fists

[balmy mesa]

BDSM gear

[brisk quail]

Seriyu is such a fun trial

[balmy mesa]

gimp suit for maiming

[brisk quail]

Honestly it was one of my first EXs I legit progged.

[carmine basin]

Seiryu music slaps

[brisk quail]

So it has a special place in my heart.

[balmy mesa]

lots of zippers from anima

[brisk quail]

That and uhh.... SWIMMING IN RAID

[late aurora]

All the memes in Seiryu get me everytime

[balmy mesa]

ooh, that could be the totem
zippers

[brisk quail]

Swimming as a mechanic

[carmine basin]

Shinryu tho. You kill Zenos' eggs and then climbs his tail while he shoots projectile from his wings

[brisk quail]

The land the land ✊ ✊

Angry water guy slaps a rock

[bold condor]

https://twitter.com/Mcstronghuge/status/1383872806010580999

Denmo (@Mcstronghuge)

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[torpid yoke]

denmo is gr8

[forest magnet]

i don't get it

[severe brook]

beautiful

[severe brook]

Moonbase Alpha only allows text to speech communications
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv6RbEOlqRo

[placid sail]

I can't wait for all the Moonbase Alpha memes during Endwalker

[dusk drift]

John Madden John Madden John Madden John Madden John Madden John Madden John Madden John Madden John Madden John Madden

[maiden lodge]

(was piss easy at launch)

[severe brook]

here comes another Vylbrandian earthquake
brbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbr

[kind lark]

aeiou

[torpid yoke]

and sometimes

Y

[pine epoch]

Aeiou

[severe brook]

john van madden

[stiff charm]

john zos madden

[severe brook]

john yae madden jr.

[kind lark]

aeiou

[severe brook]

question mark
exclamation point
question mark
exclamation point

[oak pike]

john madden

[maiden lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-bunny-im-out-gif-9335421

[pine epoch]

You know what I find funny, Diamond weapons from Sigmascape names were not changed

and instead Diamond Weapons Weapons are named Diamond Zeta

[maiden lodge]

It's funnier because Shiva's Diamond Weapons were changed for Sigmascape.

[pine epoch]

I know right

Raid Weapons have name priority it seems x3

whats funny about this, is that im now thinking about Anima the trial weapons. and Anima Weapons the relic

"Im gonna go farm Anima"

[maiden lodge]

eyes Animus weapons also being sketchy

[distant sonnet]

In before Anima is an Anima weapon.

[heady shadow]

inb4 anima's weapons are something with Fayth

[distant sonnet]

Zenoses Anima Weapon. "Not long after the Dragonsong war we captured this little shit on his way back from Azys Lla.."

[subtle pasture]

I understand Sigma weaps keeping it bc the whole gear tier is the Diamond attire,

That said, coulda just added another word to the O8S weapons and called it a day

[maiden lodge]

Rowena: "We're going to make a fortune selling anima weapons after you've researched this."

Fandaniel: "You'd be surprised what you can accomplish with money."

[subtle pasture]

Waiting for the inevitable House of Splendors-House Brutus contract

[crystal arrow]

now we have zeta weapons, and diamond zeta weapons

[crystal arrow]

nero helping us with "amalgam" weapons

[maiden lodge]

In the case of DIamond Zeta though, I think the Zeta is a reference to how the project name for Diamond is 'Zenos'

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, that was definitely the impression I got

[clever flume]

this is also assuming anima is even going to be the weapon ex trial for 6.0. could be the one that gives accessories

[heady shadow]

im really just going by how they presented Titania and innocence. but i became aware that for stormblood they showed Lakshimi first then susanoo

apparently?

[maiden lodge]

There's no pattern.

[wet crown]

Susano and Titania had the weapons, Lakshmi and Innocence accessoires.

That's about as pattern-y as it is

[clever flume]

Yeah, but there's nothing to say that Anima is going to be in the same spot as Titania and Susano as the first leveling trial.

being shown off first at fanfest =/= its gonna be first leveling trial

[wet crown]

wonder if they gave Innocence the accessoires because they were already planning out Elidibus and didn't want a thematic weapon overlap so soon

[heady shadow]

I mean by when they revealed who was who in the fanfests

ugh im probably not explaining my thought train correctly T^T

[clever flume]

your thought is understood correctly. but as i said, you can't go by fanfest reveals. since they haven't been consistent with that

[heady shadow]

ah okay. what was.... HW's thing btw?

[clever flume]

looking at an old post that was made before the final ShB Fanfest, they were both revealed at the EU fanfest for HW

[lament breach]

I'm ready, hit me with that Anima EX

[wet crown]

Someone said earlier than Bismark was revealed before Ravana.

[heady shadow]

ah okay.
Also Whale no you arent. the power of Bondage mom is too much

[wet crown]

Which I find questionable, since Bismark is the first one to be introduced in the story.

[clever flume]

nope, they were shown together at london

[late aurora]

but is fought later

[clever flume]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETQY3OGnotA&t=1925s

[wet crown]

well, both came with weapons

which they wanted to avoid in SB

[clever flume]

starts with bismark and then shows ravana

so technically yes, bismark was revealed before ravana but they weren't split up like the other reveals

[wet crown]

Honestly, I hope we get another XIV original primal...or boss.

[heady shadow]

i mean we did in titania and innocence?

[wet crown]

I meant that I love it when the devs do something original instead of just pulling something from another game

[heady shadow]

oh right

well we are gonna get that for the 24man so please look forward toit

[wet crown]

If it's SIlvertear Lake, then the whole mystery could be over in a matter of seconds. Just have to ask Middy about it.

[ember tulip]

i am dumb and thought i did yorha weekly last week...can somebody spoil me what is revealed on week 2?

[heady shadow]

I dont think middy knows anymore then it must be protected

actually the whole silvertear thing could be just oh this is where the heart of Hydaelyn(venat) is

[wet crown]

But...Then the mystery would be over in 5.56

[pine epoch]

cause we go to silvertear lake in 5.56

I honestly believe the mystery is about something obscure enough that only a handful would remember.

[heady shadow]

I blame Xelion and Pash for my change of gears

[distant sonnet]

Hey, Middy. Whats up with Silvertear?
Tis the planet's cloaca.

.... okay.

[mighty light]

Oh no

[wet crown]

Would explain why the whole map is so shit

[pine epoch]

No adrastia don't do this, this is the internet! Saying such things! You don't know what your doing!

[distant sonnet]

[heady shadow]

but yeah, my gears changed from silvertear to maybe Pash's idea of the 3 Horns

[wet crown]

There's not many mysteries left unanswered

What else could it be but Silvertear? Ramuh's connection to Rhalgr? Meh.

[distant sonnet]

Something with the Elementals? Fucks up with those?

[kind lark]

How are lalafells born?

[pine epoch]

I fight the silvertear thing because the Presence doesn't exist and its been covered up as a Place very close to the lifestream so bunch of aether comes out of it like a Well.

I mean presence exist in my heart and I want it to return.

[clever flume]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bopP68H40Pw

that is how lalafels are born

[distant sonnet]

Physical entrance to the farplane lifestream.

[clever flume]

also how you get roegadyns

[kind lark]

how many bones are there in a elezen's neck?

[clever flume]

same as a hyur's, they're just longer

[distant sonnet]

Poor elezen have an extra femur up there.

[heady shadow]

hmm i seem to recall a real country that makes women put rings on their necks to stretch their necks out

[maiden lodge]

As an aside.

sweats in RDM

[clever flume]

Kayan is the notable culture that does it

[heady shadow]

yeah them.

[torpid yoke]

....I'm guessing limit cut?

[mighty light]

Limit what

[maiden lodge]

Nope.

Flares.

And then autos

[torpid yoke]

Kek

[lime estuary]

We're supposed to find something out about Silvertear this patch arent we? Or like, in part 2 I suppose.

I think I saw a shot of it in the trailer.

[teal geyser]

Yes, part 2

[gaunt star]

My opinion? Hydaelyn is going to manifest herself as a Ysayle look a like (save money you know) and joins the party in physical form in order to stop Zodiark with us at the cost of her life, thus ending the ascian’s grip over the star

[severe brook]

i don't know if it'll be all of Hydaelyn, but Venat may have ejected herself to act more directly

[turbid aspen]

elf ancient
elf ancient

[teal geyser]

Elf mommy
Elf mommy

[mighty light]

Oh no

[turbid aspen]

oh yes

[torpid yoke]

Would make more sense for her to look like minfillia

[gaunt star]

Not if she uses ancient/elezen proportions

[strange wing]

Thigh eyes

[mighty light]

In before she looks like Moenbryda.

[open verge]

We might get the job action trailer at e3

I think endwalker will be shown at e3 somehow Atleast

[turbid aspen]

e3 still exists?

[placid sail]

they'll reserve the job action trailer for the media tour

[dim sigil]

E3 will just have a big spoiler filled trialer like shb did

[placid sail]

I just watched Ending E of Drakengard 1... that bell motif is straight from that fight, no wonder people were freaking out at that

[open verge]

What media tour

Idk if they will even be a media tour with covid lmao

[placid sail]

oh you're right, they might not have a media tour this year

[torpid yoke]

What do you mean?

[open verge]

A spoiler filled trailer

[placid sail]

that was when the game released just a few weeks after E3

but it won't this year

[open verge]

That trailer was pretty hype

[torpid yoke]

@open verge in what sense

[placid sail]

the ShB trailer was so good

especially the stinger at the end

[open verge]

The emet selch bombshell was so fucking good

[placid sail]

my jaw just fucking DROPPED that they revealed that in the trailer

[open verge]

Man when yoshi p got a standing ovation has soon as he showed up

[placid sail]

and after that I had only one thought: "if they're primals, then who summoned them?"

[open verge]

I can’t find the video

[tropic frigate]

https://youtu.be/CxHSSRjFH14

[placid sail]

I can only find Pat's restream of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsdDABAduFs

it's at the 1h10m mark roughly

[rough kestrel]

Was Hydaelyn being a Primal really that big of a shock? I was doing ARR and had already been thinking "How is she different from Primals, she's a thing made of Aether no?"

[torpid yoke]

Also job action trailer would be a little early if we got it during E3

[tropic frigate]

yea

[placid sail]

it's one of those things that in hindsight seem obvious, and it was a popular theory for a long time

the thing that was shocking was that they dropped it at the end of that trailer, with that kind of build up

and that it immediately raised a billion new questions, like: who summoned her then?

[digital radish]

yeah ..i think since Ifrit people kinda guessed she was a primal, maybe sooner

[rough kestrel]

Yeah "Who the fuck had that much power?"

[placid sail]

we could deduce that Zodiark was likely summoned by the Ascians, but then... what does that mean for the Ascians? who were they

[rough kestrel]

The master race, it would seem

[placid sail]

before that moment I don't think we really thought of the Ascians as being something that existed before Zodiark, I always assumed they were constructs that he created

there was no "before Hydaelyn and Zodiark"

basically by confirming that theory they just opened up a whole new realm of theories and speculations

[dim sigil]

The scene with emet telling us about hydelan and zodiark was in the trailer

[kind lark]

If the ew launch trailer shows that much imma skip it

[lime estuary]

I think Hyaelyn being a Primal wasn't really surprising to anyone who pays attention, BUT it could (and still can) have lead to some shocking implications.

[placid sail]

they're good at making trailers that don't really reveal much but if you want to go in absolutely blind

don't watch the gameplay trailer, yeah

[dusk drift]

tbf, the trailer looks like it's full of spoilers mostly because now all those random clips actually have context

[torpid yoke]

I can now appreciate all the clever cuts they did

[dim sigil]

Immediately after it really sucks when the trailer came out I should have known better though given Square Enix trailers

[kind lark]

Well then I'm going in blind

[dusk drift]

fair enough

[dim sigil]

When the scene happened in the game I literally could not care because it was already in the trailer

[placid sail]

I skipped the Stormblood trailer

and then immediately regretted it when people were spoiling the biggest reveal from it everywhere anyway

[torpid yoke]

The fact they showed amarout in the trailer yet I never noticed was great

[placid sail]

man yeah that was great, I assumed that was just a church on fire or something

[torpid yoke]

They also showed the tempest floor but literally for a single shot

[placid sail]

and a few frames of Eternal Breath

[torpid yoke]

Yea you gotta get off the internet till launch if you wanna avoid any and all spoilers

[dim sigil]

I like when people were spoiling other games stuff in other chats that had nothing to do with it

Like AAAAHHHHH

Of course I'm still going to watch all the trailers and complained that they spoiled stuff in the end Walker one it's an endless cycle

[torpid yoke]

I'm just realizing how many shots they took of amarout

They put it in there like 4 times

[placid sail]

I'll watch the Endwalker trailer 1000 times when it's out just like I do for every trailer

[open verge]

They do good with keeping things secret and red herrings

[placid sail]

yeah they're very good with red herrings, just rewatch old trailers to see how careful they edit things together to put you on the wrong track

[open verge]

I remember in 5.3 thinking thancred was gonna get badly hit by the specter guy

[kind lark]

when will the full version of ew trailer music be released?

[placid sail]

one of their favourite tricks is overlaying a line of dialogue with a scene of that character talking, but that's not the scene where they say that line at all

[open verge]

^

[placid sail]

there's already an official clean version of the EW teaser song but expect the full EW trailer in May, during the fanfest

[open verge]

They took a Eden savage only scene of gaia and stuck it into the trailer LOL

[dusk drift]

i remember seeing that shot with y'shtola doing her shield and thinking "oh great they're gonna pretend to kill her again"
and i was right, but not in the way i thought

[lime estuary]

Whats interesting is we hear Emet talking in the EW trailer dont we?

Wonder if there'll be some sort of flashback type thing where we see him again. Or if thats purely for the trailer

[dim sigil]

He is the narrator and I suspect you will still up here in flashbacks and there's still more to his story but he is dead

[lime estuary]

Ahh yeah, thats what id lean towards.

[open verge]

Bring may 15/16 fast man

I really want to see the next job 🙈🙈🙈🙈

[dim sigil]

The sytche speculation shall be missed

[open verge]

The live letter the day after they mess around with every job right?

[placid sail]

that's for the final liveletter before the expansion releases

which is usually right before the game releases

just... make sure you temper your expectations for the fanfest, they'll have a ton of announcements but a lot of the details are reserved for much closer to expansion release

[open verge]

I remember them being in Lakeland and messing around with dancer and gnb but can’t remember when that LL was

[placid sail]

fanfests are for keynotes, for big announcements

[open verge]

I want to see monk

monk job changes just tell me now

[kind lark]

You get a spirit bomb

[dim sigil]

Monk is now basiclly samurai two positionals

[pine epoch]

The live letter after fanfest keynote will usually be x.55 content, miscellaneous stuff that doesnt fit with 6.0. And then a month or 2 before 6.0 release we will get another Live Letter that goes in depth about 6.0 changes I think it usually happens after media tour. But no media tour.

[open verge]

Dammit!!!!

Guess we get zadnor though that’s cool

[torpid yoke]

He'll be narrating from the life stream

[stiff charm]

i hope hes just an edmont style narrator and not suddenly a lifestream buddy

[dim sigil]

Make laha the narrator

[kind lark]

we killed him so bad, he became our friend

[gaunt star]

Laheebread

[strange wing]

The WoL's axe is filled with empathy and common sense

[mighty light]

Empathy, maybe

[noble jetty]

does Krile have different dialogue if you've progressed far enough in Eureka, when referencing the Isle of Val (saying how Sharlayan's been a shadow of itself since the island's disappearance)?

[pulsar yacht]

iirc she referenced it but it was a single line of msq dialog

I barely noticed it and I've cleared ba

might not be remembering right though

it was about being students and the amount of sway they had

[pine epoch]

Line is the same if you've done eureka or if you haven't

[lime estuary]

I hate that i laughed at this.

[somber storm]

Lifestream unboxings

[noble jetty]

ok ty

[late aurora]

"How's it going everyone? It's ya boy M @ Selch and today we're gonna be-"

[rough kestrel]

I hate that.

[forest magnet]

m@selch

[mighty light]

She says the Students of Baldesion have been a shadow etc. etc., not Sharlayan

[wind bough]

She doesn’t have different dialogue. The end of Eureka doesn’t really change the situation.

The Students of Baldesion are still mostly gone, and Val is now on the opposite side of the world and not particularly habitable.

[thin crypt]

why is bahamut so weak

what ever happen to Nuke everything bahamut

[stiff charm]

lunar? probably less time and less prayers than the umbral calamity bahamut

dalamud bahamut had at least hundreds of years since he was imprisoned and gorged on aether by the meracydian dragons

lunar had way less time and less dragons i think

[thin crypt]

aint it the same bahamut tho

[drowsy belfry]

No

[stiff charm]

no, lunar bahamut is separate

[thin crypt]

[late aurora]

It’s called “Lunar” for a reason

[stiff charm]

it is the concept of bahamut but made a bit uhhhh spicy by something something fandaniel shenanigans

[drowsy belfry]

the Bahamut that destroyed the world was super charged by a rejoining and centuries of having prayer and aether being thrown his way

Lunar Bahamut is just a freshly summoned primal

[thin crypt]

disappointing

[teal geyser]

Lunar Bahamut is just a freshly summoned primal
by less dragons than calamity Bahamut

[thin crypt]

and here i thought they would nuke the game again

[dim sigil]

And lunar cannot temper for some reason

[late aurora]

Because it baby

[dim sigil]

I'm just happy we have a proper Bahamut Fight that you can actually do

[teal geyser]

just unsync coils 4Head

[dim sigil]

No one's gonna do synced coils

[teal geyser]

UCoB

[dim sigil]

We had a one-time solo Duty

And stuff that isn't hardcore content

[thin crypt]

im tired of wining can we lose already

[dim sigil]

I'm also glad they made it a dungeon boss instead of wasting a trial slot on it

I mean we kind of had our losing moment at the end of 5.0 for a bit

[stiff charm]

i expected it to be a solo instance but im glad i can look at its sick ass design for the next few weeks lol

[teal geyser]

Like, properly lose an expansion and not just a situation?

[dim sigil]

Any sane person would have taken feo uls offer

[teal geyser]

[dim sigil]

But now we decide to sneak out on our all in before getting caugut

[stiff charm]

judging by the poem i think we might "lose" in terms of publicity at least, considering how it says we need to "bear the scorn of our progeny"

[teal geyser]

Bold of you to assume that even refers to us and not the Ancients

[stiff charm]

like of course wol will win against hydiark/zenodiark/sound creature or whatever 90 trial is, but i could see it causing some repercussions

oh i guess it could be ancients lol didnt think of that

[dim sigil]

I kind of just want there to be a good amount of down time. Nothing crazy after 6.0

[teal geyser]

the scorning person could just be Fandaniel for an example

It fits

[dim sigil]

S'harylan gonna tell us to GTFO after we save the world

[stiff charm]

please i beg you give us an expansion that just fills out eorzea but redoes graphics and some outdated systems

[dim sigil]

I mean I don't know about a expansion of downtime but at least up to like .3

[teal geyser]

I would love an Eorzea revisited expansion yeah, give me shit like the Coerthan lowlands and stuff

[regal lantern]

I want to watch the world face another calamity like 1.0 did

[regal lantern]

This too, okay I want this a lot^

[dim sigil]

Let us go on fun adventures like when we went with Scarface dude

[teal geyser]

That man is dying and you can't even remember his name

[stiff charm]

permanent changes to areas would be cool but i doubt that will happen because of how mmo time bubble works

[stiff charm]

vvv moment

[regal lantern]

Most fun adventuring I had is lvl 1-14 quests (including side quests)

[regal lantern]

If only they made special zones that only higher lvls can enter

[dim sigil]

make carbon copies of A Realm Reborn zones but make them changed an updated and maybe time pass so they technically count as different zones but they are different but technically the same

[stiff charm]

oh yeah if they dont do an eorzea revisit then please at least do a proper arr revamp, not just cutting some quests but like outright rewriting some stuff and shortening or cutting entire mini arcs. it is actually impossible to get people into the game, every one of my friends who tries it hates it because they get stuck in the 16-35ish slog before coerthas where it picks up again

[late aurora]

Older gridania

[teal geyser]

That sounds like a looooooooot of effort for literal no change @dim sigil

Just change NPCs around at that point

[dim sigil]

Fine make it world of ruin

[regal lantern]

I heard wow had something like that

If wow being an older game can do it, why can’t ffxiv?

[stiff charm]

didnt wow just do arr but worse

[teal geyser]

When WoW did that it was basically our 1.0 -> 2.0 sooo, also WoW doesn't give a fuck about time bubbles last I checked

[dim sigil]

14 with it being more much plot focused you cant really just go and massively permanent change zones like that

[regal lantern]

Oh fair

But if FFXIV means to continue for another 10 year, they need some drastic changes to the game and upgrade it.

[crystal arrow]

not really?

[teal geyser]

Can do that without blowing the planet

[crystal arrow]

and besides they did that already with 2.0 yeah lul

[stiff charm]

they said they were considering some graphical upgrade at some point, tbh just a texture upscale is all that needs to happen for me to be satisfied, gshade makes the game gorgeous enough for me

my only issue is the environment textures grass is literally 3 pixels cmon

[clever flume]

also just because another game does one thing doesn't necessarily mean ffxiv can or should do it

[teal geyser]

I wish you could sharpen the game more in gshade without everything looking bad

[clever flume]

different code, different situations, etc etc

[stiff charm]

i just use clarity, sharp enough for me that way

[tulip geyser]

Wow USED to at least try and keep their time still and pretty much used Cata to at least let the main continents move forward a bit (BC and Wrath were stuck as they are). Then later they just gave up on time lol, and just said "some passed"

[crystal arrow]

the grass is just a lumpy mess 90% of the time and I hate it

[regal lantern]

People in the East are already complaining with the game’s system and prog system. After PSO2 new genesis, now Blue Protocol and also miHoYo saying to be working on an open world mmo, people are starting to complain of the monotonous ness of ffxiv, at least in Japan and China (dunno about korea)

[stiff charm]

i turn off parallax occlusion most of the time when in grassy areas so im not walking around in sponge

still a gross texture but at least it isnt lumpy for no reason

[torpid yoke]

I can tell you for a fact pso2 is even more monotonous

[crystal arrow]

oh that's what that does LOL

[stiff charm]

yeah some textures like bricks look nicer with it on but it ruins grass so much

[regal lantern]

Oh I know, I’m talking about new genesis, it’s a new engine

[torpid yoke]

Pso2 also abandons a bunch of their new mechanics and modes a bunch

[crystal arrow]

squenix will not remake the game in a new engine

[teal geyser]

I don't even trust SE to give us a not shit engine

SE has a baaaad track record with those

[torpid yoke]

From what I played of ngs it also will end up monotonous

[regal lantern]

Last I heard SE apparently isn’t really that concerned with upgrading or even spending too much on FFXIV, they’re moving on to other titles quickly

[teal geyser]

Don't fix what isn't broken? Especially when that not broken thing is fragile and will break if you try to fix it?

[regal lantern]

More like they don’t spend too much on the game anyway

[teal geyser]

That too

[regal lantern]

Just the bare minimum

[teal geyser]

Gotta fund FFXVI

[stiff charm]

honestly i wouldnt be surprised if touching texture resolution would cause limsa to become 3x its intended width and also lose collision because spaghetti code

[mighty light]

Plz gib

[dim sigil]

I guess I'm not the target audience for that kind of stuff but I genuinely do not understand the need for better graphics or whatever people complain I'd be fine if Graphics never progressed past 14 really

[mighty light]

Make the area surrounding Pagltha'an a full zone

[teal geyser]

Yeah there are dozens of places in Eorzea we never go to
Lowlands
Some Shroud sections
Beastmen areas
The Grand Wake
etc etc

[crystal arrow]

yknow what would be nice for a "eorzea expanded" expac

make the scale of cities/areas a bit better, get rid of some of the out of bounds zones in arr areas and make them accessible

[teal geyser]

get rid of some of the out of bounds zones in arr areas and make them accessible
Eh who gives a shit

[stiff charm]

and add smooth rock back

[crystal arrow]

yafaemi saltmarsh or whatever it's called

[mighty light]

My main issue with FFXIV's graphics is that they look dated, but that's an issue I have with everything that seems to be striving for a kind of realism rather than going for stylization. Borderlands 2 and Dishonored are never going to look 'truly' dated; Call of Duty: Cold War will be showing its age this time next year.

Going for full stylization*

FFXIV is still fully capable of looking gorgeous; Il Mheg is probably one of my favourite places in videogames

[teal geyser]

I don't really mind it outside of resolution issues and whatnot

[tropic frigate]

WoW looks like its built itself a style compared to xiv

[dim sigil]

I mean I still think o o o t original looks amazing so I probably I'm not the kind of person to go into graphics discussions

Feel like in terms of things being dated or whatever people say it's like yeah so? To me

[mighty light]

I mean I feel like the older something is the less I care about its graphics; I can play Super Mario 64 or V:tM:Bloodlines without getting taken out of it
It's mostly just the stuff that was clearly trying to be realistic, and which was probably viewed as being super realistic at the time, that bothers me

[tropic frigate]

i dont really mind graphics but they have to not be abysmal at least

like runescape is kinda where i'd be like no

xiv really is ugly in a bunch of places however

[stiff charm]

foggy limsa

[tropic frigate]

like i really wish mountains and stuff was done more uniquely

because its a bunch of the same looking stuff which looks ugly

like in uh lakeland and amh araeng

[regal lantern]

I really hope devs don’t forget about the fact that in Thavnair WoLs are a big deal and a legend told about to this day

[tropic frigate]

i wonder if they'll keep a record of them

[mighty light]

Fight me

[tropic frigate]

more specifically OSRS

[stiff charm]

i also hope devs dont forget thavnair glams

[tropic frigate]

but i wouldnt play runescape anyways regardless

[mighty light]

Valid

[dim sigil]

I'm curious to try other MMOs sometime somehow

[deft burrow]

time commitment

[heady shadow]

i played runscape long time ago

[carmine basin]

Don't, other MMO is grindy

Any game that is constantly updated is grindy to get people to keep playing long term

[somber storm]

All are grindy, FF14 just has less grind

[mighty light]

I don't mind Runescape's version of The Grind; it's very easy to have it open while you watch Netflix or something.

[carmine basin]

ff14 is still grindy if you want some rewards, but they do let returners do content quick as long as they have the gil/grinded gear before unsubbing

[teal geyser]

I remember my brother getting mining to level 99 or something one night to show off to his friends he can hit rocks very hard in the morning

[mighty light]

What a flex

[somber storm]

Crushing Rock like Yoda

[teal geyser]

I was confused and pleading him to stop, to this day I don't understand

[carmine basin]

Oh reminds me I botted ragnarok once since my brother botted too

[dusk drift]

but did he max out xp?

[teal geyser]

I do not know enough

[dusk drift]

what a scrub

[mighty light]

He did not max out XP in one night

That is physically impossible

[dusk drift]

not with that attitude it's not

[mighty light]

What

Wait
So if I believe it's impossible it's not impossible, but if I believe it isn't, it is
Or
Help

[dusk drift]

[mighty light]

// sounds of melting machinery

[teal geyser]

Kick reason to the curb and surpass the impossible

[forest magnet]

I love how Maelie's signature is on here too

[teal geyser]

more notable than the Ehll Tou changes at least

[forest magnet]

wait that signature changes?

[tropic frigate]

there was a signature?

[forest magnet]

also yes I'm a week behind I was busy lazy

[teal geyser]

Yeah at the start it's like, scratches with her claws and stuff and by the end she can actually write

also IIRC the background improves too

[forest magnet]

background?

[teal geyser]

Yes

[forest magnet]

background of what

[clever flume]

https://twitter.com/dreadwyrmtrance/status/1294883870110650368/photo/1

robby @ *ded* ⚠️5.5?⚠️ (@dreadwyrmtrance)

ehll tou's signature is really cute LOL...

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[heady shadow]

oh I never noticed

[teal geyser]

the turn in menu. I remember Yoshi P talking about it but I forgot the specifics

[clever flume]

her sig at max

[forest magnet]

her portrait changes definitely but idk what u mean by "background"

[teal geyser]

Maybe I'm wrong, I thought they said something about like, the quality improving to reflect the improvement in her crafting

btw what the fuck is this sig?

[clever flume]

its cursive

[teal geyser]

That is not her fucking name I swear to God

[mighty light]

I feel like the first word is her name, and then she got distracted and scribbled the rest

[somber storm]

Look Zhloe is a bit slow

[late aurora]

She got hungry in the middle of writing

[somber storm]

Can't get enough of the pineapple

[teal geyser]

I won't lie, for a loooong time I thought the pineapple pudding was some wink wink nudge nudge thing to something else and....to this day I'm still not sure if I'm missing something about it

[clever flume]

girl just like pineapple pudding, thats all it is

[crystal arrow]

can I just say that ehll tou is adorable

[heady shadow]

im like two weeks left for ehll tou which i could have finished months ago lol

[torpid yoke]

what you dont like pineapple puddin?

[teal geyser]

I...don't know, aside from pineapple what is in it? Also pretty sure she eats it expired

[stiff charm]

salt rock

[somber storm]

Don't forget pineapple juice

[heady shadow]

inb4 theres some ||sex|| joke to it.

.>

[unreal gale]

She sometimes eats non-expired pudding as well. There’s a dialogue in which she thinks the latest batch isn’t expired yet.

[coral thicket]

pineapple on pizza? 🤔

[somber storm]

Don't forget feeding the orphanage stale bread

[teal geyser]

Yeah but it's Zhloe so if she thinks it's not expired it probably is

[forest magnet]

it's only expired if it has mold on it 🙂

[mighty light]

I think the only joke is that she's horrifically overworked, underfunded, and understaffed, and is spending what little money she does have for herself on deserts

[teal geyser]

what a crack addict

[mighty light]

rip

[unreal gale]

True. I have no idea how to feel about her “plot.” It’s hard to care about her cause when she’s 24/7 in gag mode.

[mighty light]

Pineapple pudding: it's like ramen, but pudding, with pineapples

[heady shadow]

i mean im sure if she asked who could get a break or get funds but like....
i dunno...... just6 kinda seems sad?

[somber storm]

She is doing it for the kids

[teal geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-plot-boobs-shaking-bounce-gif-17032264
Plot?

[unreal gale]

The dude from Hildibrand’s quest gets a free house in Idyllshire, so I assume she could get some support if she reached out, ye.

[mighty light]

I mean there's getting an abandoned structure to live in and then there's running an orphanage in what is effectively a frontier town by yourself

[teal geyser]

Oh speaking of custom deliveries, was I the only one disappointed by the lack of plot of the lady that works with Mr Pig?

[mighty light]

You were not the only one
Kinda expected there to be more to that

[somber storm]

Don't forget running an orphanage in the same building as a tavern

[heady shadow]

you mean the guy who ran off because he didnt want to take part in the nhadam?

[mighty light]

Did we ever even figure out why she was in hiding

[teal geyser]

I frankly don't remember I thought it was gil related, she stole money from the person she worked for but she certainly doesn't seem rich?

[teal geyser]

You mean because he didn't want to lead his own tribe, at least IIRC

[torpid yoke]

....those in between frames

[gaunt star]

did they ever explain what the deal is with Diamond Weapon's beast form

[forest magnet]

well ifrit is demon-like and au ra have demonic features

that's all i can think of

[late aurora]

Ruby weapon fast and red, you what else is red? Ifrit

[heady shadow]

I would have to redo the quests because i dont remember at all lol

[teal geyser]

I'm 90% sure the exact reasoning was "as heir to the most powerful tribe of the steppe people kept trying to assassinate me so I fucked off"

[gaunt star]

i was thinking that cause it's attacks are "Auri X" it's maybe like, an Au Ra related thing?

[forest magnet]

Has nobody datamined the Konogg letters because the collection data is coded differently and actually isn't text so it's harder to datamine or something

[torpid yoke]

probably

[torpid yoke]

speeeeeed.

It's probably a evangelion reference

[wind bough]

Doesn’t much resemble anything from Eva except...maybe vaguely mass-produced evas?

[stiff charm]

its kinda like eva 01 going berserk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdmmYRPz1i0

i just wish it had the scary mouth thing

[stiff charm]

the attacks are most likely based on alfonses own stuff, as vvv says himself the combat data is based on alfonses

[forest magnet]

Alfonses' ultimate attack is to turn into ifrit 🙃

[turbid aspen]

Ifrita was just an au ra girl with orange horns

[gentle temple]

Ifrita probably looked like that concept art for fem Au Ra.
Except on fire.

[turbid aspen]

OH YES

[gentle temple]

Unless Laha was way freakier than we give him credit for and she just looked like regular Ifrit with a bow.
He might have been a scaley.

[stiff charm]

still mad we were robbed of goth dragon mommy gfs

[somber storm]

Big tiddy lizard

[deft burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/ffxiv-ff14-namazu-heard-you-talkin-shit-gif-15779424

[shell merlin]

anyone able to explain the neir raid storyline a bit

like why did anogg leave/disappear i think i skipped dat shit

[mighty light]

She left between the second raid and the third raid because she blamed herself for what happened. It seems that rather than just running away, though, she was looking for a way to fix it. She left after the third raid, by going through the big hole in the sky, because they needed someone on the other side to close it.

[shell merlin]

@mighty light ahh ok ty

[dim sigil]

So there is still some kind of fuckery going on with these drawfs

[torpid yoke]

welcome to the yoko taro writing style where you get exposited at at the end

[gaunt star]

This wouldn’t have happened if og Devola and Popola had been competent enough to kill you know who

[subtle pasture]

What’s the command that Diamond does when it sheds its armor again, Code Chi-Xi-Omega?

[teal geyser]

They were too nice 😦

[torpid yoke]

something like that

the first two are correct anyways

[gaunt star]

Look at the lesson that niceness taught them

[subtle pasture]

Code Chi-Xi-Stigma, there we go

[torpid yoke]

might i say, Male characters made off like bandits when it came to the gear this time

[gaunt star]

Males got replicant Nier’s armor, and resistance armor, Females got twins gear and Anemone’s cloak

It evens out in the end in my opinion

[torpid yoke]

we didnt get replicant niers armor?

[gaunt star]

The tank armor is basically the yorha version of his armor without the added furs/patterns

That armor plus the headband from the first raid = Nier replicant

[torpid yoke]

its really not though

[subtle pasture]

Wait Chi-Xi-Stigma means the number of the beast (aka 666)— or such is the most common result google is spitting back

Wow Diamond gets weirdly biblical for that one mechanic

[torpid yoke]

evangelion pash

It lines up even more

[subtle pasture]

Okay now I understand the Evangelion comparison, fair ‘nough

[torpid yoke]

that plus berserk eva

[subtle pasture]

Well, only as far as they’re both feral humanoids with biomechanical origins— which is to say, not unique to EVA, tbf

[late aurora]

Okay, 666 + becoming an Ifrit makes total sense now

[mighty light]

Males and females both got twin gear, didn't they

[torpid yoke]

yes

males get cooler anemone goggles and a cooler chest too

they made off like bandits

[subtle pasture]

That said, I think I did on some level know that mechanic is essentially named “Code 666,”

But really the strongest Eva association I got was the, uh... main body of the core looking like an Entry Plug

The one Gaius extracts the memory core from and then has to...

[brazen stag]

But can you make the Jackass glam?

[torpid yoke]

yes

without the hood

[paper sleet]

What’s the Jackass glam?

Johnny Knoxville or Steve-o?

[subtle pasture]

To be more specific it's kinda just the general resistance droid attire, Jackass is just a fan favorite character for her dry wit and being, well, a jackass

But her outfit is shared in the Obsolete Android sets of Aiming/Striking/Scouting

[placid sail]

ohh so that's what those sets are based on

[pastel coyote]

Wait it's a dayli quest for nier or weekly ?

[placid sail]

weekly

no idea why it's weekly

baed on the first two weeks it's something that would've been perfectly fine as just a small quest chain after the raid

[balmy mesa]

it's just Yoko Taro up to his old tricks

[placid sail]

[spiral wagon]

what in the fuck is going on over there

[pastel coyote]

hmmmm ok the quest start to look interesting

[deft burrow]

getting smacked

[pastel coyote]

About the reason it's weekly and not dayli well..... maybe it's really long and they want to take their time with it (given that we have to wait for 5.55 you know)

[gaunt star]

What’s the name of the music that plays during the final boss of the final NieR raid?

[placid sail]

Kainé's Theme (Final Fantasy version)

[gaunt star]

Thanks. What about the first phase’s music? (If what you sent is phase 2’s)

[placid sail]

the first phase is Possessed by Disease

[gaunt star]

Thank you

[red talon]

What do you think are the chances Sharlayan actually gets off its ass and h elps us?

[rain onyx]

I'm imagining it like America during the World Wars. They won't help until near the end to get credit /s

[carmine basin]

I'd imagine it's a small group in Sharlayan who understands how dire it is that helps us, while the majority doesn't want anything to do with us

[rough kestrel]

Chances are big, because it'll be a hub and a major plot point. The WoL coming to knock on their door saying "HEY, I KNOW YOU'RE IN THERE" will get those stuffy old fucks off their asses.

[wind bough]

Sharlayan political conflict in 6.0

[rough kestrel]

It ends with a poisoning at dinner and somebody getting their arm chopped off. Like all good dinner parties in Eorzea.

[wind bough]

99 members in the Forum, parliament debates let's go.

[rough kestrel]

They should turn it into a Trial where the boss is the head honcho and all the mechanics are like making points and counter points with your 7 companions.

[pastel coyote]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/bFWhoe8AeZE/maxresdefault.jpg

[rough kestrel]

Warrior of Light: Point: I can fucking destroy you all if you dont help us.

[rain onyx]

of 100 Members in the Forum, 99 of Parliament were impressed.

[red talon]

Queen Brahne was not impressed

[wind bough]

Nyunkrepf Nyunkrepfsyn's ghost was not impressed.

[rough kestrel]

I could totally see them doing some kind of FF9 nod though like that, maybe not in MSQ but as like an extended side quest

I bet Sharlayan is going to feel like Amaurot.

[red talon]

Knockoff Amaurot

[rough kestrel]

I had this thought while running one of those old 60 dungeons where the architecture reminded me greatly of Amaurot and their culture sounds similar in terms of focusing on scholarly pursuits. So I can totally see a few bombshells where they go "Actually we know a good bit about that ancient city, more than anyone else on The Source anyway, it was a sort of inspiration"

And then we go "Actually we've totally seen the real place, or a recreation of it and learned about the people that lived there"

Sharlayan: [Surprised Pikachu Face]

I totally imagine something like that happening.

[lucid geode]

more like <sneering look of doubt>

[rough kestrel]

Probably yeah

[somber storm]

Amaurot deniers

[kind lark]

Amaurot is like atlantis

[rough kestrel]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Z7Oc-pstqpc/maxresdefault.jpg

'Ah yes, Amaurot'

[lucid geode]

I literally came here to contain my hype for the legendary edition

[rough kestrel]

I'm sorry Cypher, I know that feel.

[lucid geode]

And now you do this

[somber storm]

"I'm the Warrior of Light and this is my favourite store in Sharlayan"

[red talon]

I just now realized that the Turian councilmember is doing airquotes, they just look different because he has less fingers than a human

[lucid geode]

If the store that sells all the tomestone stuff requires me to say that for a discount then I am in

[rough kestrel]

The Warrior of Light Indoctri- Tempering theory.

[red talon]

I still believe that we're in some capacity tempered by Hydaelyn

[balmy mesa]

Rowena is the real primal all along

[rough kestrel]

Rowena can be summoned if you gather enough money, and then enslaves you to her. So yes she is infact a Primal.

[red talon]

The Ascians had the echo and were tempered by Zodiark, though keeping much of their free will in the process. I find it hard to believe that being touched by and talking to Hydaelyn several times has no effect on us at all

[lucid geode]

Yeah, I'm actually kind of confused that none of the scions ever openly talked about that theory

It seems like a very obvious assumption, even if it turns out to be wrong

[red talon]

I was hoping that it'd get brought up at the end of 5.5 when someone mentioned Hydaelyn

[rough kestrel]

I mean at the end of the day everything we do is ultimately in service to her, and its second nature to us. Just like how the Ascians moved for Zodiark's benefit.

It already has been brought up, just not openly stated.

I have a strong feeling Y'shtola was testing the waters but eventually is going to be like "Okay so, we need to be sure"

[lucid geode]

I mean to be fair, they could all just keep us out of the loop because well... tempering and all

[rough kestrel]

It's probably why she wont tell us what she' upto with Krile

We're just gonna wake up one night in our home/inn surrounded by the Scions and a porxie.

"THANCRED, TIE THEM DOWN"

[lucid geode]

Kinky

[red talon]

Nah, they'll aks Tataru to do that, remember when she hired some goons to restrain us while she took our measurements?

[rough kestrel]

I could totally forsee a scenario in which the moment our character becomes "aware" of the idea of them being tempered, we get weird meta shit happening where the game forces us to be unable to respond in certain ways.

Or to not act in certain ways.

Maybe nothing super major, but little things that make you go huh

[lucid geode]

I think that would only happen if we actually decided to act against Hydaelyn

[rough kestrel]

It'd be some shit

If Venat showed up to be like "Hey so, shit's whack and you ARE tempered, but I can't do anything about it, I just thought you should know, though I have some ideas"

[somber storm]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/mv0lvo/spoiler_55_in_ffxiv_it_is_now_lore_appropriate_to/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[obsidian pagoda]

Me when tanking anything for the first time

[distant sonnet]

This could be really damn cool.

[crystal arrow]

that'd be really neat, I dig it

tbh that's kiinda why I hope we're tempered, for a moment like that

[balmy mesa]

seems like some yoko taro shit though

[somber storm]

Tfw we still have the blessing of light shield thing on the Rising Stones

[lunar hound]

listening to Possessed by Disease on YT gives me a further appreciation for the False Idol boss...

[cinder badger]

Imagine reaching the final boss in 6.0 and are greeted with "Welcome Moon and Star. Come to me through fire and war!"

[wet crown]

I don't get the reference

[pine epoch]

Dagoth ur

Morrowind

[cinder badger]

"I'm a God! How can you kill a God? What a grand and intoxicating innocence!"

[iron scaffold]

Famous last words

[tulip geyser]

Hours late but I was really feeling that Puppet Looking Away meme energy about the whole affair there

[teal geyser]

yes

[teal geyser]

https://youtu.be/iR-K2rUP86M

[signal solar]

come sweet nerevar, be it friend or foe

[wet crown]

wtf did I just watch

[strange wing]

Please refer to the 8 Hour Morrowind Deep dive for more information

[pine epoch]

It's an amazing thing you watch and a part of culture

[strange wing]

It's also a great intro seeing that was thr first ES thing I watched/experienced

[mighty light]

Warrior of Light achieving Amaranth like

[turbid aspen]

“NO!”
“STOP!”
“this is the end”
“the bitter, bitter end”

[gaunt star]

I wish we had combination magic

[viscid monolith]

What's that

[torpid yoke]

Like?

[gaunt star]

Technically we made spells in morrowwind

[torpid yoke]

Wa

[gaunt star]

Ya

[torpid yoke]

@valid robin gonna be called judge because:
gaius new attack means yellow death and gaius old abilities relate to that I guess
Telotek reapers are prominent in the new dungeon
Judge themed armor added in 5.4

[gaunt star]

If it gets me his theme, ill take it

[torpid yoke]

It wouldn't get you his theme

[gaunt star]

GIB

[maiden lodge]

Gaius's attack does mean Yellow Death, but it's a reference to Julius Gaius Caesar, whose sword was named Yellow Death.

[gaunt star]

FGO.jpg

[mighty light]

Also it was a deadly attack that was yellow

[maiden lodge]

yeahhhhh.... but also much of FFXIV's Garlemald stuff is named after the dynasty of Gaius, Titus, Gaius, Livia, Junius, Nero, Maximus, Nerva, and so on. Gaius having an attack named after the sword used by his namesake is expected.

[mighty light]

Yeah, I did mean that as an "also," not as a correction

[maiden lodge]

Fair

It's better than the names for other X abilities.

"It's fire!"
"It's wind!"
"It's an end!"

[mighty light]

"It's a language nobody spe--wait"

I'm still mildly amused by landing the final blow on Hades with Despair

Like
The Sensible Chuckle(TM)(CR)

[brazen stag]

I studied 4 years of ancient Latin and barely remember a dang thing, I was not the best student but still managed to pass the placement test.

It REALLY helped my english vocabulary and my english grades went up though...

[severe brook]

if anything, i wonder if they're setting up Gaius to have an inverse of his namesake; with him returning to the capital to make the Empire a Republic

[brazen stag]

Heh heh

[plain plover]

to understand why was alfonse turned into diamonds core?

[late aurora]

FOR SCIENCE!!!

[turbid helm]

That's basically me in University

[subtle pasture]

Valens wanted to solve the issue of Oversoul killing the pilot,

So he used a dummy pilot already in the core

[mighty light]

Swear to god if Garlemald still exists at the end of this and has not been made a republic I'm going to be grumping in this channel for years to come
Please look forward to it

[plain plover]

he mentioned about it being unpredictable

[subtle pasture]

That was the Zenos Oversoul, which he seems to have abandoned in favor of the Overmind system

[turbid helm]

I'll add it to the 6.3 bingo sheet

[plain plover]

so he used alfonse since he was meant to be loyal?

[turbid helm]

He wouldn't hurt his sister

[severe brook]

he used Alfonse because he was alive

[subtle pasture]

He used him as punishment for all the other weapons being taken by us, along with Allie’s escape

[plain plover]

i'm more confused as to how the new system improved it

[subtle pasture]

Well, did Allie die when Overmind was activated?

[late aurora]

Pilots live, meaning they can do it multiple times

[plain plover]

sounds uncharacteristic of dude to not have people die

[turbid helm]

She was brain dead moreorless

[subtle pasture]

She was catatonic out of shock, so not quite

[plain plover]

oh fuck need to finish this story before i hear more then

[carmine basin]

It was the realization that Alfonse' brain was used for diamond that made her almost a vegetable right

[turbid helm]

Ah true

Had to do with it

[subtle pasture]

But his ultimate goal was for him to pilot Diamond instead, so he probably wanted a system that got the benefits of Oversoul without dying himself

[severe brook]

that was the capstone to everything else she'd suffered

[mighty light]

He doesn't care about Allie dying; what he cares about is having a weapon that can use Oversoul more than once.

[turbid helm]

She went in shock when she realized it was her brother

[mighty light]

It's not resource-efficient to have to constantly train new pilots to use your trump card.

Valens was
Not a genius, but he also wasn't a total moron.

[plain plover]

also to understand oversoul: so it kills the pilot to power some weird special form in it?

and then the combat data is used to autopilot?

[mighty light]

It basically fuses the pilot to the core and then puppets their body with the oversoul's data

[subtle pasture]

They merge with the core, taking on the qualities of the data in it, empowering their combat abilities but- kind of a one off

[plain plover]

i'm also taking that its implied that he uses that one test subjects family in it?

[subtle pasture]

I think they were in that shot of all the subjects lost to SAS research but I couldn’t see through my tears

[late aurora]

Probably not, because that was when he wanted to Zenos people

[plain plover]

i have aspergers so i struggle a lot with emotionally connecting with story moments but i honestly almost shed a tear att that

[severe brook]

yeah, he kept using them as test subjects to try to get Diamond's Oversoul working

[mighty light]

He didn't use them in the core data; they were basically there solely to see if somebody could pilot the weapon without dying.

(It turns out: they couldn't)

[plain plover]

i thought he was testing its personality?

since he said it was more like a feral dog than a loyal subject

[dim sigil]

Why is he gonna put himself at risk

[plain plover]

erm... didn't say he would do that

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, at first he was testing Zenos Oversouls, but the products were always still devoted to the hunt and would rapidly expire anyways,

[plain plover]

lmao

[severe brook]

he was using Zenos as the personality, he was using the 'pilots' as hosts for that personality

[mighty light]

Zenos too stronk

[severe brook]

too juicy
!faq juicy

[subtle pasture]

I'm pretty sure you do see the Werlyt man and his family in the SAS victims shot but lemme check,

[plain plover]

gotta love zenos being such a fucking lunatic that it goes against what they want

[severe brook]

you do, they're on the right

[plain plover]

yeah i didn't see them in the shot just thought that the scene they're in implies it

[subtle pasture]

oh, yep.

[plain plover]

fuck me though, that was the saddest storyline i've seen in this, i haven't properly done the one with the girl in palace of the dead especially since i skipped a lot of story content so the impact of her SO dying hit me less

[subtle pasture]

Wife and daughter on the right, only ones not in pilot suits

[plain plover]

dafuq?

[subtle pasture]

--yeah idk why two of 'em have helmets on

[plain plover]

there's two with that mask

[mighty light]

Avere deserved it; change my mind

[severe brook]

some of them had helmets only so many faces

[plain plover]

avere?

[mighty light]

Edda's SO
(I am mostly joking)

[plain plover]

what he do wrong?

[mighty light]

He was a piece of shit

[subtle pasture]

LoS'd his healer while being an arse

[plain plover]

i've forgotten them around when they first go into the dgn

hence why that dgns hard mode hit me less story wise

[torpid yoke]

Tell that to the person not me XD. It's a huge stretch even for me

[mighty light]

The entire party (barring the lalafell, who was mostly just either indifferent or oblivious) was terrible to Edda

[plain plover]

was that mostly covered when it was in the MISQ?

[mighty light]

Yeah
A lot of it was optional NPC dialogue, though

[plain plover]

yeah i skipped most of ARR

[subtle pasture]

how'd we get on Edda stuff

[mighty light]

Very easily missable even if you're paying close attention

[subtle pasture]

Oh, I see.

[late aurora]

Edda’s ghost spooks the Lala, that’s like the most memorable bit

[plain plover]

mentioned how weapon storyline is saddest i've seen yet, edda's one may have been but i remember fuck all from the MSQ

[subtle pasture]

But yeah, Werlyt is intense,

[plain plover]

dude what the fuck was this storyline

[turbid helm]

Always nixe how thorough FFXIV is with background, side characters even if I hardly ever notice

[torpid yoke]

Like I said, gonna become lance XD

[plain plover]

honestly i regret just rushing through a lot because one persons review of 14 went over how even the small things are rich with the lore and character details

[late aurora]

And then they ask you to remember their names

[plain plover]

like even the botanist guild leader in their random lines makes rather significant statements of how conflict has affected them or something

[mighty light]

Mate I've been like that since I started chatting here; ask Pash

[subtle pasture]

--Honestly I forget every time no matter how many times I see it that they earnestly added a pop sfx to Valens

[plain plover]

but yeah a lot of cutscenes i skipped in ARR until it was leading to HW which i regret now

[turbid helm]

"I've never seen this person before in my life."

[plain plover]

dude that noise was so odd along with the rushing liquid effect

also did alfonse just toss him?

[mighty light]

Yeah

[torpid yoke]

You're more tame than lance

[plain plover]

he has to be the most hated character now

[mighty light]

Damn; gotta step it up, then

[subtle pasture]

All that armor, being squeezed by an adamantine enforced grip....

[plain plover]

so i did the entire storyline today, and i was honestly wondering what the fuck he was gonna be like with them hiding his face... but also doing push ups sweating like fuck in frontt of some kids

btw why was his face hidden?

[turbid helm]

That sound was cathartic for me

[mighty light]

To make him scarier

[subtle pasture]

They just didn't reveal it at the time, these quests had a few months between each tbf

[plain plover]

bro m8 having him awkwardly sweating from push ups in front of boys already scary enough

[plain plover]

more just the reason for hiding him

like was he a already established character prior?

[mighty light]

Nope

[subtle pasture]

Just building the tension, --nah, he's not mentioned before Werlyt,

[turbid helm]

I wasn't ready for the goofy face reveal. I snorted when I saw that dumb mug.

[mighty light]

He was introduced specifically to be the "see Gaius isn't so bad" legate

[plain plover]

btw are people thinking next class is scythe more after fandaniels comment on his weapon?

[next quarry]

no

people just want to be edgy

[subtle pasture]

Absolutely, but it's after 3 instances of Yoshi wearing reaper-based shirts

[torpid yoke]

Yes

[turbid helm]

He didn't drop any hints did he?

[subtle pasture]

"It's certainly apt,"

[plain plover]

since he comments that its rather fitting for him or something which a scythe would be considering he wants to kill everything

[mighty light]

Bringing the end, reaping the world's souls

[plain plover]

also way he pulls it out looks like would fit to it

[turbid helm]

Hm... So weaponized wol body pillow

[plain plover]

god zenos going to look like such a twat

[mighty light]

Yeah but like
A cool twat

[rough kestrel]

Zenos's new outfit seems to be a similar one to what he has, just with a different coat and probably under armor

[plain plover]

i'm sort of worried what they will do for endwalker, like i doubt it will surpass shadowbringers but my thing is that zenos and fandaniel are... just such shit villains

[torpid yoke]

Inb4 zenos starts using a gun hammer

[rough kestrel]

@plain plover I completely disagree on Zenos

[mighty light]

I like them tbh
Especially after Emet
They're just
Unappologetically evil bastards

[plain plover]

he has some form of interesting backstory, but everything else with him is just bad

[mighty light]

And their dynamic is really fun

[plain plover]

yeah but like so far doesn't look like much of an interesting story to be had

[kind lark]

fandaniel hasn't even done anything besides dance. let the man breathe

[subtle pasture]

Zenos on his own? Yeah probably flat, Zenos with Fandaniel? Better,

[torpid yoke]

Ff14 ppl are too used to sympathetic villains

[rough kestrel]

Zenos's ambitions are just completely unique as an XIV antagonist.

[mighty light]

Fandaniel is definitely going to have a story re: how he got like that, and with Zenos they've already been teasing it.

[subtle pasture]

Zenos and Fandaniel with collosal eldritch horror towers and mountains on mountains of sacrifices planning to devour the world and moon?

[rough kestrel]

They always were and I always loved that about him.

[heady shadow]

we arent even in 6.0 yet, its where most the dynamic will form anyway heh

[subtle pasture]

[plain plover]

fandaniel so far i feel like saw emet like how jared letto saw prior jokers

[mighty light]

He's more like uhhh

[turbid helm]

If they could make boring elidibus into a good villain I'm not worried about Zenos

[plain plover]

i more mean like overacting the ridiculous behaviour but becoming far more uninteresting

[rough kestrel]

Nothing bored me more than antagonists in XIV going "AH YESSSSS THE GRAND PLANN, EONS IN THE MAKING" I loved Emet, and Elidibus was fine but we're fucking done with that shit, I just want to fight my friend.

[subtle pasture]

I think it's far too early on Fandaniel's arc to think he merely is that demented-- but even if not, his agent of chaos aesthetique is, amazingly, even going against Zenos' similar freedom,

[mighty light]

Honestly I don't have a comparison to make for Fandaniel; he's just fun

[rough kestrel]

I dont really care for Fanny, personally, he does nothing.

[heady shadow]

his VA is having thwe time of his life

[rough kestrel]

His VA is highly entertaining

[subtle pasture]

Leto's Joker was a baaaad, baaaaaaaadddd agent of chaos type, I'd say take Loki who's very methodical in his madness,

[plain plover]

tbh since there is planned for even more expansions... i have genuinely no idea where they may go

[mighty light]

(I don't think the comparison to Jared Letto is fair though; the issue with him is that he's a bad actor)

[plain plover]

i mean the joker in that was also just bad, like he was just an edgy lunatic

[somber storm]

Tfw you remembered that you carried Allie back and you can imagine a lalafell carrying her

[mighty light]

Yeah

[rough kestrel]

Well, nobody does because this is the end. I feel like this will be the most creative freedom they've had in years.

[plain plover]

that be me lmao

[next quarry]

there is the thing under silvertear, but we dont know

[plain plover]

more that like other expansions had setup prior and endwalker will be focused with zenos's new planned shitfest but after that god knows what will happen

[rough kestrel]

Once we put Hydaelyn and Zodiark to rest for good. The WoL will essentially have fulfilled their entire purpose.

[plain plover]

especially since zodiark will be dealt with and garlemald looks the same

[rough kestrel]

I'm not talking about 6.0

[mighty light]

Like
I do wanna say that Fandaniel is almost certainly going to have a story attached to him beyond "edgy lunatic;" they're using the Normal Raid to finally give Lahabrea closure, for god's sake
It's possible they'll just create another meme they'll need to resolve later, but it feels hard to believe

[plain plover]

yeah i'm meaning after as well

[rough kestrel]

I'm talking about 7.0.

[plain plover]

practically everything setup looks to be solved in 6.0 so not sure where it will g o

[next quarry]

we'll see in like

3 months after EW release

6.1 has new story after all

[plain plover]

oh yeah have they explained wth that raid has in connection to lahabrea i'm so confused hearing there's a raid for him

[rough kestrel]

We will still have the Lahabrea raid and the new Alliance though which I suspect will be somehow tied to leftovers

[torpid yoke]

Smaller area means more stronk

[next quarry]

the only art for it is lahabread's face

[plain plover]

oof

[torpid yoke]

They'll probably explain fandango

[rough kestrel]

Nyommi I heard that said in that guy's voice who does the "Is small, and mad" videos

[turbid helm]

[mighty light]

We don't know anything about it beyond the fact that it's strongly connected to him, and that it's called Pandaemonium
(fwiw, though, pointed this out last night but Pandaemonium is the city the angels cast out of heaven made for themselves in Hell as a 'new' paradise; this is coming the expac after the Eden raids, so it'll probably have some sort of thematic connection to that.)

[plain plover]

but yeah my thing with 7.0 onwards is pretty much all setup story looks to be having closure in endwalker, so like i don't know if its related to whatever impacted the original world may happen

[turbid helm]

Wonder if Gaia will make an appearance at some point

[rough kestrel]

I think she might

[next quarry]

maybe ascians in the past, but I doubt gaia as she is now

[mighty light]

This patch they talked a lot about Meracydia, and they've brought it up a lot in the past. Would not be difficult to go, "7.0 we head south."

[plain plover]

but yeah it feels odd that 7.0 has some entirely new threat beyond the most significant military power in the world that is known and the elder primals

[mighty light]

Garlemald is the big dead.

[rough kestrel]

There are a bunch of fucking Ascians out there doing jack shit, if not Gaia then atleast one has to go "Alright WoL, I guess I'll help you"

[next quarry]

new world + meracydia

[subtle pasture]

HAL 👏 MA 👏 RUT 👏

[plain plover]

was it explained what was fucking up the world before zodiark was summoned?

[torpid yoke]

WHO?

[mighty light]

Not yet

[subtle pasture]

--I have no basis of it Halmarut just reads like a big hippie from their Constellation Crystal quote

[plain plover]

i have a feeling that may come up again

[mighty light]

New World is bad and should stay in its corner forever

[next quarry]

lmao

all we know about the end of days is the sound that made everything go wild right

[torpid yoke]

After we see pash

[subtle pasture]

Halmarut, Deudalaphon, Altima, Pashtarot, Emmerololth,

[mighty light]

We also know that it was a very long process, not something that happened instantly.

And that it needed to travel; it didn't affect everywhere all at once.

[plain plover]

god i remember someone gave the theory that it was jenova

[somber storm]

Meteor carrying Jenova landed on the planet and causing the Sound? Could be a plausible theory and reference

[plain plover]

i remember some people thought sephiroth would be the non revealed boss in alphascape

[mighty light]

Meteor carrying Jenova landed on the planet and causing the Sound? Could be a plausible theory and reference
Plz no

[dim sigil]

I was expecting sephiroth in Diamond weapon like one winged shinryu

[plain plover]

thought this was in response to that sephiroth one, LMAO IMAGINE IF SEPHIROTH IS HELD BY A ALLAGAN STRUCTURE