#retired-patch-6-3-discussion

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wind bough
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I’m so desensitised to uwu speak

torpid yoke
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It's the more cursed of the 2

forest magnet
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Like, idk, what counts as hyping up anyways to you rymi

bold condor
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it's not like pre-5.0 hyped the Eighth Umbral Calamity that much

sudden herald
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d35en51t1s3d, 4r3 u?

torpid yoke
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UwU just makes me laugh

wind bough
torpid yoke
forest magnet
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sure that worked in SHB's favor since 4.56 was kinda shitty so we went in with not that high expectations

deft burrow
forest magnet
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But, this is the end of a decade long story arc. I don't want it to be like Attack on Titan.

echo orbit
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maybe because they're setup patches but post 5.3 aren't that good

deft burrow
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Meh ending was fine

oak pike
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How was 4.56 bad?

echo orbit
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eden final tier's terrible, nier story's terrible (raid itself is fine), msq is also blah

torpid yoke
forest magnet
torpid yoke
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Cept armin and annie

deft burrow
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Msq has been good so far they are just addressing stuff people have been wondering about since 3.0

severe finch
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does the mecha dragon also play the prelude like the other trial mounts?

deft burrow
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Yes

clever flume
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violet says is plays shadowbringers main theme

deft burrow
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If by prelude you mean the main screen theme then yes

forest magnet
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the most eventful things that happened in this patch was Arenvald maybe losing a few limbs and Tiamat breaking free. It's kinda not as large of stakes comapred to previous X.5 patches.

torpid yoke
mighty light
# forest magnet the most eventful things that happened in this patch was Arenvald maybe losing a...

Discovering that the capital had been transformed into a hive of Tempered workers building something dreadful; discovering the Towers were basically Geigeresque constructions of flesh designed to imprison Tempered individuals and force them to expend all their aether in summoning Lunar Primals (this is how Arenvald was injured); Zenos losing his temper; the Amalj'aa and Ul'dah reaching a tentative accord for the first time in ages

sudden herald
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^

dim sigil
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Alpy be like wol is gonna fight way stronger foes then you and zenos is like i know and i hate that i want wol to fight only me for at least ten years!

forest magnet
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2.5: Whole lotta shit. We lose our blessing of light and find out that's a thing. Minfilia gets kidnapped and we rescue her and record our first kill on an Ascian. Moenbryda dies.
3.5: Ilberd's return, tension between the Empire and the Alliance break out into full blown war. Papalymo dies.
4.5: Gaius' return is hard confirmed, Alphinaud and Alisae are both incapacitated. The whole meeting with Varis.

torpid yoke
forest magnet
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this is just off the top of my head

mighty light
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I was responding to "the most eventful things that happened in this patch." Those weren't even close.

lime estuary
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Also Tiamat being freed isnt a minor thing.

forest magnet
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Well, post 5.3 is quite literally wrapping up loose ends.

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The enormous revelations and happenings in SHB transpired and now we're left with the leftover pieces to deal with

torpid yoke
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Alisaie being able to untemper a dragon and how tiamat retained her mind is big imo

kind lark
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You forgot that valens goes pop

forest magnet
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I actually change my mind 4.5 had the least eventful stuff

maiden lodge
forest magnet
maiden lodge
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Emet was 4.4? Shiyet

silk cape
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So a big thing in 5.4 was Merlwyb getting to an accord with the kobolds. Now 5.5 has Ul'dah getting to an accord with the amal'jaa. Did I miss something happening with Kan-E-Senna or should I expect it in 5.5 Part Deux: The Smell of Fear?

forest magnet
mighty light
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The Ixal don't live in the Shroud (anymore, and the Gridanians aren't in charge of that), and the Gridanians are already friendly with the Sylphs

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The Ishgardians made friends with the Ixal, though, off-screen

torpid yoke
mighty light
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The Gridanians becoming friendly with the Sylphs happened during MSQ

forest magnet
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Oh right Emet says the civil war was on purpose. Though we could probably guess at that anyway so.

kind lark
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whats the situation with the dark evles?

teal geyser
forest magnet
teal geyser
mighty light
teal geyser
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Ishgard

mighty light
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It's implied in the section re: the Ishgardians rescuing a bunch of captive Ixali on the way to one of the towers, IIRC?

torpid yoke
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Inb4 cal don't read this ||the dark elves were used to summon Lunar odin||

teal geyser
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Uhhhh fuck I forgot what race it was

forest magnet
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Are the mamool ja and the Namazu the only beast tribes who haven't summoned a primal

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What would the Mamool Ja even summon anyway?

silk cape
teal geyser
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Yeah you right @mighty light

dusk drift
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we don't really know enough about the mamool to say what they'd summon, or even if they have a god to summon at all

carmine basin
teal geyser
dusk drift
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they're just kinda Weird Amalj'aa right now

forest magnet
silk cape
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i still super want to know if the Great Serpent has a presence on the Source

dusk drift
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yeah, his name's Longhaft owocarby

kind lark
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what would the dwalves summon?

teal geyser
dusk drift
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i giant barrel of mead

teal geyser
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Robo mead

dusk drift
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robotic bartender with unlimited mead

forest magnet
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why are there kobolds in pal'gathan

teal geyser
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Just helping out like bros

dusk drift
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because the kobolds are our friends now

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it was a whole thing in 5.4 remember?

forest magnet
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yeah i didn't think they'd take up arms with us so quickly tho

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I thought they were prisoners who broke free

teal geyser
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Okay to be fair here I'm shocked ANYONE told them what was happening. Is the communication really that good now?

dusk drift
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maybe because it was in defense of another beast tribe, so they were more sympathetic?

carmine basin
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It was a perfect opportunity for them to test out their cannons too

gaunt star
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I mean the entire world is at stake, i dont think they need much convincing to help out

dusk drift
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i mean linkpearls are plentiful and apparently their range is planetary so like

carmine basin
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The Maelstorm does have a camp near their settlements, they just have to walk there

dusk drift
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why wouldn't we tell them?

teal geyser
forest magnet
dusk drift
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"hello kobold chieftain, here is a linkpearl, now we can call for aid and chat about boys"

dusk drift
forest magnet
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and u said ishgard made peace with the ixali too so why aren't they there

dusk drift
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i did not say that

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i know they're making overtures, and they did rescue those captives, but i don't recall anyone saying they've officially made peace yet

torpid yoke
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Lich said it. They just have similar colors

teal geyser
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^

torpid yoke
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Green name white pfp

carmine basin
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Cal don't click (5.5 trailer) ||based on the trailer, we would be helping more beast tribes on the next part too||

teal geyser
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Be like me instead yoshowo

maiden lodge
dusk drift
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fired?

forest magnet
dusk drift
teal geyser
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Yes but to be fair they did deserve it

forest magnet
teal geyser
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As a non mod I can say that

maiden lodge
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As someone cussed at by Cali once

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Totally deserved it, they did

forest magnet
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wait it was you?

maiden lodge
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No no

teal geyser
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Um idk the way I've gotten angry at you is a bit different but let's not go there.

maiden lodge
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I mean, you told me the deets

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And yeah, it was deserved on their end

dim sigil
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That did help by the way I finally understand stupid Arts now it's like dumb simple

torpid yoke
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....I wanna know the deets owocarby

dim sigil
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Butt

torpid yoke
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I have no gremlin emote

maiden lodge
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not my place to say

clever flume
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much redacted, such censored

maiden lodge
oak pike
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Tf happen ponder

clever flume
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REDACTION!

wet crown
teal geyser
maiden lodge
oak pike
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You want to <redacted> Zenos don’t you

clever flume
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but do you censor his redacted?

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ok enough of this, getting weird xD

maiden lodge
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SUCH REDACTION WAS NOT MY INTENTION

carmine basin
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Mother tempered him. Made him good again

clever flume
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goddamnit

silk cape
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kinda wanna know what i missed, kinda don't care

maiden lodge
silk cape
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Dwarves would summon the Giant of Babil

teal geyser
dusk drift
maiden lodge
clever flume
torpid yoke
silk cape
clever flume
kind lark
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Maybe the ascians were correct

wet crown
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Phew. I almost jumped into the cross fire

teal geyser
torpid yoke
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The ascians were very much wrong and have been proved so

teal geyser
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Okay but Rymi...the simp

wet crown
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Nah.

clever flume
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no no, this chat definitely needs to be purged and rejoined

torpid yoke
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Oh cal have you seen the new features trailer for replicant remake?

maiden lodge
wet crown
teal geyser
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Not really. Just happy Dad Nier is in somehow. I hope he is just a toggle at the start of the game not something to be unlocked

carmine basin
kind lark
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aww that isn't fandaniel dancing

torpid yoke
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Do you want me to link the trailer?

teal geyser
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Nah I'm good

wet crown
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I saw Dad Nier as an avatar icon thing. But I know nothing besides that

torpid yoke
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Oke

teal geyser
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Not even sure if I'll buy the game yet, might wait for a sale

wet crown
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me too

oak pike
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Ain’t dad nier for the battle arena dlc just like how in the original us release brother nier was available in the battle arena

teal geyser
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I ain't paying full price for a game I already own and played for some extra features

wet crown
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Hey, Cal. They cleaned up his facial texture.

teal geyser
clever flume
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wow cal, not being a true fan smh

carmine basin
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What if they add new content Cal

wet crown
teal geyser
maiden lodge
wet crown
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Hey now.

clever flume
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oooohhhh buurrrnnn

teal geyser
maiden lodge
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I mean, that's a selfburn too

wet crown
torpid yoke
maiden lodge
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That's really just scorched earth on everyone here

placid sail
oak pike
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Man garleans size difference is wild

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carmine basin
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Zenos is just a big boy

oak pike
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Physically Zenos is younger but only by a year

wet crown
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It's mostly just Cid being the odd one out

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I do think they should've made Gaius a bit taller though

oak pike
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Cids a manlet for garleans

wet crown
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All his size went into muscle mass

sudden herald
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Zenos is fucking tall even by Garlean standards

oak pike
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He gets it from his dad

turbid aspen
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Who definitely doesnt get it from his dad

oak pike
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Varis was a absolute unit of a man if I remember

mighty light
carmine basin
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Varis' dad, Varis, and Zenos are all unusually large even by Garlean standards

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We haven't seen Emet's other children to see if it's unique to his firstborn or if it's shared by all of his offspring

silk cape
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If we ever see Nerva or any imagery of Titus Galronicus then we'll have a comparison point.

oak pike
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Wait so is varis emets kid or Solus kid?

wet crown
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The way things are going, we'll see a picture of Nerva's corpse

silk cape
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Emet is Solus soooooo
yes?

clever flume
oak pike
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So emet fucks and zenos is his grand kid

wet crown
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The child of the body Emet-Selch made to take the role of Solus

oak pike
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Wait emets fucks

clever flume
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well varis is his grandson

ivory wolf
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Emet Selch does indeed fuck.

wet crown
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Hades Firecock

pastel coyote
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Worse than that, Emet like his mortal first-born

clever flume
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emet had 2 sons, one unamed and titus. unamed had varis who had zenos. titus had nerva

wet crown
carmine basin
oak pike
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“I bust it open WoL and have kids I bet you can’t even say that “

wet crown
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"All my lovers are men. I wanna see YOU get them pregnant."

carmine basin
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I'm more curious about the women/mothers though. Zenos clearly didn't get his pretty face from Varis

kind lark
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He got it from Emet

strange wing
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I wonder what happened to Varis's stupid hat.

oak pike
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The idea of emets roasting the WoL for being a virgin is funny to me

spiral mica
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lmao

bold condor
oak pike
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Aight accidentally skipped a step

turbid aspen
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Ack i messed it up

maiden lodge
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Jesus I can't leave this place for a second yall turned into degens so fast I thought it was a list of RDM weapons

oak pike
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Anyway so y’all think we actually gonna learn more about the Zenos family

pastel coyote
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Blame Yen, he say he will delete this channel soon

placid sail
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the Galvus family*

dim sigil
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Hey look a ff14 crossover

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placid sail
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omg cool they put the first boss from the raid in replicant

silk cape
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Just did Tower at Paradigm's Breach for the first time last night, Knave was a good fight.

dim sigil
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All I could think of was all now the ff7 Remake Whispers have invaded 14

silk cape
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i mean
i'd be okay with that

late aurora
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Cloud and crew broke the whispers so badly, they end up in 14

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And then we murder them for real

maiden lodge
silk cape
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shrug Just hold out for Ever Crisis then. Remake is a great shadow sequel and I'm not interested in really litigating that at the moment.

silent oriole
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does Emet Selch have a large penis? discuss

dim sigil
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Nah 5.2

maiden lodge
strange wing
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I fear what happens after Ever Crisis

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GACKT CRISIS

silk cape
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Nope, need an FC before we can have a GC

gaunt star
maiden lodge
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Financial Cashcow

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"At least it's honest"

dim sigil
carmine basin
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Didn't wifey make that lol

dim sigil
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Yea

dawn wave
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LMFAO

maiden lodge
next quarry
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no emmy PFs up rn I guess its time for my owo one

bold condor
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POST THE SEQUEL

crystal arrow
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both of these are fantastic

rain onyx
maiden lodge
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I am dead

stiff charm
strange wing
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"Mad because Small" so good despite being one(1) being repeated

royal spruce
stiff charm
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from virgin to chad

clever flume
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I like that gif

ashen coral
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Same

regal lantern
dim sigil
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Someone in another server reaaaaally hates him

gusty quest
dim sigil
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Piss rat is the name they use

gusty quest
regal lantern
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Didn’t know liking Estinien was bad? Sure his personality changed a lot since HW but that’s a bit extreme

dim sigil
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They just have a really hot sake

stiff charm
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i thought he was a bit of an edgy stinky dragon boy in hw (im an ysayle simp so its understandable) but hes cool now

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face model is a bit namazuconcern though

strange wing
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FF14 boys usually start out stinky.

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Although it's weird how Estinian got so big while is contemporaries never got any story revelence. Imagine if Curious Gorge or that one SMN dude got as much screen time.

unreal gale
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Folks have done worse shit than Estinien, LOL. It'd make more sense to shame people for sympathizing with the Ascians than for liking the edgy HW dragoon. FFXIV is all about acceptance, so like Estinien as much as you want. I wish he'd put his helmet back on, though.

maiden lodge
autumn heron
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Imagine hating one of the best characters in XIV

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Can one have any worse taste?

regal lantern
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He easily agreed to parley and not attack dragons till Hraesvalgr’s audience and only to attack if he denied. Kept his word till the end and easily accepted the truth of it all and chose to only slay Nidhogg to end it all.

subtle pasture
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I didn’t notice when he’s smiling after freeing Tiamat that he was looking at his shoulder, where one of Nidhogg’s eyes were cryingcatto

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Loved all the mentions of Nidhogg’s lingering influence and interaction with him,

dim sigil
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I feel nidhogg was talking somtiems over him

rough kestrel
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Yeah I definitely think Nidhogg talks through Estinien at times, it's kind of cool

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When he gets loud and gruff, or more abrupt than usual I tend to assume thats Nidhogg

heady shadow
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i think it wouldnt be too far fetched to think that nidhogg is probably still present in some capacity

rough kestrel
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I mean I think we already had definitive proof he is, thats why his spear glows and Estinien talks to it.

gusty quest
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Yeah, Nidhogg's influence lingers

rough kestrel
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At one point earlier on it glows and hes like "Lets go Nidhogg, we've got work to do"

viscid glade
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what are the name of the new earrings

torpid yoke
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Nice to see he's still around in some capacity keeping to the task he was given

viscid glade
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doesn't estinien straight up say in 5.5 he still talks to nidhogg

clever flume
viscid glade
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ty

obsidian pagoda
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So it wasn't Ysayle who married a dragon after all, it was Estinien yoshiglasses

dusk drift
rough kestrel
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Oh no, We are The Boss.

stiff charm
rough kestrel
stiff charm
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speaking of bosses
if wol boss theme (makers ruin) doesnt return in a proper way in endwalker i am disappointed in soken
no torn from the heavens or some other track that has quotes from it is not enough, i want a full appearance or remix of it

kind lark
stiff charm
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i will [REDACTED] one of them and [REDACTED] (...) make the mgs3 remake myself

rough kestrel
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@kind lark Don't It still hurts.

dim sigil
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Don't forget the seven other adventurers we bring with us or maybe just randomly come across on the moon

regal lantern
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This time it’ll just be us using Azem Stone

And likely all time afterwards too

silk cape
bold condor
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X3

torpid yoke
teal geyser
somber storm
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Eye thigh mum

severe brook
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not that the stone's broken, but that it was only imbued with one or two uses of that spell, which is now probably used up post-SoS

torpid yoke
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I don't really see a problem with it

regal lantern
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Well blessing wasn’t a chance but the rest, yes

teal geyser
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Actually I'm fine with echo and blessing tbh

torpid yoke
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We can't really lose the echo unless we die die

teal geyser
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echo isn't chance either

heady shadow
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I dont mind if we ever got rid of the blessing either btw

torpid yoke
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Plus its not like our echo does much story wise

teal geyser
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Echo isn't chance kinda anyway

regal lantern
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Echo is chance. Just as not every soul is not an Ancient reincarnate, we were a reincarnation of Azem, if we were the same as our scion pals, we’d not have Echo and thus no blessing and finally no Azem magic

torpid yoke
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And I meannnn the echo is kinda regular folks yet kinda not

heady shadow
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?
echo has nothing to do with ther blessing

regal lantern
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Yeah but not everyone is guaranteed to have echo. Only people who are ancient reincarnate and have seen a star shower have the Echo

regal lantern
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Been explained way many times

torpid yoke
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Going off 5.2 it seems possible that even ancient souls don't always awaken to the echo even if they see a star shower

heady shadow
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that doesnt mean the echo and blessing come from the same thing

regal lantern
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That’s why your average Joe can’t get any crystal of light no matter how much act of valour they do

regal lantern
torpid yoke
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Iirc a npc didn't awaken to the echo yet felt like a huge tragedy happened

regal lantern
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Even Alisaie did, to some it awakens deep emotions of grief

torpid yoke
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Which implies that even ancient souls don't always awaken due to a star shower

regal lantern
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Not really. It doesn’t imply that.

gusty quest
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What awakens them may not necessarily be a star shower. It could be other traumatic events from the final days

torpid yoke
regal lantern
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The way FFXIV story writing team and lore team works, implications are a rarely a thing.

As for why they feel that way, if you ask devs they’ll either say “haha I wonder why” or if they actually have a reason they’d share they’d give one. Atm the best I can think of is, all souls are connected anyways since all souls are born from the same aetherial sea. The aetherial sea connects us all, and contains memories, emotions, etc.

dim sigil
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So basiclly PATHS

teal geyser
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Just as not every soul is not an Ancient reincarnate
@regal lantern Actually that's not confirmed, it's pretty unclear in this regard

torpid yoke
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Oh I didn't even catch that

regal lantern
teal geyser
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Outside of a very unique circumstance in the case of Alpha that's not been demonstrated whatsoever and kinda goes against the idea of rebirth put forward by the game so you really need to provide evidence to that instead of just going "it do the thing"

torpid yoke
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One could guess that at least all spoken are ancient souls since it seems that the beast tribes can have echo wielders too

teal geyser
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Like, I want to believe that new souls are created and that not everyone is an ancient soul but you can't just act like that's fact

torpid yoke
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I wanna know more about the life in the ancient world

obsidian pagoda
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If everyone is an ancient soul, doesn't that mean the population number is always the same? The same soul just keeps getting recycled.

teal geyser
clever flume
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not if its just fragments of the soul

teal geyser
torpid yoke
clever flume
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but yeah amaourot was not the only city back then

torpid yoke
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Like uh if they had cows and such

obsidian pagoda
teal geyser
clever flume
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so we don't really know just how much of a population there was back before the world went to shit

teal geyser
balmy mesa
torpid yoke
heady shadow
clever flume
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there's a possibility of that yeah, when a soul dies in the lifestream its chopped up. to me that makes the most sense

teal geyser
heady shadow
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i know but something came toi my head the other day

torpid yoke
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@teal geyser why don't you like the azem spell

clever flume
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cos cal's a lame duck

heady shadow
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I wonder if there will be a point when we start to see the world failing because its splintered?

gusty quest
torpid yoke
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Cuz to me the spell doesn't seem that big of deal since it seems like just a teleporation spell

clever flume
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its true tho

teal geyser
# torpid yoke <@207811544925339648> why don't you like the azem spell

Lazy excuse to excuse the whole party content stuff and also it's so "friends are my power" it hurts and I know it's going to be used to do an end of 2.0 Lahabrea attack against Zenos/Fanny in 6.0 and also by giving us Azem magic it's kinda going against the "you are you and no one else" thing they were doing in 5.0 by giving you all this cool shit and making you more like the other person called Azem who is dead

tulip geyser
teal geyser
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The spell isn't a big deal but I hate everything about it's existence

heady shadow
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I wanna take a step further and maybe that could be the new arc, trying to make the world whole without killing millions

torpid yoke
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I mean

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You beat hades because of your friends

teal geyser
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Yeah we don't need an Azem crystal for that

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The crystal is completely pointless and only serves as the most annoying plot device. I'd rather stick to far eastern fishing trips with my friends thanks

clever flume
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you're an annoying plot device

teal geyser
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So are you

clever flume
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its true

silk cape
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It would be great if there was a way to bring the remaining shards back in without causing everyone on those shards to die. But then I think it creates a whole new issue of "who gets to keep their world?" and that's not an easy one to answer.

teal geyser
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Looks at Kael's pfp
Oh wow that's a necc

dusk drift
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it made for a nice moment in 5.3
it does not need to be repeated

torpid yoke
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Ok how would you explain having our friends on the moon cal

dusk drift
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big rocket

teal geyser
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The fucking end??

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It's an easy answer

torpid yoke
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Ok and what if the way we get to the moon only has space for us and the scions?

tulip geyser
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If we could connect the worlds somehow and allow their aetheric seas to blend together eventually, that might be kind of ok? Kinda like making a delta of the worlds so they can share their aether without being mashed together

teal geyser
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You're also assuming a lot

torpid yoke
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I'm not assuming I'm making scenarios

dusk drift
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the difference between a rocket that can carry 10 people and one that can carry 20 is fairly small

teal geyser
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^ if the rocket can only fit the Scions the writers can just make the rocket...a bit bigger? Still no need for a crystal

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You're just making it more difficult for the sole purpose of making you HAVE to use the crystal for no reason

dim sigil
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Space allagan Adventures on the moon

teal geyser
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You realise how stupid you're sounding right Rymi?

torpid yoke
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I'm just making scenarios

dim sigil
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Rymi goat tbh

teal geyser
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What if you, your friends, and the scions go in the rocket but then Fanny splits the rocket in half so your friends don't make it to the moon? How are they going to fight with you then?

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That's you

unreal gale
#

To be fair, fitting folks in a rocket can be hard. But I doubt fiction would ever get into those practicalities. Would be stupid to impose them given how far-reaching Allagan technology is.

heady shadow
#

*allagan spaceships ||gicing bahamut life shit mwhahaha||

silk cape
#

Then again, where are we getting the idea that the Source/Shards CAN'T just stay sundered forever?

tulip geyser
#

I think a dev mentioned that the whole bit is unstable

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But it might or might not be a problem dealt with in this game, idunno

heady shadow
#

its a idea i was thinking about. because for real at some point everything gets fucked over

tulip geyser
torpid yoke
#

I personally find getting spells that someone else used years and years ago not a big deal. Even if they were our past selves we are our own person @teal geyser

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Way I see it we learned a new technique from an ancestor and using it to our benefit

tulip geyser
#

I kinda think of it as the Avatar thing.
Yeah you can tap into a certain ancient power source and learning about your past is useful and whatnot but you're still very much yourself

heady shadow
#

just dont expect the original azem to pop up like Roku

tulip geyser
#

lol
I really am curious as to what happened to them tho

heady shadow
#

maybe. inb4 the glowing figure in the trailer is azem xD

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but i think people are saying they think its Venat or something>?

obsidian pagoda
#

Azem from a different shard maybe, cause you know, we are Azem. Venat seems to be the most likely theory so far though it can literally be anyone that's not potato height lol

somber storm
dim sigil
#

Azem will be the final boss

heady shadow
#

Wan doesnt exist to me that season sucked

drowsy belfry
torpid yoke
#

Glowing figure turns out to be hades KappaPride

drowsy belfry
#

WoL popping on the moon like

torpid yoke
#

Wol is quite the nerd so I could see it

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What I do hope is that in EW wol gets an armiger like ability

dim sigil
#

Its called red mage

torpid yoke
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I wanna do this with my weapons

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heady shadow
#

shame we only get animal mionion mount crossing

torpid yoke
#

Another example

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dim sigil
obsidian pagoda
#

The outline does remind me of the Occurians from XII

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Though it looks more like Gerun than Venat

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somber storm
#

A surviving member of Venat's group maybe?

torpid yoke
#

Lol just thought of stupid one

obsidian pagoda
#

Not necessarily, they don't have Occurians in this game so the outline doesn't mean anything. Could be that's Venat under the hood/got a glow up lol

torpid yoke
#

Zenos is a shard of venats number XD

dim sigil
#

Im sure veant herself willl show

obsidian pagoda
#

100% we will see her at some point

heady shadow
#

everyone gets juked and it ends up being Elidibus

obsidian pagoda
#

He's got a twin sister

regal lantern
#

Why do people think Zenos is a shard of an ancient?

crystal arrow
#

honestly the dumbest thing they could do (and thus probably the thing that will happen) is that zenos is a shard of hythlodaeus, hence why he sees us as a "friend"

obsidian pagoda
#

Cause he dreams of the Final Days even before the Resonant

heady shadow
#

well we dont know exactly when he got that though do we

regal lantern
crystal arrow
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he said he's had them for as long as he could remember

and he got the resonant in SB, since resonants were a major plot point then

kindred rampart
# dim sigil Soon

what if it ends up being Hydaelyn since we got hints of trying to reconnect with her?

regal lantern
#

Remember Vauthry became a half sin eater when he was conceived.

Easily possible for Zenos to be something similar. My FC leader even suggested what if Garleans are an attempt by Emet to force their memories to see if they can clone ancients, which explains them being extremely tall and all

crystal arrow
heady shadow
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ye but wouldnt that be hard since they are Goulg descendents

obsidian pagoda
#

Garleans as a race existed before Emet took over Solus, but his kids were mentioned to be freakishly tall that's outside of the norm.

somber storm
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Mix of Goulg

crystal arrow
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not really, since emet had a hand in founding allag as well, I'd wager he's engineered quite a few empires, possibly including goug

regal lantern
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It’s not really said they’re goulg descendants. Also mind you, a lot of things weren’t planned especially with Ivalice. I mean back in 3.0 zodiac braves were a thavnairian legend and now it’s Dalmascan

crystal arrow
regal lantern
#

Oh yeah the dad is from goulg, fair.

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But I doubt we’d get any Dalmascan lore ever again unless Matsuno joins team again. We’re going to Thavnair and I wonder if their legends of WoLs are still as celebrated as it was made out to be. I’m 70% sure it’ll be forgotten

torpid yoke
torpid yoke
balmy mesa
crystal arrow
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I think we pretty much do know that the resonant was derived from krile, given how she was in that tube and being experimented on right before we were introduced to resonants

torpid yoke
obsidian pagoda
regal lantern
balmy mesa
gaunt star
#

Ull get used to it /s

dusk drift
#

his Resonance was patterned off of Krile's, yes

torpid yoke
obsidian pagoda
#

That's like with any currently active fandom, we all sit and wait until the next drop

dim sigil
#

I compared it to like manga chapters

regal lantern
#

There literally was only Krile who was kidnapped and had Echo...

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Zenos didn’t have Resonance before that

gaunt star
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It was Krile zzzz

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They dont need to tell u everything to understand it

heady shadow
#

well hers the thing.

Krile's echo is mind reading basically.

the resonance Zenos has he can see Soul Hues/colors.

that should already tell yuo that its not krile's

gaunt star
#

Doesn't matter whose is it anyway

regal lantern
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Krile’S echo is connecting to souls. Echoes aren’t exactly the way we have it. They’re able to do far more when mastered. Zenos can also teleport, body hop, subjugate primals. What Zenos does is an advanced version of Krile’s echo

gaunt star
#

Hes still going to die PaimonCookies and dead men tell no tales from inside auracites

heady shadow
#

teleport... you mean the thing he does before Krile is even kidnapped?

regal lantern
heady shadow
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the only person they seemed to use krile's echo for resonase experiments is when Fordola got it

regal lantern
#

Source, now.

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Where does he teleport before becoming a resonant

heady shadow
#

you see it in the battle you have at lvl 71

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you ust did

regal lantern
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That is a man moving fast...

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What I’m talking about is the Ascian style teleportation with the purple-black hole

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Umm this discussion is moot sorry, there’s never any implication of Zenos getting echo of another person

heady shadow
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if he didnt get the echo of another person then he wouldnt be a resonant lol

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but okay.

regal lantern
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What...? I meant another person other than Krile.

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Sorry if I wasn’t clear with my word choices

heady shadow
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this is when i wish my brain wasnt fried from the drugs they gave me at the hosptial whne i nearly died heh

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cause i was sure they were doing experiments trying for artificial echo for a while hence the dozens of dead bodies in the chamber where they did them in ala mhigo

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but i guess a Lore Mentor would be better suited to argue this. T^T

regal lantern
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Nope. I’m currently going through my 3rd run and I did Echoes of an Echoes quest just yesterday. Krile was kept in the “master” chamber. Let me get the dialogues

heady shadow
#

(also i need to note that i havent went through stormblood since before the world visit lol)

slate ridge
#

the fact that graha is fanboying over estinien. could it be from his crystal exarch memory where he learned about the dragonsong war prior to arriving at the first?

regal lantern
#

Voila, have a read

heady shadow
#

i mean theres still bodies xD

slate ridge
#

as in, is it from his crystal exarch memories that explains why graha tia is fanboying over estinien?

somber storm
#

He read the HW book

slate ridge
#

it would've been more cute if his tail keeps wiggling while fawning over estinien

regal lantern
heady shadow
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

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like i said it's been a little over two years since i read any of this till.
so asking me if I read what the other bodies were used for before i even read the text boxes making a Joke
is kinda of insulting lmao

clever flume
#

I mean the bodies were part of the experiment

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so they were in part used for echo copying, just not necessarily the blueprint like krile was

regal lantern
#

The bodies also were part of the experiment but they didn’t provide the Echo blue print, yes. Krile’s did. But I’m going in circles over the same point that was laid out. I’ve even posted the screenshots that confirms my statements. So I’ll cease on the matter here

clever flume
#

tbf i did come in without reading the entire conversation, but my comment basically backs up what you are saying though 🙂

regal lantern
#

I agreed with you too

brisk quail
#

Tbh

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As far as I remember. We don't know how Zenos became a resonant. And who it took thr blueprint from

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I don't think we know exactly what his ability as a resonant is.

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We just know, crazy eye. Said he was resonant. Checks out

heady shadow
#

you gave no indication of asking me if i read the screens before i made the joke lol.
I made the joke within the same minuet you posted the screens and just pressed enter.
I probably took how you worded it insulting because you didnt seem to give me time to even look at the screens before i replied with oh okay thats it

my own apologies as i clearly took something to offense that i shouldn't have anyway.

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(also i look in here a bit so no need to ping me)

subtle pasture
#

Krile's Echo has the Gift of Transcend Words- which we mostly know as WoL's universal translator- but her's is so sharpened she scry surface thoughts and read intent, an ability Fordola has trained to be a pseudo-precognition, reacting just before her enemies act. Zenos, iirc, even displays abilities of the Echo before we learn of Resonance, let alone Krile's kidnapping and placement in the Resonatorium

forest magnet
#

I always wondered why that investigating the resonance facility was part of the msq since it didn't seem to have much immediate relevance

subtle pasture
#

But yeah, the Resonatoriums seem to use the aether of the Supply Subjects to map out the aetherwaves of the Master Subject- that is, the aetherial signature of their echo. We do see this again when Misija copies Mikoto's Echo, but this is brief, off-screen, and confirmed a while later (real time), in the next chapter wearycarby

brisk quail
#

Like... i still think we haven't heard shit about what zenos' resonant does other than stronk lad and juicy

forest magnet
#

makes him really powerful

brisk quail
#

allows Zenos to use the sasuke eye scene once per expac

forest magnet
#

there's nothing that hints at a new villain entering the scene now, since telophori theory is out the window

grave elm
#

endwalker should be pretty easy now that we killed lunar bahamut. just have to kill some minor ascian and zenos again. should be called cakewalker.

forest magnet
#

we saw Thordan with the Ascians + Nidhogg has been namedropped in MSQ too.
Zenos was mentioned in 3.4 as the legatus in charge of Ala Mhigo
Emet Selch appeared in 4.4

#

the final villain is always name dropped well before the expac so.

#

This leaves it as Zodiark/Hydaelyn/Zenos/some combination of them

dim sigil
#

Still the new important 6.0 char to show

forest magnet
#

Honestly?
I think it's the twins' dad. Krile comes back from Sharlayan with him.

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But you know the writers can asspull a scene where Fandaniel reports to his 'true' master or whatever.

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As unlikely as that is.

tulip geyser
#

The "earsplitting roar" heard in the proximity of the towers is certainly worrying

forest magnet
#

well we have the source of the sound

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Fandaniel took a recording of Lavos and replays it on the towers /s

tulip geyser
#

lol
(srsly tho Lavos screech scared the shit outta me as a kid)

brisk quail
#

Lavos in G Major

forest magnet
#

Anyways it seems pretty unlikely from precedence that we have a new, unheard of villain entering the msq, unless they really want to hit us with a curveball which might not be good storywise.

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It could technically be the Sound

tulip geyser
#

I had a weird thought the other day revolving around the theory Ive seen floating around that the PC might be forced to learn to Transcend Death in 6.0.
If we died in 8th Calamity timeline, and here, maybe the WoL is pretty much always gonna die around this point. I mean even in ShB we came way closer since anything else aside from Ultima exploding in our face.
But maybe its a matter of having the knowledge and the strength to crawl back from it this time.
A very silly theory

heady shadow
#

i mena

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the Roar happened then the scared dead(?) beast tribe people summoned lunar ifrit

tulip geyser
#

The roar happened when those guys got too close to the towers I thought, and they related that later after being untempered

dim sigil
#

The last thing they remember is a Roar as they approached

heady shadow
#

im talking about when arenvald and fordola were in there, the alarm sounded then the roar

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if i have to i'll rewatch the scene

dim sigil
#

Alarum ty

forest magnet
#

So you know how the sight of a starshower can awaken the echo right.
What if the sound awakened something too

heady shadow
#

i mean it did the whole 'nightmares made manifest'' thing

#

so it could have awakened the fear from creating those monsters

torpid yoke
heady shadow
#

its part of the convo for the last several messages

torpid yoke
#

am i just illiterate?

#

oh now i get it

torpid yoke
#

zenos got lucky so totally possible for us to get lucky

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though one could argue giving us that ability removes any future plot tension if we ever get close to dying

forest magnet
#

idk they'd really have to play it super well otherwise it'd be a retread of what happened in SHB

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because for me, at least, the threat from dying to Light over-consumption was way more scary than Zenos ever could be.

torpid yoke
#

well in a case like that i would prefer they just drop it on us like we go somewhere solo and the place explodes with us in it

forest magnet
#

that's what happened in prae though lol

torpid yoke
#

yea but we had a way out

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a convenient way out mind

forest magnet
#

we just happened to have a convient way out in SHB too

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funny how that works.

torpid yoke
#

then we can have another convenient one by going somewhere solo or end up solo somewhere and almost dying but end up transcending death somehow

tulip geyser
#

There are other games where you are more or less canonically immortal but there are still stakes and things worse than dying

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TSW for instance

forest magnet
#

i looked up that acronym and google gave me Train Sim World

tulip geyser
#

The Secret World

torpid yoke
#

THATS THE WORD I WAS LOOKING FOR

#

stakes

maiden lodge
#

World is going to be destroyed

stakes aren't high enough

forest magnet
#

it's not the stakes

#

it's the emotional attachment to the stakes.

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Like the stakes in Stormblood are twice as big as Heavensward yet plenty people seem to prefer Heavensward more. namazuthink

dim sigil
#

I love this world cuz we erp in it, I won't let you destroy it

forest magnet
#

World-ending stakes are the finales for every FF

torpid yoke
forest magnet
#

Give me some emotional hooks and the story will do well.

maiden lodge
#

Well that transcending of death has limits, it wouldn't have done anything against a sin eater transformation for example.

forest magnet
#

Don't give me emotional hooks and the story ends up like Stormblood. Utilitarian, but in the end forgettable.

torpid yoke
#

more so we meant learning it during EW

forest magnet
#

I'm really tired of the argument of "well without Stormblood Shadowbringers wouldn't happen" is like saying "Without Attack of the Clones, Revenge of the Sith wouldn't happen." Like that doesn't make it good

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and u could say the same about 1.0 and 2.0

maiden lodge
#

I dunno, I found SB hit me a bit more emotionally than HW but... well... I can't talk about why.

forest magnet
#

why not

#

is it...against the rules paissasquint

maiden lodge
#

Kinda.

#

It's politcal, for some reason.

forest magnet
#

huh like irl politics?

maiden lodge
#

Yeah.

forest magnet
#

so it's a personal connection then

maiden lodge
#

Yeah.

forest magnet
#

that's fair

dim sigil
#

Honestly I didn't know people hated stormblood till after I started talking to the community after beating msq

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I liked it overall

tulip geyser
#

Oh yeah, Rift was also a game where your char is canonically able to return from death (thats the entire point of the Ascended). And Aion too, iirc. You being able to make death not stick tho, doesnt really protect your friends, or your world. Esp in TSW there were people who made a point to kill/maim you for the simple purpose of slowing you down

torpid yoke
#

oh god they closing down limsa for 30 minutes

tulip geyser
#

Uh oh, did someone find another forbidden fishing spot

heady shadow
#

no they are addressing certain issues

#

which means i better get my character out of there

dim sigil
#

RUN

forest magnet
#

i didn't hate stormblood, at least, not all of it (looks at 4.56)

dim sigil
forest magnet
#

i'm mostly indifferent to it

dusk drift
#

hw good
sb bad
uwucarby reactions only pls

stiff charm
#

or was it because of the time gap? i played through msq in the drought between 5.2 and 5.3

heady shadow
#

proibably time gap stuff, i dont remember much back then either

teal geyser
tulip geyser
#

Wait is the FF before or after 5.55 this time

teal geyser
#

FF?

#

Final...fight?

tulip geyser
#

Fanfest

teal geyser
#

oh!

tulip geyser
#

Maybe I shouldnt speed abbreviate things lol

stiff charm
teal geyser
#

^

tulip geyser
#

Ok so we'll still know the direction but how hard we're gonna drift into 6.0 crazytown remains to be seen I suppose

teal geyser
tulip geyser
#

Yeah I only really thought about it after. Brain was like Fanfest, but faster!...ff.

heady shadow
#

fanfest is...16-17th?

teal geyser
#

15th/16th

heady shadow
#

so that would make 5.55 the 27th

teal geyser
heady shadow
#

ye the 25th is a sunday

teal geyser
heady shadow
#

oh dur im a fucking moron

#

... this is like twice already my brain been farting..... think im gonna take a break from too much discussing things for a while lol

teal geyser
#

I feel ya

gaunt star
#

I thought the patch was supposed to come the week right after fanfest

tropic frigate
#

same

#

is it not?

torpid yoke
#

late may would be the 25th

teal geyser
#

I don't remember if they actually gave a date

maiden lodge
#

They haven't given a firm release date on the patch so I don't know if people should assume it's immediately after or not

somber storm
#

no date

maiden lodge
#

It's after. That's all we know. So guestimate is it's the week after.

somber storm
#

has it been a week?

teal geyser
#

Math sucks

torpid yoke
#

plus the 25th is 6 weeks after 5.5 so its most likely date

teal geyser
#

Fanfest then 3 days to 5.55 sounds very off, I'm sure it's 25th

torpid yoke
#

also someone got murdered immediately and now im curious what they said

teal geyser
#

That was me, that was just me not being able to math

torpid yoke
#

oh

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But yea they usually release the next update to a patch 6 weeks after its initial release

maiden lodge
#

The penalty for being unable to math is now selfmurder

torpid yoke
#

oh no

somber storm
#

Go commit death

heady shadow
#

i cant math.
minecraft chunks are 16x16 and a biuld i have is 109x150 blocks.
i dont know how to math it to know how many blocks i need to fill the area T^T

somber storm
#

Alot

torpid yoke
#

trial and error

balmy mesa
gaunt star
#

Wouldn’t that pll be for 6.0 stuff though

balmy mesa
#

idk, I just assume it's for the patch following since they like to talk about part 2
there's probably gonna be more Bozja stuff they're showing off + the relic weapons for 5.55

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plus a couple of other things to keep us occupied until 6.0 hits

heady shadow
#

my brain says i should just do 106 x 150 but thats like....15000 blocks and i dont think I need that much lmao

#

but thats all the thing i had to say about math

gaunt star
#

I want to see island living. I want to be able to sic my minions on anyone who visits my island

tidal mauve
#

rune factory waiting room

drowsy belfry
#

Nah the Liveletter at Fanfest is for 5.55

#

already confirmed, so it'll just be talking about Zadnor and minor stuff

vapid cape
#

So if we are hydaelyns champion

torpid yoke
#

cant wait to see cruise chaser

vapid cape
#

why dont we have cool resurrection powers likes ascians?

torpid yoke
#

because the wol never learned how to transcend death with their echo

vapid cape
#

we should probably look into that tbh

torpid yoke
#

The echo isnt fully connected to hydaelyn btw, Its essentially an unawakened power

drowsy belfry
#

Being Hydaelyn's champion essentially just lets us not be body nabbed by Ascians

torpid yoke
#

i mean we dont really usually get the chance to try and learn how to transcend death

#

and if we fail without being taught first we uh might not come back XD

tulip geyser
#

Zenos did accident into it but he's weird

#

We dont fully know whats going on with him yet

wary perch
#

Did housing and part of the main city get nuked? Why got emergency maintenance on these areas lol

heady shadow
#

Hmm nkes taste good

torpid yoke
#

i mean its entirely possible to accidentally do it (going off zenos it might be having to have a strong will....or maybe just a PHAT AS-) but we shouldnt just go around trying without a back up plan since its dangerous

tulip geyser
#

Definitely.
I do wonder about Zenos as he seemed to be "at peace" whatever that means for him

heady shadow
#

I know estiniens real eason for sticking with the scions

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||he wants sun-dried squid||

somber storm
#

Nah, ||Estinien X Krile||

serene crest
#

Knew I had it somewhere.

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midnight nymph
#

that short story... poor estinien yikes

coral thicket
#

he can just jump over them

#

i dont see why he doesnt just use a jump

turbid helm
#

He's frozen in fear

coral thicket
#

so is that why krile and tataru are tposing

rough kestrel
#

Whats the emergency maint for?

serene crest
#

Something in the cities and housing broke. No clue what.

drowsy belfry
#

The Polygon Vases came back with a vengeance

serene crest
#

Only Steps of Thal, Upper Decks, Old Gridania, and housing interiors are going off. Everything else will still be up.

#

Probs one of the Easter decorations if I had to guess

spice vessel
#

Where do you think the flesh the towers are made from comes from?

dim sigil
#

From somthing living

#

Theyre all connected to one being

spice vessel
#

and they popped up from underground

#

...lavos

brazen stag
unreal wadi
#

oh hey Chrono Trigger

spice vessel
#

The sound that was heard that caused the Final Days was Lavos' scream

stiff charm
#

i see people talk about lavos but what is it

#

i assume its from chrono trigger right? i still need to get to that

drowsy belfry
#

It'd be hella lame if the big sound was something that could be explained, high key more lame if it was some crossover

#

The Final Days are super cool because it's completely unknown to even the people who were in it what the source of the Sound was

#

So putting a thing behind it is 💤

#

And even worse would be to make it a reference to a completely different IP, not even something original

dim sigil
#

Id rather it never be a big monster or somthing like that

drowsy belfry
#

I honestly don't want it to be a thing we deal with ever tbh

#

"Oh yeah this fucked up the Ancients and their world so badly they needed to Summon a God to rewrite the Laws of the World"

dim sigil
#

Yes pls ty

drowsy belfry
#

"SO anyway here's 3 24 man raids/12 8 man raids to kill it"

rough kestrel
#

I'm entirely okay with it being something Lavos like

#

That sort of mystery doesn't intrigue me.

cosmic herald
#

area maintenance

rough kestrel
#

Cleaning ERP zones yeah

obsidian pagoda
#

When's maint start?

rough kestrel
#

It already started

subtle pasture
#

5 mins ago eureka

obsidian pagoda
#

kek

rough kestrel
#

Do I dare to try.

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subtle pasture
#

It's just the starting cities and inside of houses, yeah

obsidian pagoda
#

You just get stuck in the void for the next hour like Loki in IW

pine epoch
rough kestrel
heady shadow
subtle pasture
#

What is still canon is the horns/keys/aetheric siphons/whatthefuckever

#

so, could be a Tupsimati lore dive? ChenShrug

drowsy belfry
#

We just kinda jumped on that when we heard it was an original raid but like

#

Really wanna waste that on a 24 man? 3 raids and that's it?

pine epoch
#

It's a mystery about eorzea. If you asked me, its gonna be a trip around eorzea to like 3 different major locales that all are involved with some mystery

subtle pasture
#

3 horns, 3 raids. owoah

pine epoch
#

Inb4 its hildy as the 24 man series and were all bamboozled

subtle pasture
#

and, all three- at least in part- are still on Eorzean soil

rough kestrel
#

Godbert Alliance Raid

heady shadow
#

im stupid. what 3 horns?

drowsy belfry
#

Ah but but Glass hear me out yeah

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3 Raids - 3 Regions - Nym, Mhach and Amdapor

subtle pasture
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Dunno, they're literally just called "the horns" or "the keys," one is strapped atop Tupsimati- or what's left of it, one was stolen by Travenchet and we see it was used in Alexander, the last was last seen in Ul'dah and was stolen by another ascian elf in 1.0,

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Travenchet's horn was also found in Seal Rock, notably

pine epoch
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Their effectively magic devices that can channel aether from long distances.

rough kestrel
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The great succ

heady shadow
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wasnt that horn used to summon alexander thoiugh?

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or did he use a different one

subtle pasture
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It wasn't exactly used in Alex's summoning, but it reacted with the Enigma Codex and succ'd Dayan and the rest of their team into some temporal rift,

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or, it at least succ'd Dayan in there, rest of the team apparently just, died.

heady shadow
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if i ever remember i'll prob rewatch the scene

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if there was one

subtle pasture
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But mostly brought them up as we were talkin' at length about the horns the other day and, well, they do stand as an Old Eorzean Mystery™️

pine epoch
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Inb4 24 man is about 2nd era or 5th era stuff. The fire or ice calamity

heady shadow
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okay so if he has the one from 1.0 where the other two?

subtle pasture
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It's the flashback stills when Mide recounts what happened back then, during... Midas?? I think??

heady shadow
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okay i'll give a watch if not there i'll look at Creator

subtle pasture
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One is atop Tupsimati, which I forget if that was lost in Papalymo's ritual over Baelsar's Wall or recovered-- nope, recovered, bc we throw it at Fordola's face in the end of SB

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...I think.

pine epoch
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Tupsimati is currently in schrodinger's mode.

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And we wont know unless the devs decide to magically bring it back.

subtle pasture
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The last known horn was used to break the enchantments on a festival gobbue in Ul'dah-- this is, of course, the incident that killed Warburton Warde... A mysterious man named... Corvegauis?? Or something, absconded with it and shortly after was one of the first reported summonings of Ifrit,

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hinting he was prob an ascian and delivered it to the Amalj'aa,

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Point bein', the Horns/Keys are a solid plot point to be brought up in 6.0 or afterwards in 6.X, esp when Tupsimati's origins make it "a ancient artifact of Sharlayan," and, well, Sharlayan is all but confirmed

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so, not certain of it as a 24man premise or plot point ofc, but, it's there eureka

drowsy belfry
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I mean there are some mysteries left about Nald'Thal

pine epoch
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Funny fact about 1.0 there were supposed to be multiple ascians who are hidden in plain sight but no one noticed cause the code they used to signify they were ascians didnt work. The code was meant to disable their shadows. But never did.

drowsy belfry
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Gelmorra!

heady shadow
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Hmmm..... you might have me be nibbling on that bait there.
you think they;ll say anything about the 24man in fanfest?

drowsy belfry
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Oh hell yeah

pine epoch
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We will get the 24 man title in fanfest

drowsy belfry
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probably just concept artwork tho, cocked teased us with Eden like that too

subtle pasture
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Yeah, title card of sorts, singular line about its story...

heady shadow
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story writer name?

subtle pasture
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Please Look Forward To 6.1 playdead

pine epoch
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A mystery in eorzea is more of a line to provoke us into speculating

heady shadow
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6.1 gonna be like january wont it.....

drowsy belfry
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Uuuuuuuuh

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Let's say for fun it's a September release, October, November, December so maaaaybe late December?

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Oh that'd add up perfectly, they could take their winter vacation between 6.1 and 6.15

pine epoch
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As there is several things that can fit the bill, but I refuse to let people use silvertear. Because I blame myself for being part of what caused that cause of always asking for the presence to return. (Return as something different)

heady shadow
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i mean the only thing have have was some concept art. which can be used for something else and we wouldnt even notice

pine epoch
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Has a name as well but we dont know it.

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I'm certain theyd tell us if prompted in a interview. Me personally I think it will be reused as the final boss of 6.0

heady shadow
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would be nice. Koji says its a sick design

subtle pasture
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My only reason to want it to not be about anything Fifth Astral is just, already got the Shadows of Mhach?

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Or at least, not delve into War of the Magi specifically

pine epoch
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Learn stuff surrounding events leading up to the 2nd calamity or maybe post calamity, or learn stuff leading up to the 5th calamity or post. Idk those 2 feel not touched upon much.

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I mean theres also the 1st calamity and the huge nothing we dont know about before hand

subtle pasture
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inb4 it's going deeper into the Antitower and we go into a set of Promvyions opened up in wake of Hydaelyn's... "death" or what-have-you

pine epoch
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Age of gods as pre wind calamity was called.

obsidian pagoda
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Maybe we'll fight the elementals and finally set Gridania free of whatever political bulshittery they're locked in

heady shadow
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i think the only thing before the 1st calamity was the 13th getting nuked?

subtle pasture
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As a compliment to my ideas of what "Pandaemonium" will turn out to be owoah

drowsy belfry
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Oh shit that's ENTIRELY possible as an "Eorzean Mystery" as well

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24 man based around the 12!

pine epoch
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What was the inspiration for all 12 members of the 12

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Good tag line.

subtle pasture
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The Age of Gods, the time pre-First Umbral Calamity, includes both the "appearance" and "disappearance" of the Twelve, the Fall of the Thirteenth is just an event we can say, for certain, occurred in that stretch of time as well

obsidian pagoda
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4 bosses each, 3 raids. Math checks out.

rough kestrel
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No it doesnt

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3 of those raids in each tier will be fucking nothing, or a rehash.

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Except for the last tier I guess

subtle pasture
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deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerp I don't get it

pine epoch
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The reason nald'thal turned into 2 gods to be a gemini like duo. Was cause Koji wanted to invent a swear word called Thals Balls

rough kestrel
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It's only ever the final fight of a tier that is of any real substance

subtle pasture
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oh, this is for the 24man

pine epoch
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Which is why in ul dah its commonly believed nald thal is 2 gods. While other parts of eorzea believe its 1.

rough kestrel
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A raid on the 12 would be 9 lame incarnations and 3 hype fights.

obsidian pagoda
rough kestrel
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Oh no, it's the Unsundered 2, aether boogaloo

subtle pasture
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Phoenix, Living Liquid, Cruise Chaser, Halicarnassus, Guardian, Chaos, Voidwalker, Ramuh, all of Eden's Promise?

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Anyways,

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I couldn’t see the 12 as a 24man series, not with them plainly as the bosses, at least

obsidian pagoda
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There's nothing to say that they won't be spread out, like some in dungeons some in Trials, etc (if they are in at all)

somber storm
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Imagine the Twelve for MSQ

heady shadow
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inb4 the 12 are the next antagonists for 7.0

balmy mesa
tropic frigate
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im hoping its early fall release for expansion

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i think i counted the delay onto how it changed patches and its possibly early fall assuming they keep a schedule

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then again they are taking a step up this year i dont know if it'll change it

pulsar yacht
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Only thing i know of the street date is late september if nothing bad happens development wise

tropic frigate
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i was thinking somewhere in september too

drowsy belfry
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^ if nothing major happens/happened and no major delays happened since the two month Covid delay

tropic frigate
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i think i had an exact date from the delays but never wrote it anywhere

drowsy belfry
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And with how from Heavensward to Shadowbringers we went from Late June to Early July releases

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then I'd honestly argue that late September is entirely in the ballpark for 6.0

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Like the 20th/27th of September is my guess

rough kestrel
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I've been assuming September, yeah.

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Possibly October, but I think Sep is the one.

balmy mesa
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Last two weeks of September was what I was thinking

turbid helm
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EW dropping when grad school starts. Yikes

rough kestrel
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Thats what you get for being an educated chump

wary perch
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Im gonna die from old age with this nier story being locked behind weekly

carmine basin
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It's something to do while we wait for EW

gaunt star
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There’s something in my left knee telling me EW will release on October 31st Halloween

balmy mesa
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is it an arrow?

wet crown
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So Glagg is acting kinda possessed and Konogg found out about one of the purposes of the seeds.

gaunt star
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Oh that’s right there are weekly nier quests now

wet crown
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Sad when you do a raid but you neither get a gear set piece nor a rando drop at the end

gaunt star
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I do love how in raids they seem to drop all roles into each party. There is no reason why parties of 5 dancers should be allowed or 5 black mages in the same one

balmy mesa
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I do wish there was an option to reshuffle alliances

gaunt star
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Or just block df from grouping all roles together like that would be super

wet crown
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Oh, there is an easter egg after completing Paglth'an

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Eh, I'll just make a screenshot

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I assume that changes based on what GC you're part of.

balmy mesa
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who do you talk to for that?
or is it only applicable during the Ul'dah scene?

tulip geyser
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There definitely have been double AST 5 RDM parties in my rear view

balmy mesa
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eh, double AST isn't so bad - at least they're versatile (for now)

tulip geyser
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I never mind it (except when they OVERWRITE MY DIV AHDHFD) but I definitely have felt like the DF was having a laugh at that sort of fill

placid sail
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oh I have to check out that easter egg

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I'm a first lieutenant of the Maelstrom

somber storm
wet crown
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Reminds me...6.1 might just finally be the time for more GC advancements.

pastel coyote
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Guys my 70 IQ just peak up to 80 and realize something: if we fight zodiark in any form in EW...... he will still be sundered right ? So the other part will still exist.

carmine basin
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4/14 left, 5/14 if you count the 13th, so not that powerful probably

pastel coyote
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I mean wouldn't be strange if even the part on the source is dead, we consider zodiark is gone if his shard still exist ?

carmine basin
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The characters would definitely mention it, if they haven't discussed it beforehand before fighting Zodiark

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They finally brought up the fact that Hydaelyn has been radio silence since HW after all

crystal arrow
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it's clear that that line sorta translates to "we're going to make the GCs more important now on"

pastel coyote
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hmmm what is the highest rank we can have right now ? The 3rd from bot-left right ?

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I was storm captain but didn't get how to be promoted further

carmine basin
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I vaguely remember higher ranks were datamined but not implemented

pastel coyote
balmy mesa
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YoshiP said he is planning to implement additional ranks, he just doesn't know what new stuff to do for them yet

open verge
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I remember trying to switch gcs then I lost my pvp mount and had to spend 50k to get it back omegabruh

balmy mesa
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how did you lose your mount?

open verge
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I swapped gcs

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It’s the frontline horse

wet crown
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you don't lose it, it just becomes inaccessible until you switch back

pastel coyote
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Well i was pretty shit at this GC party thing, all member were almost 60 with the good "strat" to boost their stat but they were still below the requirement stat for most mission

open verge
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Whatever it is I still had to spend 50k to get it back omegabruh

wet crown
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you spent 50k to unlock a different one

open verge
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I guess but I like that mount a lot so I swapped back

dense hull
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oh my glorious god the wheelchair is from the new custom deliveries

distant sonnet
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Like theoretically you can swap around and get all three.

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Ditto on minions

carmine basin
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She tells me I haven't visited in forever then tells me I should be helping someone else wearycarby

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viscid monolith
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Find time to visit her you jerk vierbruh

teal geyser
torpid yoke
crystal arrow
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jokes aside, m'naago def underrated

bold condor
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M'naago.

late aurora
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WoL no, you can’t say that word. You’re gonna get canceled on Twitter!

carmine basin
somber storm
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Tfw no changing M'naago clothes

carmine basin
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Is there anyone who hasn't done this week's nier weekly quest and can record it? I accidentally skipped the weekly cutscene after reporting to the dig site chief ;-;

rough kestrel
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We need more scuffed looking gear in the game, looks great.

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wet crown
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Yeah, remember when Yoshi-P said the devs were thrilled to add Bozjan gear?

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I'm trying to get the full aiming set from the raid right now

rough kestrel
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Yeah, shame the striking set looks so trash, even NPC Samurai will wear the tanking set instead of the striking set

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Pisses me the fuck off. I want the tanking set on SAMs.

stiff charm
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let everyone glam everything yoship

rough kestrel
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If it's not AF gear, it should be fair game

wet crown
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caster, healer and fending set are my favourite from Bozja

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I even dyed them to match the resistance

rough kestrel
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Considering how many models are shared by different classes

wet crown
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Being Hrothgar made it seem fitting

forest magnet
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with the exception of the Judge armor, FFT/FF12 gear as a whole is the ugliest gear in the franchise

wet crown
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don't let the Ivalice bois hear you

rough kestrel
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And then everyone got black, Silver, capes etc.

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Striking: YOU GET GREEN, AND NO CAPE.

forest magnet
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RtI has the ugliest gear sets (yes it's worse than CT's set)

crystal arrow
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rtl sets are bad for one reason

undyable

rough kestrel
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Yeah those SB Alliance sets dont look as cool as I wish they did, them also not being dyable also sucks

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Why, WHY.

wet crown
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Wow. Unfortunate

rough kestrel
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This is just as bad as the butler pants maintaining that weird fold with the chain on certain shirts that should be removing it.

wet crown
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Have you seen the peacelover boots? Whole set looks better without them

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We legit have a nice-looking, worn set of jeans. Then get some ugly cowboy boots for them

rough kestrel
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Well, they're bell bottoms, so they're fucked either way unless you're a chick.

open verge
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Only good part of peace lover is the pants lnao

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And I hate the way it dyes

rough kestrel
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They look okay with the rebel boots

open verge
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It dyes way too light

crystal arrow
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or modern combat vests sad

rough kestrel
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Yeah the whole female model should have been a separate set for both genders and vice versa

open verge
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This entire raid series has been annoying with gender locking

wet crown
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Used the spriggan boots from Hatching Tide 2 years ago

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open verge
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Girls got no 9s gear lol

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Funky hippy cat

wet crown
crystal arrow
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coulda had a yorha armor set for fending sad

wet crown
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you mean the battle armor?

rough kestrel
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Well I just mean they could have made the striking set a vest and camo for both genders and then the scouting set the Anemone set for both genders, or something.

crystal arrow
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yeah that

wet crown
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Ehhhh. Dad-Nier set would've been better

crystal arrow
rough kestrel
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Maiming and Fending should have been Adam and Eve

crystal arrow
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naked?

open verge
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Who did the nier quest this week

wet crown
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I did.

rough kestrel
open verge
rough kestrel
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The top would just be the tattoo

wet crown
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Galagg, the town chief, is acting kinda possessed. Letter from Konogg reveales one of the purposes the seed has.

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Lemme get a screenie

rough kestrel
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becomeasgods OH RIGHT NIER WEEKLY, I FORGOT

open verge
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Oooh interesting

wet crown
open verge
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Kinda wish this wasn’t locked away in weekly smh

wet crown
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ofc we still don't know how the seed obtained machine data

open verge
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So I missed the last week of weekly can I do both this week?

wet crown
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Tbh, if you get all answers at once, then the story wouldn't hold your interest for long.

open verge
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I guess

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But I’m kinda checked out of the story by now

wet crown
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You can do 1 quest per week

open verge
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Ah guess I won’t be doing it omegabruh

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Sub is ending soon you guys will keep me updated penos

carmine basin
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Someone on youtube might compile it when it's done

open verge
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Would be cool if the weekly added to the raids

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Maybe just a little more flavor text idk

rough kestrel
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I mean, it's a blue quest.

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So it's going somewhere

wet crown
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I was hoping for a pod mount, ngl.

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We already have the animations...

open verge
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Is next week the last one?

wet crown
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Was supposed to be 3 quests, so yeah?

severe brook
rough kestrel
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I still think this is leading to an update in 5.55

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And the quests are to fill time.

wet crown
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through?

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that big 'ol ark through a tiny seed?

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There's a sex joke in there

severe brook
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the Ark's not physical

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it's a mass of data. i mean in the literal sense that it passed through the Seed like a satellite signal

open verge
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For the weekly I have to run the 24 man right

rough kestrel
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Wait a minute, did the first quest always take you into Copied? It gave me the option of Puppets but I chose Copied. No Monk you just explore the instance.

open verge
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Reallly!

rough kestrel
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Yep

open verge
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The entire reason why I didn’t do the quest was because I though I had to run the instance lol

rough kestrel
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Yeah nah you're just going back into instances

open verge
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Damn now I feel stupid lmfao

wet crown
rough kestrel
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Yeah but I was trying to confirm if this is because I originally chose copie

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Or if people who chose puppets have to go into puppets

torpid yoke
wet crown
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Oh?

torpid yoke
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:D

open verge
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10?

torpid yoke
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get ready for the long haul that is yoko taro

wet crown
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That's fine with me. Not like Doma was done in a week

torpid yoke
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maybe not 10 but theres more than just 3

rough kestrel
#

10 weeks means this is suppose to last until 55

open verge
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Wish we could binge if I missed a week

rough kestrel
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I'm telling you, this shit is leading to an update.

open verge
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omegabruh It probably is

wet crown
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it should lead to a pod mount

open verge
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But I’m never subbed that long

rough kestrel
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And .55 will drop and people will go "NO I DIDNT DO IT BECAUSE I WAS MAAAAD"