#retired-patch-6-3-discussion

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gentle heron
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Yes, and who better to be slain by than the great WoL himself

distant sonnet
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Boys got a post quarantine zest for overcomplicated plans and life.

teal geyser
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Unless we assume he is dead

gentle heron
teal geyser
gentle heron
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Aha

distant sonnet
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As if we won't fight and defeat Zenos, then have Fandaniel prance about for a moment so Zenos can gank and drink him to achieve his final form. Pfft.

gentle heron
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Bloody artificial echo ftw am I right

teal geyser
gentle heron
distant sonnet
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Depending on whatever sea of souls thing Zenos was on about in the trailer, he might not need white auracite.

oak pike
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our final battle with zenos and there's fandaniel in the background doing orange justice

late aurora
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“WoL, we have reports that Zenos just wiped out Tomato Town”

next quarry
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tomato town...?

gloomy shale
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we bout to get down?

oak pike
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Get DOWN!

gloomy shale
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maybe the new alliance raid will be a Fortnite crossover

maiden lodge
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never mind for some reason that's not what I'd editted

kindred rampart
bold condor
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number one victory royale, rhalgr's reach we bouta get down
ten kills on the floor right now, fordola killing meffrid now
y'shtola goes down
lyse attacks me, and pipin inbound
concentrativity takes them out see
warrior of light make me horny

take me to shinryu to fight the wol today
you can take the storm and swell but not ame
i really love to
fight fight with you
we can tower above the gods

oak pike
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fuck romka haha

teal geyser
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I want to @ a mod but I can't

next quarry
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oh

oak pike
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man Zenos gonna be so happy in END when we fight him

distant sonnet
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Nonono

kindred rampart
dim sigil
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That would definitely help a lot that's tell is I imagine stupid easy but it's just the one thing that's escaping me

severe brook
distant sonnet
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This is a lot of cursed in a very short amount of time

maiden lodge
severe brook
late aurora
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STAHP, never again

dim sigil
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I have been told it's the exact same mechanic in normal mode so I can also just maybe practice that until I can understand

clever flume
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oh god please don't meme hydaelyn cultist words

dim sigil
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Other than this annoying little thing I understand the fight perfectly well up to numbers

clever flume
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i should've never reposted their stuff azasigh

rough kestrel
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Thanalan 2.0 has zero appeal to me, show me Sharlayan hub already SE.

bold condor
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number one victory royale, yeah eulmore we bouta get down
sin eaters in a swarm right now, they just wiped out radisca's round
that man just got downed, ardbert can't help so we're heading westbound
look at lyna, now she's crying
taunt the sinners while i'm flying

take me to mt. gulg to eat some meol today
you can pet forgiven obscenity but not that way
i really want to
eat meol with you
we can be pro lightwardens

severe brook
maiden lodge
severe brook
distant sonnet
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I really, really love the hydaelyn cultist shitposts.

bold condor
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honestly at this point? same

distant sonnet
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Its a shitpost work of art.

severe brook
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We cannot appeal to edgelords.

clever flume
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you're a monster and i hate you

maiden lodge
rough kestrel
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What mechanic are we talking about.

maiden lodge
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So I feel ya mate. 3 minutes it should be uploaded btw

dim sigil
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I just followed the group and it works for the most part but I'd like to know what I'm actually doing

teal geyser
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you can pet forgiven obscenity but not that way

Fuck you @bold condor Imma do it anyway

maiden lodge
bold condor
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my feelings on hydaelyn cultist

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dim sigil
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The dash after zig zag

rough kestrel
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He literally faces one of two orbs at the end and blasts that side.

maiden lodge
oak pike
clever flume
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did you see what they posted last night/this morning rommy?

bold condor
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no

severe brook
next quarry
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you can look while in the safe spot for auri arts first dashes

rough kestrel
maiden lodge
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Yeah that's a good screenie

distant sonnet
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New hydaelyn cultist lore? Oh my.

severe brook
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it is beautiful, and you must witness it

dim sigil
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So you're supposed to look for it when he is after the zigzag not before then

bold condor
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me, the moment hydaelyn cultist returns:

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clever flume
distant sonnet
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I wish we had it compiled somewhere.

severe brook
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also my N key is acting up again, wonderful

maiden lodge
viscid monolith
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Fuck healers fuck all ranged

clever flume
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eanae and whale made new anti spam just to deal with them so we may not see more of it

rough kestrel
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@dim sigil After the Zigzag just look at which way he faces, you have plenty of time

clever flume
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they came in like....7 times or something? was kind of wild

severe brook
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I want to believe that Hydaelyn is a good Primal, and will believe so until proven otherwise.
You know I might technically be of this stance, but at least i'm willing to accept the alternative

and at least i didn't go that far with the rest of it i mean what the fuck

rough kestrel
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I like Diamond EX alot, its quick and constant, I find Emerald a much more tedious fight.

maiden lodge
teal geyser
oak pike
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praise hydaelyn T poses

rough kestrel
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And I got the Blade weapon while helping a friend clear Jacobnut

oak pike
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didnt know ** italic things

clever flume
rough kestrel
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It's great to help make a point

clever flume
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and if you do double *, you get bold!

late aurora
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Yep 7 times, all in the span of maybe 2 hours

serene crest
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Three * to get bold italics although it doesn't really work on mobile lol

severe brook
viscid monolith
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You know that part of Diamond of where everyone has to spread?

clever flume
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dad bod varis hurts even more now

maiden lodge
rough kestrel
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Emerald yeah

oak pike
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Dad bod varis is the true varis

maiden lodge
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Or the cones?

viscid monolith
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Tell me, why do ranged feel the fucking need to stand in fucking melee range during the spread?

strange wing
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Varis in Dad gear is horrifying to consider

maiden lodge
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I can answer that.

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As a RDM, or as a BLM?

distant sonnet
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Wait it said there was an accompanying image in the text

viscid monolith
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Stupid pieces of dumb shit. Fucking subhuman trash

clever flume
maiden lodge
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No no, there's good reason.

rough kestrel
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@viscid monolith I fucking dont know, I ran into this shit in E5S with the clouds and it pissed me off constantly, everytime.

viscid monolith
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It was a WHM

distant sonnet
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Please tell me you have that image

teal geyser
oak pike
viscid monolith
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It was a fucking WHM

maiden lodge
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Okay WHM is dumb. But BLM is doing it to minimize movement to and from the teleporter.

clever flume
maiden lodge
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And RDM often has combo up then and there.

viscid monolith
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It was a Farm party. We wiped at 0.5% and 2%

teal geyser
viscid monolith
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We did the whole fucking fight twice and got nothing out of it

rough kestrel
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I'd get the cloud marker in E5S because I'm in melee range but an RDM is like peeking inside Ramuh's anus at the time for some reason.

maiden lodge
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Cause melee has like, a FUCKTON of space they can be

distant sonnet
late aurora
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Also it’s claymation

oak pike
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cult of hydaelyn gonna spread

maiden lodge
clever flume
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yeah they are claymation type images

distant sonnet
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I have two of the ones from a couple months back, but.

viscid monolith
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I am 2 seconds away from throwing my phone against a wall and turning it to dust

clever flume
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I wanna say they were from a movie maybe? not sure

rough kestrel
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It happened constantly in PF, typica PF bullshit

viscid monolith
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Also fuck Red Mages stay in you lane ranged dps

teal geyser
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Also Kael btw Gaius art worse than the Varis dad bod

maiden lodge
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Yeah I dunno, Virtus, THAT I can't explain. Diamond caster-in-melee at least makes sense as an uptime thing

clever flume
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which gaius art?

maiden lodge
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Naw, you're melee on a wideload boss with no positionals. YOU move.

rough kestrel
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I guess so, but also fuck off out of melee anyway

teal geyser
maiden lodge
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I'm staying in melee at the teleporter.

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Probably the corner cause you know, not a total dick

rough kestrel
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I usually know pretty well the second Emerald comes up and get into my spot first

clever flume
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its someone's random au ra, the gaius image doesn't look that bad? unless you're talking like the full image because its pretty clearly cropped

teal geyser
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The face proportions just upset me a lot more Kael idk

rough kestrel
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"Dont worry, ranged players, I'll just stand with only the back of one heel on the platform shall I?"

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And just be mostly floating

clever flume
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dad bod varis is the worst, more so now with the whole...pregnant angle

maiden lodge
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Hey, as long as I can hop on the platform between my dualcasts and I'm not stuck in delaware when I need to melee I'm happy

viscid monolith
maiden lodge
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Oh yeah the other reason RDM goes into melee. I DIE IF I BACKFLIP IF I DONT

Not that I'd do that there.

viscid monolith
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Use the attack they gave Red Mages specifically in case a platform is too small to backflip

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That's what it's fucking there for

maiden lodge
oak pike
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wait can RDM back flip in Diamond EX?

rough kestrel
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I had a run yesterday where I had a blue dot (Making me 1 in Limit Cut) I jump to my spot, a tank also moves into my spot, we both get fucked He's like "I was 1, Blue SAM" And I'm like "I had a single blue dot, what do you mean"

Tank leaves party immediately

maiden lodge
distant sonnet
maiden lodge
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You got LOTS of room you can be and still get uptime. Let your casters cast.

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That WHM's a dick though

distant sonnet
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As for the one on Ramuh.. yeah no idea. The clouds were pretty perfectly timed for me to yeet myself out into next week.

maiden lodge
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Yah I generally lived at range in Ramuh

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Those safe spots man

viscid monolith
distant sonnet
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The spookiest part of Ramuh on red was moving a bit to make the triangle janky on chain lightning so I could melee combo.

viscid monolith
maiden lodge
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But yeah you shouldn't be backflipping during the emerald thing

viscid monolith
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A bit under losing a positional tyvm

maiden lodge
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ehhh, caster bonus

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Comes out in the wash. Point is, it's a melee-friendly fight

viscid monolith
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Anyway my arms have gone numb from anger

distant sonnet
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Could just shift slightly and let ranged have the room they need with no appreciable loss on your part at all, but.. I mean.

maiden lodge
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I would HATE to be BLM on it, clipping for days on those teleports

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but yeah, during the magitek bits + emerald, there's plenty of slots, especially seeing as one light party is south, one is north, and there's melee slots for everyone.

viscid monolith
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If I'd moved to the right or left I would have gotten hit by the hand lasers

maiden lodge
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Yeah but you got a LOT of room to go forward or back

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Max melee is pretty far out there

distant sonnet
viscid monolith
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Dude I was right at the teleporter and they were behind me

maiden lodge
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Yeah, that's what I'm saying

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Casters have priority at the spot near the teleporter.

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They lose uptime if they're not. You don't.

viscid monolith
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I lose uptime if I'm away from the boss

maiden lodge
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I'm not telling you to get off the boss.

viscid monolith
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And a WHM's uptime is fuck all to an actual dps

forest magnet
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I tune back here and I see people discussing "pregnant Varis"

rough kestrel
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Diamond EX is my favorite EX of the Expansion, very little forced downtime, just go go go and kill the boss

viscid monolith
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I was so angry I didn't acknowledge it

gloomy shale
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cloud ex is so funny watching everything go perfectly in pugs and then when numbers hits it just falls aparts lol

rough kestrel
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SoS has pyretic and thus is an absolute shit fight, spectacle aside.

viscid monolith
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Also fuck the towers

distant sonnet
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SoS would be my favorite if Pyretic wasn't so dogshit. The only worse mechanic is directional parry.

torpid yoke
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Everytime I've done limit cut I get killed by someone else's number

maiden lodge
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Here's just a few safe spots--you don't need to be in the hitbox as melee, so you moving so casters can cast costs you nothing.

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torpid yoke
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Very not poggers man

viscid monolith
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WHY IS EVERYONE SO CLOSE

distant sonnet
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I haven't set foot into Diamond EX yet, but will be in a few hours.

gloomy shale
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my least fav mechanic is using knockback immunity, it always lags

maiden lodge
distant sonnet
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Yeah but thats just.. use it ahead of time forehead

maiden lodge
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(also that one happened to be saphire)

torpid yoke
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I get in the back since ppl are dumb and I'm range phys

maiden lodge
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Ranged phys can gtfo

viscid monolith
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There is no reason. For people to be that close. It is an unnecessary risk. And what are you gaining from it? An infinitesimally small amount of dps that gets erased by you not crittiing your next Glare?

distant sonnet
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As a general rule, movement is bad unless necessary.

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Staying close also makes aoe heals easier, etc, etc.

viscid monolith
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You know damn well those platforms are small enough for aoe to reach from the back

distant sonnet
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I can already hear my Ast screaming at us to get in the star immediately after that.

torpid yoke
maiden lodge
distant sonnet
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Slidecasting is love. Slidecasting is life.

torpid yoke
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Tech step sucks on diamond ex QuQ

distant sonnet
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Source: 2.0-3.0 blm main

maiden lodge
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As a RDM, admittedly, you have more room, but my ass is casting the SECOND I come out that teleporter. You moving costs 0 dps. Your argument for not moving is invalid.

maiden lodge
torpid yoke
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On some you can most you can't unless you hold it

maiden lodge
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but honestly, all 8 players can be in melee range if the front line schooches enough

maiden lodge
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Then that will line everything up again

wet crown
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once again I'm fining myself questioning a detail of the NieR raid story

The very first line of the False Idol. You will be among the first to see the new world.
Coming from a seed...that's odd.

torpid yoke
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I always hold there if I have it (which I don't think I should since I have to hold earlier to get full uptime)

wet crown
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The seeds are also known as seeds of rebirth though...

maiden lodge
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Oh right there's that one auri arts that makes things awkward

torpid yoke
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Only way to get everyone with tech is probably everyone is right at the ledges

maiden lodge
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I don't think embolden reaches across so I doubt it

heady shadow
wet crown
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I wonder.

torpid yoke
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Though I guess I always accidentally delay tech there even though I have 15 seconds for it

wet crown
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Are the seeds for destruction for anything human and rebirth for everything else?

maiden lodge
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fuck part of me wants to go make a strong cup of coffee, whiten it with hazelnut whitener and start putting in some DiX work but that involves getting out fo bed

torpid yoke
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DiX?

maiden lodge
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Diamond Ex

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But I can make it lewd and call it DiX

heady shadow
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you just put a dead thing into it as its reborn as a 'angel/monster etc.

when you activate one the 'data' from the body goes into the rest of them and creates more

torpid yoke
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Do it later in the day so I can come with and pad your numbers :D

heady shadow
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and they kill everything that moves iirc

wet crown
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I know how they work. I'm talking specifics here

heady shadow
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theres never been a rebirth

distant sonnet
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Its all fairly vague, unfortunately. I assume we don't want to touch 2 and the Bone Casket

wet crown
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They are called that before it's revealed to be destruction.

heady shadow
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it was a fake myth. a lie. the Watchers and Gods joke saying ''ha ha you fell for it''

wet crown
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hmm

heady shadow
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whats his name put Furiae in one because he thought it was for Rebirth.

wet crown
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Inuart

heady shadow
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right.

distant sonnet
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Is 2 considered canon, even though its on a dead timeline?

torpid yoke
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The gods are assholes so its probably for a world reset in a way

maiden lodge
heady shadow
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No. D2 is fanfiction.

wet crown
distant sonnet
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Well yeah, but there were Seed mechanics in 2 that would be important, regardless of timeline connectivity. But yeah, we won't touch it then

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The other thing is that the beings from the Seed as we see them in 14 do not operate like the seeds in Drakengard. We have seemingly benevolent beings coming from the seed, which.. shouldn't be how they do.

heady shadow
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youi can tell its not canon because it has a happy ending

distant sonnet
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The androids are easy to explain, but Anogg is harder.

wet crown
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Anogg is the reason why it makes me question wether the seed is only meant for destruction for humanity

severe brook
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honestly in a weird way, the Nier Raid basically just showed us that the Bone Casket stuff from D2 is still present

wet crown
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and rebirth for anything else

visual spade
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wtf

clever flume
distant sonnet
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Wat

severe brook
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it's a joke about Furiae from D1

heady shadow
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THERE WAS S TYPO

severe brook
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...presumably

heady shadow
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jesus christ let me fix it before reacting

rough kestrel
visual spade
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Anogg's role is very confusing still, and we simply don't know a lot

severe brook
visual spade
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One thing that catches my eye: in the Factory raid, she mentions that Machines shouldn't have thoughts or sentience

clever flume
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don't make a typo next time, easy

distant sonnet
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... Anyhoo.
The androids make sense because like.. murdering machines is what they intrinsically do, so its fine.

visual spade
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And is told differently by 2P

wet crown
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that's true to a degree

rough kestrel
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2P is very human in the raid Dialogue

clever flume
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growing wings was in d1 tho

visual spade
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Presumably the Factory itself was hacked by 9S

rough kestrel
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"Dammit, missiles incoming!" etc.

visual spade
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It doesn't appear that it came from the Seed, because it's so overgrown.

wet crown
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Machine aren't made with the ability to feel. But they can learn to feel, as seen by Pascal in Automata.

visual spade
severe brook
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2P appears to have gotten subsumed by the Red Girl intellect after she died that first time, which is why she seems more emotional when she shows up again in this last part

wet crown
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Yes.

distant sonnet
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Yeah. Machines don't have thoughts or sentience but wait they actually do! is hammered home repeatedly in Automata.

rough kestrel
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My interpretation based on the data logs was the ark crashed on the First and 9S did reconnaissance, the left over Machine network built its own factory as well.

visual spade
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In the Factory, you hear a gibberish noise on the intercom. 2P identifies it as a warning.

wet crown
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We don't know if this raid is even based on Ending space voyage at this point

visual spade
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In the Tower, 9S repeats his line "there's no reason to anything Machines do"

severe brook
visual spade
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2P can identify the machine language -- 9S cannot.

wet crown
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Machines imitate human behaviour but they do not reflect properly on it and just do

rough kestrel
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And expanded back into the Red Girl that we saw at the end, one of Automata's big things is the Machines are doomed to repeat the same process over and over, it restarted, they rebuilt themselves, Network inevitably evolves into Red Girl/Watcher shit because thats what it always leads to.

wet crown
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at least the basic ones cannot learn

distant sonnet
visual spade
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How come the Factory is overgrown, but the Bunker is not?

distant sonnet
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Isn't the Bunker still like, actively on fire? As if it had just crashed?

visual spade
severe brook
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because the Factory was built based on records of it being overgrown

distant sonnet
maiden lodge
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The overgrownness is part of the copy

visual spade
severe brook
visual spade
rough kestrel
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We can assume at the very least (And I always thought this would be the case) that the 2B and 9S we met are not the ones from Ending E with A2

wet crown
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at best dust, at worst salt

visual spade
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Salt?

severe brook
distant sonnet
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And at even worst God Dust.

late aurora
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Salt in nier is a real bad

visual spade
distant sonnet
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But yeah. Salt is very, very bad.

visual spade
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The one that led to the creation of Shades?

wet crown
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WCS makes people turn into salt statues

rough kestrel
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White Chlorination syndrome turns people to salt if they refuse the pact with gods (If they refuse to be tempered/turned into Sineaters basically)

severe brook
candid pewter
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Salt and ash in nier is usually a sign of death

visual spade
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So what is the significance of it being there?

distant sonnet
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Fakeout fanservice. 😛

wet crown
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an ill omen

maiden lodge
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It's the remains of the bath salts that were used during the writing of.... /s

next quarry
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my thancred fanficiton

severe brook
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i would presume it means the Seed tried to be more direct in creating a Queen the first time, only for it to get killed before it could do anything

distant sonnet
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In actuality, it could be remains of previous shit the seed threw at 9S.

severe brook
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so they had to be more indirect with 2P and the Red Girl after that attempt failed

distant sonnet
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As could be the corpse room.

wet crown
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that's fair

visual spade
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It's coating a bunch of dead Machines

candid pewter
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In the original nier, the song that plays during the intro sequence is called "snow in summer"

heady shadow
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WCS is Watcher shit from drakengard brought over from Caims fight in ending E

wet crown
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it really could've been a mother beast that 9S killed before

candid pewter
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And it's not because the weather is messed up

rough kestrel
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Originally in DG the Seeds show up when a world is on the virge of destruction, I assumed they showed up on The First because it was about to be rejoined, but I dont think thats the case.

wet crown
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but it's never shown so eh

heady shadow
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which all should have been shot back into the other world by the time Nier takes place

severe brook
rough kestrel
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Yeah WCS is basically "Magic particles in IRL actually just leads to people dying"

heady shadow
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yeah Queen beast is a watcher

rough kestrel
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And I think we're suppose to infer the DG1 Queen Beast was an intoner? from 3?

wet crown
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Nope.

heady shadow
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No.

distant sonnet
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Or.. tied to intoner bullshit, anyway

severe brook
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and yeah, by the time of Nier all WCS and Maso was gathered back into Tokyo and launched to another dimension. which is implied to be the origin of magic in D3, where their timeline splits from default Earth when a modern city full of magic and monsters shows up in the middle of medieval Spain.

wet crown
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No. Intoners. Past DG3.

heady shadow
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completely differnt beast but tied to Black flower which is tied to the Watchers which is also tied to dragons from a alternate dimension from Merculious Gate in Cathedral city that appeared creating the Time split creating normal Earth and Drakngard timelines

severe brook
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i don't think the D1 Intoner was meant to be one of the six from D3, but they're the same kind of being

distant sonnet
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Yeah. There isn't a direct "this is actually this" because... well.

heady shadow
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that is the oversimplfied version

distant sonnet
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There are a few answers why, some of them far more cynical than others. Ehva hates me enough already, so I'll relent on it. 😛

wet crown
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Brother One is not an intoner. He was a disciple.

rough kestrel
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I'd have been more okay if we just had Accord show up out of no where and go "What the fuck, no this is not how the timelines and routes are suppose to work, sorry about that' and makes everything disappear, I'd be fine with that more than being left with all the questions I have, as she is essentially outside of everything.

heady shadow
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well yes but no ||he was created by sister One through her Rib||

wet crown
late aurora
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Isn’t Yoko Taro’s wild ride just the best

placid sail
heady shadow
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also its implied they both ||banged||

severe brook
wet crown
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why are you pinging me for this though?

wet crown
severe brook
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i thought you had been responding to me saying there were six Intoners

distant sonnet
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And the sisters were actually Zero Clones, and its.. a whole thing. But yes. The only intoners are Zero and her five sisterclones.

next quarry
severe brook
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well they're clones based on ||her memories of other people that she was imprisoned and executed with||

distant sonnet
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Yeah but that just muddies the waters further.

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And Yoko Taro dwells in muddy water indeed.

heady shadow
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theres a wiki that has most of all this neatly tucked into things.

wet crown
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Okay look. The intoners don't matter much past DG3.

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Takeaway from DG3 for the rest of the timeline is Zero bringing the pact forging magic into life and Brother One being made.

maiden lodge
rough kestrel
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Right I remember the intoners all being born from Zero, so is our Raid Queen Beast suppose to be based on Zero, or is this thing a version of 2B that we've lost track of. Because it's quite clearly 2B + Red Girl, but I don't know why its 2B.

distant sonnet
#

Well. Raid Queen beast is based on Zero who is based on A2 who is based on Kaine...

wet crown
#

What, no. No A2 in there...well...

rough kestrel
#

2B is a similar model to A2 though.

maiden lodge
distant sonnet
rough kestrel
#

I guess so, OKAY, so who the fuck is 2P in all of this and why does she matter.

maxresdefault.jpg
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All I want from the raid is Where did 2P come from and where did this seed come from, Thats all I really need.

wet crown
#

Her Infloresence

  • 2P's head
  • Red Girl's head on top
  • lunar tear flower decorations
  • Kainé's theme
  • Tokyo(?)/Old World in the backround
distant sonnet
#

A2 is apparently based on personality data from Kaine. Or something.

rough kestrel
#

That I know

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though I always wondered how they got Kaine's data

wet crown
distant sonnet
severe brook
#

yeah 2P's consciousness had been assimilated into the Red Girl, so she manifests as part of Her Inflorescence

rough kestrel
#

gthink Well, I guess we'll know soon enough if the Remake has anything to say

viscid monolith
severe brook
rough kestrel
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Thats easy enough, but why, to me that implies it learned from her capabilities, but when

viscid monolith
#

The Seed can make 1000 2Ps. Honestly considering one beat 9S I don't see why it doesn't just do that.

dim sigil
#

Who is 2b and is she important

wet crown
#

the theme of flowers is omnipresent throught Drakennier lore

severe brook
rough kestrel
#

@viscid monolith It's a really long OGCD

late aurora
#

2b is hot android girl

wet crown
viscid monolith
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So it can make copies

severe brook
#

also, granted, 2p only beat 9s in the 1v1 after we had beaten him piloting the Artillery Unit, so he wouldn't be at his A-Game

viscid monolith
#

How and when did it scan the Ark who the fuck knows Yoko Taro is a hack

rough kestrel
#

So is it mere fucking coincidence the Ark landed here and the Seeds appeared here also?

viscid monolith
#

The Ark didn't land here

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It's in space in another dimension

rough kestrel
#

The coins saying "The Arc" really fucking upsets me because Ark and Arc are different things.

severe brook
#

i saw it that the Ark passed through the Seed back in the Nier universe, and then the Seed entered this world

wet crown
#

One thing we absolutely don't know is how a seed got to Norvrandt

distant sonnet
#

Okay so I could totally pull an argument out of my ass that the seed could have scanned the arc. Somehow.

severe brook
#

so it still stored a copy of the Ark's data to use as a reference, but the Ark itself never arrived in the XIV-verse

viscid monolith
#

Yes. I was told this I don't know where this is all said

severe brook
#

i think i was the one who said it

rough kestrel
#

I think we're inferring but I'll take it.

distant sonnet
#

Now I could bullshit a reason for how a seed got to copy the Arc data. Probably.

rough kestrel
#

Or extrapolating, but still

distant sonnet
viscid monolith
#

Oh if we're inferring everything I just said is bullshit. I refuse to do the writer's job for them they can fuck off

distant sonnet
#

He gets around the hard part of writing by leaving the intercrossing details vague and making fans squint really hard and making up their own connections.

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This is because hes more interested in the grand themes of things than the nitty gritty nerd details, to be fair

rough kestrel
#

I mean ultimately what he does isn't much different to Fromsoft.

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He plants the seeds and we water them.

distant sonnet
#

Right. Its not an intrinsically bad thing. Its just.. how he do.

rough kestrel
#

I totally get why people hate that shit, but I love it

distant sonnet
#

The details exist to tell contained stories and get the message into being. They don't exist to fill science and history textbooks of an actual world.

viscid monolith
#

It's lazy. The actual answers to all this shit is we don't know.

rough kestrel
#

As a Kojima fan, I'm all about it.

severe brook
#

i mean the weekly quest stuff could also contradict all of this. which kinda sucks

distant sonnet
viscid monolith
#

It would be less bullshit if there was even a hint of what we just said in XIV.

severe brook
#

because this is the one way that it really fits but also this is barely explained in the story itself

distant sonnet
#

( I'm just of the opinion that the Nier raid's story doesn't. )

viscid monolith
severe brook
distant sonnet
#

But it works perfectly fine in the Nier games themselves.

rough kestrel
#

@viscid monolith The hints are based on patterns in other games though mainly "We've seen x do y before, therefore..."

distant sonnet
viscid monolith
#

You have to do some leg work in the game you're writing this for.

rough kestrel
#

My only real complaint with the raid is each raid feels like the start of a different story, every time.

wet crown
#

I also love stories that leave things a mystery and open to interpretation

rough kestrel
#

Copied Factory gave you plenty to work with and all of that fell apart with Puppets.

distant sonnet
#

I'm not even talking about tying it into 14. As a standalone thing which it is, I think the Nier raid story lacks something the other entries hes done don't. I dunno.

rough kestrel
#

Like the thing I still struggle is where the fuck was 2B hiding during CF

distant sonnet
#

Its probably because its just such a referrential thing and has all these characters we think we should know.

rough kestrel
#

She literally popped in out of nowhere.

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9S is kind of the only throughline in the story

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Though that in it's self is kind of interesting gthink

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I dont give a flying fuck about Ivalice and I find Nier infinitely more compelling, but I cannot deny the fact Ivalice fans get drowned in exposition and lore and that can be kind of nice, even if its not lore I'd ever give a fuck about.

severe brook
distant sonnet
#

It was kinda telling that between each of the raids, I had NO idea where the fuck the story was going.

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We had no threads whatsoever to work with.

severe brook
#

because what Copied Factory was implying feels really different compared to how Tower ended

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also give us Simone

rough kestrel
#

We had a few threads after CF that worked internally in my brain based on the data logs. But Puppets threw all of that out the window and had the nerve to call the quest "Everything you know is wrong"

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"Well I guess fuck me then"

distant sonnet
#

I mean.. that was just to confirm that we were the baddies, for those who didn't know that 9Ss eyes weren't red in the post CF cutscene meant that.

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Guess we shouldn't just commit mass murder for the first pretty face to ask us to.

rough kestrel
#

It's not my fault, the game made me, Yoshida is to blame

severe brook
#

it is a bit of a Spec Ops the Line way of handling it

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"You decided to play the game! Feel awful about it."

rough kestrel
#

The thing I find really strange is how much Yoshida and Yoko talked up the Raid and the plans they had for it, it's a huge disconnect.

distant sonnet
#

I originally thought it was going to parallel someone else in Shadowbringers. "Hey, its okay to murder all of these things because they're just emulating having thoughts and emotions anyway, they aren't really alive." Boy that sounds like someone else we know, doesn't it~

severe brook
#

even though i like both NieR and Spec Ops' twists, Undertale is the only one that really can pull that theme off because it's the only one that really gives you a choice

rough kestrel
#

Oh 9S you cheeky boy

distant sonnet
#

But then it just wasn't that.

severe brook
#

yeah the unfortunate thing is Automata in particular overlaps with ShB in a lot of themes, and this raid didn't go into any of them

rough kestrel
#

And also shit like how it would be nice to have 9S and 2B go "Wait what the fuck, a real human???"

distant sonnet
#

Technically none of us are human. 😛

severe brook
#

yeah they took the sudden reexistence of humanity pretty well
okay Hyur at least are just about Homo Sapiens Sapiens

rough kestrel
#

@severe brook I seriously thought they were going to do like an implication of WCS being a form of forreal tempering. Because its identical to the sineater shit. That would have been amazing.

severe brook
#

though all Spoken are considered 'human'
and granted, we saw that on Meracydia even reptilian sapients were also considered 'man'

viscid monolith
#

iirc both 2B and 9S are aware they're in another dimension

severe brook
#

since one of Zurvan's followers is present in Tiamat's flashback

viscid monolith
#

They don't bring it up ever though

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We just hear it after the final boss

distant sonnet
#

You'd think they'd react somehow though, yeah. Especially in like.. the puppets bunker, for example. Its a shame 2B fucked off for the whole raid, because her explaining what was up with the "Glory to Mankind" screen would have been neat. Alas

wet crown
dim sigil
#

Its just a foreshadowing we're actually a andorid

visual spade
rough kestrel
#

The neat thing to me was the fact it took 24 fucking humans to fight 9S.

visual spade
#

It's all based on 2B's memories. Noteworthy you only see 2B and 9S's bedrooms

distant sonnet
wet crown
#

24 to fight 9S in a walker

rough kestrel
#

@visual spade Oh thats true, and 210

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Not her bedroom, but her presence

wet crown
visual spade
rough kestrel
#

I'd love an item that lets you turn Retainers into NPCs as like a new wholebody glam item.

wet crown
#

YoRHa units are focused on their missions. Nothing says they didn't feel absolutely overwhelmed by humans in their vicinity. But there is also an issue with the different races we all have that I don't like to adress because I'm lazy.

visual spade
#

YoRHa units have never met a human

severe brook
visual spade
#

All the humans are "on the moon"

rough kestrel
#

Like Zodiark

distant sonnet
#

Nothing says that they were overwhelmed by all the humans in their vicinity either though, so theres a limit to the benefit of the doubt I'm willing to give that without being given something.

severe brook
#

the Sin-Eater method attacks the body first and works in. Tempering attacks the soul first and spreads out.

rough kestrel
#

All this fucking overlap and Yoko takes a fucking backroad to get as far away from that as possible

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He would, I suppose.

severe brook
#

and Sin-Eater transformation is always Light/Umbral, whereas Tempering is based on the Element and while it umbralizes the soul, it doesn't attune the victim entirely to Umbral

wet crown
#

Guys.

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Races.

What if every single participant is either a Ronso or Dwarf?

rough kestrel
#

?

distant sonnet
#

Then explain that we're not human. We're almost human but not quite. Even hyur.

#

Not human as they're given to know them. And thats it. You're good. Explain something.

wet crown
#

ffs don't make me explain this, I'm too lazy right now

distant sonnet
#

I'm frustrated because instead of explaining something they opted to explain nothing and let fans fill it in.

rough kestrel
#

We're biological sentient entities though which is ultimately the point

distant sonnet
#

Stop writing for them, they get paid.

wet crown
distant sonnet
#

Some inference is fine and important and good. There is a line and the raid sits on the other side of it.

maiden lodge
wet crown
#

Ehva Taco of the Silent J [Lich] suffers from the status 🚮 S L O T H

rough kestrel
#

I still think we aren't done yet, but I also feel like this feels like MGSV and I'll be expecting something and get nothing. But I like to think they really did mean it when they said they went crazy with the content.

distant sonnet
#

Look man its fine to disagree, I don't respect you any less for it. I just remain unconvinced. And I do still hope the followup quests do something.

#

I suspect they'll do nothing. We'll see.

maiden lodge
#

MGSV's not quite 'nothng'

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BUt... if you're expecting more story out of the nier raid after 3 goes at the plate and not... really... doing much... with the FFXIV world

distant sonnet
#

Besides, by the point of the Nier raid, even a Hrothgar/Ronso has part of a human Soul, if we're counting Hyurs as human. 😛

wet crown
#

I don't take it personally of course. But you have to understand that the player's choice of race also factors in how much they can do with dialogue. In case of...YoRHa units, it could drastically change dialogue. And the writers don't do that. Only small lines.

maiden lodge
distant sonnet
#

So do something about that. You know its gonna be a big deal, it has to be. If thats the case, give us a Hyur npc to interact with them while we do it. Make up an excuse. Maybe we have to go get crafterman from the Tempest to fix a part.

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Then they can address him instead of us and we're golden.

wet crown
#

Just assume for now they are just super focused on their mission but still feel overwhelmingly thrilled. But do not express it outwards.

distant sonnet
#

Do something instead of nothing.

carmine basin
#

Re:2B and 9S not reacting to us being human, they're in another world so we probably count more as aliens than human to them. The actual human they want to serve are long dead 🤷‍♀️

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We're not their human creators, the one they're programmed to serve

distant sonnet
#

And how much they actually want to serve humans is up for debate, considering.

carmine basin
#

It's not that vague. The androids are fighting machine lifeforms to protect humans. If the thing they're protecting is gone, is it worth fighting anymore? It's why YoRHa project was created; to give androids the purpose to keep fighting.

#

That's what similar with androids and machine lifeforms; both lost their masters and are now clueless on what to do

distant sonnet
#

Right but I'd argue a difference between "We fight for the humans on the moon, morale = 100" and "We have slavish devotion to actual humans". Especially in YoRHa units.

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Or at least, a potential for difference.

kindred rampart
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https://youtu.be/wlFTRLKboFo

YouTube
Enetirnel
Drakengard 2 - Caim Appears

Caim appears before Manah, and slaughters the enemies in front of her as the memories come flooding back of the events 18 years ago - in Drakengard.

Captured and remastered in places by myself.

I do not claim any rights to Drag-On-Dragoon/Drakengard as it is owned by Square-Enix and Cavia respectively, this is only to share online as an archive.

▶ Play video
rough kestrel
#

@kindred rampart I want more Caim in the world

severe brook
#

anyway i still think the Blessing is separate from Tempering, even with what we saw of Tiamat's situation

bold condor
#

I don't think so, mostly because the story has brought up the idea twice now.

severe brook
#

after all Tiamat didn't have abilities from Bahamut despite the primal's influence, yet we have powers from Hydaelyn
so unless we're more tempered than Tiamat, somehow, it can't be the same process

bold condor
#

And it usually doesn't do that without being intentional foreshadowing.

maiden lodge
bold condor
#

The first time it's brought up is right after Emet-Selch reveals H and Z are primals, the second time was this patch when Y'shtola brings up the Blessing of Light.

severe brook
#

i personally think she might be more comparable to the Ascians. it basically lets them be both Tempered and still responsible for their actions

tight marlin
#

Its said prolonged exposure to the aether of the primal warps you physically and changes your abilities
But tiamat doesnt act like shes been around Bahamut aether for forever

maiden lodge
bold condor
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But I'm forgetting the third.

viscid monolith
#

Calling what the blessing gave us powers feels a bit too strong

maiden lodge
#

When Ardbert attacks The Word of the Mother, and she just nopes him out of it.

bold condor
#

Oh shoot.

forest magnet
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So, let's say that we are low level tempered to Hydaelyn. And see what low level tempering did to Tiamat.
In Tiamat's case, the tempering weakened her physically and mentally. So it could be possible that if we were low level tempered, removing the tempering would be like unrestricting our own power cap. Which is quite scary given what we've done already.

bold condor
#

...Fuck, you know, you're right, that does seem a little... huh.

torpid yoke
#

Wouldn't that mean middy broke our tempering then?

wet crown
viscid monolith
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So far it puts us on speed dial with Hydaelyn and lets us absorb light

tight marlin
#

Is tiamat's temperance low level or is she just that much stronger

bold condor
#

No. He just sealed the Crystals of Light.

maiden lodge
viscid monolith
bold condor
#

Tempered WoL isn't bad frankly. And since this whole last two patches and probably EW deal with tempering AND the end of the HvZ arc?

maiden lodge
severe brook
#

just refuse the evidence and fall into solipsism like me

bold condor
#

It'd be thematically consistent.

maiden lodge
wet crown
severe brook
#

we cannot appeal to edgelords.

viscid monolith
#

The first Brood are a lot older than I thought they were

maiden lodge
#

And yeah, that'd be a way to do Hydaelyn is not Good

bold condor
#

I think the problem people have is that people have a fixed definition of tempering in their heads from 2.0.

viscid monolith
#

Really really old

forest magnet
#

The problem with the "WoL is tempered" theory is that even though Tiamat was low level tempered the Scions were able to notice imbalance in her soul. Our own soul has gotten looked at several times throughout Shadowbringers and nobody's said anything....yet.

crystal arrow
#

I definitely think we're tempered, yeah, especially given tiamat's whole deal. We have our own free will and everything but she does have a measure of control over us.

viscid monolith
#

How long ago was the 3rd Umbral era roughly.

severe brook
#

i mean middy brought their eggs with him from the Dragon Star. i presume they hatched shortly after he made his pact with Hydaelyn

bold condor
#

And going by the definition we had of "tempering" in 2.0 is as erroneous as going by the definition of "primal" or "Ascian" we had back then.

severe brook
#

and then they grew up with him before each spreading out to have their own broods

tight marlin
kindred rampart
#

Hydaelyn undoing whatever cap we have on us by the end of 6.0 MSQ so we can have a DBZ battle against Zenos?

wet crown
#

Zenos also makes it seem like tempering has to do with force of will.

crystal arrow
bold condor
#

Keep in mind that we know there are two components of tempering. The aether and the will of the primal. All Hydaelyn would need to theoretically do is NOT enforce an overriding will over her servants, and that's a voluntary aspect of what we now know as tempering.

crystal arrow
#

Because here's the thing... We're strong too, 7 and now 8 times rejoined

wet crown
bold condor
#

I mean Tiamat's will is clearly a reason she can resist Bahamut.

tight marlin
#

Honestly Hydaelyn tempering could just be "free will" effectively

viscid monolith
#

Think about it like this. Ascians can't be tempered by primals created by the sundered because the Ascians habe more influence or whatever.

bold condor
#

And the Echo elevates your will above that of basic primals.

tight marlin
#

Maybe we are tempered but Hydaelyn just doesnt impose her will.

maiden lodge
severe brook
#

i refuse

bold condor
torpid yoke
maiden lodge
bold condor
#

I mean, "Answers" is supposed to be from her POV, isn't it?

wet crown
#

OH MY GOD

maiden lodge
viscid monolith
#

Maybe dragons, particularly the first brood, are probably beings with a similar amount of influence as Ancients.

bold condor
#

What does she tell people to do in that song?

tight marlin
#

Answers is also pre-2.0 so... .

wet crown
#

Zodiark's mantra :

Look. Learn. Remember.

severe brook
#

it's from her POV but also could be seen as being Bahamut's POV

arguably now could be seen as an Ancient POV

tight marlin
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Hear: Bahamut screaming
Feel: bahamut raining fire
Think: I need to run for my life lol

maiden lodge
#

It's also from the POV of people facing death... it's a dialog

bold condor
#

The female singer is intended to be Hydaelyn's voice.

maiden lodge
#

But yeah, it's Hydaelyn speaking

bold condor
#

The rest is whomever you think it's supposed to be.

maiden lodge
#

Just people, yeah.

bold condor
#

Same with Dragonsong, that one's meant to be Hydaelyn's POV on the Dragonsong War.

wet crown
#

Emet-Selch couldn't rid himself of longing for Zodiark's release. As he said himself in the 5.0 this [pain] which yet yearns in his breast after the passing of eons

#

He remembers.

#

As per Zodiark's mantra.

bold condor
#

idk if look learn remember is his mantra but it is phrased like one.

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we'd have to hear it more than once to be sure though

wet crown
#

It's what Emet-Selch said after Qitana Ravel.

bold condor
#

I know.

severe brook
#

we go inside the Moon and it's just a chorus of voices going "LOOK. LEARN. REMEMBER." on repeat.

bold condor
#

But that's the only place and time it's said, so it's hard to call it the official mantra of Zodiark when this is a setting where people also just talk like that sometimes.

severe brook
wet crown
#

Actually. Maybe not Zodiark's mantra. But what the Ancients lived by.

severe brook
#

i will stick with Zodiark's presence manifesting as a chorus of Ancient voices alternating between his mantra and the Precepts he upholds

wet crown
#

Or the motto of the convocation?

carmine basin
bold condor
#

It's also worth noting that Zodiark's influence was specifically a fear of the creators of Hydaelyn.

#

Her overall purpose and the intent of her summoning is to prevent the powerful and old from oppressing and sacrificing the weak and new.

#

So it would fit with the ideals of her summoners that she specifically NOT overtake people's wills since she's not meant to be a God in that way, but the balance of a God.

sudden herald
#

At the very least, the relationship between summoner and Primal is vastly different from the one we're used to.

wet crown
#

Tempering as a form of protection. Like a certain Lord of the Levin.

severe brook
#

it could also be that she was created specifically to have a finite amount of aether to pull on, so that Zodiark's hunger wouldn't repeat itself with her

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still a massive amount of aether compared to modern magic, but it would be all she was

bold condor
#

Oh my god what if Lunar Ramuh gives us the skivvy.

wet crown
#

You mean with the inability to take aether and can only accept offerings.

sudden herald
#

It'd fit, given how in the MSQ she's apparently weak enough she needs a spokesperson for communication

bold condor
#

Rommy anytime Ramuh could possibly appear: HE'S GONNA TELL US WHAT'S UP THIS TIME I KNOW IT

carmine basin
#

Is it possible the Convocation might be wrong that they temper by default and Hydaelyn's summoners found a way to summon a primal without tempering?

Primals nowadays temper because that's the method the ascians know

severe brook
bold condor
#

Primals don't automatically temper people the moment they're summoned, though.

sudden herald
#

Lunar Primals do not temper. Though that may be because of something else.

severe brook
severe brook
wet crown
#

I dunno where I was going with this.

bold condor
#

And bring salvation.

sudden herald
#

Which makes me wonder why Tempering happens. Primal summoning is just bastardized Creation Magick. Is it a function of just the sheer mass of aether?

severe brook
wet crown
#

Brain got lazy mid-thought. Not sorry.

bold condor
#

One is salvation, the other is preservation.

carmine basin
sudden herald
#

do not insert

bold condor
#

praise hydaelyn for the aetherial sea is her bath water and we are as thirsty simps

severe brook
wet crown
carmine basin
#

Rommy did you see the copy pasta Kael found

bold condor
#

Yes.

wet crown
#

Omg, Zenos wants the water.

severe brook
#

Mother tempered him, made him good again.

sudden herald
#

hydration is important

bold condor
#

Zenos: gimme ur moon bathwater zodaddy

#

Of course Zenos wants to gorge himself on the moon. He's had two full moons under his clothes this whole time.

tight marlin
bold condor
tight marlin
#

WoL: >runs around in light rampant

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Zenos: GRANT ME EVERY OUNCE OF YOUR BEING TO DELIVER A STRIKING BLOW AGAINST MY FRIEND
Zodiark: damn chill just enchant your weapon mfer

torpid yoke
severe brook
#

alternatively, on the subject of Hydaelyn going silent
could be implying that Venat has ejected herself now, motivated to do so by greater danger to the world than ever before.
just like how Elidibus ejected himself when the Ancients were divided.
and the figure we see at Silvertear in the trailer may well be her, rising up from the Aetherial Sea hidden beneath the lake. or something like that.

bold condor
#

I just search "Zenos" on Tenor.

torpid yoke
#

Do you have a folder rommy

kindred rampart
tropic frigate
#

someone makes them i think but i dont remember if they are in here

bold condor
severe brook
bold condor
severe brook
#

this is why he doesn't use katanas anymore

torpid yoke
bold condor
torpid yoke
#

Ah damn I don't have the shit post

kindred rampart
severe brook
#

oh lord

carmine basin
#

Wow they're able to make Zenos emote

bold condor
#

Zenos has lots of emotions

carmine basin
#

Iirc he's coded similarly to monsters which is why you don't see many wacky edits with him like what the fandom does to Emet and G'raha

bold condor
kindred rampart
oak pike
#

I want a tank outfit where its a coat hanging off our shoulder

kindred rampart
#

oops wrong one

bold condor
carmine basin
wet crown
bold condor
#

Varis: jesus fucking christ

kindred rampart
bold condor
wet crown
bold condor
#

YES.

wet crown
maiden lodge
kindred rampart
#

What Fantastic Daniel really meant by setting up the stage. . .and a dress @wet crown

maiden lodge
#

Okay, so

wet crown
#

Perhaps, you crave the thrill of my song?

maiden lodge
#

Is it wrong... if you do EXR not for the tomes cause you don't care, but just because you want to do Pag?

sudden herald
#

I try and do a both 80 roulettes a day just to ensure that I don't get "rusty" by doing something else - Levelling alt jobs, lower level content, etc.

bold condor
carmine basin
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I do with trusts if I want to enjoy the dungeon

kindred rampart
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everyone trying to farm those sets

wet crown
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if I had songstress zenos animated, I'd change my pfp

kindred rampart
#

lost every body roll so far crimage

maiden lodge
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I dunno, I don't care about that, Mad that's what my ex farms are for. I just think the dungeon is great.

carmine basin
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Speaking of, does Estinien show up to help like Tiamat does? I need to kill him for a friend

maiden lodge
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Music great. Bosses, decently enjoyable. Dragon flight section? Check. DRAGON FLIGHT

carmine basin
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Otherwise I would have to kill him 6.0

maiden lodge
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Pag has that big-scrap feel to it

bold condor
#

This somehow feels NSFW despite having absolutely nothing explicit.

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Cover your tiddies, Zenos!

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Too much cleavage!

tight marlin
#

@bold condor it's the shoulders

severe brook
#

Zenos' new Job: Dancer

kindred rampart
bold condor
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6.0: A giant immortal femboy and his Japanese twink boyfriend try to eat the moon and kill the world.

severe brook
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his new weapon is one big Chakram

tight marlin
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The moon is also a waifu

bold condor
#

Moon is a husbando.

tight marlin
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Not with that attitude owocarby

severe brook
#

he turns Zodiark into his chakram

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crescent moon uwucarby

bold condor
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2.0: A mute incapable of refusing any request kills gods and beats up a 57 year old war hero after blowing up his new car.

kindred rampart
#

such devastation

severe brook
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3.0: A faithful priest attempts to remove malicious influences from the area and bring prosperity to his people.

bold condor
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3.0: Church sucks because they won't let you fuck dragons.

severe brook
#

this is a joke and is not in fact a "Thordan did nothing wrong" post

tight marlin
#

3.0 mute beats up old man after he loses boyfriend to a knight's furious spear

severe brook
maiden lodge
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5.0: Grampa who gets way too hardcore about 'the good ol days' argues with someone he thinks is his dead friend about whether to keep the lights on, or off.

bold condor
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4.0: A giant femboy loses two imperial provinces just to get off and die. Completely worth it.

tight marlin
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Shiva: Vore counts

viscid monolith
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So anyway after malding for a few hours I've come to the conclusion that clearing Diamond Weapon one time is enough until Endwalker

kindred rampart
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4.0: Eorzea utilizes it's WMD:WoL of Mass Destruction to fight another war

tight marlin
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4.0: Red girl uses her best friend as a bonk stick against horny prince

maiden lodge
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Meanwhile I'm going the distance on Dia, 99 or bust

forest magnet
#

is giant femboy an oxymoron

bold condor
#

Nope.

severe brook
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5.5: Red girl uses her best friend as the other half of their world-ending god body

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(the red girl's best friend is another instance of herself)

forest magnet
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Either way Zenos doesn't have the voice for a femboy

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but that's neither here or there

bold condor
#

Femboy isn't determined by voice.

severe brook
#

it's determined by state of mind

bold condor
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5.1: I have no idea what's going on in the Alliance raid.
5.3: I have no idea what's going on in the Alliance raid.
5.5: I have no idea what's going on in the Alliance raid.

severe brook
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5.1: Detroit-Become Dwarven
5.2: Something Fell Down
5.3: Vector to the Heavens

bold condor
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5.2: I laugh at Gaius's pain.
5.3: GUNDAMU.
5.4: I laugh at Gaius's pain.
5.5: Aw fuck.

severe brook
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5.5: Aw fuck it's Gaius' pain.

turbid aspen
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say the line gaius

brazen stag
bold condor
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5.5: pop goes the weasel EX

tight marlin
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5.1: We pound shota riding his suit with the power of 2B glams
5.3: That's a lot of 2Bs
5.5: seriously what is with the demon god women

severe brook
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5.5: YEET Savage

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5.5: Kaworu Unreal

carmine basin
brazen stag
severe brook
#

haha

tight marlin
#

Ruby: NAAAAAAAAAEEEELLLLLLLLLL
Sapphire: Gundam
Emerald: SUCH DEVASTATION! IT WAS DEFINITELY MY INTENT
Diamond: squish

severe brook
brazen stag
bold condor
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5.3: old man with Alzheimer's is killed by a mute and his pet cat who dies of bladder crystals

carmine basin
brazen stag
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I always subliminally hear Emil advertising his wares.

severe brook
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4.3: Girl Power Champion is killed by her brother and a mute.

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note to self, make a "Do you think Yotsuyu had girl power?" Copypasta

bold condor
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3.5: man sacrifices his life to save what he loves most... his country, rip ilberd, the only relevant character to die that patch

wet crown
tight marlin
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4.5 Emperor doesnt want to fight us so we reenact Red vs Blue with combat maids

wet crown
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Kakalemo? Yga? Who are those?

severe brook
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3.3: Local serial killer kills the patriarch of the clan he'd been slaughtering for all his life.

brazen stag
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Drakengard/Nier fans: getting hit by a freight train of emotions
Final Fantasy fans: trying to suplex a train and getting knocked off the platform

bold condor
#

2.5: what happens when potatoes go bad

carmine basin
bold condor
#

estinien didn't kill nidhogg tho

tight marlin
bold condor
#

3.2: tea is still traumatizing

severe brook
#

i am focusing on "But this is not your hand, wyrm!" for sake of the bit

bold condor
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3.4: P.TEA.S.D.

severe brook
#

Tea-war at Paradigm's Breach

craggy pawn
#

So I watched sorrow of werlyt on yt because too lazy to play through my self and wow valens went out in a certainly wow way.

bold condor
#

5.0: these white demons are dangerous

brazen stag
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I love the part when Nidstinien yells "NEVER!" with the same energy as Finn being told by martian Abraham Lincoln to believe in himself.

severe brook
#

5.3: these white demons are dangerous, but i don't understand how

tight marlin
bold condor
#

except meol

severe brook
teal geyser
brazen stag
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Because Storge is family.

bold condor
#

I fear the person who thinks Eros is hot

tight marlin
#

Forgiven Obscenity: wearycarby

brazen stag
#

What are you doing, step eater?

severe brook
#

me checking on how my high-quality memes are doing

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brazen stag
#

meol memes

tight marlin
#

5.2: Best friend came back while best friend is giving us his blood

teal geyser
#

That meol looking rather cooked there

bold condor
#

Eden: an older man attempts to gaslight a young woman to groom her into being with him forever

tight marlin
#

Eden: addicted to your one true love

teal geyser
bold condor
#

ye

brazen stag
#

That was a UFO not a man

severe brook
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Eden: Local fish-studying ghost attempts to brainwash a time lord. Wants to consume a reality in his off time.

bold condor
#

Omega: basically the machines from NieR but told in a way that makes more sense than the actual NieR raid

tight marlin
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Four lords: turtle birb snek and cat misses their owner so much they attack a mute

severe brook
#

Warring Triad: A mute hacks and slashes their way through three major resistance leaders against a corrupt empire.

tight marlin
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Omega: beep boop: Confirmed. This mute person has Plot Armor

teal geyser
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Weapons: WoL murders orphan children to burn out the bad

bold condor
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Warring Triad: a brave soldier gives his life for a person who's secretly actually immortal anyway

severe brook
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Alexander: All these summonings make a circle. All these summonings make a circle. All these summonings make a circle.

tight marlin
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Alexander: Gobbo forms illuminati to create perfect gobbo world with robot. Robot decides to leave because gobbos are filthy

bold condor
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Alexander: Thirty thousand goblins gonna solve the goblins' problems, 'cause the problems of the goblins goin' rotten till they solve 'em, yeah the thirty thousand goblins gonna solve the goblins' problems, with a 'splodin smashin' bashin' whackin' crackin' smackin' kind of chaos

severe brook
#

Mhach: Bloodbornes of Icarus

kindred rampart
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5.5: Finally we get to see how 6.0 is set in mo- FUCK
5.55: Hey look down

severe brook
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Ivalice: A research trip awakens Mega Satan

tight marlin
#

Mhach: beeg tiddie demon gf vs pirate who simps for the sky

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Ivalice: a protagonist loses to beeg tiddie god gf. Convenient reincarnations lead mute person to fight beeg tiddie god gf

severe brook
#

scathach's not that big tiddie, she's more about the hip game

tight marlin
#

Alliance raids: Why is every final boss a beeg tiddie monster gf

bold condor
#

inspector with a 100% case clear rate is somehow consistently not respected by others

tight marlin
severe brook
teal geyser
bold condor
#

5.2: we return to an ecosystem we've horrifically uprooted to commit genocide

severe brook
#

so we arguably never see Scathach's true body

bold condor
#

Voidsent overtake the appearance of their vessels.

teal geyser
tight marlin
#

Coils: Beeg dragon shrinks themselves to punching size

bold condor
#

Also, the Nullstone strips away the vessel, though the demon's power is linked to the vessel used.

severe brook
#

i had thought the mortal vessel still constrained them some. though as i was typing that, i then remembered Diabolos did in fact exist

bold condor
#

The point of the Nullstone is to nullify the pact between voidsent and summoner by destroying the vessel, allowing the summoner to have full control without having to honor the deal.

teal geyser
gaunt star
#

4 beasts: Local Mute man violently assaults rare white tiger, phoenix and snake in unprovoked attack

severe brook
#

also a turtle and a monkey

kindred rampart
gaunt star
#

"I'll BEAT the anger out of you"

severe brook
bold condor
#

Four Lords: mute is recruited by masochist furries to hit them until they're satisfied

torpid yoke
tight marlin
#

Eureka: Mute person teams up with other mutes to explore like an actual open world game

severe brook
#

5.0 Post-story dungeon: Mute is made to murder a bunch of college projects.

bold condor
#

5.4: i always said we'd find a cure for tempering when pigs fly

severe brook
#

5.0 Finale: Disgraced academic murders their superior and former friend because they keep failing his exams.

bold condor
#

5.1: non-binary introvert is forced to interact with people against their will

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"human contact? NOOOOOO"

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severe brook
#

The Grand Cosmos: a HGTV show goes horribly wrong.

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Mt. Gulg: a HGTV show goes horribly wrong.

bold condor
#

Alphascape v1.0: no one's talking about how he has a dragon for a penis

tight marlin
#

5.4: "ITS IMPOSSIBLE!" "WHO DECIDED THAT"

severe brook
#

Amaurot: a HGTV show goes horribly wrong.

bold condor
severe brook
#

Shadowbringers is just barging into people's homes and ruining them

tight marlin
bold condor
#

who tf hasn't played ff1 lmao

severe brook
bold condor
#

I love that Knock Down is one of his moves so much

#

Koji is a fucking blessing.

late aurora
#

Alexander raids: Local mute goes Forward and Back and then Forward and Back

bold condor
#

2.5: grumpy old man tries to get kids off of his lawn when woken from his nap, takes away their toys

clever flume
tight marlin
#

Alexander: Holy church is actually Time Wizard

bold condor
#

Alexander: time travel machine is bigger on the inside

kindred rampart
#

post 5.0 dungeon victory celebrations:

unknown.png
bold condor
severe brook
#

Alexander: Goblin Factory is actually Holy Church is actually Time Wizard

forest magnet
bold condor
#

it's not a holy church

severe brook
tight marlin
#

Alphascape 4: Beep boop. Husbando and waifu maximizes dps output.

severe brook
#

alternatively, 5.3

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Alphascape v4.0: Omega in the Franxx (Sponsored by Shinzo Abe)

forest magnet
#

I think the only dungeons we use /joy in Shadowbringers are Dohn Mheg, Cosmos, and Matoya

bold condor
#

4.0: we cheat at a sacred rite of passage to take advantage of a culture's most sacred annual event and take over their lands

forest magnet
#

colonialism hooray

bold condor
#

(no we don't actually)

forest magnet
#

i mean we do cheat though

severe brook
#

should i joke about this being Alphascape or Puppet's Bunker

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bold condor
#

oh shamelessly cheat yes

forest magnet
kindred rampart
gaunt star
#

Whys slowmode on? Also salt.jpg

severe brook
tight marlin
#

Early 4.0: retaking territory is not that easy. So we try again somewhere else

bold condor
severe brook
#

the patch spoilers channel always has a slowmode

forest magnet
#

it's probably not real anyways

severe brook
#

i don't think DitF was the only one in that theory, but it was focused on because it's such an absurd choice

gaunt star
#

Id be rushing back to Japan if I didn't already have a JP GF SkadiHeadEmpty

severe brook
late aurora
#

I accidentally read DitF as DTF, and it totally fits either way

gaunt star
#

I dont doubt it. My friends still there say its a serious problem since alot of the population is older.

#

But of they keep putting out these expansion, ill tolerate it

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Question though. Will we even get to fight all the lunar primals if they can't temper?

tight marlin
#

I mean
They're still giant monsters

rain onyx
#

We’re definitely going to beat up Ravana and Odin at least

teal geyser
gaunt star
#

Yeah but the Grand companies can probably deal with them if we get them out of the towers

tight marlin
#

We'll probably fight the toughest ones or ones in close proximity

gaunt star
#

This is ofcourse an exaggeration since theyll suffer heavy casualties

#

Imagine all of those gladiators and marauders trying to tank Lunar titan topKEK

turbid aspen
#

dps gladiator

visual spade
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Like, they don't seem to have the same modern society issues as the West has in regards to gender relations

#

Unless I'm just uninformed about whatever's going on in Japan's cultural sphere

kindred rampart
severe brook
#

i won't get into too much detail, but essentially most young people simply aren't able to have the time and resources to settle down and raise a family. of course, rather than actually help provide the ability to have that time and those resources, the usual response seems to just be to try to shame young people into having more kids.

gaunt star
visual spade
gaunt star
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We used to call the salarymen butterflies because when night time hit they'd get wasted and start singing at the karaoke bars.

visual spade
#

Baka Mitai intensifies

tight marlin
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Japan work culture: why be happy and start a family and have a lover WHEN U CAN WORK AN UNFULFILLED LIFE AS A COG IN A MACHINE

oak pike
gaunt star
#

60+ hours a week is normal and expected. I think one week I pulled 106 hours?

visual spade
gaunt star
#

I was 5 16s, a 14, and a 10?

visual spade
#

People didn't work SLAVES that hard.

oak pike
#

40 hours is the standard 8 hour work day M-F

gaunt star
#

If you refuse overtime you'll be let go.

placid sail
#

I think I would die of burnout if I worked that many hours in a week

gaunt star
#

Theres few exceptions

visual spade
#

Or they drink themselves to death

placid sail
#

what kind of labour laws do you have if you can be fired if you don't take overtime?

gaunt star
#

What are labor laws?

#

Its japan. topKEK

mighty light
placid sail
#

and they wonder why nobody has time for children haha

gaunt star
#

Suffer

tight marlin
#

Japan work culture lasts on the backs of overtime workers and alcoholism

gaunt star
#

Back on topic, were doing ifrit, Garuda, titan in 6.0. Weeee. I hope they don't reuse them all

#

5.5 will probably have us fight ifrit. Idk

#

And show how Alphy gets sage

severe brook
#

i'm actually not too sure if we'll encounter Ifrit with the other Lunar Primals at Carteneau in Part 2

#

all of its scenes in the trailer have happened already. so they might be saving it for 6.0 proper.

placid sail
#

I don't really want to fight Ifrit again...

gaunt star
#

Hmm true

placid sail
#

we already fought him as a soccer player and as Rockthecasbah

gaunt star
#

Id really rather have new primals than reusing the old ones

severe brook
#

i think that with the Matanga, we'll end up getting a Lunar version of at least one new Primal
which may well be Anima

strange wing
#

Man playing Diamond Weapon reveals just how caveman my brain is.

pastel coyote
#

Just give us some hard solo duty where we fight all the lunar primal one after one without break namazuconcern

granite robin
#

anyone know how the new cruise chaser mount will be unlocked?

visual spade
#

It'd make Anima feel less special besides. If anything, Anima will be Fandaniel's Hades form

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Or something equally momentous

severe brook
#

as we probably won't see a non-Lunar Anima

visual spade
#

Matanga summoning Anima? I wonder why they wouldn't have, well, a more...elephant looking one

pastel coyote
#

Yeah like the kojin or the vanu vanu, something who look like them

maiden lodge
#

Or it's like ShB and they aren't beast tribe shit.

strange wing
#

So what's an Anima anyway?

maiden lodge
#

OH FUCK

pastel coyote
#

They are, those fucker fight the au ra, they deserve to die

maiden lodge
#

I think I just cracked the code

#

The big tower in garlemald is for summoning Lunar Zodiark/Lunar Hydaelyn/Both.

rough kestrel
#

Yes but when do we summon Lunar Azem

pastel coyote
#

.... as far we know you need the follower of the primal to do this

strange wing
#

Ooo, what if it's an evil CT?

maiden lodge
pastel coyote
#

If it was the case they wouldn't need the amalj'aa or the meracydian dragon

maiden lodge
#

You yeet a bunch of Garleans into a tower, and you force them to summon the will of the star you're gonna get Lunar Zodiark or Lunar Hydaelyn

#

Well, no they're making use of that. But the tower in Garlemald's for something bigger than those. And about the only thing bigger than Lunar Bahamaut is Lunar Eldest Primal

#

And remember: Zenos's goal is to bring us there to do fight.

severe brook
#

my theory is that the Matanga will have an animistic religion, worshipping the Lifestream/Aetherial Sea itself as their god. And in normal circumstances, that god probably wouldn't have a defined form. However, they get bound into a tower and made to summon their god like the other people around the world, and so Anima's warped form is the result of her having no inherent form of her own.

subtle pasture
#

Lunar Bahamut really only came about by tempering his personal pack of Meracydians, tbf

maiden lodge
#

Also Anima already has a meaning in the game, as a form of Soul Aether.... hang on

severe brook
#

the Magus Sisters might be their god instead, since they're present in the Matanga tower.

maiden lodge
#

What if Zenos's weapon is an Anima Weapon?

#

Remember, that shit's mass produced now.

severe brook
severe brook
maiden lodge
#

And an Anima weapon might be able to be jiggered with like a Trigger Weapon can. Use the echo to change the personality, it'll thirst for souls.

severe brook
#

and that's what the weapon's spirit transforms into once he's through with it

maiden lodge
pastel coyote
#

I don't know if you are serious or full anime-shit

severe brook
#

so we have that same idea of Anima coming about from the villain betraying her intent like FFX's Anima.

late aurora
#

Also extra dialogue depending on whether you’ve done the Anima quests

strange wing
#

Please don't make me have to make an anima weapon

forest magnet
#

none of the scions were with us for anima weapon, unless u want the (quite literal) femboy to show up during the msq

strange wing
#

We have room.

forest magnet
#

more femboys!

#

Femboy Fantasy XIV

brisk quail
#

Lunar Zenos

forest magnet
#

Lunar Femboy

late aurora
#

Femboy Zodiark is the Final Boss of Endwalker

brisk quail
#

Can we just let him be, maybe?

late aurora
#

Hydaelyn: “Listen, I get it. But you gotta.”

brisk quail
stiff charm
#

killing femboy zodiark is only ok if it solidifies my wol as ultima femboy

iron scaffold
stiff charm
iron scaffold
maiden lodge
#

Why does this feel like you're trying to summon the Hydaelyn Simp Primal

iron scaffold
late aurora
#

Do they work on beetlejuice rules? Hopefully not

maiden lodge
#

What if the hydaelyn simp was a primal the first time, but every other time it was one of us who was tempered and activated.

stiff charm
heady shadow
#

so.. played through 5.5 even though i wanted to save it but oh well.
||if arenvald doesnt die he's probably going to lose a Limb or two at least||

maiden lodge
#

I dunnae think he gonna buy the farm

gaunt star
#

Arenvald and Gosetsu are gonna run the farm together

maiden lodge
#

The opportunity to kill him off with impact has passed. However this way, Alphinaud is motivated to go Sage and Fordola is motivated to protecc young alphinaud on his quest leading to delicious drama

#

Then Alisae pairs off with Estinien on his way

#

They've kinda made some great intercharacter conflict there that I'd love to see explored.

heady shadow
#

Honestly if he lost a limb its a good way i think to end his character arc in a way.

maiden lodge
#

As well, their conflict of Idealism vs Pragmatism might actually be an echo of the conflict between Azem and the Convocation I do love some theming

iron scaffold
#

If this is leading to Arenvald getting place in a role which leads to character development for Alphi and ferdola i'm all in but I hope he lives.