Hydaelyn
#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
gaunt star
clever flume
pretty sure no one can really compete with emet
teal geyser
Nael?
deft burrow
Hydaelyn
gaunt star
bahamut 
strange wing
Emet did like 8 genocides, he has a giant bodycount
deft burrow
Varis in Graha's timeline
gaunt star
subtle pasture
Yotsuyu had a “year” to be doing all her war crimes making people shoot family members, but Misija desecrated holy sites and people with tempering and enthrallment
teal geyser
Varis in Graha's timeline
Aw shit you're right
Assuming it was Varis who did it anyway
deft burrow
Also that Allag king, Amon, right?
strange wing
Nael totally counts
teal geyser
Xande
clever flume
amon was a scientist, Xande was king
gaunt star
Aw shit you're right
based on Zenos's dialogue its safe to say it was Varis
deft burrow
Amon enables Xande yeah
gaunt star
cowardly weapons cant think of anything other than that gas thing
subtle pasture
Between Yotsuyu and Misija, I’d earnestly rank Yotsuyu over her in the warcrimes count
teal geyser
Amon does not enable Xande at all outside of bringing him back to life
deft burrow
Yeah thats called enabling @teal geyser
iron scaffold
Xande tried to throw wide the gates and let the darkness in
clever flume
ehh I mean Xande did the whole conquest thing on his own
teal geyser
Xande tried to throw wide the gates and let the darkness in
Yeah his calamity doesn't count but what he planned was wayyyy worse so he's king
strange wing
Yotsuyu did a lot in her year yea. I can only imagine the bullshit Misija did if she won.
deft burrow
Though again all of this was orchestrated by the unsundered Ascians
subtle pasture
Misija was also limited by aetherial charge of the sword, for another factor
deft burrow
So they are really at fault
iron scaffold
Yeah his calamity doesn't count but what he planned was wayyyy worse so he's kin...
true but it trigger the earth aspected calamity
teal geyser
true but it trigger the earth aspected calamity
Not intentionally, intention is important
deft burrow
Ascian's intention
teal geyser
We said to keep it to mortals
deft burrow
B-but
subtle pasture
I guess overall, Save the Queen has to be more condensed than an expac and patch cycles of MSQ when it comes to fleshing out Misija’s motivations and crimey wimeys vs Fordola’s and Yotsuyu’s
Plus how Misija’s story is secondary to the IVth vs Bozja
teal geyser
Wait actually...is Xande worse than all the Ascians if he 1000% would have been on board with wiping out all life on all worlds?
subtle pasture
Plus, also, MATSUNOOOOOO
deft burrow
Well I'm sure they spun it in a way that would benefit the Allagans @teal geyser
deft burrow
Not when he was resurrected
Yeah
But they already had conquered most of the world before Xande was resurrected
iron scaffold
Not when he was resurrected
where he acted more differently before coming back alive
deft burrow
Do we know where the Allagan capital is?
teal geyser
Seat of power was Mor Dhona
deft burrow
I c
deft burrow
Ascians knew that Xande would be corrupted when resurrected, that is why they helped the Allagans create the resurrection technology.
Perfect way to create calamities
teal geyser
For real, for once can we just give some cool miracle to humanity and not ascians? Thanks, give Amon this one man
iron scaffold
For real, for once can we just give some cool miracle to humanity and not ascian...
Allag was built by ppeD ynnhoJ and Super Weapon Robot from outer Space
teal geyser
uhh I want to say there was something mentioned recently about it but IIRC it's not really made clear when in the timeline Allag found Omega
iron scaffold
The Allagans dug it up, talk to it and it help advance thier science to what it is then and now
deft burrow
Im pretty sure its stated that they used it against Bahamut
crystal arrow
Allag was built by ppeD ynnhoJ and Super Weapon Robot from outer Space
for a second I thought this was weird twitchspeak
teal geyser
Im pretty sure its stated that they used it against Bahamut
Doesn't mean that's when they found it, I guess you can argue Tiamat's dialogue suggests it was because she speaks "and they handed the weapon to the enemy" implying a proximity to the timeline but....
deft burrow
We know they found it since when we go find Omega in MSQ its surrounded by Allagan tech
iron scaffold
The Omega Raids report in the reach explain this
deft burrow
Its likely that Omega was used cause nothing was able to subdue Bahamut at the time other than Omega
deft burrow
Lol
I was like I could add a comma but you should understand that sentence perfectly fine
grave elm
if the world blows up i want the chance to spend a final night with the scion of my choice
somber storm
Alpha, Omega and Beta
teal geyser
if the world blows up i want the chance to spend a final night with the scion of...
Aenor
iron scaffold
.......
iron scaffold
*what?* You know she's going to be god tier
ivory wolf
(Who's Aenor?)
clever flume
one of the npcs in the rising stones
constantly talking about getting boinked by the roe brothers
ivory wolf
I... very much do not recall this.
Research will be done next time I am in Rising Stones.
clever flume
she's a highlander
ivory wolf
For some reason I assumed Miqo'te. I blame Balamung.
deft burrow
Thighlander*
tulip geyser
She's interested in G'raha joining in too after 5.3 lol
ivory wolf
wh-
teal geyser
She's interested in G'raha joining in too after 5.3 lol
tbh I'm not sure she's that into it anymore after talking to him, feels too old
tulip geyser
Yeah I think she moved her sights but I was highly amused by it when I happened to speak to her there
teal geyser
Here is a snippit @ivory wolf https://kingofredlines.tumblr.com/post/139974782990/roe-dicks-a-thrilling-three-scene-play-courtesy
ivory wolf
This is highly entertaining, thank you
teal geyser
she's a highlander
in model
clever flume
always be talking to npcs, even side ones!
oh right, she's one of the weird npcs where model doesn't match reality
deft burrow
T rating btw
teal geyser
T rating btw
first dungeon is literally a human trafficking sex dungeon
ivory wolf
It just be how Sashtasha do
ivory wolf
I wonder who was piloting the second G-Saviour.
unreal wadi
i was reading up on the design aspect
gusty quest
I wonder who was piloting the second G-Saviour.
God
unreal wadi
there was someone who was piloting it
but someone wanted the G-Saviour Mk II to look red
somber storm
Can't be Nero
gusty quest
^^
unreal wadi
also its not detachable, because
gusty quest
But of course
unreal wadi
they didn't have enough parts for the Mk II
the normal g-warrior can attach & detach itself, but the mk II can't
somber storm
They had to ask an expert to make new parts
unreal wadi
im just wondering who thought to add red to the Mk II lol
ivory wolf
It really should be Nero, boy's been missing for too long.
unreal wadi
granted, Cid found him after Nero ate up a lot of his money
somber storm
He is in the last MSQ patch and that's all the Nero we are gonna get
unreal wadi
from the Omega story
unreal wadi
maybe
Yoshi-p didn't deny or confirm Gaius' involvement in 6.0
But Gaius seems to be focused on Terncliff for the time being
heady shadow
i actually gonna bail and finish the werlyt series because i still didnt do emerald since i was taking a break
was gonna do it a while ago but hospital shit and i just been kinda sitting on playing atm
unreal wadi
the kids in Terncliff 
heady shadow
hehehehe donht worry i ignored all the spoilers i like to live dangerously
unreal wadi
bring me pain
reincarnations of the 4 au ra who gave their lives
when they all ask where's the last one, and the younger Alfonse says she's with Gaius
somber storm
tight marlin
Hope they die in the final days
a meteor conveniently lands in all the garlean occupied areas.
Garlean Restoration, which involves Werlyt
heady shadow
which is funny because arent lizards actually slow growing?
okay gonna do it now.... any second.... ugh this is hard without a laptop lmao
torpid yoke
Hope they die in the final days
They are dead they pretty much are all spirits
implied to be
fringe adder
Did someone else find it strange that M'naago was reprimanding Wol about not visiting her at Rhalgr's Reach? Felt sorta left out of field, since strictly wise, all their interaction was mostly focused on resistance activities and beyond that, not much else.
modern bluff
M'naago is a delivery vendor tbf
clever flume
^ ye personally didnt find it weird cos of that
fringe adder
Maybe I'm missing something but is there some feature tied to her or something?
modern bluff
Yep
clever flume
its a crafter/gathering thing
crystal arrow
also iirc outside of that m'naago was pretty friendly with us
clever flume
every week you can turn in items to an npc, called custom deliveries. they have their own little story lines
fringe adder
Ahh, yeah I haven't really touched on crafting/gathering
clever flume
m'naago is one of them, and you help her with building gil and stuff to help support orphans and families of the resistance
also we kind of did have dinner with her family and all ;d
modern bluff
The custom deliveries are basically just gameplay explanations for the WoD building friendships with various factions so M'naago speaking so familiarly is to be expected even if you don't do the custom deliveries storylines
fringe adder
Gotcha, that would make more sense yeah
modern bluff
They tend not to make disciple of hand/land stuff mandatory so they only make a tree assuming you've done some
clever flume
even without custom delivery side, its not like naago was super impersonal when we were with her in the msq
fringe adder
I think yes and no, surely she accompanied us in some parts of the MSQ but out of all the NPCs, she was mostly building a bond with Lyse while we were sorta spectators and just focussing on the actual liberation parts.
heady shadow
shame cant glam her
fringe adder
I think you're bigger friends with the resistance folks of the Anante Beast Tribes than her honestly
somber storm
Can't even put M'naago in a bikini
viscid monolith
Cloud Deck feels unfinished. Don't know what it is.
fringe adder
G Savior not actually saving you
viscid monolith
Ya G Savior sucks bring back G Warrior
fringe adder
I think something else that bugged me was
Them clearly reusing Ifrit's model for that 2nd phase fight
dim sigil
Did they say who is piloting the Mark II
wary perch
Cid
dim sigil
Makes sense
I don't know if I would call that second phase more like it's just comes out for the mechanic and goes back
But the music and once you started noticing how much health it had I was like there's no way there's going to be a second phase
fringe adder
I would've liked it more also if Valens was piloting
dim sigil
Honestly I think the twist of it being Alphonse over zenos made it great
fringe adder
Yeah I get that
but I just wanted to kick his ass in some sort of way lmao
or give Valens a separate fight
dim sigil
A solo rp duty playing as gaius vs valens would of been cool
viscid monolith
I feel lied to
somber storm
Valens too much of a coward
dim sigil
G-saviour is supposed to be some sort of upgrade but like in the end it's really just a Boss Arena
somber storm
SMH we no longer pilot it anymore
dim sigil
Blue Carnival but for G Warrior please
sudden herald
I’m just disappointed we didn’t get one last grudge match against Gaius
wary pond
cloud deck is the answer to all shitters who asked for better arenas other than squares or circles
dim sigil
For being ff7 bosses there was surprisingly not a single ff7 reference anywhere
forest magnet
For being ff7 bosses there was surprisingly not a single ff7 reference anywhere
Valens -> Hojo
open verge
The ex trial saved the fight for me I enjoyed it a lot
dim sigil
I really wante to do extreme but I don't have the motivation to learn
open verge
It’s not too bad tbh
late aurora
Cloud deck is 2 rectangles therefore it’s superior
viscid monolith
Also they need to go back and make the other weapon fights drop 2 totems
sudden herald
I had an awful time with emerald extreme
wary pond
they have checkpoint
sudden herald
Too many people not doing rotations
open verge
I like how I can ignore the knock back mechanic because shoulder tackle is so good
wary pond
therefore not eligible
viscid monolith
They take just as long as Diamond though
Diamond Weapon takes like 9 minutes or something
wary pond
can take up to 12 mins if your group sux
oak pike
i like the weird arena shape for diamond
prisma vine
i would 100% join a party like that lol
had one once for a nightmare farm in hw, she was gonna pay us all 300k even if no mount dropped for a set time period of farming and then iirc a mil each to pass
mighta been 800k, it was a lot
torpid yoke
seems to be a think this patch honestly. Been seeing it with diamond too
gentle temple
I'd join. Free money.
torpid yoke
do you already have the mount?
gentle temple
Not for diamond, but I'm generally not in a rush.
And I'm lucky. I got SoS mount on my first clear XD
dawn wave
3mil is good money just to let someone get a mount lol 
that happens to me for free anyway
torpid yoke
...lucky ass son of a-
gentle temple
If I'm really motivated I'll get it quick, but I'm not at all motivated because the derpdragons are ugly imo.
dim sigil
I just ended up joining a blind party from the very start
torpid yoke
i keep getting murdered during limit cut for diamond and its very sad
yea im a dancer and my dps dont matter for the forbidden fruit but come on >:/
strange wing
First attempt had a griefer. Another reason never to talk to Male Au rau dancers.
2nd attempt went better but yeet mechanics are the bane of my existence
oak pike
virticle slice whatever its called?
strange wing
Yep! And I need to learn the numbers bit. Overall it doesn't seem too terrible.
dim sigil
Phase one seems pretty easy
tropic frigate
numbers are pretty easy once you understand them 1 2 3 4 markers are for those numbers at the start
and lower numbers go north in place of the 1 and 2
higher go south
this is is assuming you do odds west and evens east strat which is what everyones doing
basically its matching odds and evens (the number glow) to blue platform and red
severe brook
Blue Carnival but for G Warrior please
6.0 Side Content where you fight Lunar Primals in G-Warrior
fight Lunar Ravana on his own scale
(I think Ultima/G-Warrior is about the same size as Ravana right)
gaunt star
I can see G warrior coming to gold saucer
forest magnet
beat saber g-warrior
tight marlin
wait but if someone PFs "will pay gil" for getting the mount...what's stopping them from just....not paying up?
rain onyx
trust. and basically getting their name blasted all over PF and probably getting blacklisted by a lot of people.
late aurora
The other party members hunting you down
vital brook
Man i cant believe we just used G-Warrior once and never again
Pilot it once, and then no more fights using G-Warrior
dim sigil
At least let us replay the sapphire weapon
severe brook
i mean we've only played as Y'shtola once. Mechanically, it's the same thing
somber storm
we can do that you know
heady shadow
.... okay did the 5.4 part of the Werlyt quests.
valens is a ||$^&$%#&*^||
just getting that out out of principle.
turbid aspen
savages just cant handle the varro style
heady shadow
now gonna go ahead and finish the rest
torpid yoke
At least let us replay the sapphire weapon
new game plus it
dim sigil
Is it in new game plus I see
After trying Diamond I am extremely discouraged from playing the game tonight though I'll do it tomorrow
carmine basin
Since datamine has the rainmaker quest, I hope it's paired with FFXV rerun
maiden lodge
why would what
iron scaffold
what was Datamine so far tho?
clever flume
aya means make it rain quests
rain onyx
(Hard to datamine something that’s already in the game)
maiden lodge
(that's what I was thinking)
maiden lodge
Well, they're connected so fair
carmine basin
what was Datamine so far tho?
Moonfire faire, rising, and make it rain for seasonals
maiden lodge
Though rainmaker and make it rain don't have anything to do with the FFXV collab inherently
clever flume
yeah but it would be a nice double up
maiden lodge
I could see vrromvroom car being put into Make it Rain ya
carmine basin
Iirc FFXV was paired with make it rain bc the car was bought with mgp
clever flume
since several of the FFXV items are bought with mgp, so it would make it easier to buy
maiden lodge
iirc it did run with make it rain the first time too
carmine basin
Huh how was I able to buy the car back then since I was still a sprout in HW
clever flume
ffxv ran long enough that getting 80pts in fashion report was more than enough to buy it
for the duration of the event, so it was pretty easy to make the mgp to buy it unless you were like trying to do it the last week but even then it wouldn't have been too bad. you would've just had to lived in gold saucer for a bit
rain onyx
yeah you could do 3 weeks of FR and then just some quick challenge log stuff
like Lord of Verminion a few times against the AI
dim sigil
I knew about the MGP requirement because of datamine way ahead of time so I prepared
carmine basin
torpid yoke
NO XD
clever flume
Aya why are you full of cursed this night?
carmine basin
turbid aspen
slimy garlean corpses
torpid yoke
oh now i get why blitz says templar fits as a name for the new job
fckn tactics again
carmine basin
I checked the kids playing tag, and Alfonse said "I told her to stay with father. She can play with us later. Much later... Even when we're apart, we'll always be together." while looking at Allie who's standing with Gaius
somber storm
carmine basin
https://twitter.com/KSilberne/status/1382262055487475714
Continuation of this
clever flume
TIHI shoe zenos
brazen stag
Hmm, at first I thought his resonant eyebrands were the bloodshot whites of his eyes and the black scleras were his dilated pupils and that he was staring at the black little stabby bit of his pauldrons excitedly while on crystal meth.
||Crystal Meth is also the name of my Final Fantasy themed cover band.||
pine epoch
Aaaaaaayyyyyyyy
CC! Someone got footage of CC working. Also wha tis it that you didn't notice?
the uh Square logo on the building?
balmy mesa
fucking yoko taro, man
subtle pasture
suppose that's prob also why the mechanic is named "Pervasion"
pine epoch
I know its not likely and probably the original exponential entropy. but I hope the CC mount plays the Primals rendition of Exponential Entropy
heady shadow
wow.
werlyt is ||a good emotional gundam story. poor Gaius.||
I almost thought ||that they were gonna do a bitter ish ending but that was good shit. ShB is the Feels expansion||
heady shadow
also with ||those kids running around apparently being the dead orphans, assume thats prob a echo power tease? ||
indigo shale
are you talking about ||the end scene where you see nero, gaius, liviva etc because thats due to the memory thing alphonse told gaius to give to allie, or is this something else you are referring to||
heady shadow
no
turbid aspen
https://twitter.com/KSilberne/status/1382262055487475714
this
heady shadow
yeah that
indigo shale
oh never saw that, idk then
dim sigil
Im so lost how numbers
heady shadow
ye you just go back and stand there for a bit, takes a little before they show up
dim sigil
Dish guide made it simple to understand
vapid cape
yeah the towers are tempering people into being murderous assholes, but that 5G is super fast
tribal quiver
turbid aspen
face 3 chads we cant keep losing like this
subtle pasture
Allie is 16.
heady shadow
she'll be a bombshell when shes older
and thats the only thing i'll say since timebubble will never allow timeskips
dim sigil
Couldn't they do like
A new expansion zones themselves would take place in a further time
The story progresses on and moves onto where a new areas is set later on so theu have their own time bubble but further
heady shadow
sadly no unles they do something with 6.0-6.1
tulip geyser
One good thing about the Cata expac in WoW was that it let the time bubble move a bit, at least out of the areas that werent BC/Wrath
fallow ferry
Wait Allie is 16? I thought she was like 12 or something
At least that was the vibe I got from her
slate ridge
When alphinaud was punching his fist in the trailer, do you think the body he was trying to heal was ||arnevald’s||, who may possibly ||survived the tower attack but dies again||?
dim sigil
Seems to just be a random guy
heady shadow
||I was thinking about that||
balmy mesa
I dunno, seemed like a different outfit
tropic frigate
it does look like a random dood from the armor u can see
slate ridge
I imagine that would appear in 5.55 and that could lead to alphinaud becoming a sage
balmy mesa
maybe someone who inconveniently died just beforehand before answers could be had
pine epoch
Inb4 after the primal fight in cartenue alphy and alisae try to save all the wounded tempered.
And alphy cant keep up with the amount of bodies piling up
balmy mesa
let the bodies hit the flooooor
dim sigil
He'll have to face the harsh reality that he can't save anyone
balmy mesa
I guess this is where alphie learns that he can't save everyone
slate ridge
Where alphinaud gets a hint of realism
pine epoch
Alphy continues to grow into the number 1 most developed character in 14
dim sigil
Baisclly the mc
slate ridge
Maybe the sage class has to do with sharlyan
Specially since the artifact gear looks like a scientist in a way
pine epoch
I had a stupid thought. 6.0 we lose alphy temporarily. And when he comes back he looks physically older. And had his growth spurt early.
gaunt star
i want to know know who's chest he's beating on!
lone tendon
Lol, he gets his growth spurt, but Ali doesn't. That would be fantastic.
slate ridge
I think I saw on the subreddit that the twins may end up sacrificing themselves to save the source since there was a twin sacrifice in ff4 I heard And endwalker may be filled of ff4 references
Who knows
pine epoch
The FF4 twins dont really die
dim sigil
No one really dies in 4 at all
pine epoch
They temporarily uh... become stone until their father figure saves them.
dim sigil
Every death everyone is a fake out
pine epoch
Except tellah
dim sigil
Im sure he's living it up somwhere
prisma vine
become stone and come back with growth spurt
pine epoch
We also dont know how many 4 references will actually be in EW. Other than. We went from drk poster job to paladin. Going to the moon on a spaceship. lunar whale fanfest mount with FF4 minions
That's it, I wonder... if the collector edition items will be FF4 related as well
prisma vine
magus sisters too ye? or were they not 4
pine epoch
Well we have cecil accessories and helmet
We dont have the full body paladin or drk armor. But the collectors editions are usually weapon glam, mount, minion
gaunt star
The closest thing we have to Cecil’s actual armor is the elemental armor from eureka
dim sigil
Pld cecil
pine epoch
So weapon glam for 6.0 will either be sage or Reaper. Minion probably some FF4 maybe wind up cecil. Mount? I have 0 idea
5.0 was squalls gunblade, demon lizard horse grani, fran.
4.0 was bartz/boko, syldra, chicken knife
3.0 was griffon, Kain, no weapon glam but a fantasia
prisma vine
didn't the thing also have like baron earrings and a black ch-- wait that was preorder bonus nvm
pine epoch
Pre order bonus usually ends up being EXP bonus item + minion
dim sigil
Let the mount be a red wings airshi0
pine epoch
Which if we check uh... garlandtools we know what both of those are
gaunt star
Pre order bonus this time is moon earrings
pine epoch
||menphina earring. Because moon goddess. And my guess based on the minions that are unavailable. Wind up Palom. Yes 1 of the 2 twins is a minion. And talks about them.||
spiral wagon
turbid aspen
gold
weary rampart
I bet the real reason why the queen assasinate her puppet in bozjan questline is bcoz her successor had a bigger booba
balmy mesa
Which if we check uh... garlandtools we know what both of those are
yes, "garland tools"
balmy mesa
I wonder how the relic grind will look in 5.55
Gaia is just a marauder
drowsy belfry
Oooh those whacky Garleans, and their Gunlances
gaunt star
Idk what it is but I like it
somber storm
DRG weapon
Wait a minute
Wait a fucking minute
That bottom part of the weapon looks familiar
pastel coyote
drg weapon ?
gaunt star
Or so they would have us believe
somber storm
Time to relook at Zeno's new weapon from the teaser
gaunt star
Supposedly the whole “unyielding blade thing” requires crystals/cylinders so that part matches up sorta
turbid aspen
gunbreaker and dark knight had a baby
somber storm
Darkbreaker
turbid aspen
shadowshatter
somber storm
Gun Knight
somber storm
That's what I am thinking
turbid aspen
gunscythe
gunscythe
somber storm
Because the bottom half sort of looks similar in design
wet crown
MH collab so strong they're making an entire job out of gunlance?
tbh that looks more like a greatsword
drowsy belfry
Man I just now noticed the hardcut there, it slows down and then just CUTS to him exiting the tower
carmine basin
Man I just now noticed the hardcut there, it slows down and then just CUTS to hi...
We're gonna see wall maria except with tempered people
drowsy belfry
Yeee that's what I was thinking
somber storm
That cut was subtle
turbid aspen
man that cut irks me a bit
somber storm
There's also another cut I notice
During the burning map zoom out and the trio are fighting a terminus beast
drowsy belfry
If I had to give a good ol guess, that fire fadeout after Alphinaud will have an entirely different section instead of just cutting to Fannydanny smiling. Probably involving some of the other Scions, Thancred or Y'sthola or something. Show off the main city, and the 2nd Job and stuff. Then it cuts to Fannydanny smiling, goes up the tower and then we see some Gnarly Shit ™️ inside of the tower, Fandan steps outta the Elevator and Zenos is watching the Destruction.
I'd like it if instead of just zooming out of Derplander's face and going to the logo, Zenos is standing with his new weapon on the other side
and then y'know HEYAAHEYAAAAAAAAAAAAAHEEEEEY
somber storm
I think I saw a cut during the moon zoom in
drowsy belfry
Lil bit
wet crown
No, that's stupid. They're in Thavnair.
drowsy belfry
Also contrary to my "They'll burn away the rest of the Fog of War Theory" you can still see the clouds, it's very hard to notice but they're still there on the map
wet crown
but the tower could house the 2nd trial
drowsy belfry
BUT I'm not giving up hope on a full map, they also did some last minute adjustments to the intro of the Shadowbringers trailer so THEY CAN ALWAYS EDIT THE TEXTURE
pastel coyote
Hedge silly, it's not fog it's smoke
wet crown
tbh, it already feels like we got version 2 of the trailer
just waiting for the final third one now
drowsy belfry
Not even that long anymore
6 days and we'll be in May
Wow that was entirely wrong
wet crown
drowsy belfry
I can't math
somber storm
Yes it was
turbid aspen
BAHAHAHAHAHA
somber storm
Always were
turbid aspen
irl elezen
rare sinew
uh... anyone know the emotes for the fetes?
rain onyx
they're on your bar.
rare sinew
Are we supposed to target the mascots? Sometimes, I cant select em
rain onyx
yep.
rare sinew
oh. didn't appear for me??
rain onyx
you have to target them when they do their emote. Make sure you sync to the fate
rare sinew
is it once you join the fate, the action bar changes?
ah. So once they do their emote, immediately click? I was very confused. I just saw huge hordes
wet crown
I honestly don't like the fetes. They start in the middle of the night here, so you only have a few hours early in the day to do some of them.
rain onyx
they happen over a 24-hour period and repeat every 2 hours
rain onyx
I haven't personally searched for any. :X
I assume it's all the stuff in the fete trade window
drowsy belfry
As far as I can tell yeah
carmine basin
Pizza can be bozja lootboxes
drowsy belfry
it'll come from the First with the surprise sidequest chain where we hang out with Ryne and Gaia 
What did she mean by this.
sudden herald
She's fucking the roebros
rain onyx
Aenor Cockburne is the one who fucks.
drowsy belfry
Wincest
rain onyx
She also wanted a piece of G'raha when he first appeared in 5.3 story.
sudden herald
Aenor of the Endless Thirst
rough kestrel
I feel her predatory gaze.
turbid aspen
highlanders 
somber storm
She also wanted a piece of G'raha when he first appeared in 5.3 story.
Then backed away because he feels old
rough kestrel
Aenor would give Zenos competition for the title of "Ravenous beast"
somber storm
If only Zenos was the same type of beast as Aenor
teal geyser
If only Zenos was the same type of beast as Aenor
Also Sadu
somber storm
And Lyse
gaunt star
lyse is sub
royal spruce
I really hope the guys just hanging around the rising stones get to do something in end Walker
Hoary Boulder trust when
somber storm
When Aenor trust is available
gusty quest
She'll fuck everything to death
somber storm
I probably have seen art of that
unreal hound
link?
somber storm
Forgot
balmy mesa
I like how the conversation just died after that
wet crown
we all know where the link would lead to
bold condor
Know what's goddamn weird? I dreamt that we got more info about the Telophoroi.
teal geyser
You won't, we'll finish 6.0 and still know nothing
bold condor
Also dreamt I couldn't spell Telophoroi.
open verge
I dreamt about ffxiv battle system changes today it was weird as hell
teal geyser
@silk cape idk apparently some spooky glow person in the trailer /shrug
somber storm
Also dreamt I couldn't spell Telophoroi.
Telaforoy
wet crown
There's not a lot of core changes they can do at this point.
gaunt star
No more raises allowed in battle
bold condor
It's like my brain knew how to spell it but dreams don't do well with words.
open verge
It was like this red burst dragon thing every job got it was stupid
bold condor
lel
open verge
That’s all I can remember about the dream 
bold condor
we all become DRG, Fandaniel wins because the whole world just jumps off the ledge.
wind bough
@silk cape
wet crown
Lv. 30 (passive) Diurnal Sect : Improves the regen effect of Aspected Benefic and Aspected Helios
Lv. 50 (passive) Nocturnal Sect : Adds a shield to Aspected Benefic and Aspected Helios
silk cape
<@!96419800061874176>
oh THAT trailer
forest magnet
this bit might be part of the background crystal
kind lark
what trailer is that?
subtle pasture
I still lean the route of pretty much making Diurnal the baseline, maybe mske Neutral set a shorter CD and just the dual sect bonuses or something like Charged Nocturnal Intersection/Nocturnal Opposition
wind bough
what trailer is that?
5.5
silk cape
this bit might be part of the background crystal
That's the Keeper of the Lake in the background, so this is Mor Dhona, right?
wind bough
Yep
dim sigil
I'm pretty sure they said a character vital to 6.0 is going to show up so I assumed that as them probably
forest magnet
that is one trillion percent mor dhona
wind bough
We’re looking over Lake Silvertear.
subtle pasture
Aye, so it’s not during the BS at Carteneau but can’t say if before or after
forest magnet
in fact if I'm super bored I'll try and locate teh exact spot
forest magnet
Speaking of airships, do we know what the "Bonanaza" is referencing
subtle pasture
Raising the question of Hydaelyn directly speaking to us makes a good premise for her to eject Venat before the end of 5.5 part 2
forest magnet
or if Bonanza is even a FF reference at all
wet crown
Raising the question of Hydaelyn directly speaking to us makes a good premise fo...
This might just be Venat
subtle pasture
Zodiark ejected Elidibus when the Convocation needed his guidance, after all
—I was technically not incorrect there
bold condor
inb4 us assuming it's Venat/Hydaelyn is as off the mark as us assuming the Voice was Elidibus/Zodiark.
subtle pasture
It’s Nerva
bold condor
inb4 it's actually someone connected to the moon but not Hydaelyn herself
wet crown
I get the feeling Nerva will never become relevant until 6.1
bold condor
Although another possibility is that this figure appears but can't get a message to us despite attempting to.
forest magnet
So uh, my cursory google search reveals that Bonanza is a FFXI reference
subtle pasture
I think he’ll be involved with that Garlean Train Yard dungeon and that’s pretty much all I got for him atm
viscid monolith
Lv. 30 (passive) Diurnal Sect : Improves the regen effect of Aspected Benefic an...
That regen would have to weak as fuck
subtle pasture
I assume that dungeon is set in, well, the Garlemald zone
wet crown
Not necessarily. Aspected B and H have flat heals on them to begin with and it's not their only spells at those levels, so it doesn't feel like shitty level ups
subtle pasture
Not, like, as it’s final boss I hope, I like the idea of the dungeon being about helping Garlean refugees
forest magnet
Reusing Tower train assets for Garlean dungeon probably
wet crown
Not that Aspected Benefic is amazing anyway
torpid yoke
inb4 the figure is hades 
somber storm
SMN Louisoux
wet crown
New Trance mechanic : Become the Demi-Egi
subtle pasture
I seriously doubt they’ll make Aspected Benefic/Helios retain their Nocturnal Sect effects bc, again, Intersection is right there,
wet crown
I for one, would not mind. At least that power goes to someone who knows how to stand still and attack I'M LOOKING AT YOU BOTH BAHAMUT AND PHOENIX YOU CLINGY FUCKS
tidal mauve
summon train
subtle pasture
Opposition could also be made to do its Nocturnal effect by default
wet crown
Y'know, every time I suggest SMN changes, I keep getting downvoted by people who apparently think Titan's shield is good enough to warrant never making Titan viable to be used
silk cape
what I'm getting from all this is that the crystal silhouette we meet in Mor Dhona is Hot Elezen Fusoya
crystal arrow
Although another possibility is that this figure appears but can't get a message...
wouldn't that be a bit too close to the intro of shb and graha?
torpid yoke
Y'know, every time I suggest SMN changes, I keep getting downvoted by people who...
titan is viable for prog
bold condor
wouldn't that be a bit too close to the intro of shb and graha?
I just mean that it's likely the first time we see the figure will be purely for the sake of introducing the mystery of who it is.
torpid yoke
two manawards thats on a shorter cd than blm is huge
bold condor
Rather than explaining it right away.
wet crown
what point is there for the SMN to survive, when the other 3 DPS would die?
the shield is unnecessary, period
torpid yoke
to see further into a fight and can rez
crystal arrow
I just mean that it's likely the first time we see the figure will be purely for...
maybe? but then that raises the question of why we're in that certain spot in silvertear, doesn't it?
maybe, given that random line about when hydy spoke to us last, we hear her and she tells us to go there, or something
actually, wait, that's the spot where the scion airship docks isn't it
wet crown
it doesn't serve a purpose for the trade-off of lost DPS
bold condor
maybe? but then that raises the question of why we're in that certain spot in si...
It depends, though it's not their usual style.
They don't usually introduce a mystery and resolve it the same patch unless it's an X.0 patch.
torpid yoke
if you're proging seeing further in a fight is more important at times than doing good dps ehva
crystal arrow
They don't usually introduce a mystery and resolve it the same patch unless it's...
Yeah, true
But they will be doing that in 6.0, so - resolving whatever is established by it in the same patch, I mean
subtle pasture
Still waiting on the “introduced to someone important to 6.0,” aren’t we?
crystal arrow
^ it's what I'm thinking that figure is
crystal arrow
brb for feesh
subtle pasture
My threat to chuck Venat off that cliff if she looks like Ysayle still stands >:(
Or Minfilia or even Moenbryda
It’s prob gonna be Min-ish, I suppose
Well, she’d probably be cloaked and masked til mid to late EW obviously 
torpid yoke
i think fflogs fixed? diamond weapon stuff XD
wet crown
Twins don't have anything special to say when going against Lunar Bahamut.
Just something like
This isn't the real Bahamut. Just an imitation.
Imitation or not. We would be fools to underestimate it.
balmy mesa
I think he’ll be involved with that Garlean Train Yard dungeon and that’s pretty...
why am I getting a feeling that it's going to be a knockoff of the train graveyard in FF7R? cos fuck that place.
though considering the flesh towers...
yeah I can see them doing that.
just general squick
like, if Resident Evil was in FFXIV
with all the camera angles
no jump scares, just... vaguely unsettling
brisk quail
why am I getting a feeling that it's going to be a knockoff of the train graveya...
WoL hops off the train.
where's my money, i mean loot.
somber storm
All you have to do is follow the damn train WoL
viscid monolith
@distant sonnet Watching Zenos get upset over a failure was a good change of pace
brisk quail
All you have to do is follow the damn train WoL
Fission Mailed
distant sonnet
<@217025905682284544> Watching Zenos get upset over a failure was a good change ...
Hes actually invested in a plan, its crazy.
teal geyser
Hes actually invested in a plan, its crazy.
Yeah this is the most invested he's ever been in something that wasn't immediately a fight
viscid monolith
Ya haven't seen that since 4.0
distant sonnet
I also like it because it makes him an active participant to the plan and not just a glorified minion.
torpid yoke
And soon he will control "you know what"
viscid monolith
Well he's still not active because Fandaniel is the one overseeing the plan
severe brook
i imagine Zenos was invested because he was hoping Lunar Bahamut would be a constant threat and help drive us towards him
as if LB was his 'hunting hound'
that way he'd still be invested in the plan, even though Lunar Bahamut isn't actually that important in the long term
his anger at losing it is probably going to be what motivates him to take action in Part 2
tight marlin
fanny is the charisma that zenos lacks, together they could make a great dynamic
regal lantern
Why can’t Zenos just come to WoL is beyond me. Guy can Ascian-teleport and body hop ffs. He even enjoys messing with people knowingly so he can just take over a scion body for a moment and then meet WoL somewhere and fight but nope.
tight marlin
because he wants WoL at his absolute best. what's the fun in fighting the same type of strength over and over and over again, expecting a different result
brisk quail
Both equally nuts.
Both equally broke.
Tune in for the next episode of Garlean Nutcase.
Fanny: Zenos? Did you eat my lunar shinryu?
Zenos: of course I didn't!
Zenos then stuffs what remains of the wyrm's tail into his mouth.
Fandaniel: zenossss
Canned laughter ensues
regal lantern
because he wants WoL at his absolute best. what's the fun in fighting the same t...
So he just thinks WoL will fuse with Hydaelyn?
teal geyser
So he just thinks WoL will fuse with Hydaelyn?
Possibly, if he fuses with Zodiark we might not have a choice really
brisk quail
Tbh yeah
tight marlin
5.0 he literally was like
brisk quail
That's a likely circumstance
teal geyser
Like, the point is he is forcing us to do these things, not that we are going to willingly do it regardless of what he does
tight marlin
"LETS FUCKING EAT ZODIARK AND HYDAELYN AND FIGHT EACH OTHER GOD STYLE"
brisk quail
We get to be inside mommy hydalen
teal geyser
We get to be inside mommy hydalen<:uwucarby:588388854755491860>
What if mommy Hydae vores us instead?
regal lantern
I wanna know how many people truly believe Hydaelyn’s bad
brisk quail
Just killed off.
tight marlin
What if mommy Hydae vores us instead?
impossible. we know Hydaelyn's just gonna do the step on me meme, like all of E8
brisk quail
I don't think anyone thinks hydalen is bad.
They're definitely both straying towards grey.
teal geyser
I wanna know how many people truly believe Hydaelyn’s bad
A shocking amount
teal geyser
I don't think anyone thinks hydalen is bad.
No there is a statistically significant amount that genuinely think she's bad
tight marlin
"hydaelyn is bad we need to kill her! we're just tempered!"
me: aight if we are tempered how come we havent done anything remotely bad yet
teal geyser
"hydaelyn is bad we need to kill her! we're just tempered!"
me: aight if we are...
Me: "How come Ardbert was able to almost kill Minfilia, well, intent to kill anyway"
Me: "Well we sure have a lot of fucking autonomy, even if we are tempered it feels like it means nothing"
Me: "By this logic did Middy untemper us in ARR?"
strange wing
Meanwhile.
"Emet-selch did nothing wrooooooong"
wet crown
he certainly didn't
tight marlin
lol i was in an argument today (although surprisingly civil) about the angle of how emet's character is like "you need to understand and feel bad for the villain" but im like "yeah but when u pull that twice within the same expansion, a 3rd time is gonna make that angle look dull"
teal geyser
lol i was in an argument today (although surprisingly civil) about the angle of ...
Honestly I think they could genuinely do it a third time and most people be on board, those people are stupid but that's the community
tight marlin
Me: "How come Ardbert was able to almost kill Minfilia, well, intent to kill any...
Ardbert: i just...swung my axe?
oak pike
My reaction to emet is like “yeah I feel ya I’ll probably do the same if I’m in your shoes but I don’t want to die”
deft burrow
From Emet's perspective he didn't do anything wrong. Had we been in his position we'd be doing the same thing. That much our characters respect.
tight marlin
From Emet's perspective he didn't do anything wrong. Had we been in his position...
would our character tho? would WoL really?
oak pike
WoL probably not, but irl me probably will
deft burrow
I mean Emet said we'd be doing the same thing if we were in his position and we didn't have any kind of retort to that as the scions
oak pike
If I’m in emet shoes
deft burrow
Alphinaud just kind of was like "damn, kind of right"
tight marlin
Honestly I think they could genuinely do it a third time and most people be on b...
apparently only good bad guys have to be deeply sympathetic, well written to the point where we are playing the baddies
tulip geyser
Well I think it was that its easy to say "No I'd never" from this end of things without it happening to them
And they get that
oak pike
apparently only good bad guys have to be deeply sympathetic, well written to the...
Give us more Zenos 
pastel coyote
Nah Emet point was that the sundered wouldn't be able to to what Emet and the ancient have done: sacrifice themself for the world.
deft burrow
Well he said that half of the current source inhabitants wouldn't sacrifice themselves for the other half, meanwhile the Ancients DID do that. Creates some sort of moral high ground for him to go off of.
tight marlin
zenos's issue isnt his motivation
It's his charisma...or lack of
tulip geyser
Well he said that half of the current source inhabitants wouldn't sacrifice them...
Yeah he knows he himself is terrible but he puts the Ancients themselves in a very high place.
tight marlin
zenos would be way more compelling if something was like....
pastel coyote
Well his moral high ground stand given how the scion react: they know it's true
regal lantern
My biggest point that we’re not tempered is always Ardbert and Co, hell even Ryne.
*Btw something one person pointed it out that Emet Selch saying H and Z are primals were meant in the way that he explained things to us in words we’d understand. Ancients making Primals and us... sundered being incapable of creation magic making a mockery of a mimicry of primals is vastly different. For starters, Ancient primals required pure life as sacrifices. We saw it in Akademia Aneyder, it’s the same as venat and Elidibus and further of everything Zodiark did. Regular primals on the other hand sucks on external aether. H and Z doesn’t do that. So people need to understand Zodiark tempering is very much possibly a different thing than our primals tempering.
tight marlin
when he invades Rhalgr's Reach he is attacked by Lyse and the scions, he takes them down, then looks around and sees that none of the ala mhigans wanna touch him
tulip geyser
My biggest point that we’re not tempered is always Ardbert and Co, hell even Ryn...
Someone said comparing Z and H to the primals of today is comparing bikes to rockets.
Some things are the same, but...
tight marlin
and he would be like "oh come on, the enemy is right at your home! WILL YOU NOT MAKE AN ATTEMPT AT HIS LIFE!? cowards..."
teal geyser
or starters, Ancient primals required pure life as sacrifices. We saw it in Akademia Aneyder, it’s the same as venat and Elidibus and further of everything Zodiark did.
Well you could argue that they also don't need that but that's an awful idea for reasons we know so they always kept them like, contained to one's aether instead. Really can't say that they CAN'T take aether from the environment
deft burrow
There's no reason for us to think Hydaelyn is all good at the moment, she is a primal just like any other. However we don't quite have any evidence to say she is steering us the wrong way. Aside from the fact that she hasn't spoken to us in a long time.
tight marlin
There's no reason for us to think Hydaelyn is all good at the moment, she is a p...
yet any hint of gray ness and people think that hydaelyn is worse than fucking valens
tulip geyser
If anything Ive seen more of "Hydaelyn is a benevolent mother goddess who cares if shes a primal and you're all edgelords for thinking maybe the other shoe will drop" but maybe I read the wrong people lol
deft burrow
We also have no evidence that Zodiark is all bad.
teal geyser
yet any hint of gray ness and people think that hydaelyn is worse than fucking v...
What I love most about all of this is that everything we've learned about Hyd isn't NEARLY as grey as the ORIGINAL grey Hydealyn shit back in HW that no one seems to give a shit about
oak pike
Asking about when was the last time hydelyn talked to us made me feel like I got ghosted by someone
tight marlin
anyways despite being a battle hungry person, zenos lacks the charisma that is mostly depicted in said battle hungry characters across other media
tight marlin
What I love most about all of this is that everything we've learned about Hyd is...
remind me that again?
teal geyser
Like, people are like "Oh no Hyd evil ahhh" because of what we learn in 5.0 but at no point did anyone ever see this and go "Maybe Hyd is evil guys"
tight marlin
u mean the flood of light stuff right?
oak pike
God imagine crystals stabbing your legs that gotta suck
stiff charm
unless
tight marlin
@teal geyser that art definitely looks a bit too ominous
teal geyser
<@!207811544925339648> that art definitely looks a bit too ominous
was from 3.2 FYI
deft burrow
Sus
teal geyser
So was teasing Word of the Mother
tight marlin
nah nowadays we have emet apologists who think WE SHOULD SACRIFICE OURSELVES FOR THE ANCIENTS
but then emet threatens their loved ones and they're like wait can we talk about this
oak pike
So is hyd sus or no
teal geyser
So is hyd sus or no
Naw
deft burrow
Yes and no
gloomy shale
has the byakko crafted been in the game? or just added?
tight marlin
just added
oak pike
Aight all praise momma crystal
gloomy shale
so hades and byakko were the only two added?
deft burrow
We can't blindly trust her anymore but she hasn't done anything to hurt us
tight marlin
hydy's been sus for a long fucking time lol. its just that its only NOW that people are salty about her and think that she's worse than the fucking 13 world genociders
teal geyser
Wait actually depends on what you count as sus, she lies to us and stuff but I have absolutely no doubts on where her morals and stuff lay so I wouldn't consider her sus in the same way I don't consider Urianger sus
Even when Urianger doesn't tell me the truth I have complete trust in his reasonings
wet crown
Did Hydaelyn ever deal with half-thruths upfront?
teal geyser
Yes, the entire 3.2 talk can be argued to be one massive half-truth
tulip geyser
That little yarn she told us doesnt seem to be entirely right
teal geyser
Other than that cutscene she's never lied to us, not even remotely
tight marlin
and even if she did lie, how often has she been a detriment to us
teal geyser
and like....you can come up with 5 good reasons why she wouldn't tell you the truth there ranging from practicality to just straight up keeping it hidden to stop genocidal people like Varis
tulip geyser
But yeah. The OG crystals do their jobs. I dont think they even really can be good or evil.
tight marlin
varis is just like every garlean
a disappointment
wet crown
She didn't tell Derplander everything though. Which is neither good or bad
teal geyser
But yeah. The OG crystals do their jobs. I dont think they even really can be go...
I think you can be good or evil as a primal just like you can be good or evil as a person
oak pike
Hyd just vibes
wet crown
Well, I don't see Him or Her being in the protagonist /antagonist role
deft burrow
But what is the sound?!?!?!
tulip geyser
Dunno yet
teal geyser
Well, I don't see Him or Her being in the protagonist /antagonist role
Hyd is a support protag
tight marlin
the sound is someone who fell down some stairs
teal geyser
the sound is someone who fell down some stairs
Them Zenos asscheeks
deft burrow
oooh
wet crown
I mean, neither one is fully the hero or villian considering what they did.
deft burrow
Hydaelyn kind of caused the world to be split
tight marlin
imagine being a giant ass ancient who can create anything with a thought
and u fell down some fucking stairs
humilitating right? better to blame it on a monster
deft burrow
Kind of sus tbh
distant sonnet
Did anyone ever figure out where the Cruise Chaser whistle comes from
wet crown
Mogstation, Zadnor or Fanfest
teal geyser
I mean, neither one is fully the hero or villian considering what they did.
ehhh, I do genuinely wonder if Hyd knew the world was going to be split when fighting Zodiark, if she didn't know then I think that shouldn't count towards her not being a hero because then you'd have to say Ardbert isn't a hero because he almost destroyed his world unintentionally
tulip geyser
ehhh, I do genuinely wonder if Hyd knew the world was going to be split when fig...
If all this was caused over an accident that might actually be worse. Yeah she didnt mean it but good lord thats a lot of fallout
deft burrow
ehhh, I do genuinely wonder if Hyd knew the world was going to be split when fig...
Yeah but Ardbert ended up saving his world in the end, Hydaelyn hasn't tried to rejoin the worlds, in fact the calamities make her weaker. So I mean... kind of?
distant sonnet
Probably not pvp then? Gotta figure out how motivated I am to bother with the feast
tight marlin
Yeah but Ardbert ended up saving his world in the end, Hydaelyn hasn't tried to ...
ardbert didnt do shit
deft burrow
;-;
tight marlin
all he did was be a ghost and we had to carry his ass
deft burrow
He's the reason we beat Emet
teal geyser
If all this was caused over an accident that might actually be worse. Yeah she d...
I know we established in 3.2 Hyd seems to not be telling the whole truth but she did genuinely sound like she did not mean it because they "both called out in despair" over the sundering
wet crown
She was specifically summoned with the power to [shackle] Him. Splitting space into 14 pieces might have been not exactly what Venat's group have in mind though.
tight marlin
yes we're gonna ignore the Ardbert boosts WoL stats by 100%
tight marlin
maybe because hydaelyn CANT rejoin the worlds?
or maybe she knows that rejoining means EVERYONE FUCKING DIES
teal geyser
She was specifically summoned with the power to [shackle] Him. Splitting space i...
Yeah but unlike the Ascians she's accepted it and protects the new life as it exists instead of destroying it by, for instance, keeping the past unknown as Elidibus mentions
wet crown
at the cost of the old world
tulip geyser
Yeah Venat would never want the new life she wanted to save to be more vulnerable
wet crown
not exactly heroic
tight marlin
Ascians: we need to do the rejoining
"Aight cool how much does it cost?"
"about 50 trillion lives?"
"U FUCKING WHAT???"
perhaps hydaelyn thought of the rejoining but for a life protector goddess she's like "you know....as much as it sucked losing the old world i dont think a couple worlds/universes of lives is a good deal"
teal geyser
Ascians: we need to do the rejoining
"Aight cool how much does it cost?"
"about ...
Ascians: "dw most of them are insane and are killing themselves for us, weird shit."
tight marlin
Ascians: "dw most of them are insane and are killing themselves for us, weird sh...
some tempered fuck: GLORY BE TO ZODIARK
ascians: i swear its so weird we didnt do anything
teal geyser
perhaps hydaelyn thought of the rejoining but for a life protector goddess she's...
Yeahhhh, and Elidibus pointed out that seemingly one of Hydaelyn's main goals is to keep the old world dead and forgotten which makes sense given...Varis
Like, this is point 1 of 5 of why the 3.2 talk is fine, if she told us the truth you'd get people like Varis all the time
tulip geyser
Yeah I feel like rejoinings would be way harder if humans werent so prone to be asshats to each other.
tight marlin
keeping the old world dead SOUNDS bad but it only sounds bad to someone who's willing to yeet a child off a cliff for the sake of a god
teal geyser
Yeah I feel like rejoinings would be way harder if humans werent so prone to be ...
Maybe they should stop fucking destroying civilisations 
tight marlin
Yeah I feel like rejoinings would be way harder if humans werent so prone to be ...
laughs in garlemald
oak pike
Didnt ala mihgo went to war with gridania?
teal geyser
Ye many many years ago, "The Autumn War"
The first time the city-states made an Eorzean Alliance to fight Ala Mhigo and Ala Mhigo got fuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked after initially beating the shit out of Gridania
teal geyser
Theo was after the war
oak pike
That was the mad king right?
brisk quail
It's true though
All my homies hate Theodoric
teal geyser
Yeah but again, he only came into power after the war
teal geyser
I forget the name of the ruler of Ala Mhigo during the war but he was...okay, he did the war out of necessity of Ala Mhigo's economic collapse because no one liked land trading anymore due to boats.
tight marlin
fair
clever flume
Manfred
teal geyser
Ala Mhigo was mega prosperous for a decent chunk of time because it was the only trade route between Eorzea and elsewhere
Thanks Kael, who was the general then....G-something right?
clever flume
Upon coming into power, King Manfred of Ala Mhigo ordered his armies to undertake large-scale campaigns to expand territory and promote economic growth. Fearing intrusion into the Twelveswood, Gridania appointed the renowned lancer Vainchelon commander of its forces and dispatched them to the eastern border formed by the Velodyna River, sparking the Autumn War.
silk cape
theodick
teal geyser
Gylbarde there we go
clever flume
The Ala Mhigan general, Gylbarde, was a believer in The Fist of Rhalgr and enjoyed great popularity in his homeland. Morale was high on both sides as the armies met on the Finesand Banks. Though no victor emerged, Vainchelon suddenly took violently ill. He planned to feign a retreat to Camp Nine Ivies and ambush the Ala Mhigans as they gave chase into more familiar territory, but died before his intentions could manifest.
oak pike
Thanks Kael
teal geyser
Yeah Ala Mhigo was a fucking powerhouse back in the day, like, the best military on the continent
teal geyser
```The Ala Mhigan general, Gylbarde, was a believer in The Fist of Rhalgr and en...
Was this just gamerescape or something? I assumed it was a passage from the lorebook but I don't see it
clever flume
mhm its on the autum war page
oak pike
Was autum war before or after the great flood ?
clever flume
after
oak pike
So red magic was created by then if I remember correctly ?
clever flume
er sorry actually before
teal geyser
So red magic was created by then if I remember correctly ?
Yes
teal geyser
er sorry actually before
No after, you were right
Ala Mhigo and Gridania didn't exist before the flood
oak pike
Cause didn’t red magic came to be after white and black mages ended up in gyr Albania after the flood
clever flume
oh i was misreading the 6th calamity page
teal geyser
mhm its on the autum war page
When you say that there is no specific page on that so you just mean the section of it in the Ala Mhigan history?
clever flume
there is a specific page for the autumn war
teal geyser
number?
clever flume
oh not in EE
teal geyser
clever flume
teal geyser
I thought you "mhm"'d to the lorebook lol
clever flume
apologies 
teal geyser
no no it's my fault too for assuming
oak pike
Yeah I can see how ala mihgo was a power house back then
teal geyser
Man I fucking love Gamerescape pages it's all lovingly sourced
Fuck I forgot Ala Mhigo had griffon riders, fucking bullshit
strange wing
I wonder how they lost to the garleans then. No guns and lack of armor? Did they just charge at the enemy and get tripped up in killfields?
clever flume
Gaius came in when ala mhigo was at pretty much its lowest point. he helped pushed their unrest
strange wing
Oh right, forgot about the Autumn War.
clever flume
Like Autumn War was when they were pretty much at their height. By the time Gaius rolled around, they were not a power house anymore
strange wing
When they got slapped hard by Eorzea.
teal geyser
Yeah Ala Mhigo had literally been killing itself for ages because Theodoric burned all the monks, just generally genocided people, there were a couple of rebellions that got massacred...obviously for these reasons Ala Mhigo wasn't militarily sound
oak pike
Yeah and then gaius pretty much defeat them politically right ?
teal geyser
Kinda, he funded the rebellions against the king so when they were done killing each other in the revolt he could walk in with both sides dead
clever flume
gaius abused the fact that there was so much infighting/dealing with theodoric to swoop in and take it
strange wing
Too bad he didnt try to rebuild things. They probably would have been unstoppable if they werent so shitty to the populace
teal geyser
^ he still took it by force just in a way they couldn't really fight back
strange wing
But Garlemalding was designed to be shit so it makes sense
teal geyser
Too bad he didnt try to rebuild things. They probably would have been unstoppabl...
Dude Gaius did worse than that, he actively blew everything up AFTER he took over to prevent different communities from meeting up and planning. All those destroyed bridges and stuff in Peaks? All Gaius' fault
clever flume
could say that ala mhigo had basically crippled itself and all gaius really had to do is come in for the coup de grace
teal geyser
Yep
tight marlin
and then gaius is like
U NEED ME TO GUIDE U
garleans: "aight we got this whole list of war crimes to do on their children!"
teal geyser
I really wouldn't blame the Autumn War for the majority of Ala Mhigo's failure to protect itself
strange wing
Ooh, I should do more sidequests. I thought that was all during the war.
clever flume
I'd say that autumn war was the beginning of their downfall
teal geyser
It was Kael, they were on the up and up before then
strange wing
Remember, imperialism is bad kids.
clever flume
IF they had won the autumn war, then things would definitely be different
oak pike
oh apprenlty the autum war was the birth of Bards thats kind of random
clever flume
yep
gloomy shale
Is Diamond Ex the fastest extreme this expansion?
teal geyser
war happened, Ala Mhigo lost, Ala Mhigo's economy TANKED HARD, lot of social unrest, king made Fist of Rhalgr state religion to make everyone happy and stuff, Theodoric became king after, he hated the Fist of Rhalgr, made Nymeia the state Goddess, said he was an agent of her will basically, burned down the entire monk order, killed everyone, even his own family, had a weird ass wife who he kept simping for and she had some...weird tastes...she eventually died too because theodoric was insane etc etc then eventually one revolution beat Theo and then Gaius comes in
clever flume
the 60-70 bard quests also goes over autumn war
oak pike
I job skipped bard 
clever flume
ng+ baby
oak pike
yeah still need to go through that
teal geyser
Also during all of that they kept having skirmishes with Garlemald, one of which is how Raubahn got wounded, got told to rest home, Garlemald came and took over and Raubahn fucked off to Ul'dah where he got slaved up in the bloodsands for being an "imperial spy"
gloomy shale
Is there any hint of what the next extreme will be?
teal geyser
There is no more extremes until 6.0, one of the new trials would be Anima so that and the other trial while leveling will be the next EXs
maiden lodge
Is Diamond Ex the fastest extreme this expansion?
No, it's the second slowest.
next quarry
fastest is prob inno
crystal arrow
I think it's second slowest to... hades?
maiden lodge
Yeah, it's not as long as Hades, but it's WAY ahead of any of the others
gloomy shale
at least there isn't a 2 minute cutscene like in Hades
teal geyser
Hades is the best EX made though
next quarry
Hades is really cool
clever flume
Aza ❤️
gloomy shale
yeah iht's rad
next quarry
yello kael
gloomy shale
Hades and Seat are the two best this xpac
clever flume
how ya been
next quarry
took a mental break from this server, am happy now
clever flume
good to hear
gloomy shale
that mechanic is so easy on Hades
maiden lodge
If the safe spot didn't exist, it'd be perfect. Though, I can understand why someone would not agree with that statement.
gloomy shale
for the safe spot
maiden lodge
I dont use the safe spot since I can never use it
Imagine back when you couldn't save markers
gloomy shale
yeah I spent so much time on positioning for that safe spot lol
maiden lodge
I got good at knowing when someone placed it poorly.
next quarry
wasnt the save marker thing added in 5.1
maiden lodge
5.2
next quarry
geez
gloomy shale
will Anima be leveling or endgame primal?
next quarry
leveling
maiden lodge
will Anima be leveling or endgame primal?
I mean, it's mid expac so both.
next quarry
EX will prob have weapon if its the level 83/84 one
maiden lodge
cause levelling primals are endgame primals in ex
gloomy shale
so it will be a 6.x primal?
next quarry
yes
gloomy shale
hmm they usually do two on launch right?
teal geyser
so it will be a 6.x primal?
6.0
maiden lodge
2 they announce that are your levelling and endgame ones, and a boss that they save for .1
next quarry
like for ShB we had titania, inno and hades
distant sonnet
I'm wondering if we won't see another. If only because they said 6.0 is the entirety of the story. Or if the rush to the end will just be a shorter story.
teal geyser
Yeah listen Nova the trials they show in fanfests are the first two in the expansion like Titania and Inno for ShB
They don't show the final one or anything like that
maiden lodge
I'm wondering if we won't see another. If only because they said 6.0 is the enti...
They already said it'll be the same story density as Shadowbringers
distant sonnet
Ahhh.
teal geyser
In fact we won't even know what the trial series will be
next quarry
or alliance
teal geyser
or alliance
Nah they'll probably show us it in May
next quarry
but thats prob gonna be fanfest thing
distant sonnet
So just no .1 to .3 story to finish off the main one.
gloomy shale
Yeah hopefully the alliance raid is interesting and original this time around
maiden lodge
They don't have to fuck around with the story structure to make it work, like the three expansions have ALL been a story leading to a massive climax. The secondary climax in x.3 doesn't even always match it. The difference is just that they won't go to a secondary climax.
next quarry
the story is done in 6.0, new story starts in 6.1
teal geyser
Yeah hopefully the alliance raid is interesting and original this time around
It's clearly about Silvertear and the presence under there...if they aren't doing that already
oak pike
26 days left till 6.0 info
distant sonnet
True. Stormbloods .3 didn't feel like much of a climax.
maiden lodge
True. Stormbloods .3 didn't feel like much of a climax.
Yeah, it's not 'THE END OF STORMBLOOD' it's just wrapping up an important story
gloomy shale
final job announcement 26 days also so hype
distant sonnet
Looking forward to all the wrathful tears at the job announce.
Its gonna be wild.
gloomy shale
It will be an experience
maiden lodge
For myself, the real tea will be dispensed with the inevitable job actions trailer
teal geyser
Looking forward to all the wrathful tears at the job announce.
I'm scared they are going to be mine
next quarry
I just dont want a scythe job
teal geyser
I'm fine with scythe job only under specific conditions
placid sail
don't expect the job action trailer until like a month before the expansion, if not less
gloomy shale
the job is going to be farmer using the scythe
distant sonnet
I'm pretty happily divorsed from it, because I just don't care for melee in real content.
teal geyser
Ew, that's a bad take
maiden lodge
Okay so this is off topic
teal geyser
Okay so this is off topic
Fuck topics
distant sonnet
Some people like it but its just not my jam.
maiden lodge
But my big fat black cat was sitting across the room, and so I just pointed at her and she started purring loudly.
gloomy shale
it's a spoiler kinda I guess
oak pike
send pictures
maiden lodge
Do continue.
next quarry
I havent touched a melee in a year so
teal geyser
But my big fat black cat was sitting across the room, and so I just pointed at h...
point at her more
next quarry
idk what they do anymore, when channy talks about uptime I just lose focus
gloomy shale
Yeah for some reason I just don't click with melee, feels like it's too much work
crystal arrow
I don't think it'll be silvertear, but I'm not super sure as to what else it'd be
clever flume
you listen to channy? :^)
maiden lodge
I mean it's not a caster so obviously won't be the chosen dps lord
next quarry
he does callouts so ya
clever flume
oh boo, you're suppose to ignore him
next quarry
o
gloomy shale
it will be the new lolDRG
distant sonnet
Red Mage shall ever reign.
maiden lodge
Red Mage slogan: 'We always do ok damage, eventually'
oak pike
we're middle of the road
gloomy shale
will the new job be the reverse RDM?
maiden lodge
distant sonnet
I accept the slight dip in damage for the utility. I would also accept better damage and a 3 to 5 minute CD on VerRaise.
maiden lodge
I accept the slight dip in damage for the utility. I would also accept better da...
I wouldn't.
teal geyser
I don't think it'll be silvertear, but I'm not super sure as to what else it'd b...
I mean, there are only two long held mysteries in Eorzea in the game
- Silvertear presence
- Pretty much everything about Ramuh and the shit he's pulled.
only one of these can really be a raid
MAYBE you could take about Nagyn/Origin or Aerslaent roe mythos shit but that's really not a mystery to the playerbase and it's not really Eorzea?
teal geyser
will the new job be the reverse RDM?
Nah, I want a job like that but I don't think this is it
maiden lodge
An extra 1k dps is not really worth exchanging the ability to walk into an EX farm and dragging paste eating choadafucks kicking and screaming across the finishline
BLM will do good damage.
RDM will hard carry that pug.
torpid yoke
will the new job be the reverse RDM?
Possiblely
distant sonnet
I mean, there are only two long held mysteries in Eorzea in the game
1) Silverte...
The only other thing would maybe be something themed around whatever the Elementals were?
But I'm willing to bet its Silvertear just so the devs can have us shut the hell up about Silvertear.
teal geyser
The only other thing would *maybe* be something themed around whatever the Eleme...
I suppose you could say elementals are a thing shrouded in mystery especially in their origin and their "mother" or however they label their thingy but ehhhh
distant sonnet
An extra 1k dps is not really worth exchanging the ability to walk into an EX fa...
This so hard in 24 mans, yes.
crystal arrow
I mean, there are only two long held mysteries in Eorzea in the game
1) Silverte...
I mean, there's also stuff like Belah'dia/sil'dih and gelmorra
distant sonnet
I suppose you could say elementals are a thing shrouded in mystery especially in...
It helps that they're little bitty Hydaelyns.
maiden lodge
This so hard in 24 mans, yes.
And the devs don't balance around speedrunning because honestly it should be obvious why devs don't balance around speedruns
dim sigil
I genuinely have no idea what people are talkin about by look at what direction Diamond weapon is looking at to see where the last dash goes he doesn't seem to be looking at anything
teal geyser
But I'm willing to bet its Silvertear just so the devs can have us shut the hell...
Not to mention that Koji talked about the presence a couple years ago in a shocking amount of detail and seemed like it's totally game to be put back in the game
teal geyser
I mean, there's also stuff like Belah'dia/sil'dih and gelmorra
No, none of those are mysteries at all really
maiden lodge
I genuinely have no idea what people are talkin about by look at what direction ...
During the zigzag? I can help you
teal geyser
We don't know a lot about them mind you but they aren't "shrouded in mystery"
crystal arrow
I mean, they are in the grand scheme of things - gelmorra was also supposed to be important in 1.0
gloomy shale
What climate regions will the new zones be you think?
oak pike
honesty i have a hard time eyeballing diamond zig zag zoomies
dim sigil
During the zigzag? I can help you
Yeah the very last - like people say to look up by four Ps but his head doesn't move at all
distant sonnet
In fact I'd almost be willing to bet not just Silvertear, but some of the 12 manifesting as bosses.
maiden lodge
Okay I got the answer for yous
torpid yoke
An extra 1k dps is not really worth exchanging the ability to walk into an EX fa...
Smn can do both so if anyone should get a rez cd it's smn
maiden lodge
He'll either turn to your left or your right.
On the side that he turns towards, there is a forcefield orb above the arena, either on the side close to you, or the opposite side. The ORB tells you which he'll bounce off of.
gloomy shale
I miss playing SMN hopefully they change it drastically for expansion
torpid yoke
The good thing about playing smn: you get a new job every expansion
maiden lodge
If that doesn't make sense I can draw a diagram
distant sonnet
The good thing about playing smn: you get a new job every expansion
Thats for true.
gloomy shale
yeah it's become too much job they new to trim it down
dim sigil
I just don't know when or where he is looking because it doesn't seem to be a moment
torpid yoke
yeah it's become too much job they new to trim it down
It's just faster paced is all really
oak pike
adds a new trance a light base trance
teal geyser
What climate regions will the new zones be you think?
Garlemald snow ruins, Thav hot, Moon...I have no idea because there is going to be something to it, I assume it's going to be dark, gloomy and also modern, mystery zone assuming we get one I have no idea, Sharlayan will be fair skies, kinda cold, really like Dravania I guess but a little different on account of being an island, I assume we'll get another Ilsabard zone and I can't tell what to expect from it. I kinda want Nhalmasque or something, like, the central mountains of Ilsabard or something, there is one artwork of an Ilsabard location that looks like the fucking grand canyon so maybe like that? Idk
distant sonnet
I just want Meltdown and Vortex for powered up Red Mage combo finishers. Squareplz
gloomy shale
I just don't like all the phase transitions
torpid yoke
I just don't know when or where he is looking because it doesn't seem to be a mo...
His butt is your friend
teal geyser
In fact I'd almost be willing to bet not just Silvertear, but some of the 12 man...
I could see this being tied together especially if the root of all this is "Hydaelyn" but ehh
gloomy shale
@teal geyser sounds good
dim sigil
His butt is your friend
Is it supposed to be what direction he is facing before the dashes or after
torpid yoke
Before
oak pike
Garlemald gonna look like WW2 stalingrad
dim sigil
Okay that really helps narrow it down
Because I don't know when it was supposed to even look out for
maiden lodge
After the zigzag, he chills above the middle.
teal geyser
<@!207811544925339648> sounds good
Oh wait, I assume that Thav will be kinda split climate wise between the deserty kinda stuff we've seen already and the dense jungle that surrounds all of the city itself so hot desert and humid jungle boom done
maiden lodge
See which way he looks, and look for the blue disc at the end
gloomy shale
They are kinda lacking in jungle like locales, similar to costa del sol
torpid yoke
Pretty sure if he's facing the orb to your right you have to move every time
oak pike
i feel like thavnair gonna be more similar to costa del sol with half sand half jungle
maiden lodge
Nope, Rymi
distant sonnet
Which is weird cause jungles are neat and 11 had a bunch. They were awful.
gloomy shale
@oak pike ooh that sounds nice
maiden lodge
Just look for which direction has the disc on your side. If he turns towards that disc, go across. If he turns away from it, you're safe.
oak pike
yeah half sand half jungle or some mix of it
gloomy shale
that reminds me of that FFX location, was it Besaid or something?
next quarry
using natural coloring in large amounts would do it
bold condor
distant sonnet
Just wait till we hit that shit with shaders on.
maiden lodge
Because I don't know when it was supposed to even look out for
If you want I might have a video showing me looking for the tell
teal geyser
Just wait till we hit that shit with shaders on.
no
distant sonnet
Too flashy, away with that.
oak pike
god i want to go to Radz-at-han
clever flume
flashbacks to cleave enter il mheg for the first time
bold condor
XD
oak pike
bold condor
Can I just say how glad I am that I predicted what this place's aesthetic would be?
gloomy shale
Will we go to wherever Anima resides or will it show up in a nearby locale I wonder
teal geyser
The city itself looks fun with it's layout, I'm excited
teal geyser
Will we go to wherever Anima resides or will it show up in a nearby locale I won...
Anima would be in a new zone so...are you asking if we'll just find it in the new area or if it'll just appear in the new area while we are already there?
oak pike
anima is probably gonna be in thvnair
bold condor
I remember one of the opinions in pre-Shadowbringers when we thought we'd be going to Garlemald and Radz-at-Han was proposed as a capital was "well it'll just be Ul'dah/Ala Mhigo"
teal geyser
I remember one of the opinions in pre-Shadowbringers when we thought we'd be goi...
"desert zones are all the same"
bold condor
And I always thought that was fucking dumb because the Middle East and Mediterranean have a WIDE array of architectural styles.
distant sonnet
The people clinging to Thavnair = India. Delightful.
But like.. India as seen in American movies.
gentle heron
So I was thinking and I would find it hilarious if Fandaniel actually let himself be contained within white auracite and slain in the event that we shatter his plans to pieces
teal geyser
He wouldn't though, "better to die to one who has it all" yadda yadda
gloomy shale
Amh Araeng was my fav zone of this xpac, it just has a nice vibe
teal geyser
Amh Araeng was my fav zone of this xpac, it just has a nice vibe
I'd like it more if the layout didn't piss me off, it's not the best map and it's not the worst map in ShB
distant sonnet
I'm just really happy with Zenos this patch.