retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[teal geyser]

no

[torpid yoke]

also thanks for linking this

[teal geyser]

I didn't like anything

[severe brook]

we all know Aerslaent's Job will be Rune Knight

[torpid yoke]

l i n king not l i k ing XD

[teal geyser]

lowkey still want that Ilsabard

[heady lily]

are you talking about what I linked?

[severe brook]

...now granted, my predictions of Northern Empty for 7.0 with Sharlayan and Aerslaent as the central focuses feels very unlikely at this point

[torpid yoke]

i just cant see rune knight as something fun

[mighty light]

BRD revealed to actually be an Aerslaent tradition

[torpid yoke]

i cant fckn read today im done with today already

[teal geyser]

You have a poor imagination

[severe brook]

SKD announced as a new Healer

[severe brook]

Skald as an Aerslaent tradition

[torpid yoke]

im having a hard day ok

why do you think that?

[severe brook]

have it work as an Overshield Healer like Sage and Scholar, but it's much more brash and reckless compared to their more refined and scholarly approaches

[mighty light]

I just want anything other than "vikings!" or "runes!" associated with norse culture in a videogame

[misty yoke]

You must hate dragoons.

[torpid yoke]

i have a good imagination its just the ideas that has been presented have all been meh

[teal geyser]

I mean, a place desolated by warfare and is partly inhospitable, having an edgy class come from there using dark magic feels appropriate

[mighty light]

Is this directed at me or someone else

[teal geyser]

I don't know how lighting up your sword with different elements isn't cool

[severe brook]

it'd been a discussion before, about how Xande's pact could feasibly have resulted in there still being undead hordes on Meracydia
so the thought process is that the Reaper Job would've been developed by Meracydians to deal with the neverending hordes of undead. Send the voidsent possessing them back to hell, and lay the dead to rest.

[misty yoke]

Mb i meant at you as a joke

[severe brook]

with the Scythe being used to hack and slash through many undead at a time

[torpid yoke]

in other games maybe. In 14 it wouldnt be as exciting

[teal geyser]

All I can say is "you're wrong"

[torpid yoke]

alright how would you do rune knight cal

[mighty light]

I got it was a joke I just don't really understand
My brain is slightly melted atm; sorry about that

[severe brook]

of course, Zenos will be revealed to have learned this art at some point in the past, and will now use a butchered version of it to slaughter everything instead of just laying the dead to rest

[misty yoke]

Dw abt it mine is too

[teal geyser]

w-wait, does this make Meracydia the fucking WoW place?

[torpid yoke]

have the garleans even been near meracydia?

[teal geyser]

Where is our Lich King?

[severe brook]

maybe? i don't know WoW lore as well

[mighty light]

I volunteer as tribute

[teal geyser]

Fantastic trailer btw https://youtu.be/BCr7y4SLhck

[misty yoke]

Ik garleans are dicks but i dont think they’d go that far

[severe brook]

they haven't but i wouldn't be surprised if Zenos made requests to people to go and bring weaponsmasters from all over to teach him

during his youth

[teal geyser]

I doubt Garleans would even bother it's a lot of effort for a place that has no value, same reason they didn't take Steppe, not to mention it's just quite the distance

[mighty light]

Depending on what Meracydia looks like now, they might have sent envoys just so that they know what's going on there
Similar to Kugane
Doubt they're actually doing much, though

[torpid yoke]

Eh i dont think zenos would personally ask them to do that. Wasn't the corvosi guy taken by varis and told to train zenos by him?

[severe brook]

i don't think Meracydia's really in a state to have dedicated envoys

[misty yoke]

Ngl i dont think any sort of envoy will be able to reason with anything in meracydia

[severe brook]

maybe not Zenos personally, but Varis could've in that case

[teal geyser]

ehhh, the lorebook makes interesting wording of Meracydia basically killing most foreigners on sight

[misty yoke]

Let alone touch meracydia

[teal geyser]

But yeah I question how organised the Meracydians could really be

[torpid yoke]

i mean wouldn't you? Last time that happened they killed your mediary guy that was a dragon

[misty yoke]

If tiamat survives 6.0 maybe she could be our diplomat

[mighty light]

I mean
It's been how many thousands of years since the invasion now

[teal geyser]

5k

But TO BE FAIR, the lorebook says that TO THIS DAY parts of Meracydia is super fucked and inhospitable sooooo

[mighty light]

Yeah I can believe it's super fucked, but like
There's probably some kind of adapted society at this point

[teal geyser]

I mean, sure but an organised one with limited resources?

[torpid yoke]

they could be deep in the territory

[misty yoke]

Society is putting it loosely from what it looks like

[mighty light]

I dunno how 'developed' they'd be
Organization isn't super resource-dependent, though

[teal geyser]

I mean, if you had so little resources I think that'd encourage not organising because you're always at each other's throats?

[mighty light]

Either that or cooperation, so as to avoid wasting what you do have

There are examples of both, historically, and the latter isn't as uncommon as it's often presented as being

[teal geyser]

as it's often presented as being
This is a game written by writers, I think they'd go this route

[torpid yoke]

inb4 tiamat goes back and is just like: I WAS ONLY GONE FOR 5 MINUTES, HOW

[mighty light]

Maybe? They don't need to, though, and I think it'd be interesting to do the opposite

[teal geyser]

She gotta do the same shit she had to do back in the day

[misty yoke]

Tidal wave?

[severe brook]

i am kind of sad that none of the other Lunar Primals really look as warped as Lunar Bahamut

[teal geyser]

Same

[severe brook]

i think it'd be a neat way to distinguish them

[mighty light]

Maybe Ifrit'll grow his feathers in later

[teal geyser]

Also speaking of Telo shit, I hate the naming scheme in the dungeon and I hope it's not continued, it melts my brain

[misty yoke]

True

[heady lily]

give them all tendril faces and tapered wings

[misty yoke]

But tbf it’s just gonna be a whole lot of horns

Telodragon i get

[severe brook]

well for instance, if we got Lunar Susano in Yanxia
then imagine if it was like he was covered in blades and had giant blades for fingers

[misty yoke]

But what is telotek?

[teal geyser]

magitek but telo

[severe brook]

or just, weird warped stuff on all of them

[heady lily]

magitek but telo

[severe brook]

telotek but magic

[heady lily]

lol

[forest magnet]

the other ones are used for instanced fights they just put more effort into lunar bahamut because he's a dungeon boss

[severe brook]

Arch Ultima's also an instanced fight and has a unique design

[misty yoke]

So its just a knock off version of magitek like how bing is a knockoff google?

[forest magnet]

what fight was arch ultima again

[heady lily]

the estinien fight?

[misty yoke]

Estinien fight

[forest magnet]

oh right

[severe brook]

Estinien fight, as he flees the Palace post-Varis death

[misty yoke]

Where you were stuck with true thrust

[torpid yoke]

its probably like that so when we get all buddy buddy with nerva the regular magitek is distinguishable name wise

[forest magnet]

I had my hopes up that it would stick with using the Steps of Faith soundtrack for the Lunar Bahamut fight but they were swiftly dashed

[misty yoke]

Friendship ended with Gaius. Nerva is my best friend now

[crystal arrow]

It wouldn't be lunar susano, we don't face him in yanxia

[forest magnet]

Nerva's dead dude, or at least tempered

[crystal arrow]

i highly doubt both of those tbh

[forest magnet]

Lunar The Big One

[severe brook]

going by proximity since Lunar Tsukuyomi doesn't feel too likely to me; she never tempered anyone

or rather, never got a chance to

[crystal arrow]

you're forgetting the four lords, i bet someone thinks highly of them in yanxia

[misty yoke]

This is ff14 tbf where theres a character thats namedropped 10 times theres a way he’ll live

[mighty light]

There's
No way they talked so much about Nerva and then just killed him off off-screen

[misty yoke]

Lunar tsukiyomi aint possible tsuyu is dead

[severe brook]

Four Lords aren't primals, and so far the Lunar beings are pretty consistently based on Primals

[severe brook]

i mean so is Bahamut and yet

[forest magnet]

So Nerva probably wasn't in the capital when Fanny sent out his tempering

[crystal arrow]

except garlemald itself

[mighty light]

Like it seems really obvious to me that he'll be part of the faction of Garleans who'll be fighting against the Tempered in 6.0

[misty yoke]

Well tbf the children of meracydia were still around even in low numbers

[severe brook]

The idea of Garlemald does not appear to be a lunar beast, but instead appears to be being used as a link between all the Lunar Primals and to keep them and the tempered thralls loyal to one force

[misty yoke]

Plus all you have to do is kidnap some dragons

[crystal arrow]

if we see a lunar from yanxia it's not gonna be susano, no way - they'd need to bring koijin all the way to the tower to summon him

[forest magnet]

there's plenty of dragons left in coils probably

[misty yoke]

They were all put down iirc

[torpid yoke]

you think thats a hard thing to do?

[severe brook]

now, maybe there'll turn out to be a Primal Garlemald someplace whose power is infused in all the Towers, but that doesn't seem to be the case so far

[crystal arrow]

given the current state of things, yes

[serene crest]

Lunar Ganen or Lunar Kaien lets goooooooooooo

[misty yoke]

Alisaie basically said “this shit is disgusting turn it off”

[mighty light]

They brought dragons from Dalamud to Pagaltha'an

[crystal arrow]

I definitely, 100% think we'll find some artifical garlemald primal, and the towers are just amplifying its power

[misty yoke]

Willing to bet the garlean towers just gonna summon zodiark

[severe brook]

looking ahead, we can tell that either Thavnair has two dungeons, or they'll be bringing Matanga from Thavnair to somewhere else, because there are Matanga in the walls of the big flesh tower dungeon we see in the concept art

[severe brook]

can't summon another Zodiark while the original still lives

[gaunt star]

^

[crystal arrow]

people say this but i haven't seen proof of it, pls post screenies

[misty yoke]

Ah

[gaunt star]

hes sealed thats all xD

[torpid yoke]

i dont see why they couldnt just tie up some kojin and teleport them to a tower thats not at the ruby sea

[crystal arrow]

also there could be a tower in thavnair, for all we know lmfao

[gaunt star]

thats from the 6.0 dungeon right?

[severe brook]

those are Matanga stuck in the same positions as the Amal'jaa in the Paglth'an tower
it's from one of the 6.0 dungeons

[misty yoke]

Matanga?

[torpid yoke]

elephants

[crystal arrow]

oh wait aren't there matanga in ala mhigo or yanxia or something?

[gaunt star]

one of the upcoming beast tribes

[severe brook]

new Tribe. Elephant people. there are some in the Azim Steppe who are more violent, but these ones are more organized

[forest magnet]

Do the Mantanga worship Anima?

[gaunt star]

matanga are a fate at the xaela place

[severe brook]

no idea who they worship. the Magus Sisters are also notably in the same structure

[crystal arrow]

isn't there a tower near the steppe, or am I forgetting

[misty yoke]

Finally the best mother in the series anima might finally come

[gaunt star]

azim steppe whatever xd

[forest magnet]

no

[severe brook]

could even be that they worship the theoretical elephant primal that we speculated Ruby Weapon consumed

[crystal arrow]

possible, but probably not - i think the primals they all ate were ilsabardian

[severe brook]

https://twitter.com/Kainin/status/1357918750687850498?s=20

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in case anyone missed this from before, since we're talking about the same art

[crystal arrow]

they have elephant masks on, maybe the level 87 trial?

or no, one of the dungeons

[severe brook]

i think they're probably the dungeon boss

whether they're Lunar Primals or not remains to be seen

[vital brook]

Bro this is some Quake 4 bullshit

[misty yoke]

So why are they called lunar primals?

[gaunt star]

thats how fandaniel introduced them

[misty yoke]

H.R geiger type beat

[crystal arrow]

we don't know what makes them lunar besides being summoned by those tempered by garlemald

[gaunt star]

or atleast Bahamut, but since all primals share the same color well its easier

[misty yoke]

Ah

[severe brook]

currently unknown, it's just how Fandaniel calls them. Even in-universe it's remarked upon as a bit silly. Probably has something to do with Zodiark being in the moon.

[misty yoke]

Makes me wonder. How in lords name did fandango come up with this

[teal geyser]

By being insane

and also clearly having too much time on his hands

[misty yoke]

True

[gaunt star]

he has no principles and all that nor wants to bring back his people

so it all works for him

[misty yoke]

The unsundered are done the leftovers are just drifters and he basically has free reign of all the ascian tech

[gaunt star]

'tech'

[misty yoke]

Well sorta

[vital brook]

Theatrics is what our buddy Daniel specializes at

[wet crown]

oh ffs, Anima is already a lunar primal

[teal geyser]

Emet mad

[misty yoke]

I dont see how garlemald would come up with this

[mighty light]

I still think the towers themselves are the product of extreme tempering

[vital brook]

Emet specializes in tragedy, OnlyFansDaniel specializes in... idk, fucking being a jester

[severe brook]

i mean yeah, Anima could turn out to be the Tower-bound Matanga's creation

[gaunt star]

doesnt matter she is, shes gonna die anyway

[severe brook]

maybe they'll turn out to have a very animistic religion, and Anima is normally the deified embodiment of the world's life force

[mighty light]

They're made out of meat; somebody coulda just
Tempered a bunch of people into that shape

[misty yoke]

I pray we get something similar to ffx anima

[gaunt star]

man those meaty sounds in the tower cutscene

[severe brook]

and then the Tower manifests that belief of an embodied world-soul as a warped Lunar demon

[wet crown]

In FF fashion, anima will be warped so far, she'll look nothing like her actual form by the time we fight her

[misty yoke]

Thats true

[vital brook]

Y'know tho, when i saw those Amal'jaa at the towers stuck to the walls, i was reminded of Quake 4...i got a pic but i think it may be too graphic

[severe brook]

her lower body will naturally now be an elephant person instead of the old design

[gaunt star]

well we know she gets a redesign

[wet crown]

I just want to remind you, this isn't Anima's 2nd final fantasy appearance

[severe brook]

her upper body looks to be mostly similar with some subtle changes. the lower body will probably still exist, but will be completely different

[misty yoke]

I get that though it kinda reminded me of something out of H.R Geiger

[wet crown]

she's been in other games, too

[gaunt star]

shes been in like 10 other FF games whatever xd

[forest magnet]

all hte mobile games

[solar kettle]

Ok so.

apparently i'm being told that you can get raid mounts from treasure map dungeons now. can't sell them.

is there possibly confirmation about this?

[gaunt star]

[wet crown]

[misty yoke]

Really now?

[solar kettle]

APPARENTLY. because that's news to me.

[misty yoke]

Well shit

Glamour hunters are gonna love this

[solar kettle]

'tis true. but i need to see actual confirmation and not just words being told.

[misty yoke]

Thats fair

[carmine basin]

No, and if they still claim otherwise, they'd have to provide video evidence of them getting the mount in the loot list (because picture can be photoshopped)

[solar kettle]

mmhmm. that's why im saying i need to see actual confirmation. because i'm taking this with a giant grain of salt.

[carmine basin]

You're also kinda spreading this by asking around for info when discord search function would suffice >< People would've found out by now if it's true and react accordingly, with multiple photo evidence

[solar kettle]

that is true. and i do apologize for such.

[carmine basin]

Speaking of mounts, I went to check cruise chase since it's the only one not known where it's from, and it's apparently unique/unsellable, which might mean it:s reward instead of bozja lootbox

[solar kettle]

That would make sense.

[pine epoch]

ya I saw that. Tho it might change in 5.55, but at the moment its probably going to be mogstation or from something in 5.55

Something, We know it aint Moogle Tomes because I checked that

its a 2 seater as well

[carmine basin]

Do you already know the moogle tome rewards? 😮

[pine epoch]

also it isn't Feast. Because this season Feast rewards will be armor

And yes. Search up irregular tomestone and you'll find the Fanfest Moogle Tomes

Pageantry

One of only a few in existence, this Allagan tomestone contains knowledge of festivities for all manner of occasions, and even some created purely for sudden outbursts of inexplicable merriment.

Pagos Shiver emote and Pyros hairstyle

[carmine basin]

I use garlandtools so what I can find depends on what they uploaded/how it's categorized 😔

[pine epoch]

Cruise Chaser could be a achievement reward now that I think about it

for something in 5.55 and not mogstation. Which we all know everyone would buy it if it was mogstation. But it could be an achievement like... hmmm

[torpid yoke]

inb4 its feast mount

[pine epoch]

Well there is the Uznair Challenge for fanfest, to get to the bottom floor and take a screenshot for the chance to win a In Game item

One of the Uznair treasure dungeons

[torpid yoke]

i forgot to put anyways at the end

[pine epoch]

https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/h/L/xmLUJfqfk1KAjO-EPDZ73O1YJ4.jpg this is the Feast reward for this tier

[teal geyser]

Fucking god tier, wish they made these available a long time afterwards

[carmine basin]

Winning cruise chaser is a big reward for that 😲 but dunno if it's fair since the one who gets it is the one who posted the pic on twitter

[pine epoch]

Chance to win a in game reward is the wording for the uznair challenge so its probably a lottery system

[carmine basin]

I thought one of the parasols might be a fairer reward. Cute enough to make people try it, but not that important if you don't win

Yeah the lottery system is why it'd be unfair. Say all 8 posted the pic and only one of them got picked

[gaunt star]

if we couldnt use mods id be sad

cause i dont like feast uwu

[torpid yoke]

feast players would complain

[pine epoch]

I mean the new Player Community reward this time is going to be a parasol. Cloud Hair has been demoted to the uh I forget the term. while the parasol is top 10 or 100 winners.

[teal geyser]

I do not care

[torpid yoke]

even though its mostly people that rank on multipel characters

[pine epoch]

My wish is for old season rewards to be cycled back into 14 as Wolf Mark rewards

Like max cost. rewards

[teal geyser]

Right, just make it at the very least a decently lengthed exclusive

[torpid yoke]

Purple looks better though

bruh the season one armor

[dim sigil]

Im sure people will bitch to no end if any feast stuff gets added elsewhere

[pine epoch]

what i want to return is the Hellhound mounts. there was 4 of them 2 hell 2 fae. the 2 hellhounds were red and blue. the 2 Fae hounds were green and purple.

and I HATE the fact they wasted the hellhounds on PVP.

[viscid monolith]

I sure do love that they put nice things behind this dogshit mode no one plays

Apparently more people clear Ultimate than participate in Feast

[pine epoch]

https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/h/C/0CFxOYdIar6I5f-U62YPfdChLM.png

LOOK AT IT! LOOK AT THAT GOOD BOY

[torpid yoke]

feast is actually fun

[pine epoch]

https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/h/7/Dj0xh0bD7nutTcXhva4onUB5o0.png

https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/h/z/k4-SoiU4T2WHNUGJnyTRwfFw7k.png

[teal geyser]

8v8 > 4v4

[pine epoch]

https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/lds/h/G/PQObxnIW2HFZBceyqkBihkluOA.png

[torpid yoke]

yeaaaaa

why did they remove 8v8 anyways

[wet crown]

last time I tried pvp was before the combat revamp

[teal geyser]

Because they suck at making good PvP Rymi

[torpid yoke]

rival wings is good

[pine epoch]

I never liked wow like MMO PVP

[torpid yoke]

just......alot to learn

[teal geyser]

EXCEPT Wings and Gorge yeah, that is some dank ass shit

[torpid yoke]

TOO BAD THEY DONT SUPPORT IT MORE

[pine epoch]

Rival Wings is fun cause mechs. But at the same time. theres no roulette for rival wings so after moogle tomes ends no one does it

[teal geyser]

RIGHT!? WINGS NEEDS ITS OWN FUCKING ROULETTE

[torpid yoke]

MAKE A ROULETTE FOR RIVAL WINGS DAMNIT

[pine epoch]

bring back the old map for rival wings and make a roulette

[teal geyser]

Seriously SE hire me, I'll get PvP popular

[pine epoch]

Yes I know the old map had that stupid High Ground thus making it to where the person who holds the high ground wins

[torpid yoke]

also Please. NO MORE 24 AND 48 PVP MODES PLEASE

except if its rival wings since it works there

[strange wing]

What about Blitzball leagues?

[carmine basin]

That's an interesting level cap there...

[strange wing]

I wanna make a team called the DARKSIDE COWBOYS

[forest magnet]

levels are most likely stored as 8 bit integers, nothing special

[torpid yoke]

Know what fck the feast community. Give the old shit in main game for everyone else

[forest magnet]

feast "community"

[torpid yoke]

I Participating in rankings last season and like a lot of them rank on multiple characters on the same dc

[strange wing]

I should try Rival Wings sometime. Frontlines is super terrible.

[torpid yoke]

screw em >:/

[carmine basin]

Is ranking not hard then? Tho I'm aware this also depends on the server/DC I guess

[pine epoch]

There is sortof a meta tactic that results in quick wins against the Early tiers

[forest magnet]

Rival Wings is my favorite pvp mode

[torpid yoke]

Its hard since feasts match making can be poop sometimes

[carmine basin]

Also i don't think they'd make old feast reward available because that would demotivate people to do it further because they can just wait for the reward to be available instead of actually playing

[torpid yoke]

at this point they could give the hell hound and fae hound mounts. Just make it expensive

(or out it in unreal mount list)

[spiral mica]

if they put hellhound gear in anyhting that isnt PvP, I would do that thing

[pine epoch]

the small scale pvp mode their making, if it succeeds I wonder if they will phase out Feast in favor of it.

or run both

[torpid yoke]

probably phase it out

if and it doesnt succeed they'll phase that out like rival wings

[spiral mica]

why are they so intent of pvp tho?

nobody plays it or likes it

[pine epoch]

because even tho its not to our taste. There are people out there that like it.

Square dev team wants to support every kind of content in 14. Not at once tho. but over time.

[carmine basin]

There's at least one big discord that is dedicated to pvp

Whatever content you think people aren't doing in XIV, there are actually people who do them

[pine epoch]

Its why square didn't do a about face when people got mad about blue mage, because there is a crowd, a market that love it. Im one of them

[spiral mica]

it must be a small percentage of the community. because queues take forever for anyhting that isnt frontlines. which can still take a while, and is very trash

[pine epoch]

Feast, most of the ranked Feast happens in the first few days

and then unless your position at the top is threatened they don't have to worry about it.

[torpid yoke]

yea but blue mage is great......now....

took them a bit to be great but they are great

[torpid yoke]

you have to queue at the right times for one

[viscid monolith]

The game's worst weakness tbh

[open verge]

Rival wings is great

I hope the new pvp mode is 1v1 teams

[torpid yoke]

Feast? Thats correct

[open verge]

3 teams is so fucking bad

[torpid yoke]

so old 8v8 feast?

or even current 4v4 feast?

[open verge]

Depends on what their going for

[misty yoke]

0v0 feast

[viscid monolith]

No I mean wanting to appeal to everyone and making shitty watered down game modes

[open verge]

They said they want it be accessible so that screams to me it’s gonna be 4v4

It needs to have a good reward system that isn’t just a mount and they confirmed that but I don’t know what that means

[carmine basin]

Yeah trying to make everyone happy is both good and bad for them lol

[open verge]

“Something players have been asking for a long time”

Vague ass reward but I hope it’s good

[torpid yoke]

8v8 would be better

[unreal rivet]

so where do we actually get the gestahl painting?

[open verge]

8 v 8 feast was a clown fiesta

[misty yoke]

Be funny if they make a relic series tied to pvp

[open verge]

Bro making pvp the alternative to getting a relic would be smart af...

[torpid yoke]

Its why current combat and jobs (cough healers and tanks) are the way they are so i guess

[teal geyser]

...My God, I can imagine the salt

[open verge]

But then it would get filled with lazy people not even trying so

[misty yoke]

On one hand

[open verge]

Problem with putting cool rewards in pvp is players get lazy and afk all match

[misty yoke]

I dont have to run dun scaith

[torpid yoke]

You cant tell me you wouldnt enjoy watching the salt

[tiny wind]

was the moon in amh araeng always squashed

[teal geyser]

Now I never said that

[misty yoke]

The other hand. Many tears will fall

[torpid yoke]

[open verge]

Fuck feast players
They complain about feast getting 0 love but also don’t want features that would bring players into feast lol

[torpid yoke]

features like wa

[open verge]

A better reward structure lol

[carmine basin]

People are guessing maps or subs, have to wait for ppl to report

[torpid yoke]

better structure like wa

[unreal rivet]

ah I see. Hope we find out soon

[carmine basin]

Btw I think this is turning to #rants lol

[serene crest]

Ngl I suffered through Danshig Naadam for a couple weeks to get some of those rewards. I am hopeful for the new mode though.

[pine epoch]

according to garlandtools the ghestal painting isn't in the game

[torpid yoke]

im being serious when i ask because they have two reward systems

[misty yoke]

i forgot pvp existed

[carmine basin]

It's in preview Xel

[rain onyx]

It can still be from treasure maps or the fete presents

[carmine basin]

If it's on preview, it's in the game

[rain onyx]

Garland doesn’t do a good job of if it comes from an item with RNG

[pine epoch]

Garlandtools list its in the game, but no source.

[carmine basin]

They do that for other things too

[pine epoch]

well I more so go to gamerescape through garlandtools

[rain onyx]

Yeah it shows enchanted elm lumber as a sourceless item but it’s from the last room or two of SHB treasure maps

[carmine basin]

Also subs take time to return, it took a while for last sub housing item to get reported bc ppl had to wait for their subs to be back

[eager fox]

AYA

[carmine basin]

So does maps. The gobbue lamp got reported days later when someone finally got it on their loot list

TEDDY

[spiral mica]

i do frontlines for the wolf marks and xp on dps classes im lvling

[eager fox]

It would be interesting if the painting is from subs

[spiral mica]

but its garbage, and i dont really give a single fuck about the outcome

[torpid yoke]

frontlines is garbo

replace its roulette with rival wings

[random ravine]

why is that? and why is rival wings better?

[torpid yoke]

its more fun

[pine epoch]

GIANT MECHS

all arguments are invalid

[strange wing]

Giant mech?

[misty yoke]

Werlyt

[torpid yoke]

it had player piloted mechs before werlyt even lived

[misty yoke]

Now thats a lie the g-warrior instance

[torpid yoke]

thats still after rival wings came out

[dim sigil]

Rival wings is actually good

[serene crest]

The first version of Rival Wings came in early Stormblood. 4.1 I think? And, yeah, you can pilot Cruise Chaser, Oppressor, and Brute Justice from the Alexander raids as pilotable mechs for both teams.

[dim sigil]

It's a shame people often don't play properly or at all

Or especially like if you call out that you're going to be the mech guy for this round you know how go use them and random teammates just take it anyway and fuck it all up

[forest magnet]

people used oppressor on people 🤢

My theory is that it seems like Fandaniel is using the towers to create Primals that obey Garlemald, and he sends them all to Carteneau/Mor Dhona area (Alphinaud's quote at the beginning of the trailer). We know there's something important there which is why Hydaelyn told Middy to watch over it. It's most likely related to bringing back the Final Days. Something happens and glowy person aka venat shows up.

[gaunt star]

[lusty coral]

mhm!

[dim sigil]

I was thinking its all to create the you know what fandan mentioned

[rough kestrel]

I didnt get this answered in Lore even though it was 5.4 but what the fuck does Telophoroi mean and why does EVERYBODY in the story know and understand it's meaning, even though FannyDan only mentioned it once during a speech (And honestly his usage of it seemed like a synonym rather than an actual term, so I didnt think much of it.)

[torpid yoke]

bringers of the end iirc

[rough kestrel]

But when is that shit explained and why is it now accepted among the scions as a known thing.

[teal geyser]

Could one say they are...walkers of the end?

[teal geyser]

Why would the Scions not accept the Telophoroi as a known thing?

[placid sail]

I figured the Telophoroi were just the Eorzean equivalent of the Teletubbies

[rough kestrel]

Because he throws it out once while ranting, that isn't enough to go "Oh I see, we're dealing with the Telophoroi, THAT TELOPHOROI". You go "We're dealing with a rogue Ascian speeding shit along"

Who are they? What are they? Why do we just assume that term is an actual name of a group or some such, why arent we asking where the fuck the name came from, None of the unsundered have talked about this and they would know more than Fanny.

[mighty light]

It's literally just Fandaniel's cult
That's it

You're overthinking it

[rough kestrel]

That's fine but the way it comes up is very strange to me.

[distant sonnet]

So.. where is the tempest, anyway? If we had to put it on a map of the source, assuming a roughly the same layout between worlds.

[teal geyser]

!faq worldmap

[serene crest]

Raubahn and Lyse were there. Makes sense that they would relay what they saw to other Alliance leaders.

[lusty shadow]

Hydaelyn world map translated by Rommy 🌎

Image URL: https://i.imgur.com/JTbvskE.jpg

[rough kestrel]

Near Limsa I think someone figured out

[clever flume]

iirc tempest is basically where the indigo deep is

[teal geyser]

^

[distant sonnet]

Because like.. we found the actual ass ruins down there, too.

[teal geyser]

In fact we can see it here

[distant sonnet]

Shouldn't there be remnants of Amaurot on the source too?

[clever flume]

there should

[teal geyser]

Assuming the calamities and stuff didn't destroy them

[clever flume]

but good chance most of them are destroyed due to the calamities

[mighty light]

There may still be pieces there, but they probably won't be more useful than what's on the First.

[distant sonnet]

I dunno. The water would insulate them fairly well, I'd think. Maybe the quake one, but..

[rough kestrel]

A. We have no way down to the bottom of the ocean.
B. Hydaelyn has been ravaged like 7 times by huge events so I think we assume they're long gone.

Either buried or washed away

[teal geyser]

We can breath underwater dw we got this

[wind bough]

The Sahagin of the Indigo Deep are known to live in an underwater city. Perhaps it’s in the ruins.

[distant sonnet]

The calamities are fairly localized, after all.

[mighty light]

We can probably get down there fairly easy

[clever flume]

its possible in the future we might go to the indigo deep, maybe try to fix things with the sahagin

[teal geyser]

Certainly possible

[mighty light]

Just get Cid to build a submarine

[distant sonnet]

The earth calamity is about the only one I'd think woulda touched it.

[rough kestrel]

I bet the most we'll get is a copy paste of the building we see near Ondo Cups and thats it.

[mighty light]

Like don't think he wouldn't do it

[clever flume]

water calamity would've also possible done dmg to the ruins?

[rough kestrel]

Flooding the world would have mixed up the depths

[distant sonnet]

Water calamity was like, a flood on the land.

[rough kestrel]

Because I assume currents and tides and shit get dramatically wild or change as the ocean grows.

[teal geyser]

^ it's entirely possible it had more effects than just "flood"

Also the lightning calamity probably could have done shit?

[mighty light]

There was also an ice age
Ice ages notorious for fucking up the ocean

[distant sonnet]

Nah lightning wouldn't do shit to something in the depths of salt water.

[teal geyser]

Actually it would, the calamity involved a fuck ton of volcanos going off and ash darkening the skies for like, an entire year, all that volcanic activity on the ocean floor and ash collection in the waters could very well do shit

[serene crest]

Saying nothing of the fourth calamity. The earthquake was felt as far as the other end of Ilsabard. Who knows what it did to the sea floor.

[rough kestrel]

I don't doubt, at some point we'll see like, the corner of a familiar building, but I don't think we'll find anything useful unless the City's location is ground zero of the sundering (But I like the idea that Silvertear is that)

[distant sonnet]

Ahh. Now volcanos.. is a different story. I was thinking more of the like, metal as hell year of thunderstorms.

[teal geyser]

I mean, that's one and the same

[mighty light]

The fire calamity was a drought, wasn't it

[teal geyser]

"The sun drew close and scorched everything" and yeah drought

[mighty light]

Sun's like "sup"

[stuck yarrow]

Y'ALL I GOT THE HEALER CHEST AND BOTH HAIRS

[mighty light]

"How's it going"
"Good, it does not seem like"

[viscid monolith]

Wouldn't that require destroying another ecosystem

[teal geyser]

I mean, some of the scions can just breath under water it's fiiine

[rough kestrel]

When are we getting the revelation that there's a primal in The Sun that is even older than Hydaelyn.

[mighty light]

Just give me a submarine you cowards

[teal geyser]

Also just make some sort of magitek scuba gear

[distant sonnet]

Ehh it'll be fine. We just need a ride to the entrance of another ayander.

[clever flume]

not necessarily. we could find ways to make our way safely under the ocean

even tho we as the player have a safe means of it

[rough kestrel]

Every spherical celestial object related to Eorzea has had a fucking entity in it, Hydaelyn herself, Zodiark in the moon, Bahamut in Dalamud. Who is in the sun

[distant sonnet]

And that, too. The scions swam back up, we can just swim down again. We even have water mounts. Heh

[brisk quail]

you see... we augmented the aether seeing masks into infinite rebreathers

[distant sonnet]

Nonsense, suns a portal elsewhere or something~

[viscid monolith]

Also they don't go over this but the entirety of the Tempest is doomed. All of the sapient inhabitants need to get the fuck out of there.

[distant sonnet]

Hopefully the air filters out slowly.

[teal geyser]

Tempest is fiiiine

[distant sonnet]

Rather than in a crushing hellstorm

[teal geyser]

I...didn't think about this

[viscid monolith]

It's going to be 10 billion tons of water crashing down from every direction

[teal geyser]

I'm sure it's fine...not like the Ondo died with the air being introduced

[mighty light]

Me
I am in the sun

[rough kestrel]

Meanwhile in Ondo Cups

Local map party: Whats that noise approaching us?

[viscid monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/deep-impact-epic-francis-tidal-wave-gif-12758560

[torpid yoke]

oh apperently the pre-order earrings are in the game already?

[viscid monolith]

Basically this minus the fat guy

[rough kestrel]

Vaulthry

[clever flume]

so they do appear

[torpid yoke]

and its quite fiting for end walkers

(if it is true)

[mighty light]

It's the entire moon, right?

[slate badger]

earrings with a moon motif

[torpid yoke]

|| Menphinas earrings||

[rough kestrel]

It'd be kind of cool if Mt. Gulg gets a hard mode once it collapses.

[rough kestrel]

I kind of miss them adding mirror dungeons with different lore/aesthetic changes

[slate badger]

it won't collapse for like a hundred years is what i though

[torpid yoke]

i dont personally. More resources and time to put it else where

[slate badger]

better idea: revamp the idea of dungeons entirely

dungeons in their current form are barely worth doing more than once or twice and then as part of roulettes just because 'you have to for your dailies'

[mighty light]

Or to level

[weary quiver]

||why is zenos worried about not being able to control more dragons?||

^ msq

[mighty light]

You don't need to spoiler block it in here

[rough kestrel]

Dont spoiler tag shit here

If people click this channel they have to take responsibility.

[weary quiver]

i did what i did

[rough kestrel]

As for why Zenos is annoyed about the dragons, I actually dont know, I dont know why he cares

Wouldnt it just mean we're on our way?

[mighty light]

Responsibility isn't the issue; if it was I wouldn't care. The issue is that this is already the channel for 5.5 stuff, and spoiler blocks fuck with screen readers.

Dragons are a good resource and Fandaniel (in Zenos' eyes) appears to have just wasted them in a way that didn't make the hunt any better.

[teal geyser]

No, spoiler tag if you want smh

You can just deal with it Virtus

[pine epoch]

Fun fact the building that is thrown at us in the tower raid is actually the square enix office

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/271053613093093379/832402592066961408/SPOILER_Ey6m3zdXMAAo1X0.png

[weary quiver]

thank you 🙂

[rain onyx]

I hate that so much because I fucking joked about it to my FC

[weary quiver]

i hope he doesn't think that he'll need them to fly to the moon

[rough kestrel]

Dont make me click shit, just save yourself th effort of typing 4 lines. Win/win

[rain onyx]

And then it became real because my shitposting was gifted the power of prophecy

[weary quiver]

since apparently elder dragons can fly in space

[severe brook]

i was actually curious about which building it was in particular, because this is their HQ

[rough kestrel]

There was once a building that looked like the Nier one though

[stiff charm]

i swear if it looked like that when drakengard was released

[severe brook]

i wouldn't be surprised if that was the case, just looking for any photos

[dim sigil]

For the dragons someone said somthing like

It's not often he gets invested and he really wanted Lunar Bahamut to make an impression on us and Tiamat went and ruined it.

[severe brook]

yeah, i think zenos' frustration is going to be what motivates him to make things more personal since LB didn't work out as planned

[rough kestrel]

https://lparchive.org/Drakengard-3/Update 46/1-cathedral_(12).jpg
The end of the raid does remind me a whole lot of D3's city

[slate badger]

that's exactly what it was supposed to be

[dim sigil]

It felt like they reused the hades arena

[rough kestrel]

One solid Caim reference would have been nice too.

The hero Final Fantasy needs.

[gaunt star]

Is that Asahi on a sunday

[iron scaffold]

It's fun and games with murdering until your face with someone you can't kill because he/she is already dead and they are there to drag your serial killer ass to the deepest part of hell boy body and soul.

[visual spade]

That is outstanding

[iron scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/dragged-dragging-pulled-in-screaming-terrified-gif-13447689

[gaunt star]

https://tenor.com/view/yshtola-rhul-final-fantasy-final-fantasy-xiv-ff14-ffxiv-gif-15553902

[obsidian osprey]

man

should i skip these nier cutscenes. I just want the alliance unlocked. This story doesnt intrigue me man.

[wintry vault]

then skip em

they dont matter to you, i did the exact same thing cos screw em

why would i care about the post story to a game that i've never played, whose lore i don't understand

[obsidian osprey]

alright. I wanted to bring that up here to see if anyone else did. Cuz fr fr i just want the clothes

Exactly. Plus its just run around with Konogg like wtf. Just let me get to the raid already or make this interesting

i just came out of sorrows of werrlyt to this rip

[wintry vault]

yeah legitimately, i don't care about it. it feels like they felt they didnt have enough to do with lalafells this xpac so they threw it where they did, tho, as i said, i watched only a few cutscenes here and there and it was lalafell related

[obsidian osprey]

lol yea but yeah ill skip it. Dont wanna waste time

[viscid monolith]

I need help with a line Graha says that I can't parse

[wind bough]

The stuff with the dwarves is the best part of the story tbh

But also. It only really starts taking the dwarves seriously after the second raid. So :\

Kinda messy story

[viscid monolith]

!lsearch pre-tempered

[lusty shadow]

Error!

No lore found for pre-tempered Kupo!

[viscid monolith]

Oh I guess new dialogue won't be available for a while

[cinder badger]

Kaine's Salvation!

[wind bough]

If it's voiced dialogue than it's not in xivapi

When was the line?

[visual spade]

The story doesn't really concern nier lore much at all

[viscid monolith]

He says

"Could it be that the process of restoring her soul to its pre-tempered state is awakening ancient memories? Or might the opposite be true?"

What is the opposite I don't understand.

[visual spade]

In fact, having played both Nier games, the content references Drakengard stuff a fair bit more. the story for the raids concerns the Dwarves

And I just can't respect you if you don't like the Dwarves. 😦

[wind bough]

The opposite would be the other way around, that awakening memories is helping restore her soul to its pre-tempered state.

[cinder badger]

I rolled a 99 on the battle-ready Bob's

[wind bough]

Which is what we then proceed to do by asking her to tell us stories of her past

[viscid monolith]

Oh I was way overthinking that thank you

Wait IS THAT BAHAMUT

[wary perch]

So does this mean those sundered ascian have their memories altered too?

[visual spade]

I don't fully understand the difference between a sundered and unsundered Ascian

[wary perch]

We know laha go but case and elidibus forget his origin purpose but emet didn't look like it though

[slate badger]

personal experience tells me this means you should have gotten beaten out by someone rolling 100

[wind bough]

The unsundered are full-powered ancients and are the same continuous people from back then. The sundered are shards of people who bear a fragment of the original soul of a convocation member, who have had their memories restored by the three unsundered.

[wary perch]

@viscid monolith no that just tiamat unless original bahamut had same face as tiamat lol

[tulip geyser]

Emet was careful to try and keep his memories, living his mortal lives one at a time and studying his crystal now and then

[viscid monolith]

Also wow dragons settled on Merycidia before the second astral era. I didn't think they were here for that long.

[cinder badger]

@slate badger nope I won

[viscid monolith]

Ya the side profile confused me

[slate badger]

i'm just salting from the times i rolled 98 and got beaten out by a 99

[visual spade]

So Ascians can possess multiple bodies at once?

[wary perch]

@viscid monolith I think the story low key reference ff1 too lol

[tulip geyser]

I mean that he didnt body switch like laha so much, and rested between lives as himself.

The short story implies that the person they possess kinda sticks in their psyche for a bit, so its no wonder Lahabrea lost it

[visual spade]

Yeah, I'd go crazy if I had Thancred in my mind

[wary perch]

More like they have access to the host memories

And those memories get mixed up with their own

[cinder badger]

Why does everything from every other SE world want to destroy FFXIVs world?

[visual spade]

Jealousy

[wintry vault]

shrug, didn't watch the cutscenes

[visual spade]

Its better than the Ivalice stuff at least 😄

[dim sigil]

Hol up thats objectively false

[wintry vault]

didn't watch those either

[visual spade]

Ivalice characters were lame and I was constantly confused about what was going on.

[dim sigil]

It may be boring but at least it had and everything makes sense

Neir doesnt even have a story

[visual spade]

Ramza is a huge asshole

[visual spade]

The story is that whatever you think you're doing is probably the wrong thing

(that's the story of all Yoko Taro games)

[wintry vault]

making people go through content with a full storyline to progress your relic is a dumb idea and makes no one pay attention to it

[visual spade]

I mean, it's a story-driven game, it'd be weird not to have story elements for major content pieces.

[wintry vault]

particularly old content that is tangentially related to current content solely by proxy of location and tangents from the story you're following

[visual spade]

And you can't tell me the Void Ark quests with the sky pirates wasnt' dope

[wintry vault]

yes, but going through 5+hrs worth of story content before you can progress your relic quests, which are current xpac content, not stuff from last xpac, is dumb

[visual spade]

I never did the relic quests

[dim sigil]

I guess partly because I did it when it was new and also I don't understand the mmo mind set of whats the point if it's old

[wintry vault]

side quests, to add to that. honestly they're better off doing their own quests at the start of that vs going "oh it's related to this very long quest chain that includes 3 alliance raids" but i guess shb was meant to be the xpac that brought everything back, considering they made crystal tower mandatory and this as close to mandatory as it can be

[proper frigate]

Someone's mad they had to do content

[dim sigil]

It was really starting to be a plot hole if Crystal Tower wasn't done by that point

[viscid monolith]

I jist realized Estinein is a lancer

[wintry vault]

not... really considering i did it 8 months ago but sure

[visual spade]

I'm glad I did CT while it was current

[viscid monolith]

The archetypal lancer.

[visual spade]

Even if I'd forgotten about ole G'raha

[wind bough]

In 5.3 you literally enter the Crystal Tower to get G'raha so at that point it makes no sense if you haven't done CT

[wintry vault]

it's just dumb they make it mandatory for people, when it's 5hrs of story for a tangentialv reference

yes, kinda mentioned that in my post

[viscid monolith]

It's not tangential. It's the entire basis for the story of the expansion.

[wind bough]

yeah tbh

[viscid monolith]

Without CT the expansion cannot happen

[wintry vault]

what, im talking about ivalice

[viscid monolith]

Oh

[wind bough]

Ivalice--Bozja is also literally the continuation of the story

Also they're bending over backwards for Matsuno

[dim sigil]

Imagine if wol canonicaly did ct in like 5.2 or somthing cant tell gra ga what we know

[viscid monolith]

The technology they find in Goug is what gives the boost the 4th Legion needs to even wage this war

[obsidian pagoda]

When your director is the biggest matsuno fanboy it's only a matter of time

[strange wing]

Ooo, any more relic leaks?

[gaunt star]

It’s not clear what this is. For all we know it could be zenos’s new weapon

[strange wing]

If Zenos becomes a gunbreaker I will die of laughter

[wind bough]

Imagine Zenos walking around in the dumb shoulder stance

[dim sigil]

Just one random weapon from gun breaker

[strange wing]

Also, I dislike everything about this hilt. Which is most gunbladea honestly

[viscid monolith]

I haaaaate GNB's stance so much

[dim sigil]

The one thing sticking out kinda ruins it

[visual spade]

If it gives us a Vagrant Story HD remake, I'm all for it

[wary perch]

I think Yoshi bending over for matsuno is because he want matsuno to write xvi story

[stiff charm]

bending over thats why yoshi only wanted male hrothgar

[prisma vine]

I'll actually ask over here, so I always thought the amalj'aa had a horn on their head but the healer gear/some other dungeon gear this patch has those 'horns' on it. Does that mean it's not actually a horn?

[cinder badger]

So were Konagg and Anogg supposed to represent Popola and Devola?

[wary perch]

No

[forest magnet]

i wasn't too jazzed about matsuno's writing in xiv

[tight marlin]

i thought it was said that Tiamat could break out whenever, but chooses not to?

[forest magnet]

yeah i was wondering about that too

[tight marlin]

unless fanny danny reinforced the shackles or tiamat grew too depressed to bother trying

[prisma vine]

i figured the latter

[tulip geyser]

Probably the latter yeah. Depression makes you pretty sluggy with everything

[cinder badger]

Especially if it's crippling depression

[torpid yoke]

facts

[cinder badger]

Like idubbbz

[tight marlin]

ye its probably likely that being locked up for so long while being sad for thousands of years will probably make tiamat too tired to even do anything

[cinder badger]

Hey the 2B haircut works well for a black mage

[tight marlin]

probably could have broken out while the events of her restraining were fresh

[cinder badger]

It covers one eye thus amplifying my art of Destruction

[forest magnet]

1.0 BLM lore actually had something more morbid for explaining the eyepatch: Black Mages would remove their eyeball and socket a materia in its stead
Which means we now know that materia is about the same size as eyeballs.

[mighty light]

I wanna do that, in-game

[cinder badger]

When was that explained

[dim sigil]

Prob been retconned

[forest magnet]

somewhere in the BLM job quest in 1.0

[cinder badger]

1.x blm questline was pretty much the same as it is now

[forest magnet]

Oh! Did you know that the one song used in Little Ladies Day event (where you get the glowsticks) was actually first used in the BSM class quest?

[dawn basin]

ok so i had to get thiss off a YT vid because I was too far in my throws of WTF to take a screenshot but

WHAT THE EVER LOVING F U C K?

[forest magnet]

it's from nier

[cinder badger]

Nier was a guy

[dawn basin]

That is a smile of NIGHTMARES

https://tenor.com/view/hiding-spooked-sad-crying-cold-gif-15759512

[forest magnet]

well im just happy they didn't do something with the pregnant dwarf wife...

[mighty light]

Anyone know if 1.0/1.X dialogue is available anywhere

[dim sigil]

YouTube

[forest magnet]

unlike the current client 1.X does not store dialogue client side

because u know spaghetti code from a small indie company

[cinder badger]

The red girl is the ego of the machine Network

[mighty light]

"Swear your flesh and blood to the order, and your soul to our cause" oof

[forest magnet]

||https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/831073774660354128/832345830177767534/image0.jpg||

[dawn basin]

Yep. I did say I was too thrown off by that smile to properly screenshot it. so this was the next best thing

[wind bough]

This is not canon!!!!!!!!!!!!

[tulip geyser]

That little jumpscare before the hacking minigame lol

[wind bough]

Haven't seen that one around in awhile, lol. But it's never been a thing ingame, it was made up by roleplayers.

[mighty light]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iffL9jzoMlo
Found a video

[mighty light]

God damn it I was hoping so hard

[wind bough]

It's one of those famous false lore claims that FFWiki kept around for ages.

[forest magnet]

god fucking damnit lmao

[cinder badger]

So instead of just a Final Fantasy XIV and nier automata crossover....
We wound up with FFXIV/Neir/Neir:A/Drakkengard

[teal geyser]

Pfft what else do you do? Keep the eyepatch to protect against gaze attacks voidsent often employ? Don't be absurd /s

[crystal arrow]

yes? drakengard is integral to nier lmfao

i don't understand that complaint

[forest magnet]

It's like how the Event Horizon movie is now Warhammer 40k canon.

[tropic frigate]

maybe she also thought she could break out but never tried before and realized she couldnt

[crystal arrow]

?? that's a fan thing, drakengard is literally a prequel to nier, you can't have nier w/o drakengard

[wind bough]

I think in 1.0 the idea behind the eyepatch may have been to play into the whole duality lore that THM/BLM had, with the two polarities, the two halves of Nald'thal, etc. But as of the lorebook it's the thing Cal said--apparently it protects against voidsent somehow (even though one of your eyes is still open so ??? sure I guess)

[tight marlin]

i mean that could also work. it feels a bit off that when last we saw her she was like "yeah yeah i could but im too sad so hell no"

[teal geyser]

Yeah I never really understood it myself, I get less cone of vision means it's easier to turn what you do have away? idk

[mighty light]

Oh wow, I'llofii just straight up saying "you're gonna have to die lol"

[forest magnet]

but now black mages don't even use void magic...?

[tropic frigate]

damn we found a cure for depression

[mighty light]

Thaumaturges still spend a lot of time fighting Voidsent.

[teal geyser]

Black magic and void magic is still pretty fucking related

[cinder badger]

So all the dialogue For THM im 1.0 was made for the ORIGINAL THM

[mighty light]

They don't have all those books on them for no reason.

[wind bough]

Most BLM AF gear is ancient Mhachi stuff

[crystal arrow]

cough nyelbert cough

[cinder badger]

You know the one that was about life and death and had spells reflecting on that like the ability to sacrifice your own health to heal others

[mighty light]

I mean. The Order of Nald'thal is still a thing.

[cinder badger]

They had no Elemental spells because that was Conjury. Instead they had Scourge and Dia

[viscid monolith]

So we all agree that LB isn't gone for good right

[mighty light]

What do you mean by LB

[viscid monolith]

Bahamut

[wind bough]

Limit break? The Lavender Beds?

[mighty light]

Oh
IDK? Maybe?

[dim sigil]

Lb's dead

[wind bough]

Oh. Nah I reckon he's gone. He just served to introduce the concept.

[forest magnet]

why not? it was acknowledged by Zenos and Fanny that it's gone.

[viscid monolith]

Well we didn't destroy the tower that created him

[wind bough]

Fandaniel even comments to Zenos how they probably won't be able to enslave any more Meracydian dragons to resummon him now that Tiamat's on the case.

[forest magnet]

^

[viscid monolith]

Unless Tiamat blows it up off screen

[teal geyser]

Which like....do the tempered just die?

Are they just not reuseable?

[mighty light]

Does seem like they sort of just
Suck all of the aether out of them
Those Amalj'aa definitely looked dead

[forest magnet]

Probably, they were sacrificed to summon Lunar Bahamut in the first place

[cinder badger]

There is going to be a huge War at the climax of the story and not just Tiamat should be there

[wind bough]

I assume Tiamat can destroy the tower without much trouble.

[viscid monolith]

Ya unless the act of forcing them to summon kills the prisoners I don't see why Fandaniel wouldn't just bring it back immediately

[torpid yoke]

Just lift up the patch while the other eye recovers. Duhhhh

[cinder badger]

I expect to see the father of all dragons coming to kick some ass

[teal geyser]

I was going to say how'd she find them but dragons are bullshit like that

[mighty light]

And we know performing blood sacrifices to summon a Primal is (supposed to) make the summoned Primal much stronger

If Midgardsomr wakes up in Endwalkers it'll probably be to die

[forest magnet]

Omega is now required content woooooo

Larboard/Starboard shenanigans ensue.

[mighty light]

It took him longer to recover than it did the Ironworks to both work out how to open the CT and then work out how to send it back in time, after they recovered from the calamity; if he wakes up and just starts shooting fire everywhere without any apparent weakness, then, like
Why

[viscid monolith]

Ya it wouldn't make sense

[wind bough]

It also just seemed like nothing was sufficient to wake him up until then

[mighty light]

Yeah
And even in his relatively lucid state he only just barely had enough strength to stop Omega from murdering us, one time

[wind bough]

Black Rose Calamity didn't do it but CT disappearing did 😔

[viscid monolith]

Has Fordola always had yellow highlights

[mighty light]

Think so?

[wind bough]

yep

[cinder spindle]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FOR NIER RAIDS WE GET A TIGHTS FOR TANKS

[cinder badger]

@cinder spindle who cares about that we get Popopla/Devola outfit for magic

[cinder spindle]

i kno

but im just happy that we get tights that we don't have to pay for.

[cinder badger]

And 2b hair

To go with your 2b outfit

[heady shadow]

shame 9S hair looks hoorid

[cinder badger]

Now everybody can be 2B

Interesting how they threw in Nier G/R and Drakkengard at the end too

[rough kestrel]

They kind of have to

[cinder badger]

But where was Emil? Instant fail

[rough kestrel]

I'm honestly shocked we didnt see him, there's a stray robot head that has moved around throughout the cave over the course of the raid.

And some people were like "Dude its gonna split open and be Emil"

But nothing has come of that

[cinder badger]

Maybe we'll see something about it as we continue doing this weekly thing where we help rebuild that Dwarf Village

[tulip geyser]

Yeah the weekly thing is suspicious

[wary perch]

https://imgur.com/kTvVkjv

[rough kestrel]

I dont know if it is a full rebuild, I think it's more about filling in the gaps, at some point we have to find Konogg

[dim sigil]

God damnit ofc we ride on top of it

[cinder badger]

Or maybe he'll come back

[viscid monolith]

Pippin didn't get a line

[tight marlin]

u know i just had this funny thought of like....when Tiamat is freed, and Estinien is like "lets go tiamat"
and then estinien tries to jump on tiamat's back but tiamat leaves him, and estinien falls to his death because Dragoons dont have fall damage immunity

[crystal arrow]

shit better be a multiseater

[open verge]

Pipin and papashan had no lines sad

[tulip geyser]

Maybe 5.55

[cinder badger]

@open verge is Papashan un retired

[teal geyser]

I mean, he's always been a weird quasi retired where he is officially retired but still does shit for Nanamo all the time

[heady shadow]

you know.
someone pointed out in this other discord i am in that Anogg and Konogg could be the 'fill in'' for Popola and Devola

[teal geyser]

Except there was no no stopping

[wind bough]

They are redheads

[heady shadow]

just in the sense that the village mostly hated thenm

and they were outcasts or something iirc

[clever flume]

basically papashan is like raubahn in that he cares about nanamo, so he busts out the gear whenever necessary

[rough kestrel]

Simpbahn

[cinder badger]

Yeah but in nier automata a lot of people don't understand why the other Androids hate Popola and Devola unless they pay attention to every little detail or have played Gestalt or replicant

[heady shadow]

theres that too

[cinder badger]

The twins you see in automata are not the same ones you see in replicant

[heady shadow]

yeah they are only one of many others anyway

since well in the first nier ||they blow up yeah||

[cinder badger]

Other Androids were programmed to hate the model because of the ultimate failure of one pair

Or actually let me backup it wasn't so much other Androids were programmed to hate them it was that all the other models were programmed to feel guilt for letting down Humanity even though they were not the ones directly involved

[wary perch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/674936576131858442/832126044693463110/1618464690419.gif

[heady shadow]

i dont remember correctly but was the Tokyo one(where nier takes place) the only place left that still was running gestalt?

[obsidian osprey]

HAHAHA.....but in all honesty thats basically my life lol

[wary perch]

Invincible cannot save you from the train wheck

[tulip geyser]

That happened to some poor soul that I rezzed.
I laughed and felt terrible all at once

[wind bough]

At the time of Nier there were some places in the world that had successfully reintegrated the gestalts into the replicants

[heady shadow]

ah okay

[terse bolt]

I disagree

I think the 9S hair looks fine

[cinder badger]

I thought the death of Niers Gestalt was what doomed Humanity

[heady shadow]

oh on female maybe. did you see the male au ra and male cat?

[terse bolt]

Haha yeah

Neck 4 life

[wind bough]

9S hair looks fine with a 9S cosplay or something else that covers the back of the neck

otherwise... 😬

[heady shadow]

you see i really wonder about that.
it probably doomed the rest of the project 5that had yet to intergrate

[cinder badger]

But Humanity was already long gone before the machine war.

There were no humans on the moon it was all a ploy to keep the Androids invested in the fight

So clearly Humanity cease to exist at the time of nier automata

And the blame was shifted onto the twins with every model of that make now programmed to feel guilt for the two that allowed Nier to slay his own Gestalt

[pulsar yacht]

2 seater

plays exponential entropy as music

[dim sigil]

I'm so disappointed we ride on top of it

But like I shouldn't have expected anything else

[wind bough]

that's how it works in the fight after all

[dim sigil]

Not in rival wings tho

[late aurora]

CC better turn into the jet version when you fly

If it doesn’t I’m gonna sue

[wind bough]

it does

https://imgur.com/kTvVkjv

[late aurora]

Heck yeah

[cinder badger]

"You opened the spaghetti-o's and now you gotta sniff em."

I just looked at the name for the Caster pieces on the new raid

It makes me feel sad. They deserve better, Popola and Devola

[late aurora]

They really got it bad in Automata, disgustingly so

[dim sigil]

Who are they

[random ravine]

is that the new 5.5 mount?

[wind bough]

Unknown where it's gonna be from

[dim sigil]

Currently it seems to only be in the files not in the game yet

[cinder badger]

The set is called "Obsolete Android's" set of casting

[gaunt star]

I'm betting it'll be Bozja or something

[cinder badger]

I need to find a new haircut I'm still using the Great Lengths hair style

And I'm wearing the Amal'jaa headpiece

Seriously though those dwarves are brutal

Like they were actually talking about lopping somebody's head off

[dim sigil]

Dont the two drawf clans kill each other all the time

[teal geyser]

Yes

[somber storm]

Tomra and Komra dwarves hate eachother

[dim sigil]

Not just a haha we hate each other like a real ima kill on sight hate

[vital brook]

BTW, is the Ryne attire undyeable?

[clever flume]

its a character outfit, so yes

[cinder badger]

Yeah but just listening to the Komra dwarves about finding someone to blame. They are literally talking about executing the culprit

[humble glade]

Sorrow of Werlyt spoilers
||Alphonse became the armor. Just like Full Metal Alchemist.||

[wind bough]

Yeah dwarf society is pretty fucked

[cinder badger]

@humble glade brother

[wind bough]

Happy slapstick funtimes though

[vital brook]

Beast tribe after all

[somber storm]

Ed...ward...

[vital brook]

They were about to kill some dang kids

[somber storm]

Never forget the dwarves in healer role quests

[viscid monolith]

Well the intended reference in this case is probably Evangellion

[stuck yarrow]

Wondering what glam tataru will make for us this time

[cinder badger]

Anything's better than what she made last time

That headpiece was horrible

[stiff charm]

like fma if the blood seal was actually als brain

[somber storm]

TFW you read somewhere that YoshiP gave Dad of Light a Nu Gundam for him to build while he was in hospital but didn't finish it when he passed and that the noulithe weapon is based on Nu gundam

[stuck yarrow]

You see that was a a set I liked the general idea for that just bombed the execution imo

[stiff charm]

wait tataru makes glams for wol ???

[somber storm]

Tataru gave us our scion outfits

[stuck yarrow]

The weird headpiece, the extremely busy boots, the leather top that’s designed like it’s made out of fabric

[stuck yarrow]

Also nice pfp

[mighty light]

She made the Scion Adventurer's Set and Scion Traveller's Set

[stiff charm]

i have no idea who this character is, it was forced upon me by an eboy

[somber storm]

new set called Scion Wanderer set pls

[stiff charm]

scion walker set

[stuck yarrow]

I think it’s Yoosung from mystic messenger innit?

[stiff charm]

yeah

[stuck yarrow]

Baby boy

[stiff charm]

he just told me to do it so i did, i do not question his motives

[stuck yarrow]

Your eboy has good taste

[cinder badger]

So when this story finally comes to an end and we move on to the next arc, I move that we no longer call ourselves the Scions of the Seventh Dawn

[stuck yarrow]

Take it up with Tataru, she’s the one who’ll have to do all the paperwork

[dim sigil]

We shall be S.E.E.S
Scions erzoea exploration squad

[mighty light]

Scions of the Eighth Dawn

[cinder badger]

It just wouldn't make sense anymore I mean with the Hydalyn/Zodiark story closed I think it's pretty safe to say that we prevented any future calamities from occurring

No more rejoinings

[dense kite]

Rejoin all of the realms

[stuck yarrow]

I hope that stuff they said this patch was hinting at us going to Sharlayan
I wanna meet papa leveilleur

[teal geyser]

He's a dick

[dense kite]

Solve the problem once and for all

[cinder badger]

[stiff charm]

sharlayan shall be a terncliff sized instance

[wind bough]

I'm feeling Sharlayan for city.

And I can pray for Aerslaent...

[somber storm]

Sharlayan city for tome gear

[teal geyser]

You'll get Nagyn and like it

[cinder badger]

No it's likely that we are going to Sharlayan. They are actually the last city-state left on Eorzea.

[wind bough]

They're not in Eorzea.

Sharlayan is an island (well, archipelago) far off in the north sea.

[teal geyser]

So if we go to Sharlayan does that make it the New Old World?

[rose aspen]

https://twitter.com/qestirs/status/1382904027697008647 i was in the nier raid and uh.......

lyss 🍑 @ semi-hiatus (@qestirs)

thanks yoko taro https://t.co/y0xTcDwBE0

Twitter · Apr 16, 2021, 3:49 AM

[mighty light]

Yeet

[heady shadow]

wait wut

how the fuck does that work

[rose aspen]

we killed it so the walls disappeared, but the knockback still went off

[heady shadow]

oh lol

didnt see its hp and thought it was some new enrage

[balmy mesa]

nierly had it

[tight marlin]

Krile: HEY EVERYONE, ESTINIEN IS INTO
Estinien: I GET IT I'LL COME

[stiff charm]

krilestinien

[tight marlin]

if that's a ship, it sailed on the backs of knowing estinien's kinks....probably

[teal geyser]

Estinien misses his daily Nidhogg CBT

[stiff charm]

estinien is a little spoon at the very least

[tight marlin]

tbf the behavior therapy of becoming a mandragon fusion with ala morn and 1 expansion early nastronds is tempting af

man was a level 80 at level 60 content

[stiff charm]

:(((( no new ability tease in paglth'an

[tight marlin]

Ryne/Minfilia: DO WE NOT COUNT?

[teal geyser]

directly

[tight marlin]

Hydaelyn: WELL DAMN EXCUSE ME FOR BEING TAXED, ZODIARK KEEPS SHOOTING ME

[stiff charm]

wasnt it literally like
"raise your crystal aloft"
at the end of prae

[tight marlin]

Zodiark: Guns>Boots

hydaelyn: i'd try to talk to WoL but [insert plot reason]
WoL:

[teal geyser]

That was direct but it wasn't the last time she directly talked

[tight marlin]

krile: estinien will u join us
me: hol up, you're an esteemed scholar, and estinien only knows how to beeg hogg stab
alphi:
me: mfer fine

[silk cape]

Aside, but this was the moment I felt like Krile really took over for Minfilia. And I'm glad it kinda took this long.

[tight marlin]

krile: time to visit sharlyan!
me: >does a krile related quest
krile: IM BACK BITCH

[tight marlin]

tbh its probably cuz krile for being on the back end doesnt feel like she's just hung to dry

[unreal wadi]

have you read the sidestory

of Tataru & Krile looking for Estinien in Kugane?

[wind bough]

Also the story which established Estinien being a weeb who wants to eat his fine Hingan dried squid

[tight marlin]

yes im aware that tataru and krile are aware that estinien thought of a fem beeg hogg as a human
....or was it that he always shouted the name of his attacks....

[unreal wadi]

I mean, he was asking about dried squid at the Rising Stones sooo

[tight marlin]

wow

[unreal wadi]

the irony

is that it was the tsukuyomi DRK sword

[tight marlin]

zenos showed more emotion throwing that sword than his entire upbringing

[stiff charm]

i really hope the only emotional moments zenos gets is happy tears when we beat him up

[mighty light]

He had an emotional moment this patch

Granted the emotion was "moderate irritation"

[stiff charm]

i meant like an ishikawa villain moment, instead of "remember us" or whatever he just starts crying because our duel was satisfactory or something

[mighty light]

Ah

[viscid monolith]

Wait I just realized

Alisaie got headpats meant for Alphinaud

And Alphinaud never got them back

[cinder spindle]

https://tenor.com/view/milim-milim-nava-that-time-i-got-reincarnated-as-a-slime-cute-tensura-gif-17182458

wish estinien gave my miqo'te headpats

[turbid aspen]

sorry but player spaghetti code

[tough fern]

They really figured out a way for people to feel bad for Gaius

Man....fuck the empire

[drowsy belfry]

I'm honestly really glad they addressed Gaius' switch

I was scared they were just gonna kinda leave it hanging whether or not he was fully "reformed" now

but I'm glad he's like "Man I was fucking dumb, fuck that guy, I'm good now"

[somber storm]

At least he is on our side now

[tough fern]

Yeah

[somber storm]

He now a good garlic

[tulip geyser]

Yeah they acknowledged what he did is still not ok, but Im not gonna yell at the guy for trying to turn himself around.

[tough fern]

I mean in the end he was basically manipulated by the Ascians

[somber storm]

He was played like a fiddle

[tough fern]

Brainwashed like everyone else into thinking Primals bad, conquest good

[somber storm]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-fiddle-gif-7996278

[stiff charm]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-damn-like-a-fiddle-kaz-gif-4466799

[somber storm]

SMH they didn't even give Gaius a robot arm

[rough kestrel]

I dont think it was ambiguous that Gaius was reformed

I think maybe if you cant extrapolate information, possibly it might seem ambiguous.

[glacial turret]

Can someone summarize what happened at the last nier tier?

[somber storm]

well

[rough kestrel]

Even 1.x Gaius was disagreeing with Garlemald's ways, he still had a misguided goal but it's not like what's happening now is new or unexpected for him.

He was damn sure not pleased about Nael's plan, and Nael was like "This is why you got in trouble Gaius"

[tough fern]

So...how long will it take to un-mindfuck Allie. Can't imagine they'll leave her as a broken husk

[somber storm]

just keep playing

the trial

[tough fern]

Oh nvm

[oak pike]

for some reason i feel discomfort for the story after the nier raid

[tough fern]

Thought they were gonna pull a Gabu again with the whole traumatized thing

[deft burrow]

lol

[rough kestrel]

Yeah I too like reaching conclusions mid quest.

[stuck yarrow]

It’s nice that the devola/popola tops hide some details on boots
I can finally wear some of my busier shoes

[rough kestrel]

I'm annoyed that the Striking pants lose their shin guards with boots that dont even touch them

They need to fix that shit.

[tough fern]

I am prepared to storm the imperial capital in the name of Gaius lol

[cunning jacinth]

Ah, I have a dumb question
In the trailers we saw a lunar Odin and ravana, as well as a figure in light, but they haven’t shown up yet
Does that mean there’s more quests in .55?

[ashen violet]

WAIT so i'm looking through the nier automata tvtropes again and the entry for beepy mentions a spheroid collective that can update itself

[clever flume]

msq for .5 patch is always split into to parts

so yes, there's going to be more msq in 5.55

[rough kestrel]

Nier Raid is going to be alot of piecing shit together for weeks and weeks to make sense of it @ashen violet . As is the Yoko way.

[cunning jacinth]

Ohhhh I see I see, tysm

[ashen violet]

yeah that's the fun part of it because beepy ends up being referred to as prometheus

[dim sigil]

Robot seed created all nier stuff in 14 wants to destroy world cuz ?? Reasons

And 2b and 9s and white drawf are good for some reson

Why who cares or knows

[cunning jacinth]

Was she dead all along and that was her clone or was she missing until now and the clone just randomly disappeared?

[dim sigil]

Clone went to nier world i think and left a letter?

[cunning jacinth]

Ah okay so that was her clone I guess

[ashen violet]

I'm assuming that while trying to improve itself to see the outside world the robot collective ended up being influenced by the flower from drakengard and well. started trying to destroy everything, and like the players in nier automata 2b and 9s have been sending copies of their own data forward to combat that

[dim sigil]

Clone also seems to have undergone plot off screen

[timber lichen]

is the paglth'an ost called seven flames?

[ashen violet]

yep

[timber lichen]

so thats what this roll is

[ashen violet]

yeah the orch rolls in dungeons are the dungeon bgm only

[timber lichen]

i like the music but i also like gil

[ashen violet]

OH and thinking of ending e isn't that exactly why 2b left the whole cryptic message at the end of the tower raid

that's what you do while leaving behind your game data to help someone else in that ending

[rough kestrel]

The only stuff we dont have concrete info on is why/how they got to Norvrandt, the coin says "The Arc" so I'm thinking it is Automata ending C, it crashlanded here and all the stored data started rebuilding over time and repeating all the cycles we've seen before, repetition of events as a limitation of machines has been a major theme in Nier.

[bold condor]

We know how they got to Norvrandt. They're not the real 2B and 9S insofar as any version of 2B and 9S can be more real than the others.

[dull atlas]

They came from the seeds too

[bold condor]

The Seed created these things using data from another world. 2B, 9S, and Anogg happen to be the most concrete of those memories and were likely created to stoke conflict and encourage the development of the Seed's understanding of mortal life.

[ashen violet]

I think the bigger question atm is why there's seeds now when there weren't any in the automata world
the closest we got to it was emil's megaheads

[rough kestrel]

^

[dull atlas]

This also means Anogg was dead all along.

[rough kestrel]

I still think it's the Ark ending, as the coins allude to.

[bold condor]

||Which is more or less the entire purpose of YorHa within NieR: Automata as well, for the record. But for the Machines, not a Seed.||

C and D are both Ark endings. As is E by relation.

Or did you mean D, which is specifically the 9S ending?

[rough kestrel]

The "I'll go with you' end

[bold condor]

That's D, yeah.

[dull atlas]

Well, this get a bit messier cause..... They were trying to pull Drakengard EndingE on the First.

[bold condor]

The Ark happens whether 9S chooses to go with them or not, but the likely explanation is that the Seed came into contact with and copied the data from the Ark at some point.

[ashen violet]

I wonder how the machines developed to a point where they're more like the drakengard flower than they were in the automata world too
or is the flower imitating the machines because they're the closest to humanity at the time?

[bold condor]

As Ending D mentions, the Ark is just data shooting into space with no real aim. Maybe it'll hit another planet someday, maybe it hit this Seed.

[dull atlas]

It could be something simpler. They just came from one of the shards.

[bold condor]

No, they didn't.

[ashen violet]

definitely not

[dull atlas]

Who can say otherwise?

[bold condor]

I can because I paid attention to how shards work.

The reflections of Hydaelyn are reflections of Hydaelyn. They have consistent geography and races across them.

[ashen violet]

they were pulling something closer to drakengard 3 ending d than drakengard 1 ending e, too, compare the former with the same city landscape when it was originally medieval-esque and the latter with isekai shinjuku

[dull atlas]

One of the shards is Abyss hell atm.

[bold condor]

It wasn't like that before the flood of Darkness.

[strange beacon]

.........diamond ex hates drg so much

[bold condor]

Or do you want to argue the Empty invalidates Norvrandt's geography?

[maiden lodge]

At least tether doesn't reduce in value if half the team is on the other plat.

[silk cape]

An aside, but it's weird to think about how the seas continue to just exist with all of the aether just stilled.

[maiden lodge]

It doesn't exist everywhere.

[somber storm]

The shards of Hydaelyn are like pizza, same shape and core but different flavours

[bold condor]

For a shard to be NieR: Automata, it would need to have undergone such a dramatic shift that its geography mirrors that of real life Earth, have advanced to a post-modern Earth level of technology, have none of the races that aren't Hyur/Humes, and have experienced an extradimensional visitation from Drakengard's universe.

In other words, to try and make this fit into Hydaelyn's universe, you would STILL need to have it impacted by Drakengard's completely separate universe.

[deft burrow]

not canon

If Alphinaud doesn't know about it, its not canon

[dull atlas]

You're assuming that this Nier is the same Nier of the games

[bold condor]

It is.

[maiden lodge]

Unfortunately