retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[brisk quail]

Not with world visit down. But yeee

[maiden lodge]

Cause you can launder bits

[teal geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/lawyer-crime-illegal-zelda-fyi-gif-10772344

[maiden lodge]

No I mean, you don't have to buy a chest to get a chest

[brisk quail]

True

[pulsar yacht]

Yeah and upgrading what i have is 1900 tomes which i dont have :|

[brisk quail]

I bought 4 heads. For like 160k each

[pulsar yacht]

Another 1900 for healer set

[brisk quail]

Easy clap

[torpid yoke]

Though I guess ppl be like MUST BE 525

[pulsar yacht]

Probably more more carry no want to lern mechanics action

[brisk quail]

You'll only hit 520/518 if you're pld/517

Without a Crafted 520 weapon

PLD has superior Ilvl scaling

1 extra gear. Pog

[clever flume]

main hands count twice for everyone but pld

[brisk quail]

Shut up.

Let PLD have something

[dawn wave]

the pld cope

[clever flume]

just spitting facts here, friend

[brisk quail]

We got everything else taken from us

[dawn wave]

say bye to your gap closer

[heady shadow]

PLD got a gapo closer

they can fuck off now

[random ravine]

intervene?

[brisk quail]

we realized this skill doesn't work with the job identity, so for balance, it has been removed, instead PLD gains a 5% move speed down as they're carrying a heavy shield. And their spell range is reduced to 30 yalms

we realized there was a mistake last patch. We meant 3 when we said 30 yalms. Thanks for your contuined support

[maiden lodge]

closing a gap is the opposite of fucking off.

[teal geyser]

virgin on?

[heady shadow]

what else needs a gap closer?
BLM?

(sorry i cant help myself lol)

[teal geyser]

Aetherial manipulation

[heady shadow]

my lack of knowlwedge of the others jobs is showing...
i better run

[deft burrow]

Give DRG more backflips

[dawn wave]

blm needs an invuln. no manaward doesn’t count

[deft burrow]

Imagine having mitigation

DRG only melee with no mitigation

[heady shadow]

i think the only jobs i really bothered playing were dnc, mnk, drk, and whm and i only used leveling for the role quest like what im gonna do for rdm

i havent played monk since the First Eden set and i still wont even if itsokay now, im still burned by the shitty moves they pulled on in in 5.0

[deft burrow]

Then again DRG has most defense of melee DPS so meh

[gaunt star]

Dragoon's mitigation is the ability to self sustain using bloodbath and life surge during a trash pack gone wrong

[deft burrow]

Lmao yeah

The closest thing to an offtank 14 will get is DRG

[turbid aspen]

but muh third eye

[gaunt star]

Ive also tanked 24 man bosses as Dragoon before because tanks are awful, more recent bosses have chunkier tank busters tho so less possible

[deft burrow]

If you have 3 healers on you pretty much any class can tank

[gaunt star]

Was funny keeping aggro and being alive that long

[brisk quail]

Blue mage: Exists

[heady shadow]

i honestly need to play dragoon again because ironically thats the job i started on and abandoned when i first started to boost monk to 60 when SB came out when it was level 47.
my impatience wore thin back then

[turbid aspen]

when is life surge gonna be a direct crit instead of just crit

[heady shadow]

anyway im out before i get bonked in a channel i technically shouldn't be in yet lmao

[deft burrow]

Right? Wtf @turbid aspen

Mch has direct crit guarantee

[gaunt star]

Make life surge a stacking buff that i can use on a whole ass combo

[deft burrow]

Its such an outdated skill

[gaunt star]

Imagine if power surge was still in

Power surge was such a pointless ability

[balmy mesa]

healers should get a gap closer

[brisk quail]

Imagine if heavy thrust still existed

[deft burrow]

Rescue ;)

[gaunt star]

The 2.0 and 3.0 DRG rotations are still part of my muscle memory

[brisk quail]

Malediction of Water

Can this be for all classes? Please and thanks

[balmy mesa]

lol, so let tank run into mobs, fetch them all, then rescue tank to you so you don't have to move?

[deft burrow]

Yep!

[brisk quail]

Malediction of Water is the best skill to be added to FFXIV

It has no reason being that great and fun.

[deft burrow]

If you had the choice between Blue Mage or Beastmaster which would you choose as limited jobs?

[turbid aspen]

so whats the explanation behind that stripper pole aoe attack that dragoon used to do
i think the spiked butt guy from that one fate uses it sometimes

[balmy mesa]

my best guess is that they wanted to change DRG's AoEs to be standard line AoEs with the TP rework so that's why Ring of Thorns was removed

[forest magnet]

Summoner is the only magic dps without a dash or anything right

[deft burrow]

Should give drg aoe a refresh to disembowel buff

[heady shadow]

I think so, but i dont know the class well enough to say for sure

[open verge]

Mch doesn’t have gap closer

[heady shadow]

i just know the class for its long ass rotation

[turbid aspen]

just ruin 4 bro

[open verge]

All the other range phys have a movement skill what should mch get

[turbid aspen]

jet boots

[brisk quail]

Smn has ruin 4 and pet skills

[open verge]

Give them a turret they plant down and then they teleport to them like lay lines

[brisk quail]

And ruin2

[balmy mesa]

jetpack?

[open verge]

Smn has hella instacasts

[balmy mesa]

do something like dragonfire dive maybe

[vital topaz]

Is it me, or does Gaius look like a Bloodborne Hunter now?

[deft burrow]

ranged don't need movement skills

[dim sigil]

That's been a thing since shb tomes

[deft burrow]

they can already move around and attack

they have so much mobility, honestly don't know how they die

[mighty light]

DNC has one of the best mobility skills in the game and it feels more or less fitting; it also doesn't feel too powerful

[dim sigil]

Basiclly bloodbrone

[deft burrow]

I mean I feel like the dashes are unnecessary but since it has a close range aoe ability it is helpful

[dawn wave]

ranged phys have so much movement you can literally hop around in circles and have it not affect you at all

[mighty light]

So do MCH and BRD, don't they
They're cones, but you still need to be standing pretty close

[deft burrow]

Meh

[serene crest]

Bring back Wide Volley you cowards

[mighty light]

Mobility abilities wouldn't hurt
They're not necessary to fix a problem the jobs currently have, but they would not hurt

[clever flume]

MUH LIGHT SHOW

[dim sigil]

Give back sb darkside

[deft burrow]

Mobility abilities are very hard to balance

[clever flume]

idk why they kept quick nock

[deft burrow]

They impact mechanics a lot, give too much mobility and you make mechanics too easy, remove mobility and you make them too hard.

[dawn wave]

whm just feels like blm but you have even less movement

[deft burrow]

rescue

Why do you need to move when you can bring the tank to you

[mighty light]

WHM has instant fire skills that aren't reliant on random chance or long cooldowns

[clever flume]

yeah but they're a dps loss

[mighty light]

Fair point

[clever flume]

having to use a lily when you dont need to heal feels bad

[potent marsh]

holy shit... even the ground is flesh

[deft burrow]

yep

[unreal wadi]

https://twitter.com/elfwifecity/status/1382362854976679939?s=19

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[mighty light]

Also they're not as fun as aetherial manipulation

[deft burrow]

Should have been Au'ra onlyfans @unreal wadi

[clever flume]

dont get me wrong though, i love misery and it feels really nice to use

[dawn wave]

hate blowing lilies with no healing to do

[quasi zodiac]

Drop rates....

[clever flume]

just glad that lilies are actually useful, instead of "please ignore this"

[mighty light]

Nice

[dawn wave]

i hope sage gets to be mobile

[deft burrow]

Space healer

[mighty light]

Hard to imagine it not being some degree of mobile given its whole thing is the floating swords

Probably not?

[potent marsh]

why is shb so god damn dark

[clever flume]

pretty sure plenty of people love it, mostly for the memes i imagine

[deft burrow]

Feelsbringers

[pine epoch]

welcome to the Devil May Cry Qliphoth

[turbid aspen]

every expac is dark

[dawn wave]

the lighthearted moments in the patch were nice

[deft burrow]

The darker the better. I want Square Enix to hurt me.

[teal geyser]

Can someone pull my devil trigger?

[deft burrow]

Sex metaphor @teal geyser

[turbid aspen]

WHEN THE NIGHT ENDS ITS NOT OVEEEEEEEEEER

[potent marsh]

so pretty much the towers are made up of flesh and they are making these fleshy primal amalgamations

that about right?

[mighty light]

Seems that way

[deft burrow]

They are using the various beast tribes as aether sacs that are loyal to Garlemald and in being loyal to Garlemald are summoning primals to fight for the empire.

[mighty light]

Given they went out of their way to remind us that extreme Tempering warps flesh I'm guessing that's how they're doing it

It's more than just normal primal-summoning, since the primals the towers create do not appear to be tempering people.

[deft burrow]

Yeah they are already tempered by something

The tower itself it seems like, has its own tempering

[wind bough]

Something something battle of wills.

[mighty light]

Anyway I'm glad this is going to be the body horror expac

[wind bough]

The primal cannot temper at all though, even when away from the tower.

[deft burrow]

Yeah, they're already tempered

[potent marsh]

getting some fate grand order babylonia vibes

[drowsy belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/whoa-shaking-head-windy-wind-blown-away-gif-15465608

[deft burrow]

Its like Tiamat who was still tempered by Bahamut

[mighty light]

Yeah but already being tempered shouldn't necessarily mean on its own that they can't temper other things; you'd expect them to still be able to overwhelm the wills of others, normally

[turbid aspen]

pretty neat that tiamat was tempered this whole time and we could never tell lol

[clever flume]

so im not crazy tho that the inside of the towers look a lot like the inside of dalamud right?

except more...fleshy and spoopy

[wind bough]

ehh

[mighty light]

Okay tbc Nubity we mean they don't appear to be able to temper the Amalj'aa and Alliance fighters, who are definitely not already tempered

[clever flume]

i mean how they've got them captured in a similar fashion to the dragons they were holding inside. like its basically the same premise?

[deft burrow]

I'm pretty sure you can't temper when you are already tempered because your will as a primal is held by the being above you who is tempering you.

[wind bough]

Oh, yeah totally

[deft burrow]

You don't have the capacity to temper because you yourself are being controlled by a higher temper

[mighty light]

That seems weird
We've seen examples of tempered people still very clearly having a lot of willpower

[potent marsh]

well one thing is for certain, fandaniel is a horrible landscaper 0/10 would not ask to decorate my house.

[deft burrow]

But we've never seen tempered primals

[mighty light]

I mean
I'd get him to do interior design for me, Isiah

[clever flume]

oh i need to get this out: HOLY SHIT THE POP SOUND WHEN VVV GOT SQUISHED. i still dont know if i should feel bad for laughing at that

[deft burrow]

Got what he deserved

[wind bough]

like a balloon

[potent marsh]

i hope you enjoy the feeling of your toes slapping across meat floors

[mighty light]

I will

[potent marsh]

[deft burrow]

I bet that's gonna be the sound of that creepy af dungeon they showed at the presentation for EW

[wind bough]

I heard people talking about that and thought it would be like a fleshy pop sound. Nope, just straight up cap gun going off. How did he even make that sound?

[clever flume]

man 100% deserved it but like those sounds effects lmao

[somber storm]

Something something Jenova

[deft burrow]

I feel as though the dripping effect would be enough to.. ya know, let us know he was crushed to death

[clever flume]

i really do have to assume though they didnt use more...realistic sound effects because of rating. i just wonder if these were the original sound effects intended to be used all along or if they did go "wait we can't do that..."

[potent marsh]

granted what they got away with the ending scene for diamond weapon

i don't think thats to much of an issue

[deft burrow]

Man the weapon questline was so good

What a great payoff, had me tearing up in the end

[clever flume]

i imagine its easier to get away with what they did because they didnt actually show him being popped. just very very strongly implied it

[deft burrow]

Meh, T rating be damned

With the amount of bikini cat girls and bunny girls shaking their butts this game is a hidden M rating

and the existence of Balmung

[dawn wave]

that counts as online interactions and aren’t rated

[deft burrow]

hehehe loopholes are fun

[carmine basin]

I actually replayed that scene to rehear the sfx since I wasn't playing with headphones (rarely do)

[deft burrow]

What

[carmine basin]

Only gorey sfx was the sound of the blood releasing which sounds like normal water sfx

[somber storm]

Most bloody sounds are reused water sounds

[clever flume]

makes sense

[visual spade]

As 2B's character model proves, FF14 has inferior butts

Look at how they massacred my girl

[somber storm]

Fete be crowded

[deft burrow]

Butt sliders as announcement at fanfest

[forest magnet]

inferior soundtrack too

[visual spade]

They can't add butt sliders now, catboys would become too powerful

[dim sigil]

Honestly I like to hope that this is just setting up a kind of vibe Emdalkers gonna be going for

[visual spade]

EW will be slightly less dark

[potent marsh]

the world is on fire.

[visual spade]

Yes, producing abundant light

[dim sigil]

I hope it goes for more horror like this kind of stuff

[visual spade]

I think it'll be very dark for Garlemald.

[dim sigil]

Eldridge kind of things

[visual spade]

It's clear we're doing an FF15 thing

[wind bough]

idk Shadowbringers seemed pretty bright to me what with the everlasting light hue hue

[turbid aspen]

endwalker theme is already less ominous than shadowbringers so

[obsidian osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/zenos-yae-galvus-ffxiv-final-fantasy14-final-fantasy-xiv-gif-20833450

My favorite FFXIV villain.other than Elidibus

[potent marsh]

have you heard of an armory chest, zenos?

[dim sigil]

Dude wants to play a new job

[potent marsh]

god fucking damn it they blue balled us again

[maiden lodge]

people predicting we're doing a 'ff2/9/15' thing despite having never done a ff<number goes here> thing as MSQ

[potent marsh]

just show us the fucking weapon square

[maiden lodge]

Alisae's not mad Estinien mistook her for Alphi.

She's mad he's not hot.

[slate badger]

the weapon is a mighty moggle mogrod

[vital brook]

It was at this moment that he knew

He fucked up

[turbid aspen]

christ au ra are tiny

[balmy mesa]

what if the constant teasing of Zenos is really just a red herring?

[turbid aspen]

or maybe its just perspective fucking with me

[balmy mesa]

nah estinien is that tall

[maiden lodge]

Second smallest females in the game.

[unreal gale]

Ye, it's both. Au Ra females are short, and Elezen are tall.

If OP is a minimum height Au Ra girl, that's just under a 3 ft gap.

[slate badger]

au ra are like, 5 feet aren't they?

[unreal gale]

Shortest option is 4' 8", I think? I could be wrong.

[slate badger]

close enough

[vital brook]

mine is at 25

1.5 meters, idk how much is that on imperial system

[deft burrow]

Estinien gives no fucks

[clever flume]

4'9 is min height for au ra female

[maiden lodge]

Well no, he's had character development.

He now gives one singular fuck.

Only one though, so he saves it for a special occasion

[deft burrow]

True!

[mighty light]

Valens looking at his trial guide for info on the mech he doesn't recognize instead of just like
Moving two inches to the side
Should really be playing a BLM instead of a GNB

[maiden lodge]

Bold of you to assume a BLM is moving two inches to the side.

[mighty light]

I'm assuming nothing of the sort

[ivory wolf]

Slidecasting is hard. I like to stand still :c
(For legal reasons this is a joke)

[potent marsh]

i can relate to valens here

"i know all the mechanics"
"what was that mechanic called again"

[clever flume]

valens should've used superbolide

[mighty light]

He really does just sound like a balloon popping, huh

[potent marsh]

well he is spineless

[ivory wolf]

And water dripping down onto the ground.

Though I suppose blood can make that noise too.

Point is him getting crushed like a coke can was incredibly satisfying.
Also, I half hoped that Gauis would just adopt Alphonse again in his new body, but of course it couldn't be.

[forest magnet]

"my son, the diamond weapon"

[potent marsh]

"i have something in mind for your brother"

[ivory wolf]

"He is a good lad. The best, even"
Diamond Weapon: Screeches and fires anti-missile lasers

[torpid yoke]

we will see valens as a computer virus next expansion :)

[potent marsh]

can't we just use antivirus

[mighty light]

Are they going to acknowledge any of Gaius' non-Black Rose-related atrocities, or

[forest magnet]

Garlond's Antivirus

[balmy mesa]

Novell Ironworks

[ivory wolf]

The people he conquered, Werlyt, came to him for leadership when they were fighting for freedom. I suppose, as a collective, they got over it, though many will harbor grudges and I'm sure he'll get a knife in his chest one night.

[potent marsh]

then again, who doesnt love puppies

[ivory wolf]

H.P. Lovecraft.

[clever flume]

i wouldnt say that they "got over it". rather they were in a situation where they really didn't have much choice and went with the devil they knew

[mighty light]

He was the military dictator of Ala Mhigo prior to Zenos' arrival. A lot of the horrible shit you see in Stormblood is his handiwork.

[ivory wolf]

Yeah, that's what I meant. Apologies, brain's bad at words right now.

[mighty light]

It's not actually a redemption arc if you just don't acknowledge most of what you need redemption for.

[forest magnet]

M'naago basically laid it out like "well ur better than zenos and thodric so 👍 "

[mighty light]

Yeah I noticed that; it
Sure is a low bar, but he cleared it

[lusty shadow]

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[wispy tartan]

so since people did the fete just now, anyone got a picture of the peacekeeper attire?

[vital topaz]

Do you need a drink yet Mountainwhale?

[lament breach]

I know there are videos of it floating around on youtube already

[lament breach]

I'm good thanks (:

[vital topaz]

Ok, remember to stay hydrated

[carmine basin]

It's on MB under peacelover

So can just preview it from there

[wispy tartan]

yeah just saw it

[lament breach]

Oh its tradeable? That's handy

[vital topaz]

Is it me, or did Gaius cry when Alfonse asked Gaius to kill him?

[torpid yoke]

that warning made me lose my train of thought

[viral dew]

[torpid yoke]

I cant wait for the part 2 patch so we can see the shb tataru attire

[mystic sinew]

Let’s play the nazi comparison game. Every time the ffxiv discord mentions nazis take a shot

[vital topaz]

OH SHIT ITS EANAE THEMSELVES

[viral dew]

Eanae

[lament breach]

No please, my liver

[viral dew]

I'd be fucking dead from alcohol poisoning

[torpid yoke]

im already dead eanae

[viral dew]

And i'm Russian.

There's a problem.

[vital topaz]

All we nead now is Mr. Howaboutno guy

[forest magnet]

what kind of russian has that kind of poor tolerance

[vital topaz]

!faq howaboutno

[torpid yoke]

yen would love to orbital laser us

[viral dew]

That's the joke

Insane alcohol tolerance.

[clever flume]

there's so many references people would die

[vital brook]

Man, this patch reminded me that i hate Azys Lla

Big ass area, only 1 Aetheryte located on one corner of the map...

[vital topaz]

Fun fact, I have never drank alcohol before

[somber storm]

get the rum

[vital topaz]

What would the mods recommend for a drink?

[dim sigil]

Water

[clever flume]

don't listen to them, everyone who drinks water dies

[stuck axle]

why cant i undersize shb trials?

[vital topaz]

What is this, Living Liquid (Savage)?

[clever flume]

because current expansion content can't be done unsync

[stuck axle]

ok good to know

[vital topaz]

Do you think more people are going to be doing O12S unsynced after the stat changes and the level cap increase?

[random ravine]

probably. since the level 80-90 stat progression won't be affected

[clever flume]

i mean...sure some people will still be doing o12s for the glams like they are now?

[vital topaz]

Is anyone else kinda dissapointed that the OG Makers Ruin did not play during 5.0 at all?

[torpid yoke]

no

[turbid aspen]

its the sad expansion so we get sad makers ruin

[random ravine]

once people reach their level cap on 6.0, omega savage raids should in theory become much easier to farm

[late bronze]

@random ravine depend which ones, with a couple of friends we tried o4s and cleared aswell after gco. Maybe o12s, but still o8s in 5 ppl is easy

[random ravine]

yea i've heard that some people use one of the omega savage fights to get the tank mount

although i'm not sure why they would choose omega over the emanation fight

[dawn wave]

tank mount is easiest on o3n

[mighty light]

We needed a full party for o8S when we tried it, but that was a few patches ago and I don't think most of us had full savage gear

[late bronze]

Because on emanation you havr intermission

[dawn wave]

o4s is clearable with a light party i’m pretty sure?

[late bronze]

@dawn wave 3 ppl

[random ravine]

u can clear emanation in a minute and half with tank party, is omega truly shorter?

[late bronze]

Around that time

[dawn wave]

1 min 30 i think

[random ravine]

oh so it makes no difference then. since i dont have omega raids unlocked, what is more common in PF, emanation EX or omega?

[late bronze]

Omega

[dawn wave]

i see o3 more often but people do emanation for the dog farm also

[mighty light]

Omega also has a good story attached to it

[random ravine]

not anymore, since you could buy the emanation kamui whistle

[maiden lodge]

Until you cant

[mighty light]

Yeah those events aren't permanent

[random ravine]

they dont repeaet the same events every year?

[mighty light]

The fact that the events repeat doesn't help during the period where they're not running

[maiden lodge]

Repeats not the right word anyways

The ponies are on a rotation.

The others.... not so much

[pulsar yacht]

Theres one moogle event in i want to say july. Lore tomes arent fully implemented yet

[clever flume]

the upper half of the list basically rotates

so next moogle event, it'll be a different sb mount

[forest magnet]

gimme my fat cat parasol

[maiden lodge]

They still haven't done all 7 kamuis anyways

[clever flume]

havent done all 7 lanners either v_v

[forest magnet]

have they done all the birds

[maiden lodge]

Nope.

[clever flume]

they skipped nidhogg

am totally not super mega salty about this, no sirreeeeeeeeeee

[maiden lodge]

Probably will skip Legendary Kamui too

[mighty light]

Nidhogg ex was pretty easy to farm even back in Stormblood
Can't imagine it's gotten harder

[maiden lodge]

Just go straight into Innocent Gwiber

[clever flume]

nope

they are not skipping legendary kamuy

[maiden lodge]

Nope no greendog for you

[rain onyx]

The fanfest tomes have shinryu dog

[clever flume]

green dog will be mine because i have the power of looking at garlandtools

[maiden lodge]

Even better, you get a short short window

[random ravine]

which one is the legendary kamui?

[clever flume]

Shinryu

[random ravine]

hmm....i'm glad i have this then:

[clever flume]

i do find it interesting they put in a new (regular) moogle tomestone but the shop isn't in. or atleast i'm not smart enough to find it on garland

[mighty light]

https://twitter.com/AnonyMooseXIV/status/1382230288974151680

Moosifer Loreingstar (@AnonyMooseXIV)

Can you imagine Deudalaphon randomly phoning from the Eleventh in mid-6.0 like "OK I've finally set up a plan and the right balance. What do I do now? Danny? Danny get off the line. Danny, I have to talk to Elidibus. ... He's fucking WHAT? ... ... YOU WHAT!?"

Twitter · Apr 14, 2021, 7:12 AM

[turbid helm]

So much backtracking through the Nier raid for fetch quests

[vital topaz]

Do we see Valens dead corpse when DW yeets him? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fuGyn-gmsc

[somber storm]

no

[forest magnet]

this is like the 20th time i've seen that video here lol

[vital topaz]

Do you think they went with the balloon popping because they wanted to keep the rating down?

[maiden lodge]

It's a direct reference to evangelion

[forest magnet]

crushing the one u love vs crushing the one u fuckin hate

[vital topaz]

Yeah, I dont think I'm the only one who's posted it here either

[forest magnet]

mildly annoyed we don't know when 3.0+1.0 comes out in teh west

[maiden lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQ_wPePPmsM

It's not the only NGE reference in that quest either, but it's the most obvious.

[vital topaz]

Is saucy noodle the only FF14 memer?

[somber storm]

nah

[maiden lodge]

God no.

[deft burrow]

I wish

[rain onyx]

Larryzaur did a good amount of meme videos

[forest magnet]

EVA is the grand-daddy of all modern mecha so it makes sense that Werylt has some allusions to it.

[rain onyx]

Denmo mcstronghuge, AKA mr. Face, too

[maiden lodge]

It's.... not.

[forest magnet]

Larry is the most famous memer. Zepla does some meme videos too.
There was also Tate

[stiff charm]

eva is the daddy, gundam is the grand-daddy

[mighty light]

Eva is a popular show that does some interesting things with the formula

[vital topaz]

Gott DAYUM, thigh overdose https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8IdTHSzee0

[maiden lodge]

Eva's a deconstruction of the media, it's more like the wierd uncle that talks shit about it but we love anyways

[forest magnet]

Eva popularized the half alive mech right

[stiff charm]

overdose? you cant have too much thigh

[forest magnet]

FranXX was also a deconstruction. Granted, not a particularly good one.

[stiff charm]

aot is the first true flesh mecha

[forest magnet]

does aot manga predate eva?

[mighty light]

No

[stiff charm]

no lol aot manga started in like 2009

[forest magnet]

also that ending for aot oof

[mighty light]

The discourse surrounding AoT is too powerful

[vital brook]

Dang, the insides of the towers look like some kind of horror game

[rain onyx]

(Crying)

[stiff charm]

(aot 139 spoiler) ||thank you for becoming a mass murderer for our sake|| alternate shb ending

[forest magnet]

We build a statue of emet selch

[clever flume]

for reference eva started in 1994

[forest magnet]

see, see i'm throwing shade at two different franchises here.

[vital topaz]

How many Ascians are alive now, minus Lahabrea's weird situation

[forest magnet]

check pins in #archived-lore-spoilers

[mighty light]

We dunno

[maiden lodge]

We dunno and Lahabrea doesn't have a 'wierd situation'

[stiff charm]

like 6? including damn daniel

[vital topaz]

I aint even gonna argue about Pandaemonium anymore

[mighty light]

The actual answer is "we dunno," because even leaving aside the uncertain status of some of the other convocation members, you also have the weird tarot Ascians

[serene crest]

Fannyboy, Deudalaphon, Altima, Pashtarot, Emmerololth. Think that's it.

Oh Halmarut too

[random ravine]

that looks like...y'shtola

[maiden lodge]

Assuming that none have been replaced.

[gaunt star]

Where's Tractorhat? Or whatever his name is

[random ravine]

trachtorum?

[mighty light]

Travanchet was a false name

[stiff charm]

trachtoum

[mighty light]

We don't know what he's up to, if he's not already dead.

[forest magnet]

Most likely Lahabrea's alias.

[gaunt star]

Ima call him Tractorhat

[clever flume]

travanchet also wasnt a overlord

[serene crest]

I ascribe to the Travanchet = random black mask thing

[clever flume]

iirc lyon said he was a black mask

[forest magnet]

interesting.

[stiff charm]

igeyorhm still cutest ascian

[clever flume]

could always change things up and he IS an overlord just going by a different name for reasons

[random ravine]

do we even know what she looks like

[vital topaz]

I'm surprised the rest of the convocation didnt just say "No fuck you, we overrule you 5 to 1 Fandaniel" and just kill him.

[cerulean siren]

someone give me tldr ver of alliance raid story

i skipped everything lel

[forest magnet]

check pins in #archived-lore-spoilers

[mighty light]

I mean
At this point, good luck to them if they try

[forest magnet]

i mean they may have killed him in the past

this Fandaniel was just smart enough to shut up about it and wait it out.

[stiff charm]

yes

[mighty light]

Previous incarnations of Fandaniel were probably not like this

[timber lichen]

[stiff charm]

(2.0 model, 3.0 has more makeup)

[cerulean siren]

why does she have lightnings hair

[forest magnet]

Logrif is cuter fite me

[random ravine]

i agree

[stiff charm]

what do they look like again

[forest magnet]

it's gaia lol

[random ravine]

loghrif is hotter than gaia

[stiff charm]

ohhh right forgot, yeah i suppose idk

[mighty light]

It's just older Gaia.

[cerulean siren]

past gaia is just a charac creation model lmao

[maiden lodge]

When you're my age, that actually is a difference maker.

[forest magnet]

!faq howaboutno

[lusty shadow]

Stop it.

[random ravine]

i prefer the older version then

[gaunt star]

Her lips aren't big enough

[random ravine]

the younger just doesn't do it for me

[mighty light]

I'm just clarifying that they're not completely different people appearance-wise. Was not trying to be weird.

[vital topaz]

On a different note, I cant stop laughing at this: https://twitter.com/AnonyMooseXIV/status/1382230288974151680

Moosifer Loreingstar (@AnonyMooseXIV)

Can you imagine Deudalaphon randomly phoning from the Eleventh in mid-6.0 like "OK I've finally set up a plan and the right balance. What do I do now? Danny? Danny get off the line. Danny, I have to talk to Elidibus. ... He's fucking WHAT? ... ... YOU WHAT!?"

Twitter · Apr 14, 2021, 7:12 AM

[gaunt star]

I'm convinced Azem walked into a convocation meeting with big angry eyebrows taped to their mask

[forest magnet]

one of the mentors had that pfp for a while. I think it was kael

[gaunt star]

that's awesome

[vital topaz]

Will Fanny also probably have a tragic backstory as to why he went mentally insane and is now suicidal?

[mighty light]

Probably

[forest magnet]

probably Ishikawa managed to rescue Elidibus' character by making him a hollow husk

[gaunt star]

And then people will feel bad for him and start simping for him, like they do Emet

[clever flume]

took me a minute to remember where i saved that lol

[gaunt star]

I love this omfg

[forest magnet]

I think it'll be more like Elidibus than Emet.
Emet was at least canonical best friends with you.

[mighty light]

Look man
So long as they don't try to pretend he did nothing wrong I have no problem with that

[vital topaz]

Didnt people also feel bad for Kefka in some capacity in FF6 once they read his full backstory as well?

[carmine basin]

Final fantasy villains are hot

[gaunt star]

Not Asahi tho, BobbyBowlcut lookin ass

[carmine basin]

Sephiroth killed a whole village and he's also hot

[clever flume]

asahi has a punchable face

[mighty light]

Villain fuckers are valid

[gaunt star]

But they will

[clever flume]

so it kind of makes it easy to hate him

[forest magnet]

also killed Aerith and almost killed Tifa

[vital topaz]

Fun Fact: Sephiroth uses an entire bottle of Shinra Brand Shampoo and Conditioner every time he washes his hair, this is canon

[carmine basin]

Yeah he was made to be hated. Compared with other "likeable" villains that never made any strange faces

[gaunt star]

Fannydanny wants you to punch him, so that makes it less rewarding

[carmine basin]

Except Zenos.

[forest magnet]

to be fair so does Zenos

[mighty light]

Yeah I know many of them will; I've spent the last like
Two years arguing with people trying to justify Emet-Selch's bulshit
But I don't see the use in extending that frustration to literally everyone who finds him hot or sympathetic or whatever

[gaunt star]

Yeah but Zenos has big slappy

[forest magnet]

idk maybe asahi's is packing some heat in there u know what im sayin'?

[gaunt star]

uwu

Assahi

[mighty light]

Oh no, several people and Aya are typing

[carmine basin]

Throwback to when #archived-lore-spoilers got people coming in saying "ascians were right" "we're inferior therefore we should die"

[mighty light]

Oh you mean like every tuesday

[carmine basin]

Now it's "gaius were okay actually"

[forest magnet]

I thought tuesdasy was the day we debate about authoritarianism

emet simping is on Thrusdays, and sometimes Sundays.

[mighty light]

Corporate would like you to identify the differences between these two photos
They're the same photo

[forest magnet]

What not paying attention in English class does to a motherfucker

[vital topaz]

Why does the writing want to make it seem like The Black Wolf and Gaius Baelsar were two entirely different people?

[gaunt star]

despite the fact he killed women, children, and men by probably lining them up against walls with firing squads but y'know hes hot so it's ok

[carmine basin]

I will not be surprised if 6.0 ended up making Fandaniel likeable. He's gonna have some sad scenes and backstory to explain his motives, and the fandom will go "d'awwwwww"

[gaunt star]

Gaius is too old tho, hes like 60 by now

[forest magnet]

tbf the game kinda does this, with M'naago going "yeah he was bad but he's better than two other shitty rulers in Zenos and Theodric!"

[fathom ember]

https://gyazo.com/b7bb3298870921f8cb248dd89a15f004

someone linked this? i thought it wasn't in game yet

[forest magnet]

yeah i thought that was just in datamine files

i guess someone's running a hacked client

[carmine basin]

I mean if someone found out how to get it, it would be spread by now

[gaunt star]

I could see it being in the new Bozja zone because Yoshi said the new Castrum like place will have a mount that people will want or something

[mighty light]

I'm just ready for Werlyt to be done, and for Gaius to hopefully take a back seat in the future

[fathom ember]

is it possible to link it if they're "hacking"?

[vital topaz]

Wait, wtf there's a CRUISE CHASER MOUNT now?

[clever flume]

generally if its in the files, you can link it

[fathom ember]

that's prob what they did

[clever flume]

not entirely sure how to do it exactly myself, since i dont mess with that stuff. but for the most part, just because its not available to players yet doesn't mean you can't do things with the game to link these things

basically if you know how to poke around the game files, you know how to do that kind of stuff

[indigo shale]

well Gaius himself did say the black wolf is no more, essentially saying he isnt about the empire life anymore and is just Gaius Baelsar, not completely different people but a way of separating him from the previous path he was on

[mighty light]

Further Gaius venting; ignore if you've had enough: ||I don't need him to be "punished;" one of my biggest problems with this storyline has been its apparent belief that by putting him through emotional turmoil they were effecting some kind of redemption without him having to actually do much
I was just hoping they'd actually have him confront some of the things he did and make a meaningful commitment to atone, and, like
They basically ignored all but the most milktoast "war is bad and I was on the wrong side" stuff
So like
Yeah just
The sooner this is done the better||

[forest magnet]

I do hope he returns to msq soon.

[indigo shale]

well he did have to confront some of the things he did the whole weapons thing is his fault and because of it his adopted kids are dead, ofc there is more he can do, but SoW was directly his doing and he paid for it heavily, its a start at least for things biting him back

[bold condor]

Agreed. Granted, they did kind of undercut him in this patch, though.

[vital brook]

Well, whatever the heck weapon Zenos grabbed, it sounded heavy and metal

[forest magnet]

we don't know

[bold condor]

That is to say that Gaius was poised to help take back Werlyt, but the job gets done for him by Alfonse and Allie.

And that would have actually been a redemptive act on his part had he more agency in the doing.

[carmine basin]

Is his job gonna be the new melee job then if they went out of their way to hide and tease it

[clever flume]

i would like more "solid" confrontation on the things gaius' has done, but for me personally i'm mostly ok with how things went in the weapon series

[bold condor]

Oh no yeah it absolutely will be there's no reason to hide the weapon otherwise.

[forest magnet]

I think it was done well enough with him facing off against Valens. With Valens saying that Gaius did some bad shit too.

[bold condor]

And given what I know of Zenos's edgelord tastes and Yoshi-P wearing three different Grim Reaper shirts, I'm assuming it's a scythe.

Also the timing of the Sice hair feels like a deliberate nod.

[somber storm]

Scissor sword

[carmine basin]

Yeahhhh

[clever flume]

the fact they continued to reinforce the fact that what gaius has done was/is not ok, and that there are plenty of people still very much scarred by what he's done makes me largely ok with how things played out

[tulip geyser]

Yeah I won't yell at a villain who tries to turn themselves around, as long as they understand that theres no really fixing what they did and theres lots of hard work to put in making up for it

[forest magnet]

idk why but Gwen from League just came to mind lmao

[vital brook]

who this

[mighty light]

Gonna go get something to drink; be back in a bit

[forest magnet]

character from type 0

[clever flume]

the rainmaker hair

[bold condor]

Whoops didn't mean to reply on that.

[clever flume]

s'ok, didnt have to delete it tho xd

[obsidian pagoda]

There was a horror game called Clock tower that featured giant pair of scissors

[somber storm]

Scissorman

[coarse pond]

[somber storm]

Lala Scissorman

[bold condor]

Her most unique feature is the ability to absorb the "hatred" (malice) of dead enemies, causing a dark red aura to surround her scythe that glows gradually brighter as she absorbs more. The aura increases the power of her basic attacks as well as the area-of-effect's size, namely, her Dark Nebula attack, and the brighter the aura is, the stronger she becomes. Every time Sice is hit by an attack, regardless of it staggering or knocking her away or not, the malice is purged out from her. It is vital to keep as much malice as possible to utilize Sice's abilities to its fullest, and the Moxie ability upgrade and the Tenacity ability to make her a fearsome character.

[forest magnet]

That sounds like DRK but using your enemy's abyss instead of your own

[bold condor]

"I shall drink a sea of souls."

[forest magnet]

now we have a job that's canonically the strongest in the game. thanks SE.

[vital brook]

Its gonna be quite weird for me to see Zenos wearing an admiral jacket...and a scythe

[carmine basin]

I can only think of Soul Reaper as the name

[bold condor]

Also just the general connotation of a moon and the shape of a scythe.

[forest magnet]

it probably won't be named like that, given how they named Sage

[somber storm]

So either SOR or SRP

[carmine basin]

Yeah same, that outfit looks better paired with a gun/sword/lance

[bold condor]

I'm thinking Reaper, frankly.

[stiff charm]

DONT LOSE YOUR WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY

[bold condor]

How well a scythe will fit his attire will depend on the design of the scythe.

[torpid yoke]

i think its an original job name

[forest magnet]

Templar was the other speculation floating around

[bold condor]

But also keep in mind that Zenos does get a minor outfit change.

[stiff charm]

lunar reaper, lnr

[severe brook]

I will call it Reaper until we get the actual Job Name

[stiff charm]

alternatively "lrp" as zenos is nothing but a larper

[vital brook]

Oh @carmine basin have you seen the datamined hairstyle?

[torpid yoke]

also too bad type-0 hinders the awesomeness of sice

[carmine basin]

Yeah I did!

[vital brook]

Hella cute, im gonna get it

[carmine basin]

Prolly gonna be bozja/mogstation

[bold condor]

Certainly possible his new outfit will be more befitting.

I'm also kind of hoping he adapts that helmet he used to wear into a mask for when he wields it.

[carmine basin]

I checked the moonfire faire reward from garland and the reward is not that

[torpid yoke]

Im still holding out for ranjit job but the pet acts like golbez's in dissidia

[vital brook]

On Miqo'te the datamined hairstyle looks kinda weird tho, seeing how it sits right below the ear

[bold condor]

Something like this fanart.

[forest magnet]

"this is Katana, her sword absorbs the souls of the dead"

[vital brook]

Looks bad on miqo...would not recommend

[clever flume]

i honestly am surprised by the moonfire reward

[carmine basin]

Ehh not too bad for me

[forest magnet]

what is it? another swimsuit?

[clever flume]

no

[carmine basin]

Do you have pic of the front @vital brook

[clever flume]

||its a polar bear mount||

[stiff charm]

i think its cute and my wol would absolutely do it (because i would irl)

[vital brook]

On Au Ra tho

[forest magnet]

do u have more screenshots of it

[mighty light]

I'd rather they make the scythe design fit Zenos' current outfit
I kind of like the idea of how incongruous a scythe'd be with it

[torpid yoke]

i want zeno's admiral suit player wearable

[bold condor]

I mean we know he's getting an outfit change.

[torpid yoke]

it looks nice

[mighty light]

Awww

[vital brook]

Not many, but it has an antenna

[forest magnet]

i want emet's suit to be wearable because Emet actually uses normal rigging.

[bold condor]

So we'll probably see his Endwalker outfit, whether it just be a recolor or a proper change of clothes, in 5.56.

[forest magnet]

isn't he wearing the same clothes in the CG trailer

[bold condor]

(We see it in the teaser but not from below the shoulders.)

[vital brook]

I mean moving around straddling a jacket-cape would look way too awkward lmao

[torpid yoke]

no his coat is different in the cg trailer

[bold condor]

We only see the top and it's hard to judge if it's just a recolor or a full change.

[severe brook]

someone made fanart of him with robes based on what we see in the trailer, and it looked cool

[bold condor]

https://imgur.com/8uY37xm

[carmine basin]

The one rommy posted?

[bold condor]

I will note that he doesn't seem to be wearing his armor.

[obsidian pagoda]

He is a very pretty guy

[severe brook]

yeah i think it was the one rom posted back then

[torpid yoke]

also when it goes to the moon after his eye zoom in you can tell there's extra parts to that

[obsidian pagoda]

The jacket is different, that collar is way more elaborate

[mighty light]

Armour is for cowards
Real cool kids wear robes and dresses

[obsidian pagoda]

wait no, it's just red and black instead of white coat

[vital brook]

No more golfbag of swords, you will be missed, weeb Zenos

[torpid yoke]

they double transitioned and thats when you can tell

[bold condor]

It's kind of funny how they premiered this new outfit in Dissidia NT and then he's going to change it before he's actually done anything in it.

[carmine basin]

me @ zenos
https://c.tenor.com/YXR_Ssef5VUAAAAM/squidward-oh-no-hes-hot.gif

[serene crest]

I feel like that was a spite move for getting his thunder stolen lol

[cursive thistle]

anyone got a photo of the unreal mount?

[torpid yoke]

Funny how yoshi-p appreciated nt more than square >:/

[forest magnet]

wait a minute is the unreal mount cruise chaser?

[carmine basin]

No

[clever flume]

cruise chaser isnt available yet

[bold condor]

Oh yeah they went all out making Zenos's combat style similar to FFXIV Samurai.

[forest magnet]

instead of using his own moves he has in game?

[severe brook]

i had my absurd guess that he'll have a scythe with a weird electromagnet on the head so that as he spins it and does anime maneuevers with it, it builds up aetheric charge and lets him do magic stuff with it

[bold condor]

No, he does use those.

[severe brook]

like one of these flashlights

[stiff charm]

can i just say i hope melee has a "dash-through" ability that dashes in a straight line through an enemy doing damage, can also be used to easily get to back positionals

[torpid yoke]

why do that when he can d that naturally now

[bold condor]

But if sens are battle trances achieved by entering a meditative state in battle, then what Zenos seems to do is channel his bloodlust to similar effect. Instead of Snow, Moon, Flowers he has Storm, Swell, Sword.

[stiff charm]

mostly because i think it would look cool

[severe brook]

the magnet moves back and forth through the coil, which generates electricity

[forest magnet]

stroking the haft

[severe brook]

there'd been a discussion earlier about whether he can actually use magic beyond the Echo abilities that Resonance gives him, or not

and he arguably only has Resonant stuff and can't use other magic things

[bold condor]

His rotary electro-scabbard uses magitek to channel his aetherial flow the way a samurai's scabbard would, so his bigger moves like vein splitter and concentrativity are basically iaijutsu.

He can definitely use magic if he wants to.

[mighty light]

I'm looking forward to the scythe class reveal
Gonna have to choose whether to main it or stick with BLM through Endwalker

[bold condor]

There's no reason he wouldn't be able to. He teleports freely constantly now, for one thing.

[torpid yoke]

so theoretically if the new job is death related like lets say ala hades and the underworld zenos would get his power from forcing it while we do it benevolently

[severe brook]

is there any case of him using stuff that isn't magitek or from the Echo?
teleporting is Echo.

i want to believe that he can use other magic stuff now, it'd be simpler

but it was pointed out that most of the stuff he's been doing is either from his armor or from Resonance

[bold condor]

If you know how the Echo works then you know why that distinction you just made exasperates me.

[torpid yoke]

his magic barrier though?

[severe brook]

that's from his armor, it's a magitek shield

[bold condor]

The Echo isn't just any old superpowers, it's specifically the magical abilities of the Ancients (usually awakened in those whose souls are sensitive to imagery of the Final Days, borrowed in Zenos's case).

[severe brook]

in terms of recent stuff, it's the same visual as Varis' projected shield and Diamond Weapon's force fields

[severe brook]

I am aware, but teleporting in that way is usually something we only see the Ascians do. Which would imply it's more an Echo-based thing.

[bold condor]

Because they're Ancients.

[severe brook]

Yes.

[bold condor]

They're using Ancient magicks.

[severe brook]

Which the Echo is a fraction of.

[bold condor]

This would be like trying to claim primal summoning is Echo-only.

[severe brook]

...i think dis corrupted me. we had this discussion before

[torpid yoke]

i swear elidibus did something to his body to allow magic

[severe brook]

and he swayed me to his side in the argument

[bold condor]

To teleport himself, Zenos is not "using the Echo" he is manipulating aether to teleport himself across the aetherial sea, and he achieved this because of the power of his borrowed Echo.

[clever flume]

do we have to remake you blitz?

[bold condor]

In the same way Nael van Darnus, also a Garlean pureblood, achieves the ability to manipulate aether from the tempering of Bahamut.

[torpid yoke]

wait

[bold condor]

As Zenos himself said to Fordola, the Echo is "far more than mere magic" it's literally the remnant of the kinds of magic performed by unsundered souls.

[severe brook]

i'm already Mark VI

[serene crest]

Turn him off and back on again

[clever flume]

clearly need to upgrade you into Mark VII

[serene crest]

Unplug him for a minute then plug him back in

[severe brook]

it is done. fear not comrades. i have been

Re-educated

[clever flume]

lol

[severe brook]

Zenos is a wizard in my mind once more

[bold condor]

Mhm. But keep in mind any willful manipulation of aether that causes it to deviate from its natural tendencies is magic.

[mighty light]

Blitz rererererereborn

[torpid yoke]

prime example he's at least able to manipulate aether now. His first thing after killing varis and he is transfering aether to his sword

[vital brook]

Zenos was able to posses Shinryu with his Resonance right?

[torpid yoke]

plus he uses the resonant to activate his shield in that same cutscene showing its not magitek

[bold condor]

Yep.

[vital brook]

What's stopping the Echo users from doing so?

[bold condor]

Training and if I had to hazard a guess?

Not every Ancient was on the same level as one another so it's possible Arenvald's Echo sucks because he wasn't Azem.

[torpid yoke]

i mean technically some echo users do it. Ysayle for one in one way

imma beat dis up for spreading that lie that it is magitek

[bold condor]

I mean, Zenos did use magitek for a lot of what he did in 4.0 and it's hard to draw the line for when he stopped.

[severe brook]

probably about when he manifested clones of himself and started levitating

[vital brook]

Magitek is after all, the recreation of magick thru tech

[torpid yoke]

I mean more for saying its magitek after he gets his body back

[bold condor]

I'd say he's definitely not after he came back from death, though.

[bold condor]

No, Gaius can do that, too.

The illusory clones bit, that is.

[torpid yoke]

because the cutscene frames it like he used the resonant to make the shield not magitek

[vital brook]

The emperor Varis did too in Mem Misera(not sure how canon that even is to the emperor's skills)

[bold condor]

Yes definitely post-resurrection Zenos is using his Resonance more.

[torpid yoke]

Varis using it in misera i find as not good evidence

[mighty light]

Just assume it's not canon unless it's attested somewhere in the real world, Azura

[bold condor]

I doubt he even needs magitek at that point.

[clever flume]

hm only qualm i have with using MeMi as an example is the fact its a twist on cid's memories

[torpid yoke]

since thats a lot of memory bull in there XD

[mighty light]

Cid probably had no real experience with Varis' combat style

[clever flume]

which is already twisted sooo

[bold condor]

fwiw nothing Varis does in MeMi is out of step with what other legati can do.

[clever flume]

that is true

[bold condor]

And also Fordola, who got REALLY good with that gunblade to be performing Terminus Est.

[torpid yoke]

lemme just zoom around

[severe brook]

i do feel like some things in MeMi are exaggerated from the reality.
such as flying like superman and elemental variations on Terminus Est, twenty years in the past

[vital brook]

He divided himself into 2 stack markers

[torpid yoke]

how do they even do teminus est? Is it a special bullet?

[bold condor]

It's magitek they don't gotta explain shit.

[severe brook]

mix of tech and technique

[mighty light]

We see Gaius do a version of it at the end of Werlyt

[bold condor]

Mhm, Crocea Mors

[mighty light]

He uses a special bullet

[torpid yoke]

fair point

[vital brook]

The Terminus Est Crocea Mors

[severe brook]

i think they have special bullets that channel Ceruleum in a particular way, and also they need to have the control to shape it and then launch it with swordplay

[bold condor]

It seems to ignite his gunblade's tip with ceruleum and allow him to make delayed-reaction strikes that stack on top of one another and fire off in a massive wave.

[torpid yoke]

...sounds scientifically possible

[bold condor]

At least judging by Crocea Mors.

[torpid yoke]

ya know if one were to get a substance that allows it

[mighty light]

I do kinda want gunshield at some point as a tank

[vital topaz]

Is the Cruise Chaser Mount something they're gonna add in .55?

[clever flume]

🤷‍♀️

[bold condor]

Just give PLD a Gunshield as a drop from a Garlean dungeon.

[clever flume]

all we can say is that its in the files, nothing more and nothing less

[turbid aspen]

gunshot sound for everytime you use intervene

[bold condor]

Imagine being the Gunbreaker and you get a Gungunbladeblade.

[vital topaz]

I know, I know, I'm just going crazy about the prospect of flying around places while Exponential Entropy is blasting in my ears.

[torpid yoke]

i want it as a dps

[bold condor]

...why

[somber storm]

gunganblade

[turbid aspen]

just give monk gungauntlets then

[bold condor]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-jar-jar-binks-thumbs-up-agree-yes-gif-16164511

[clever flume]

might wanna rein yourself back on it playing exponential entropy

[torpid yoke]

why not?

[vital topaz]

...why?

[bold condor]

Because it's a shield, it's the tankiest piece of equipment you can carry.

[severe brook]

Trainyard drop confirmed

[bold condor]

Next to parts of an actual tank.

[torpid yoke]

fine i want it on a healer then

bomb the tank to heal them :)

[bold condor]

Rymi must die.

Their heresy is dangerous and must needs be put to the flame.

[vital topaz]

Have Dis and Romka argued over lore before?

[torpid yoke]

Lemme go make the meme rq

[bold condor]

Sickness must be purged.

[mighty light]

If Rymi employs whatever black magic they're channeling to get me a necromancer healer I'll let it go

[vital topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/emet-selch-jazz-hands-gif-18818884

[torpid yoke]

Even i dont have that much power

[mighty light]

Oh
Welp

[bold condor]

https://tenor.com/view/bob-the-necromancer-digging-graves-coffin-tombstone-digging-gif-19042211

[severe brook]

remember when Sage got confirmed and we all lost it because Snack was right

[torpid yoke]

well maybe i do?

[bold condor]

I really do hope if we get Reaper, their AF set includes a plague doctor's mask or a skull mask in the design.

[torpid yoke]

we'll see on the 14th and 15th of may

[severe brook]

and then Yoshi-P came out with a skeleton shirt and we all lost it again

[bold condor]

Just go full on edgelord with that shit, I don't care.

[severe brook]

because it appeared snack would be 2 for 2

[vital topaz]

Goddammit Rommy, who let SCP-049 out again?

[torpid yoke]

what did snack say?

[severe brook]

though at this point it likely won't be Necromancer

he thought it'd be Necro and Sage

[vital brook]

Who is snack?

[severe brook]

Snackattack, currently goes by "That boi just isn't very buoyant" here

[mighty light]

It won't be necromancer

It makes me very sad but it won't be necromancer

[vital brook]

Necromancer is a caster tho

[bold condor]

Imagine if your job quest trainer for Reaper is like some kind of literal moon man.

[torpid yoke]

but he didnt guess fin funnels so he was wrong :) (jk)

[mighty light]

That'd make up for it

[bold condor]

From a race we'll meet on the moon.

[severe brook]

if it's necromancer it'd be a very reinvented version of it that would basically just be going by the literal definition of the term 'necromancer'

[vital brook]

Surprise surprise, it's hecking Fray 2.0

[mighty light]

Or alternatively, the original definition of the term necromancer

[severe brook]

my personal guess is it'll be Meracydian

[torpid yoke]

Shaman

[mighty light]

As opposed to the popular fantasy definition etc. etc.

[vital topaz]

Snack is a guy who, despite everyone shoving the idea down his piehole, won't stay out of #archived-lore-spoilers and #retired-patch-6-3-discussion so he can play ShB blind.

[mighty light]

Just let them vibe

[severe brook]

have it be a fighting style that arose from battling hordes of undead that still prowl the meracydian wasteland because of xande's pact

[torpid yoke]

necromancer and shaman both relate to the dead but shaman tends to do it in a good way

[bold condor]

don't attack the snack, mac

[mighty light]

hjfkldskl

[bold condor]

https://tenor.com/view/no-wack-not-funny-hannibul-gif-5760013

[torpid yoke]

I think its corvos

[severe brook]

with them using Scythes so they can mow down many zombies at a time, exorcising the demons possessing them and laying the dead to rest

[torpid yoke]

too much corvos shit plus zenos master from there

[severe brook]

but Zenos will butcher it to just bring about slaughter

[bold condor]

You know honestly if the scythe was Corvosi that'd be cool but that guy was explicitly a swordsman.

[torpid yoke]

different styles for different masters

[bold condor]

Zenos only had the one Corvosi swordsmaster.

[vital topaz]

Do people think the next job will be a Scythe Job because of Ran'Jit?

[mighty light]

Corvo was a spinny boy

[bold condor]

No. It's because Yoshi-P wore three shirts with Grim Reapers on them.

[mighty light]

Oh not the
Not the Dishonored guy
Okay

[clever flume]

its because several of yoshi-ps shirts

[subtle pasture]

The idea that the object in Zenos' throne in the EW teaser trailer is a scythehead-- which I still do not see.

[vital brook]

I want hecking Regula's sword bro

[severe brook]

and now the audibly sharp noise from zenos picking his weapon, whatever it was

[subtle pasture]

Like I accept it's a scythe I just hate that angle of it, then

[severe brook]

it's tilted forward, that's why the shape is odd

[bold condor]

I don't think it's a scythehead, I think it's the bottom of it.

[vital topaz]

What if Ran'jit was secretly a big foreshadow to the Scythe Job class this entire time, and he ends up being the job mentor?

[severe brook]

i think it's the head but the angle is off

[bold condor]

Also possible.

[severe brook]

probably yes for the first point, absolutely no for the second

[clever flume]

job mentor? extremely exceptionally unlikely

[vital brook]

This boy deader than Edda

[severe brook]

the guy is almost certainly dead by now, and would have no reason to help us if he was alive

[clever flume]

for one, he's dead. for two, he's not of the source nor is he on the source

[dim sigil]

Fandans reaction to the weapon makes sesne as styche i think

[bold condor]

Any new job will start in an ARR zone and be accessible to people with no MSQ completion.

[severe brook]

less reason than Gaius because Ran'Jit wasn't even being manipulated. He knew exactly what he'd signed on for the whole time

[dim sigil]

Itll start at 70 tho

[vital brook]

Its gonna be a whole new NPC, trust me boyos

[subtle pasture]

Saying Ran'jit foreshadows a scythe class is like saying Edda did-- and similarly, that Nero and Gaia hint a future hammer job

[mighty light]

I don't think it'd be hard to justify Ran'jit teaching us, with everything that's happened.
Unfortunately he's dead.

[clever flume]

it doesn't matter what lvl it starts. basically needs to be easily accessible and you can't make it tied that thoroughly to msq

[indigo shale]

ranjit is dead, i dont think hes in any shape to mentor anyone

[bold condor]

You can't make it tied to MSQ at all.

[clever flume]

ran'jit being mentor would require players to be/have done shb msq

[bold condor]

You can tie MSQ to it, but not vice versa. Little nods about X'rhun or Oboro, or all of Estinien.

[vital brook]

DRG is only somewhat tied to pre-HW... but only a small nod

[clever flume]

he makes absolutely no sense without msq done

[subtle pasture]

tbf it is funny to see 60/70 jobs only gated by The Ultima Weapon and, well, having another 60 or 70

[mighty light]

Yeah. He wouldn't teach us at level 70, and they're not going to start a job at level 80.

[subtle pasture]

it's not an MSQ gate but I mean- how many have 60's and 70's without being in those respective msq brackets?

--don't answer that.

[vital brook]

TFW yer trainer is a goddamn lalafell

[dim sigil]

Do be a shame having job areas like ast and mch in ishgard is nice more areas would be cool but yeah cant lock behind msq

[clever flume]

you'd be surprised how many people easily get to 60 while still being in ARR

[mighty light]

BLM and SCH?

[vital brook]

TBF in SCH your actual trainer were tonberries

[vital topaz]

Looks at free trialers

[mighty light]

Who are lalafell

[clever flume]

road to 70 is powerful buff, and someone who does roulettes every day will easily, easily get to 60

[vital brook]

I cant argue with this

[bold condor]

Part of me wants them to go balls to the walls insane with it and make your mentor an enigmatic robed person with a scythe who you eventually discover is some manner of defector Ascian.

[torpid yoke]

I think its the butt

[subtle pasture]

sorry, there's no jobs startign at 70 yet are there, GNB and DNC are 60, yeah?

[turbid aspen]

yes

[mighty light]

At this point I'd be fine with this
Would also help to answer "what's the Convocation doing during this crisis"

[bold condor]

It's not like they've never used Ascians in job quests before, after all.

[severe brook]

it'll be Pashtarot and he'll reveal his real name is Zeromus at the end

[torpid yoke]

I memed it soo hard that it became real

[subtle pasture]

sick then I can change my name finally

[bold condor]

uh no

[vital topaz]

Lahabrea's hypemen

[vital brook]

It's Hildibrand's long lost brother

[subtle pasture]

clearly if Pashtarot shows in any job quest its AST

[vital brook]

Thats a crab

[subtle pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/joke-punchline-lol-hades-gif-8655946

[severe brook]

it is now
Time for crab

[vital topaz]

How the fuck did Lahabrea get hypemen anyway?

[bold condor]

He's an unsundered Ascian, they all have hypemen. Lahabrea just doesn't have the fandom on his side so he has to make do.

[mighty light]

I mean he's also like
Canonically charismatic enough to get elected Speaker

[subtle pasture]

there's certainly more lackey blackmasks than red, far more. Twelfth Chalice is just our only named band- specificially Laha's, etc

[severe brook]

i'm not sure if they ever said how the black masks fit into what we now know of the Ascian's origins, did they

[subtle pasture]

All those unnamed black masks who were off screen in 5.2 and 5.3 orz

[severe brook]

presumably they're reincarnations of the Convocation's attendants or something like that

[bold condor]

No, they're just random people with the Echo uplifted into their cult.

[cursive thistle]

i just realized its same rewards for leviathan unreal, so same mount? wah lame x-x

[bold condor]

In fact, it's implied not even all of the red masks are Convocation reincarnations.

[severe brook]

somewhere in Amaurot there's just a room full of shoddy memory crystals that are just emet's voice repeating "You work for us" over and over

[clever flume]

there's 3 new rewards for unreal, two accessories and a minion

[bold condor]

Some of them are just black masks they uplifted with the Constellation Crystals.

[torpid yoke]

@severe brook i made the meme

[vital brook]

I think they did explain it in SMN's questline too

[clever flume]

are the new stuff

[severe brook]

nice

[cursive thistle]

any of them sellable?

[mighty light]

What if Fandaniel

[torpid yoke]

also this one

[clever flume]

minion is

[clever flume]

@prisma spade a meme for you

[bold condor]

Emmerololth: dies
Emet-Selch: ah shit. okay, who wants to be Emmerololth?
male-model Ascian: i do
Emet-Selch: congrats, you are now Emmerololth, Holy Queen.
male-model Ascian: is happy

[vital topaz]

Are black masks not actually Amaroutians, but just some random toms dicks and harrys taken from various city states because they found out the job came with badass black and purple robes and a cool mask?

[bold condor]

To be honest only 3 Ascians out of the entire order are Amaurotine.

[prisma spade]

excellent

I accept your offering

[bold condor]

The rest are no more Amaurotine than you, Gaia, Ryne, or Arenvald.

[prisma spade]

you die last

[torpid yoke]

wait him or me?

[clever flume]

totally me

[mighty light]

Dibs on first

[vital topaz]

Do you need White Auracite to kill Kael?

[torpid yoke]

WH-

[prisma spade]

No

Kael is squishy

[subtle pasture]

White auracite was merely a setback

[clever flume]

You should've pinged yen yourself, then you would've been last :p

[torpid yoke]

i fear pinging mods for no reason

[clever flume]

they have humour....somtimes

[mighty light]

Gotta feel like getting pinged from this channel for a fun reason for once has to be nice, sometimes

[vital topaz]

Are you afraid of pinging Yen because he's green? That's colorist!

[bold condor]

mods when you ping them: FOR A THOUSAND YEARS HAVE I SLUMBERED, WHO DARES AWAKEN ME?

[severe brook]

okay so back to Rom's theoretical over the top Ascian Job Mentor for Reaper
which greek god and/or convocation role were you thinking for them?

[torpid yoke]

what if i told you i was color blind?

[bold condor]

none, it's not an unsundered, and they're a defector.

[torpid yoke]

im not but like i could have been

[mighty light]

The original--what's her face; the person Odin saved

[bold condor]

there's no reason for them to attach themselves to a fake identity, and I'm not even thinking they're a red mask.

I think it's way cooler if a black mask goes all Shadowhunter.

[mighty light]

Yeah

[subtle pasture]

it's not so much as the mods are asleep as it is that part of pride rock the sun doesn't touch.

which leaves us lore mentors the hyenas, of course.

[cursive thistle]

can you not sell the spriggan earrings/paissa ring?

[bold condor]

Maybe they make vague mention to a hero they knew on their own world who was like you.

[torpid yoke]

i just fear bothering someone

[mighty light]

Can I be that one single-celled organism that hunts shrimp

[royal scroll]

[torpid yoke]

its the same reason i never message people first

[bold condor]

Turns out they're actually from the Seventh and were friends with your fragment from there, but you don't learn that until the level 90 quest.

[clever flume]

they're unsellable/untradeable

[torpid yoke]

then they never message me first and i talk to no one :')

[subtle pasture]

I guess that makes Yen Scar then

[cursive thistle]

gotcha @clever flume

[clever flume]

/pat i understand that feeling.

[severe brook]

so we just need one mod to defect and lead us to greatness

[torpid yoke]

anyways if it is a scythe i want it to be from mhach

[bold condor]

Eh.

[torpid yoke]

mainly because i want void magic

[vital topaz]

I think one of my favorite jokey spins on things Yen has made was the one where Yen will hand out bans to people like Oprah Winfrey hands out cars.

[subtle pasture]

MHACHI TEMPLAR MHACHI TEMPLAR MHACHI TEM-- shot down

[mighty light]

If we get void magic it'll be part of BLM

[vital topaz]

That shit was funny

[bold condor]

Mhach has little to nothing to do with scythes. But if I had my way, then I'd choose to make the mentor from the Thirteenth.

[torpid yoke]

or one other place but i can not remember the place i was thinking of

[mighty light]

This'd be a good way to integrate that idea about a sect of Mhachi Voidmages who escaped into the Void during the 6th

[subtle pasture]

See but a mhachi martial type with all their edgy hot-topic aesthetic--

[mighty light]

The scythe techniques being what they used to survive there

[clever flume]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/805257571539484754.png

[torpid yoke]

really what i want is pet job that not a pet job

[turbid aspen]

edge potato

[bold condor]

Escaped into the...

[torpid yoke]

thats all i ask QuQ

[pine epoch]

I feel bad that I was gone all day. Yesterday wiped me out cause of staying up effectively 24 hours

[bold condor]

[mighty light]

You can't stop me

[clever flume]

sounds like weakness to me

[bold condor]

[vital topaz]

Time for me to drink water again

[subtle pasture]

tbf they did perfect- er, almost perfected- an actual airship that could physically travel the void,

[vital topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-in-black-shirt-thirsty-overflow-hexen-so-gif-11884310

[bold condor]

No they didn't.

[subtle pasture]

we have no record of people making such a leap aboard the vessel but that is what it was meant to do

[bold condor]

The Ark was powered by voidsent, it did not travel the void.

[torpid yoke]

Plus they could tie scythes to mhach if they wanted to

[severe brook]

Mhach as the root of Reaper but with another group bringing it into the modern era could be interesting, if they had Amdapor be the root of Sage and Sharlayan developing it into its modern state

or something like that

[torpid yoke]

Just have another sect of mhach be it

[subtle pasture]

did it not rend a voidgate after VA and go through it?

[bold condor]

Wild ass idea I just had

[mighty light]

Diabalos did that

[bold condor]

Origin y'all wouldn't have ever thought of

So in the second lorebook they mention how there's a bunch of cults rising in the Far East dedicated to Nhaama

[severe brook]

i mean for sake of parallelism i think that it should be developed by a new society from mhachi stuff

[torpid yoke]

mhm

[bold condor]

What if the scythe job is from the Nhaama Desert and is Xaela-related?

With elaborate, full-body robes and masks representing a tribe that shuns the sun and reveres the moon.

Kagon tribe moonscythe.

[torpid yoke]

somehow they learned how to use the underworld like hades Kappa

[severe brook]

could be neat

[subtle pasture]

ah, nvm, it didn't make a gate for the whole ship, but for Diabolos and Scathach's coffin. I earnestly remembered the whole thing going through it.

[bold condor]

I mean the Xaela have a lot of powerful magic.

[torpid yoke]

can they be a "pet" job? :)

[bold condor]

The only pet here is you.

[torpid yoke]

i really need to learn no untag

[torpid yoke]

i curse you with the new melee being dragon based like dragoon

You caused this rommy

[severe brook]

Vritra is the new Mentor

[turbid aspen]

the edgy xaela we deserve

[severe brook]

has just been living in Gelmorra the whole time

[deft burrow]

Ascian @bold condor

[turbid aspen]

more eorzean dragons zzzzzzz

[severe brook]

shows up in Gridania, offers to teach people how to wield scythes

[bold condor]

Y'all just need to praise the moon.

[torpid yoke]

guys i think rommys tempered

[turbid aspen]

walking oven mitt

[severe brook]

you're going to look very silly when the moon blows up at the end of the year

[deft burrow]

LOL

[deft burrow]

Praise the moo-

[torpid yoke]

Anyways stan scythe golbez

[bold condor]

Sounds like anti-moon heresy.

Golbez is from the moon. I still win.

[torpid yoke]

fck

[torpid yoke]

Stan soul eater character thats not from soul eater

[deft burrow]

Edgy au'ra waifus come with a chance of moonism

[mighty light]

AF1 extremely good

[severe brook]

i still feel like the Scythe Job will have a stance system somehow
switching between elegant spins and twirls, and heavy two-handed strokes

would help distinguish it from dragoon visually

[torpid yoke]

to really distinguish it from dragoon they could make them use the double sided blades that garanth uses

[subtle pasture]

https://youtu.be/EbCIKK2EFOQ?t=3125
this be the bit I was misremembering, thought Diabolos was able to send the Ark through it. Still a huge ass void tear

[deft burrow]

Scythe POWER

[torpid yoke]

i feel like he could if he wanted to and waited long enough

[subtle pasture]

--they really had some insane cinematography going on in this raid

[bold condor]

Yeah but it's not made to travel through the void because that would be suicidal.

[torpid yoke]

and had more power for the ark

[bold condor]

You can't survive in the void very long without protection (though time is kind of fucky in there).

[radiant ice]

Is there a mount for doing the lvl 70 raids as blu?

[deft burrow]

Man HW was so good, Void Ark, Alexander, Dragons

[vital topaz]

You have no idea how badly I want a Soken remix of Golbez, Clad in Darkness. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkg95LqqkZ0

[torpid yoke]

no

[subtle pasture]

...wonder why Mhach still added a void-tearing laser to the front of the ark, then again that part was chained up.

[mighty light]

You'd need shielding to survive in the Void for any length of time
Shielding that the Void Ark could
Theoretically support, if it were heavily modified by, say, Garland Ironworks

[subtle pasture]

prob was just meant as a weapon than a door-opener, I suppose