retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[vital brook]

it's hella cute on other colors

[open verge]

There was no fight that wiped my alliance for more then 1 pull in all of nier

[dim sigil]

Half the party was dead for red girl and released cuz they thought it was a wipe cuz everyone wlse was in the hacking mini game

[gaunt star]

the first boss was awful day 1 but now red girl is awful xd

[strange wing]

I really want a copy of the music for the first phase of the last boss.

[paper dagger]

That minigame has to be absolutely JARRING for anyone who didn't play Automata

[strange wing]

As it should, the lameos

[gaunt star]

my party had a healer than spammed a macro on almost every heal

[torpid yoke]

Maybe the player base is better these days...... or they made them easier so people don't complain

[viscid monolith]

We almost wiped on Red Girl but heal LBs saved us

[torpid yoke]

Probably the latter

[paper dagger]

LIkely a combination of factors. Plus with Duty finder you're going to get a mix of skill levels so it helps pull people through.

[open verge]

Mix of both is possible

[dim sigil]

Esp first few days

[paper dagger]

We actually wound up not wiping on Red Girl becuase I accidentally queued as Paladin instead of Warrior and I was able to clemency my party when the healers spent a lot of the fight dead/low on mana

[open verge]

It’s probably hard to make challenging content when players have seen all the mechanics somewhere before

[viscid monolith]

I want more bosses like Rathalos

[paper dagger]

Silly mechanics and complete chaos?

I can dig it

[viscid monolith]

Yes and no aggro

[gaunt star]

SoS is interesting because alot of the mechs involved are things that we've already seen before but just combo'd together

[viscid monolith]

The boss does whatever it wants in no set order, no tanking, and telegraphs

[open verge]

Rath style would work very well for savage dungeons

I wonder if capcom would let them alter the rath model and reuse it

Reuse it for other rath variants

[torpid yoke]

It definitely has telegraphs

[paper dagger]

Capcom would probably rather push busty goth amazon lady as their next crossover with SE

[torpid yoke]

Unless you mean aoe markers

[viscid monolith]

Ya I meant that

[gaunt star]

I like bosses that make you have to look at what the boss is doing in order to avoid mechs, not have the boss doing a thing while also having an aoe

Having to read the bosses tells makes it fun =w=

[paper dagger]

I like that as well, the only thing I wonder is accessibility issues for gamers with vision issues (Colorblind, etc). There's options to ease that for the markers, don't know how well that works for visual tells. BUt if it's not an issue, it would be nice to bring back. They've had bosses like that before (The dragons that do charges/swipes/firebreath/tail swips, all with visual cues).

[torpid yoke]

That's why they take away most aoe markers in savage and ex. Normal mode has to be accessible to everyone so they get more markers

[paper dagger]

Ohhh really? Never done Savage and rarely do current EX so didn't know that was a thing

[gaunt star]

Has there ever been a time when someone said an EX or Savage was too hard?

[torpid yoke]

Are we counting coils?

[paper dagger]

You'll always get some in any content, I think what you mean is "Enough of the community that it probably does mean it's too hard...", that I don't know.

[dim sigil]

Only like Faust or w.e

Is all im aware of

[jolly sierra]

gordias comes to mind

[subtle pasture]

Gordias had bad tuning

[jolly sierra]

a3s

[gaunt star]

Oooh mkay

[torpid yoke]

Alexander was uh. Something

[gaunt star]

Bepisman

[paper dagger]

There are points even the hardcore communities think certain stuff is nuts.

Usually if the people who ENJOY smashing their heads against the wall say it's too much, you probably did go overboard. Last time I saw a massive amount of that was the Gates of Discord days in EQ. That was a shitshow.

[gaunt star]

I'm sad I never got to experience pre-nerf Shinryu

Was he that bad?

[paper dagger]

I did Uqua AFTER the nerf and I still wanted to shiv someone during the raid.

[heady shadow]

he wasnt bad

people were just stupid

[carmine basin]

What did they nerf

[gaunt star]

Idk what they nerfed exactly but people kept saying he was nerfed

The only difficult mechanic is tidal wave :/

[torpid yoke]

Are instead of were

[dim sigil]

Steps of Faith being so easy now is kind of disappointing

She dies before it even gets like halfway

[unreal gale]

Heyo, does anyone know what 'Obtain salvage in the Copied Factory (0/2)' means? I just ran the raid, and I didn't get any 'salvage' from it. My bad if it's already been asked; I tried searching keywords, but nothing popped up.

[dim sigil]

you have to go into the area not the raid itself

[gaunt star]

^

[pulsar yacht]

One weekly equipment drop, and one weekly always obtained coin

[dim sigil]

Where you picked up the lore text things

[gaunt star]

I made that mistake too

[carmine basin]

Looking it up, it was more like ppl asking it to be nerfed. I think echo + level sync makes it easier now

[gaunt star]

Oooooh okies

[pulsar yacht]

So if have cleared but not got any equipment itll show 1/2

[vapid cape]

Im going to call it. Zenos new weapon is a glaive

[carmine basin]

Paissa I think they're about weekly quest. Helpful info tho regardless

[empty marlin]

What if it’s a staff

[gaunt star]

It's a stick

[unreal gale]

Ohh, I see! Thanks a bunch, I was so confused.

[night aurora]

So will he start spouting about VENGEANCE?

[pulsar yacht]

Oh derp. The salvage weekly os just go to copied factory exploring not the instance and interacting with smal bodies

[vapid cape]

I AM MY HUNT

[empty marlin]

Man I want that dude dead already lmao

[vapid cape]

so

will zenos blast zodiark with eye lasers too?

[empty marlin]

Oh I thought he’d merge with zodiark or something

[night aurora]

You mean Hydalein

[vapid cape]

im making a wow joke

Zenos weapon: hammer and sickle

[empty marlin]

Merge with hyda?

[vapid cape]

GLORIOUS COMMUNISM JOB. SEIZE THE MEANS OF RAID UPTIME

[empty marlin]

OK BUT

[gusty quest]

https://tenor.com/view/marx-marxism-communism-intesifies-funny-gif-16697750

[empty marlin]

Time to speculate

Who who whoooo or what is this👀

[gusty quest]

It's WoL's mom come to tell them they're a disappointment

[carmine basin]

I found it funny people kept speculating that one of the alliance leaders is gonna die this patch and the one closer to dying isn't part of it

[severe brook]

possibly ejected Venat, what with them talking about how no one's heard Hydaelyn actually speak for herself in quite some time

[empty marlin]

So we into milfs huh

[carmine basin]

This is why I don't like how people keep bringing up death as plot

[gusty quest]

👀 THE JIG IS UP!!

https://tenor.com/view/run-away-run-escape-chase-leave-gif-4927885

[spice vessel]

The flesh towers were breathing

[empty marlin]

Hmmm

I hunger for more

[empty marlin]

Shame

[mighty light]

Has the fog in the Copied Factory always been gone on the revisit?

[candid pewter]

do we know what the armor sets in the nier tower raid look like

[gusty quest]

We do indeed

[mighty light]

Cuz like
It's so pretty without it

[candid pewter]

is there a link to an album or something?

[torpid yoke]

Inb4 venat has been wandering around Ilsabard or meracydia since HW

[carmine basin]

https://i.redd.it/d8zeti9xg3t61.png

[vital brook]

Fending and Maiming only good ones boi

[balmy mesa]

btw someone created the Palgth'an sets in one pic
https://i.redd.it/e9dsr6bum6t61.png

[paper dagger]

I do like that the Healer/Caster ones are the Devola/Popola

[dim sigil]

I can confirm headpieces work on bunny by the way

[open verge]

Paglthan not being dyable is so annoying

[mighty light]

Oh there's a massive difference between male and female raid drops again, and the male drops are what I'd prefer on my female character
Welp

[balmy mesa]

probably will have a dyable version in EW

[pine epoch]

I'm sad we cant get the Male version of the yorha gear on females

I love the bullet vest on males. The male outfit is perfect garb for military

[mighty light]

The male fending outfit is also just
Extremely good

[pine epoch]

Make a Venom Snake looking outfit

[visual spade]

Cultist attire

[balmy mesa]

the striking pants are cool though, perfect for a slutglam

or going full barbarian

[torpid yoke]

This is our prize for not having so many male characters in automata

[balmy mesa]

I expect them to do replica versions of this dungeon gear next expansion (like 6.3 maybe)

[dim sigil]

Itll be recolored and role swapped in some later dungoen

[ivory wolf]

I really like the striking armor for the Nier stuff.

makes me happy I accidentally greed'd for it my first run when I was playing Black Mage and somehow got it.

[pine epoch]

The amaljaa dungeon armor probably going to be leveling armor for 6.0

[gaunt star]

defo

another nier raid another dissapointment inc

[strange wing]

I'm not sure what you are expect. Ending A is like this for every Taro game.

[gaunt star]

i talk about getting my chest piece, im already familiar with yoko taros writing so im not dissapointed by the story when i already know what to expect

[iron scaffold]

So...were going to Sharlyan as predicted

[strange wing]

Ah I see. Just a lot of hot takes about "dissapointing raid seires"

[pine epoch]

There was no ending a-e nonsense for yorha dark apocalypse. If you wanna compare things to endings. Copied factory was A, puppets bunker was B, tower was c/d

[placid sail]

what if at the end of Endwalker we see "FFXIV - Ending [A]"

[teal geyser]

oh no

[gaunt star]

oh no

[strange wing]

Although seeing how I was lost and or bored for most of Ivalice I feel perfectly smug at all the people confused or let down.

[placid sail]

and 6.1 is us starting again at ARR, but on path [B]

[paper dagger]

:: Do you want to delete your character to help other players? ::

[placid sail]

hah you are on your own

[gaunt star]

what if we die in 6.0 and we are promted to start over

[strange wing]

Ending A: [A] Warrior of Light

[pine epoch]

6.0 ends with the world ending and we wake up in the carriage from 2.0 and realize it was all a dream

[cinder badger]

Go back a little further

[torpid yoke]

Inb4 they turn into multiple endings after the letter

[vital topaz]

@teal geyser https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fuGyn-gmsc

[serene crest]

You’re finally awake

[paper dagger]

No, even better... We wake up at Cartenau in 1.x armor with that creepy ass version of Answers playing.

[carmine basin]

Just do bioshock infinite ending

[placid sail]

we have to send the crystal tower back to a different moment in time every timeline

[cinder badger]

We actually wake up at the beginning of 1.0

[teal geyser]

Would watch it but not finished Werlyt it

[strange wing]

Id rather have the Bioshock 2 ending. The good one

[placid sail]

a 1.0 revisited expansion could be neat, but storywise it'd be a mess

[severe brook]

we're just going to keep passing that video around for the rest of the week aren't we

[placid sail]

it would be Warlords of Draenor level convoluted

[cinder badger]

@placid sail wings of the goddess did it better

[vital topaz]

Wait I'm not the only one who shared that?

[spiral mica]

keep time travel to a minimum

lest you fuck your own story beyond repair

[vital topaz]

Was Louisoix spell at the end of 1.0 Time Travel?

[paper dagger]

Yes, but only forward

[vital topaz]

or just YEET into the aetherial stream for 5 years?

[paper dagger]

I mean... same thing

[placid sail]

it could've also been some kind of stasis spell

[spiral mica]

could have also been like, stasis

just "pause" them for 5 years

[cinder badger]

Not we should totally do something similar to Final Fantasy XI abyssea

[paper dagger]

Only different in statis is wondering what someone did to your magically rigid body during the intervening years while you stood there.

[spiral mica]

POCKET DIMENSIONS

[cinder badger]

Traveling to an alternate Eorzea in which the Ascians succeeded in the Ardor

[placid sail]

it was perfect alexander's temporal prison

[vital topaz]

How would you feel if Varis lived when Zenos stabbed him?

[paper dagger]

He did. He didn't die until he was slashed.

[spiral mica]

LMAO

[vital topaz]

I know we fight him in Bozja, but it aint the same

I wanted revenge. Now I just feel robbed like Koryu

[paper dagger]

YEah, but now we get to open our next fight with "Asshole, I beat your GRANDDADDY so bad he manipulated space-time to let me beat his friends ass so he wouldn't feel as ashamed... you think YOU worry me now?"

[candid pewter]

technically not his granddad, just took the appearance of him iirc

[paper dagger]

Nah, Emet was Solus. It's confirmed in the additional lore on the site

[vital topaz]

I'm also dissapointed that the real Zenos had no interractions with his grandfather

[spiral mica]

this

would have been interesting

[indigo shale]

I feel how he died made it not so bad we didnt direct fight him, finding out your grandsire is an ascian, then having your dead son possessed by ascian, who then proceeds to get retaken over by that dead son, only to be killed by him because hes horny for the WoL, not the best set of events to go out on, just betrayal and lies at every step within the family

[paper dagger]

@candid pewter This one about halfway down. It's a solid read. https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/special/tales_from_the_shadows/sidestory_07/#sidestory_07

[severe brook]

some poor sod is going to stumble upon the splattered mess of Valens' corpse in like a week

[paper dagger]

Ohhh Zenos meeting Emet would have been hilarious, I get the feeling Emet would have told him to get fucked six ways to sunday on principle.

[spiral mica]

is there a date for part 2? or is it just "after fan fest?"

[forest magnet]

after fan fest before june

[vital topaz]

In fact, most of the time, there is no more than 1 ascian on the screen at any gven time

[forest magnet]

of course zenos has met emet

[dim sigil]

Hes met soulus but not really emet

[paper dagger]

Right, that's what I would like to see.

[torpid yoke]

That we know of

[vital topaz]

What kinds of things did Valens do to Allie?

[heady shadow]

wait wouldnt zenos be great grandson?

[torpid yoke]

My bet is the 27th

[torpid yoke]

Yes

[indigo shale]

I dont think zenos would really care what emet is anyway, as long as he can try and get a good fight

[vital topaz]

I don't think there's a model for Old Man Solus yet, is there?

[serene crest]

There is

[heady shadow]

there is

[bold condor]

hahahaa

ahahahaahaahahaa ramuh beard varis

[serene crest]

You see him for literally two seconds and he's far away so you can't tell that it's just Varis with Ramuh's beard stapled on

[vital topaz]

When does that happen?

[bold condor]

Save the Queen

[heady shadow]

Bozja

[serene crest]

Bozja. Get to work Knight

[vital topaz]

DAYUM, THERE'S A LOTTA LORE IN THERE WTF

[heady shadow]

ye gotta do the ivalice raids to unlock it too

[vital topaz]

Already done that

[heady shadow]

Wine. I hated that quest

[dim sigil]

I miss the red chocobo slaughter

[vital topaz]

I wonder how that Ivalice Red Chocobo quest to unlock the Ridorana Lighthouse went

[serene crest]

It was a massacre. Good times.

[vital topaz]

The "Bozjan Appetizer"

[iron scaffold]

Bodies after bodies of fallen adventurers

[gentle temple]

Such detestation

[heady shadow]

oh fuck

[vital topaz]

Also, I HATE how Bozja is pronounced Bozia and not Bozjah

[open verge]

Diamond theme grew on me

[heady shadow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqcyQAjPEC0

[dim sigil]

Boyz uh

[serene crest]

Hrothlore and names are based on Slavic languages so it makes sense.

[vital topaz]

Are there Red Chocobos in Bozja itself?

[dim sigil]

Theres a ce of it

[serene crest]

THE red chocobo is in Bozja.

[bold condor]

Come to think of it, isn't it linguistically more common for a j to make the y or h sound?

[paper dagger]

Usually referred to as "Murderbird" with various swearing in front of or after that name

Mind you, I LIKE Murderbird now but the first experience is defintiely a "WTF IS GOING OOOOOOOONNNN"

[heady shadow]

ah yes the ||Red Comet Char is in bozja||

[gentle temple]

I actually hung around got a while after I finally cleared it to raise other failures XD.
There were a bunch of people farming the good samaritan achievement iirc

[cinder badger]

I want to make a sea wolf Viking

[paper dagger]

I usually do if I"m just farming and didn't have an essence up, if I saw murderbird and didn't feel like farting around with it, I'd let others join and wait outside. Get a bunch of rezzes

[dim sigil]

It doesn't help at least for me there is General lag during CEs so makes stuff like red chocobo harder

[cinder badger]

With Warrior as the main job and tattoos on the face

[wet crown]

I still don't fully get why a medley of Kainé's theme is used for Her Inflorescenes.

[paper dagger]

Best part about the red choco's though is being an FFT fan, as soon as you see one you go into a second of shock as you have flashbacks

[balmy mesa]

ooh, emergency maintenance tonight

the crafters in my FC are having withdrawals from not being able to world hop

[dim sigil]

Tommrow night

Unless it got moved up

[torpid yoke]

Just use reflect

[torpid yoke]

Yes but the normal one's aren't as evil as the ce one

[balmy mesa]

yeah it's this evening
Apr. 15, 2021 12:00 a.m. to 3:00 a.m. (PDT)

4pm-7pm JST

[maiden lodge]

Yes given that a j is just i with more effort.

English and french are kinda odd ones out here.

[balmy mesa]

what bugs me, though, is when people call it Bozjan

[timber lichen]

wait which day in the crystarium??

i dont remember that

[gaunt star]

its the first one

[torpid yoke]

I mean english is a trash language anyways so of course It'd be

[timber lichen]

oh

[serene crest]

5.2 when Eli did the thing

[indigo shale]

5.2 i think is the reference, when elidibert was doing his shit, but not actual direct conversation so wouldnt count anyway

[balmy mesa]

English likes to mug other languages in dark alleyways for their vocabulary

[maiden lodge]

Neither is strictly correct anyways

[wet crown]

Why? The Antitower thing was in 3.2

oh wait, that was minfillia

[torpid yoke]

The correct choice is surprisingly 3

[maiden lodge]

yeeeesss, and they even clarify

[wet crown]

Actually. Isn't it in 3.0?

[teal geyser]

Well when you say that Y'shtola takes that as when your blessing was restored which my issue with that is it's not that close to the end of the war? Idk time bubble sucks.

Also with 3.2 yeah they seem to not really be counting that even if Minfilia was more being spoken through rather than being the speaker like 3.4+

[timber lichen]

i figured talking to minfilia was basically talking to hydaelyn since theyre like fused or whatever

[maiden lodge]

Yeah they really mean -directly- which they're using to ponder whether Hydaelyn is ok

[subtle pasture]

Was that in HW or 3.X, when the Blessing was full restored

[wet crown]

3.0

[teal geyser]

After speaking to Tiamat

[drowsy belfry]

tbf with 3.2 we went to HER, Hydaelyn hasn't contacted us personally since 3.0

[maiden lodge]

I don't even think Hydaelyn talked to us in 3.0, we just got the icon spinny thing back

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, I thought it was in Azys Lla-- tbf, with its 1000 year run time, everything in the bubble -is- near the Dragonsong War's end

[teal geyser]

No she did

She talks to us about how we got our blessing again by overcoming trials etc

[gaunt star]

glory to the empire 🧟

[teal geyser]

It was very clearly her directly speaking to us

[subtle pasture]

but still weird to call the battle at Azys Lla "near its end" when that shit still heckled us for a few more "months"

[wet crown]

Eh.

[maiden lodge]

I mean the war was 1000 years long, pretty much anything after we show up is 'towards the end'

[subtle pasture]

I suppose it's calling putting down Thordan's end of things the "end,"

[vital topaz]

Why does Optimized Ultima look weaker than the Ultima that UW casted?

[wet crown]

I have a theory why Hydaelyn is dead silent right now but...

cough Trailer...

[subtle pasture]

Optimization can be about energy efficiency, like how thaumaturgy is "efficient" black magic

[vital topaz]

I dont think Zenos ate Hydaelyn, He's going to eat Zodiark

[subtle pasture]

magic optimized for personal pool castin', so on

[wet crown]

wha? no, not that

[torpid yoke]

Nah pondering if she's EVILLLLL

[bold condor]

XD Zenos literally learned Hydaelyn existed in 5.0, Knight.

[gaunt star]

what if Hydaelyn is just a broken radio that broadcasts “Think. Feel. Hear.” now

[wet crown]

I know someone in here didn't watch the trailer, so I will keep quite

[teal geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpson-bush-hide-bye-gif-16150806

[drowsy belfry]

What did they change about the 80 Summoner quest btw?

[balmy mesa]

What if she changes her saying to Live. Laugh. Love.

[gaunt star]

5.5 trailer?

[drowsy belfry]

I haven't bothered checking

[subtle pasture]

Oh right they did say it was tweaked, wasn't it.

[vital topaz]

Balloon Pop sound.

[maiden lodge]

Probably the Arenvald-related parts

[balmy mesa]

No direct interaction with Arenvald anymore

[drowsy belfry]

WHAT

[bold condor]

WHAT

[gaunt star]

that would be the moment I’ll become the next Emet-Selch

[subtle pasture]

:O

[maiden lodge]

9000!

[wet crown]

WHAT

[bold condor]

Oh god I'm glad I did those before the patch, holy shit.

[drowsy belfry]

So the Quest is even fucking more useless?????

[torpid yoke]

Pics or it didn't happen

[maiden lodge]

No? Because it relates directly to things that are current in the MSQ?

[subtle pasture]

Like why tho, the quest references their Tales from the Storm

[teal geyser]

Smug cat

[balmy mesa]

basically they removed one of the quest objectives completely which is why they asked everyone to restart it if they had it open

[subtle pasture]

their joint Tale from the Storm

[gaunt star]

what?! I am leveling SMN now at level 78

[maiden lodge]

Cause Arenvald is checks on him not awake right now?

[teal geyser]

Dw guys just turn on NG+, go back a little bit, and do the level 80 quest, easy

I that'd work

[bold condor]

So what? That quest takes place in 5.0. It's not like they remove Estinien from the ARR DRG quests...

[gaunt star]

phew. Saved the day.

[subtle pasture]

but the quest is set before 5.5

[drowsy belfry]

"Oh hey this random dude wants to talk to you about being a Summoner, also welcome back from the First haha"
"Okay"
"Man isn't being a Summoner fucking cool"

[bold condor]

random dude

[maiden lodge]

Like I dunno, has anyone actually done the summoner quest since then?

[bold condor]

Dude you literally met him in the previous set of quests.

[gaunt star]

sidequests are weird. I am doing primal quests now after ShB and it sure is immersion breaking seeing Urianger in Waking Sands

[dim sigil]

Does this give further evidence that he is going to be actually dead

[wet crown]

Not really.

[dim sigil]

Rather does it only change if you get through 5.5

[gaunt star]

Arenvald will live. Have faith 🙏

[dim sigil]

Or is it just in general

[wet crown]

Oh gosh, the monkey's paw. We traded Arenvald for G'hara.

[teal geyser]

Lose a leeeeg

[teal geyser]

Not worth

[maiden lodge]

WAIT

[wet crown]

Worth it.

[subtle pasture]

--oh cool the 80 quests are a standalone NG+ chapter

[wet crown]

Sry Alphinaud but I will keep the crystal kitten.

[subtle pasture]

I will SEE the REDONE SMN 80 RIGHT NOW

[drowsy belfry]

Meant more in context to Summoner 80 being MSQ relevant according to Dis

[wet crown]

make screenshots

[maiden lodge]

I figured it out. Arenvald escaped the purge of the waking sands, Ifrit was just being completionist for based Garlemald

[wet crown]

so I can go to bed right after

[balmy mesa]

They probably wanted to avoid another Nanamo situation

[gaunt star]

any idea where he was when it happened?

[bold condor]

There is no "Nanamo situation"

Who the hell completes all of base MSQ ARR and then chooses to level CUL to 50 before resolving that plot in 2021?

[maiden lodge]

Arenvald still shows up in the Journal as the guy you talk to as a quest objective

[vital topaz]

Your mother

[balmy mesa]

uh, well...

[bold condor]

How dare you talk about Hydaelyn that way?

[wet crown]

Our holy mother.

We are her chosen champion.

[drowsy belfry]

Stop you'll summon the Hydaelyn simp

[bold condor]

You better hear this real quick, you're gonna feel five across the face, and then you'll think twice.

[maiden lodge]

simpness must be purged

[wet crown]

[vital topaz]

If Hydaelyn is Crystalmommy, is Zodiark the Crystaldaddy that said he was going to get milk and never came back?

[bold condor]

change the name of the emote to smugsahi

[wet crown]

good idea

[vital topaz]

Is the Hydaelyn simp the one that posts weird fetish art of the scions?

[wet crown]

[maiden lodge]

I'm the wrong guy to ask

[teal geyser]

Not that I know but I want to see this art now

[maiden lodge]

I have a blinder for that kind of crazy

[dim sigil]

Macaroni and cheese or macaroni and beef

[wet crown]

why not all three?

[subtle pasture]

oh wait can just compare the diff versions on Garland, too

[vital topaz]

Oh yeah, you're too busy destroying people in #archived-lore-spoilers with facts and logic, how careless of me.

[subtle pasture]

seems it's also updated to reflect Mithra talking to her sister post 5.3?

[maiden lodge]

No I'm busy trying to get finals done and then get this Diamond kill in my pocket

[subtle pasture]

or, just, happy to hear she's "okay" wherever she is

[drowsy belfry]

Nah that was there already

[vital topaz]

Good think I graduated technical college a few weeks ago

[teal geyser]

and also destroying people with facts and logics

[vital topaz]

with a 3.22 GPA

[drowsy belfry]

Weird flex but okay

[maiden lodge]

ahaha

[gaunt star]

Diamond weapon is still a headache on crystal

[vital topaz]

I want to do Emerald Weapon EX one day

[wet crown]

are RPers killing themselves over Diamond?

[pine epoch]

What do you mean?

[gaunt star]

Rpers are jumping off the platform instead of standing still for the portal

[subtle pasture]

here's a part of it I was confused on, since the old version drops the 2nd journal entry to repeat the "YEAH DROP THIS FOOL" text

[gaunt star]

Not stacking, not spreading, general not paying attention to basic mechs

[vital topaz]

Wtf..but you have to clear DW normal to access extreme.

[gaunt star]

I mean ex

Normal mode diamond is a joke

[subtle pasture]

biggest issue I've seen in EX so far was people not knowing where to go on Auri arts or how to split for Flood Ray

also FAILING TO DODGE THE BITS

[urban turret]

...hey i need to TALK ABOUT SOME THOUGHTS

[subtle pasture]

but bit vulns don't kill, at least.

[vital topaz]

Emerald Weapon EX I wouldnt care how much I die because Phase 2 Music is too fuckin good

Why did Gaius drop the van in his name

[serene crest]

It's an imperial title

Since he's no longer with the Empire, he doesn't have the title anymore.

[vital topaz]

Should Gaius get a new set of armor now instead of his Legatus armor or should he stay in those raggedy Bloodborne hunter type wear?

[serene crest]

See Lucia Junius, Cid Garlond, and Nero Scaeva.

[wet crown]

so is that all that's changed about the quest?

[balmy mesa]

just that you don't interact with him directly as one of the objectives

[subtle pasture]

yeah, it added the guard interaction it seems

[wet crown]

...odd

[vital topaz]

Gaius doesnt take off his helmet in ARR, does he?

[severe brook]

no

we never saw his face until the Shadowhunter reveal

[vital topaz]

I wonder if they fully model people with Legatus armor, as in, they have a face underneath

[subtle pasture]

And then changes meetign with Arenvald to a wait by the aetheryte,

[vital brook]

Bro, my feels

[vital topaz]

You thought Feelsbringers was done with you? WRONG!

Hell, I wouldnt be suprised if there's one more Feelsbringers moment in .55 with all the death that is supposedly gonna happen

[balmy mesa]

I just feel like we're gonna get completely emotionally rekt in 5.55

[deft burrow]

Or no death at all

[balmy mesa]

though we did just have that with Werlyt, so idk

[maiden lodge]

Gaius's ARR model does have someone under. Not the face we've come to know, but yeah.

[balmy mesa]

He uses a highlander model doesn't he

[vital topaz]

Probably because they hadnt decided on what he would actually look like yet

[maiden lodge]

yeh

[vital topaz]

Bruh, did you read the Patch name?

[drowsy belfry]

I mean you watch a fuck ton of dudes die in the dungeon alone Knight

[balmy mesa]

I don't think they actually thought about how they would do his redemption arc until SB was being written

[vital topaz]

Those are randos tho

[deft burrow]

Bruh there was Reflections in Crystal and I didn't see any reflections

[drowsy belfry]

So? Still death

[maiden lodge]

Well... he didn't have a redemption arc... or an arc... until he was written

[teal geyser]

Hey I didn't get to rewrite the future in 5.4 smh

[deft burrow]

Yeha

[drowsy belfry]

Yeah in 5.1 I didn't get to take any Vows of Virtue

[dim sigil]

I saw it as 5.3 was the rewritten future this is where it really brancjes off timeline wise from the other

[vital topaz]

So, if there is no death of important characters in 5.5, could someone sue SE for false advertising? (This is a joke.)

[balmy mesa]

ya, that's what I mean, they didn't think about bringing him back until they started writing the overarching story for SB

[turbid aspen]

i got pixelated crystals instead of reflective crystals

[drowsy belfry]

Hell in 2.5 I didn't fall once

[subtle pasture]

wait hold on, is the change...

[vital brook]

seeing this made me feel weird

[drowsy belfry]

Far Edge of Fate? More like Border of Gridania of Fate

[turbid aspen]

allie is so smol

[dim sigil]

Most au ra woman are

[subtle pasture]

hm, nvm, Garland's data for the quest skipped the entire Fordola dialogue

so I figured it meant it was voiced, but nah

[vital topaz]

I wonder how Richard Epcar would have done with Gaius if they let him stay after ARR...

[balmy mesa]

I think the quest is messed up on garland atm

[teal geyser]

SUCH DEVESTATION

[turbid aspen]

BY THE ELDER GODS

[dim sigil]

Probably more like his calmer ansem voice

[subtle pasture]

It is, but Garland also excludes voiced cutscenes from quest dialogue bc it's coded different, so when I saw Garland excluded the Fordola scene, I got hopeful it was now voiced,

seems the only diff is adding the "wait at the Aetheryte" and "talk to the guard"

[urban turret]

ok so like.

||In the trailer we saw the following Lunar Primals: Bahamut, Ifrit, Ravana, and Odin.
We also, in patch, see how lunar primals are created: a bunch of worshipers put in a room summon their god to help garlemald.
Bahamut and Ifrit we know directly, they were summoned by Mercydian Dragons and Amalj'aa respectively, which makes sense
Ravana we can assume is similar but specifically in relation to the Gnath

...Odin's the weird one though. Because Odin doesn't HAVE worshipers, and is literally a SWORD created by EUREKA that warps people into Odin||

[vital topaz]

What Lunar Bahamut looked like in FF4:

What Lunar Ifrit looked like in FF4

[balmy mesa]

he was a bit chonkier in Palgth'an

[urban turret]

||How the FUCK did Fandanny make Lunar Odin||

[vital topaz]

What Lunar Odin looked like in FF4

[balmy mesa]

It could be a red herring

[vital topaz]

I still say that Zenos picked up Lunar Zantetsuken and will transform into Odin to fight us for a bit as an appetizer

[turbid aspen]

lunar odin takes off his helm and its lunar king mog

[urban turret]

LOOK FOR ALL I KNOW FANDANIEL HAS LUNAR EURKEA OR SOME SHIT. WHICH WOULD BE VERY VERY BAD.

HOW THE FUCK DID LUNAR ODIN HAPPEN WITH WHAT WE KNOW OF LUNAR PRIMALS

[drowsy belfry]

Odin's a primal, probably got some followers

[urban turret]

NOPE

Odin... is weird but there's shit there

[drowsy belfry]

Primals literally just need prayer and aether, yes some Shroud residents could've been dragged into a tower and forced to Summon Odin

[subtle pasture]

The sword itself must be bound in a tower and tempered to Garlemald, I suppose

[urban turret]

i mean i guess but it seems we need prexisting worshipers

[subtle pasture]

Odin itself is a familiar invoked by the sword, after all

[urban turret]

IF THEY FUCKING TEMPERED THE PRIMAL SWORD THEN WHAT THE FUCK

[subtle pasture]

oh, right, all you need is the wielder to already be tempered,

[drowsy belfry]

People will believe in anything, if they see a man riding a horse on top of my chest in the Shroud there's some dude going "Oh shit is that god" and start believing in Odin

[subtle pasture]

then they'll become an Odin still suscribing to the Garlemald juice

[urban turret]

god i. i just don't know what the FUCK.

[subtle pasture]

Considering how much an oddity Lunar Odin would be, I assume/hope we'll directly see the circumstances of its summoning, bc yeah, the fuck

[urban turret]

Odin's SO MUCH DIFFERENT from other primals

[subtle pasture]

Even if it is described as "yeah some Shroud folk worship that crazy dude and his horse who turn the sky grey twice a week," I just WANT THE DESCRIPTION

[iron scaffold]

that would be impossible

[urban turret]

oh i figured that was just something somone suggested

[drowsy belfry]

You could literally make Lunar Gunnhildyr if you grab some of her tempered despite the fact she's tied directly to a weapon

[subtle pasture]

Theoretically, maybe, if the wielder is already tempered before Zantetsuken makes them into a new Odin

[balmy mesa]

We just have to wait the 5-ish weeks I guess. But at least it doesn't seem like the pacing is fucked this time round

[vital topaz]

In FF4: The After Years, Lunar Odin was summoned by a Maenad and was a boss at Baron Castle during one of the story chapters, but there aint no Maenad here this time.

[iron scaffold]

but......we be so fucked if it became Zenos new Sword

[urban turret]

ok so like: ODIN CONTEXT.

[subtle pasture]

More realistically the simplest solution is more akin to a Lunar Zantetsuken having been made-- which is of almost higher concern than a pre-tempered Odin

[balmy mesa]

It's about a month to go til Fanfest

[subtle pasture]

that, or Lunar Odin just outright lacks a blade and is just a straight up a primal rather than a very powerful familiar

[urban turret]

ok But then we need to consider HOW THAT WAS MADE

[modern bluff]

I feel like the obvious answer is missing:

The towers emit the same ear spitting screech that the Amaurotine heard before everything started be get corrupted. Nothing to say whatever caused that roar isn't what summoned Odin

[iron scaffold]

Eureka

[drowsy belfry]

Pash I'm gonna keep it 💯 I genuinely think it's not that deep and there's just a tribe that worships Odin that got smacked into the Tower and is summoning Odins to protect Garlemald

[urban turret]

Eureka's fucking destroyed!

Fandanny can't just walk up and ask for a burgy

[iron scaffold]

not in my Play through

[maiden lodge]

IM going with the obvious, the point is not the worshipers, it's the not being tempered bit

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, I suppose Lunar Zantetsuken is the second simplest compaed to just straight up being a Lunar Odin primal-- to which, I hope it's some Duskwight clan who're the bound summoners

[urban turret]

odin also like. i don't think ever explicitly has tempered people besides... Odins

[iron scaffold]

It just a Sword looking for a worth weilder

[drowsy belfry]

Don't need to be tempered to summon tho, most Summons for the first time happen by people who aren't tempered

[modern bluff]

The lunar Primals are likely just side effects of Fandango replicating that roar. It corrupts everything

[subtle pasture]

The issue with Lunar Odin can't be coming out Zantetsuken like a regular Odin since, regular Odin isn't exactly a primal. Zantetsuken is the primal, enthralls its wielder, and converts them to Odin. Thus, either someone already tempered drew Zantetsuken and got transformed, or it's just straight up a different entity altogether

[drowsy belfry]

Of course they GET tempered in the aftermath, but you don't need to be tempered to Summon in the first palce

[tight marlin]

Lunar Zantetsuken is just a moon shaped hammer

[torpid yoke]

A Cresent blade?

[tight marlin]

i mean that also works

[drowsy belfry]

Miniphina's Hammer

[somber storm]

Nah, spear

[drowsy belfry]

That's Longinus

[subtle pasture]

Since Lunar primals aren't tempered due to them being invoked out of servitude for Garlemald, Odin itself can't be Lunar'd since Zantetsuken already has an agenda-- or such I assume

[urban turret]

Odin is technically made from Zantetsuken, a kinda psudo-primal sword created by Eurkea, a Kinda-Sorta Elder Primal.
Eurkea is canonically gone
There are no worshipers for Odin, Zantetsuken, or Eureka anymore.
Lunar Primals seem to need existing worshipers (aka Mercydian dragons were needed for Bahamut)
HOW THE FUCK

[modern bluff]

Do they need worshippers or do they need memories

[drowsy belfry]

Again, worship =/= tempering. You can literally make a primal out of anything with enough believe

See: Greg and Enkidu

[torpid yoke]

Worshipers probably since the towers probably puts them through pain

[urban turret]

you're right, but NOTHING WORSHIPS ODIN

[drowsy belfry]

You don't know that

[urban turret]

WE DO ACTUALLY

[drowsy belfry]

Who's to say there isn't a tribe that worships "Black Knight riding a Horse"

[urban turret]

BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE HEARD OF THAT IN THE ODIN QUESTS

[modern bluff]

There's a tower right behind Tsuyu's Castrum. I'd wager there's a lot to do with memories too

[teal geyser]

Lunar Big One

[somber storm]

Yes yes

[urban turret]

dkfhfsdkhfsd god imagine

[pastel coyote]

Heh you can even be tempered and not worship the primal

[urban turret]

i mean. kinda. it's weird

[drowsy belfry]

Well not really cause they're not relevant in Odin's appearance in the Odin quests

[tough ravine]

isnt it generally agreed upon that zenos probably picked up a scythe and is the face of the new melee class

[modern bluff]

My argument is the tower feeds off the memories in the same way that Eden created Primals from ours

[urban turret]

odin is specifically called out as having no known worshipers, and that's why it's such a ??? where he KEEPS COMING FROM

[maiden lodge]

The only required part is that his wielder is not tempered by Zan

[subtle pasture]

Zantetsuken is sustained by the rumors of the black swordsman of the Shroud, who could cut you down with a single slice

[maiden lodge]

So if you have someone tempered by a tower, wielding Zan, they won't be tempered to Zan.

Over thinking this.

[urban turret]

god. HOWEVER IT WAS DONE I WANT TO KNOW

[subtle pasture]

Like, we know those rumors and legends are what sustain the blade, also that as long as someone picks it up, the blade can feed on its wielder and be sustained,

[urban turret]

well Primals don't NEED worship

[torpid yoke]

Kinda. Some still think it's not a scythe. Either way he's most likely gonna be a twisted version of the new melee

[drowsy belfry]

Doesn't even need to be Worshippers push a person far enough and they'll cry out for any god-like thing. It's not too far of a stretch that some Gridanians are stuck in that tower and currently being forced to summon the one primal they've ever seen

[subtle pasture]

Narratively I think the coolest course would be showing a bunch of rando shroud hunters bound in a tower and summoning it off of, like, elezen and hyur

[urban turret]

just aether. Zaku doesn't need to be "sustained" on anything

[subtle pasture]

but it's either gonna be that or a pre-tempered wielder on Zantet

[modern bluff]

Gridanians are likely stuck in the tower thinking of Odin. Kojin for Doma. Is there a tower in Ala Mhigo?

[pastel coyote]

Well keep a eye on the next fate, maybe we can prevent lunar odin this way

[torpid yoke]

Inb4 its not Odin but loki

[serene crest]

Visible from the Lochs, yeah.

[torpid yoke]

Idk that many Norse gods.....

[drowsy belfry]

Hell Odin wasn't the only dude on a horse with a sword

[torpid yoke]

Raidennnnnn

[drowsy belfry]

Fucking Amdapor Hard first boss

[subtle pasture]

doesn't even have to be a guy on a horse, yeah

name-wise, that is.

[torpid yoke]

Oh yea that guy

[modern bluff]

Right so lochs is either Lakshmi or Shinryu

And I really hope it's not Shinryu

[drowsy belfry]

Prob Lakshmi

As it's more Othard that believe in Shinryu

[modern bluff]

Is there one for Ishgard other than Ravana's?

[urban turret]

no

[modern bluff]

Okay so no Bismarck thankfully

[urban turret]

i'm still just like. "how the fuck did LUNAR ODIN happen" but i'm sure SOMETHING will come up

[drowsy belfry]

What're you talking about silly? Lunar Whale is coming soon

[urban turret]

hm. i wouldn't be so sure

[modern bluff]

I have a suspicion about Lunar Whale/Lunar Bismarck

[urban turret]

we SAW atleast 1 vanu vanu being un-tempered alongside a gnath by alisae in the trailer

[dim sigil]

Iwant that hands on hips dance fandan does as a emote

[pastel coyote]

👀

[balmy mesa]

Powered by gil, courtesy of Rowena's House of Splendours?

[modern bluff]

Likely an extension of our Blessing of Light disruption buddy

[iron scaffold]

My guess is that they manage to get Zantetsuken

[drowsy belfry]

Should just be an edited male Lalafell /dance but I might be super duper wrong

[balmy mesa]

it wouldn't surprise me if the towers acted as a disruptive force against the blessing of light (in addition to their primal summoning role) but it wouldn't explain the time gap I guess?

[modern bluff]

Inb4 Every Week there's dialogue about a new Lunar Primal/Beast tribe going missing

[drowsy belfry]

timegap wha

[balmy mesa]

how long has it been since H has talked to us, in terms of game time?

[drowsy belfry]

OOOH right right

Like the legit last time we interacted with her was 3.4 when he spiked her light juices but she hasn't contacted us directly since 3.0

[modern bluff]

3.4 was confirmed to be Minfilia herself. Not Hydaelyn

[drowsy belfry]

Oh right

[viscid monolith]

What. It was both of them

[modern bluff]

The dialogue Literally says it's Minfilia. The last time Hydaelyn spoke to us directly was in 3.0

[pulsar yacht]

The first dialog option in msq yeah

[balmy mesa]

yeah, but how long was that in days/months? A year or so tops?

[modern bluff]

About a year

[urban turret]

[Less than a year]

[maiden tinsel]

FF timeline is so wonky

[drowsy belfry]

Time bubble

[urban turret]

Time Bubble!

[wind bough]

Time bubble

[pulsar yacht]

In game pasaage of time is too fucky :|

[drowsy belfry]

So an Amount of Time ™️

[wind bough]

There is no canon passage of time

[modern bluff]

We'll give it a soliiiid.... 9 months

[urban turret]

[Amount of time less than a year]

[modern bluff]

But anyways. Hydaelyn hasn't talked to us since before we met ourselves from the first and 13th shard respectfully

[vital topaz]

Are Garleans unable to use Job Crystals?

[wind bough]

We have yet to meet our “self” from the thirteenth.

[urban turret]

by law of transitivity Unu is not us

[iron scaffold]

............................

[viscid monolith]

Word of the Mother is close enough to Hydaelyn to be counted.

[wind bough]

Sorrow of Werlyt reveals Garlean legati have a device which functions similarly to soul crystals

[balmy mesa]

oh yeah, speaking of the 13th, wasn't there meant to be more void quests in 5.5? or is it just gonna be left there?

[drowsy belfry]

It's also heavily implied Unu is the 13th Shard of somebody else

[urban turret]

oh yeah Unu super isn't us

[wind bough]

Unukalhai seems to be set up to be a shard of Nyelbert.

[vital topaz]

I thought Minfilia died back at antitower tho? Cant remember the exacts

I saw her shatter

[urban turret]

Wol = Ardbert =/= Nyelbert = Unukalhai, therefore Wol =/= Unu

[wind bough]

...no. She became joined with Hydaelyn as Hydaelyn was “too weak” (as far as we understood at the time) to even speak to us on Her own.

She never “shattered”.

[modern bluff]

Minfilla lost her individuality at the end of ARR for a time. Hydaelyn talks to us directly then never talks to us directly again in. To the point that they call it out in 5.5 that Minfilla as Word of the Mother / oracle of light =/= Hydaelyn

[maiden lodge]

Also the captives in the towers seem very similar to Arch Ultima's predicament.

[wind bough]

Minfilia didn’t lose her individuality.

She retained her own will.

[vital topaz]

Is Hydaelyn not talking to us a result of us doing our job as WoL so damn good that she doesnt need to step in as much?

[maiden tinsel]

They definitely say Minfilia spoke of her own will in the latest MSQ

[balmy mesa]

we don't know for sure

[maiden lodge]

They hypothesize that, and then go 'Naw, no, she'd not leave us alone'

[wind bough]

That is literally suggested and then deemed unlikely during 5.5 Knight

[viscid monolith]

In the 3.4 cutscene they distinguish between WotM and Minfillia talking at different times.

[vital topaz]

Oh yeah, duh.

[modern bluff]

The whole Hydaelyn conversation is likely just a foreshadowing of the fact we'll likely see her artwork version in game along with Zodiark

[pulsar yacht]

For no smart reason the aether collectors in dun scaith proto ultima come to mind. Will need to get an image of them when i dont feel like puke

[wind bough]

[vital topaz]

Im suprised Zodiark has never tried to contact us outside of that weird 2.0 end cutscene

[wind bough]

Zodiark seems to be comatose.

[modern bluff]

That towers seem like a mix of Mhachi, the echo transfer machines from SB and Bozja, Allagan and Telotek

[vital topaz]

If Eli is dead....does that mean no one is at the heart of Zodiark anymore?

[wind bough]

He’s missing Elidibus, His heart, and we don’t know what that means for Him.

[modern bluff]

Zodiark may also be affected by whatever is affecting Hydaelyn

[wind bough]

Though given that fact one might also say that Elidibus interacting with us was “Zodiark contacting us”.

[viscid monolith]

Zodiark hasn't had a heart since Elidibus popped out pre sundering.

[wind bough]

Also I don’t believe we’re supposed to understand the Zodiark vision in 2.0 as something the WoL saw. More like just a tease for the players

[vital topaz]

The one weird scene that I'm reffering to was that weird staticy cutscene of him that seems to be weirdly out of place

[wind bough]

Like a “meanwhile”

[viscid monolith]

I don't know where people got the idea Elidibus was returning to Zodiark's heart during these 12000 years.

[teal geyser]

I mean, we literally did the echo headache

[wind bough]

I guess

[teal geyser]

Like, it was super "ow my head the headache"

[vital topaz]

What they supposedly both look like

Hydaelyn looks like the stereotypical woman that you would find on the FF Cover Art

[wind bough]

Zodiark is a bara daddy

[teal geyser]

That's because Amano sucks

[viscid monolith]

So Zodiark looks like Cecil

[maiden tinsel]

Here's to hoping we kill them all

[vital topaz]

I wonder what it looked like when Hydaelyn bitchslapped Ultima back in the day and sealed her away.

[viscid monolith]

And Hydaelyn also looks like Cecil

[dim sigil]

Amanos great but his characters all blend he has like one desgin

[vital topaz]

More art:

I think this one is cleaner?

[viscid monolith]

People have no appreciation for Hydaelyn and the time she saved us

[vital topaz]

Is Optimized Ultima as powerful as Praetorium Ultima?

[maiden tinsel]

I want to turn her into primal dust

[gaunt star]

hydaelyn is mommy ok

[viscid monolith]

It's optimized for speed not power

[vital topaz]

Hydaelyn, Crystal Form:

Zodiark, Crystal Form:

[maiden tinsel]

that is disturbing as hell

[gaunt star]

yeah wtf cali are u posessed

[vital topaz]

Oh yeah, thats one of the things the "Cult of Hydaelyn" person would post

[brisk quail]

True

[teal geyser]

I miss them

[brisk quail]

Hydalen sucks, post zodiark

[vital topaz]

Wtf

[teal geyser]

Gross

[vital topaz]

This shot was cool

[torpid yoke]

Ah yes the wind up elemental

[gaunt star]

emet is like ' i want no part in this' and turns his back

[maiden tinsel]

Ascian Boy Band

[vital topaz]

Emet and Eli are probably taking shots and playing cards in the lifestream now

Or, being very pissed off at Fandaniel, one or the other

[random ravine]

i wonder what nabriales is doing

[torpid yoke]

Hades probably watching vaguely

[random ravine]

elidibus probably still plotting and pontificating

[vital topaz]

What are you doing in here, you havent even gotten to 5.0 yet

[torpid yoke]

Dead still probably

[gaunt star]

https://tenor.com/view/wandavision-wanda-ugh-not-fair-gif-20730713

[vital topaz]

Remember when I still thought that Eli would live long enough to be an antagonist for EW?

[iron scaffold]

Emet will let us know

[maiden tinsel]

Especially after Emet

[random ravine]

ouch man....ouch

[vital topaz]

That's fucked up.

[indigo shale]

man had just memory issues and was also a primal, no need to do him like that

[gaunt star]

tbh he was a primal so it was fine

[torpid yoke]

Excuse me?

[maiden tinsel]

You're excused I guess? I wasn't insulting him. He just couldn't carry an expansion like Emet

[gaunt star]

he carried just fine for the finale of shadowbringers

[maiden tinsel]

A tiny part of it I suppose. Just didn't have the gravitas Emet did

[gaunt star]

yeah im sure the finale of an expansion is tiny

[indigo shale]

well he was never given the chance to carry an expansion on his own, he was always scheming in the background setting stuff up though

[gaunt star]

emet didnt do anything besides being a clown until like the last few quests

[random ravine]

i am partaking in the discussion

[teal geyser]

That's one hell of a yikes

[late willow]

The fuck is this comment?

[gaunt star]

he claims he wasnt good enough to carry an expansion

[maiden tinsel]

Sure, if you want to read it that way. I'm saying he seemed duped and manipulated to super simplistic goals. I'm glad he wasn't kept on as the main antagonist of the next expansion

and yeah, I stick by that claim. You are welcoming to your differing opinion

[mighty light]

https://twitter.com/elfwifecity/status/1382428867944542208?s=19

a cat (5.5) (@elfwifecity)

gaius: you don't even remember the names of all the innocents you've killed
valens: neither do you idiot
["mambo no. 5" slowly fades in]
gaius: wanna bet

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Twitter · Apr 14, 2021, 8:21 PM

[gaunt star]

every Ascian besides fandaniel shared the same goals lol

[random ravine]

speaking of, i wonder who is going to be the antagonist of the next expansion

[maiden tinsel]

Seems like it has to be Zenos/Zodiark

[teal geyser]

...Zenos and Fanny

[dawn wave]

????????

[gaunt star]

guy hasnt even reached 5.0 lol

[teal geyser]

I know but that's not going to stop him

[mighty light]

Snack why

[gaunt star]

true

[mighty light]

"This sign won't stop me because I can't read"

[vital topaz]

I keep telling snack to NOT COME IN here when he hasnt done 5.0 like I did, but he just doesnt listen

[lusty shadow]

Strike issued for Renarka#6196 on Final Fantasy XIV

Reason: Please keep your wildly inappropriate comments to yourself
​

Issued By: Mountainwhale#0001

[lament breach]

!mute 178709309557833728 24h

[lusty shadow]

Success!

@maiden tinsel has been muted by @lament breach for 1 day!

[gaunt star]

au revoir

[vital topaz]

OUCH

[mighty light]

Rest in rip

[gaunt star]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/100463940835762176/812116468644839424/helltaker-yshtola-2-1.gif

[digital wedge]

What are some options for what zenos picked up at the end of 5.5?

[gaunt star]

its 4 am and im still running the nier raid for the damn chest piece

[teal geyser]

Scythe....sword, the end

[gaunt star]

scythe

[dawn wave]

the sword was thrown at fandanny was a drk sword

[teal geyser]

but yeah 90% a scyteh

[iron scaffold]

Zantetsuken

[vital topaz]

You know, he wouldnt have gotten in trouble for that if he had just worded it a TINY bit differently but OOF, RIP in pepperoni

[mighty light]

Minigun

[teal geyser]

/not double down on the wording

[digital wedge]

so we dont think it’s a weap we’ve seen then?

[teal geyser]

Oh yeah totally not a pre-existing weapon

[dawn wave]

can we assume that zenos is gonna be our new maiming posterboy

[mighty light]

It's actually a helmet; Zenos is going to start headbutting people

[modern bluff]

Whatever Zenos picked up had a blade. And interestingly the SFX is similar to the SFX of a whetstone being used against a scythe in Harry Potter

[vital topaz]

I still think that it might be Lunar Zantetsuken

[somber storm]

Big brain YoshiP

[iron scaffold]

Out of the 8 prime Primals since 2.0, Odin has yet actually appeared in MSQ.

[vital topaz]

Did Zenos get all those weapon glams from his own "MSQ" during Doma?

[vital topaz]

But now he will

[mighty light]

That's one way to describe a campaign of terror

[silk cape]

oh man did I miss something exciting

[digital wedge]

are any of those weapons surrounding zenos noteworthy?

[dawn wave]

not really..?

[digital wedge]

I think i saw ironworks glow but not sure

[dawn wave]

i only noticed the drk sword bc that’s what i use for glam

[indigo shale]

I would like to steal what Jesse Cox said and itll be he just picks up fandaniel and throws him at people

[mighty light]

One was on fire

[iron scaffold]

And you think a sword like that is going to fly over Zenos without him noticing?

[torpid yoke]

Axe Kappa

[drowsy belfry]

Oh they were mostly just random Greatswords, Lances and Samurai Swords

[vital topaz]

TL; DR, guy was glad Eli died because "he seemed special/dumb". He worded it in a way that made it seem derogatory, Mods casted Silence XIII on him for one day, and not curable by Esuna or Echo Herbs

[drowsy belfry]

Ones that you can have

[modern bluff]

The only noteworthy one is the one he picked up at the very end of the Cutscene. All the weapons shown are stuff available for tomes or from crafting

Thats why Zenos needed all the Gil. He went on a buying binge on the marketboards

[silk cape]

Ah, thanks for the explanation Knight

[mighty light]

He worded it in a way that suggested he thought Elidibus had a mental disability, and was using that as mockery.

[torpid yoke]

They were all types of weapons there. Tomes primals crafted raids

[mighty light]

Zenos using knives

[iron scaffold]

between "How many Fell Cleaves" vs "Server Wipe"

[silk cape]

I approve of the moderation. (Not that the mods need my validation but I appreciate it nonetheless)

[vital topaz]

On a serious note, do you think Ascians actually do have some mental issues?

[torpid yoke]

I wonder if zenos will get a bigger concentravity

Zoncentracity

[random ravine]

probably. living for thousands of years with the same people is stress inducing

[mighty light]

Not going to touch that rn; dealing with too many mental problems of my own.

[silk cape]

I think it's an inappropriate comparison. They aren't human. They don't think as humans think. Comparing their behavior to actual human neurodivergence is noooooooooooooooot a good idea.

[open verge]

They all suffer from mental issues because of living for so long

[random ravine]

they act very human though

they they have very human thoughts and desires

[mighty light]

I think they do think as humans do, but it's still a terrible idea, and we should drop it.

[iron scaffold]

Their 14x human and can live for eons

[torpid yoke]

Hades could have depression eli Alzheimer's

[tulip geyser]

I dont think living long was too much of a problem because they did it naturally, but I think the loneliness and weight of what they're doing is not healthy at all

[random ravine]

i'm surprised the three main ascians haven't managed to hate eachother's guts really

after living with eachother for so long

[late willow]

Snack, you should really play 5.0

[torpid yoke]

They consider each other like siblings probably

[unreal gale]

I don't think we should apply human behavioral standards to characters in general. People are free to have HC's and/or to relate to them, but you shouldn't be diagnosing fictional characters. I don't think Ascians should act 'like humans,' but they naturally seem that way since that's the only way we can relate to them. That said, it's fascinating that the Ascians express more 'humanlike' traits than the dragons do, when both live for eons and have different perspectives.

[iron scaffold]

and their Aether intake is ridicules

[drowsy belfry]

Don't bother I keep telling him and he keeps ignoring it, I'm fairly certain he's doing this for a laugh now

[slate ridge]

I might sound dumb but is alisaie always furious if she’s mistaken as alphinaud?

[random ravine]

i will do it after i accomplish a list of tasks that i want to complete

[torpid yoke]

Yes.

[slate ridge]

Oh, it says in the final fantasy wiki that alisaie hates being mistaken as her brother

[turbid aspen]

i mean look at one of the cutscenes this patch

[mighty light]

The headpat and description as "rugged" probably didn't help

[torpid yoke]

I mean she is pretty rugged

[random ravine]

Which is:

1. Get all the ARR EX mounts
2. Get all the HW EX mounts
3. Get all the SB EX mounts
4. Level all classes to 80
5. Get 3k comms
6. Complete Eureka

[drowsy belfry]

Tbh I think it's just normal behaviour that twins react like that when mistaken for each other

[mighty light]

Yes but she apparently doesn't like being called that

[serene crest]

Snack, you know you're making that 10x harder for yourself by not being in ShB yeah? Stop dawdling and get into it.

[torpid yoke]

You want to get to 80 before starting shadow bringers?

[clever flume]

i imagine it might be because rugged implies she not like...feminine?

[gaunt star]

man, day 2 and the baddies are already in farm parties

i feel trapped, RPers in nier raid

[open verge]

Emet basically said fuck this I’m going to sleep atleast

[heady shadow]

k so im prob gonna disconnect my ethernet from pc to ps4 and actually do some of the patch heh

[drowsy belfry]

just keep repeating "I put on my robes and wizard hat"

[gaunt star]

Diamond Ex sucks actually because i spend 8 minutes in that fight just for idiots to wipe us on towers

[torpid yoke]

Hm she never took me for the type that cares about that but maybe

[open verge]

The towers are so easy tho

[clever flume]

on the outside i'd say she doesn't really seem like it

[gaunt star]

yeah but the issue is people cant follow their fucking healers or they die to something else that's stupid so we have missing bodies

[clever flume]

but from my own experiences, in general i don't really care too much about that kind of thing but there are certain things that will upset me a lot

[open verge]

I should be clearing sometime soon

[gaunt star]

4% wipe where i was on track for an orange ruined bc dps and towers

[drowsy belfry]

Alisaie actually does make up and stuff on her off days in private, she screams when somebody walks in

[clever flume]

like implying because you have small breasts, you're a boy and things like that

[torpid yoke]

..... you're a waman kael?

[clever flume]

i am indeedie

[somber storm]

Wahman

[drowsy belfry]

Bruh imagine thinking somebody is a dude because they have tiny boobs

[gaunt star]

spirit blossom yone

spirit blossom thresh >

[somber storm]

[torpid yoke]

You learn something new erry day

[drowsy belfry]

Itty Bitty Tiddy brigade boutta stomp a bitch

[clever flume]

so i could see how being called rugged might upset her from that perspective

[random ravine]

i'm almost there:

[torpid yoke]

Why are you like this

[digital wedge]

Does the nier story in xiv explain what anogg (the girl) is with the weekly quest? why she seemingly died(?) then come back then somehow knows how to close that portal? etc

[turbid aspen]

good lord snack

BLANK THAUMATURGE

[torpid yoke]

There's a lot of problems when it comes to society and that topic

[somber storm]

Thaumatage and black mage

[random ravine]

i dont think i will touch thaumaturge. i might make an exception for that class for the "all classes to level 80 rule"

[gaunt star]

snack NO

[balmy mesa]

I don't blame him for that tbh

[clever flume]

ye there are

[somber storm]

Bitch you might as well commit

[gaunt star]

you levelled bard and dragoon but not BLM??

[somber storm]

Besides, mount

[torpid yoke]

Huge bazonngas are pretty painful so fck that XD

[random ravine]

wait there's a BLM mount?

[random ravine]

lol what's wrong with BRD and DRG?

[gaunt star]

you get the amaro mount for having all 80s

[turbid aspen]

the mount you get for all 80

[gaunt star]

bard is great at 70+ but levelling it is boring as fuck. dragoon is also boring

[torpid yoke]

Not that I would know from experience

[random ravine]

DRG has a fairly busy rotation. it's not bad. BRD is kinda boring though

[gaunt star]

blm is actually the real gamer class to level because your rotation changes every 10 levels. wow! cool!

[turbid aspen]

yeah but no aoe till 40

[teal geyser]

Speaking of leveling jobs, been leveling ninja, what a fucking fun job I forgot how nice it was

[gaunt star]

ninja was fun.... but not until you get your mudras on god

[teal geyser]

I always have to quickly google the doc to check what rotation to do when I enter a roulette

[teal geyser]

even before mudras it's more engaging than most jobs at that level

[turbid aspen]

ninja animations are also really cool

[gaunt star]

the second i got blm to 80 i took off scathe. took off b1. b2. f2

[random ravine]

yea that makes me even less likely want to try BLM

[indigo shale]

i should learn other jobs, only been playing DRG and DNC since i started

[turbid aspen]

agile classes make my brain switch on

[teal geyser]

bro why

[gaunt star]

im never syncing down again if i can help it

[somber storm]

Easy to learn blm rotations tbh

[teal geyser]

You're yucky

[balmy mesa]

easy to learn, just... fuck BLM and its different rotations every 10 levels

[gaunt star]

if i ever play a roulette and have to blizzard 2 i dont know if i could handle it

[random ravine]

i really dislike caster classes, and i find the BLM to be the most "castery" of all the caster classes, if that makes any sense

[torpid yoke]

Why would you get rid of scathe

[gaunt star]

🧍‍♂️

[clever flume]

cos its probably one of the most useless of blm abilities

[mighty light]

Scathe is good, actually

[clever flume]

You definitely do not need scathe is most situations

[torpid yoke]

Hitting anything is better than Hitting nothing

[gaunt star]

implying id be hitting nothing 🥴

[random ravine]

do you guys always keep addle?

[gaunt star]

yes. its important

[turbid aspen]

yes?
less damage = good

[clever flume]

Yes, addle is good especially in higher end content

[mighty light]

You should be using scathe in most normal raids. You don't have to--it's not a big deal outside of savage--but it does matter.

[torpid yoke]

Yes addle is super useful

[turbid aspen]

i feel like the ultimate team player when i use feint on a tankbuster

[drowsy belfry]

That's like asking if Reprisal is a good action

[torpid yoke]

Most people don't use addle and feint though and it makes me sad

[gaunt star]

"oh ok theyre probably talking about add- motherfucker"

[random ravine]

wait i thought feint decreases the defense of the boss?

[teal geyser]

no

[clever flume]

Realistically if you're using scathe as a blm, you've messed up some where usually

[turbid aspen]

no it decreases physical damage

[gaunt star]

stone dont let me catch you in the club

[dawn wave]

i only use scathe when the last dungeon mob has a sliver of hp and i know there’s no time to cast another spell

[gaunt star]

also... act/xiva is wonky for diamond right? cuz of all the time it goes untargetable?

[torpid yoke]

Still good to have it just in case

[gaunt star]

help

[indigo shale]

off topic slightly, but i now think Kaine (final fantasy main theme version) is my new favourite piece of music in this game.

[mighty light]

I mean, no, there are situations esp. in recent content where you're forced to move, and mashing umbral soul is only necessary once every 13 seconds.

[gaunt star]

my gcd uptime on it is like 80% or less and im like 🥴

[clever flume]

If you need to move then you should either be using procs or something like triplecast/swiftcast to move

[mighty light]

Triplecast yes

[clever flume]

in general, you should not be needing to use scathe even for movements

[gaunt star]

team play is weird. jobs that are the best at team play are also the worst at solo 🤷‍♂️

[mighty light]

Swiftcast like
If you're using swiftcast for mobility you've fucked up worse than if you're using scathe

[clever flume]

[gaunt star]

lmao. what happened here for chat to go slow?

[clever flume]

uh no? using swiftcast should be higher priority than using scathe lol

[mighty light]

[torpid yoke]

You should use swift off cooldown pretty much

[clever flume]

Yes ofc you should basically be using it on cd, same with your other ogcds. I'm not saying to hold it

[torpid yoke]

A pro blm would time things out fully after like the 100th time though

[clever flume]

but i am saying that if you need to move and you have swiftcast up you should be using that over scathe

scathe is pretty much the bottom of the barrel of your tools that you should be using, especially for movement

[open verge]

Would it be okay to clip thunder if you had nothing up?

[torpid yoke]

Well yea of course. Scathe is the bottom of the bottom of the totem of priorities

[silk cape]

I dunno, do DoTs snapshot in this game?

[open verge]

How do you even use thundercloud procs lol

[torpid yoke]

Iirc yes

[pulsar yacht]

Kinda sorta. Not to player time scales

[clever flume]

use it for movement/when the dots about to fall off

[torpid yoke]

You use it when it's about to fall off

Either the proc or off the boss

[open verge]

So are thundercloud openers memes?

[silk cape]

Actually, I'm not going to be very useful to a discussion of rotation optimization. I put that behind me when I left WoW and progression raiding.

[torpid yoke]

No???

[pulsar yacht]

Its the few cases where server ticks isnt a get out of being bad card (the timing when dot damage is calculated)

[gaunt star]

I wonder if BLMs feel they have too few skills

[clever flume]

ironically....

[gaunt star]

“it’s preferable to cast nothing” lmao

inb4 in EW it gets updated

[pulsar yacht]

My dirty casual blm play says blm has a comfy skill set but could still use a little polish on mobility options and less "relearn the job every 15 levels"

[maiden lodge]

Okay, I can confirm, Diamond EX is not that rough.

[pulsar yacht]

Looking at you blm aoe rotation

[maiden lodge]

It's long, but like, if you can limit cut you can clear

[torpid yoke]

Limit cut?

[random anvil]

sucks that it's only 1 phase

[maiden lodge]

it's not but okay

[random anvil]

i mean, i guess it doesn't suck for farming

[maiden lodge]

It's a three phase fight.

[random anvil]

i meant like emerald had a different phase

whatever you call that

[maiden lodge]

I mean it literally does

[torpid yoke]

Just no usual transition

Soft transition?

[maiden lodge]

Normal transition.

[torpid yoke]

I meant like no cutscene

[maiden lodge]

It's your standard Intro Phase->Different Phase->Repeat Intro Phase But With Complication thing

[torpid yoke]

They mean it doesn't have a cutscene

Though that kinda just makes it like hades EX

[maiden lodge]

I know but some people need to be trained to use words that we've used for years.

[torpid yoke]

Hades had no phase 2

Wait fck phase 3

[teal geyser]

Hades EX had a phase 2, 3, 4, 5, 6

[maiden lodge]

Tsukuyomi is a one phase fight

[pulsar yacht]

No seiryu style watch as i do the thing to pad the content

[wind bough]

Y’know before Zurvan fights had multiple phases without a camera locked cutscene in the middle

[torpid yoke]

Does act count as a cutscene

[wind bough]

And we still called them phase transitions

[teal geyser]

act Rymi?

[torpid yoke]

Atm

I just got off work and brain no work

[teal geyser]

oh, sure

[maiden lodge]

'This msq quest had a cutscene in it it's a two phase fight'

[torpid yoke]

Seiryu gets a pass he is bad ass

[maiden lodge]

But yeah, Diamond Ex, our clear was almost 11 minutes and we didn't even sniff enrage please thank god there's no cutscene or worse, phases where you can't speed the fight up looking at you Hades

[torpid yoke]

I only did hades 5 times

[teal geyser]

Same because I got the mount by then

[torpid yoke]

Same

[maiden lodge]

I don't know how many kills I have. I just know it's more than 18, and that I got the mount on a 99

[gaunt star]

man ive been running nier like 12 hours now and no chest piece

[clever flume]

get rekt

[gaunt star]

i legit havent gotten shit besides the 2B Card

[clever flume]

also helps if you deep down stop wanting it. games have desire sensors ya know!

[teal geyser]

D: Kael angry Ancient pfp is gone

[gaunt star]

Kael it also doesnt help 80% of the runs was more than 2 casters

[clever flume]

oof yeah that hurts

[gaunt star]

so even if the chest dropped rip D:

[clever flume]

i havent had angery ancient since the first

[gaunt star]

ive only seen chest and ear piece once, everything else was legs boots or gloves xd

[clever flume]

most of my runs were striking/fending gear

so i just grabbed the first thing that was caster :d which was headpiece

[gaunt star]

also whose idea was it for drops to repeat again

likeeee 3 boot drops in 1 run

[teal geyser]

Shows how much I pay attention

[gaunt star]

https://tenor.com/view/alisae-ff14-gif-18078583

[potent marsh]

ah yes, the norm

[mighty light]

rip angy ancient

[maiden lodge]

Broke: 'Diamond Warrior Mecha Ifrit phase'
Woke: 'The Zoomies'

[random anvil]

was i dreaming or did they not add Estinien to trusts?

[clever flume]

they did not, he's gonna be in for EW

[torpid yoke]

You should carry me through Dia ex

[clever flume]

this patch basically sets him up for being a trust member in EW

[torpid yoke]

[random anvil]

ah ok

i thought it was gonna be on this patch

[maiden lodge]

'Why is esty a trust?'
'Krile gonna fuckin hunt my ass down she scary'

[pulsar yacht]

I would like a diamond ex carry also but im garbo at everything

[viscid monolith]

Just tank then

[torpid yoke]

You're not on aether silly

[teal geyser]

Wait I just realised, why does no one ship those two?

[drowsy belfry]

Look forward to having two Estiniens in Paglthan when we can run stuff with Estinien Avatar

"Took you long enough" Estinien on Tiamat says to level 90 Estinien in my trusts

[pulsar yacht]

Only 510 tank set :|

[torpid yoke]

That's the minimum

[pulsar yacht]

I prefer mch so i didnt pay enough attention to much else

[clever flume]

if its HQ, could always exchange for 520 version

ez 520 set, assuming you've got the allegory for the rain

[pulsar yacht]

I plan on that just need a lot more tomes

Have tome axe already

[somber storm]

Because dragoons are doomed to be forever alone

[brisk quail]

Honestly the 520 gear is EASY to get

You just buy each piece again.
In my server they're all around 200k per part

So for a million gil and some change. You'll have enough tickets for full left side

Then you beat alliance raid for some pants.

Because pants and chest cost 5 rains. Oof

[maiden lodge]

Yep, and if you shop around you can get even cheaper by getting the lowball costing pieces