retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[severe brook]

Yeetus van Veetus

[maiden lodge]

Valens went down like such a chump and I live for it.

[bold condor]

Zeetus yeet Galveet.

[tulip geyser]

I like how he thought that he could actually challenge Zenos

[bold condor]

Imagine what would've happened.

Diamond Weapon shows up at the capital. Zenos feels his nipples get erect, grabs his scythe, and one-shots it.

Goes back to bored throne-sitting and sighs in disappointment.

[severe brook]

Zenos: "Ah. Blue balled yet again."

[potent marsh]

Having 3 super advance war machinas tho

[maiden lodge]

I just like the idea that Zenos is mass tempering Garlemald because actually like... fighting them... is boring so he's using mind control to skip cutscene

[bold condor]

Valens: THAT WASN'T IN MY DATA
Zenos: Are you seriously still here?

[severe brook]

i mean the three predecessors to Diamond weren't meant to be used beyond gathering info for the last one
though i feel like the intent was to mass-produce Diamond once they got it down right

which is its own kind of horror

[bold condor]

lmao imagine if they managed to mass produce that shit anyway

[dim sigil]

Why did she even attack us

[bold condor]

She wasn't really in control at that point, also we attacked her.

[pastel coyote]

Maybe the weapon is more effective with close-related data/pilot

[maiden lodge]

Yeah we were trying to capture it, and it was like 'i dunnae wannae be capture'

[bold condor]

Imagine they do mass produce these and we spend the Garlean zone of Endwalker fighting a bunch of Weapon copies.

[severe brook]

yeah, that ended up being the only reason Allie wasn't pulled into the Core

[dim sigil]

Also I did last night but I'll post it again just in case anybody else Nero made the Mark II

[bold condor]

hahahaha

[severe brook]

at the very least, he played a heavy role in getting it built

[pastel coyote]

and where did Valen get the idea ? The mother/daughter

[maiden lodge]

THAT TRASHBLOND

[severe brook]

since it mentioned he was getting the parts together

[tulip geyser]

Never change Nero

[severe brook]

ah fuck you're right

[maiden lodge]

Honestly I don't think Valens cared about Allie being goo'd or not

[pastel coyote]

I don't know if i'm right but i kinda like the idea

[dim sigil]

G Saviour apparently had melee weapons as well but they never got to be used the guy said

[severe brook]

yeah, it had a big spike, drill and saw mounted on the front of the platform

[potent marsh]

Is diamond weapon ex easier the emerald ex? Seems like there are now mostly farm parties day 1

Err day 2*

[maiden lodge]

That's normal

[severe brook]

i do like how there's a rationale behind which of the remaining P-Units became which Shade
the first one wants to live and die forever to know and understand life, and so becomes the Knave of Hearts, a Shade who refused to die and seemed unkillable
the second one never wants to be alone, and so becomes Hansel and Gretel, a pair of Shades who were made to always be together and suffered when separated.

[dim sigil]

This was told where

[severe brook]

this is based on their pre-fight dialogue and the role of those Shades in Nier 1

[dim sigil]

All I could think with the thing was like oh no whispers are in 14 now

[severe brook]

it is unfortunately not outright stated in the raid but i feel like this is something that works fine on implication alone

as it's just a neat reference, not really plot-important

other stuff needed some more exposition explaining it, though

[potent marsh]

There’s collections journals in your duty section

[severe brook]

wait did the collection journals outright talk about KoH and H&G
if so, then cool

[drowsy belfry]

Placeholder G'raha says "wuz poppin"

[potent marsh]

I think i saw something similar to what you were talking about for koh

[dim sigil]

This is the closest we will get to Kingdom Hearts in 14

[stiff charm]

g'iraffa tia

[bold condor]

If they did a KH crossover with the caveat that they can ONLY use Square Enix designed things, they'd probably be fine.

[dull atlas]

anyone has the frontier cloth gear images?

[bold condor]

As long as it means I can rock the Organization XIII coat.

[torpid yoke]

People have higher gear levels from the get go so naturally

[drowsy belfry]

Does Disney own the Org.XIII stuff?

[bold condor]

They own Kingdom Hearts in general, but they probably wouldn't let actual Disney properties show up in FFXIV if they consented to a crossover.

But even then KH has enough original and iconic stuff that this would be fine.

[torpid yoke]

There's no way to decode the in fight dialog right

[open verge]

Disney doesn’t care if they don’t show up they still won’t allow it

[bold condor]

I mean, Disney has allowed for weirder crossovers before.

Kingdom Hearts itself being one of them.

[severe brook]

maybe filtering it through the same code as the Compound stuff from Puppet's Bunker? I figure it probably means something

[torpid yoke]

Inb4 it gets decoded a little bit every week like we going through a second play through

[open verge]

It really would be nice if nier built up to any of its bosses and provided context

[bold condor]

What the fuck is context.

[severe brook]

that'd be neat. the only thing is i don't know how much more they'd be able to reveal through that

i mean, it does build up to the bosses. Tower specifically builds up to its last boss the whole time

[open verge]

So why do all the enemies look like 2b i actually have no clue

She’s like a model right

[stiff charm]

as far as i can tell its the seed trying to replicate 2b

[torpid yoke]

Copy the androids since they are closer to humans

[maiden lodge]

Okay how come no one is talking about the real lore bomb

That Urianger was as short as Alphinaud when he was 19

Where is the Minianger/Moenbryda art

[silk cape]

not gonna lie, that moment when Estinien walks up to Alisaie and he's literally TWICE her height and I'm like "is he gonna EAT her what the fuck"

[silk cape]

!
This makes the sequence of her just bro-lifting him make more sense in context, because she's USED to bro-lifting him.

[stiff charm]

pls, preferably 18-20 year old minianger

[maiden lodge]

Obviously 19 year old Urianger.

And how old is Urianger right now?

[stiff charm]

29

[maiden lodge]

So like, not that long ago he was WEEE

[wet mountain]

Is it confirmed we only need to clear diamond ex 50x since it gives two totems per fight or do we still need to fight it 99x for mount exchange

[pulsar current]

you get 2 per clear

[wet mountain]

I know

[drowsy belfry]

Can you even buy the Gwibber with totems yet?

[wet mountain]

But do we need 198 totems

[pulsar current]

so only 50 if you get unlucky and dont buy any other weapons

[wet mountain]

Since we get two

[serene crest]

Token exchange isn’t unlocked yet but you’ll need only 99 once it does

[drowsy belfry]

I was about to say, isn't Hades Gwibber still 99?

[wet mountain]

Won't it be 198x since we get two totems

[wet mountain]

So wouldn't we need 198 totems instead

[maiden lodge]

No, because hades doesn't.

[serene crest]

Nah it’s 99

[drowsy belfry]

Do you need 198 for Hades?

[wet mountain]

Since we get two

But hades doesn't drop two

[maiden lodge]

That'd be dumb 'We doubled the tokens you get but also made things twice as expensive trolololol'

Hades most certainly DOES drop 2

[pulsar current]

sounds like a wow thing

[stiff charm]

higher numbers increase the sense of pride and accomplishment

[wet mountain]

So it's 100% confirmed then

[maiden lodge]

I'm pulling it straight off lodestone

[pulsar current]

big number good

[maiden lodge]

2 tokens is a double edged sword because yes, you get double, but that means the fight slogs more.

Hades in a good group was sweet but it made a bad group that much more painful.

[open verge]

All trials should drop 2 anyway

[maiden lodge]

God no, Ruby Weapon was way too quick

[open verge]

Knowing my luck with weapon drops 5 runs for a weapon is pretty cool

[deep creek]

So is Fordola going to be our transition character for 6.0?

[open verge]

Transition character?

[maiden lodge]

10 tokens is set up that you have a 50/50 chance of not needing to use tokens by the time you get 10 kills. 2 per kills that math.

[deep creek]

Character introduced/becomes important in last expansion that leads to the next i.e Crystal Exarch

[open verge]

Yea but I want to do 5 runs of a fight and never do it again

No she’s not because we already know fordola + they confirmed another character doing just that

[maiden lodge]

Yes, it would be nice to only ever do a fight once and never do it again.

[deep creek]

Hm I see.

[drowsy belfry]

Nah she will

[open verge]

Yea her

[drowsy belfry]

Oh that reminds me, Estinien with the hardcore fucking foreshadowing

[deep creek]

Ohhhhh

[drowsy belfry]

"Don't let anybody take advantage of you reaching out to help them" Yeah okay Estinien, who's gonna betray us in 6.0

[pulsar current]

so alphy's dead in 6.0, i can see that red flag a mile away

[stiff charm]

plsstinien dont betray

wasnt there a dragoon in an ff game that betrays you? idk only played xiv

[pulsar current]

kain

ff4

[gaunt star]

what death flag

[cyan hinge]

Multiple times too

[crystal arrow]

urianger have him revealed to be another ascian

[stiff charm]

they already halfway pulled this in 3.3-3.4 cmon

[crystal arrow]

they can do it again

[random ravine]

watch, the WoL is gonna be revealed as an ascian who lost their memories

[stiff charm]

i dont have any problem with it it would just be funny that he does it TWICE

[distant sonnet]

DeAtH fLaGs, I swear.

[stiff charm]

woah where are we 5.2?

[gaunt star]

technically we are reincarnation of Azem tho Ascians are specifically zodiarks followers

[crystal arrow]

go finish shadowbringers

[random ravine]

i'm still in stormblood

[drowsy belfry]

Snack get the fuck out of here and FUCKING GET TO SHADOWBRINGERS ALREADY

[stiff charm]

stop being in here then dumb bread

[drowsy belfry]

fucking 6.5 is gonna release and Snack will come in "Hey guys I finally got to 5.1"

[gaunt star]

why are u here

[crystal arrow]

"hey guys did you know there was a nier crossover??"

[gaunt star]

man this chicken outfit is so bad

ruins my immersion whenever i see it

[drowsy belfry]

Wait the event is on??

[maiden lodge]

"Guys, why do people simp for a guy named Hades, no one's named Hades, is that the Crystal Exarch?'

[crystal arrow]

tbh, I feel like I wanna run the tower again just so I can learn the fights lol

[gaunt star]

yeah hedge xd

[crystal arrow]

it started yesterday

[drowsy belfry]

Whoops lmao I should do that

[maiden lodge]

I need the chicken outfit

[crystal arrow]

i'd get it but i'm too dedicated to horns for my glam 😔

[gaunt star]

people simp for two dilfs in ShB

[maiden lodge]

I NEED IT

[maiden lodge]

and a gilf

[gaunt star]

who

[maiden lodge]

G'raha Tia, he's an adopted grampa

[gaunt star]

graha was included in 'two dilfs'

mans like over 100 years old

[maiden lodge]

Oh... then Emet.

[gaunt star]

emet was included in that too..

[random ravine]

i just couldnt resist the temptation

[maiden lodge]

Then what about Gaius?

[crystal arrow]

who wants to fuck gaius

[gaunt star]

gaius is gonna die in 6.0 so who cares

[gaunt star]

a lot of people after stormblood

[stiff charm]

you would be surprised (asahi)

[maiden lodge]

A lot of people after CM you mean

[obsidian osprey]

i dont get the love for gaius. Zenos is better

[gaunt star]

cm?

[random ravine]

uhl.....that crazy woman at the end of castrum meridianum?

[gaunt star]

silence. Zenos is a mistake

[obsidian osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/zenos-zenos-yae-galvus-ffxiv-ff14-final-fantasy-gif-20287640

[random ravine]

forgot her name

[obsidian osprey]

say that again!

[maiden lodge]

A lot of gaius simps after ARR

[gaunt star]

sad part is Livia is technically his adopted child but she wanted moar

[maiden lodge]

Fuck, if I want to be accurate

There've been gaius simps since 1.23

[random ravine]

i wonder if lucia also had similar feelings. actually nvm, they probably never met

[gaunt star]

not really

Lucia was a spy so she didnt spend time at garlemald a lot regardless tbh

livia on the other hand

[random ravine]

she was too busy being spurned by pretty boi elf

[stiff charm]

RETCON RETCON RETCON RETCON RETCON we need to redeem gaius shshshshhhhhhshsh never happeened dont worry about it

[gaunt star]

too late, Gaius told her to meet him at his chambers

[brisk quail]

No wonder Gaius was called the black wolf

[stiff charm]

it was actually lahabrea doing it revealed in pandaemonium haha

[maiden lodge]

That was fast to get the chicken outfit

[gaunt star]

nope

[brisk quail]

Lahabread posses everyone before they get laid. Lahabrea is a hyper chad

[gaunt star]

Lahabread is deaded

[maiden lodge]

Here we go, the ultimate glam is almost a go

[stiff charm]

lahabrea has initiated every instance of sex in the history of the xiv universe

[maiden lodge]

How dare

How DARE you underpin the powerful loins of Emet-fuch

[gaunt star]

Lahabread was probably the boomerest of boomers in the convocation

[stiff charm]

he just wanted to posess for zodiarks sake

[distant sonnet]

I can only assume Hades is someone's Hildebrand nickname. Bet that Hildebrand quest on the first is a hoot.

[brisk quail]

BACK IN MY DAY WE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO ALL THIS LONG WAY ROUND SHIT. WE JUST THOUGHT IT UP AND BOOM, WE HAD IT

[gaunt star]

https://tenor.com/view/yshtola-rhul-final-fantasy-final-fantasy-xiv-ff14-ffxiv-gif-15553902

[forest magnet]

Emet selch gives off the most boomer vibes tbh

[distant sonnet]

For sure.

Only Emet is more actual Greatest Generation that boomers wanna be.

[gaunt star]

nah, even among the Ascians apparently Lahabread was a specially kind of dumbass

[plucky palm]

dissapointed that we didn't get nier weapons for glamour

[distant sonnet]

Less a dumbass, more of a cackling lunatic.

[gaunt star]

my man emet wanted to sleep but lahabread decided to ruin it

[obsidian osprey]

she wanted Gaius'....all if you know what i mean

[brisk quail]

So

Is lahabread whole wheat?

[gaunt star]

https://tenor.com/view/wandavision-wanda-ugh-not-fair-gif-20730713

[brisk quail]

She wanted his Legion in her Castrum

[forest magnet]

I'm here to demand justice for Papalymo.

Dude hasn't been mentioned in 2 years and Moenbryda gets casually name dropped this patch. cmon.

[obsidian osprey]

nah she wanted Gaius' gunblade silly....

[gaunt star]

https://imgur.com/t1xfYYc

[brisk quail]

And then there's chunky Papalymo. He's dead.

[stiff charm]

i get mad at ysayle not getting proper representation but papalymo really suffers huh

[silk cape]

ahem it's a gunhalberd no wait that was Nael

[stiff charm]

i want gunhalberd for drg

[forest magnet]

At least Ysayle is complicated because she was leader of heretics so there'd obviously be mixed feelings about her being honored in Ishgard. Also she was referenced in the Bozja quests.

[brisk quail]

I want a Gunshield for PLD

[gaunt star]

but heretics are the good guys

[stiff charm]

i dont mean honoring her in ishgard i mean in general, since our wol clearly had some kind of friendship with her. but she is always just mentioned as "haha used herself to channel shiva isnt shiva so cool"

[forest magnet]

forces u to drink dragon blood
ok

[gaunt star]

they were trying to prove a point

but idiots in ishgard were too focused on 'dragons bad we good'

[forest magnet]

At least Ysayle gets mentioned

[forest magnet]

Is that the chicken knife? I've never seen one in the wild

[paper dagger]

Well in fairness, the only person in the Scions who's mentioned Moenbryda is the guy who was literally in a romantic relationship with her. Compartmentalizing losses of people you've fought with and you're still fighting an ongoing set of battles is one thing, compartmentalizing the loss of your lover is another level.

[maiden lodge]

It IS!

[brisk quail]

Chicken Knife OP

Relic weapon? Weak.

[severe brook]

Greatest Generation Emet, Silent Generation Elidibus

[forest magnet]

average relic weapon fan vs average chicken knife enjoyer

[maiden lodge]

Fandaniel: D-Generation X

[severe brook]

and of course, Gen Z Loghrif

[brisk quail]

Average GNB Fan vs Average PLD Enjoyer

[gaunt star]

whats this we limp bizkit now

[brisk quail]

Da baby

Da toddler

[stiff charm]

i remembered she existed yesterday and loghrif was cute ???

[forest magnet]

Average SGE Fan vs Average SCH Enjoyer Masochist

[maiden lodge]

I also feel the Greg minion completes it

[forest magnet]

I don't think Zenos will do much in 5.55 either.

He'll wave around his scythe and say the quote in the trailer. That's it.

[severe brook]

you sure? i'm thinking he's actually going to do a lot of damage and target the alliance leaders specifically to further motivate us to go after him sooner rather than later
though granted, as i say that it sounds like "You really think CB3 would do that? Make a trailer and tell lies?"

[forest magnet]

He's perfectly content to sit around. Fandaniel's going to do most of the burning stuff. you even see him just sitting around in the CG trailer

[distant sonnet]

Its probably a scythe. But in before that juicy boi has Zantetsuken

[vital topaz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fuGyn-gmsc

[gaunt star]

just from causing the final days is enough lol

[obsidian osprey]

hawt

[gaunt star]

and its not like he does it with fandaniel without a plan

[brisk quail]

Zenos will contuine to be battle horni for wol while just chilling.

Fanny will keeep causing the end of days by summoning primal after primal.

[vital topaz]

So did just Valens head get squished by DW or his entire body?

[brisk quail]

That's what's gonna happen with them in 5.5

[maiden lodge]

It's a reference to an anime

[severe brook]

god of course there's the wet fart noise

[brisk quail]

Body squish. Head pop.
Blood and liquids spill out.

Like valens is mega ded

[gaunt star]

and then yeet

[vital topaz]

You hate that sound?

[gaunt star]

yeeting him was probably my fav part not the death squish

[distant sonnet]

This meme empty. Yeet.

[severe brook]

nah it's funnny, it just keeps showing up in my life

[brisk quail]

Yeah. Then I don't need this yeet

[severe brook]

"Sorrows of Werlyt spoilers without context"

[brisk quail]

Throwing him like the trash he is

[vital topaz]

I hope Gabranth gets a more honorable death than Valens, maybe Death by 1v1ing the WoL?

[gaunt star]

[forest magnet]

Did they really add Hades weapons before Titania/Lakschmi. Not that I'm complaining or anything.

[vital topaz]

Is Gabranth just as much of a piece of shit as Valens was?

[severe brook]

Gabranth is probably going to turn out to be not as well-intentioned as he appears, but he still won't be near as warped as Valens was. so he probably won't suffer as bad a fate

[gaunt star]

tbf Valens didnt deserve any form of honorable death

[forest magnet]

No. He's Gaius but 'better'.

[severe brook]

Hades and Byakko already had weapons, the new ones just add light effects.

[forest magnet]

Yeah i should've specified crafted weapons

[vital topaz]

I laugh at that considering some of the things his FF12 counterpart did

Actually, was Gabranth an anti hero at the end of 12?

[gaunt star]

tbf gabranth doesnt discriminate and thats probably the only thing i like about him

[forest magnet]

Wasn't FF12 like "well Gabranth was doing what he thought was right it's Venat/Vayne who are the real baddies"

[severe brook]

right now Gabranth feels more egalitarian than Gaius was as a Legatus in some ways, but also is willing to do a lot more unsavory things even compared to Gaius to achieve his goals

[gaunt star]

if gaius did something about his people mistreatting the ala mhigans

[severe brook]

like Gabranth is outright pursuing using Auracite and Trigger Weapons to basically have Primals of his own design, whereas even when Gaius had the Ultima Weapon it was mainly because it was an anti-Primal weapon

[forest magnet]

I mean working with an Ascian is as unsavory as it gets

[severe brook]

and even though Gabranth wants to build a nation that isn't as corrupt as Garlemald, he's still using imperialist means to do it

[vital topaz]

Sadly, I don't think we're gonna get a "BURN IN HELL, GABRANTH!" scene since Varis is dead

[severe brook]

well usually the Ascians try to make sure they don't have as bad a reputation when they first meet their pawns

[vital topaz]

Watch them pull some "WE LOCKED VARIS IN A CRYOGENIC FREEZER SO HE DIDNT DIE!" type shit in EW

[severe brook]

They Saved Varis' Brain

[pulsar current]

i mean, they could make HIM an oversoul

[gaunt star]

thats great and all but varis is dead

[vital topaz]

They didnt show the body

[severe brook]

i mean they did

we saw him stabbed and then stop breathing

[gaunt star]

^

[vital topaz]

Actually, does the "If you dont see a body, they aren't dead" rule still apply this late in the game really?

[gaunt star]

why would Zenos or fandanny put varis in cryo anyway

Zenos wanted him dead and so hes dead

[dim sigil]

More body flesh horror

[torpid yoke]

Yes

[vital topaz]

I didnt say it was going to be Zenos or Fanny, maybe some loyal followers of Varis would have done it

[gaunt star]

doubt it

[severe brook]

i had my absurd theory before that some citizens of the Empire would summon a Primal of Varis out of desperation to save them from Zenos, though that feels very unlikely given recent events

[gaunt star]

specially since after his death gaius and estinien literally beat up his waifus and several soldiers

[dim sigil]

We got a trial form of him so it's good

[gaunt star]

specifically the waifus, who got knocked out and they were probably his most loyal followers

[torpid yoke]

Honestly they'd probably summon solus not varis I feel

[pulsar current]

i could easily see him as an oversoul. since a lot of the scientists lived the destruction of HQ

[distant sonnet]

Fairly sure if we get a primal out of Garlemald it'll be this.

[gaunt star]

also realistically Zenos killed him, nobody could have been able to save Varis in time even if no battle happend in the castle

[paper dagger]

Primal Emet Selch?

[vital topaz]

Emet Selch and Elidibus rolling in the lifestream, probably: "WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING, FANDANIEL!?!?!"

[severe brook]

yeah probably. that was actually my theory back in SB, that they were going to summon Solus as a Primal and it'd be Hades, the Dead Emperor.

[gaunt star]

doubt

[severe brook]

and then that Varis would use Resonance to possess the primal Hades to mirror Mateus becoming the Devil

[gaunt star]

[severe brook]

...i was a bit out there back then too

[distant sonnet]

The primal Garland, though

[gaunt star]

man i wonder what kind of theories id be seeing if people didnt mirror other ff games xd

[severe brook]

but at least i was right about Solus being Hades, eh?

[torpid yoke]

Pics or it didn't happen

[paper dagger]

More like Elidibus saying that, Emet Selch's on a beach chair with dark shades and one of those reflective things held open in front of himself "ELidibus, you're dead. Stop caring and get us both another mai-tai, would you?"

[vital topaz]

Dont worry, I had the theory that Anima was going to be the Voidsent's Primal and that the final boss of ARR was going to be Teleji piloting Omega, so you're not the only one with crackhead theories.

[gaunt star]

telejdi piloting omega

[torpid yoke]

....was omega ever mentioned in arr

[gaunt star]

https://tenor.com/view/wandavision-wanda-ugh-not-fair-gif-20730713

[vital topaz]

Yes it was once, but then it wasnt brought back up again for another 125 hours until SB's postgame

[paper dagger]

I could swear Omega was, but it was like a random mention in a cutscene

[stiff charm]

it was a tiny mention in like 2.4 or 2.5 about teledji wanting to excavate an area for omega

[vital topaz]

Was I dumb for thinking that Anima could have been the Voidsent's Primal?

lol

[dim sigil]

Itll be the elephants i think

[torpid yoke]

Mmmmm it's out there considering I doubt they'd summon a primal

[dim sigil]

Since ya know

[pastel coyote]

Garlean can't use aether so they can't summon primal. Move on.

[torpid yoke]

The magus sisters might be their primal

[dim sigil]

Thats a good one

[vital topaz]

Yeah, the only way I'd consider the voidsent summoning a primal is like a really desperate last act to try and get aether

[severe brook]

nowadays, though, we have Trigger Weapons
so it is possible to 'mechanize' primal summoning

now of course we didn't know that then, but it does show us that Garleans could summon a primal, just not through normal means

[pastel coyote]

I still say no

[gaunt star]

^

well technically Lunar primals are summoned to serve garlemald

but they use beast tribes to summon them

[stiff charm]

magitek primals

telotek i guess

[spice vessel]

i like that they implemented the lunar eidolons

from IV

[silk cape]

Okay, so major story moments are for the MSQ, Sorrow of Werlyt, and YorHa: Dark Apocalypse. Is there any content relevant to Eden or the Void quests?

[gaunt star]

no

[vital topaz]

I just realized what that popping noise was. It wasnt his body. It was his head.

[gaunt star]

also i dont expect FF4 events to happen in 6.0 besides easter eggs and referrences

[spice vessel]

I wonder who they're stuffing in the Tower in Yanxia?

[spice vessel]

Yeah everything came out like a tube of toothpaste.

[vital topaz]

No Golbez?

[dim sigil]

Who did they find to worship Odin

[silk cape]

not gonna lie, that was as satisfying as it was disgusting, which was VERY.

[vital topaz]

Are you a realist Sathona or a party pooper?

[gaunt star]

i mean they could use his appearance for someone else

[dim sigil]

I have a somewhat hard time taking it seriously with the sound effect

[gaunt star]

both Shade

[gaunt star]

inb4 they just magicked the blade and boom

[vital topaz]

You're probably in the crowd of people who said that the Omega Raid Arc sucked dick because of the "shoehorned" references, and that the RtI raid sucked because iT was Tew much rEaDiNg!!!!1!1

[gaunt star]

i actually liked Omega raid tho?

[pastel coyote]

Hmmm it not necessarily beasttribe that will summon odin

[maiden lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/loud-youtube-tv-netflix-maxell-gif-20428014

[gaunt star]

isnt the sword the primal anyway and not odin

[spice vessel]

Zantetsuken was said to originally belong to an Au Ra.

[maiden lodge]

Honestly, a viable theory for how Lunar Odin could occur is to have some Telos-tempered Garleans just kill Odin, and have one get Zantesunorted.

[wet crown]

Zantetsuken is the primal. It's a trigger weapon, created in Eureka.

[pastel coyote]

It could be the people of quarrymill given they are close to whatever-the-name-is

[dim sigil]

I'm always surprised to hear people didn't like the Omega raids

[wet crown]

Odin is just a puppet to wield it.

[vital topaz]

You start stuff all the time too, ya know

[gaunt star]

just put Zantetsuken in a tower give it fleshy stuff and boom lunar odin

[maiden lodge]

Yes, but I'm better at it.

(The real reason I'm warning is I don't want you to get my reputation, which doesn't work for me)

[pastel coyote]

uhr rest ? Don't remember, but they probably know of odin legend

[torpid yoke]

People who believe in tsukuyomi

[dim sigil]

Theres no tower in the sea of clouds vanu vanu bird Friends are safe

[gaunt star]

lunar tsukuyomi? i wanna see that tbh

[vital topaz]

Like that one time where you and Gabriel tore that other guy a new asshole with facts and logic over...something? I cant remember what it was.

[maiden lodge]

I know.

But.. like... don't... try to be me. It's not good for you.

[pastel coyote]

ha yes it was urth

[vital topaz]

What was that even about, I cant remember

[maiden lodge]

Nothing important enough for me to want to relive.

[crystal arrow]

i'm confused as to why this convo is happening

[pastel coyote]

People from the south shroud probably know of Urth and Odin

[gaunt star]

not sure either

[silk cape]

you can trust I will always only be myself

[vital topaz]

Its happening because I am not very good at lore/gameplay arguments and I need to work on that

[maiden lodge]

But yeah they don't need to capture worshipers and make a lunar odin happen because you don't need worshippers to make odin happen

What you need is someone pretempered to Garlemald to be involved to subvert the summoning to Lunarness

[ruby hull]

I wanna go Walt Disney for a month until we get Reaper confirmation 😂 teaser was too much

[wet crown]

Zantetsuken doesn't need worshippers to make an Odin.

[maiden lodge]

eeeexactly.

[gaunt star]

teaser was just zenos picking up his teddy bear

[wet crown]

I just assume the Telophoroi found a way to give Zantetsuken an Odin to control both.

[vital topaz]

How do I get good at FF14 Arguments without sounding like a dick?

[crystal arrow]

can't wait for garland, primal of garlemald and industry

[silk cape]

Because we don't so much beat Zantetsuken as we just inconvenience it.

[maiden lodge]

So like Ravana--you'd only need to capture and enslave that one single dude, and boom, the One Mind is summoning Lunar Ravanas

[vital topaz]

He better knock us all down if that happens

[wet crown]

That's been a major complaint for years. The matter of Odin is NEVER resolved.

Zantetsuken is still roaming free. Now is their chance to remedy this.

[silk cape]

OR create a race of soul vessels shaped like monkeys intended to ferry people to a new world because the old world was warped beyond saving

[vital topaz]

Wait, would this version of Garland be based of off FF1 Garland or FF9 Garland?

[ruby hull]

True, Odin never got the most of what it can get as a primal. As long as we don't get an ex primal variation of it, I safely assume that there is more to come

[brisk quail]

LUNAR ZANTEKZUKEN

[maiden lodge]

we got an ex primal variation of it

[crystal arrow]

as far as I can tell the lunars are their own distinct primals, warped visions of the actual primals created by those tempered by the towers, so lunar odin would not be wielding zantetzuken but lunar zantetszuken

[wet crown]

We never got Odin EX.

[ruby hull]

the one at the Fanfest? cause the one we have in game is the normal version

[pastel coyote]

In Eureka ?

[wet crown]

that's Raiden

[spice vessel]

😦

[pastel coyote]

You mean Jack ?

[maiden lodge]

Urth's Fount is a continuation of Odin's story.

It ends with the sword freed of course, but it continues off the story of Odin who keeps showing up as a FATE.

[crystal arrow]

Well yes, but that's not Odin EX.

[wet crown]

and that's fucking stupid
we've let that sword keep fucking around all this time

it's stupid and makes no sense, I hate it

just like this slow mode

[maiden lodge]

The problem is we do end up capturing the sword and sealing it away, but it tempers one of the people guarding it, and that's how it gets free again.

[wet crown]

then capture it again

[teal geyser]

No let it just have fun

[maiden lodge]

The issue is we dont have a means to seal it away for good.

Though, admittedly, having porxies does change the whole situation.

[brisk quail]

Tbh. The sword desveres to be free

[wet crown]

What? It broke free once? Guess we can't stop it from killing people now.

:BIGSHRUGMCGEE:

[brisk quail]

Death and chaos be damned

[maiden lodge]

Look, I don't know if you've noticed but none of the ARR primals were resolved until now.

[brisk quail]

We use weapons like tools. Why can't it use a person like one? Smh

[crystal arrow]

if we have the primal controlling powers that zenos does I wonder what would happen if we wielded zantetzuken (the real one)

[wet crown]

Of course they weren't. In fact, most haven't been.

[brisk quail]

I can't wait to beat all the primals again in Lunar Trials

[wet crown]

They're not trigger weapons, unlike Zantetsuken

[brisk quail]

Lunar Garuda EX

Lunar Ifrit EX

Lunar All the Primals at the same time EX

[maiden lodge]

Zantetsuken tempers people, like any primal does. So sealing it and guarding it... you just got its guards tempered. We haven't had a means to permanently solve the problem, any more than we did with beast tribes.

[pastel coyote]

I need to rewatch the cutscene, but i'm pretty sure they implie that lunar primal can't temper

[wet crown]

Get guards who can resist tempering. Oh, if only such people existed.

[crystal arrow]

there's a simple solution, just put it in our bag

[brisk quail]

Just have the WoL carry it around forever in the bag of infinite holding

[wet crown]

Gee, I wonder if they do. But we will never know.

[maiden lodge]

What they say is that their summoners are already tempered to Garlemald, and that is what changes the primal to align with that already existing tempering.

Which makes sense, cause the concept of a primal fits the summoner.

[maiden lodge]

And now we're constantly using our echo, actively, to prevent it from tempering literally everyone we meet.

We can't do that forever.

And when we get tired... we get tempered.

[brisk quail]

Oh so. now we acknowledge that wol passively and actively uses the echo to guard against tempering

When I was saying it for ages.

[wet crown]

Actually, the Tiamat stuff explains a bit why the Lunar versions can't temper and it goes back to primal summoning principles - Cognition.

[maiden lodge]

Yes, we acknowledge that the 'immunity' to tempering is an act of will and resistance and not true immunity, which you know... we're told directly by Zenos. Don't try to 'take that' at me with this.

[brisk quail]

[maiden lodge]

It never says they can't temper.

It says its summoners are already tempered to something else. That's a different thing.

And no one can generally get close enough to one to test it because to do so means the tower is tempering you.

[distant sonnet]

It.. does say that the Lunars can't temper stuff though.

[vital topaz]

What if they had the balls to kill Lyse when that Tempered guard came up

[distant sonnet]

Thats why its safe to go fight Bahamut with trusts.

[wet crown]

In this case, the tempered summon their primals to serve the Empire, so the primals don't need to bind followers to themselves. They are summoned without that ability.

[gentle temple]

If it's escaping by tempering its guards, just don't leave guards.
Maybe just give it to the WoL to fight with XD

[vital topaz]

Is the entire city of Garlemald going to be a primal or something?

[wet crown]

Which makes me wonder again - Can Hydaelyn temper at all?

[gaunt star]

doing 24 tank run in nier raid.first 2 bosses were easier.red girl going rough trhough xd

[maiden lodge]

Where is it stated this exactly?

[distant sonnet]

During the talks with Tiamat, before the dungeon

[vital topaz]

How big of a city is Garlemald? Someone told me that Garlemald as a city is going to be as big as a zone.

[strange wing]

What if the Garlemald primal is DOOMTRAIN

[maiden lodge]

Garlemald is one of the biggest cities on Hydaelyn.

[strange wing]

DOOMTRAIN TO THE MOOON

[wet crown]

Venat's people didn't want Hydaelyn to be like Zodiark. They didn't want a god with full control, just someone to shackle Him but w/e.
So I'm gonna go out and predict that Hydaelyn is completely unable to temper.

[distant sonnet]

They hypothesize that because the Lunar primals were summoned in service to something else, and because they don't need faith themselves, they have no need to temper anything themselves and so cannot.

It honestly felt like a hasty "This is why its fine to take your trust to the dungeon, shut up." but there it was.

[brisk quail]

Part of me feels like part is because of the nature of the summoning

[wet crown]

Also, if a primal isn't gonna be summoned to personify Garlemald, then we'll learn that a concept of something, like a nation, can serve to be target of revery and function as a pri....mal...?

this sounded better in my head

[maiden lodge]

There we go, Y'shtola theorizes it can't

[distant sonnet]

Which in turn can be applied to all of the lucavi~

[strange wing]

You know, being a fleshbattery for a 5G tower ranks pretty high in "ways you don't wanna go"

[distant sonnet]

Yeah but if we start disregarding things the scions theorize as incorrect, we have like three paragraphs of lore to stand on.

[wet crown]

what if it's a sexy tower?

[severe brook]

i am now sad that my "Lunars are the embodiments of fears" theory is pretty solidly disproven

RIP Lunar Doomtrain, you were never meant to be

[vital topaz]

Can 8 man dungeons work now that we have 3 expansions under the belt for development?

[wet crown]

[strange wing]

Hopefully all beast tribe NPCs are safe

[distant sonnet]

Well. We already fought Varis with 8 guys. So sure?

Or do you mean dungeons with 8 players?

[maiden lodge]

They could but... eh.

[vital topaz]

I feel like not having 8 man dungeons anymore after Praetorium is such a waste of potential

[distant sonnet]

Praetorium was SUCH a problem.

[maiden lodge]

The 8 man dungeons we have are a good argument against making them the thing

[distant sonnet]

Its never stopped being a colossal issue and nothing about it is a good thing.

[maiden lodge]

Because, '8-man-ness' doesn't add anything except a longer queue time.

[viscid monolith]

Some clown said CT has a bad story and I'm still angry

[strange wing]

Just turn it into a solo duty already

[vital topaz]

Those use ARR's design philosophy though, who knows what the methodology for making dungeons is now.

[bold condor]

[sterile galleon]

Oh wait we do actually glimpse the weapon's hilt

[strange wing]

Remove him from the census

[maiden lodge]

NOthing about modern dungeon design looks like it'd be made better by 8-manning.

[viscid monolith]

I am seething. Coping. Malding.

[severe brook]

WITNESS
https://youtu.be/TbZaMsK__ps

[silk cape]

well that's troublesome, the cutscene isn't in Unending Journey.

[viscid monolith]

Malding means mad+balding

[strange wing]

Garlemalding

[distant sonnet]

8 man dungeons could be cool if they took an interesting approach with it. Like BA, where you have to fight two bosses at the same time?

[severe brook]

Garlebalding

[distant sonnet]

But it'd add more problems than it'd be worth.

[vital topaz]

I wonder if Varis would have protested the Weapons Project if he actually saw what was happening? Then again, this is the guy who authorized Black Rose to be used on people so... 🤷‍♂️

[severe brook]

Garlebarding

[severe brook]

he'd probably be fine with it so long as Garleans weren't the test subjects...
though then again, Arch-Ultima happened right under his nose so

[strange wing]

What is the Heart of Sabik anyway?

[severe brook]

actually yeah he might just have been fine with the Weapons so long as he didn't find out about Valens' true desires

[brisk quail]

Varis woulda excuted his aas if he found out his intentions and his... sickness

[wet crown]

you think he would've cared?

[wet crown]

he would've disposed of valens the second he didn't focus on research anymore

[distant sonnet]

Arch-Ultima wasn't just under his nose. Varis was actively in charge and that shit was happening down the hall.

[severe brook]

Called "Black Auracite" in Japanese and the heart of the Ultima Weapon. Apparently contains a fragment of Zodiark's power. Lets the Weapon absorb Primals and cast Ultima.

My personal guess is it's an Auracite that's been attuned to Zodiark's aether but still has space in it to contain other Primals.

[forest magnet]

that's another weapon. dataminers have determined Zenos actually isn't grabbing anything.

Gridania, home to your finest memes.

[strange wing]

That makes sense actually.

[wet crown]

we already know it's a scythe anyway

[sterile galleon]

Now that's just cheeky

[vital topaz]

Another handwavey thing that doesnt get fully explained as to where it comes from, just like Omega. Why? Idk

[distant sonnet]

Omega is completely explained. In the Omega raid.

[strange wing]

Omega did come from another planet

Laugh. Laugh at the casual who didn't do the raids

[wet crown]

The Heart of Sabik is supposedly black auracite

[severe brook]

presumably the Ascians had it and set up the Allagans to find it

[wet crown]

something, something Japanese dialogue

[severe brook]

so they'd use it as the core of Ultima Weapon, never knowing that it technically already was attuned to one primal

[forest magnet]

just as handwavey as the Nier raid /s

[vital topaz]

I'm talking about the exacts on who created Omega, they dont get into that because they dont want to get too messy and off track with the writing

[wet crown]

why would they? omega's creators don't matter right now

[severe brook]

i mean it's not really important as to who made Omega, just that Omega wanted to get back to them at any cost

[strange wing]

I can't say anything about the Nier raid until the weeklys and New game plus is done.

[wet crown]

they didn't matter before and they will continue to not matter

[severe brook]

including, as it turns out, the cost of knowing it wanted to get back

[strange wing]

The end so far feels too much like Ending A of [insert taro game here]

[wet crown]

you say that but DG3's Ending A is the canon one

[strange wing]

They are all canon

[brisk quail]

You got the b[A]d ending play the raid next week to unlock ending B with new encounters

[wet crown]

for DG1 and Nier, it's A that matters the most

[severe brook]

Ending A of D3 is the closest to the one that leads to DG1, but isn't actually the one that leads to D1

the ending that leads to D1 is in a novel that has a few other changes in it, but is closest to Ending A still

[strange wing]

The True ends are always like a mix of certain endings

[brisk quail]

The canon ending is the one where you eat a mackerel and fucking die

[strange wing]

Lile OG Neir's REAL ending is an artbook exclusive

[subtle pasture]

Route A: Konogg it took [A]ll this fucking trouble to save you WHY

[wet crown]

Ahh yes, Ending [F]ucking [F]ish

[torpid yoke]

Powerful weapon obtained then

[vital topaz]

Does the Nier Raid have multiple endings?

[strange wing]

It's gonna be

[brisk quail]

Imagine if

[wet crown]

not that we know

[severe brook]

we all know that the Nier Raid is Ending F
[F]inal Fantasy
[F]ourteen
[F]uck Off
[F]ucking Fish

[viscid monolith]

We don't need to know who created Omega. It's not hand wavey it's useless information.

[brisk quail]

Imagine if next week the bosses change

[strange wing]

But not at the same time. It will be like Nier 1 where what change is the context

[brisk quail]

And the ending cutscene and boss changes

[subtle pasture]

People speculate the weekly quests will turn out more endings but seems it’ll be letters from Konogg

[severe brook]

the only bosses i see changing are Knave of Hearts and H&G

[subtle pasture]

Or at least week 1 was

[brisk quail]

Knave of hearts is good tho

[vital topaz]

I was just explaining to someone that they dont fully explain things like that because its sometimes not fully relevant and can get messy if they try to

[severe brook]

Red Girl/False Idol/Inflorescence feel too plot important/too effort-heavy

[brisk quail]

Has emil's theme

[pine epoch]

Someone claims Yoko Taro wrote the story based on how many people decided to help White Dwarf or Black Dwarf in copied factory

[severe brook]

what we should be asking is when we get a DMC raid based on Mhach Lore

[strange wing]

Knowing Nier the raids will guilt trip you hard for killing the bosses

[distant sonnet]

Yyyyeah but "He was created by an ancient super technological civilization on another planet in deep ass space" is a pretty decent handwave.

[wet crown]

Yoko Taro said he didn't finish writing the other two raid stories before Copied Factory came out

[severe brook]

so we get this emote
https://tenor.com/view/vergil-dmc-dmc5-devil-may-cry-gif-19661461

[subtle pasture]

They just don’t have to explain things outside the scope of the narrative, you know

[severe brook]

this but it's WoL and Esteem

[brisk quail]

If you don't sing every day's a sale, every sale's a win! when fighting knave of hearts. I curse you with no drops

[severe brook]

DRK-exclusive emote

[distant sonnet]

Every day's a sale, every sale's a win! Every days great at your Ju-... wait fuck lines are crossed ahhhh

[vital topaz]

Yeah, which is what I was telling @strange wing before whatever all this was started.

[subtle pasture]

No, you said “or else the writing would get messy,” it’s also just wholly unnecessary

[dim sigil]

I rolled a 96 on the hair and still lost

Why tho

[subtle pasture]

I won the sound of the end on a 98 and lost stubby on a 97

[strange wing]

Insta-giraffe neck hairstyle

[vital topaz]

I find it funny how there's just a random TT match in the corner of Terncliff for some reason

[dim sigil]

Can finally cosplay cojiro

[vital topaz]

HEY! You can't just post cock pictures like that!

[dim sigil]

I showed mine pls respond

[subtle pasture]

Finally I can role play a Tengu

[vital topaz]

I want Terncliff housing so bad, but probably not gonna happen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ-7PBwzhDo

[brisk quail]

Every days a sale.
Every sale's a win.
Buy your stuff now or you'll kick yourself later!

[vital topaz]

They didnt have to put so much effort into a little side area like that but they did, and the music is great

[torpid yoke]

Till we find out the telophori are omegas creators

[severe brook]

Telotek Telomega

Telomega Weapon

[strange wing]

I fear the day when they reuse Omega's model for something not as cool.

[silk cape]

Isn't final form Omega already a re-use of Ultima Weapon? Just like the regular form Omega is a re-use of... giant frog mob?

[viscid monolith]

Omega uses the gigantoad skeleton

[bold condor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fuGyn-gmsc

[torpid yoke]

Wai

[bold condor]

valegao

[oblique sedge]

Why do I feel like the dialogue is broken this update? I read dialogue saying won't but it looked like it was suppose to be "want" then I just heard a voice dialogue say "I do not think that wise" when I assume it's suppose to be "that's wise"

[forest magnet]

Plenty of people speak in broken grammar in game

[oblique sedge]

why am I noticing it now?

[severe brook]

so i just translated the rings in Her Inflorescence, it's the same GATC as with the Aegis-Unit

not too surprised but a little disappointed it's not something new

[torpid yoke]

Gatc?

[silk cape]

GACKT

[severe brook]

GATC are the letters of the four bases in DNA

ACGT is an acronym for the four types of bases found in a DNA molecule: adenine (A), cytosine (C), guanine (G), and thymine (T). A DNA molecule consists of two strands wound around each other, with each strand held together by bonds between the bases. Adenine pairs with thymine, and cytosine pairs with guanine. The sequence of bases in a portion of a DNA molecule, called a gene, carries the instructions needed to assemble a protein.

they were in the rings from the first boss of Puppet's Bunker, connecting to the whole "I was created to give birth" thing

[crystal arrow]

that's kinda neat

[forest magnet]

gattaca

[torpid yoke]

Now that it's quiet time for 5.5 lemme show yall my thesis on why ranjit/golbez is the base of the new job and how they've pretty much hard hinted it in part 1. I begin wi-

[severe brook]

lmao

[gaunt star]

24 tank run of new nier raid complete

[paper dagger]

Freaking mad lads

[edgy gale]

3 weeks from now, Yoshi is going to make an appearance wearing a shirt with a Hammer on it just to invoke chaos before revealing a Scythe class.

[paper dagger]

I'd pay cash money for him to wear a Gloryhammer T-shirt while making the announcement

[autumn heron]

Scythe was pretty much deconfirmed

[paper dagger]

BEcause I'm still pushing for Nero-armor Hammer class

[gaunt star]

its possibly also he could have kileld yugiri and its his sword

[pastel coyote]

By ?

[silk cape]

Do tell.

[autumn heron]

last cutscene of MSQ with Zenos, we did see all the weapons that were around him and none of them were scythes, they just did a trick with the camera to obscure which one it was

[silk cape]

That's not a "deconfirmation."

[dim sigil]

That doesn't deconfirm it though

[crystal arrow]

He's standing in front of the weapon in the cutscene. And that doesn't deconfirm it.

[dim sigil]

Ofc their not gonna show it

[pastel coyote]

By that logic you can say which weapon he have right ?

[gaunt star]

the last weapon was hidden

[paper dagger]

It was Deconfirmed by the simple fact that "Hammers are so much more awesome than battle-scythes" and I have the music videos to prove it. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKlVYJTSzuU)

[gaunt star]

so nothing was deconfirmed

[torpid yoke]

I mean all the weapons are ones we can get in game sooooo

[edgy gale]

See how much chaos Yoshi could cause.... I mean nothing is confirmed or deconfirmed, but the leaps that people will go to regardless would be amazing.

[dim sigil]

Especially with the emphasis of not showing the weapon it's going to be something new

[crystal arrow]

it's also pretty much guaranteed to be the new dps one, I doubt he'd pick up some preexisting one given what fanny says to him

[torpid yoke]

Nah hammers are lame sauce. GUN hammers on the other hand

[paper dagger]

But yeah, that doesn't necessarily prove anything, particularly when the devs are massive trolls that like to screw with us. That whole scene was pretty much written to screw with us.

[gaunt star]

^

[autumn heron]

Hammer is to close to WAR

[crystal arrow]

no it's not

I guess gaia is a warrior then?

[gaunt star]

its scythe

[paper dagger]

Angus McFife is saddened by your lack of respect toward hammers.

[autumn heron]

WAR in XIV is pretty much Berserker with an Axe, in every other FF game Berserkers use hammer with the same moveset

[subtle pasture]

I still can't get over Paglth'an being a thematic mesh of the Ghimlyt Dark and Amaurot

[torpid yoke]

They are lame mannnnnn

[autumn heron]

its gonna be something entirely different

[subtle pasture]

expac really did come full circle dungeon-wise

[severe brook]

i finally get to bring back my joke of "That was a very sharp-sounding hammer in that cutscene"

[crystal arrow]

while this is fair, iirc that sound was used earlier in the scene too

[silk cape]

Using WAR animations while wielding a hammer is just a function of them not having animations for a hammer yet. It doesn't mean a hammer is unpossible.

[torpid yoke]

Apparently it's the same sound they used for ranjit

[paper dagger]

I mean I'll state that I wouldn't be at ALL shocked if it's a Scythe. I'm just pushing hammers for the funsies of it.

[torpid yoke]

But I'm not at home to check

[severe brook]

i do feel like if it was meant to be a hammer, they could've had a sound more like heavy clanking metal, like they used for Thordan shifting Ascalon in his grip

[crystal arrow]

Really?

[subtle pasture]

Suppose our strongest clue now is Fandaniel's "it is rather apt,"

[pastel coyote]

and what is apt for death ?

For harvesting ?

[silk cape]

not today

[torpid yoke]

It's a hammer with a spike one the top guys

[crystal arrow]

Zenos loves to call himself the hunter and us the prey, maybe related to that?

[silk cape]

IT'S A BOW

[pastel coyote]

That's the cryptlurker spear

[torpid yoke]

Obviously

[subtle pasture]

clearly hammer and a chisel since they're building the Garlean tower, guys

[dim sigil]

I love the bone rattle sound in paglth

[torpid yoke]

That's a mace

[severe brook]

Maul Job confirmed

[torpid yoke]

It also wasn't what I was talking about XD

[crystal arrow]

by the way, what is the paglth'an ost a mashup of? I know it's the amalj'aa theme and something else

[dim sigil]

Mall cop

[paper dagger]

That actually makes me think hammer, harkening back to "The Hammer of Darkness must needs to be brought to bear against the Shield of Light", which them also ties to Gaia's hammer.

[dim sigil]

That's the new job

[subtle pasture]

I also figured a whip/whip-sword given the spinal designs all over tower junk

[silk cape]

that maul certainly looks

dire

[severe brook]

Maul Cop would definitely be a quest name for a Maul-wielding Job

[crystal arrow]

this is a bad joke and you should feel bad

[severe brook]

if we were ever to somehow get a Maul-wielding Job that wasn't just Warrior

[silk cape]

i don't, at all 😛

[subtle pasture]

shoutout to the classic Dullahan/Headless Horsemen which legitimately wield a whip made of a spinal cord

[torpid yoke]

We already came circle with that with gaia

Who btw uses the male roe warrior stance animation

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, so Fandaniel's "rather apt" might be about wielding an armament of Darkness

[severe brook]

i do wonder if we'll get Lunar versions of hitherto unseen, or at least only implied, Primals
like if the Flesh Tower dungeon gives us a Lunar version of a Matanga Primal, and that it'd end up being what Ruby consumed like we all theorized way back when

[paper dagger]

We did, but it still fits the "rather apt" for Zenos being essentially the CHampion of Zodiark

[crystal arrow]

I'm still thinking that zenos is gonna eat hydy

[severe brook]

or if we see a Lunar version of the Squid Primal that Sapphire consumed
also RIP that Primal, got taken out by a barely-functioning Weapon

[torpid yoke]

I wouldn't call zenos the champion of zodiark

[paper dagger]

... Is Flesh Tower the OFFICIAL name? Because, if it's not, it needs to be

[subtle pasture]

Drinking a sea of souls, clearly he's referencing Charon and his weapon is an oar.

[severe brook]

well i was referring to the one concept art that shows what we now know for sure to be a Tower's interior

[torpid yoke]

Nah its a giant fork

[severe brook]

and the walls are filled with Matanga.
and also the Magus Sisters

[subtle pasture]

that said, odds he'll say that line in the same scene finally unveiling his new weapon?

[pastel coyote]

"drinking a sea of soul" is only in english

[severe brook]

almost certain

[subtle pasture]

--you eat soup with a fork??

[crystal arrow]

what annoys me the most is we still have no clue how big the towers are

[severe brook]

i was able to pull it off once

[bold condor]

lmao he's gonna kill us with an oar

[torpid yoke]

Yes. I'm crazy pash

[severe brook]

but it was a very thick soup

[bold condor]

Hard disagree. We need to call it the flesh tower.

Zenos's massive, throbbing, spiky flesh tower.

[torpid yoke]

Please no XD

ROMMY XD

[subtle pasture]

no wait, clearly his weapon is a giant bendy straw.

[paper dagger]

Ohh I'm agreeing with that.

[bold condor]

Just getting near it will enthrall you.

[pastel coyote]

Just call it Mara

[oblique sedge]

potential meme?

[subtle pasture]

me, trying to stay in my own lane:
me, failing because I'm a petty bitch:

[paper dagger]

And I'm all for not only calling it Flesh Tower in game, but having Alphi being REALLY uncomfortable with the fact that everyone calls it that and constantly being skeeved out because Thancred & Alisae pick up on how it bothers him and ensure they say it as much as possible.

[torpid yoke]

How it feels when I say my fandaniel and zenos theory in #archived-lore-spoilers

[severe brook]

there's something funny to me about how asahi's form looks better in a hood lol

can't see the bowl cut that way

[kindred rampart]

I shall drink a sea of souls and gorge myself upon the darkened moon
https://i.imgur.com/9UWBl1O.gif

[crystal arrow]

was anyone else bothered by the fact that we uhh, didn't tell anyone that we freed tiamat and she was helping us out

[torpid yoke]

Yen is the sword

[severe brook]

Fandaniel is lore-spoilers

[bold condor]

It's cool, Estinien was there.

[crystal arrow]

shouldn't we, i dunno, maybe tell nanamo?

[bold condor]

nah

[wet crown]

nah

[brisk quail]

5.5 Spoiler

[crystal arrow]

"hey uh we released one of the firstborn dragons she's gonna help us kick the shit outta bahamut just fyi"

[torpid yoke]

Imma make that v when I get home

[subtle pasture]

Rom did you see how Paglth'an paralleled Ghimlyt and Amaurot as dungeons

[autumn heron]

Well Im pretty sure Nanamo got the report of Tiamat helping us

[brisk quail]

Okay... but

[pastel coyote]

Btw the last patch of warframe, which happen to be at the same time as 5.5, introduce Sevagoth, the Reaper 👀

[kindred rampart]

Fanny Danny enters as he fortnite dances towards the Warrior of Light

[severe brook]

WARFRAME 24-MAN CONFIRMED

[paper dagger]

I definitely got GD vibes from Pagglethorne or whatever it is

[brisk quail]

THAT DUNGEON WAS SICK. FLYING OVER THE FIELDS. BURH

[subtle pasture]

also was it me or is the first boss a hell of a lot trickier than the blockade or LB

[brisk quail]

Yes.

[crystal arrow]

how, it was a very abrupt decision by us

[paper dagger]

Last boss was a bit of a let down. I expected more.

[pastel coyote]

Nah people were just bad

[autumn heron]

I meant after the paglth'an dungeon

[pastel coyote]

And i don't know what's the problem with tank today, they just can move the fucking boss

[crystal arrow]

took me a bit to figure out... and I was doing a trust <.<

[royal spruce]

I just want the second half of the msq now teasing us with that new weapon

[brisk quail]

Part of me was just a bit shocked that we were fighting LB then. And not in End

But it makes sense now.

[subtle pasture]

the different orb sizes and how lightning rod made them deal 0 damage so it's like drop between pulses-- I get it being the core mechanic of the boss but it deffo felt like a lot for a first boss

[brisk quail]

They can basically make any amount of lunar primals they want from the towers. Just cuz

[royal spruce]

I wonder if anyone can fiddle with any camera tricks in that room to find out what the new weapon is probably not

[subtle pasture]

I'm not sayin' it's a very difficult boss, but it's certainly more complex than either the other two bosses

[brisk quail]

And just cause havoc

[subtle pasture]

like Terrible Scream is basically exaflares with thorns

[severe brook]

i was hoping that Lunar Bahamut would have purple-tinted versions of Bahamut's stuff
like purple divebombs or something

[wet crown]

Glass, come now. Didn't Orbonne teach you anything?

[pastel coyote]

People never learn ?

[late aurora]

Turns out he picked up a stick

[wet crown]

The 3rd boss is the hardest.

[pastel coyote]

I always get someone kill by the 2nd boss

[subtle pasture]

It kinda did, but mostly that uhhh Perrignean Flare or w/e

[wet crown]

Or are you gonna tell me Ultipiss was more difficult than Cid Thundercock

[subtle pasture]

Also, Klan Rhal or w/e

[gaunt star]

Hey, but is it a bendy stick?

[torpid yoke]

Nah not really

[autumn heron]

it took me a sec to get the whole thing with the lightning rods

[royal spruce]

Sucks that we have to wait over a month to get the next part

[brisk quail]

Bozja 3

[wet crown]

I'm more excited for Zadnor right now

I only subbed so people couldn't spoil me on the raid

[pastel coyote]

Liar, you just want to see zenos big weapon

[wet crown]

N-no.

[autumn heron]

I am excited for Bozja part 3

[paper dagger]

5.55 is going to be MSQ, Bozja 3, and that's pretty much it right? Raids, Alliance Raids, and dungeons are done? Or will there be another dungeon/trial?

[bold condor]

I did not, do you mean Ghimlyt and Heroes' Gauntlet?

[paper dagger]

@pastel coyote You mean his Flesh Tower?

[autumn heron]

there is likely going to be another MSQ trial

[pastel coyote]

Please call it Mara

[subtle pasture]

A beast from a far away land, a harbinger and its agents, and a riddle-- also being a battlefield with our allies from across the alliance

[pastel coyote]

heh trial i don't know but solo duty probably

[bold condor]

I'm actually pretty happy that Zenos seemed genuinely upset about the failure there.

[dim sigil]

As far as im aware part 2 is just msq and solo RP trial

[bold condor]

It's not often he gets invested and he really wanted Lunar Bahamut to make an impression on us and Tiamat went and ruined it.

[subtle pasture]

Also, the Telo- prefix on most mobs vs the Terminus beasts

[gaunt star]

They always have 7 major trials per expac I thinks

[pastel coyote]

I'm not sure about that Rommy

[bold condor]

Dumb old Fanny and his dumb dragon.

[gaunt star]

Or well, 4 msq trials and 3 side trials

[silk cape]

Yeah I think that's more emotion than we've seen out of him since he shanked himself in the neck

[bold condor]

Making me rush to pick a weapon. Throw this katana at him see how he likes that.

[pastel coyote]

I think it's most that fanny failed and if he fail to do that, will he fail to make zenos have fun too ?

[royal spruce]

I really really hope this expansion doesn't end on another zeno fight

[subtle pasture]

I moreso saw the connections to Amaurot- esp between the Magitek core and the Terminus Bellwether. A friend said Ghimlyt bc the Alliance members sparsed throughout but yeah HG did that one too orz

[bold condor]

Rommy's Law. It never fails.

[autumn heron]

ZENOS 2: JUICY EDITION

[gaunt star]

Fighting Zenos got old after the first time

[wet crown]

another Zenos fight? We didn't even fight Zenos in 4.56

that was Elidibus

[subtle pasture]

A beast, a bellwether, an anomaly,

[royal spruce]

True but it was still in his body with all his moves

[oblique sedge]

^

[pastel coyote]

I predict the solo duty will make us fight all the lunar primal

[bold condor]

I'm going to take like

[subtle pasture]

but really I started thinking of it when I got to the 2nd boss, weird ass trash rush while the actual boss just spits aoes up top

[royal spruce]

same thing

[wet crown]

and the most pathetic concentrativity ever

[gaunt star]

You smack him a little bit then he does concentrivaty and then we get knocked back and then rinse repeat

[bold condor]

A wild guess and say that Zenos's next fight won't use the same mechanics as Ala Mhigo.

[wet crown]

You know how BLUs would KILL to get that attack? And Elidibus and goes and makes a fart joke out of it

[severe brook]

yeah if he gets a Scythe (which he will) he's going to fight very differently from how he did in the past

[subtle pasture]

I'm pretty alright with Diamond having not been the Zenos Oversoul, for another front of that

[wet crown]

Fucking. Weak.

[brisk quail]

Zenos is trying to swing his beeg warrior epeen to entice the wol and Tiamat goes ahead and draws on his dong pic. Now zenos is pissed 😤

[oblique sedge]

isn't the scythe also basically a new class coming for melee?

[royal spruce]

I'll admit that mistaken identity with the twins was hilarious

[oblique sedge]

reaper or something?

[brisk quail]

Reaper

[pastel coyote]

ho really ? You mean like a job who use maiming gear maybe ?

[brisk quail]

Like Sice. From type-0.
Dark/death magic and slicey slicey

[severe brook]

my guess is he'll have a warped version of the Scythe Job, like how he was introduced with a warped version of Samurai

[viscid monolith]

Again I don't get how people think Diamond having Zenos oversoul would be just fighting Zenos again.

[bold condor]

^

Hell, fighting Shinryu wasn't even the same fight as Zenos and that was literally Zenos.

[severe brook]

but we're fighting Zenos Lance! So we have to be fighting Zenos again!
Just like how Emerald Weapon fights exactly like Gaius in ARR!

[viscid monolith]

Ruby borrows some models from T9, and Emerald fights nothing like Gaius

[severe brook]

(/s)

[royal spruce]

I just hope by the end of 6.0 he stays dead this time never to be seen again

[gaunt star]

But we already have a Scythe, BTN

[bold condor]

It's called "Endwalker."

[pastel coyote]

So he will fly ?

[subtle pasture]

Well yeah, Ruby is miles from Nael in either the Rivenroad or T9, but Ruby and Emerald still thematically wrapped around their combat styles

[brisk quail]

Zenos gets stuck on the moon with all his battle horny

[bold condor]

Beginningflyer.

[brisk quail]

Forever alone

[wet crown]

what if the scythe job is called Endwalker?

[subtle pasture]

Absolutely not what I meant by it, anyways

[brisk quail]

Middleboater

[wet crown]

[bold condor]

Denouementbus.

[subtle pasture]

Who thought Diamond was gonna be an actual v Zenos fight

[viscid monolith]

People that don't like Zenos being the final villain

[bold condor]

A few people complained but really what they're trying to say is they don't want Zenos to be involved in any plots at all even tangentially.

[wet crown]

People who don't like Zenos

[royal spruce]

well Alphinaud turn sage 5.55 u think

[severe brook]

Climaxclasher

climax

[subtle pasture]

Huh, well that's still not what the prior Oversouls were remotely like, but I appreciate the story reason of Valens giving up utilizing the Zenos data for his volatilty

[wet crown]

[subtle pasture]

still not over its blood red core though

[brisk quail]

Zenos when he flights WoL:

[severe brook]

yeah man they did kind of spell it for us outright

[wet crown]

I am not over it in the slightest.

[viscid monolith]

It was still pretty stupid putting a guy that personally hates your guts into the core of a super weapon.

That was really stupid

[pastel coyote]

and for that, someone need to die

[severe brook]

Valens is clearly not actually that bright at all

[royal spruce]

[severe brook]

he might be intelligent in some ways, but he's far from actually being smart

[wet crown]

They could've brought in Shinryu's data, if they wanted to. But they pulled another bait & switch like Eureka and Horseryu.

[late aurora]

Valens: "The heck are emoshuns"

[autumn heron]

Valens got by being a slime bastard backstabbing everyone

[subtle pasture]

The core was probably oversoul'd and Valens didn't expect Allie's tear of all things to revitalize the Overmind-- that said, I did hope if that pilot was oversouled, they'd partially be able to shack it off, and they did

[wet crown]

Can anyone even say Diamond Weapon had a great trial? It was so mediocre and lacking.

[autumn heron]

its all he was actually good at and cause of bureaucracy he got appointed to his position

[subtle pasture]

was the tear activating it a dumb anime move, absolutely.
did I still love it, yes

it's a fun trial imo,

[viscid monolith]

By the way what exactly happened to the wife and child of the guy who was turned i to slime Zenos

[autumn heron]

Diamondwas good, just not as good as emerald

[subtle pasture]

extreme is much better, weird how it gets better with the prolonged immobile suit debuff

[pastel coyote]

They made a good contribution to science

[subtle pasture]

forcing to split across the platforms and be split, it was makes it up for me

[brisk quail]

Diamond Trial was a flop

[wet crown]

I don't think Emerald was bad in any way, but the trial fights were at the their best right at the start with Ruby

[brisk quail]

It felt like it was really lacking a Phase 2.

[viscid monolith]

It's just that they weren't wearing plug suits in the afterlife, so he must not have made them pilot.

[brisk quail]

It was super easy. And EX doesn't look that much harder

[subtle pasture]

EX makes up for the bland normal mode for sure,

just the typical tighter timings and being forced to react to mechs

[brisk quail]

It's just... platform swipes and the dash mechanic from grimlyt dark.

[wet crown]

but where is the grandeure?

where is the cool Weapon transformation?

a coerl form? A FUCKING CAT!?

[brisk quail]

It was so... blah.

But story-wise... that was the point. We just disabled diamond. We didn't want to force oversoul into a wild Phase 2

[torpid yoke]

Anything zenos is bad lance you should know this /s

[viscid monolith]

Where are the big fat tacos

[dim sigil]

G warrior being essentially just relegated to the Boss Arena floor kinda sucks

[autumn heron]

I assume we will fight Zenos in a solo instance in EW

[brisk quail]

Ahem. G savior

[wet crown]

the trial screams time constraints

[late aurora]

G-Savior 2

[brisk quail]

It's in savior mode because of the numerous missiles they launched at allie

[viscid monolith]

I hate that Au Ra girl for doing that to my baby

[autumn heron]

thats about it, they cant not make us fight him as fighting us is Zenos' entire goal

[dim sigil]

Nero making the 2 d one and making it red outta spite is great tho

[torpid yoke]

I don't get the hype of concentravity

[viscid monolith]

We were promised upgrades to G Warrior by Cid. This is at best a respec and at worst a downgrade

[brisk quail]

BRO. GIMMIE CONCERAVITY AS BLUE MAGE

[subtle pasture]

adamant purged is a cool transformation

[wet crown]

it's a coerl

[gaunt star]

anyone else fucking pissed by how many pfs cant do p3 of diex

[maiden lodge]

'but guys it's an aoe that... does... aoe damage'

[open verge]

Why didn’t they just reskin shinryu and not ifrit

[maiden lodge]

Like... BLU needs another AoE, guys!

[viscid monolith]

It looks cool

Using Concentrativity as Zenos in Dissidia is my favorite thing. You can even control the size of it. You can make a tiny personal shield or set off a nuke that wipes out the entire team at once.

[wet crown]

the move is fucking dope because it wipes the floor with the WoL the first two times it's used
and is an amazing showcase of how he grows over the duration of SB as a fighter

[open verge]

Maybe shinryu model is too big and they don’t want to use it

[brisk quail]

Yes.
And bring able to use Storm Swell Sword

Storm Swell Sword going off is just Zenos Battle Nut

[maiden lodge]

BLue mage would never get Storm Swell Sword.

[wet crown]

first time used, it was the end
second time, WoL survived it once
third time it still hits hard but doesn't disable

[maiden lodge]

Cause, it.... doesn't... have... three... katanas

[open verge]

Which move is concentrativity?

[viscid monolith]

It can just make 3 katanas

[wet crown]

Zenos's signature move

[maiden lodge]

The red aoe bubble thing he does

[viscid monolith]

The actual problem with SSS is the animation would be too long

[open verge]

Where he stabs the ground?

[brisk quail]

The one where the ground goes BRRRR.

And it goes crumble crumble as he makes a big aoe

[open verge]

And the screen goes white?

Searching up a vid

[maiden lodge]

In ALa Migho it's just his basic bitch aoe

[viscid monolith]

Concentrativity is purple btw

[vital brook]

boi

[maiden lodge]

He goes buwwwaaaaa and everyone takes aoe damage and... that's it

[vital brook]

I SAY BOI this not-released hairstyle looking fine

[strange wing]

H a t

Tiny hat must have

[open verge]

Ok I know what your talking about

[viscid monolith]

Wow I wish the Chief would have bashed Glagg with that giant hammer to establish dominance over these dumb dwarfs.

I can see why the first village hates these guys

[brisk quail]

https://youtu.be/n128D3pLAeM?t=215

[torpid yoke]

Because they wanted ifrit

[brisk quail]

That move

[open verge]

Why would they want something so lame

[paper dagger]

I found all the Dorf cutscenes hilarious because as a gigantic Roe in full Dark Souls armor I felt like I would reply to everything they said with "I could PUNT you past Eulmore from here..."

[wary spindle]

What's the name of the song that plays in the final cutscene of the Werlyt chain? The white background one. Anyone know?

[open verge]

The skill is super cool btw

[paper dagger]

Kaz, someone else was lookig earlier today. Don't think they found it yet.

[brisk quail]

Good.

[paper dagger]

Xianir, that's who was looking for that song.

[open verge]

Yea it’s in the cutscene where we say goodbye to ryne and I have no clue what’s it called

[paper dagger]

Might want to tweet it at Soken, he seems to reply a good bit on Twitter. Not all the time, but a good bit

[torpid yoke]

Because ifrit is cooler than dragon noodle wannabe that is shinryu

[vital brook]

bro it has an antenna, a smol ahoge

[dim sigil]

Ifrit recolor was certainly a choice

[gaunt star]

[visual spade]

Everybody, I got drunk to solve the mysteries of FF14

Time and space are meaningless before my intellect

[paper dagger]

Was it Malort?

[vital brook]

small antenna bro

[empty marlin]

Guys I have a question, I was rewatching the trailer, where did this happen??

[gaunt star]

[dim sigil]

If only zenos picked drk

[dim sigil]

Some trailer stuff is still yet to come for part 2

[paper dagger]

It hasn't yet

[empty marlin]

Oh okay!

[gaunt star]

that new hairstyle looks good damn

[empty marlin]

Because I was soo confused, I thought it was the new dungeon

[torpid yoke]

What's the new job called oh wise one

[dim sigil]

Sage

[visual spade]

SICKLE BOY

[gaunt star]

anyway 4 runs no chest piece, stupid raid

[paper dagger]

@torpid yoke Sickle Rick

[gaunt star]

So is Red Girl the new Cid Thundercock in terms of difficulty for people?

[wary spindle]

Think i found it @paper dagger "Where I Belong"

can't find a Roll though, just on youtube

[gaunt star]

technically red girl is eassier

Technically Cid was never hard at all people were just dumb

[gusty quest]

Which hairstyle is that?

[gaunt star]

its unreleased

[vital brook]

unreleased one

[last perch]

Just punt them regardless

[gaunt star]

we dont know drop source yet but probably bozja

[gusty quest]

Thanks, was wondering

[open verge]

Nier raids where all easy no fights like ozma or thundergod

[gusty quest]

Guess I've got something else to farm for