retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[vital topaz]

Ok, who are the Telophoroi? They just kinda popped outta nowhere

[gaunt star]

Good question

[dim sigil]

Rn just zenos and fandan

[severe brook]

Fandaniel's faction. Other members currently unknown.

Zenos is allied to them, but i wouldn't say he's actually one of them

[gaunt star]

Telephowho more like

[ashen violet]

zenos feels more like a benefactor rather than an ally i think

[dim sigil]

I imagine it's going to be made up of the other remaining ascians

[gaunt star]

Also ngl i keep forgetting we're a Scion then one of the others is like "lets go home" and i go "home... "

[obsidian pagoda]

Zenos is happy to let Danny boy do his thing, cause it aligns with what he wants with little effort from his part

[severe brook]

it's a back and forth. Zenos and the Telophoroi both have something to give to and gain from the other

[vital topaz]

I wonder if Garlemald is going to be a city state or just a little town in the corner of the map like Ala Mhigo sadly was

[slate badger]

is it just me or msq || was arenvald tripping obvious death flags earlier ||

[gaunt star]

Garlemald is huge

[severe brook]

it's going to be a Zone.

[obsidian pagoda]

BIG flags

[autumn heron]

Likely not as it is directly stated all the other sundered ascians either straight up dont care (like Gaia) or are too weak to do anything of note

[ashen violet]

plenty of them yeah

[severe brook]

Watto Voice RED FLAGS!

[vital topaz]

Wait, you're telling me an entire city is going to be A ZONE?

[gaunt star]

!faq worldmap

[lusty shadow]

Hydaelyn world map translated by Rommy 🌎

Image URL: https://i.imgur.com/JTbvskE.jpg

[severe brook]

https://youtu.be/x5EmpGOKB4A

[turbid aspen]

from what the presentation showed ye

[severe brook]

once you're caught up, look up the 6.0 stuff

[gaunt star]

Well i guess the whole garlean empire =/= garlemald?

[forest magnet]

not much of an empire left tbh

[autumn heron]

They said Garelemaud will be a zone in the EW announcement stream 2 months ago

[ashen violet]

there was this other jrpg where the town and a bit of its countryside was the world map, it can happen!

[obsidian pagoda]

You get to go to the capital but probably not much else

[dim sigil]

You can't just say that without name dropping the game

[gaunt star]

So we dont know what the main hub is, right?

[dim sigil]

No idea we know end game hub tho

[autumn heron]

The main endgame city state will be Thavnir

[gaunt star]

Yea. Also fuck x.5 chapters I don't wanna wait 6 weeks for part 2

[obsidian pagoda]

no that's the small town is Thavnair

[forest magnet]

at least it's shorter this time.

[obsidian pagoda]

Big one is speculated to be Sharlayan

[forest magnet]

Krile basically soft confirmed that.

[severe brook]

Thavnair may well be the one we go to first. we got to Rhalgr's first.

Sharlayan feels likely now, but I do think it could still be Abdella.

[autumn heron]

Sharlayan after the MSQ for 5.5 is probably the most likely

[gaunt star]

Wdym guys its clearly gonna be the moon

[forest magnet]

Is that one of the garlean cities?

[ashen violet]

ys9!

[severe brook]

it's a city in Landis, mentioned to have been industrialized and settled into a new normal post-colonization

i think that it'd work well to let us see how the Empire is handling its collapse

in fact, it's my guess for where the Trainyard dungeon we see in the concept art will be set

[ashen violet]

had to go fact check rq because was still just starting to play through the game but that's more or less the one

[forest magnet]

well we know they already have train assets. modern and old 🙂

I really wish we get to see them reuse some of the assets from tower. The aoe markers with the countdown ring are so cool and the flashing "!" when it gets close to executing. 👌

[severe brook]

some of them are rather specific. i'm sure the Angelic Rings won't be showing up outside of Nier again

[forest magnet]

you mean the rings where u have to match colors during final boss? I'm sure they could show up again. Even that mechanic was based off Mustadio sniper mechanic

[hollow vessel]

I would also assume Nerva might be in whatever friendly Garlean faction we meet, esp with the dialogue mentioning they just took off, also if Nerva is a part of the remaining Populares faction

[dire vector]

who do i talk to to start the diamond weapon quests

[severe brook]

actually, has anyone translated the Angelic Script from the last boss's attacks yet? i don't know if it's the same GCAT stuff from the Aegis Unit in Puppet's Bunker

[forest magnet]

It's just hiragana. Japanese text. Referencing how we're fighting in Tokyo.

[obsidian pagoda]

This is gonna end badly isn't it?

[vital topaz]

lol

[gusty quest]

Well it is true

[obsidian pagoda]

Oh dear

[turbid aspen]

lovely interaction

[dim sigil]

I love that it actually happened it what is a idea that people speculated what's going to happen

[obsidian pagoda]

The face of a man who knows he's in deeeeep shit

[heady shadow]

it was at this moment he knew- he fucked up --Morgan freeman

[visual spade]

Yo the ending of the Weapon story arc

[dim sigil]

This game gets progressively and progressively more anime

[visual spade]

that was some good shit. That was some heavy duty shit.

[obsidian pagoda]

Raha is fangirling over Estinien, this is too adorable

[visual spade]

Yes, it was anime as heck. But I'll allow it. Yoship clearly likes Evangelion

[severe brook]

Pop out the bad

[dim sigil]

Here u go

[visual spade]

he's kawaii

[obsidian pagoda]

He's so cute

[gaunt star]

The debuff for moving between platforms in Diamond Weapon is called "Immobile Suit"

[visual spade]

It's disgusting, let's leave him on the moon

[stiff charm]

graha pog

[vital topaz]

Creepy shot #2

[visual spade]

Valens is a megacreepazord

[gusty quest]

Valens can burn in the deepest depths of hell

[visual spade]

Valens does not get invited to anyone's birthday

[dim sigil]

party popper sound effect

[gusty quest]

They'd send him uninvites

[stiff charm]

guess im valens

[gusty quest]

Oof

[obsidian pagoda]

Estinien is such a good big bro to Alphinaud, I need more Esti-niichan stuff

[visual spade]

Esti's really changed

[stiff charm]

esti-niichan?

[visual spade]

I remember how harsh he was. He was a lot more like Fordola (minuts being a war criminal)

It's kind of nice to see now he's downright near as idealistic as the others.

[obsidian pagoda]

He was a loner. You could see he changed heaps. Even being buddy buddy with Orn Khai... It's too cute

[maiden lodge]

Also such a strange and cool subversion to have TIAMAT joining the good guys vs Bahamut

[open verge]

It’s not war crimes if their dragons

[gusty quest]

I do hope we get to see her and Hraesvelgr have an interaction at some point

[open verge]

I wonder who the main squad in 6.0 will be guess it’ll change zone to zone

[maiden lodge]

Oh, we also got an approximate time for when the dragons showed up: Second Astral Era.

[cinder badger]

So we got about halfway through the first boss on the new dungeon when our White Mage and dragoon died. Still finished as a paladin and black mage

[stiff charm]

itll change as they start dropping zone to zone

[vital topaz]

Since Makers ruin just played, its a DAMN shame that the OG makers ruin did not play AT ALL during 5.0

[open verge]

I really wish people start dying lol

[cinder spindle]

i wish Lunar bahamut would be so much more, Aside from being just a dungeon boss.

[stiff charm]

wol canon death when

[obsidian pagoda]

Alisaie is a complete and total Tsundere

[dim sigil]

Really being a end dungeon boss is probably the best thing that could have done for it I think

[vital topaz]

The last permadeath was Papalymo in 3.x patch quests

[open verge]

I want to see Zenos actually kill people off left and right l

[stiff charm]

i was hoping for solo duty tbh but the boss is fun
~~still mad we didnt get answers ~~

[dim sigil]

And they teased us with music in the pre cutscene but no

[open verge]

Having this be the end of the saga just for Zenos to not get his kill streak up would be lame

[cinder spindle]

Yeah

[stiff charm]

still sad hw is the only expac to get a unique patch dungeon boss theme

[vital topaz]

Actually no, Yotsuyu was the last Permadeath

[cinder spindle]

what about emet or elidibus?

[stiff charm]

shb could have benefited from maybe a tomorrow and tomorrow integration

[stiff charm]

assuming emet wont be brought back for cheap fanservice in a few years

[cinder spindle]

doubt he would comeback for a cheap fanservice. I haven't seen anyone get resurrected in this game.

[turbid aspen]

I was really hoping faith in her fury would be the bahamut fight theme but oh well it had a neat little cameo

[maiden lodge]

We kinda already got the best T+T possible in Invincible.

[stiff charm]

ok that is correct

[cinder spindle]

anyway does this mean the lunar bahamut is a seperate entity from bahamut?

[stiff charm]

yes, lunar primals are primals + weirdo telophoroi mindfuckery

[visual spade]

We have had a few bodycounts stack up

[stiff charm]

independent entity, they serve the telophoroi instead of their original concepts

[maiden lodge]

Basically the summoners are pre-tempered

[cinder spindle]

anyway best that they could do for lunar bahamut is a whole new trial on itself

[visual spade]

TBH I expect one of the Scions to bite it in EW

[maiden lodge]

And locked in a tower of tempering

[visual spade]

You gotta have at least one tragic death, my money is on Y'shtola

[stiff charm]

people keep saying the twins might die but i cant have ali die this early

[stiff charm]

i will not believe a yshtola death until she is buried

[gusty quest]

Guess we gotta wait and see

[visual spade]

Oh, one of the twins would make sense

Probably Alisaie, since she's so headstrong and is featured so prominently in the trailer

[stiff charm]

alphis arc is basically done but i cant handle that, ali would actually break me lol

[visual spade]

That'd be sad as crap though.

[cinder spindle]

stahp i just want alisaie to be alive 😦

[visual spade]

Alphinaud has a lot of growing to do, and long-term potential. He'd need to be alive for any Sharlayan arc.

[vital topaz]

I'm getting Bismarck vibes

[visual spade]

Urianger dying wouldn't really have the same impact

[stiff charm]

dies protecting his dad in sharlayan :(

[visual spade]

Thancred, ehh, if he was gonna die he'd have had a sacricfce in Shb

[cinder spindle]

anyway, is diamond ex easier than emex for y'alL?

[vital topaz]

Neat

[turbid aspen]

Diamond weapon fucking slaps

[visual spade]

I think the Scions will largely go to the background following EW. I wouldn't want to see them killed off in some later story arc after the big happy ending

[dim sigil]

They have to be around in some fashion because trust

[vital topaz]

Lets finish this

[stiff charm]

still mad he didnt die in the ranjit fight, got a couple tears out of me thinking he died and i got actually mad when he was just fine

but we got ryne pat in 5.3 so its ok

[gusty quest]

Remember to keep calm. And have fun!

[visual spade]

I'm glad Thancred keeps not being killed off, people have been calling for him to get culled since the start

[open verge]

Keeping thancred alive for Eden was a good call

[visual spade]

He's always been a character I feel the devs liked more than the fanbase, until he gradually got cooler.

I liked him especially since Heavensward

[stiff charm]

i always liked thancred, even with his old constipated va

[cinder spindle]

i liked thancred in shadowbringers

[stiff charm]

seriouisly listen to the parting glass cutscenes, he sounds like he has a lala up his ass

[tough ravine]

watching my fc’s main static blind prog diamond weapon ex, this shit is cool as hell

[gusty quest]

Thancred was always my fav of the scions. Followed by Urianger and Alisaie.

[visual spade]

Thancred is great in ShB, he's a main character for sure.

[vital topaz]

Nah, its more "This character is popular! I WANT THEM TO FUCKING DIE!" Same behavior with G'raha Tia. Its how the internet works

[visual spade]

G'raha Tia can never die. no

[stiff charm]

my fav was shtola in arr, alphi in hw, ali since stormblood (honorable mention to hot urianger in shb)

[visual spade]

no don't you do it, kill Alphinaud, you can have him

[stiff charm]

graha wont die lol he "died" already in 5.3

[visual spade]

Can Lyse die? Could that

[stiff charm]

he seems like he will last even if the scions all go to the back burner or die, hes our forever boy

[visual spade]

Could that happen I'd be okay with that.

[stiff charm]

raubahn needs to die to start an actually good lyse arc

[visual spade]

Lyse is definitely a sort of low point on the cast roster

Somehow I like the war criminal Fordola more 😄

[open verge]

Fordola is great

[gaunt star]

Graha tia not only has an insufferable personality but also has plot armor so unbelievably thick it’s impossible to not hate him!

[stiff charm]

id love destabilized ala mhigo after a raubahn death and lyse trying to rule (unsuccessfully)

[open verge]

Kan and lyse are in the same tier of boring

But I like lyse a little

[stiff charm]

i love graha but in 5.4 and 5.5 he has been a little annoying

[obsidian osprey]

So its decided! Estinien is finally apart of the Scions of the Seventh Dawn

[stiff charm]

hes a tsundere for krile and/or tataru im calling it

[open verge]

I hope they stop the UWU graha shit it’s cringe but the player base loves him for that

[obsidian osprey]

Also. Zenos is totally picking up the weapon of the new melee class e.e

Probs a scythe....

[gaunt star]

Estinien is the only one I can tolerate at this point because he’s well aware he’s surrounded by crazy people

[echo orbit]

it's a combine

scythe hints at farmer and combines are faster than children

[stiff charm]

i like cute uwu graha like end of 5.3 graha but overly competent anime boy uwu graha is insufferable ngl

[dull jolt]

What, I loved that tho myself

[stiff charm]

like when he does the hand thing and his ears go down? perfect. do that shit more, i love you

[torpid yoke]

i mean thats been him the whole time really

[obsidian osprey]

Graha is so relatable

[stiff charm]

but "ah i was in the crystal tower for over 100 years therefore i know everything look at me be perfect" is fucking annoying

[torpid yoke]

he is also old yet young at heart

[dull jolt]

Tbh his body is probably also still young

[open verge]

I guess it makes sense he’s still a cool character

[gaunt star]

Good lord that face/expression/hair combo is just

[stiff charm]

i love his va honestly

[obsidian osprey]

dude Graha looks like a drippy hippy.

[open verge]

I just think we have too many characters rn

[stiff charm]

I NEED THE HAIR I NEED IT PLEASE I BEG YOU YOSHI P I DONT CARE IF ITS MOGSTATION EXCLUSIVE $20 ONE PIECE UNDYEABLE SET I NEED THE FUCKING HAIR

[gaunt star]

Exactly. That’s why we should let Zenos kill some

[open verge]

So kill them all and keep fordola and estinen

[obsidian pagoda]

I unironically love G'raha's tail

[torpid yoke]

nah kill fordola

[dull jolt]

Actually, the dude is more old in heart but his body is actually young if we remember his OG body was still in the source for one year

[obsidian osprey]

with his big boi moon scythe

[gaunt star]

The only hair we need is estinien’s

[torpid yoke]

just because you said fordola

[forest magnet]

I like how Alphinaud spends a year+ in a world that's about to end and Fordola gives him shit for being too idealistic

[torpid yoke]

i think people just are too murder happy

[gusty quest]

Fordola's a grumpy guts

[cinder spindle]

Graha going from borderline old man to fanboying estinien was surprising

[dull jolt]

Fordola needs an BF probably with how grumpy she is

[forest magnet]

he was fanboying everyone in 5.4 lol

[gaunt star]

He needs to grow up

[stiff charm]

wounded veteran soft boy arenvald shall calm her down

[torpid yoke]

guys been alseep in a tower for years got out read about these incredible people went to the first where he spent another 100 years waiting and now here we are

let him fan boy

[tulip geyser]

Joy is not allowed

[stiff charm]

i mean remember the whole "my inspiration" scene post solo instance in kholusia

[torpid yoke]

obviously i can tell by being in this channel all day

[stiff charm]

that was the biggest instance of fanboying and i dont see any complaints about that let him meet people for a few patches

[gaunt star]

I can’t take meme characters like graha seriously anymore. Maybe as exarch but now? Literally nothing

[torpid yoke]

like i said. Its always been his character. People just suddenly dont like him because he is wise

[stiff charm]

the only thing i actually highly dislike, maybe even hate about current msq is the untempering scenes and how channeling aether looks

[ivory wolf]

G'raha's always been a dweeb

[stiff charm]

it is too bad shonen anime for me, idk. the whole holding hand out -> aether beam into porxie just exhausts me

[torpid yoke]

Hell graha literally tries to kill himself like a selfless anime protag

[cinder spindle]

DAMN WHY DOES ARENVALD TO BE SUCH AN IDIOT HE HAS LIKE A HUGE SHIELD YET he didn't use that

[ivory wolf]

He has a tiny shield lmao

[gaunt star]

Arenvald is just a himbo what were any of us expecting

[ivory wolf]

He even says as much himself

[tulip geyser]

Anyway he literally says basically hes just a dude with Echo

[stiff charm]

what if he intentionally didnt use his shield because he wanted to look stronger for his (obvious) crush

ultima himbo, arenvald

[gaunt star]

Too bad fordola is too emotionally stunted to maintain healthy relationships with anyone in her life

[vital topaz]

Wtf no 2nd Phase?

[stiff charm]

yeah sadge

[gaunt star]

They really hyped us up with Ruby weapon then meh

[vital topaz]

Does DW EX have a 2nd Phase with Zenos?

[gusty quest]

no

[river kestrel]

Nope

[stiff charm]

i wanted hyper eva transformations, i expected an berserk eva 01 tier diamond transformation

[tulip geyser]

Zenos oversoul too horny to control

[vital topaz]

...What a let down

[torpid yoke]

zenos data was wiped out in the cutscene

[gusty quest]

Emerald is the best for a reason

Just keep going. Things get better

[stiff charm]

cmon why cant we have this yoshi (eva spoilers i guess?)

this with one angel wing so soken can do his magic

[coral thicket]

the best part is the cutscene when diamond crashes into werlyt

[somber storm]

Zenos data too op for Valens

[coral thicket]

Valens can't even get into proper combat with Gaius

[gusty quest]

Valens is a little bitch

[tulip geyser]

VvV died horribly and rarely have I been that pleased with someone having a hard death

[coral thicket]

it was a little bit hillarious how he died

[stiff charm]

i am so glad he got popped, that was the most brutal thing in the game next to that one ilberd scene in 4.5

[gaunt star]

Tbh I kinda wish he survived he made for some interesting situations

[stiff charm]

i love when the tone just goes ZOOP like that

[gusty quest]

What scene was that?

[somber storm]

Balloon pop sound

[pulsar yacht]

Now if the bloodless carnage sound effects were better. Thanks esrb/cero

[coral thicket]

have you finished diamond weapon?

[stiff charm]

pre shinru summoning, hes lying on a pile of corpses and yelling about freeing ala mhigo or some shit

[gusty quest]

I have, I'm referring to the Illberd scene that was mentioned. Thank you

[stiff charm]

it also had hildibrand tier face rigging

[coral thicket]

oh

[gusty quest]

Illberd was an asshole. He will be remembered for one thing

[pulsar yacht]

S l o p p y

[gusty quest]

SLOPPEH!!

[grave elm]

oh no now the spoiler chat is degen

[dim sigil]

There isn't a dungeon for the part 2 patch right

[coral thicket]

no

will just be single player instance

[stiff charm]

sloppy~

[dim sigil]

So this iz it for shb

[grave elm]

single player instance with zenos

[gusty quest]

We just have 5.55 to go now

[coral thicket]

Yup. There won't be any other dungeons until next expac

[dim sigil]

Even though technically shadowbringers ended 5.3 but yeah

[tight current]

so uh how come the final boss has 2 heads?

[open verge]

Ilberd was such a good character

[torpid yoke]

its the red girl and 2p

[stiff charm]

fused 2p and red girl, seems also like an amalgamation of every drakengard/nier girl

[gusty quest]

He was a good asshole, that's what he was

[open verge]

Something something drakengard reference POGGERS

[dim sigil]

Main theme of final fantasy

[stiff charm]

a2 ish hair, flowers like the girl from drakengard 3? idk havent played, etc

[pulsar yacht]

Ending e drakengard to be exact

[gaunt star]

The final boss was actually perfect tbh

[stiff charm]

yeah'

[obsidian osprey]

sexy

[tight current]

I just watched ending E, the setting is the same ,but i wouldnt say the boss is there :v. Is it Drakengard 1 ending E?

[steep sorrel]

This raid is ...something elee

[coral thicket]

the flower and the city is from drakengard 3, the seed of destruction from drakengard 1

[stiff charm]

ok admittedly it does have very nice hips

[obsidian osprey]

gotta love a girl with two heads m8

Im joking btw. I hope yall realize that and i....didnt

[gaunt star]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-sarah-paulson-american-horror-story-freak-show-ahs-shook-gif-11350267

[vital topaz]

Go fuck yourself, Valens.

[coral thicket]

glad he got his dues

[gusty quest]

Pop

[coral thicket]

pop the balloon

[gaunt star]

Emperor valens > emperor varis

[dim sigil]

It was quite the sound effect choice

[gusty quest]

DEAR GOD NOOOOOOOOO

[coral thicket]

gaius fucked him up real good with that new move

[stiff charm]

he has the same blood thing as zenos lol

[vital topaz]

Do we see what happens with his head?

[stiff charm]

this was my closest source of this scene, yes i made this, im sorry

[gusty quest]

No

[vital topaz]

err, body

[coral thicket]

nope, just goes off camera

[gusty quest]

I refer you to my previous statement

[stiff charm]

there was no model in the throw animation lol they surely didnt want to show it

[dim sigil]

I am glad he was killed off rather than save for 6.0

[coral thicket]

It was nice yea

[somber storm]

Pop out the bad

[coral thicket]

We have one less psychopath to deal with now

[gaunt star]

That just means they’ll replace him with a worse one

[gusty quest]

How can you get much worse than Fandango?

[coral thicket]

lol yea maybe

[gaunt star]

They kill Emet=we get valens and fandaniel

[balmy mesa]

"see this is what you guys have done! how could you?!"

[somber storm]

At least we now have villains who are evil for the sake of evil

[open verge]

Where do you think nerva is rn?

[forest magnet]

Well we can toss the "Fandaniel works for the Telophoroi" out the window now.

[vital topaz]

AWWWW GAME DONT DO THIS FUCK

[open verge]

He’s probably pissing his fucking pants

[gusty quest]

Sad gaius makes me sad

[open verge]

What are the telephori are they just what we call the tower summons or what?

[somber storm]

Nerva is probably brainwashed

[gaunt star]

I wish we could have a face with levels of detail gaius has for our characters

[dim sigil]

That is a scene where lack of voice acting hurt it

[gusty quest]

We then untemper him. So we can smack him around

[obsidian osprey]

LMFAO. IM SAVING THAT

[open verge]

Yea it’s funny seeing gaius face and then you see a miqote face and it’s just wow these are not the same

[obsidian osprey]

so i have a question. What exactly...is the telephoroi?

[dim sigil]

Just zenos and fandan so far

[obsidian osprey]

I see. So basically Zenos' faction.

[dim sigil]

More like fan Daniels faction

[coral thicket]

we dont know exactly

[stiff charm]

bringers of the end, seems to be the faction controlling garlemald rn considering the new "telotek" enemies

[dim sigil]

But I'm going to assume there will be more

[coral thicket]

only that it's a cult

[gaunt star]

Sounds like a splinter faction of garlemald aligned with fandaniel and Zenos. Unclear if they are nobility or something else entirely

[obsidian osprey]

i see

[open verge]

Where did lunar bahamut come from?

[dim sigil]

Towers being All Flesh like was definitely some nice horror

[open verge]

Was it summoned in meracydia?

[dim sigil]

Probably just from another tower using dragons

[pulsar yacht]

Its not very clear if its just zenos + fan or the possessed garleans feeding the geiger towers to summon lunar primals

[obsidian osprey]

tbh if anything. The other members or well supporters of the telephoroi could potentially just be other sundered ascians maybe?

[stiff charm]

yeah, copy of what happened in coils

[unborn lantern]

I am now litereally dead. From Diamond Weapon ending...

[stiff charm]

i mean we could have a "convocation of six" if we include damndaniel lol

[open verge]

How do we know the telephori are a faction?

[unborn lantern]

It was harder than the trial itself, to not cry.

[dim sigil]

We know for sure this is inside a tower probably the biggest structure that thancred saw

[stiff charm]

they say so

[obsidian osprey]

Gamerfandaniel14

[maiden lodge]

Because it's a) not the tempered, and b) more than Fan and Zenos

[open verge]

I guess I missed that line somewhere

[stiff charm]

probably the 89 dungeon, 90 will be wacky mode im sure

[stiff charm]

fandaniel said "me and the telophoroi" at the end of 5.4 so its just kinda assumed its more people

[obsidian osprey]

To be honest, when i saw the inside of those towers. I was absolutely disgusted. I thought to myself...shit i didnt know Zenos was into this shit. But then i realized...he just wouldnt care....probs Fandaniel. Sadistic ass.

the squish sound when Arenvald stepped i was like EWW

[stiff charm]

the towers MUST be somewhat organic, i am terrified of what kind of living being they are made of

[dim sigil]

They squelch

[stiff charm]

he might just be using garlean soldiers biomass to craft them

[obsidian osprey]

EXACTLY. Endwalker....seems like its gonna be somewhat horrifying.

[open verge]

Oh now I get it the people in that tower are the new elephant beast tribe they revealed

[obsidian osprey]

this seems like something Exdeath from Final Fantasy 5 would do tbh.

[open verge]

It makes so much sense

[pulsar yacht]

If the towers cutscenes were the clue probably made of bodies

[stiff charm]

also can i just say i completely called them using tempering to make more loyal slaves to garlemald all the way back at the end of 5.3

[tulip geyser]

It kinda reminds me of Darkest Dungeon

[obsidian osprey]

The dude had a castle made out of flesh....totally hardcore bro

[dim sigil]

Probably to summon Amina ffx thingy

[tulip geyser]

Where you end up in the flesh of the thing thats gonna nom the world

[stiff charm]

oh no that means anima might be a dungeon boss pls

[maiden lodge]

Arch Ultima suddenly makes more sense

[open verge]

Anima is confirmed a trial

[obsidian osprey]

and rip those elephant beast tribe people man...like wtf. This shit is fucked up

[stiff charm]

maybe we will get 2 dungeon into trial moments

[open verge]

I mean we only had 1 lightwarden trial the rest were dungeon bosses

[dim sigil]

2 actually

[steel bobcat]

In the 5.5 trailer we clearly see lunar (?) odin, ravana, and ifrit. how you guys think we're taking them out in the next half of 5.5? another dungeon? solo instance?

[open verge]

Solo instance

[tulip geyser]

Deffo solo

[balmy mesa]

we may not even take them out

[pulsar yacht]

Solo definitely

[stiff charm]

solo instance boss rush

[tulip geyser]

And things will go promptly sideways

[dim sigil]

There's not going to be any more dungeons so solo we also seem to be playing gra ha in the trialier

[stiff charm]

just please PLEASE give us unique music. plese

[open verge]

The part 2 patch always ends on a solo instance

[gaunt star]

Yay

[vital topaz]

Gaius still has a lot to answer for. But this is a start,

[gaunt star]

Crazy fight

[pulsar yacht]

Or a cutscene and leave them for 6.0 leveling dungeons as lords of a prefecture (not sure what term to use)

[gusty quest]

Aye

[vital topaz]

EX or normal?

[dim sigil]

Is it Easter event yeeeeet

[gaunt star]

Ex

[tulip geyser]

Yeah its a start. He cant fix what he did, but he can move toward trying to make things better

[severe brook]

wait a minute...
those are matanga in the walls

[cyan pecan]

Does anyone have a list of where the new housing items is and how to get them?

[gaunt star]

Nah

[open verge]

Gaius dictator redemption arc > whatever the fuck Tsukis arc was supposed to be

[vital topaz]

Him and Fordola are really similar, actually wow

[severe brook]

those are elephant people

[gaunt star]

That tower is gonna be part of the thavnair dungeon, those are matanga

U probably go to thavnair cause of the tower

[dim sigil]

That looks like a pretty big place much bigger than one of the towers

[stiff charm]

if thavnair and tower are the same dungeon AND presumably 81 or 83 holy fuck endwalker will be crazy

[severe brook]

i never noticed that before, the Magus Sisters were the ones who drew my attention
but that's really weird, because we know there's at least one more Thavnair dungeon

[vital topaz]

Is Dadaius now a thing?

[open verge]

It would make more sense if the fire place was 81 and then we return to thavnir for the matang dungeon

[gusty quest]

Yea

[severe brook]

AND SHINE ON YOU CRAZY DIAMOND

[vital topaz]

Is Lahabrea one of the architects of Gaius' pain?

[severe brook]

Remember when you were young, you shone like the sun
Shine on you crazy diamond
Now there's a look in your eyes, like black holes in the sky
Shine on you crazy diamond
You were caught on the crossfire of childhood and stardom
Blown on the steel breeze

[open verge]

Other way around

[stiff charm]

inb4 lahabrea posessed gaius at the end of arr and has been playing a role

that or we killed thancred and bread kept the body alive somehow

[vital topaz]

what?

[open verge]

I read pain has plan my bad

You are right lahabrea tricked the fuck out of gaius so he went ascian hunting 😂

[gusty quest]

Gaius didn't appreciate being made to use Ultima

[stiff charm]

yeah, it was not his intention

[gusty quest]

Such devastation!!

[maiden lodge]

Gaius got his world view shook and now hes just out there taking score

[heady shadow]

quick wheres the Koji meme

[wary perch]

Anyone know where is graha before you talk to Lucia?

[gaunt star]

I saw a comment by ethys that was pretty funny, wherein gaius isnt actually killing ascians, but rather more like "spawncamping" them and killing them as soon as they are reborn so they cant get anything done

[tender fog]

it seems like this patch just sort of

constantly has internal leaks LMAO

[vital topaz]

leaks>

[stiff charm]

https://youtu.be/N2C7XTR2iHM
so i just found this

[open verge]

Wondering around looking for estinen

[tender fog]

its a lvl 50 alchemist quest but like, from the ps5 thing accidentally announcing 5.5 before they should of, to ps5 trophies leaking the last quest name in the current patch to this

[open verge]

Oh I don’t know if you can actually find him tho

[gaunt star]

I dont think the 5.5 release date "leak" from the president was a mistake lol, its just fun marketing

[open verge]

They didn’t announce 5.5 date on accident

[tender fog]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wary perch]

its theater. The CEO supposedly "leak" the patch date

[torpid yoke]

i said that earlier

[wary perch]

@open verge I found alphinoud and Alisie but can't find graha

[severe brook]

i wasn't here then, i apologize

[torpid yoke]

im just joshing ya

[gusty quest]

How dare you josh people

[subtle pasture]

From the new info, on that inner tower dungeon... 'm getting the vibe those are some type of beast tribe bound and the final boss will be their primals, Lunar Magus Sisters

--oh shit they are Matanga

[vital topaz]

Gaius gives me MGS4 Snake vibes now

[gusty quest]

Why's that?

[vital topaz]

Snake and Gaius both have done bad things sometimes, but they try to make amends as best they can

[gusty quest]

Ah I see

What did you think of the ending?

[torpid yoke]

seriously though....Where the hell did they get people that worship odin?

[gusty quest]

It's a mystery

https://tenor.com/view/scooby-doo-mystery-machine-cartoon-old-school-smoking-gif-16100024

[tulip geyser]

"Hey you guys want a sick sword?"
"Uh, sure."
tempered

[open verge]

That’s true

No one cares about Odin he’s a nerd weeb

[crystal pendant]

anyone know what the diamond weapons look like :3

[heady shadow]

people care as much about Odin as the peoiple in ff9 cared about ozma

though Ozma became swirling mass of....whatever. completely unknown what it looked like before.
alwasy killing you when you have levels of 5

[gaunt star]

Diamond weapons look kinda ugly tbh

[crystal pendant]

aww really

[dim sigil]

Diamond weapon weapons are pretty bad

[crystal pendant]

[dim sigil]

You have to like really be going for a specific look

[gaunt star]

The real gift of this patch was the byakko and hades weapons

[crystal pendant]

really wish i could see the weapons tho but oh well

[dim sigil]

U can

Just go over to the vendor

[torpid yoke]

the diamond daggers look nice

[crystal pendant]

oh! thank you!

[open verge]

What do the diamon monk weapons look like

[maiden lodge]

Step 1) Tower temper a bunch of fighty dudes
Step 2) Have the fighty dudes fight Odin
Step 3) The winner gets Zentetsuken
Step 4) The winner is now Lunar Odin.

[torpid yoke]

i guess

[deft burrow]

Did they really have to tease us with Zenos's weapon

[vital topaz]

DAWWWWWWWWWW

[torpid yoke]

real question though is why the lunar primals are sent to cartaneu in the first place

[open verge]

The chilling Nero is so nostalgic

[maiden lodge]

Even in the XIVth legion, Nero just sitting there being extra

[torpid yoke]

i would think that'd be where baha's tower would be

[gusty quest]

Nero is Nero

[gloomy lake]

This patch is great because Gaius has finally found his place in the world for certain.

[velvet sequoia]

i want this damn mace SE gimmie 😩

[deft burrow]

its in the game...

[maiden lodge]

And he has a friend now, willing to back him up and keep him on the straight and narrow.

[deft burrow]

that's drg cryptlurker weapon, I literally have it

[velvet sequoia]

its the what

[torpid yoke]

pretty sure thats actually a weapon

[deft burrow]

tomestone drg weapon

[wet mountain]

So since we get two totems per kill on diamond weapon does this mean we only need to kill diamond weapon 50x?

[velvet sequoia]

dragoon... gets a mace wtf

[deft burrow]

yeah

[dim sigil]

All the wepons there are ones you can get

[torpid yoke]

Thats where i recongized it from. i thought it was a drk weapon

[severe brook]

it has a sharp spike on the end, you can see it stuck in the ground

[deep blade]

what's the enrage timer on diamond EX

[somber storm]

Drg gets a spear mace

[deft burrow]

ye

[vital topaz]

AWWWWWWW GODAMMIT FEELSBRINGERS!

[velvet sequoia]

that sucks :(

[gloomy lake]

Patch has a lot of QoL changes. Like in Puppet's Bunker, each alliance has their own set of baubles to roll on. Minions, cards, orchestrion rolls.

Now you only compete with your own alliance's members.

[somber storm]

So Zenos mains PLD, DRK, SAM, DRG and WAR

[gusty quest]

It makes my heart feels warm things

[velvet sequoia]

i wish there was a mace wielding job or a mace weapon for war/pld :(

[wet mountain]

I cried during that scene

[torpid yoke]

maces boring

[velvet sequoia]

new dungeon pretty

[maiden lodge]

That's right, you cried. I didn't cry, you just got your face water on me!

[torpid yoke]

all about them scythes and gun hammers

[velvet sequoia]

you take that back how dare u... yes to hammers tho

[somber storm]

https://tenor.com/view/russell-crowe-maximus-gladiator-fields-gif-12708940

[torpid yoke]

not regular hammers though. Those are boring

[gloomy lake]

lol, I thought it was hilarious that the new dungeon gear is stylized after the beastmen.

[maiden lodge]

The new dungeon is pretty on the ears too

[wet mountain]

Yeah

[gusty quest]

I didn't tear up. I just sweat through my eyes

[somber storm]

Pretty cool for all the other beast tribes to show up in the dungeon

[deft burrow]

Estinien is so badass still

[maiden lodge]

Those weren't tears I just got a leak in my ceiling that's fixed now

[wet mountain]

He is HOT

[torpid yoke]

ill say it again. maces are boring

[velvet sequoia]

i wish i got headpats like estinien headpatted alphinaud

[wet mountain]

Especially in JP VA

[velvet sequoia]

:)

[gentle temple]

Oh God, they're going to ||kill Arenvald, aren't they? That death flag is raising SO HIGH||

[gusty quest]

So, what did you think of the ending?

[teal geyser]

Crimson

Crimson red flag

[vital topaz]

Feelsbringers hit me one last time, those sons of bitches

[dim sigil]

Definitely data mine spoilers but uh || wasn't there a styche someone found ||

[somber storm]

Big red flags

[severe brook]

"I am proud to call myself your son."

Sobbing

And then it keeps. going.

[gusty quest]

Good. If you feel nothing then you are a Valens. Remember, nobody wants to be a Valens

[viscid monolith]

It just hit me that this is all 9S' fault

[teal geyser]

If you feel nothing then you successfully burned out the bad

[viscid monolith]

God I hate 9S

[maiden lodge]

I dunno, I think we should give a hand to Valens.

[severe brook]

like diamond did

[maiden lodge]

Give him a big hand, everyone. Especially you, Alphonse.

[vital topaz]

On one hand, I'm glad VvV is fuckin dead, but on the other, I kinda wanted to see what sick shit him, Fandaniel and Zenos could have come up with.

[gaunt star]

Any scythe people may claim to have found could belong to botanist

[maiden lodge]

Also Nerva having pulled out of the capital is interesting

[severe brook]

Valens walks into hell, finds the other villains waiting there.
And when they ask him what he did, even they are disgusted.

[gaunt star]

The most likely situation is that Zenos had nothing in his hand because they haven’t made the model yet

[viscid monolith]

Maybe if 9S had just explained his situation instead of trying to murder us things wouldn't have gone this far

[gusty quest]

He then gets sent to super hell

[teal geyser]

Pulled out...maybe...probably?

[vital topaz]

I personally think its Lunar Zantetsuken

[wet mountain]

Zenos will uses a blitzball

[open verge]

Oh wow I watched ending E of drakengard and it didn’t magically fix the nier storyline

[severe brook]

this is the only Super Hell gif i could find
https://tenor.com/view/beck-vans-outpost-super-hell-narumitsu-gif-19224072

[open verge]

🙈

[somber storm]

Tfw no aether sabre for us yet

[maiden lodge]

The alternative being 'is now worker bees building a tower out of other worker bees'

[teal geyser]

Yeah

[wet mountain]

Give us a blitzball wep

[severe brook]

what even is narumitsu

[balmy mesa]

there was a glowy blue one I found but I don't think it's new

[teal geyser]

Tbh at least Nerva was nice enough to pull out though ay?

[somber storm]

I want my goddamn lightsaber YoshiP

[maiden lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/firefly-gif-6059331

[severe brook]

||he has a strong pull out game||

[vital topaz]

And there we go

[random anvil]

I'm glad Tiamat finally freed herself

[vital topaz]

Alas, now I am like everyone else

[severe brook]

time for bozja

[random anvil]

and voiced AmalJaa

[severe brook]

go forth knight, go to the land of the lion men

[gaunt star]

Was the weapon described as unwieldy or am I miss remembering

[teal geyser]

Zenos' new thing? No, Fanny just said he wasn't expecting it but it's apt

[severe brook]

...you know Tiamat's condition is going to raise a whole new round of questions as to how Tempering works

[somber storm]

Sword whip

[gaunt star]

Suspicious

[severe brook]

because now people are going to be like "but what if the Ascians are like Tiamat and only half-tempered?"
we'll have to deal with our own super hell

[teal geyser]

I just want to know how those FUCKING GIANT WOUNDS HEALED INSTANTLY AFTER GETTING UNRESTRAINED

[gaunt star]

Dragon magic

[severe brook]

it's aether i barely gotta explain shit

[somber storm]

Dragon regen

[teal geyser]

Fuck offfffff "dragon magic"

[wet mountain]

Can someone carry me on cloud deck ex I'm on phase 3

[gaunt star]

Auto potion

[vital topaz]

Lingering Will did Sword Whip YEARS ago in KH2 back on PS2 for KH2 Final Mix tho

[maiden lodge]

Tiamat saw Bahamut as an equal, not as a God.

The Ascians made Zodiark to be a God.

[subtle pasture]

But he was made from someone they all considered like a younger brother

[maiden lodge]

That said, Fandaniel not being tempered... that is probably what it explains.

[severe brook]

oh yeah i'm well aware, the lore answered that query from the get go
but do you think this fanbase will care?

[maiden lodge]

Okay but... we know they considered Zodiark to be a god. We... know this.

[gentle temple]

;_; I finally get ||Arenvald and Alphinaud being cute in a scene together again and it feels so bittersweet because they're totally never gonna see each other again, are they?||

[severe brook]

there's also that even as aether-dense as Tiamat is, she's probably not as aether-dense as Hades and he was still fully tempered as far as we're aware

[subtle pasture]

We do know it, we also know they consider his Heart to be like a little brother.

[teal geyser]

I mean, by that logic wouldn't any normal tempering work like that since some random Ul'dahn wouldn't believe in ifrit and ergo not consider them a god?

I don't think this really explains Fanny in the most common sense way anyway

[severe brook]

they'll see each other at least one more time.
||remember when Alphinaud is trying to heal someone and fails in the trailer?||

[gentle temple]

Oh God no

[severe brook]

[maiden lodge]

No but it gives an opening to explain how there can be an exceptional case, if one exists in Fandaniel.

[vital topaz]

I have to wonder if they're ever going to try the porxie untempering thing on on of the Ascians now

[teal geyser]

sure

[severe brook]

on a side note this name i chose is funny since Diamond ended up being Mark I

[teal geyser]

Kill them all and let the Gods sort them out

[viscid monolith]

I love first week bumbling morons in 24 mans where people forget how to play their jobs

[subtle pasture]

no use, the Unsundered and originally tempered to Zodi are no more, really

[maiden lodge]

It's good worldbuilding, set up the explanation in advance, before there's a thing that needs explained.

[gentle temple]

||maybe it'll be Fordola. Honestly her flag feels like it's being raised, too.||
I don't want it to be either of them, though..

[maiden lodge]

If I can't convince them, I can remember them.

[teal geyser]

Oh real talk, Actually lowkey mad that 5.5 never gave us a ||"I won't try to understand Fandaniel"|| option in dialogue

[maiden lodge]

That was a badass line

[gentle temple]

Anyway, time to soldier on I guess

[teal geyser]

Like, I wanted to ||tell Estinien so bad that I did not give a shit what Fanny feels if he wants to destroy the planet but noooooooooooo||

[deft burrow]

evil

[gentle temple]

I took almost a week off and at this rate I'm gonna be caught up by tomorrow XD

[severe brook]

yeah, i still figure Fandaniel's Fandaniel because the Sundered Convocation aren't actually tempered anymore
they appear tempered but Sundering and/or Death undid it, and with enough thought they can break out of it

[maiden lodge]

The problem though is that the WoL's characterization is that they do try to understand, and not condemn enemies for being enemies.

[teal geyser]

We've killed many people without trying to reason with them just saying

[severe brook]

"Actually Estinien I'm with you on this one."

[teal geyser]

and we've had the option to say much worse stuff. Saying ||"Fuck Fandaniel" is not that FAR from a WoL thing|| all things considered

[maiden lodge]

Sometimes we can't. But condemning enemies for being enemies is... like... the whole cautionary tale of Ishgard. We learned not to just do that.

[rare sinew]

What is the significance of the white orb in Nier story? Im curious how it and the xiv part of the story relate

[vital topaz]

SO, after Valens death, how many Legati are left alive?

[maiden lodge]

That doesn't mean Fandaniel gets a pass, but understanding him, if nothing else, helps stop him.

[wind bough]

It's from Drakengard, not Nier.

[rare sinew]

Ah. Could ya explain the significance of it? I dont get it

Or could ya point me to a reliable wiki?

[heady shadow]

seed of destruction

[gaunt star]

It’s like a goddess egg or something

[teal geyser]

I II III IV V VIII IX X XI XII (technically) XIII I suppose but it really isn't clear who is actually left given all the shit that's happened

[gentle temple]

He hasn't done anything bad enough to rate ||threatening to rip his heart out with your bare hands. Yet.||

[heady shadow]

you put dead people in itthen monsters come out

[wind bough]

It's a Seed of Resurrection, aka a Seed of Destruction, which appears as a sign of the end times in Drakengard 1. A human who enters the seed is recreated as like a horrible angel of death

[severe brook]

Unknown, as we don't know exactly how many Legions were still functional before the present, and that was before the Empire was crumbling in on itself

[teal geyser]

Massive difference between what I said and what you said

[wind bough]

And seeds around the world start churning out more

[wind bough]

Think Lukh'a's referring to that one HW dialogue on Ser Zephirin

[severe brook]

thankfully, there seems to have been only the one Seed so far
but maybe that'll change

[rare sinew]

Is Drakengard related to Nier?

[vital topaz]

Have we gotten our new Bozja Zone yet?

[severe brook]

Nier is spun off of Ending E of Drakengard 1. Drakengard 3 and Automata are linked as well.

[gentle temple]

Yeah but that's the nastiest thing theWoL has ever said, I think XD

[teal geyser]

It's a connected multiverse, some characters in Drakengard hop into the Nier universe and cause a giant cascade of things that basically causes the end of the world, it's...complicated

[rare sinew]

I... uh..i see

[severe brook]

also Nier and Drakengard are in a time loop where they each kick off the other's universe forever.

[gentle temple]

Point was yeah, WoL can get pretty angry XD

[wind bough]

Nier is a sequel to an ending of Drakengard where characters cross over into the real planet Earth.

[severe brook]

notably, Drakengard also takes place in an alternate Earth.

[teal geyser]

Seemingly anyway, isn't the idea of the Nier going into Drakengard is just a really good fan theory?

[vital topaz]

I am torn on whether or not to do Bozja before I start my alt character for making lore videos

Ah what the hell I'll do it

[wind bough]

This ends up causing an apocalypse which after thousands of years leads to the first Nier game, NieR: Gestalt/NieR: Replicant

And thousands of years after the events of that comes NieR: Automata

[vital topaz]

Bozja starts in Rhalgr's right?

[heady shadow]

2000 years

[severe brook]

Automata mentions that the Androids (not YorHa but Androids in general) cleaned up Magic and MaSo, put it all in the ruins of Tokyo, and then launched the ruined city into another dimension.

In Drakengard 3, a ruined (modern) city filled with monsters spontaneously emerges in the middle of not-Spain in the year 768 AD, which brings magic to the world.

[heady shadow]

well the shit hit the fan onj earth in 2006 i think

[late aurora]

Also Drakengard 3 has alt timelines

[heady shadow]

and then went on into 2024

[teal geyser]

Automata mentions that the Androids (not YorHa but Androids in general) cleaned up Magic and MaSo, put it all in the ruins of Tokyo, and then launched the ruined city into another dimension.
I...don't remember this but that sounds like a fucking thing they'd do

[severe brook]

Datalogs are fun

[heady shadow]

Nier is like 3424 or something.
and automata is 102437 or whatever

[vital topaz]

FF13 Story Sweats nervously.

[severe brook]

and then at the end of (one timeline of) Drakengard 1, a man, a dragon, and a Grotesquerie Queen get launched from the Drakengard Earth to our Earth in 2006, bringing magic and maso to the world and kicking off an apocalypse

[teal geyser]

btw just want to say this again, the lore between Drakengard and Nier Gestalt/Rep is fucking insane and literally the best part of the entire series single-handedly

[heady shadow]

Honestly the maso thing would have been fine if they didnt nuke Tokyo

[severe brook]

yes, this means that magic in Drakengard/Nier is a paradox and shouldn't exist

[teal geyser]

ehhhhh

Nuking Tokyo really did fuck themselves over real hard but I think they were fucked anyway

[vital topaz]

What do you think Cali, do I do Bozja before continuing on my alt character to make Lore videos?

[teal geyser]

idk

[severe brook]

Bozja will give you more lore material

you should do it so you're ready for the finale in May

[heady shadow]

also this started when Cathedral city appeared and created the Time displacment thingy

[teal geyser]

When do we get Accord origin story btw?

[vital topaz]

Oh so thats when the new Bozja zone comes?

[heady shadow]

we never did.

[teal geyser]

Yeah, I asked when do we get it?

Gimme

[severe brook]

but also the time loop might just be the way that Watchers come into worlds to consume them because gods hate humanity or something.
which seems to be the implication ||from the end of Dark Apocalypse.||

[gaunt star]

Sooo were 100% going to sharlayan now huh

[heady shadow]

all we knew was she was sent back in time to figure out how the save the world or figure out how/where the fuck Cathedral city came from since thats ground zero of all the bullshit

[teal geyser]

Yeahhhh

[severe brook]

it feels likely but a part of me still feels it's a bait and switch

[random anvil]

Damn Auphinaud really didn't learn anything from The Braves

[heady shadow]

Oh when?

probably drakngard 4 or something.
or maybe Nier showing that it was someones fault that it happened in the first place i guess

[severe brook]

because our discussion about Zodiark restoring the world the other day made me realize
that killing him might cause the world to become wasted and barren again
so we'd need to find a way to rejuvenate it without his Primal Power.
which we might be able to find through Sharlayan.

because there'd be something fitting that the ultimate test of their noninterference is not in fighting an absolute threat, but in rebuilding from its aftermath

[teal geyser]

Just use that sick soil and stuff Sharlayan made

[severe brook]

ARCHON LOAF FOR ALL

[late aurora]

Zodiark and Hydalean are gonna fuse or somethin

[vital brook]

Man

[severe brook]

regardless of circumstances, i don't think either is making it past the end of 6.0

[vital brook]

They are taller REEEEEEEEEEEEE

[severe brook]

see, my guess
is that we'll end up needing to destroy both zodiark and hydaelyn
which will result in the world being safe from Zodiark's hunger and destructive potential
but might cause great damage to the world in so doing
because

"Our progeny may never know
Wherefore we look unto the sky,
Nor why we dig for truths below;
We bear their scorn or watch them die."

future generations may hate us for the devastation zodiark's death would cause, but it'll be the only way to let them live

at least, that's my guess for what that poem will end up meaning

[vital topaz]

Will Gaius ever dawn his Armor of the Black Wolf again, this time using it for good?

[severe brook]

probably not
it's a symbol of what he used to be

now, maybe he'll get a new suit of armor at some point?
but he likely won't have the Black Wolf armor again

[vital topaz]

He could make White Wolf armor, and be like Gandalf.

[severe brook]

Green Wolf

[polar star]

ok sorrows of werlyt is the best side story in the whole game

[teal geyser]

I hate this idea oh god why

[severe brook]

yeah Werlyt's story is great

[polar star]

I just finished it and MMMMMM

[severe brook]

LUPUS ORBIS! LUPUS ORBIS! LUPUS ORBIS ASCENDIT

[teal geyser]

Nier better ||/s||

[severe brook]

...i will say that Nier's finale theme was better than Diamond's

[vital topaz]

Is it worse than the idea of Valens living and doing even more sick shit with Zenos and Fandanial as his fuckbuddies?

[polar star]

I don't think there's a single person out there who unironically likes Nier raid story

[late aurora]

Did you guys know that 2B’s model is actually shorter than 9S’s

[oak pike]

i like the nier third raid

[teal geyser]

Yes

[severe brook]

i liked the finale

[turbid aspen]

nier zzzz
triumphant ultima :ExKirbyVibe:

[polar star]

Tower at Paradigm's Breach is fun

[severe brook]

i mean honestly the Nier Raids are fun
and i think the character interactions can be fun when they happen
it's just that the plot itself isn't intertwined to those things very well

[polar star]

< me fighting diamond weapon
< me fighting final Nier raid boss

[severe brook]

do you not like ||Trains||

[polar star]

no

[severe brook]

Tower at Paradigm's Breach spoilers without context
https://tenor.com/view/funny-iliketrains-trains-gif-4905803

[twin horizon]

2>3>1 for me

[oak pike]

i was surprise to see the hacking minigame in one of the fights

[twin horizon]

copied is really rough with a lot of damage sponges

[twin horizon]

a lot of my static never played nier so that was fun to explain

[somber storm]

Gaius the White Wolf, Witcher

[random anvil]

The Nier setup was so wack and shoe-horned in

[severe brook]

Sorrows of Werlyt ending spoilers without context

[polar star]

I love how now that I'm bis I never have aggro stolen from me in alliance raids

[twin horizon]

i like it as a nier fan but it doesnt fit at all immersion wise to anyone that cares about that

[oak pike]

like you need the knowledge of the nier and drakengard games to make the story more enjoyable

[severe brook]

the unfortunate thing is i am both a nier fun but also like when things are integrated well

[random anvil]

the raids themselves are okay, but i couldn't give any less of a fuck about the dwarves

Same thing with Ivalice

[severe brook]

the thing is, the dwarves are the only thing really tying Nier to XIV

[oak pike]

as a nier thing its cool but couldve been intergrated in better

[twin horizon]

the ivalice series fit well since ff games share concepts and themes to intergrate, nier is so far removed that it , doesnt

[random anvil]

it's literally white stuff fell on our planet, drama ensues

[maiden lodge]

This.

Ivalice was built on FF14 lore as its foundation.

[twin horizon]

liek shit || the ending is a reference to the queen battle in tokyo from nier1, which is cool as fuck, but immersion wise lolwut||

[severe brook]

the thing is, Automata actually does fit in with ShB's themes specifically

• living in a world on the brink of disaster
• having to deal with the legacy of a long-gone species that came before whose ghosts still haunt you
• slowly creeping in eldritch doom

the problem is that Dark Apocalypse doesn't use any of this but the last, and the last doesn't come in until the end.

[twin horizon]

its just a drakenier themepark for the most part

[maiden lodge]

It wouldn't have taken much to make it work either.

[severe brook]

yeah i know right

[twin horizon]

i like themeparks and like nier so i enjoyed it, but if you dont care for it or value immersion its, meh

[forest magnet]

can any weebs translate the hiragana?

[severe brook]

i saw someone predicting that Dark Apocalypse would be connected to the Black Rose Timeline somehow and that could've been a cool way to do it

[forest magnet]

Does it even make sense to combine it with english?

[twin horizon]

i assume its part of the stock stuff of passanger trains

[severe brook]

or have this world's iterations of the Androids and Machines be self-replicating creations of some Anamnesis-like Facility futilely trying to rebuild the Ancients
or something

[twin horizon]

nothign lore important i imagine

[somber storm]

I think it's supposed to be a Japanese train announcement since those do English and Japanese

[severe brook]

instead they have a reason for it that apparently only i got on first reading
which is a bad sign

because we all know how absurd my interpretations tend to be

[twin horizon]

you could literally have it ||run off the ending where adam eve and 9s leave earth in the arc|| and it being the first equivalents to the dragons

being aliens n all

[forest magnet]

If you translate the hiragana does it actually fill in the letters that are missing in the english?

[late aurora]

We will soon be stopping...danger...the train...to insure safety please...

[severe brook]

i think the implication is that ||The Seed is using the Ark's data as reference to build all this||

because that's what it does, it scans a reference and then constructs its own duplicates of it to act as its agents

but this is so barely explained that no one gets it

[maiden lodge]

I mean one thing it could have done was foreshadowed there was.... a threat... to the First... before now

[twin horizon]

i need to do it again since runnign it at 3am didnt do my any favors

[forest magnet]

so those hiragana characters are the english equivalent of
"n be stopping"
"ain"
"e"

[severe brook]

yeah that'd be nice

[late aurora]

Not at all, I just filled it in using context clues

[severe brook]

even the twists with Puppet's Bunker barely make any sense with the final reveal, unless the P-Units were trying to become a Grotesquerie Queen and were doing it so badly that it was unrecognizable?

...wait shit was that it

[forest magnet]

Ah, I was wondering if the japanese actually filled in the words, and if such a thing would even work. lol

[twin horizon]

if a reference was Vauthry was building forces/power to hold off the androids so the first could die in peace

[maiden lodge]

Fuck I dunno, it's a space flea out of nowhere.

[twin horizon]

since mt gulg is the perfect fortress considering u can SEE the bunker from it

plus itd give him a bit more humanity

[cinder badger]

Zenos' weapon is a nerf bat

[severe brook]

because at least the Seed method explains how it all got there without anyone noticing
because none of that stuff was there until very recently

the bunker didn't crash there, it was built underground

[forest magnet]

So the seed of destruction is like Lavos/Jenova?

[severe brook]

...i think the Factory was built by machines after the Seed made them? or something? and that's why it didn't fade away after?

yes they have made the Seed of Destruction a High Seraph-esque Lavos/Jenova

[maiden lodge]

If Lavos and Jenova had no mention of their existance in the plot, yes.

[forest magnet]

That's the case in its original context?

[severe brook]

not in the orignal context

[forest magnet]

Oh ok

[maiden lodge]

Dunno, don't care. That's what it is in this context.

[severe brook]

Yeah that's the key issue

[forest magnet]

Turns out writing for MMOs is hard.

[severe brook]

They just show up in the intermediary quest so that they're not a total mindfuck in the finale

but it's still so late in the story that it's too little too late

[maiden lodge]

no, turns out when you have episodic content, using it effectively is a long established art.

[twin horizon]

if its knew why does it look like ass, unless the only record was the factory ina delapitated state, so it made it look old as balls on purpose, which is kinda funny

[viscid monolith]

Who the fuck is this little girl

[twin horizon]

automatta reference

[viscid monolith]

What the fuck was thaf

[severe brook]

I think that is the case. It's a movie set.

[maiden lodge]

I mean it's a copied factory.

[severe brook]

It's like Amaurot (see, more overlaps they could've done and didn't do) in that it's made to recreate a specific moment of time

[twin horizon]

nier:A spoilers https://nier.fandom.com/wiki/Red_Girl

[severe brook]

in Drakengard 1, the Seeds are known as the "Seeds of Rejuvenation" until the end
it was thought they would be the means by which the gods would redeem mankind, only for them to turn out to be the means by which mankind is destroyed by absorbing a corpse, turning it into a giant scorpion-angel, and then creating hundreds of scorpion-angels to end the world

[twin horizon]

i can see a rewrite where its some version of 9s tryint to recreate what he knew with the seed/arc

[carmine basin]

No creepy flying babies 😔

[maiden lodge]

Ultimately it comes down to the big problem.

CBU3 decided to use FF14 to tell a story about Nier, instead of using Nier to tell a story about FFXIV. Crystal Tower set the bar. And not a fucking high one.

[frank raptor]

The raid already ends and they havent explain why we have bunch of ||2B dead body|| on copied factory

[severe brook]

(and then comes Drakengard 2, where one Seed in particular merges an idiot Bard and the scorpion-angel's corpse and dragon blood into an idiot half dragon protag who is the chosen one who'll save everybody instead)
(i don't like Drakengard 2 that much)

[twin horizon]

thankfully they said next set will be ffxiv specific liek mhachi and not a crossover set

[severe brook]

...you're right that makes absolutely no sense in hindsight

and it's not just some easter egg, that room is plot important

[twin horizon]

my only thoguht is if its the seeds taking on the data of the arc, there was a shit ton of dead 2b copies on that thing

[open verge]

How y’all feel about dungeon theme?

[severe brook]

pretty good rearrangement of Pitfire

[maiden lodge]

Pretty DAMN good.

[twin horizon]

shoulda been the kobolds

[open verge]

Kobolds was last patchdoe

[twin horizon]

okbut more of them doe

[maiden lodge]

Kobold dungeon already exists.

[twin horizon]

( i just think theyre neat)

[vital topaz]

Guys how did they get access to SMTV's OST so early? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKswcDG9cA4

[maiden lodge]

Amal'jaa are the first beast tribe that we brush toes with, ending ShB with them makes sense.

[severe brook]

because like, 9S was actually completely sane the whole time in his Dark Apocalypse iteration
and his complicated relationship with 2B isn't present at all
so there's no reason for him to have slaughtered a bunch of her, where he feasibly could've in Automata

so why did that room exist

[open verge]

9s isn’t a character in this raid

[severe brook]

that room is going to make me hate Dark Apocalypse now lmao

[open verge]

He literally does nothing do we even talk to him

[severe brook]

i don't think we ever do

[late aurora]

9S hacks the doors

[vital topaz]

Didnt Yoshi P say that Gaius will have some role to play in 6.0, but isnt going to be a major character?

[severe brook]

but, outside of the raids themselves
we never talk to him

[frank raptor]

Personally think we are more attached to 2P instead of 2B or 9S at this point

[maiden lodge]

Yeah, which fits with his current standing

[open verge]

Oh wow he still sucks and couldn’t have been written out of the game

[severe brook]

i mean 9S is a great character in Automata proper

[open verge]

All 9s and 2b is show up and hit stuff no character to them at fucking all it’s so annoying

[maiden lodge]

tbf, they're not the real 9s or 2b either

[severe brook]

yeah at least we have that solace

[dim sigil]

Gaius's arc feels done tbh

[maiden lodge]

They're not the same character.

[vital topaz]

Fits, since Gaius techincally "died" back in ARR, if you wanna call it that.

[maiden lodge]

in a metaphorical way, sure.

[open verge]

I don’t care if if it’s the real 9s or 2b I just wanted them to have some character

[severe brook]

...you know, i do hate the "it's meant to be bad" excuse
but maybe this is intentional?
like some absurd commentary on crossovers between video games in general
because i could see YT doing something like that

but also i hate "It's meant to be bad" so it being intentional doesn't retroactively make it good

[maiden lodge]

Yoshi P let it happen.

[open verge]

It’s bad please don’t pull the artistic intent bullshit

[frank raptor]

Also wasnt this is the only the only 24 man raid where we dont have any VA? No the robot and announcer sound doesnt count

[severe brook]

i tend to be the absurd artsy-fartsy one and i hate intentionally bad unless it's done really well

[maiden lodge]

No, RtI is the only 24 man where we DO get VA.

[vital topaz]

But seriously, this track feels like Soken walked into Atlus' development offices and made off with the SMTV Soundtrack before its released. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKswcDG9cA4

[open verge]

Why the fuck would 2b be sad about leaving our world when she stayed in a cave removed from the world the entire time!!!

[frank raptor]

Hmm interesting. I should check crystak towe and mhach again

[severe brook]

yeah Black Wolf Stalks Again is fantastic

[carmine basin]

The real story was the dwarves all along, nier was just the set dressing

[severe brook]

i hate how 2P, 2B, and 9S just sleep in between raids

[carmine basin]

Like I feel the dwarves story was more well told than whatever was going on with the machines

[vital topaz]

So boys, how do I get myself a suit of Judge Magister armor?

[severe brook]

like just have them going around norvrandt in between or something

[open verge]

The dwarves were so much better and if the raid was focused on them becoming creepily bloodthirsty it would have been so much better

[potent isle]

whats the weekly dwarf thing for

[maiden lodge]

Do Bozja up to Delubrum Reginae, then do weeklies.

[potent isle]

i just got 310 gil out of it, iwonder if im missing something

[carmine basin]

Komra Restoration

[vital topaz]

Oh ok, do you think its worth the wait with weeklies?

[potent isle]

oh ok thanks

[severe brook]

it'll let us fight Grun in three months

[open verge]

Nier raid sucks so much man

[maiden lodge]

shrugs DR is fun.

[severe brook]

secret ending of Dark Apocalypse
https://tenor.com/view/2b-nier-automata-nier-yoko-taro-video-games-gif-16557609

[somber storm]

get the tomes

[hollow berry]

does anyone know the name of the music that plays during the red girl boss in the nier raid?

[vital topaz]

Dayum these look fuckin sick

[severe brook]

i want to say it's Alien Manifestation but i will check again

[carmine basin]

Maybe it's Yoko Taro's way of advertising Automata, play the actual game if you want Automata story /s

[severe brook]

Automata doesn't really need extra advertising though

[carmine basin]

Isn't it Kaine theme remix with FF

[late aurora]

Don’t forget to watch the play

[severe brook]

...Replicant will though

[somber storm]

This is all a elaborate plot for people to play Nier

[vital topaz]

HOLY SHIT THEY ACTUALLY PUT CAPES ON SOMETHING!?!

[maiden lodge]

Then Yoshi-P deserves criticism for greenlighting it

[severe brook]

that's the Inflorescence theme, they're asking about the Red Girl fight beforehand

[pearl pond]

they had capes on shit in stormblood

[maiden lodge]

I mean, it's a bad story, and doesn't fit the world. Buck stops at Yoshi P

Maybe with a stop off at Banri Oda

[vital topaz]

How does the MH World Collab fit the world?

[hollow berry]

yeah I don't think it's Alien Manifestation

[carmine basin]

Oh I was too busy dodging stuff for that boss

[maiden lodge]

World has dragons. Rathelos is a dragon.

[severe brook]

they use Alien Manifestation at some point. i think it's during the False Idol fight

[carmine basin]

Let me rehear

[somber storm]

Rathalos is a wyvern

[severe brook]

MH Rise collab when

[pearl pond]

Nier fits fine its in another dimension so we can just forget about it like we are all of the first moving forward

[torpid yoke]

isnt it explained the restraints plus her sheer will power kept the tempering minimum?

[somber storm]

Wyverns be a different classification to dragons

[maiden lodge]

Also, i've pointed it out before--the bar set for crossover 24 man raids is set at Crystal Tower.

[pearl pond]

not in eorzea no problem

[severe brook]

it's Sound of the End

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKzZqchM_uI

[maiden lodge]

I like how people assume the First is done, when it's not done.

[late aurora]

Is CT even really a crossover

[open verge]

I think the first is gonna have one of the side stories next expansion

[maiden lodge]

YES

[hollow berry]

yeah that's the one @severe brook

thanks a lot!

[maiden lodge]

It's literally FF3's end dungeon wherein everything in it is a boss from FF3.

[pearl pond]

its pretty much done I know theres lingering threads but its gonna be left and ignored like azyz llya till its needed for a plot ass pull

[maiden lodge]

However, the story was made to fit FF14.

[open verge]

Is nier replicant good lol

[vital topaz]

I hope we get a Dragon Quest Trial with a mount one of these days.

[torpid yoke]

waaaaa naahhhhh. Not like it left plot threads open especially a big one when it comes to the void. NAHHHHHH

[maiden lodge]

Not like it has the only repository on information on the final days naaaaaaaa

[viscid monolith]

Honestly ya fuck anyone that says Ivalice is worse than this

[torpid yoke]

NAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[severe brook]

i mean azys lla wasn't a plot ass pull. we all knew Tiamat would be breaking out at some point as soon as we met her

[pearl pond]

Unakalhai sat there for fucking 5 years so we could shove him off to another reality

[viscid monolith]

Now I'm mad.

[vital topaz]

If we do get a Dragon Quest Trial, what game could they pull from?

[late aurora]

11

[severe brook]

9

[torpid yoke]

Idk games not out yet no way to say

[maiden lodge]

Fuck Ivalice as built from the ground up based on FF14 lore.

[severe brook]

have it turn out Corvus was fueling the Garleans all along

[late aurora]

Wait no 8, that’s the real popular DQ

[carmine basin]

Dang blitz u found it faster than me, I was listening to each battle OST in automata

[maiden lodge]

'Oh but Auracite' They established that auracite can make people into wierd monsters way fucking back in HW, that shit was established in advance.

[somber storm]

8 was the first voiced DQ that got properly localised

[vital topaz]

Doesnt Nier Automata have a weird mobile game too?

[pearl pond]

I find the first so much more interesting but like were not gonna see much more of it

[severe brook]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-sure-john-cena-ru-sure-about-dat-gif-14258954

we're likely going to take a break from it for a time but we take a break from every expansion setting for a time

[torpid yoke]

if you're refering to reincarnation no thats not just automata. Its it own story

[maiden lodge]

IF you've played this game longer than one expansion you know they never leave their expansion areas hanging.

[pearl pond]

dude ive been playing since ARR most of the HW zones havent been updated in forever

[severe brook]

that is in fact how expansions work. you kind of do need to move to a new place about every two years

[maiden lodge]

You literally can't say they'll abandon the First in the same fucking patch where we go back to both Ala Mihgo AND Ishgard.

[pearl pond]

I can say that

[carmine basin]

Did you forget the towers they placed around for 5.4

[maiden lodge]

Yeah, and you'll look like someone who doesn't play this game or doesn't pay attention

[viscid monolith]

2B and 9S do nothing. If anything, 9S just fucks everything up because he's just the worst.

[maiden lodge]

Because we literally... this patch... spent it going back to previous areas.

[carmine basin]

Also Ishgard Restoration

Speaking of which let me do the custom delivery

[pearl pond]

dude like were not gotta get any more major developments with the first for a long ass time its gonna sit there with nothing new or driving to explore

its gonna sit there and rot

[torpid yoke]

thats kinda 9s's thing. Albeit unintentionally

[pearl pond]

they are going to prioritize things on the source and just do a side quest in the first once and a while

[torpid yoke]

idk the void quests seem pretty compelling for the first

[open verge]

^ that could turn to something big

[severe brook]

granted, here it feels a lot less like 9S' usual stubbornness and more like the writers barely knew what to do with him

[pearl pond]

it might yes but probablyt not for a few years

[maiden lodge]

Right, again, you're saying this the same patch we literally go back to previous expansions areas and advance the story through them.

But fuck, you know you're right, they didn't advance the story of South Thanalan did they...

...oh fuck they did

[torpid yoke]

dw he was knocked out the whole raid series

[severe brook]

also, Eden's success means that it'll result in the Empty becoming rejuvenated
which is a pretty damn big deal that could lead to a lot

[maiden lodge]

Buddy. You're talking out of your ass. You know the game doesn't work that way.

[carmine basin]

Also, Yoko Taro said that he'll change the outcome of the story depending on which twin was chosen most by the player. I wonder if that's why Anogg died?

[vital topaz]

I dont see them ever making you level 4 different jobs into something required for MSQ progression, though.

[pearl pond]

was this about thanalan? no I was talking about the first specifically

[viscid monolith]

Sorrow of Werlyt has been a thing on the source for every patch. Your fear is unfounded and you're annoying.

[torpid yoke]

i will say one complaint i kinda have about tower is uh. feel like jack didnt need to be here

[open verge]

Bozja and werlyt are all on source lol

[torpid yoke]

like i guess i can understand that the machine network is still trying to get souls and what not but ya know

[severe brook]

forget Restoration, the First will likely have Exploration & Settlement in the future because of Eden.

[maiden lodge]

No you're missing the point.

They've ALWAYS gone back into old areas for new story.

[viscid monolith]

Bozja too, also every (?) patch

[severe brook]

there is going to be an entire planet to rebuild

[torpid yoke]

jack just seemed unnecessary

[maiden lodge]

The First isn't a magic exception to this just because---whatever reasons you made up in your brain

[pearl pond]

im not missing the point I know they do side quests in old zones

[viscid monolith]

Who the hell is Jack

[maiden lodge]

Then why are you insisting the First is different?

[viscid monolith]

Did I miss something while in the raid?

[open verge]

Please play 5 different games to understand the reference

[severe brook]

Jack and H&G are there because the Tower contained the records of humanity from the Moon. so the recreated Tower had those files as well.

[viscid monolith]

The raid I just finished

[vital topaz]

Kicks up a chair as Dis and Gabriel casually tear Seigfried a new one with facts and logic 🍿 🍿 🍿

[maiden lodge]

literally the patch after they dropped plot seeds unique to the First

'The first is irrelevant now'

[severe brook]

Jack (of Hearts) is the Knave of Hearts. the big tentacley giant

[open verge]

WHY ISNT THIS EXPLAINED IN GAME

[pearl pond]

because its completely a seperate reality and no longer a major story focus and wont a for a while

[open verge]

What seed you referring too?

[severe brook]

because lore weak and reliant on me apparently

[severe brook]

Eden. Void Restoration. People rebuilding.

[open verge]

I have learned more about the nier questline from you then I have from yoko

[maiden lodge]

Those are reasons you made up in your head that sound legitimate but don't match the facts we have before us. They planted plot seeds, and the First is literally the only place in the multiverse that we can go to that has information on the Final Days.

[open verge]

Void restoration I want so much 🤤

[viscid monolith]

I'm going to bed. I'm going to to sleep and do the MSQ tomorrow since that is worth doing.

[pearl pond]

its will take a long ass time for the first to do any recovery to get anything relevant for it

[torpid yoke]

plus it adds to the machine network still trying to do the soul get thing since those are the equivalents of souls

[pearl pond]

but please keep riding my dick

[viscid monolith]

And because I know all of the story is in the damn game that I'm paying for.

[torpid yoke]

I like how they used the two missing machines though

[severe brook]

the boss is called Jack of Hearts in Nier and Knave of Hearts in Dark Apocalypse. Both are alternate names for the same character from Alice in Wonderland. notably the first instance of Dark Colossus was his boss theme.

[torpid yoke]

its literally just one

[severe brook]

two games, really.

[vale tapir]

I just want mah Drakengard remakes.

[torpid yoke]

ehhh