retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[torpid yoke]

What?

[cinder spindle]

I like teasing alisaie

[dull atlas]

The only threatening moment was double meteor

[soft gyro]

you mean you used 2 in one run for your party?

[gaunt star]

i had a full alliance wipe on that

[dull atlas]

And that's because praid have fucking tunnel vision

[cinder spindle]

Also the final bosses rhythm mechanics is so fucking good

[dull atlas]

And never check their backs

[faint dagger]

someone called Fordola the ultimate tsundere today and i wish they hadn’t

[torpid yoke]

I thought that meant the life stream personally

[stiff charm]

i love how the rings were integrated

[red talon]

Man, Zenos sure has a big collection of weapon glams, doesn't he?

[torpid yoke]

Or zodiark

[cinder spindle]

yeah he do. He did that so he can tell you that he's been glam hunting

[gaunt star]

orbonne had to be given echo.same will happen with the last nier raid.you have no idea how low the dps gets that fight

[kind lark]

why is so many of them warrior weapons?

[stiff charm]

what if reaper job uses dead peoples souls from the lifestream so its not technically necromancy

[dull atlas]

Sephirot axe for example

[dim sigil]

He's bored and wants a new job

[severe brook]

could very well also be the case, but personally i'm guessing he'll reveal he's learned to use his Resonance to consume the souls of those he's slain, like how Thordan killed Lahabrea.

[kind lark]

zenos warrior confirmed

[maiden lodge]

Diamond Weapon normal wasn't that bad

[dull atlas]

And Drg cryptlurker lance

[viscid monolith]

He used a light weight katana for a while. Now he wants a heavy weapon.

[maiden lodge]

Though, I had to verraise the team through it on fumes

[stuck yarrow]

you'd think qs on the first day would be more reasonable

[viscid monolith]

The Ifrit part was a wast of time

[maiden lodge]

Meh.

There were some interesting parts throughout

[gaunt star]

he could be trying to beat wol's primal weapon collection.might give him a justifable reason to kil zodiark before we get to fight him

[stuck yarrow]

i just want 2b hair

[cinder spindle]

japanese voice on alisaie on the pissing her moment is so damn good

[torpid yoke]

To be fair that seemed more the dragon eye

[maiden lodge]

Seriously melee should be stroking themselves over this fight

[forest magnet]

I actually think the "Hey Hydaelyn hasn't spoken to you in a while" basically soft confirms Venat appearing in 5.55.

[vital topaz]

TBF, IF Zenos wanted to, he has plenty of time to level to 80 on a new job, end of may isnt for 50+ days

[viscid monolith]

If there is one thing this late in the game's life that I will tolerate it is bosses going invulnerable for stupid shit repeatedly

[stiff charm]

zenos found leveling in qitana ravel!!1!11!1

[stuck yarrow]

the what

[torpid yoke]

So like hades?

[severe brook]

that's how Thordan did it, but Leviathan was also able to do something similar without Nidhogg's Eye, so it may just be more about having a sufficient mass of aether

[cinder spindle]

pissing her off moment*

[maiden lodge]

Meh, it's a short interlude, it's not that bad.

[dull atlas]

Plot twist, shoebill is Hydalein.

[cinder spindle]

that estinien pat though was pretty cute

[torpid yoke]

Same

[cinder spindle]

wish i can pat alisaie 😦

[maiden lodge]

It's nowhere NEAR Ravana levels bad

[viscid monolith]

It jumped for a quick divebomb.

[vital topaz]

This was what Lunar Ifrit looked like in FF4

[maiden lodge]

I'm aware.

[gusty quest]

We know

[viscid monolith]

His socks game on point though. I had no idea green and red went together so well.

[torpid yoke]

True. Plus technically hades seemed to do a similar thing only he didn't use living souls

[strange wing]

Huh. Kinda feel bad for Gauis now.

[gaunt star]

one thing i notice.yes i use english dubs.i got used to the voices so never changed.but in these cutscenes i noticed the voice animations are completly out of sync.they werent in previous.also when it cuts to alphinaud dialogue when he talks its way more upscaled his animations comared to everyone else

[vital topaz]

Would it hurt if I just went ahead and watched the 5.5 trailer now?

[cinder spindle]

I wonder, Would we get the dalamund sized lunar bahamut?

[gusty quest]

Go for it

[stiff charm]

there isnt really anything spoilery for 5.4 i think so i guess you could?

[maiden lodge]

Not with Tiamat on the case.

[drowsy belfry]

I can't believe Shadowbringers had us re-fight Ifrit 3 times

[gusty quest]

I wonder if we'll see her interact with Hraesvelgr at some point

[stuck yarrow]

ugh why is my internet picking today to crap out on me

[gaunt star]

i guess you never did relic weapon quests then

[cinder spindle]

Isn't it twice only? 1st one being Eden's verse then this dungeon

[drowsy belfry]

Diamond has an Ifrit mode

[gaunt star]

why????????????

[gusty quest]

I personally wouldn't count that

[cinder spindle]

yeah it doesn't count

[severe brook]

only if we had a Lunar Dalamud to charge him up with

[drowsy belfry]

And sure let's go with that

[gusty quest]

And we'll use a lunar Nael to bring it down

[kind lark]

Diamond turns into spiderman

[cinder spindle]

wait so, Bahamut is not moon sized big before right?

[torpid yoke]

All of which were a primal or have the echo

[gusty quest]

The OG bahamut wasn't.

[maiden lodge]

gaius drawing Heirsbane giving me chills ngl

[gusty quest]

Valens never stood a chance

[gaunt star]

i dont care about your collection just pointing out how the relic quests force you to go back and fight him.especially depending on light bonus you could be fighting ifrit 100 times

[oak pike]

Bro when gaius loaded that high caliber round into his blade

[cinder spindle]

I see so the bahamut was only fed alot of aether so he grew up to that size?

[severe brook]

the Primal Bahamut only got that big from thousands of years of absorbing solar aether

[gusty quest]

Valens: "It was at this moment he knew, he fucked up."

[viscid monolith]

Seriously?

[cinder spindle]

OH I SEE that makes alot of sense now

so bahamut's original size would be the same as nidhogg and others right?

[gusty quest]

Don't forget all the prayer

[maiden lodge]

TERMINUS EST CROCEA MORS

[viscid monolith]

So the Allagans just happened to make Dalamud large enough to accommodate Bahamut growing that large

[slate badger]

i'd thought for a second gaius just loaded a Real Bullet into his gun

[dim sigil]

The whole what that's not on my data!!??!? Part was kinda dumb

[torpid yoke]

All his bullets are real

[slate badger]

it's campy

[viscid monolith]

Ya I thought Gaius was just gonna shoot him in the arm or something with a real bullet.

[maiden lodge]

Gaius just used a move named after Julius Gaius Caesar's sword

[torpid yoke]

None of them are meta physical

[kind lark]

does that mean julius ceasar is in ffxiv?

[gusty quest]

Julius "I am god" Caesar

[viscid monolith]

All he did was add 2 more slashes || ya I know he used a special round for it ||

[maiden lodge]

Nice evangelion reference

[slate badger]

i assumed the others were just aether charges or whatnot considering the cross slashes he was making

[viscid monolith]

Which part was an Eva reference

[gusty quest]

Sorrows was just one big Gundam reference. And I loved every moment

[gaunt star]

"I can't believe Shadowbringers made us do this thing"
"Yeah ARR made you do it too"

[maiden lodge]

Gaius has always been a reference to Julius Caesar.

[viscid monolith]

I ain't see no "Congratulations"

[severe brook]

Gaius kind of has always been a Julius Caesar analogue, but he's a subordinate within the empire instead of the one who began to make the republic into an empire

[maiden lodge]

YES

THEY DID AN EVANGELION REFERENCE

[gusty quest]

They did indeed

[viscid monolith]

What was it

[severe brook]

Godzilla vs Kong has an EVA reference in it lmao

[maiden lodge]

pop

[gusty quest]

Pop

[viscid monolith]

Ooooooh

[severe brook]

at least ||it was much more deserved this time||

[gusty quest]

Aye aye

[viscid monolith]

Kawari

[slate badger]

cant believe the third impact happens in godzilla vs kong

[severe brook]

for those curious, the ref is ||"Get in the goddamn chair."||
which is more a meme reference instead of a direct reference, but still

[slate badger]

lmao really

[dim sigil]

What was even the point of the g savior

[gaunt star]

Playing 5.5 MSQ and Nanamo mentions the Syndicate, who are those again?

[viscid monolith]

@maiden lodge Did you notice how even as Gaius chastises Strong van Strong you can tell his Imperial indoctrination is still there by how he words his statements

[coarse meadow]

whats the point for all that grinds is not gloom? story or is there a reward for doing it?

[stiff charm]

ruling class of ul'dah, includes her raubahn and monetarists (and some others? been ages since arr cant remember)

[gusty quest]

To try and contain Diamond instead of destroying it

[maiden lodge]

Also Lolorito, Godbert, Dewala

Them being unianimous in support is progress.

[gaunt star]

Well are they that important of people? Because Nanamo had to ask them if they wanted to intervene in Paglathan instead of just marching there

[maiden lodge]

Yes. Because they are the government.

[kind lark]

yeah the title of the japanese fight is rescue instead of destroy for diamond

[echo thicket]

am kinda sad we dont get pod mounts or something ;w; unless SE decides to sneak one in after restoring the village I know 2b or 9s pod dissapers after tower ends, but there are a lot lying around in factory 😂

[slate badger]

pod mounts? flight unit mount would be where it's at, although we did get cruise chaser, somewhere

[viscid monolith]

@maiden lodge Gaius still talks about "What the Empire use to stand for" as if he still hasn't figured out the Empire has always been a force for suffering.

[maiden lodge]

Not really.

He says what he used to stand for. He doesn't say 'the empire.' His scenes actually criticize it, and what it's become.

[stiff charm]

if she hadnt asked them they could easily pull some political stunt and take over government by saying nanamo has betrayed the people by entering a war without asking

[echo thicket]

well id guess flight mounts is possible since we have the skeleton in game but , im not expecting much

[gusty quest]

Aye, he finally gets that the empire wasn't as righteous as he believed it to be

[stiff charm]

just give some pods to cid, he will duct tape them together into a disgusting pod amalgam mount

[maiden lodge]

'The rot at the center of the empire'

[viscid monolith]

The Empire was rotten in more than just center. It was every part of it.

[echo thicket]

im assuming we're fighting against all the lunar primals in the 2nd half through an instance

[maiden lodge]

I wouldn't be surprised if they stealth give us a second dungeon

[echo orbit]

be surprised

[oak pike]

man allie gonna need a shit ton of therapy after all of this

[gusty quest]

Definitely

[kind lark]

she's cool now, the magic robot thingy helped

[terse cargo]

@oak pike she recovers her sanity at the very final cutscene

[viscid monolith]

Idk dude "That such atrocities should continue unabated is proof of the rot that has spread throughout the Empire." feels like he's giving the Empire too much credit.

[terse cargo]

@maiden lodge doubt it,1 dungeon per patch,if anything part 2 will be a 2 questline finale with a solo duty as a climax,but whos the boss is the question,i had thought lunar bahamut,but thats no longer possible

[gusty quest]

Going back to terncliff after all is said and done. I found that final hide and seek kid. The circle is now complete

[maiden lodge]

I'll grab my reasoning for it in a second

[terse cargo]

@viscid monolith the empire is on its last legs anyhow,between zenos and fandaniel,and the civil war splitting the legions,garlemald probbly will no longer be an empire come end walker start since its more or less in shambles

[echo thicket]

would they? 4.5 didnt and only had a instance against zenos

though the new dungeion is quite big before you get to lunar bahamut

[solar kettle]

do we know where that Resshi Haori clothing is from?

[wind bough]

Man Lunar Bahamut was really baby huh 👀

[echo thicket]

think it was this years summer event

[viscid monolith]

Someone draw Linear Bahamut please

[gaunt star]

hmm new dungeon.should i said with trusts who guanteede to not aoe but do basic mechanics or go df and hope i get an aoe users who can do basic mecahnics?

[terse cargo]

@echo thicket i didnt feel like it was any bigger then most,though i will always feel cheated somewhat,we got lunar bahamut as a dungeon boss,was hoping for solo duty at best

[severe brook]

Bahamut but it's Vib-Ribbon

[echo thicket]

id assume these lunar primals can be remade or something, so who knows 🤷‍♂️ we'll fight it again

[severe brook]

i feel like LB showing up again would cheapen it

[maiden lodge]

Dungeon's not hard mate.

Also aoeing shit down is a JOY.

[gaunt star]

they'll call them solar next xd

[oak pike]

cant quad pull with trusts

[viscid monolith]

You can

[viscid monolith]

You just have to coerce them to pull more

[open verge]

Accurate

[oak pike]

i mean you can quyad pull with WAR but DRK probably not

[maiden lodge]

Fuck imagine WANTING to use trusts on that second boss

[gaunt star]

i dont trsut them after they ran away from me when i had a stack marker into an aoe....

[viscid monolith]

Of course you can with DRK you can do it with any tank

[terse cargo]

@echo thicket if u remember the cutscene with the summoning of lunar ifrit they can be,as long as they can force the prayer,u will see a constant stream of primals as long as the towers exist,i feel like part 2 will be exploring more of the towers and either manage to destroy them,or we see them all used at once for the lead into end walker

[oak pike]

yeah with actual people just trusts no

trusts takes a bit to kill things

[echo thicket]

yeah this patch made me consider that 6.0 is gonna be ff10 and 4 influenced

[viscid monolith]

Ya but they never run out of MP and they spam heal you

[echo thicket]

faiths and all that

[knotty mountain]

They removed the blitz ball from the Zenos scene with all the weapons

what a sham

[oak pike]

that was a meme lol

[terse cargo]

a trust can still die though,i've lost count how many times this expansion alphiaud or alisaie died,and the funny thing is if shes with u and both die your fucked,because alisaie cant revive whoever your healer is lol

[knotty mountain]

As in, a photoshop someone made, or it was in the trailer but was just the devs having a joke? Swear it was in the trailer

[open verge]

It was fake

[oak pike]

im pretty sure it was photoshop

[knotty mountain]

I must be trippin

[gusty quest]

0/10 game. No blitzball

[knotty mountain]

^

[severe brook]

it was hidden behind the pillar in the final cut, clearly. but it was very sharp, so that's why it sounded like a blade when he picked it up

[gusty quest]

But of course.

[pale shuttle]

waiit why is the channel nsfw •___•

[limpid cairn]

I thought the Cruise Chaser mount was announced? 0_0

or was that a jebait?

[vital topaz]

No, Blitzball died when Varis killed Titus, as he was the architect of the first Blitzball Arena, so the schematics have just sat there in the imperial palace ever since

[turbid aspen]

yoooooo when faith in her fury started playing in that tiamat vs bahamut cutscene

god i love the dragons

[pale shuttle]

ohh

[wind bough]

spoiler barrier.

[dim sigil]

I'm surprised Discord never added a official spoiler Channel tag

[wind bough]

As per Discord's official guidelines, though they still don't change the name from NSFW to spoiler

[dim sigil]

That neir raid was prettt nsfw tho 😳

[somber storm]

Welp, time to properly get myself into the Nier/Drakengard series

[dim sigil]

I bought automata and all of its DLCs for like twenty bucks on sale a long long time ago

Have yet to play it

[vital topaz]

Are the city states going to be packed for a few days like this?

[open verge]

This scene sucked

[dim sigil]

I have no idea what story they were trying to sell but the music and fights were amazing

[knotty mountain]

I mean, city states are generally packed regardless no? Limsa and Gridania at least

[dim sigil]

Whose red girl again?

[vital topaz]

The story that Yoko Taro is a crackhead

[open verge]

9s and 2b literally do nothing the entire raid series...

[forest magnet]

Yes

[dim sigil]

Like when I heard the main theme of Final Fantasy I was like oh God it's I love it

[gaunt star]

The Redgirl in Automata was the machine Ai gone completely crazy

[vital topaz]

The Nier Raid literally boils down to: "LOLOLOLOLOL YOKO TARO IS A FUCKING CRACKHEAD LUNATIC!" NIER IN FF14, ISNT THAT A CRAZY IDEA!? That is literally the entire marketing for the Nier Raid

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/FairSpanishAsiandamselfly-size_restricted.gif

[gaunt star]

i mean, the marketing was just: "NieR is in FF14"

[ruby hull]

ok so any doubts Zenos picked up a scythe?

[gaunt star]

maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan i know they wouldnt just show the weapon like that but what a tease

[open verge]

You could literally swap out 2b and 9s with sora and riku and the plot would have been better

[gaunt star]

there was some dumb interviews and fanfest stuff, but thats about it

they did that with return to ivalice as well though

[vital topaz]

I for one think Zenos picked up Lunar Zantetsuken and will succ aether out of people to transform into Lunar Odin for a bit as an appetizer fight

[gaunt star]

"Final Fantasy Tactics fix fic :)"

[open verge]

No ivalice fits the lore of ff14

[limpid cairn]

Did they say how to get the Cruise Chaser mount? Or is that a PVP nonsense only thing?

[gaunt star]

doesn't mean return to ivalice had a good story though

and ivalice fits the lore in the same way that megabloks fits lego

[open verge]

Oh yea I hated ivalice story

But it Atleast tried

[viscid monolith]

Ivalice had a good story that fits into XIV

[gaunt star]

sure it works but its obviously not from the same game, and its super obvious

[vital topaz]

Did RtI not get panned as hard as Nier because it was less of a shoehorn?

[opaque hemlock]

I'm excited for Endwalker's 24-man just for the fact it will not be a collab alone.

[wind bough]

Cruise Chaser doesn't seem to be obtainable ingame yet.

[open verge]

Rti also has bozja connect

[ruby hull]

the facts we have is that it is a single weapon and a long blade (slashing) at that, thus no more hammer theories

[viscid monolith]

RtI got panned because it has a ton of reading

[wind bough]

Ivalice story was a confusing mess.

[viscid monolith]

A lot of reading

[gaunt star]

because of a character from another game mainly

[open verge]

It’s hard to follow ivalice that’s why it’s sucked

[gaunt star]

a lot of not good reading

[topaz river]

I really didn't like the nier raids overall. It felt like it was made for people who already like nier and not ff14 in general. I didn't understand it at all

[viscid monolith]

What was so confusing about it

[wind bough]

Too many side characters and details, and yet crucial main story points get skimmed over in very little detail.

[gaunt star]

"Hey Matsuno-insert tell me about this boss"
"Literally recites the FF Wiki page for a character"

nice to know that sharlayans getting involved

[vital topaz]

Emerald and Diamond Weapon are both 8 man trials, right?

[gaunt star]

ye

Sorrow of Werlyt out here having a super fantastic storyline but a limp dick final trial, for the third time in a trial series ( the trial being not great part, the stories of Warring Triad and Four Lords were okay but not amazing)

[echo thicket]

If im not mistaken, red girls are basically the master minds behind automata. I think they were considered a part of the Watchers? In the end, they conflicted with each other and killed themselves

[vital topaz]

Is the EX Trial Limp Dick too?

[open verge]

No it’s fun

[gaunt star]

haven't done it yet

the cutscenes at the end of werlyt was pretty neat though. and the EX trial is really nice

[pulsar current]

wayyy better than EM EX

[gusty quest]

I thought Seiryu was great

[gaunt star]

ehhh

[open verge]

Seiryuu was a good fight trash story

[viscid monolith]

Seiryu was a great final trial. Baller music too

[gaunt star]

seiryu music >

[viscid monolith]

Oh and wow what's that? Seiryu's trial felt like an actual fight and not a fucking jigsaw puzzle

[gaunt star]

the trial series always go:

Really bombastic and cool start > Less bombastic but still visually and musically great > "We ran out of phase 2 budget"

[vital topaz]

I hope Gaius is gonna be a main character for EW

[gaunt star]

a.... are you implying diamond ex was a jigsaw puzzle?

[open verge]

He’s not

[ivory wolf]

Suzaku's music is my favorite out of the triad.

[gaunt star]

also gaius is gonna be in 6.0 but he's gonna back int he background/side character

[ivory wolf]

I'm happy with where Gaius is

[viscid monolith]

No I'm saying a lot of EX trials this expansion have have felt like puzzles and not fights.

[gaunt star]

・"I won't say Gaius won't have a role to play in the 6.0 main story, but I can't promise you he's going to have a main role."

[ivory wolf]

I am also equally if not more happy with where Valens is.

[gaunt star]

example? im curious

[ivory wolf]

Mans got his head popped off like a bad pimple lmao.

[vital topaz]

As much as I want it to happen, I dont think we'll be getting Terncliff housing...

[gusty quest]

A man can dream#

[viscid monolith]

Titania, Hades and Emerald all come to mind

[gaunt star]

i can understand hades

[open verge]

I thought they make gaius leader of Garlemald but him being apart of werlyt makes a lot more sense

[gaunt star]

not with zenos and fandanny doing what they do

[viscid monolith]

Any trial with a lot of "stand here at clock positions until this mechanic resolves" is not a good fight

[open verge]

I disagree

But to each their own

[maiden lodge]

You're a few years too late to complain about that.

[coarse meadow]

TEA would like a word :^)

[open verge]

Every trial in sb has that type of mechanic

[viscid monolith]

That hasn't been a constant the entire game

[maiden lodge]

hw

[wind bough]

That's pepsiman's first mechanic

[vital topaz]

Why does the whole weapon trial series give me strong Metal Gear Solid vibes?

[open verge]

I’m pretty sure every trial in sb literally has the clock meteor mechanic lol

[maiden lodge]

Similar theming.

[maiden lodge]

Even the ones that don't require doing the dance correctly.

[viscid monolith]

Off the top of my head Ravana, Bismarck, Sephirot, and Sophia don't have clock spots more than 1 one time

Thordaaaaan

[open verge]

Tsuky seiryu suzaku and byakko all have the clock mechanics 😂

[maiden lodge]

Imagine using fucking RAVANA to make a point against dance floors

[viscid monolith]

Also does not have clock spots

[open verge]

I think byakko I’m wrong on memories hazy

[gusty quest]

Ravana is my fav primal. I hope the lunar version is a good fight too

[gaunt star]

I found out that they made Drakengard 3's Rhythm Boss actually be in the Nier Alliance Raid, the heck.

[ivory wolf]

This did in fact happen

[viscid monolith]

After this cutscene I will go down the list of SHB and SB trials with clocks

[stiff charm]

closer to drakengard 1 but same thing lol

[ivory wolf]

It was awesome

[open verge]

I know for a fact that those 3 all have get into your clock and intercard for meteors

[maiden lodge]

'I hate bosses that have random moments of invulnerability'
'Ravana is the design I like'

[gaunt star]

Its slow but man, I wish they like
Made you have to do chains of 15 beats

[maiden lodge]

Byakko doesn't have you set down a clock, because it's 'tanks a healers b dps c'

[open verge]

Am I crazy does tsukyomi have meteors???

[maiden lodge]

Oh god yes.

[vital topaz]

Welp, here goes

[ivory wolf]

Good luck on emerald weapon, Knight

[open verge]

I know it has the white and black orb thing

[maiden lodge]

Tsuku has set the meteors at front, back, and sides, which also become safe puddles for a later mechanic (unless you screw up)

[vital topaz]

Forgot about having Pag still queued fuck

[gusty quest]

You fool

[gaunt star]

ravana jumping away constantly was the most frustrating thing in the world

[gusty quest]

You're gonna love Emerald. It's easily the best weapon fight

[gaunt star]

i remember having ravana down so much i could tell you what mechanic happened when based on the lyrics of the music

[vital topaz]

Is Pagith the last dungeon we get for ShB?

[ivory wolf]

Think so?

[maiden lodge]

Probably

[wind bough]

Yes, unless crazy surprise.

[gaunt star]

Paglth'an? More like The Ghimlyt Light

[vital topaz]

Seems like Lunar Odin, Ifrit and Ravana will be their own one of trials, or perhaps they may just save Lunar Ifrit for EW, who knows

[somber storm]

Last dungeon for SB was Ghymlit with HW one being Baelsar's Wall then we had cutscenes galore

[wind bough]

solo duties/RP duties.

[maiden lodge]

Well they aren't trials, cause, trials don't have trusts.

[gaunt star]

the lunar bois are most likely solo duties

[serene crest]

Ghimlight Light

[vital topaz]

Laaaaaaaaameeeeee

[somber storm]

So we are now entering cutscenes galore but now with solo duties just like SB

[gaunt star]

yeah definitely solo duty

[vital topaz]

That is so dissapointing

[bronze thistle]

Does anyone know the name of the new housing wall?

[gaunt star]

housewall

[severe brook]

Lunar Ifrit will become self-aware and turn into Maduin

[open verge]

I have no idea what to do now I’m done all the stories content drought 😔

[forest magnet]

idk how they did it
but Diamond Weapon fight is worse than Zurvan

[open verge]

Ex?

[gaunt star]

i wouldn't say its worse but its kinda boring

[pulsar heron]

play eureka

[torpid yoke]

If WoFF taught me anything that'd be Lunar titan Kappa

[open verge]

Diamond weapon theme is really boring

[forest magnet]

Soken phoned it in with that one

[torpid yoke]

I liked it

[autumn heron]

I thought it was pretty good

[torpid yoke]

Level trusts

[gusty quest]

Same. Emerald's theme is the best tho

[autumn heron]

and of all the trial storylines I thought the Werlyt storyline was the best one

[open verge]

Why the fuck would I level trust or do eureka I want to have my sanity

[severe brook]

i was really expecting Diamond's theme to just be Phase 1

[gusty quest]

Same

[viscid monolith]

Leveling trusts aren't that bad

[dim sigil]

Euerka is fun

[torpid yoke]

... then don't complain about not knowing what to do. Plus those aren't even that bad

[viscid monolith]

You have to do maybe 5 runs of each dungeon for each trust

[crystal arrow]

Just did the nier raid and that sure was... a thing, holy fuck

take back the shit I gave that raid series lol

[autumn heron]

Warring Triad was good
Four Lords was dull
Werlyt is pretty much the best one thus far

[open verge]

I’ll level paladin 🙊

[ivory wolf]

Werlyt is the only one that made me cry a little

[autumn heron]

yup

[wraith arrow]

So what does part 2 of this patch bring again

[gusty quest]

Four lords was the least best simply because I didn't get to kick Kohryu's ass

[toxic swift]

Can someone tell me what two stats the healer pants have from the new raid?

[crystal arrow]

relic stuff, more msq

[open verge]

MSq ishgard and Bozja is what’s left

[gusty quest]

The ending made me choke up

[wraith arrow]

No Bozja updates rn?

[pulsar heron]

Yeah I was disappointed we didn’t get to fight the big bad imprisoned beast

[autumn heron]

Bozja is next month

[wraith arrow]

Fuuuuuuuck

[gusty quest]

If they ever make a four lords ultimate Kohryu needs to be the final boss

[crystal arrow]

bozja got a riding map and a mechanic to give you a higher chance of getting in a duel - otherwise nothing new

[torpid yoke]

My guess is may 25th

[open verge]

You set up a zenos over soul and don’t deliver it was bound to be a disappointment

[autumn heron]

the grind shit is always added the month after the patch

No because part 2 of the MSQ is also coming out

[open verge]

Diamonds theme isn’t even bad I just wanted a more hardcore phase 2 theme

[autumn heron]

it has to come out BEFORE fanfest

[viscid monolith]

I give Werlyt's story a 4 and the instances 3.75 adding up to 7.75. Tripped at the finish a bit but everything leading up to that was solid.

[pulsar heron]

Unlikely, they’ve only done ultimates of raid series + ultima wep so far

[gusty quest]

I can dream gosh darnit

[pulsar heron]

Oh but we are getting dragonsong ultimate

[gusty quest]

I can dream

[viscid monolith]

Anything is on the table for Ultimates

[torpid yoke]

In the same part they say they need an obedient pet not a rabid animal. That's not their fault for you falling for the jebait

[pulsar current]

tbh four lords and weapons sound wayyy more intersting then msq ultimates

[open verge]

You are so lame you know that

[crystal arrow]

I feel like the four lords is just made to be an ultimate

[viscid monolith]

Yes but it also make for a disappointing fight

[ivory wolf]

"It's zenos again! Nerr!"

[open verge]

Exactly instead of a wild zenos we got a lame fucking ifrit

[torpid yoke]

In your own opinions

[gusty quest]

^^

[viscid monolith]

Sometimes you have to sacrifice writing for gameplay

[torpid yoke]

I liked the fight

[open verge]

What’s the problem with another zenos fight when we got another ifrit fight

[gusty quest]

I really enjoyed the Diamond fight. But hey, if you didn't that's fine

[open verge]

ifrits model showed up twice this patch get out of here!

[torpid yoke]

Twas barely an ifrit fight but ok

[pulsar current]

i mean to me, zenos is back. we dont need a new zenos fight, we still have the article

[ivory wolf]

the only thing "ifrit" about it was it's posture.

[viscid monolith]

Normal was pretty lame but the EX is nice at least

[open verge]

Ex is fun ye

[gaunt star]

the model was ifrit recoloured

[pulsar current]

Ex was good

[open verge]

It’s literally ifrit lol

[gaunt star]

but ex was still good regardless

[viscid monolith]

Why was it even Ifrit they couldn't have used Shinryu?

[open verge]

^

[viscid monolith]

You know, a dragon?

[pulsar heron]

The major side stories for this expansion were all pretty neat (eden, werlyt, bozja) apart from the alliance raids

[gaunt star]

true. mfers really went "codename zenos" then didnt put shinryu in it 💀

[open verge]

I agree

[severe brook]

because the Ifrit skeleton fit the idea they were going for, of it shedding its armor and becoming lizard-like

[torpid yoke]

They overwrote all of zenos data

[ivory wolf]

Nier stuff was a smidge contrived but I feel the content made up for it.

[severe brook]

they do seem to have stuck with some connection to Zenos and Shinryu, like how the start of the fight is a parallel to Omega vs. Shinryu

[open verge]

Lore should never come at the cost of gameplay stuff

[gusty quest]

They switched to Overmind

[gaunt star]

poor allie. im glad she snapped out of it but seeing her like that was painful

[autumn heron]

I was very surpised the final boss was of the 3rd Nier raid was ||the final boss of Drakengard 1 ending E||

[viscid monolith]

Puppet's Bunker is the only Alliance raid in this game's entire life since I started playing in 2.1 that I ran once and never again.

[severe brook]

and yeah, the bit with the Zenos Oversoul was showing us that Valens decided Oversoul was untenable in the long run

[gaunt star]

Compared to Ruby and Emerald, Diamond is kinda meh

[gusty quest]

Having had relatives in a similar state. That hurt to see.

[viscid monolith]

Diamond didn't even have the hype phase 1 music

[severe brook]

Diamond probably could've done with a second phase of some sort, though

[gaunt star]

The music isn't even that interesting, it's just another Ultima remix

[gaunt star]

yeah. i havent had any experiences with it but it still made me sad

[torpid yoke]

Someone said a bad word

[viscid monolith]

Diamond didn't even use Ultima like what the fuck

[gaunt star]

No beef stuffed tacos ;w;

[torpid yoke]

I saw it

[open verge]

Every trial had ultima theme but his entire them is just ultima lol

[gusty quest]

RIP big fat tacos

[severe brook]

i was going to say, what pinged me

[gusty quest]

You will be missed

[autumn heron]

It makes me hope Gaius plays a big role in EW, we already know Fordola does

[open verge]

Meanwhile emerald turns gold summons fucking gaius and has a kick ass theme

[severe brook]

Emerald best

[gusty quest]

His role isn't going to be that big

[viscid monolith]

They said all 3 of the previous weapons' data was fed i to Diamond but that doesn't show up in gameplay or even the cutscene.

Just overall Diamond is a letdown

[echo thicket]

normally I would have expected some form of transformation like in the other 2 but that comes at the cost of sacrificing the pilot so 🤷‍♂️

[torpid yoke]

It literally does though

[severe brook]

They do show up in gameplay though
It uses Ruby's Claws, Sapphire's Cannon, and Emerald's Lasers

[open verge]

It does the claw thing ruby does

[torpid yoke]

And emeralds hands

[subtle pasture]

Emerald's grabbers, Sapphire's... um... something

[maiden lodge]

Did you miss the Ravensclaw, the Saphire beam, and the Primus Terminus Est?

[severe brook]

The hands are shooting the lasers

[severe brook]

had the big laser cannon from Sapphire

[viscid monolith]

I did actually my mind kinda glazed over after the first wipe

[vital topaz]

GG

[open verge]

Thinking about emerald it’s so cool how it starts in castrum then the platform rises and breaks then ends in werlyt

[gusty quest]

What did you think?

[maiden lodge]

You wiped to it?!

[open verge]

Diamond weapon starts in the sky and just kinda stays there lol

[autumn heron]

but yea gameplay wise Emerald is the best one

[vital topaz]

Phase 2 remix was nice!

[tough fern]

Plants death flag squarely on Arenvald

Will see if i'm right about this later-

[severe brook]

yeah Diamond would be cool if it had a Phase 2 on the ground but narratively, i do like the actual pacing overall

[open verge]

I have listened to emerald theme so much it’s so good

[gaunt star]

Diamond weapon confused TF out of me cuz i was expecting phase 2 the entire time, but EX was good and getting 2 totems will make farming it bearable (looks nervously at PF). MSQ and Werlyt conclusions were good and I enjoyed the cutscenes. Nier... 🤷

the mechanics in raid was cool but story was eh. Dwarves carried
also red girl should've been final boss

[viscid monolith]

The 2nd claw killed like 5 people including both healers and Red Mage

Not me though cause I'm built different

[autumn heron]

I wiped to Diamond too

[torpid yoke]

HOW?

[autumn heron]

had 2 tanks that didnt want to tank

[viscid monolith]

They were not paying attention

[open verge]

I agree 💯 on your takes nier wasn’t even interesting the dwarves hard carried

[gusty quest]

Was everyone having a stroke?

[maiden lodge]

So you saw the ruby claw to know to dodge it but didn't see it enough to notice that there's a ruby claw.

[torpid yoke]

He literally counts so damn slow

[severe brook]

red girl was technically final boss

[viscid monolith]

No that did not register

[gaunt star]

TRUEEEEE dwarves HARD carried dude i fucking love them

[maiden lodge]

Also, it had a shinryu reference in the fight as well

[gusty quest]

I hope Konogg can find some measure of peace

[maiden lodge]

Shinryu ex, specifically

[gaunt star]

well yeah but i was sitting there like "wow wow wow this is really cool" and then the thought of "wait.... this is only 3/6" just kinda stumped me

[viscid monolith]

I saw the claws and hands and none of it registered as coming from the previous weapons. Maybe it was I having the stroke the entire time. Maybe if the music was more hype I would have paid attention.

[torpid yoke]

Jokes on yall next 8 man or whatever is gonna be nier again

[pulsar heron]

I’m amused that they killed all the speculation for alternate endings with the weekly quest

[open verge]

Yea it had shinryu with the knock backs and for the tether mechanic which is why I wanted them to use that model

[autumn heron]

I disagree with the final boss thing for Nier. Having the final boss be the Drakengard 1 Ending E final boss (the one that directly leads to the Nier universe) was a real nice treat

[gaunt star]

all of the bosses had really interesting mechanics. and everytime i went "damn... this kinda repetitive" i got my ass kicked by it cuz it changed

[viscid monolith]

Knock backs? Tether?

[open verge]

Yes ex

[stuck yarrow]

why couldn't the 2b hair be a mgp purchase like the ivalice ones 😔

[viscid monolith]

How have I done this fight but I don't remember any of this

[torpid yoke]

Make people suffer

[open verge]

Knockback is literally just the shinryu phase transition

[viscid monolith]

Is this the power of Autonomous Ultra Instinct

[pulsar heron]

The hairstyles are pretty clean sells on the MB right now

[torpid yoke]

Maybe you're just daft

[ivory wolf]

rolled a 94 and still didn't get a hairstyle :c

[viscid monolith]

Ya probably

[gaunt star]

that's fair. i didnt delve into drakengard too much other than the bare bones so i was a bit confused. the final boss had really cool mechanics though. the fucking building ANNIHILATED us but it was dope

music was also 👌

[tacit basin]

Rolled a goddamn 97 and I didn't get the minion

[stuck yarrow]

this thing takes forever and my wifi's being shit rn and i got nothing rip

[open verge]

I rolled a 99 but didn’t take it because I played viera only to find out it was sellable

[maiden lodge]

Yeah, just before add phase in EX, he drops you off on one platform, and lands on it, and that knocks you up and over to the second platform where the adds are, before he slaps the tail down and you have to ride the back.

[open verge]

So I win in suffering losers

[gaunt star]

also what the hell is the rare tower drop? tall stubby?

[severe brook]

he does name drop each weapon's pilot when using their ability

[torpid yoke]

Nah rothgar would win

[maiden lodge]

Complete with a countdown

[severe brook]

the countdown could theoretically be applied to any ability. the name drops are more specific

also i like how ShB has made "Memory" the key theme for like every storyline

[maiden lodge]

Yeah, just more... they're hard to miss is what I mean

[open verge]

Memorybringers am I right

[severe brook]

Memory is core to MSQ, and to Eden, and to Weapons, and to Bozja, and to Nier

[maiden lodge]

Also mourning and accepting the death of others.

[severe brook]

though the Memory connection with Nier came in rather late comparatively

[viscid monolith]

Apparently Nier is getting more story next week and the week after

Though I doubt it will save the story in the eyes of many

[open verge]

The nier story just ends and it makes me upset because the short nier quest between this patch had me really interested

[viscid monolith]

Not over yet

[open verge]

How much do you think is gonna happen really

[subtle pasture]

What's the issue with the story, it wrapped up about as well as it could've

[maiden lodge]

I do like the boot Diamond gives during the opening cutscene

[subtle pasture]

was certainly a NieR story,

[open verge]

Wasn’t satisfying I guess

[severe brook]

a part of me almost hopes the Dwarves accidentally build Simone

[open verge]

Didn’t even understand the buildup for any of the bosses they all were just random to me

[severe brook]

because it'll shock me if A Beautiful Song ends up unused

[viscid monolith]

The problem is me. The entire story has failed to engage me because the actual Nier part is kinda boring. I haven't played Nier so nothing is familiar.

[open verge]

^

[torpid yoke]

I thought of a way they could of had Simone

[open verge]

The dwarves are way more interesting then any of the automaton shit

[viscid monolith]

The Dwarfs are the most interesting part of the story which is a bad sign

[severe brook]

have her as Data in the Tower?

[gaunt star]

Oi

[viscid monolith]

A good portion of the story is in the data logs I guess?

[torpid yoke]

Have final boss start as red girls. Build into Simone

[open verge]

9s and 2b do literally nothing the entire story and when they leave it’s just???

[viscid monolith]

I still have no idea what the Machine Lifeforms are trying to accomplish.

[torpid yoke]

Then final phase

[gaunt star]

Anyway yea u could replace the nier stuff with any other villain and the dwarves would still be able to have their story be told

[open verge]

^

[gaunt star]

Therefore: dwarves carried

[viscid monolith]

Apparently they want to have a baby, but nothing in the cutscenes or dialogue even hints to that.

[torpid yoke]

Or just replace jack

[severe brook]

from the sound of it, these iterations of the Machine Lifeforms are manifestations from the Seed of Destruction. so they're serving the role of the Watchers in Drakengard 1/WCS in Nier 1

[open verge]

The fact that the story doesn’t explain itself in a self contained way is why it sucks

[viscid monolith]

This could have been a Dwarf excursion into some Ronkan ruins and it would have been more interesting. I get the Dwarf humor and also learn something about Norvrandt. With the Nier raid I learn nothing of Norvrandt because the story has nothing to do with Norvrandt history

[gaunt star]

I havent finished the weekly quests yet but the whole thing were we went around and made the dwarves see reason to stop them being trapped in a cycle of hate and blame was touching

[torpid yoke]

Welcome to yoko taro style of writing

[viscid monolith]

Also how the fuck did the bunker get under the mountains

[severe brook]

it grew from the Seed.

[crystal arrow]

if it explained too much people would complain about that too lol

[torpid yoke]

Magic

[gaunt star]

Something something seed is a portal

[viscid monolith]

Where is the factory? Behind the mountains? Why didn't anyone see this before?

[severe brook]

also grew from the Seed.

[crystal arrow]

m a g i c

[torpid yoke]

In the mountain

[viscid monolith]

I hate Yoko Taro

[open verge]

Having people tell me to go watch a YouTube video on the story of a completely different game to find out what the super scary white ball I’m supposed to stop immediately means the actual story is dumb lol

[viscid monolith]

Yoko Taro has screwed us again

[severe brook]

the Seed was manifesting constructs from its accrued memories in order to try to consume the First. This did not begin until very recently. That's why no one ever saw the Factory or the Bunker before.

[open verge]

I like the mystery of how the fuck the nier stuff got there but I hate how the why is never answered

[crystal arrow]

I had to do this with the sb raid because I couldn't understand it

[viscid monolith]

And to all the Nier players, this FFXIV crossover will be definitely be canon to the next Nier game. Because fuck you Yoko Taro is wacky and quirky.

[severe brook]

They answered it though. As it was manifest from the Seed.

[echo thicket]

somehow the interior of a mountain grew an environemnt for the factory? lol

[open verge]

I’m not defending ivalices story I hate it

[torpid yoke]

Well if you want to understand do it if you hate it don't do it. Simple as that

[crystal arrow]

losing my mind at the queen beast x zero x red girl... thing that was the final boss

[open verge]

WHAT THE FUCK IS SEED I DONT KNOW WHAT THAT FUCKING ISSSSS

[severe brook]

the Seed, which was down there, reshaped matter into the form of the Bunker and Alien Ship.

[gaunt star]

I think that even though nier is known to have lore in other mediums. Having a crossover raid and not adhering to the structures of the game you're in is kinda...

[severe brook]

after being woken up by Anogg and Konogg approaching it

[open verge]

Why doesn’t the game explain what the fuck seed is LOL

[torpid yoke]

Imagine its a portal to another world in ff14

[iron scaffold]

you know this will end up having Yoko Taro directing FF17

[echo thicket]

ah I see

[severe brook]

Did anyone actually read the dialogue in Nier

[torpid yoke]

You mean the logs? Yea

[crystal arrow]

i didn't understand it and it sucked lol, that had required reading too

[gaunt star]

Also yeah here's a question: what the fuck was going on with anogg in that cutscene in 5.3

[echo thicket]

yeah the nier raid is only really er.. eye opening if you know the pretense of automata, nier and drakengard

[bronze dragon]

Where is the new mount from? (the cruise chaser)

[crystal arrow]

not in game yet

[bronze dragon]

oh

[echo thicket]

I brushed up on nier lore thanks to clemps 😄

[viscid monolith]

But people will still say Yoko is a good writer and it's just his style

[open verge]

You can’t fucking drop a shit ton of bosses from other nier games and then not explain to me what any of that shit means when I’ve never played the games before it

[viscid monolith]

And people wonder why I hate art

[gaunt star]

Wait so, what happened to that island that the students of Baledsion were on?

[vital topaz]

Thats a nice shot

[echo thicket]

the uh 2nd boss I think are bosses from nier (og)

[pulsar heron]

the isle of val disappeared suddenly

[crystal arrow]

It disappeared, became eureka, and then disappeared again

[viscid monolith]

People will still say the collab was worth it though because they saw 2B and clapped and also the collab polluted the game with Nier glamour that all looks the fucking same

[severe brook]

does a good job of conveying just how huge Sapphire is compared to the others

[torpid yoke]

Sometimes I wonder if lance has 2 accounts and rival wings main is his second

[open verge]

Nier glamour is good wtf

[gaunt star]

@crystal arrow Disappeared again without explaination?

Did anogg fall into the seed? Did anogg die and get replaced by that android? Is that just where anogg came in from the alternate universe? But if thats the case then what happened to the og anogg?

[crystal arrow]

Eureka story explains it... iirc it went back into the lifestream or something?

[maiden lodge]

pretty sure its still there.

[gaunt star]

[torpid yoke]

Bruh what if anogg is accord

[severe brook]

Anogg died. The Seed used her body as reference to create a duplicate, just as it later created the Machines and Androids using the Ark's data as a reference.

[echo thicket]

glams for certain classes across the nier raid varied. Personally did not like the melee set from factory and its gonna take me awhile to like the melee set from tower

[open verge]

The game never explains anything you guys are saying about seed so I’m just gonna guess it’s all bullshit head canon your making up

[gaunt star]

But why did the replacement anogg talk about seeing other worlds as an android? I think?

[vital topaz]

Question; How old is Allie? Cause Valens is probably a child abuser.

[gaunt star]

Its a referencr from drakengard. Someone posted the wiki link above

[viscid monolith]

And to (possibly) end this rant, the 2B legs and boots are awful. The worst piece of glamour to curse this game. You see so many people wearing it with other pieces that absolutely do not match because it gives you a bigger ass. To all of those people: you look like a clown put some pants on that match your top.

[severe brook]

Everything I said gets outright stated or implied in dialogue.

[iron scaffold]

30's

[mystic heath]

My FC after clearing the Nier raid, while dressed in Nier gear.

[vital topaz]

Wow really?

[viscid monolith]

Allie is in her 20s

[mystic heath]

I cosplayed as A2

[severe brook]

Allie's in her 20s, Auri women are just small

[gaunt star]

If the seed created everything where did it come from and how did it get there

Also isnt allie 16?

[open verge]

Maybe that’s why I disliked it
The story just provides a bunch of questions and never answers any of it

[somber storm]

Allied is minimum height au ra

[open verge]

Maybe that’s the appeal of his writing but I hated it in the context of being an ff14 raid

[echo thicket]

brief background on the seed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-7MVq08Ogg

[crystal arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-anyway-gif-19022587

[maiden lodge]

'Probably?' 👏 Burn 👏 Out 👏 The 👏 Bad 👏

[torpid yoke]

I.e it doesn't state it outright so you don't like it. That's a fine opinion

[severe brook]

the story in XIV has it that the Seed is the means by which Watchers invade and consume other worlds. it's implied to be the one from ...i want to say Drakengard 3, where they shunt one away into another universe to get rid of it.

[gaunt star]

I can see where you're coming from, yea

[viscid monolith]

I can only assume that last message applies to you because you're the only one to respond

[gaunt star]

In a raid context its a bit 🥴

[severe brook]

so the Seed emerges deep underground in the First and lays dormant until Anogg and Konogg awaken it. and then it first makes a fake Anogg, before then producing fakes of the Machines and Androids to act as its agents

[gaunt star]

Right... Fair enough

Poor anogg and konogg though.

Neither deserved their fate

[teal geyser]

Yeah I'm pretty sure she is 16, she was the youngest and Mili was 20, Rex was 18...

[severe brook]

that's why all the stuff looks like it's been there for much longer than it actually has; it's a movie set. it's like...

...you know...

...Amaurot.

[open verge]

Is anogg dead what does going to other side even mean

[somber storm]

Komra dwarves

[obsidian pagoda]

ugh why'd it screenshot my whole screen

[severe brook]

Anogg is dead. She (her recreation) went back through the Seed to close it from the dimension it was pulling information from.

[open verge]

This story sucks LOL

[severe brook]

(Apparently someone said there's concept art for her in the Nier Replicant remake? Or something? I dunno that sounds fake)

[maiden lodge]

Is this seed foreshadowed... at all?

[viscid monolith]

In Nier

[severe brook]

it was foreshadowed with the intermediary quest from 5.4
but not really before that, no

[vital topaz]

Good, I dont want giant cannabalistic baby gods fucking up the whole of Hydaelyn

[maiden lodge]

...oof.

[gaunt star]

Y'know... you can call Eden and Omega fanservice but at least it's not Nier fanservice. Thats my stance

[teal geyser]

I do

[open verge]

Nier is just show don’t tell

[maiden lodge]

So basically... they fucking Necros'd the Nier series.

[severe brook]

yeah i agree, it should've been hinted at beforehand.

at least I guessed right that the Seed was the means by which all the Nier stuff got to the First

[maiden lodge]

Space Flea out of Nowhere. At least the people who begged for a Lavos plot got one

[open verge]

They should have just explained everything in the cutscenes and not random data logs I don’t care enough to fucking connect

[teal geyser]

To be fair here 24-man raids have never really been that big until the end of the second raid usually?

[severe brook]

i mean i got all this from cutscenes before reading datalogs so

[open verge]

You have also played nier

[gaunt star]

Want to understand the seed? Play drakengard. Hey who's jack? Play nier. Who's girl in red? Play nier automata. Final boss? Drakengard 1 and 3

[regal lantern]

We need to accept that the NieR collab was bad. People kept saying to wait till the third raid but nope, it’s bad. I’d blame yoko taro but he’s the type of person who intentionally makes bad story then makes 50 different convoluted stories to make sense of it all and when you’re done you realise the core story is actually quite stupid

[severe brook]

yes, i was about to say, i have an advantage XIV-only players do not

[open verge]

We are not the same lol

[severe brook]

and i agree that the Nier story should've been able to stand up on its own better

[vital topaz]

Sounds like Tetsuya Nomura

[open verge]

You guys get a yoko toro raid let me get my suda 51 raid

[gaunt star]

"he’s the type of person who intentionally makes bad story then makes 50 different convoluted stories"

i literally do not understand this take

[obsidian pagoda]

The mechanic was good but the story you'd never understand unless you play Nier. Though same with the Ivalice one where you'd miss a lot of nuance unless you've played Tactics & XII

[maiden lodge]

People saying now the weeklies will salvage it

[open verge]

I don’t see it man

[gaunt star]

you can literally play either of the NieR games without needing other material

[severe brook]

Killa7 24-man when
it turns out that ||all the Alliance members are one person in different costumes||

[teal geyser]

More No More Heroes or....?

[obsidian pagoda]

To explain everything will require even more text than teh Ivalice raid had and that's a big ask for MMO crowd

[gaunt star]

At least eden and omega raids have a simple enough/in-universe(ish) reason for whats going on... Nier is 🥴

[vital topaz]

You get your suda 51 raid, let me get a Dragon Quest Trial or two with a mount reward

[viscid monolith]

Say what you want but at least I understood the Ivalice story without having played Tactics or XII

[open verge]

More silver case 25 ward suda

[regal lantern]

Yoshi P and even Saito said repeatedly you don’t need to play NieR to enjoy this. No one will play the NieR raid and think “wow this is a cool story, I wanna know more” and play more NieR games. They’ll be left with severe distaste after this shit show

[teal geyser]

The Silver Case is such a weird game for me ugh

[somber storm]

You can also skim over the wikis for to get some context if you don't have the time to play

[open verge]

Imagine seeing kamui show up in ff14 omfg I would lose it

[teal geyser]

Outside the writing style

[gaunt star]

You dont need to play the nier games* to go "WOW! Cool boss and glams!"
But if you're trying to figure out the plot or whats going on...

[gaunt star]

this is implying the NieR storyline for the raids is in any way confusing when it's just:
"Androids bad"
"Seed wants to destroy"
"Aonogg robot"

[open verge]

You don’t like it?

[obsidian pagoda]

I think that's more cause they operate on Final Fantasy logic, whereas Nier is just... not even the same lol

[regal lantern]

People are saying that out of love for “NieR game so deep story”, they’ve been saying this since raid 1, but it’s been the same. The damn raid ended and I don’t really see anyone satisfied

[torpid yoke]

It's possible but I haven't seen any. I could see her in reincarnation though

[severe brook]

i'm decently satisfied but i am me

annd i think that most people's grievances with it are valid

[tight current]

I just dont understand what its even going on about tbh

[teal geyser]

I....don't know? It was my first Suda game really outside watching my brother play No More Heroes (he is a big Suda fan) and frankly I just...I wanted to like it and some parts of it was good but it was so repetitive and the plot destroyed my braincells

[viscid monolith]

You make a good point

[vital topaz]

Oh no.

[open verge]

I love the silver case but I can understand where your coming from

It’s very hard to follow I would say

[vital topaz]

I swear to god Valens...

[teal geyser]

For real, that fucking bit where you have to do the 99 questions was fucking great though

[gaunt star]

^

[open verge]

Yea the setup and pay off was so funny

[gaunt star]

If ff14 cameod in nier, yea go nuts

[vital topaz]

Asshole.

[gaunt star]

"Theres this weird factory"
"Oh fuck killer robots"
"Oh cool a friend"
"Friend betrayed us"
"Okay the actually cool friends are here"
"Anogg fucking died lmao"
"Seed thing from another world made these robots, its bad"

Like, not even talking the actual quality of the story. It isn't confusing lmao

But its the other way round so u gotta adhere to the structure in one way or another 🥴

[severe brook]

i am disappointed that Nier isn't better integrated into XIV's setting. i am at least glad that these are reincarnations and not literally the characters from Nier, as that would just be the final nail.
though granted, the distinction there is incredibly thin.

[obsidian pagoda]

Heeey that Resistance guy from the end of 5.4 didn't die, phew. Poor grunt I thought he was toast for sure.

[wary perch]

Nier problem with the story is there is no connection with the androids

[vital topaz]

Oh thats where its from

[gaunt star]

This is basically just stuff on the surface though and what the game tells you to your face

[teal geyser]

Yesssssss, burn out the bad

[torpid yoke]

Sounds like a set up for a continuation

[teal geyser]

plz no

[severe brook]

man i hope not lol

and i say that as someone who liked it

[wary perch]

2p betrayal has more impact than the ending because we spend time with 2p and trying to repair her

[gaunt star]

The only reason it makes sense is bc you dont want to know more than what the game tells you

[severe brook]

👏 BURN 👏 OUT 👏 THE 👏 BAD 👏

[teal geyser]

👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏

[severe brook]

no cal keep them big

[vital topaz]

I get it now. Is this why SE said No Fuck You to getting a Burn out the Bad Emote?

[wary perch]

While 2b is up and gone until and said let's keep our memory for the experience we had
And I'm like what experience you taking about

[gaunt star]

TRUE

[wary perch]

And we don't even have that in the archive

[teal geyser]

dw we'll get it one day

[open verge]

They literally do nothing

[balmy mesa]

the typical Yoko Taro dumpster fire

[lime estuary]

I adore Nier, but i couldnt care less about the storyline in the Nier raids. I played and enjoyed them for the spectacle and callbacks to Drakengard and Nier, which they provided in ample supply.

[vital topaz]

JESUS

[obsidian pagoda]

He is so punchable

[vital topaz]

That face

[gaunt star]

Case in point: Nier Raids are the true fanservice raids

[severe brook]

[open verge]

2b and 9s don’t do anything in this fucking quest line

[balmy mesa]

oh it gets better

[obsidian pagoda]

People wanna punch Asahi but Valens is worse lol

[brisk quail]

BURN OUT THE BAD

[torpid yoke]

Both plots that started on the first have some thing to do with alternate worlds

[brisk quail]

BURN OUT THE BAD

[open verge]

They are literally just there the entire quest line

[severe brook]

what are you talking about?

9S gets knocked off a cliff and falls into an abyss for the umpteenth time

[gaunt star]

the final boss having Kaine, the notes from the DoD1 ending, a combination of Zero,Queen Beast and 2B as the model, and dead ass just Ending E literally had me crying

[torpid yoke]

Plus the void quests

[gaunt star]

Fckin 9s LMAO

brb nier raids got me crying in the club

[somber storm]

Pretty cool for the FF theme to be mixed into the song

[wary perch]

Being such a pure fan service they could have done it like lightning collab

[brisk quail]

When kaine's theme starts playing.

[wary perch]

Why waste resources for raid

[gaunt star]

Fanservice at Paradigm's Breach

[open verge]

Man it would be nice if all these references weren’t wasted on me

[brisk quail]

Yoko taro got me acting up again

[wary perch]

Could have make them solo instance and nothing change

[gaunt star]

because the raid bosses in this tier are the best 24 man bosses we have no cap

[open verge]

I have no clue what any of this shit meant but the nier fans seem happy lol

[teal geyser]

https://youtu.be/lxoV8J6NW5Q

[obsidian pagoda]

I'm gonna bawl when Replicant comes out and we get the Final ending (again)

[torpid yoke]

Almost true. Delubrum has nice bosses

[wary perch]

Having said that I hope there's more to come on nier story for closure

@gaunt star lightning and xv event are also fan service

[gaunt star]

Omega raids good
nier raids lame BUT dwarves good

Hansel and Gretel are among the most interesting 24 Man bosses purely because there's two bosses, and that's saying something about how boring the other 24 Man bosses tend to be

[obsidian pagoda]

Literally what I wanted to happen during that scene

[torpid yoke]

I thought the omega quests were meh

[gaunt star]

2 bosses that dont let you hit both at the same time? So its just 1 boss with a buddy fir untargetable mechs

[wary perch]

Tbh omega raid was saved by omega f and alpha and omg

[gaunt star]

and thats more interesting than most 24 man bosses

Also as cool as the mechs were H&G going untargetable so much was annoying ngl

[open verge]

Omega quest sucked til plot dump

[obsidian pagoda]

I reckon if we didn't have Alpha, OMG and Nero it would've been boring af

[wary perch]

And their back story which expand the xiv universe

[gaunt star]

Kefka Normal is the most boring normal mode fight to be put in this game

[torpid yoke]

It sucked even after the plot dump for me

[gaunt star]

it's actually a disgrace

Also why did they change the name of the two robots on the elevator

[hollow vessel]

I wonder how tf valens thought he was gonna beat Zenos to take over the empire with a copied version of Zenos in a mech with 3 mechas that got destroyed their first field test lol

[wary perch]

They didn't?

[torpid yoke]

This is just straight fact

[gaunt star]

They did, the names are different

[wary perch]

The name are the same though

[severe brook]

yeah the two guard Goliaths have different names, the old ones were Ko-Shi and Ro-Shi

[gaunt star]

^

[brisk quail]

What if we did question marks. Hurrdurrr

[torpid yoke]

You mean kochi and rochi

[obsidian pagoda]

Arenvald has got a billion death flags waving behind him and I'm terrified

[severe brook]

still. Ko and Ro. the new ones are Mun and Xun

[gaunt star]

^

[echo thicket]

yeah I was surprised it was Koroshi

[vital topaz]

EWWWWWWWWW

[gaunt star]

Different names

[torpid yoke]

Ikr

[echo thicket]

*wasnt

[wary perch]

Then I guess they use mandarin ping yin for the boss in 3rd nier

[severe brook]

their designs are also different; the old ones were black and white, the new ones are both black.
and the old ones had only one with swords and the other with guns, while the new ones both have swords

[wary perch]

While og is Japanese hiragana

[brisk quail]

So omega sucks then? Cuz it's one bit of story at the end and the rest is FINAL FANTASY GREATEST HITS AND NOT SO GREATEST HITS 27

[gusty quest]

It gets worse

[tight current]

wheres the little red girl from?

[gaunt star]

Nier automata

[terse mortar]

nier

[open verge]

Omega definitely sucks

[torpid yoke]

Which didn't include any ff7

[open verge]

I hate omega the same reason why I hate nier

[brisk quail]

And Eden sucks too?

[torpid yoke]

Which seems like a sin in of it self

[brisk quail]

Cuz the story is rushed and barely coherent

[severe brook]

she's from Nier Automata, ||they're the Avatars of the collective Machine Network. In Dark Apocalypse, the recreated Machine Network are acting as the Seed's agents, so the Red Girl is the 'soul' of the Seed.||

[gusty quest]

Eden was great

[open verge]

Eden is bosses that originally came from this game and was great for it

[brisk quail]

And character development happens over the span of a single coffee br3ak

[lilac coyote]

Well xiv has often be described as a themepark, it will have attractions you enjoy and don't

[wary perch]

@torpid yoke have to save it for ff7r collab

[teal geyser]

I wish ||Omega F sucked ||

[severe brook]

Eden was cool. Omega had a neat ending but the body content was sadly dull.

[open verge]

Same

[severe brook]

cal no

[teal geyser]

Cal yes

[torpid yoke]

CAL NOO

[lilac coyote]

Omega was basically a tournament arc

[autumn heron]

I agree with Cal

[obsidian pagoda]

He's fucking gonna die isn't he? They better not kill another Joe Dempsie character

[severe brook]

i think that they could've kept Omega's general backstory and made its plotline something different from a tournament arc, and they would've been able to make it work better

[teal geyser]

Literally dripping in death flags

[open verge]

If the quest line bothered to explain stuff like this it would have been sick for me

[obsidian pagoda]

Flags could not have been bigger if they tried

[tight current]

Arenvald gets 360 quickscoped by alisae

[gaunt star]

Even if omegas plot was weak, the interactions and other characters made it good

[open verge]

When the fuck do arenvald and fordola kiss

[tight current]

they couldve given him a red cape

[severe brook]

i think, unfortunately, they were trying to avoid complaints about Ivalice, where some people apparently felt that it was too exposition-heavy

[obsidian pagoda]

Just before he dies obv

[lilac coyote]

Can't please everyone

[echo thicket]

the ending of omega raid got me a bit teary eye first run though lol

[lilac coyote]

Explain plot and lore in great detail? People complain

[severe brook]

yeah, i mean even Eden is basically a 180 from Omega's common complaints.

[torpid yoke]

So what I'm hearing is. Player base strikes again?

[open verge]

explain absolutely nothing? complain

[autumn heron]

See the issue is the nier raids have the same problem the Ivalice raids did, If you didnt play FFT and FF12 the Ivalice raid plotline meant nothing. If you didnt play Nier and Nier Automata (and even Drakengard 1) the Nier raid storyline means nothing

[gaunt star]

And at least the bosses in omega go into brief detail of what they're based off of even if its mostly fairytales and shiz

[lilac coyote]

Go for minimalist approach and figure things out yoursef? People complain

[open verge]

There is middle ground between ivalice and nier that can easily be struck

[gaunt star]

Instead of just existing for references of the ppl who played the games

[open verge]

Because ivalice and nier are the worse of both words

[forest magnet]

😳 What if we kissed 😳
😳 In the medical ward 😳

[severe brook]

it's not entirely the same. with Ivalice, they tried to cram in a lot of lore to help people who hadn't played those games, only for people to complain

[gaunt star]

Anyway an original raid series should hopefully be.... Good???

[gusty quest]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[viscid monolith]

I'd rather too much be explained than nothing at all

[crystal arrow]

delubrum

[vital topaz]

So, what happened with that guy who was piloting the Diamond weapon? He got all...spongy and goopy

[forest magnet]

he died

[severe brook]

i am hoping Pandaemonium will strike a happy medium

[obsidian pagoda]

The start of a beautiful relationship? 👀

[viscid monolith]

People do not like reading

[crystal arrow]

pandaemonium is not the alliance raid

[severe brook]

his body died once they shut off the cockpit

[echo thicket]

the only thing I got from ivalice was... ramza (ours atleast) was a dick head

[autumn heron]

Pandaemonium is going to be entirely original so it makes no difference

[forest magnet]

Ivalice raids are great from a gameplay standpoint what are you talking about

[open verge]

😳What if we swam😳
😳In the loch seld😳

[severe brook]

you are right and i am a fool. well, hopefully the Alliance will be the happy medium

[lilac coyote]

He got better at the end

[gaunt star]

Both the raids and the alliance raids are going to be original

[open verge]

I never said it wasn’t lmfao

[forest magnet]

I thought that's what you meant by worst of both worlds

[open verge]

I think ivalice and nier were both great gameplay wise

[lilac coyote]

Unfortunately that's how collabs are

[autumn heron]

The Alliance in EW is also gonna be entirely original

[severe brook]

the Alliance Raid is the one that'll be original. the 8-man is not. After all, Pandaemonium is already a reference to past games in name alone.

[forest magnet]

I'd argue that the Tower is kinda bleh gameplay wise.

[cinder spindle]

Diamond weapon ex is easier than EMEX

[gaunt star]

Also i don't understand the death flag thing. Isnt arenvald(?) Having a brush with death make him temporarily immune to death flags?

[viscid monolith]

And at least Ivalice is Final Fantasy and therefore easy enough to understand the gist of.

[gaunt star]

Yknow.... Like the blue mage debuff

[autumn heron]

Pandaemonium is a common name in FF. Its the final dungeon in both FF2 and FF9

[obsidian pagoda]

Reverse uno

[forest magnet]

That was supposed to work with G'raha Tia...

[gaunt star]

the eden raid series has a bajillion FF8 references and is entirely original

[vital topaz]

What a fucking bitch Livia was.

[obsidian pagoda]

We all know she cray cray

[forest magnet]

Entirely original by remixing 7 primals and Cloud of Darkness. nice.

[cinder spindle]

Livia is obsessed with gaius. good thing is she dead

[open verge]

Eden is the best example of how they should approach references

[gaunt star]

like, it can have a name thats from another game as a reference, that doesn't mean its suddenly going to have Emperor Mateus

[viscid monolith]

Gaius could have told her to fuck off so you. It is equally his fault.

[gaunt star]

bit pedantic but okay

[severe brook]

Yes. That's why it can't be original to XIV.
The Alliance Raid may well be something completely new to Final fantasy though, and thus would be original to XIV.

[forest magnet]

~~Eden ~~ Crystal Tower is the best example of how they should approach references

[gaunt star]

I guess I can understand killing arenvald if he SOMEHOW gets turned into a beast or something (??) But otherwise killing him off is 🥴

[vital topaz]

Oh, so this is where the retcon Gaius' relationship with Livia. Good.

[gusty quest]

I couldn't agree more

[severe brook]

it's...i kind of would rather they outright confronted it but it's fine i guess

[cinder spindle]

didn't gaius not answer livia's feelings and just left it as that?

[forest magnet]

Well, he tried his best. 😉

[echo thicket]

I'm surprised mt gulg wasn't Involved since it too came from Inside the mountain , is still up there and the last area has similar texture to tower .. sort of

[obsidian pagoda]

Meeting in his chamber is totally innocent, I swear

[viscid monolith]

No not good. Retroactively making Gaius look like wasn't in control is kind of sleezy.

[gaunt star]

he was telling her off

[gusty quest]

He was like "Bad Livia, bad."

[autumn heron]

It certainly wasnt the best way to retcon something

[echo thicket]

My only gripe with the exploration of the nier raids is you have to walk through the entire thing and not using the teleporter to move around 😑

[gaunt star]

TRUE

[autumn heron]

but it was ultimately a pretty minor thing at this point

[obsidian pagoda]

Get a room you two

[autumn heron]

though that can also be me barely remembering Livia

[viscid monolith]

They also tried to retcon him into being sort of ignorant of the abuse going in the conquered territories

[ashen violet]

so i have a few questions

1. does anyone have a picture of how the 9s hairstyle looks on femras?
2. why haven't we given gaius the explosive collar yet?

[severe brook]

Yeah, i get using Werlyt so him getting a redemption arc in 6.0 doesn't feel out of nowhere but i wish they avoided doing it by utterly woobifying him

[viscid monolith]

Or maybe that isn't a retcon. Maybe I just don't believe that because it makes 0 sense.

[obsidian pagoda]

Agree Lance

they made him too nice too quick

[severe brook]

it might not be an outright retcon, it technically doesn't contradict what we know before, but it feels very different compared to how he was written in 1.0 and ARR

[autumn heron]

Cause Gaius pretty much had a full redemption arc and everyone is cool with him now

[gaunt star]

1. idk
2. he has that elezen blm constantly watching him like a hawk

[hollow vessel]

Damn it's that easy? Havent tried it yet but what everyone is saying about it makes it out like it's one of the easiest extreme trials

[vital topaz]

I feel like the true start of Gaius' redemption is gonna be when he kills Lahabrea in Pandaemonium. Of course, he still has tons to answer for, but its a start.

[ashen violet]

and about that one
where the heck is the elezen boy at the start of the diamond quest

[severe brook]

2. ||that Elezen decides Gaius can't be that bad and tells a bunch of kids he isn't too scary in the end.||

[gaunt star]

Yep

[gaunt star]

bruh the weapon trials series is literally his redemption arc

[viscid monolith]

I don't believe that Gaius who has been in the military for nearly 40 years and worked his way up the ranks is ignorant of the abuses of the Empire. I'm sure that he just ignored it purposefully and told himself it was for the greater good.

[severe brook]

i actually don't think Gaius will be involved in Pandaemonium, but i could be wrong

[gaunt star]

his redemption arc started the minute he came back as shadowhunter

[dim sigil]

Honestly it feels like his character is completed and he doesn't even need to show up anymore

[severe brook]

Yeah, I think them sticking to that and having Gaius' arc be about acknowledging it would've worked better

[gaunt star]

cause since then he's been trying to right past wrongs in some way, which comes to a head during Werlyt

[autumn heron]

He sees Gaius is genuienly trying his best to fix what he did and make sure it never happens again, so Elezen was like aight let by gones be by gones

[ashen violet]

what can I say but yikes
I mean look we got fordola fighting with us and spitting facts but gaius? no? look mnaago you could've brought along an explosive collar too when you brought that reply

[viscid monolith]

But ya I like that word woobify. That's what they were doing and they should maybe not do that in the future.

[gaunt star]

Are people like... Against it?

[severe brook]

and granted, he kind of acknowledges it at the very end, in Terncliff.
but even his confrontation with Valens still feels like he wants there to be a "good empire" and there really isn't

[gaunt star]

Gaius getting a redemption arc that is

[viscid monolith]

Nah. I just don't like small parts of how they did it.

[ashen violet]

I'm not against it it's just very, very contrived and a big waste of at least 4 characters
up to 6 basically

[severe brook]

i'm not against them doing it. overall, i like what they're doing with him in Werlyt.
I just wish it was handled a little more gracefully in some aspects.

[gaunt star]

Like what

[autumn heron]

I really liked the Werlyt storyline overall

[serene crest]

Also really weird to me, still, that they kind of threw Livia under the bus. Like we knew she was kind of nuts but that felt a little unnecessary.

[forest magnet]

I mean they really did nail it on the head that Gaius will live with that guilt for the rest of his life.

[viscid monolith]

Gaius having all of the suffering he's inflicted on people for decades brought down on his head is enough to make me believe he's reformed.

[severe brook]

basically making a lot of his more unsavory aspects glossed over and lessened. like how Livia is suddenly the driving force behind their relationship that Gaius kowtowed to, and him somehow being unaware of many of the bad things that were happening under imperial rule.

[gaunt star]

I see

[vital topaz]

Hell yea lets go

[gusty quest]

You can do it, we believe in you!

[heady shadow]

Knights gonna finish the weapons quests before me

[obsidian pagoda]

That quest name is excellent 💯

[severe brook]

i think the general narrative arc they have for him is fine. but i would rather they had those parts of his story be confronted directly instead of altered like this

[pulsar yacht]

did some dirty casual mining and looks like that's the reason nobody could find the other items.
2 moogle tomestone events: pageantry and lore (hi, heavensward)
fat cat earrings(?), fat cat parasol(?), great serpent of ringa (tome)

[ashen violet]

if he was unaware to the bad things under the current, he's not a good leader in the first place i think

[vital topaz]

Wait, is the DW a Solo Duty?

[autumn heron]

Gaius literally ||lost 4 of his 5 kids and still did the right thing in the end||

[brisk quail]

I didn't expect this much sorrow from the sorrow or Werlyt qurstline

[severe brook]

i was hoping for "Diamond is a Girl's Best Friend."

[autumn heron]

Gaius is cool now

[obsidian pagoda]

That would work too, though maybe reserved for when tataru wants us to earn some cash for the Scions

[ashen violet]

oh shit that's a good one

[severe brook]

it's not, it's a full trial

[viscid monolith]

I didn't expect this much body horror but it was welcome

[forest magnet]

Gaius using thunder cross split attack a new terminus est against VvV is so anime lmao

[gusty quest]

It was cool though

[severe brook]

CROCEA MORS

[gaunt star]

Can I just say, God Bless the Grape Incident 🙏

[brisk quail]

||BUT THIS ISN'T IN MY DATA AUUUUUGGGHHHH||

[gusty quest]

Pop

[autumn heron]

Final Fantasy is and has always been very anime

[viscid monolith]

Him saying the name out loud is what makes it really anime

[ashen violet]

5.5 msq body horror reminded me of those rtgame minecraft servers(ahem)

[vital topaz]

You knew what you were signing up for the moment you saw that Tesleen scene, don't lie.

[kindred rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/head-homer-thesimpsons-gif-4680733

[forest magnet]

I swear i've seen this exact scene in another anime

[brisk quail]

pop, sound of someone pouring out a soda

[vital topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-in-black-shirt-thirsty-overflow-hexen-so-gif-11884310

[severe brook]

"I AM A GENIUS! OH NO!"

[somber storm]

[severe brook]

how fitting that Werlyt basically ends with a Gundam meme

[timber lichen]

do we know the music that plays at this timestamp? only the name pls, i havent finished 5.5 yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG9VC5B_wRw&t=71s

[brisk quail]

||HOW COULD HE POSSIBLY BEST ME WHEN I GIVE HIM THE EXACT WAY TO BEAT ME?!?!?!?||

[dim sigil]

That's clearly bozja theme

[obsidian pagoda]

Sick burn Alisaie

[brisk quail]

||DRAT. FOILED AGAIN||

[dim sigil]

Prob zandors field

[timber lichen]

damn so theres no orchestrion roll

[severe brook]

i think that'll be Zodnar's music or Dalriada's interior

[gaunt star]

There wont be until 5.55

[ashen violet]

dalriada interior seems most likely

[timber lichen]

i was hoping it was in the game already