retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[next oriole]

no, they got ||zeta|| slapped onto them i think

[torpid yoke]

Though I do want hades crafter weapons so I might need to go back in

They look nice

[next oriole]

they look meh as usual

[oak pike]

Byakko glow effect is dope

[gaunt star]

Diamond ex giving two doesnt really make sense

[oak pike]

might get the monk weapons for that

[maiden lodge]

If it's a long slog of a checkpointless fight like Hades, it does.

[gaunt star]

We killed it in 10m and didnt see the enrage. I guess theres times where the boss goes invulnerable...

But emex doesnt get 2 so im like :?

Its also 10m+

[maiden lodge]

EmEx has a checkpoint.

[gaunt star]

True... True

[maiden lodge]

And it's not 10m.

[gaunt star]

If the criteria is a checkpoint then i understand then

[oak pike]

the teather in diamond ex seems cool

[next oriole]

that's like 8 minutes if we exclude forced cutscenes

[maiden lodge]

9 minutes is tickling the taint of both enrages

[dense linden]

How can I mark a post on ffxiv reddit as a spoiler?

[gaunt star]

If you're doing full length of both its over 10m. Most of my kills is around the 5m mark

5m on both p1 and p2

[maiden lodge]

Whereas hades is

And without many ways to speed it up

[open verge]

Can’t wait to see the Zenos oversoul in Sorrow ultimate

[vital brook]

Who has pics of all the nier sets btw?

[maiden lodge]

ooof, that's.... that's not good.

p2 5 minutes fine, but p1?!

[gaunt star]

The ones i did over the last week were about 4m, i didnt touch them past the first month of 5.4, really

[maiden lodge]

Yeah, that's about... when you get minelocked and push it over but it has to finish doing magnet mines

[gaunt star]

Yea

[viscid monolith]

Did you guys see the Riddle of Earth change

[maiden lodge]

That's a normal clear time

[viscid monolith]

!action Riddle of Earth

[lusty shadow]

**Riddle of Earth** : lvl 64 MNK (30.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Grants 3 stacks of Riddle of Earth, each stack reducing damage taken by 10% and nullifying all action direction requirements.
Duration: 10s
Maximum Charges: 3
Effect ends when time expires or upon execution of three weaponskills.

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[gaunt star]

But yeah diamond was weird cuz i was expecting the phase change the entire time cuz of the trailer and then we killed it and i was like "oh"

[viscid monolith]

[viscid glade]

same i was like "wuh????"

[gaunt star]

LMAO

[open verge]

Yea I was hoping it didn’t die and there was a phase change then it died lol

[grave elm]

yeah where was my midfight cutscene

[terse cargo]

zenos||= has a litteral armament full of weapons in his throne room||, also zenos= ||fades to black when he picks one out||, god damn tease!!! lol

[gaunt star]

Its?? Pretty easy?? We cleared from blind in 1lockout and a half

[viscid monolith]

Ya no Oversoul is a major disappointment. Possibly the biggest disappointment of the patch since I didn't expect anything from Nier.

[torpid yoke]

It does the form change when it becomes ifrit

[maiden lodge]

Wait, Monk has a 30% damage reduction cooldown?!

[gaunt star]

After fobbing around with numbers for a bit

[viscid glade]

scythe scythe scythe scythe scythe scythe scythe scythe scythe

[open verge]

Monk has a literal tank stances lol

[maiden lodge]

'Monk needs Sentinel'

[viscid monolith]

No it's 10%

[open verge]

!action fist of earth

[viscid glade]

rate this post 😢 if you cried this patch

[lusty shadow]

**Fists of Earth** : lvl 15 PGL MNK (3.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Reduces damage taken by 10%.
Cannot be used with Fists of Fire or Fists of Wind, and shares a recast timer with both.
Effect ends upon reuse.

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[terse cargo]

@viscid glade lol the next few weeks are going to be nothing sort of scythe predictions now haha

[gaunt star]

Im glad it gives 2 totems. Makes my life easier. Also i feel like some of the fight will trip up pf trappers so thats something to look forward to when i start farming

[maiden lodge]

yes, but you get 3 stacks?

[open verge]

You are never gonna use all 3 stacks at once lmfao

[viscid monolith]

The wording is weird. You have 10% damage taken reduction as long as you have at least 1 stack

[maiden lodge]

Then what do the stacks do exactly?

[gaunt star]

On that note - the fetes. Are they every even hour (server time) or odd?

[viscid monolith]

But every gcd takes away one stack

[gaunt star]

Reduce damage taken and ignore positionals

[maiden lodge]

THERE it is.

[viscid monolith]

Each stack is a gcd that ignores positionals

[open verge]

Acceleration basically for true north

[stiff charm]

true bunshin now yoshi give us blood bunshin pls

[maiden lodge]

Acceleration for true north. See, this is why you get people who don't read their tooltips.

[open verge]

Acceleration in the way the stacks work lol

[viscid monolith]

Before 5.5 there were no stacks and the buff only lasted 6 seconds, which is 3 gcds for monk but you had no room to breath.

[maiden lodge]

They could have written it... like... to be even close to what it does.

[open verge]

It confused me when I read it in the patch notes I was like 10 seconds true north? Then I learned about the stacks

[maiden lodge]

'Your next three weaponskills do not have positional requirements. While you have a stack remaining, you take 10% less damage'

Holy shit SE, like.... this isn't rocket surgery

[viscid monolith]

Hmm well. I wonder if taking damage also costs a stack

[maiden lodge]

That could be.

[open verge]

Doesn’t

[viscid monolith]

I hope not

[open verge]

Stacks only exist so you can have breathing room

Having only 6 seconds was terrible lol

[viscid monolith]

Ok so this tooltip is really bad

[open verge]

They buffed drg but didn’t fix their aoe wtf

[stiff charm]

lv 82 trait!!!

[open verge]

Drg aoe would be so fun but for whatever stupid reason they don’t have a refresh on their disembowel

[lilac gate]

Eyo i can't find reliable info on that, is Casting gear from new Nier raid Devola/popola set? I saw only healing one and i know it's the one but is the Casting the same?

[stiff charm]

healing is devola casting is popola (or other way around idk)

[lilac gate]

Oki!

[open verge]

Like drg kit is made with very good aoe just for it not have a refresh for whatever reason lol

[stiff charm]

theyre basically the same set but flipped

[lilac gate]

(Now to only drop it >.> )

[tardy shard]

Is there a mount in the new raid

[forest magnet]

No.

[maiden lodge]

Do packs last long enough for it to matter though?

[oak pike]

sometimes

[open verge]

It’s an issue that doesn’t need to exist and only drg has it lol

[maiden lodge]

DRG has so much free AoE in its ST kit that they don't necessarily need a disembowel refresh tbh

[open verge]

There’s no reason for it not refresh disembowel

[stiff charm]

everyone talks about disembowel refresh but what about storms eye application

[maiden lodge]

Just whittle things down until Gierskogels and Dragonfires will do the trick and swap to single target on the fat hp mob that's in every pak now

[open verge]

They made holding storms eye easier for aoe lol

[stiff charm]

i genuinely get so mad at warrior for being fun but i hate having to do 3 single target hits before starting aoe
AS A T A N K

[oak pike]

i ususaly dont bring storm eye up still i hit a wall

[viscid glade]

i am never sleeping again

[stiff charm]

actually yeah im dumb i can just pull with unbuffed aoe

[open verge]

Sometimes it’s better to refresh disembowel for aoe but like it’s an issue that shouldn’t even exist

[maiden lodge]

It'd have to be a very resillent aoe pack

[open verge]

She jumpscsred my screen and it was pretty sick

[stiff charm]

same, i think it happens to everyone before the hacking phase

[viscid glade]

god the jumpscare in the fight freaked me out too

[forest magnet]

Wait, does the Kanji during train phase actually complete the sentence?

[maiden lodge]

Found VvV's long lost daughter

[open verge]

It doesn’t matter if the aoe pack is tanky or not there is no reason why drgs aoe combo doesn’t refresh disembowel

[gaunt star]

red girl's fight carried the whole raid js

[stiff charm]

just put disembowel refresh on coerthan torment, keep botd refresh on the second one

[gaunt star]

man having to farm this raid will be painful

[stiff charm]

final boss was wacky enough to satisfy me completely, i am not even remotely disappointed with the nier raid story anymore, final boss is all i needed

[gaunt star]

they should've made her final boss instead of the current final one

[open verge]

All it takes is adding a qol change for drgs aoe to be perfect

[gaunt star]

i will admit the mechanics overall were very cool though

[open verge]

The raid was cool I liked it story just didnt do anything for me

[stiff charm]

same and im a nier fan lol

[open verge]

I’ve ranted about nier too much today smh
still want to play replicant

[stiff charm]

contents of the raids were super fun and good fanservice but the dwarf stuff was either boring or annoying and nier story stuff just barely held together big fanservice moments that i liked

[regal lantern]

So what weapon did Zenos pick? Sword?

[wet crown]

Scythe

[regal lantern]

No

[stiff charm]

scythe probably. sword wouldnt surprise damndaniel

[gaunt star]

from what people have say it's funny that when zeno grab that new weapon of his turn out there nothing there they really don't want us to know what the new job is

[kind lark]

scythe

[open verge]

Scythe

[wet crown]

Why would you even bother asking if you know what he supposedly picked?

[regal lantern]

Really??? Scythe?

[subtle pasture]

Arenvald saying "J'moldva" and "V'mah" aloud
...Man you can just really hear all the takes that must have took...

[regal lantern]

I can’t play today since I’m away from home. I’m genuinely curious sorry

[gaunt star]

its definitely scythe

[stiff charm]

just wait until we get miqos saying "kh" out loud lol, we will get voice acted cat hissing

[wet crown]

We already saw the top of a scythe in the EW trailer

[stiff charm]

(in miqo language kh in names is a hiss)

[gaunt star]

[kind lark]

Is m'aango pronounced like mango?

[serene crest]

The screen is placed in a way that we can't actually see what grabs his attention and the camera cuts away just as he grabs it but, yeah, that's what it seems like.

[gaunt star]

M is her tribes name

[stiff charm]

no, m'naago

[gaunt star]

i just call her Naago ez pez

[regal lantern]

So nothing confirmed yet. Fair, thank you

[viscid glade]

muh nah go

[wet crown]

that'd be ma-ango

[subtle pasture]

J'moldva has the a silent, neat

[wet crown]

are you sure you don't mean m'naago?

[stiff charm]

im glad we saw her again though, was a nice surprise

[kind lark]

yeah m'aago then, I'll just call her mango

[viscid glade]

can anyone link the nier songs used in this patch

[gaunt star]

tho it seem like sharlayan is hinted to be the city for 6.0 oh well was hoping for a moom base to be honest

[wet crown]

she wore something different, so I thought she was m'zhet

[subtle pasture]

M'naago is one of the easier miqo'te names to say

[wet crown]

[foggy trench]

J'hamilyn or whatever minifilias friend is named thouh

[wet crown]

NPCs changing clothes is so unique and unheard of for side characters

[subtle pasture]

F'lhammin,

[foggy trench]

That's it

[wet crown]

I almost wanna pronounce that like javelin

[gaunt star]

someone say that even with the wall remove it seem like his holding onto nothing as in there no weapon

he actually doesnt hold anything

[kind lark]

I'll just call her famine

[stiff charm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvWAzem1a_A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbUhYTe9t1I
final boss music is new, mix of kaine salvation (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viDKam_hmGM) final boss music from drakengard 1 ending e and also the final fantasy theme

[wet crown]

because the devs know we'd datamine the shit out of that scene

[subtle pasture]

also she and Y'shtola being the clean examples of how the tribal prefix blends into the first syllable, Yeshtola vs Ye-shtola

[viscid glade]

king thank you

[gaunt star]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/100463940835762176/812116468644839424/helltaker-yshtola-2-1.gif

guess they learn their lesson into not putting things into the file huh

[wet crown]

yh, now they put shit into CGI trailers

[subtle pasture]

The final boss was SO COOL.

[viscid glade]

whats the song from the first phase of the final boss

[gaunt star]

why would they reveal the new class in 5.5 xd

[wet crown]

IKR!? I loved the raid

[subtle pasture]

I'll rerun TaPB again after MSQ, I got my chestpiece but I always dig spamming alliance raids week 1

burnout, I don't know her.

[stiff charm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEP1bKv7-r0

[viscid glade]

double king thanks again

[stiff charm]

forgot about that one lol

[gaunt star]

huh why not normally all the jobs for the expan are already reveal

[viscid glade]

i gotta fuckin play nier now

[forest magnet]

to keep hype up

[gaunt star]

[subtle pasture]

Like Knave of Hearts was earnestly the most boring just bc he hit the "REPEAT THE THINGS" final phase far too early for me, deffo needed another mechanic set.

[gaunt star]

knave was cancer

so many dead bodies

[stiff charm]

replicant is coming out soon, imo play that first, i have only played automata and am waiting for remake to play replicant
though also replicant kinda spoils a major twist in automata despite being a prequel lmao

[viscid glade]

is replicant coming to pc

[gaunt star]

yeah

[wet crown]

red girl's fight was also so cool with the hacking phase and the displacement and forced march mechanics

[subtle pasture]

Hansel and Gretel similarly felt like glorified trash but they had the mech complexity Knave didn't-- but beyond that point I LOVE IT

[viscid glade]

sweet

im gonna wait until they patch steam version as they said they would

[stiff charm]

wait will they? lol
i just play with far mod and texture mods

[gaunt star]

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[subtle pasture]

Also, Knave and H/G are literally door bosses, guys.

[kind lark]

hansel and gretal is just two queen's knights

[viscid glade]

so, play this before nier autotomato?

[gaunt star]

replicant is prequel of automata

[viscid glade]

is it the first nier game remade

[stiff charm]

yes

[gaunt star]

Yes

[viscid glade]

and theres just two nier games

[stiff charm]

yes

[wet crown]

Drakengard 3 -> Drakengard 1 -> Nier Replicant -> Nier Gestalt -> Nier Automata

[smoky storm]

Trying not to read chat for spoilers but I’m doing the new dungeon trust

[gaunt star]

This

[subtle pasture]

I thought Gestalt was the first game- oh okay

[stiff charm]

gestalt is a version of replicant released in the west isnt it? not a sequel

[smoky storm]

What are the mechs for the first boss—the lightning dog? I keep dying

[gaunt star]

yeah Sahr

[wet crown]

I don't fucking know, honestly.

[subtle pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/well-yes-but-actually-no-well-yes-no-yes-yes-no-gif-13736934

[viscid glade]

the hell is drakengard

[stiff charm]

bring lightning to the rods on the outside of the arena

[gaunt star]

The prequel to NieR

[smoky storm]

That it? I tried that and it didn’t take the ring off me

[gaunt star]

nier replicant never released on the west, we got gestalt instead if im not wrong

[wet crown]

just play them both before automata, if you want to
you don't have to though

[smoky storm]

[stiff charm]

gestalt is just replicant with a different protag

[gaunt star]

yeah

[stiff charm]

and also replicant is getting the remake, not gestalt so just play the remake

[serene crest]

The order that the little purple nails fall is the order that the explosions hit. When you get a purple circle, touch one of the posts on the edge of the arena.

[gaunt star]

NieR Brother > NieR Father

[smoky storm]

Replicant > Gestalt tbh

[gaunt star]

yep yep remake aka story changes coming too

[smoky storm]

Old!Nier having sexual tension with a chick young enough to be his daughter is kinda weird Ngl

[subtle pasture]

how far into the MSQ is the dungeon, btw

[smoky storm]

Not too far

[subtle pasture]

two steps and a shake or 3 hou-- cool

[gaunt star]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ey2qptnWEAARDTn?format=jpg&name=large thank u yoko taro

[wet crown]

I read a lot of dialogue so about an hour?

[smoky storm]

Maybe like 45 minutes to an hour if you’re reading dialogue

[wet crown]

the MSQ isn't that long

[smoky storm]

Fuck my wifi dropped, gotta start over again rip

[subtle pasture]

I keep getting distracted but this is just the tender moment with Arenvald in Ala Mhigo,

[kind lark]

the new dungeon is cool tho

[stiff charm]

its basically half an msq so 2 hours, dungeon is about an hour in

[subtle pasture]

Tsundere Fordola

[wet crown]

I disagree. I felt this dungeon was fairly weak

[smoky storm]

OH MY GOD ARENVALD AND FORDOLA IS GOALS

[gaunt star]

new dungeon kinda cool, shame tank pushes ads away from Tiamats aoe tho

[subtle pasture]

--HONESTLY, when it comes to shipping

[gaunt star]

why would u not want them to die faster

[next oriole]

i don't get hansel and gretel

[stiff charm]

this is actually my favorite 5.x dungeon (PATCHES SPECIFICALLY, CLARIFYING SO NO ONE KILLS ME, AMAUROT IS MY FAVORITE DUNGEON OVERALL)

[subtle pasture]

...I may have come out of Werlyt feelin' Gaius/Valdeaulin.... :V

[smoky storm]

They really fed us Arenvald/Fordola shippers this patch 😩

[next oriole]

how do i avoid getting a vuln on that cleave thing
I saw the side of blades lighting up and went "oh, i just go to the sides that aren't glowing! 1 vuln stack

[lucid geode]

I kinda hate the 2nd boss in the new dungeon though

[smoky storm]

I’m stuck on the first rn

[lucid geode]

Mainly because I hate anything that consists solely of add phases

[subtle pasture]

Gaius/Valdeaulin got that grizzled dads who have lost everything/nearly everything camaraderie

[serene crest]

2nd boss feels like Contra shit. "Fight" an actual wall.

[next oriole]

eventually, it became "fuck it, uptime, vul nstack" cause that's the only time i get hit by it

[lucid geode]

I'm always happy to have Akh Morn tho

I like standing in glowy energy columns

[stiff charm]

when i saw the cast bar i visibly pogged and instantly casted tbn and aoe mitigation

[forest magnet]

So the train station announcement in hiragana is referencing how we're in Tokyo, right?

[lucid geode]

Me too!

[gaunt star]

Yes

[stiff charm]

yeah like ending e of drakengard 1

3?

[smoky storm]

LMAO 15 seconds into first boss and I’m dead

[subtle pasture]

Was it not more recordings out of the Network like for CF, just refined as the Seed grew in power?

Or little of a, little of b

[smoky storm]

This lightning shit is complicated, I don’t understand the order at all

[stiff charm]

yeah i dont think it was actually tokyo, just a recreation from the seed

[forest magnet]

So if you played the game in Japanese text. the train announcement would be fully in hiragana?

[next oriole]

which lightning shit

[wet crown]

to me it looks like the final boss background of DG3

[lucid geode]

There's no order you just have to drop the aoe around you on one of the rods at the edge

[pine epoch]

So from research

[subtle pasture]

Oh, HI's distorted speech bubble. Yeah I could see it.

[smoky storm]

Well it’s not going when I walk up to the thing

[lucid geode]

yeah it stays there

[pine epoch]

Cruise Chaser mount is a 2 seater

[smoky storm]

Well then if I’m doing what I’m supposed to then why am I dying

[lucid geode]

I dunno, maybe you get too close to the orbs

[next oriole]

i don't get it, what lightning shit, i don't remember after doing it twice

[lucid geode]

they pulse with aoe and each one applies vuln debuffs

[subtle pasture]

also shoutout to TaPB and Diamond having enormous cutscenes before the final boss/the pull

[smoky storm]

Bold of you to assume ive even made it to the orbs lol

[lucid geode]

the first boss

[smoky storm]

For me the fight goes, get hit by first lightning thingy, damage + res down, then get killed by following aoe

[lucid geode]

So basically it creates a ton of aoe circles and one aoe circle around each player. The players need to drop their circles off at one of the rods (can't use the same rod twice) and then move to a safezone

[subtle pasture]

ALSO-- @wet crown big disappointment Red Girl wasn't voiced.

I get why, but, still

[wet crown]

yeah...

[next oriole]

all i remembered from that boss was, knockback, hades mid safe and mid not safe mechanic and some 1 2 mechanic

[wet crown]

actually

orbonne was voiced, topb was not

[lucid geode]

well you can survive not dropping the aoes off at the rods

[severe finch]

im sad you didnt beat red girl by not attacking her

[next oriole]

i didn't see any rods

[wet crown]

you can't expect 24 dunces to not attack

[stiff charm]

on my first tapb run everyone stood behind the blocks on knockback so EVERYONE got knocked off 24 whole people

[severe finch]

i kept telling my alliance chat to not attack her LOL

[severe finch]

yeah i know but it seems like something yoko taro would to

[subtle pasture]

Yeah if it was implemented it woulda been forced and made it untargetable, which just ruins the appeal of it imo

[lucid geode]

On my first run some mentor marked himself so we could follow him to dodge aoe. He then proceeded to wipe the whole raid

[smoky storm]

Yeah I can’t fucking do this, idk why my NPC comrades are getting the rings removed but I don’t even when I touch the rod

[subtle pasture]

Like people already struggled with Upgraded Shield in Hansel & Gretel

[smoky storm]

The ring still follows me and then I get vuln stacked

[severe finch]

in my run we somehow only wiped to the first boss

[amber loom]

When I ran the 24 man

[lucid geode]

Can't use a rod that has already been used. Gonna assume that's the issue

[severe finch]

to the knockback mechanic

[amber loom]

I died alot and we used LOT of healer lb3

[smoky storm]

How am I supposed to tell?

[stiff charm]

same i saw like 5 healer lb3s

[subtle pasture]

Knave was a struggle with the first Lunge but we did one pull it,

[terse cargo]

4:19 in the afternoon and im hitting 21min quetime as tank for yorha tower raid,like wut......its patch day! no way everyone did it this morning

[lucid geode]

It will glow and already have an aoe around it because someone dropped one off there

[amber loom]

not to mention there is ||A LITTLE GIRL IN A RED DRESS||

[severe finch]

literally EVERYONE died to the first knockback in our first pull, it was so funny

i was doing it with some people in my fc and we were dying in vc

[subtle pasture]

Honestly the end of the first trash pack, before Red Girl, was horrifying

||all the 2P shades become Red Girls ||

[lucid geode]

the fucking flashing face during red girl fight was terrifying

like srsly... not cool

[amber loom]

I've played F.E.A.R. and Corpse party

[subtle pasture]

The digital segments were handled extremely well, I dig the Ego Collective flavor text around it all

...not gonna question how 9S' access point digitizes us but not gonna think on that too hard

[amber loom]

I figured out some of the mechanics by looking at em

[wet crown]

okay, so in yoko taro's multiverse, children mean bad buisiness
and if their voices drop, you better kill them ASAP

[lucid geode]

yes

[subtle pasture]

the biggest trip up was, the usual, which time to match colors and which time to oppose orz

[forest magnet]

double meteors was the one that tripped me up

[wet crown]

Don't worry about it, yes yes

[amber loom]

Yeah we get meteored

[stiff charm]

i love that the meteors are called "wipe" when they hit you

[subtle pasture]

--also when she does Shockwave with a bunch of ground aoe pylons I'm pretty sure you can break the pylons with Shockwave and clear up space for the Forced March people

[lucid geode]

I really dig how they introduced the colour mechanic designwise. Because it's only shown to you prior during that little minigame segment

[foggy trench]

The watchers dance, the watchers dance, tralalala, tralalala

[subtle pasture]

so PSA on that front

or nvm, they're the same color.

[smoky storm]

Is there not enough rings for the whole party? Because every single time I try these hoes must’ve gotten all the rings, I can’t find a single one available

[subtle pasture]

but the forced march + scattered pylons is deffo a brutal point

[lucid geode]

There's exactly 4 rods I think

[next oriole]

childs play?

[wet crown]

actually, the fight teaches the color mechanic right away with the walls

it shows you twice how the arrows interact with the walls, both colors

[lucid geode]

yeah but at first there are only white walls, right?

[subtle pasture]

Childs Play is her forced march/playing the piper, yeah?

[smoky storm]

Ugh I dunno why I can’t find it the

[maiden lodge]

Color mechanic seems pretty simple tbh

[next oriole]

i don't get it, i don't remember any pylons

[subtle pasture]

it's the ground aoes when she's making people forced march, they're the same adds from the hacking segment

[maiden lodge]

Tank should probably keep boss kitty corner, and then people can just move left or right to deal with the color as they need.

[subtle pasture]

I thought you could break them with Shockwave but I think it's black Shockwaves to black pylons so prob not

[wet crown]

yes

[subtle pasture]

Also when she replicates and childs plays the spinning girls

[next oriole]

those blacok things?

i just walk to a safe spot after it ends

[subtle pasture]

the ground ones, aye, since it's black shockwave to black pylons it won't break them, I thought they could

[forest magnet]

the aoe markers were really cool for red girl. I hope we see something similar in the future

[carmine basin]

Train announcement was a mix of english and jp, the hiragana we saw was making words for まもなく(shortly), ごらん (look?) and ください (please)

[wet crown]

hm? isn't that hiragana?

[subtle pasture]

so the hacking segment in red girl, is it the 3 alliances each have a "puzzle" with a sphere?

[carmine basin]

That's what I said

[wet crown]

[carmine basin]

I think so, it was the same either alliance I've been in

[dull atlas]

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFF JESUS this freaking patch

[strange wing]

Wow, that's a heck of an asspull Diamond Weapon

[forest magnet]

in what sense

[dull atlas]

Alphinaud doing Puppy eyes to Estinien when Krile asks him again to join the Scions

my poor heart cant take that much

[next oriole]

I don't like false idol's start, it's seems scripted to be white not safe and black afterwards instead of a tell

[strange wing]

Did the words "overmind" even show up in the questline?

[next oriole]

if there is a tell, someone do mention it, cause it seems scripted and seems like it's just there to kill everyone for their first time there

[odd yoke]

For which mechanic

[gaunt star]

yeah whats wrong with false idol? you kind of have to be trying to die for it

[wet crown]

yes but I was too busy to look at mechanics

[next oriole]

the start, big laser that cleaves 75% of an area thrice?

[subtle pasture]

I mean Oversoul did, so it's not a leap to consider the mental entity within it as an Overmind

[odd yoke]

Madr magic or whatever with the rotating cyclder?

[wet crown]

I honestly don't like the Diamond Weapon fight. It feels a whole lot weaker than what could've been

[subtle pasture]

if anything, Diamond has a reason to have an overmind in its system,

[odd yoke]

The npcs literally tell you how to solve it lol

[brisk quail]

And given the... circumstances

[gaunt star]

third trial series in a row with a weak finish, mechanically

[brisk quail]

Overmind is totally reasonable. Cuz spoilers

[odd yoke]

"watch the rotation of the thing"

[carmine basin]

The red girls were so pretty tho

[subtle pasture]

also not too mad at this top on hrothgar, worst part is the lace in the very front.

--and aye it's dyeable, the white part of it does.

[odd yoke]

The npcs in Thw tower basically tell you how to do every major mechanic really

[next oriole]

i don't have a clip of it, so im not sure if it was mentioned

[subtle pasture]

I assume you're just past the fight and on the afterstory, so, keep going

[smoky storm]

Okay I’ve died about 5 more times with no progress and let me say

[odd yoke]

Its mentioned

[smoky storm]

There’s no fucking way there are four rings

[carmine basin]

Also is anyone else confused about the nier story... Too much chatter here for me to backtrack for people's impression

[gaunt star]

whats confusing

[wet crown]

It's really simple...

[subtle pasture]

well the source of everything was "Because Seed" as expected, I suppose

[carmine basin]

Like the ending didn't seem to explain much for what we've been wondering

[strange wing]

Story wont be finished for another three to five weeks

[dull atlas]

..... Fandaniel sure loves prancing.

[smoky storm]

Every time I’m busy running my ass around the field and I’ve gone into every single ring (using sprint) and none worked and I’d still get bopped but lightning

[strange wing]

Weekly quests because Taro needs a laugh

[wet crown]

A seed of destruction came to Norvrandt and created lots of YoRHa androids and machine lifeforms to destroy it.

[dull atlas]

are we sure he's not Kefka turned Ascian?

[strange wing]

This Seed is also the Arc.

[subtle pasture]

It recreated the Arc, morelike, esp as a defense when the Seed was under threat.

[brisk quail]

Nier story is simple. But is focused on nailing the atmosphere of Nier Automata

Yoko taro isn't using the story to draw players in... but the design... atmosphere and the top notch boss design

[smoky storm]

I just want to clear this dungeon I’m gonna cry it’s been almost a full hour and I haven’t made it past the lightning doggo

[carmine basin]

Was the seed a portal or an entity that made the machines/androids there

[odd yoke]

I love how Yoko taro put in 3 door bosses in his raid

[strange wing]

Hearing Khaine Salvation again was worth it.

[subtle pasture]

literal door bosses

[smoky storm]

This is why I’m an RPer, I can’t handle this level of stress

[wet crown]

An instrument

[brisk quail]

The story is as basic as crossovers come..

Thing comes into the world.
Summons the good guys and bad guys.
Good guys kill thing that brought them into this world and have to go through the portal to save the world they arrived in moments ago

[strange wing]

Both probably

[subtle pasture]

wait so is it the real 9S and 2B or not or doesn't matter bc Seed

[odd yoke]

Go to a rod without lightning, wait for the yellow message to.say "The lightning has been redirected" then go center

[brisk quail]

It's the real ones.

[subtle pasture]

bc them falling through to the First is what made the Seed set its... eyes... on it,

[brisk quail]

They implied that seed was more of a gate

[smoky storm]

I’ve literally ran to every single rod on the field before and still gotten shocked

[strange wing]

I think 2B and 9S are the baddies

[brisk quail]

Than a replication weapon

[wet crown]

Not the way I saw it

[odd yoke]

You need to wait briefly for the message and rod buff

[carmine basin]

Wow Cal is here

[teal geyser]

Have you tried not getting shocked?

[subtle pasture]

[strange wing]

Fear the ancient words. "Git gud"

[oak pike]

i like that emote

[smoky storm]

Oh now I see, I should’ve watched a YouTube video earlier

[wet crown]

You bring the rod directly to an orb and run away

[carmine basin]

Think the 2nd boss of Aery

[odd yoke]

You mean first

[brisk quail]

But that's my opinion.

The story was weak and loose on purpose....

Because it gave Yoko PLENTY of room to make the whole raid feel like Nier Automata. From the hacking section. To the red girl and the ||suffering and loss||

[carmine basin]

Oh first yeah, I forgot the 2nd one exists

[strange wing]

Just wait for New Game plus for more nier story

[subtle pasture]

That disease motherfucker and ORIGINAL SIN

[brisk quail]

It was more about bringing NIER into the game... the themes, the atmosphere to entice players that say "yo that's really coool"

[carmine basin]

I guess I'll wait for weekly quests to finish to ask more questions

[brisk quail]

Cuz on that front they nailed it. Full stop

[blazing hearth]

Please tell me the weapon Zenos took was a Scythe

[strange wing]

Its [redacted]

[wet crown]

a scythe, we saw the top of it in the trailer

[brisk quail]

He took a ||weapon||

[odd yoke]

He took ||a walk||

[brisk quail]

He ||broke|| his ||sword||

[torpid yoke]

Go to a lightning rod to get rid of the thundet

[subtle pasture]

"I wonder if this has a cutscene" -swarm of people mid-cutscene-

[soft maple]

God the music in Paglthan

[dull atlas]

he took ||a chilli hotdog||

[oak pike]

shits dope right?

[blazing hearth]

https://youtu.be/YhWZYHy6st8?t=137 Where tho

[strange wing]

Man, this overmind stuff is gonna bother me for a while

[odd yoke]

He picked up ||Your mother||

[soft maple]

Fuggin sexy

[lucid geode]

nice, good for her

[blazing hearth]

@odd yoke

[strange wing]

It comes right out of nowhere and gives Gauis a potential happy ending which he doesn't really deserve. I know I should finish the questline but still.

[odd yoke]

To be fair...overSOUL and overMIND feel familiar...when we were dealing with mind and soul in msq

It feels...connected

Where's my overbody damn it

[brisk quail]

OverP||ants||

[lucid geode]

It's at the gym. You should go to the gym.

[wet crown]

oversoul fused the pilots physically into the weapon
overmind didn't do that

[subtle pasture]

Oversoul is the process by which the entity in the core merges with the pilot-- presumably, this makes said entity the "Overmind"

[strange wing]

It's the teardrop that pushes it over the edge

[brisk quail]

Overbelt

[strange wing]

It's anime, but bad anime

[brisk quail]

Also. Saw a belt drop in the new dungeon

Sad.

That's the last belt

[strange wing]

Instead of Gundum Thunderbolts, its Gundam SEED

[brisk quail]

THE FINAL BELT. DODODO DOOOO DODODODODOOOOOO

[wet crown]

does zadnor feature gear drops?

[subtle pasture]

I mean if the panel had any sort of biometrics it makes sense the Overmind reacted to a teardrop

[odd yoke]

Probably will have some armour from Castrum 2.0

[subtle pasture]

but like, Diamond has a few components to make it STRONGLY different from the other Weapons- and tbh they're not subtle about them before the story points it out

[grizzled summit]

I have a question. The repeatable quest after the nier raids that you can do weekly. What are they for? Just Gil?

[odd yoke]

Stoey

[subtle pasture]

||Familiar Male Voice||

[strange wing]

Story

[wet crown]

closure

[odd yoke]

They give messages apparently

[brisk quail]

And given it's ||Alfonse|| and can still kinda control. It'd be no suprise if it noticed and acted diffrently.

[strange wing]

Also weapons I hope. Pls giv Iron Will Taro

[grizzled summit]

So just stories stuff?

[brisk quail]

Just Emil heads. Sorry

[strange wing]

Aaaaah

[opaque hemlock]

so... what's the deal with Lunar Ravana and Lunar Odin? Players fought what looked like both in the patch trailer

[subtle pasture]

One of the first things we learned of Diamond, from the patch site iirc, was its blood red core- which already sets it apart from the metallic ooze the others seemed to be

[opaque hemlock]

but they were absent from the dungeon

[wet crown]

wait for 5.56

[odd yoke]

Probably part 2 of the story

[subtle pasture]

[forest magnet]

which makes sense because it's in Carteneau

[odd yoke]

Remember msq is split in half

[opaque hemlock]

right but will it be another dungeon?

[lapis topaz]

Probs an instance

[odd yoke]

Probably solo, we tend to have a solo instance for the ending

[late aurora]

So what you’re saying is, Diamond is a real boy

[strange wing]

Kinda just don't wanna do the MSQ till 5.5

[opaque hemlock]

the trailer shows multiple players

[forest magnet]

no it shows G'raha Tia

[strange wing]

5.55*

[opaque hemlock]

unless it was just a red herring

[subtle pasture]

The worst part of Werlyt was setting up a Zenos oversoul but Valens seems to just abandon it due to his volatilty-- which totally makes sense, really

[lapis topaz]

The trailer shows the 'trusts' with the WoL

[opaque hemlock]

aah okay

[gaunt star]

I'd say do it now. Otherwise fanfest will spoil a lot of it for you really no doubt

[brisk quail]

||towers near beast tribes, towers temper people near them. Garleans who are tempered trap beastmen of a tribe. They get taken to tower. ?????? Then it summons a fucked up version of normal primal, dubbed lunar||

[gaunt star]

More so given where they said we're going in this patch

[strange wing]

Good point. Plus it's all over the place anyway

I just want my finished relics

[brisk quail]

I NEED BOZJA 3

[lapis topaz]

Graha and Alisaie with Ravana
https://youtu.be/mB0p0UyvS-E?t=124

[subtle pasture]

and the most "asspull" part of Diamond was throwing in its "all the weapons combined" this late in the game- but that aside, the story is a vehicle for Gaius and the kids, and I'm... happy, as happy as I can be, for how the story ends.

[brisk quail]

AND BETTER AUGMENTED GEAR.

Only haste is doodoo

[lapis topaz]

Looks like we're playing as Graha in the instance going by how the camera looks?

[strange wing]

Happy is the last thing Gauis deserves

[opaque hemlock]

okay rewatched it and yeah I had mistaken the scions for player characters

[drowsy belfry]

Diamond just follows the same pattern of the 3rd trial in a Trial Series sucking

[subtle pasture]

I didn't say Gaius was happy, I said I'm happy how the story wrapped up.

[drowsy belfry]

Zurvan sucked compared to Sephirot and Sophia, Seiryu sucked compared to Byakko and Suzaku

[subtle pasture]

Gaius is very much tormented by what he's done, but I'm happy how they're addressing his "atonement"

[drowsy belfry]

Luckily the story is absolutely good tho

[strange wing]

Until he Brute Justices the weapons in 6.3

[gaunt star]

OH! I saw someone posting what seem to be a map of something? Was that Bozjan second area or something?

[subtle pasture]

the most rushed part is the Werlyt Revolutionaries' decision for a leader, but, beyond that, I've little complaints.

[strange wing]

So he can make Garlemald two

[opaque hemlock]

so looks like our last instance will be a 'boss rush' of sorts with Ifrit, Ravana, and Odin at the very least

[late aurora]

Ultimater weapon

[next oriole]

too bad they didn't make gaius repeat the famous line after laha blew up ultima in prae

[subtle pasture]

now you're just completely ignoring what he does in Werlyt

[strange wing]

Can the WoL beat 5 hearts of Sabik?

[subtle pasture]

dunno how much more they can shove in our face he's turned a new leaf,

[cinder badger]

I love that Caster set from the new dungeon!!!

[midnight forum]

I LOVED THE NIER RAID

[drowsy belfry]

I'm glad they addressed Gaius' straight up and didn't just go "Oh yeah he's good now" after the fact

[torpid yoke]

This is good. I don't have to hear more complaints about zenos for the time being

[pine epoch]

Maybe 7.0 we will get weapon ultimate. And the final phase will be a true mishmash of all the weapons

[midnight forum]

its everything I ever wanted from a yoko taro collab

[strange wing]

That queen beast is pretty rad

[subtle pasture]

If anything it's Valdeaulin forgiving him, or at least, appreciating he didn't cut Gaius down the first moment he got

[deep blade]

6.0 should be nidhogg and then omega for ultimates

[torpid yoke]

I liked seiryu

[deep blade]

just by basic timelining and (HOPEFULLY) 2 ultis an expansion, I think the weapons would be the first 8.0 ulti

[hollow vessel]

Were pretty exhausted with existing magitek from the older games yeah? Seems like the Shadowbringers patches were dedicated to getting that all through before they flipped the switch to make Garleans a demon army

[pine epoch]

Garleans are now dmc

[shadow solstice]

I like that they decided to use Tiamat's ff1 sprite color pallette. Nice call back.

[pine epoch]

The towers are now the qliphoth

[hollow vessel]

Wondering if Nerva will show up in Endwalker and what even their role would be, their name gets tossed around a shit ton for a seemingly unimportant character in light of things

[wet crown]

you mean the DnD color pallette?

[wet crown]

No.

[pine epoch]

:3

[wet crown]

I will forever hate towers

[drowsy belfry]

You don't love fleshy towers? the squelching noises as you step inside

mmhhh yumyumyum yum yum yum, can't wait for the Tower dungeon in 6.0

[royal scroll]

[drowsy belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/friends-joey-tribbiani-matt-le-blanc-cute-handsome-gif-15558427

[gaunt star]

has anyone located the ryne outfit?

[drowsy belfry]

Probably mogstation

[forest magnet]

moolahstation

[livid vault]

$$$station

[drowsy belfry]

hey man just stop buying stuff off it and they'll stop putting stuff on it

[forest magnet]

well i haven't bought anything hmph

[pine epoch]

Get the 90% that use mogstation to stop

[dry bough]

i have no creativity but someone needs to compile streamer's nier raids & put it to WE FAAAALLLLL

[foggy coyote]

Is the Fete stuff for Ishgard not until 5.55?

[pine epoch]

Hey guys look I found what the inside of the towers look like https://youtu.be/-bo1gMau8P4 /s

[late aurora]

It starts Thursday I guess

[carmine basin]

Saw schedule for it already, it's just set on certain days

[primal basalt]

there should be a timer

[slate ridge]

does estinian not know that alphinaud and alisaie are twins?

[drowsy belfry]

Go to the Firmament, and check the timer on the side of the screen

[drowsy belfry]

He does now

[maiden lodge]

He's never met Alisae.

[carmine basin]

It was very cute how G'raha nerded out meeting Estinien

[maiden lodge]

He got a TWINKLE in his eyes

[foggy coyote]

Thank you!

[slate ridge]

oh yeah, during heavensward estinien hangs out with alphinaud and alisaie isn't seen until 3.4 and the last time people saw her was in binding coil atm i think

[carmine basin]

He probably fanboyed internally when we first got to the First too

[maiden lodge]

He fanboyed Crystariumly

He didn't get twinkle eyes, he just made a city as a shrine

[carmine basin]

Was talking about when we actually got there

[gaunt star]

What happens when you destroy the debris before the pull in ||paglth’an||? Do the Amalj’aa live?

[smoky storm]

Lmao the rest of the dungeon after the first boss was ez

[primal basalt]

what even were the first boss's mechanics

[dire vector]

anyone know the name of the song that plays in the final boss of the raid?

[primal basalt]

i feel like i ate 12 vuln stacks and there was no way to avoid it

[mystic heath]

Does A2 appear?!

[gaunt star]

Just attach the Lightning AoE to one of the pillars

[foggy coyote]

There's no A2, lol

[serene crest]

Boss also drops nails. The nails explode after a bit. They’re kind of like exaflares.

[carmine basin]

Kaine (Final Fantasy Main Ver.)

[dire vector]

thanks

[torpid yoke]

@maiden lodge you haven't done the patch yet?

[maiden lodge]

Doing it right now.

https://tenor.com/view/bees-nelson-the-simpson-bee-hive-raking-gif-5473428

Estinien

[torpid yoke]

Damn

You should do nier with me later

[scenic vigil]

why didnt the werlyt storyline mention anyhting about the red g warrior at all

it just shows up during the trial, no mention or explanation before or after

[wet crown]

The trial takes place on top of G-Savior though

[static niche]

im not

sure how to feel about arenvald death flag here.

[scenic vigil]

I know, but the second platform has a red G-Savior under it, a whole second unit. it never gets a name or a mention anywhere in the story, it just shows up mid trial

[tropic frigate]

doesnt someone speak when it appears

[wet crown]

Don't worry about it. yesyes.png

[kindred marsh]

Anyone have apic on how the new relic look like?

[dull atlas]

Arenvald is safe

[forest magnet]

is it in the files? the relics?

[tropic frigate]

and they say they go back for emergency repairs

[static niche]

[dull atlas]

you dont kill characters on an infirmary

[forest magnet]

Your lie in april

[static niche]

im getting out here before more spoiler happen

[wet crown]

oh right, where are the relic glamour datamines?

[torpid yoke]

@scenic vigil go to the hanger to check it out

[dull atlas]

if he was to die, he would have died on the spot

[forest magnet]

he would've at least died in alphinaud's presence

[dull atlas]

now, what this gives is a chance for Arenvald to bone Fordola ;D

chicks dig half dying men.

[forest magnet]

He's getting extra "sleep"

[dull atlas]

He is getting Tempered by Fordola 😄

[kindred marsh]

Oh i mean new crafting relics

[dull atlas]

*wink

[torpid yoke]

Why are you like this @dull atlas

[dull atlas]

cause we need more characters getting laid.

there is a lack of boning in ff 14

[torpid yoke]

[dull atlas]

do you want everyone to be like Urianger/Moebrynda?

[carmine basin]

Maybe ppl are boning and don't talk about it because it's not our business

[dull atlas]

or Thancred/Minfillia?

[carmine basin]

They're more like siblings/family

[paper zealot]

is the cruise chaser mount a thing ingame?

[drowsy belfry]

yes

[paper zealot]

how you get it?

[drowsy belfry]

Can't get it yet

Probably Zadnor in 5.55

[dull atlas]

okay, why arent we talking about the real buff?

[paper zealot]

looks like its a 4 seat mount

[pine epoch]

It's a 2 seater

[dull atlas]

"Three stars or less: no restriction
Four stars or higher: up to two cards
Five stars: one only"

[pseudo umbra]

is there a link to datamined stuff, or nah?

[paper zealot]

ahh 2 sit

[torpid yoke]

No ew

[pseudo umbra]

just wanna look at the list of new items

[torpid yoke]

Thancred sees minfillia more like a younger sister than a lover

[wet crown]

Speaking of horny. You know who we don't have to worry about?
Aenor

[dull atlas]

the only canonically character that got it...... WITH SIBLINGS

[wet crown]

[drowsy belfry]

If you want to watch virtual characters fuck, might I introduce you to the world of eroges

[pine epoch]

Wait for garland tools to get updated the database will have all patch 5.5 content in a neat order

[dull atlas]

....no one mentioned watching them doing it. Get your mind out of the gutter.

[static niche]

sigh

[pastel coyote]

Like always Hedge you never disappoint me

[static niche]

alphinaud. alphinaud, how could you not tell the poor lad that your own sister is a twin?

[drowsy belfry]

I aim to please Saki

[torpid yoke]

Nah, play subverse

[wet crown]

Yeesh, some peope are moody

[dull atlas]

and then you speak of me.....

*staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaares

[carmine basin]

It's okay hedge

[torpid yoke]

I'm not the one pining to have ppl fck

[subtle pasture]

hm, is tiamat's dialogue the same ||when you ask about her memories||

[wet crown]

did you pick the war?

[carmine basin]

Should be the same

[subtle pasture]

I did the first option,

[plucky palm]

Zenos using a scythe was deconfirmed, right?

[autumn heron]

AY YO THAT NEW DUNGEON IS THE SHIT

[wet crown]

war was second

[subtle pasture]

yeah, figured, seemed to hit both topics.

[wet crown]

no

[drowsy belfry]

oh that reminds me

[subtle pasture]

Meracydia history lesson

[turbid bough]

There's different dialogue if you have done Binding Coils when talking to Tiamat

[carmine basin]

We're not shown his weapon so no

[drowsy belfry]

CENTAUR RACE YEAAAAAH

Haven't seen those fuckos since 3.4

[plucky palm]

When he grabbed his weapon the sound effect didn't sound like a scythe

[carmine basin]

For that node part, I picked my WoL's name. Gonna try the other two options to see the responses later

[subtle pasture]

t-they befriended Sephirot's worshippers

[turbid bough]

They were in the Twinning

[drowsy belfry]

Oh man haha my b

[subtle pasture]

Hedge did you go first or second option,

[turbid bough]

Yeah, the Twinning had a lot of allagan stuff in it

[carmine basin]

Also like how the node is like "i'll allow you and your small elezen companion to use the terminal, but not the tall elezen bc he's scary"

[subtle pasture]

I doubt the history lesson is diff between 'em, but just checkin'

[carmine basin]

Estinien continues to be bad at technology

[drowsy belfry]

2nd, I felt kinda BM to just go directly "hey tell me about YOUR DEAD HUSBAND"

[subtle pasture]

I wanted her to name drop the Ascian that told her to summon him >:(

--seems to be the same, then.

[pastel coyote]

So you are a scythe expert ?

[carmine basin]

That's assuming the ascian told her their name tho

[plucky palm]

It sounds more like a sword

[sly bluff]

might be lahabread

[torpid yoke]

Won't know till fanfest

[scenic vigil]

how?

[subtle pasture]

I went first option bc I didn't wanna immediately jump to Bad Times w/ the war, also MERACYDIA HISTORY LESSON WOOOO

[carmine basin]

And I would figure she would remember the exact ascian that made her do it, considering how bad dragons' grudges are

[fierce vigil]

That was... disappointing.

[drowsy belfry]

I do like me some Meracydia looooore

[subtle pasture]

I can't believe that hairstyle is form the 2nd Astral

[carmine basin]

This makes me more positive Meracydia is the 6.1 content

[drowsy belfry]

That'd be kinda cooooool

[sly bluff]

instead of goiing to the moon we go to meracydia

[torpid yoke]

Terncliff and then talk to the Iron works guy by the entrance

[wet crown]

7.0, you mean

[carmine basin]

Also Sharlayan more likely now?

[earnest sedge]

Wat Diaex drop?

[torpid yoke]

Fck yea

[subtle pasture]

I was really hoping it'd be you typical exhaustive dialogue tree and she'd hit point A then point B, but she does cover both, 'least

[earnest sedge]

Weepon?

[drowsy belfry]

Until it's confirmed I still can't say for certain, BUUUUUUUUUT I stand corrected on Sharalyan not being relevant for 6.0

[subtle pasture]

Weapons, faded copy of the music roll, a crafting mat, mount, card-- the usual

[carmine basin]

Weapon, mount, orchestrion roll to craft, and mats for barding (and potential glowy wep)

[torpid yoke]

They probably reused the katana animation from earlier of that cutscene

[earnest sedge]

Oh kks cheers

[gaunt star]

I'm just gonna start playing today, is paladin gonna be good in 5.5?

[carmine basin]

They could always throw a curveball and have Krile come back with a Sharlayan representative to help us

[crystal arrow]

tbh I was expecting sharlayan but i definitely think we're getting it now

[drowsy belfry]

Uuuuh I mean, I guess? It's gonna be as good as it was in 5.4

[carmine basin]

Sharalayan the new Garlemald tease

[subtle pasture]

||Namely that Tiamat shows no signs of fanatical devotion, suggesting a milder case of tempering than that suffered by the kobolds.
Hmm... Tiamat saw Bahamut as an equal rather than a god. Might that have made a difference?||

[sly bluff]

And how would a scythe sound like?

[subtle pasture]

also this is fucking huge,

[wet crown]

Yupp. Cognition can influence tempering.

[carmine basin]

Also I brought it up earlier but no response, the Tiamat thing confirms Emet is tempered right? Because I remember people arguing he didn't even though he said so

[magic holly]

like when Greg summoned Enkidu

[carmine basin]

Since Tiamat shows tempered ppl can still have strong will

[subtle pasture]

he flat out says so, but the "viewing the object of devotion as an equal" was a p big drop on it

[wet crown]

Of course was Emet-Selch tempered.

[torpid yoke]

Battle of wills but with dragons???

[pine epoch]

You know what I found funny in this. ||this makes me believe that since tiamat wasn't blinded to serve bahamut the initial summoning. And her fearing she would lose herself is she had to fight lunar bahamut made it sound like her immune system was damaged. And we gave her drugs in the form if a pig to fix it||

[glacial vapor]

Anybody knows where to get the Resshi Haori set?

[crystal arrow]

This line was also a https://imgur.com/7mK1BSv

[wet crown]

...Why?

[subtle pasture]

Thus, the Convocation was not fanatically devout to Zodiark, due to an equal-- nay, their little brother was the Heart, but it did temper them from going against him

[torpid yoke]

Yea why

[wet crown]

That's nothing we didn't know before.

[crystal arrow]

I don't think we ever learned that Hydaelyn granted the dragons sanctuary, which suggests they were not allied with her or associated with her before

[wet crown]

Yes, we did.

[carmine basin]

She did, we learned either in Omega or some dialogues with Middy

[torpid yoke]

Midhardsormr

[maiden lodge]

We totes did

[carmine basin]

That's why Middy agreed to guard Silvertear lake, in exchange for being given sanctuary by Hydaelyn

[subtle pasture]

if anything it presents sorta...

[serene crest]

Middy mentions their pact when we first meet him but his speech is super old so it's hard to catch.

[subtle pasture]

Like, it's not like hydaelyn had much choice, did she?

[torpid yoke]

Granted I don't think hydaelyn could contend with middy and his first brood anymore

So if they wanted they probably could like take over XD

[subtle pasture]

Middy flew across the cosmos and ended up there, "Hydaelyn granted us sanctuary when our star was under siege" presents he was guided to her,

which I do think is kinda new.

[carmine basin]

Idk the dragons seem like a passive bunch, don't mess with them and they won't mess with you

[pine epoch]

Their bees

[carmine basin]

Was Bahamut being the leader in Meracydia known before also

[maiden lodge]

PAPASHAN

This is now best patch

[crystal arrow]

Yeah, that's sorta what I was trying to say, I guess - we hadn't heard it that way before

[subtle pasture]

||Tiamat talking of putting down her children who were made into chimera ||

Hydras, man, hydras are fucked.

[carmine basin]

Her dialogue in the dungeon is pretty sad too

"My babies..."

[gentle temple]

||consider a pig a dragon-sized pill pocket||

[subtle pasture]

almost to the dungeon now- to Trust or not to Trust

[carmine basin]

Do trust so you can examine the area in leisure

[odd yoke]

I always like trusts the first time around

[subtle pasture]

--someone here with a wind-up dalamud how dare

[boreal jay]

Does anyone have the tank chest piece from the new Nier raid? Really wanna see what it looks like ; w;

[serene crest]

Make a greatporxie for Tiamat

[tropic frigate]

GET UP ON THE HYDRAS BACK

[carmine basin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/657413970214256662/831596537427525672/2021-04-14_02-27-16-087_Talim_-_Overdramatic.png

Not mine btw

[sly bluff]

Can you use Rynne on Paglth'an tho?

[boreal jay]

Thank you so much!!

[odd yoke]

No

[boreal jay]

Do you have the healer piece pic by any chance?

[carmine basin]

I think in avatar mode it's possible

[carmine basin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/657413970214256662/831595183106818108/2021-04-14_02-19-57-882_Talim_-_Focus.png

Yeah all trusts are usable in avatar mode. But for scenario it depends on who's available for the section

My auto complete keeps changing available to availability

[static niche]

i can't get over the meme of using alphinaud/estinien's name for the node xd

[carmine basin]

I didn't pick those options, gonna check the journey for the result

[static niche]

you can pick one. decline the quest then do it again

[terse cargo]

are they similar responses? i picked alphinaud for the node this morning

[static niche]

more or less

estinien says very funny but if he hear the ball says his name once he's smashing it apart so use your own.

[rustic heath]

i really love crying after the end of all the diamond weapon cutscenes

[static niche]

i have to do emerald before that but ilv sucks 😄

[carmine basin]

Can't buy exarchic/ask a friend to craft it?

[dire vector]

aw man
the female striking set doesnt have all the chest pouches
sad

[carmine basin]

Even augmented crystarium gear from last tier is enough I think

[pine epoch]

What's landerwhaffe name based on

[terse cargo]

just finished the neir raid proper to unlock the weeklys,almost hope that this isnt going to be "too long" of a weekly chain just to end the story as a whole

[pine epoch]

Landerwhaffe is the dragon reward for all gwibers

[carmine basin]

It's gonna be like beast tribe where it's a month long /s

[torpid yoke]

Bless you

[terse cargo]

@carmine basin i mean at least its a weekly and at best this first 1 took me like 5 mins,granted said 5mins was running to the second area of the factory so i cant complain....much at least not yet lol

[carmine basin]

Iirc patch notes showed 3 quests? Not sure

[misty yoke]

Hey what does synthetic auracite do exactly it seems like some over powered piece of garlean fuckery

[torpid yoke]

You know soul crystals?

[misty yoke]

Oh right the things that allow us to become advanced jobs like LNC >> DRG

[pastel coyote]

Damn the amalj'aa set.... didn't think i will throw my shadowless and cryptlurker glam that fast

[placid sail]

ayy I'm caught up I can visit this place again

what's up nerds

[maiden lodge]

I love the new dungeon

[dim sigil]

Who isthe red girl

[cinder badger]

I hate Square Enix right now

What an absolute cocktease.... I knew it was coming too but I kept hoping we'd see what weapon Zenos would draw....

[unborn lantern]

seems we need gaius ultima for the lunar primals ;3

[thick tangle]

Where’s a good place to see the datamined stuff this patch? Curious to see if there’s anything for the second part of 5.5 in there

[pastel coyote]

nah

If we get something about 5.55 we will already know zenos weapon

[forest magnet]

we definitely will since fanfest is before then and they're revealing the last job

[unborn lantern]

Zenos weapon? Pfft. Of course it's going to be a scythe.

[pastel coyote]

Even if we know it's a scythe

[unborn lantern]

Whats more edgier than a scythe

Zenos is edgy

[forest magnet]

mascara

[maiden lodge]

So

Telotherium

[unborn lantern]

For all we know, fandaniel is his weapon

[misty yoke]

Zenos is gonna become a necromancer at this point

[maiden lodge]

Telo- seems a newfangled version of Terminus (They both mean the same thing)

[misty yoke]

The edge is played up this time

[maiden lodge]

Therium has the same root as Therion

[slate badger]

nier raid last boss had me in tears

[forest magnet]

Telophori seems to be the catch all name for beasts Fandaniel is raising. not the group Fandaniel is a part of. Which concludes that Fandaniel is not acting under any higher power.

[misty yoke]

Btw whats the point in fandango building a tower in garlemald if they dont summon eikons

[pastel coyote]

huh

[forest magnet]

who knows

[subtle pasture]

"maybe the 2nd boss is in the imperial blockade," I said,

[thick tangle]

We don’t know yet, presumably it’s gonna be used for something nasty

[subtle pasture]

||turns out the blockade is the 2nd boss||

[forest magnet]

Anyways we are 4/4 for the final dungeon of an expansion having a garlean presence.

[misty yoke]

Open world shitpit garlemald lets go

[forest magnet]

i mean we're gonna need an army of porxies once the dust settles if we want to untemper the garleans

[thick tangle]

Can’t wait to do a couple of quests and a fate there and never go back after 10 years wait lols

[maiden lodge]

Broke: Summoning eikons
Woke: Just temper them and build towers.

[cinder badger]

As he started walking through all the weapons towards his choice I kept staring intensely at the screen just repeating "show it" over and over and then when it's cut to Black I went to the silent rage

[pastel coyote]

We "know" that garlemald is tempered and i wouldn't be surprised if they serve as food for zenos at some point

[torpid yoke]

Link up and control any tower he wants?

[forest magnet]

Also Sharlayan has basically been confirmed to be the new city state right

[unborn lantern]

Whats ardvert's power again?

[forest magnet]

he has echo that's it

[severe brook]

i will point out that the Big Tower in Garlemald proper hasn't shown up yet. As the Palace is still the Palace currently.

[misty yoke]

The true chad play

[cinder badger]

Estinien is going to sacrifice himself

[unborn lantern]

Oh.. so he is useless.

[torpid yoke]

It's always garleans

[forest magnet]

yup Alphinaud's gonna find a bigger brother in anyone and everyone he can find though

[maiden lodge]

Yes, as useless as a trained warrior who is immune to primals is in Eorzea

[gentle temple]

So how far into the new quests are the new dungeon and the trial? Trying to decide what to do first but I've got limited time right now

[misty yoke]

Thats probably what it implies but the towers are capable of summoning eikons with little effort

[maiden lodge]

So... you know... the opposite of useless.

[crystal arrow]

p much yeah lol

[forest magnet]

dungeon is towards the end. trial doesn't have too many quests before it

[maiden lodge]

Paglthan's pretty quick

[misty yoke]

So i was wondering how does garlemald armymen play into summoning an eikon

[unborn lantern]

Should have sent me instead. I'd finish that lunar ifrit.

[forest magnet]

yeah why didn't they send us

[misty yoke]

We were busy dealing with bahamuts edgy phase

[severe brook]

plot

[hardy meadow]

cool we probs going to Sharlayan

[maiden lodge]

Because we're busy doing that whole getting Tiamat on board thing

[gentle temple]

Thanks. I wanna get as much unlocked as possible first and then finish up later XD

[forest magnet]

meet the twins' deadbeat dad

[crystal arrow]

not even that, why weren't we just like "yo tiamat some of our friends are in the tower can u fly me over there so we can get them out or see if they need help"

[cinder badger]

Yoshida is the world's biggest troll

[unborn lantern]

Call other warrior of lights. Since we can do that and split up.

[subtle pasture]

this dungeon is basically Amaurot, isn't it.

[severe brook]

Sharlayan feels likely, but it could be a bait and switch
like Zenos in Diamond was

[gentle temple]

So I don't end up having to rush later if someone wants to do something I haven't unlocked.

[unborn lantern]

[subtle pasture]

the way it's structured, the beast from a far off land, a bellwether and its agents, a riddle.

[thick tangle]

Wtf was that, diamond was so underwhelming lol

[cinder badger]

He knew people were excited and wanted to see what weapon Zeno's would pick but then he's like " no"

[misty yoke]

Not all of them met with tiamat and met her with middy either

[forest magnet]

Diamond Weapon sucked

[maiden lodge]

mmmmmhmmmmmmm

[hardy meadow]

But like Sharlayan goes with Sage

[maiden lodge]

A beast, a belwether, and 'our own sins'

[pastel coyote]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[torpid yoke]

It feels different though

[cinder badger]

So I'm just going to say it right now. Zenos' new weapon is a pool noodle

[misty yoke]

Microwave

[forest magnet]

Like visually the fight isn't anything special. Soken phoned it in with the soundtrack. And there's no 2nd phase/phase transition.

[thick tangle]

Seriously it just... dropped out of the sky and done

[severe brook]

Like Dancer goes with Thavnair. Which is coming out the next expansion

[misty yoke]

You’re wrong... its a blitzball

[cinder badger]

@misty yoke screw Blitzball

[gentle temple]

Honestly I don't really care for the weapon fights at all.
I'm enjoying the quests for the lore and Gaius screen time, but they're not gonna be fights I come back to just for fun.

[misty yoke]

[forest magnet]

monk went with ala mhigo which didn't come out for 4 years and even then it really didn't

[unborn lantern]

In conclusion. 5.5 patch suck?

[subtle pasture]

Diamond did too much off screen I'd say is the issue. And glorious as the cutscenes after Cloud Deck are, it doesn't exactly make up for all the "yeah X happened, take our word for it" beforehand

[pastel coyote]

no ?

[torpid yoke]

There's no thavnair in the first though. We went to bozja though which is gnb

[forest magnet]

msq is fine, nier story sucked. diamond weapon fight sucked

[severe brook]

i liked the narrative of Diamond even if the fight was a bit underwhelming
and the MSQ was cool

[misty yoke]

I wouldnt say it sucks

[thick tangle]

I think spreading it out to 5.55 doesn’t do any favours, already done most of the content within a few hours

[unborn lantern]

I mean.. Enix gotta run out of ideas

[subtle pasture]

Werlyt itself had too much off screen, throwing the Revolutionaries and their new chosen leader in our face too

[thick tangle]

But didn’t suck

[severe brook]

for sake of contrarianism, i will stick to my "Northern Empty with Sharlayan for 7.0" theory.

[slate badger]

i wish they foreshadowed the overmind bit some more

[quartz charm]

im fuming at these options

[misty yoke]

It dropped the ball with diamond ig and with nier... i have no clue what happened in there

[forest magnet]

i mean this is kinda dumb since there's plenty of things you can do with the game combat wise as evidenced by the nier raids

[cinder badger]

They didn't bait-and-switch in stormblood we got Samurai for Hingashi and Red Mage for Gyr Abania

[subtle pasture]

the shot of Alfonse seeing his siblings in his eyes was foreshadowing a hell of a lot

[thick tangle]

Nier was just odd, I’m all for crazy taro story but can it actually.. have a story? What even happened lol

[subtle pasture]

not the overmind, itself, ofc, but, Alfonse.

[severe brook]

also the consistent issues they had with Oversoul

[forest magnet]

Another reminder: There was literally 0 hints that Dancer and Gunbreaker would be coming in Stormblood.

[hardy meadow]

Shadowbringers has had a lot of story issues after 5.0 i found

[unborn lantern]

Shadowbringer is too long. End it.

[torpid yoke]

No one was talking about that fact though?

[subtle pasture]

even the teardrop bit, bullshit as it was, was foreshadowed with that dman shot of Alfonse thinking of his siblings in his eyes.

[severe brook]

i mean 5.3 was solid.

[misty yoke]

Big bad lady but you gotta play drakengard then nier and nier automata to know

[forest magnet]

Bro this is the last patch.

[unborn lantern]

SHOULD BE!

[misty yoke]

It is

[torpid yoke]

Shb is about the same length as previous expansions

[pastel coyote]

Nier raid was fine but..... well it feel like yoko Taro wasn't behind, i mean nothing disturbing happen

[misty yoke]

It’s getting a second part anywaus

[severe brook]

ShB feels longer on account of us going through our own nigh-apocalypse

[subtle pasture]

I remember gushing over the technical aspects of adding the image of his family on his eye when he's locked in his cell at the end of Emerald's quest-- but damn, it really played into a lot here

[thick tangle]

I think SHB patch core story was good, found nier/Eden and weapons underwhelming compared to Ivalice/omega etc

[forest magnet]

5.3 msq was also the longest story patch ever barring 2.5

[severe brook]

i liked Werlyt and Eden quite a bit, Nier is...okay, at the end of it all

[hardy meadow]

core story was solid, but a lot of the dungeons have also been blegh.

[wet crown]

Been thinking. What if some of the crazy shit is happening because a seed of destruction obtained Accord's data?

[forest magnet]

Werylt is great storywise. Much better than 4 lords.

[misty yoke]

Werlyt ended off nicely

[wet crown]

It would perfectly explain why the seed can construct androids and machines

[cinder badger]

New weapon is a flail

[crystal arrow]

it's on par with four lords imo, werlyt feels more... connected to the msq

[misty yoke]

I’m glad we got good closure even if the diamond weapon was a bit lacklustre

[torpid yoke]

Well accord might be in replicant so maybe?

[hardy meadow]

No way would we have another job use shields

[severe brook]

i kind of wish the duel between Gaius and Valens went on a little bit longer but it's also fitting that Valens can't actually fight for shit and was only able to "MY WORD THIS DATA" out of it once

[thick tangle]

I’m hoping the last part of the gunnhildr stuff is a good send off for the last of the old garlean empire, then be done with it

[forest magnet]

4 lords ending was kinda mediocre

[wet crown]

I feel like the weapon trials got worse with each release

[hardy meadow]

or would it just be the flail?

[pastel coyote]

People are just salty that they couldn't fight hua long

[forest magnet]

imo both Emerald and Ruby were good. Ruby had extra shock value but fight wise i'd put them around the same

[dull jolt]

Oof the game FPS does tank after going 4k

[wet crown]

Ruby was AMAZING. Sapphire, pretty cool. Emerald was alright. But Diamond was meh.

[misty yoke]

I’d say it peaked at emerald

[forest magnet]

I mean there's only 3 fights so

[slate badger]

gotta wonder about the g-warrior solo duty

surely they didn't make all that only to use it once?

[thick tangle]

Ruby was definitely way more impressive to look at, comparing it to diamond is a little sad

[misty yoke]

They used it for diamond

[terse cargo]

@slate badger gwarrior is part of the diamond fight,you'll find out how exactly when u do it

[hardy meadow]

i mean we literally going to the moon, we could have moon g-warrior fights

[thick tangle]

With dalamud dropping, nael coming out

[severe brook]

my thought process is they put a lot of effort into G-Warrior as practice for further solo instances, in addition to other stuff

[cinder badger]

Also we are about to find out that Hydaelyn is just a bitch...

[slate badger]

i did the diamond fight

[unborn lantern]

Nah, Hydaelyn wouldn't save the First if she was.

[cinder badger]

She hasn't contacted us since the end of Heavensward

[dull atlas]

Finished tower

[thick tangle]

“Yo has anyone noticed she’s said literally nothing in 6 years?” “Uh...no”

[misty yoke]

Hydaelyn really ditched us

[dull atlas]

Okay, who the fuck disliked this? Tower raid was amazing.

[unborn lantern]

Hydaelyn is dead

Zodiark is now imposing as Hydaelyn

[forest magnet]

story was not good

[unborn lantern]

[torpid yoke]

Unsundered would have said something if so

[dull atlas]

Oh shush.

[hardy meadow]

that's been what i feeling

[pine epoch]

Believed to have been absorbed into the Diamond Weapon, this plate-clad being answers the call of a horn imbued with the power of an unknown primal, the summoner of whom is believed to have been a member of the Corvosian resistance. - Diamond Gwibber

[forest magnet]

Also they're totally revisiting the "hydaelyn evil" theory with that last note.

[dull atlas]

It's basically Nier.

[pine epoch]

So the final Primal that was absorbed in the weapons quest was from Corvos.

[torpid yoke]

Plus no blessing of light if so

[misty yoke]

We technically got the blessing

[unborn lantern]

Hydaelyn might be an anti-hero doing what she must because of her nature.

[cinder badger]

I mean she clearly doesn't care all that much.... it's not like she directly intervened with anything that happened after heavensward

[hardy meadow]

what if the blessing of light is separate from Hydaelyn?

[unborn lantern]

IN light, there must be darkness, in darkness there must be light.

[cinder badger]

She helped us in A Realm Reborn and she helped us in heavensward kind of and then she was just like okay screw you I'm going home

[misty yoke]

Her main goal is just to stop zodiark from being reborn

[thick tangle]

Isn’t that her thing? The echo is separate but pretty sure that was hers as per midgardsomr

[unborn lantern]

With zodiark dead, hydaelyn will fill the world with light.

[misty yoke]

Thats all her purpose is as well as to keep the worlds sundered

[hardy meadow]

I wonder how the traveler is going to fit into this

[tight marlin]

Hydaelyn will be in 6.0 to foot dive us as Zodiark fights back with a gun

[cinder badger]

@hardy meadow Azem?

[unborn lantern]

We technically fought Hydaelyn during eden shiva.

[hardy meadow]

ye since the story continues after 6.0 with a separate story they still have to been connected