retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[maiden lodge]

'has no identity' is a really hot take.

[drowsy ivy]

I see the point you want to make.

I can't help but think The only people who might think that are people who haven't done proper research into this. That's more a fault on the community than the jobs.

[deft burrow]

People don't like Scholar because it needs to put in much more work to get the same healing out as a WHM or AST

[cinder thunder]

It used to be the DoT focused healer with more fluid pet actions, now it's kinda just WHM with a pet

[deft burrow]

Because its designed differently and is unique.

[maiden lodge]

Community perception is a key part of job reception. If the community thinks a job is bad, that job's experience will become worse. They do care about this. it does trickle down.

[proper frigate]

Scholar actually requires brain power to use at max potential cause shields, whm just unga-bungas with Medica/II

People don't like thinking.

[oak pike]

the only reason why i thought SCH was bad at first is people meme'ed that its bad

[deft burrow]

Most people would prefer solid heals over shields and worse healing.

[maiden lodge]

Shield healing is not the thing you think it is. And SCH's ogcd kit has zero shields.

[cinder thunder]

I don't feel like SCH requires much brain power, lol. The only thing it has to do is unlock the oGCDs everyone else has with Aetherflow and then spam Broil/Ruin/maybe sometimes use Dissipation/prioritize fairy healing before Aetherflow.

[pulsar yacht]

I shit on sch because i had the least fun playing it when leveling. I get of course that other people are probably perfectly fine with sch but my impression remains it's shit at how i play healing

[deft burrow]

The split of barrier healers and true healers is gonna be interesting to see

[cinder thunder]

I'm not very hopeful about the healer "split", I'm sure we'll still be seeing 80% of our casts be the 1 damage spell we have.

[oak pike]

raids gonna have damage output of e12s now

[gaunt star]

i dont play healer but in shadowbringers they took all the fun out of mch and butchered it

[maiden lodge]

See, as it stands, your 'barrier healers' are WHM and Diurnal Ast, and your 'regen healer' is SCH.

[oak pike]

what

[cinder thunder]

lol

[maiden lodge]

Just think about that for a bit, it makes sense.

[cinder thunder]

The distinction isn't regen vs barrier, it's Raw vs Barrier, aka stuff like Earthly Star and Media vs Succor and Seraph

[drowsy ivy]

Wildfire tick farming was bullshit

[maiden lodge]

WHM doesn't really regen any more, do they? AST doesn't really Aspected Bene that much. SCH's use of Adlo is mostly to spread it for big mechanics.

MOST of your shielding is Divine Benison or Diurnal CI--most of your regen is Lily-chan, Whispering Dawn, Asylum (WHM's only ogcd regen), Sacred Ground, or Noct CI.

[obsidian gate]

wat is this

[maiden lodge]

When the meta is 'casts are your last resort', the casts are not what define a healing style, fam.

[pulsar yacht]

I only really do regen for low priority spot healing or with single shield to reduce autos after a buster

[maiden lodge]

And yeah, SCH has Seraph for barriers, I did neglect that

[pulsar yacht]

Since gcd will roll for shield anyways

[tame dragon]

Only because they buffed Broil and Biolysis potency. AST/WHM had the highest combined healer rDPS in Verse at the 99th percentile

[cinder thunder]

What really needs to happen is everyone having Spells with some Pure and some Shielding capability so that the group isn't completely fucked if one type of healer dies, and make the oGCD kits the specialized versions of Pure (WHM AST) or Shield (SCH SGE). And also give each healer 6 button DPS rotations that are -DIFFERENT-, and -FEED INTO THE HEALING-.

[maiden lodge]

No, it wasn't. Not always. I've been using that data to make this point since then. And pointing to a singular data point isn't actually a valid argument in statistics. Instead, you could have looked at proportional representation in the top 100, where you would have seen WHM underrepresented, SCH overrepresented. (in proportion to the number of data points)

[tame dragon]

https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/33#class=Healers&metric=healercombineddps&dataset=99&aggregate=amount

[gaunt star]

if you want lots of dps skills why not just play dps instead of healer?

[polar star]

Have we gotten leaks yet?

[rain onyx]

none that i know of

[light pendant]

Yeah I don't want a ton of dps spells as a healer.

[maiden lodge]

You're pointing to a singular point in time. AST/WHM and AST/SCH had swapped the top spot multiple times during that time.

[cinder thunder]

This game is never, ever going to give healers in normal content much to heal. So they should have non-babyproof/mind numbing DPS rotations that are still very small.

[polar star]

savage doesn't have that much healing so

[cinder thunder]

Yeah, that too.

[polar star]

the only fights that are CONSISTENTLY hard to heal are ultimates...but they eventually get fucked by level sync

[maiden lodge]

I agree. The answer for WHM is to make Afflatus DPS-positive to lean into that 'baby's first healer identity', while giving AST and SCH other dps tools (not dots, to reward their oGCD lifestyle) such as procs or things that change their rotation up.

[gaunt star]

i think the problem is the more dps you give to healers the more likely casual healers will get flamed in df over their dps.i mean its why they dumbded down healer dps in first place.they even said that

[pulsar yacht]

I'll probably skip datamining this time around becuase of bad sleep scheduling :|

[polar star]

Afflatus should not be a dps gain. That's just bad balance.

[maiden lodge]

It's not about giving healers 'more dps' because they already contribute where they should. It's making their rotation more than two buttons.

[polar star]

Astro?

[oak pike]

dps neutral not a gain or a loss

[cinder thunder]

The reward doesn't need to be massive. It could be as simple as WHM having DPS neutral/positive afflatus, Sage having a 123 124 combo system, SCH having 3 dots and a fester, AST having cards. It feeds into their identities and helps everyone.

[maiden lodge]

No, I mean -gain-.

[polar star]

he said he wanted afflatus to be dps POSITIVE

[oak pike]

oh missed that message

[gaunt star]

problem is when you give noob healers too many dps buttons to press tanks die

[polar star]

which is stupid as all hell

[cinder thunder]

Tanks die even if the healers aren't DPSing. Afks will stay afk.

[maiden lodge]

IF they are going to have a castrated oGCD kit, then they need a GCD healing kit that compensates. Otherwise you do NOT have balance.

[echo orbit]

i dunno, doesn't that mean you won't cap lilies then?

[light pendant]

WHM already has too many abilities, you couldn't even fit more dps abilities on their bars

[echo orbit]

not like it'll change the style of whm much other than when at 2 use a lily no matter what

[maiden lodge]

Stupid is giving AST 3 aoe ogcd heals to WHM's 1.

[deft burrow]

I'm interested in how they are going to change all the classes with the 80->90 skills. The classes all feel pretty nice to play and flow well... with some exceptions of course.

[echo orbit]

actually if lily is dps gain lily become weaving tool

[polar star]

Lilies should be used smartly so they don't end up as dps losses. Just being able to press afflatus and gain dps makes whm even more braindead than it is and all optimization goes basically out the window

[gaunt star]

there will be a lot more of it when non healers pick up the level 70 sage in df xd

[cinder thunder]

That's just bad players being bad.

[maiden lodge]

So either they give WHM more ogcd healing, OR, they actually change its model such that they get dps for using healing, which makes Afflatus their 'DPS rotation' and let's them use it productively and leans into the identity of 'I protecc but I also attak' that they have from Assize.

[maiden lodge]

The smart way to use lilies now is NOT to, on single targets.

[polar star]

Idk if you even have whm leveled tbh

[obsidian gate]

sounds like not tbh

[maiden lodge]

I have all the battle jobs to 80, nice try guy.

[cinder thunder]

Healers want to have fun playing the game too, but clearly the devs want completely babyproof kits for them since I guess the devs died a lot and didn't like that? So give them slightly more complex DPS than "Glare until you shit yourself"

[deft burrow]

Cleric stance

[maiden lodge]

Cleric stance was bad.

[deft burrow]

Yeah but that's the thing

[cinder thunder]

Sage might have a cleric stance of its own.

[polar star]

Yeah your opinions are shit and I'm just gonna dip because you know nothing about playing whm in content higher than dungeons.

[deft burrow]

Healers complained about it and then healers were streamlined

[light pendant]

What's with calling people babies?

[echo hinge]

And what does any of this have to do with patch 5.5 spoilers

[oak pike]

well damn wol lmao

[maiden lodge]

'I haven't provided a counterargument but you're wrong because of reasons I won't dare post and I'll just post my assertions as facts without an argument to back them up' like... who are you again?

[deft burrow]

So why would 14 ever want to add more complexity to healers if it was rejected before, they don't want to take risks with healers.

[echo orbit]

pfft, high end whm content is asylum healing baby

[subtle pasture]

Anyways

[deft burrow]

That's what it seems like anyway. They could do so much with healers.

[maiden lodge]

There's an argument they went too far in the other direction.

[polar star]

and who are you again? I'd like to know.

[echo orbit]

no lily, no gcd, unless you have to move and to complete the blood lily because you moved

[gaunt star]

more likely the game so popular they now the average player skill has declined and changed it based on that

[cinder thunder]

I mean, if they don't wanna take risks with healers, I doubt the healer population's gonna improve. Just wait until Sage is "WHM #4" and spends 80% of the fight spamming (Sage Glare)

[polar star]

If using a lily will allow you to not lose a GCD and also heal the party efficiently, it is a dps gain.

[viral dew]

[oak pike]

hi cleave

[polar star]

It can also be used for weaving slots if it's not going to overheal.

[prisma spade]

[oak pike]

hi yen

[prisma spade]

hewwo

[viral dew]

who we murderin yen?

[light pendant]

Is healer population bad? It seems to be fine.

[viral dew]

we need a sacrifice for 5.5

[pulsar yacht]

hewwo

[maiden lodge]

Healer population's always gonna be low.

[ivory wolf]

^

[deft burrow]

Its just how it works

[cinder thunder]

I dunno, I seem to get insta queues for every roulette as a healer, used to be tanks who got that

[maiden lodge]

Always has been, people don't like babysitting health bars.

[gaunt star]

its only bad if you main dps.if you're a tank there's no issues xd

[vital brook]

I dont like healing, but it's what i have the most affinity to do

[cinder thunder]

Also usually waiting on a cohealer for random stuff in PF

[echo orbit]

itt: dps players complaining about healers not being dps enough

[prisma spade]

can't we just delete #archived-lore-spoilers

[light pendant]

Except for leveling I rarely get instant queues. Short queues but not instant.

[subtle pasture]

haha whm go brrr

[viral dew]

yes plz.

[maiden lodge]

No... no one's complaining about that.

[polar star]

"Healer population is always going to be low." Last I checked, WHM has the most parses out of any job this tier.

[maiden lodge]

Actually, Keisero is a healer main. I used to be a healer main.

[gaunt star]

sage will boost numbers for better or for worse anyway

[vital brook]

Im a healer player and i complain about that

[subtle pasture]

Parse count isn't really reflecting population though

[cinder thunder]

I used to main AST but then the Gambler and Time Mage aspects were removed so I lost interest in it

[echo orbit]

"So give them slightly more complex DPS than "Glare until you shit yourself""

[maiden lodge]

yeah, i wonder why healers have exactly 25% of all parse representation in standardized parses.

tanks do too

[subtle pasture]

esp considering every standard parse will have 2 diff healers, there's higher odds of it being WHM.

[echo orbit]

[viral dew]

it does correlate with it a bit though

[vital brook]

Nah, lmao, if you do that, it would be bad, but also good, cuz now i have an actual excuse to not heal the baddies

[polar star]

you know 10/17 jobs are dps jobs right?

[maiden lodge]

Standardized parsing enforces two healers, so yeah, every group has two healers. And WHM is the most popular of the healers, sooooooo

[vital brook]

Y'know parties are 2-2-4 right?

[cinder thunder]

Good grief

[subtle pasture]

and every standard parse will have 2 of 4 tanks, 2 of 3 healers, and 4 of 10 dps

[polar star]

sorry, I run double PLD and double WHM

[gaunt star]

i will admit a lot of df runs ill give the whm dragon eye because its a dps gain over the other dps

[elfin skiff]

lol?

[deft burrow]

Here's how you end this argument of healer population. Queue as a dps, queue as a tank, queue as a healer. I bet its gonna be Healer queues first, then tank, then dps in a 4 person dungeon queue.

[polar star]

this is so incredibly wrong it's not even funny

[viral dew]

what if you see a DPS with like 30k less HP than the tank?

[maiden lodge]

Yes, which reduces the average representation of each individual job in a collection of parses that forces 25% of all players to come from a pool of 3 jobs, 25% of all players to come from a pool of 4, and 50% to come from a pool of 10.

Here, add up the total tanks and total healers and see what you come to.

[cinder thunder]

I mean, I tend to outdamage actual DPS as WHM in AoE situations

[polar star]

He didn't specify dungeons.

[deft burrow]

That's irrelevant

[cinder thunder]

Df runs ;o

[formal niche]

[elfin skiff]

lol?

[maiden lodge]

The last time I did a dungeon, if I were DRG, I would have sighted the tank. Without hesitation

[tropic frigate]

we have many buttons for heals but they are not used enough compared to our dps button

[deft burrow]

The point is that there are less healers than tanks and dps players

[gaunt star]

it happend few times in the edens

[tropic frigate]

it is bad design for enjoyment

[polar star]

It's been more than a few months since I've done a dungeon

er, more than a few weeks.

[cinder thunder]

Sed's right, the proportion of skills we have vs skills we actively use is WAY out of whack

[echo orbit]

i dunno ast is in a good place for that

[polar star]

I haven't bothered capping tomes for a long time since I've been bis for like 2 months now

[vital brook]

Benediction is just a "Oh, WAR/GNB/DRK used Invuln, time to press you buddy"

[deft burrow]

Give healers damage spells that grant access to instant cast heals or have healing secondary effects while keeping ogcd heals.

[tropic frigate]

ast is kinda good yes

[elfin skiff]

AST buttons all get used regularly, WHM not so much in an optimized party

[maiden lodge]

"never tether a tank or healer in dungeons"

In dungeons:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/226353385706618880/830583738538655755/unknown.png

[echo orbit]

granted ast is in a good place for that because it's ogcd and it has innate weaving dps

[pulsar yacht]

I tried to speedrun matoyas before server went down. Got to 5% before i died to server enrage

[viral dew]

til an attack goes through Hallowed and both of you are there like "what the fuck?"

[tropic frigate]

if anything all healers should be like ast but should not feel samey at all

[vital brook]

BRUH

[cinder thunder]

AST has its own problems unrelated to the proportion issue, though Malefic is still kinda overused

[oak pike]

[elfin skiff]

ok? tether RDM

[maiden lodge]

Fuck this paladin in particular

[vital brook]

Y'know in Savage i had this GNB, he used invuln then he died to an autoattack INSTANTLY

[viral dew]

oof

[vital brook]

I thought it was a myth, IT IS NOT A MYTH, its real!

[woven escarp]

server ticks are a hell of a drug

[oak pike]

thats unfortunate

[maiden lodge]

I mean, if the other dps was the dragoon obv tether the RDM. If the RDM were instead the DRG, he ain't tetherin that ninja.

[polar star]

People who complain about attacks going through hallowed probably aren't using it correctly.

[vital brook]

We all heard it, we all were in voice chat, and we went "what the fuck happened?"

[deft burrow]

I'm not adjusting for a BLM in narnia as a DRG, I'm just gonna tether the tank so I keep my rotation flowing. @maiden lodge

[woven escarp]

true damage goes through hallowed, and a few abilities do that that aren't enrage

[polar star]

strat is to use it at least 2-3 seconds in advance to avoid server tick shenanigans

[obsidian gate]

that delay is a motherfucker

[elfin skiff]

i will throw my tether off a cliff before i give it to my healer, because if dps isn't up to snuff to warrant me using my buttons properly then optimization is already off the table

[gaunt star]

red mages are usualy fine.its usualy the samurai players that are sus

[maiden lodge]

It's a server tick issue where the damage modifier from the invuln isn't applied in time to affect attacks that have already been put in the queue. It's the same with addle and such where you have to get addle in before the cast finishes, not before the damage shows up.

[polar star]

like i said, not using it correctly.

[cinder thunder]

Be nice and give it to the healer so we spend one less GCD spamming Glare.

[maiden lodge]

RDMs have a chip on their shoulder from 5.0, we all got napolean complex

[tropic frigate]

i wonder if they can make the invuln apply first before hp drops on gnb

[polar star]

use it in anticipation, not as a panic button.

[elfin skiff]

its not an issue, its a snapshot. either git gud with the button, do without it or go do something else

[maiden lodge]

If you're getting hit with autos as a GNB though, you can't... like... time it? If that makes sense?

[vital brook]

Nah, SE got their shit backwards, shouldnt be

HP down>Invuln activated

It should be: Invuln activated>HP to 1... but then how the fuck u code this?

[echo orbit]

when snapshots become consistent then it's not an issue

[vital brook]

Cuz if its an invuln, can you even code it so they still take the dmg to leave em with 1 HP?

[polar star]

Hallowed is on PLD

[elfin skiff]

they are though, use needs to be consistent.

[maiden lodge]

It really isn't that. It's--

Server event for auto starts, damage is calculated, animation for auto occurs.
Invuln comes up
Animation for auto resolves, damage is reported as it was already calculated.

[vital brook]

this is too bigbrain for me bro

[elfin skiff]

ok?

[deft burrow]

Just don't get hit, I don't get it.

[polar star]

using hallowed for uptime is the only way I know

[tropic frigate]

so he was at low hp before clicking invuln?

[elfin skiff]

yeah, bad tank

[tropic frigate]

as gnb

[maiden lodge]

I'd expect so.

[polar star]

was that in response to me

[elfin skiff]

if youre pushing eject when youre already over the cliff, you cant blame the parachute for your driving

[maiden lodge]

I will find a WAY.

[rain onyx]

Say, has anyone checked if the PS5 Beta is up yet?

[elfin skiff]

imma go enjoy my shooters for the night, tc, NN

[obsidian gate]

that burn status seems to be perm

[weary adder]

oh right, i forgot about that

if i had a copy on console id check it out

[rain onyx]

I think I'll check after I eat, but maybe it won't be up until patch download

I really hope i don't have to wait for patch launch ;-;

[ashen sluice]

you probably will

[rain onyx]

[maiden lodge]

Chances are they'll roll it out at the same time as the PS4 patch rollout

it's cheaper that way

[wary perch]

Such a pain

Have to download the whole dam file for ps5

[glossy terrace]

Hopefully you have stuff with you to make the download time go by faster? When i had to download ff14 and heavensward on my ps4 it took me almost all day to do the download. @_@

[light pendant]

Does this make anyone else sad?

[unreal wadi]

are you ok @light pendant

[light pendant]

no

[unreal wadi]

are you suffering from withdrawls from not being able to play

[ivory wolf]

I am so excited for tomorrow

[light pendant]

I wanna sit in my apartment and watch my fish

[dim sigil]

Ill be fish

glub noises

[rough kestrel]

Maintenance brings out all the weirdos, huh?

[shell trail]

patch notes drop soon? ;.;

[tropic frigate]

im excited for fanfest the most than anything

[dim sigil]

Ill have you know I'm here nearly everyday hmph

[versed hill]

nah still sometime to go

[dim sigil]

Is there anything even ever normally different about full patch notes other than like job changes i dont recall

[gaunt star]

What time is the maintenance over

Im not excited cus idk what they are adding cus im a noob still :> i havent even done whatever patch .4 was lol

[versed hill]

idk, new primal weapons?

[dim sigil]

3am

[versed hill]

!maint

[gaunt star]

6 hours

[versed hill]

oh right kupo doesnt work here kekw

[pulsar yacht]

Usually minor corrections and bugs/known issues

[kindred rampart]

https://twitter.com/groznyj_grad/status/1381809243922251777

Sara 💤 🎃⚡ (@groznyj_grad)

You're laughing. It's 4 am, I can't play Final Fantasy XIV and you're laughing.

Twitter · Apr 13, 2021, 3:19 AM

[dim sigil]

Can't wait to wake up at 3 a.m. for patch

[gaunt star]

Goodnight

Gn

I have a feeling we could get byako weapons

Maybe the PvP weapons for this expansion too but that's probably pushing our luck xd

[oblique palm]

I want to know how the tv screen furnishing they mentioned in the patch notes works. Does it play its own images or will it work off of our unlocked vistas?

Mentioned in live letter*

[versed hill]

god just give me the next pvp set already

[gaunt star]

He didn’t really explain the tv

[versed hill]

I'm already tired of late allagan

[pulsar yacht]

If i was a lazy se developer it would be based off vistas, either single image or a set of 5 and rotate through them

[oblique palm]

That’s my guess

[gaunt star]

Seems likely

[pulsar lagoon]

didn't the translation folks say that they said it was like a moving image?

[oblique palm]

Would also give us a reason to collect them

[gaunt star]

They'll relate it back to the crystal tower like everything else xd

[pulsar lagoon]

i just hope we get Ruby Sea or Tempest scenery.

[echo thicket]

speaking of pvp, we should be getting a new set of pvp set?

[light pendant]

I want to see the hd version of ui

[gaunt star]

It’s a set for the like the top pvpers or something

[versed hill]

Yea, but its awfully late

[oblique palm]

If SE gives us the Nier jet as a mount I will never need another mount ingame...

[versed hill]

Unless we're only getting Late Allagan for ShB

[echo thicket]

I meant a set that you can buy with marks

oh they wont be that generous lmao, if only

[gaunt star]

We won't get a second set probably.but we should Atleast get weapons.

[opaque hemlock]

The only PvP set we're for sure getting is new Feast stuff.

I won't be surprised to see no new Wolf Mark set, which is disappointing as we didn't even get weapon glams with the Late Allagan stuff

[limpid cairn]

Disgaea mobile is out now. May as well play that while we wait.

[frail stream]

are patch notes out yet?

[drowsy lantern]

nope

the note reading for jp is supposed to be at midnight MST so it should be soonish

[somber compass]

they are doing a livestream for post notes?

[wary perch]

Yes

[balmy mesa]

I wonder how we obtain the tv furnishing
Would give me an excuse to renovate my apartment

[hallow violet]

I'd guess we just craft it like other new furnishing

[echo thicket]

prob craftable

[wheat onyx]

when would the data mines be up?

[drowsy lantern]

it's JP only for patch reading traditionally. I think the reddit translation team sometimes posts some interesting tidbits on it but nothing super important

[echo thicket]

id be pissed if it was locked behind submarines

[drowsy lantern]

it's probably locked behind subs tbh

or maybe ishgard fetes

[wheat onyx]

would the TV also be locked to just the view of the Steppe? that'll be boring if it does

[gaunt star]

No datamines till patch is available for download

[wheat onyx]

approximately how many hours before we get that though?

[harsh nimbus]

Probably soon

[echo thicket]

i dunno 2hrs or so before server is up?

[drowsy lantern]

servers can come early this time though so it's probably sooner than later.

[wind bough]

5 hrs 15 minutes.

[echo thicket]

Oh if the tv was locked behind scripts, there some incentive to continue farming scripts lol

[wind bough]

Servers may come up early but don't expect more than 30 minutes.

[balmy mesa]

The patch should be available in about two hours or so I would say

[light pendant]

release it now h3ndofry

[weary adder]

drop it

[versed hill]

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/6526ce95a595e8a557b55736f85f19687dc11883

Patch Notes

[weary adder]

page not found for me

[versed hill]

Yea I was too fast

[late trail]

dead link

[weary adder]

waiting for the real one 🤤

[ashen sluice]

the lodestone is now in maint mode

[versed hill]

still dead link

[weary adder]

where’d you access it from

[versed hill]

job changes

[echo orbit]

extreme trial?

[weary adder]

WAR BUFF

[pulsar yacht]

Works for me now

[foggy trench]

I knew it storms path potency up

[weary adder]

POG POG POG POG POG POG POG POG

[foggy trench]

New riddle of earth is nice but technically worse no?

Oh wait nevermind you still have 3 charges its better

[heady shadow]

lemme see here

[foggy trench]

40 potency gain on war combo is super nice much better than I was expecting

[oak pike]

420

[echo orbit]

blaze it

[wary perch]

Just move war to dps man

Since they keep buffing war

[foggy trench]

40 per combo

[maiden lodge]

Maim has 20 as well.

[deft burrow]

mmmm those drg buffs

moreeeeeee

[maiden lodge]

Maim gets 20, Storms eye and path get 40 each, that's 60.

[weary adder]

WAR changes are huuuge

im massive

[vital brook]

They arent really huge huge tho

[echo orbit]

war changes just brings their dps on par maybe

[deft burrow]

Not gonna put it above PLD or GNB

[foggy trench]

Overall yeah but you can't use storms path and eye in the same combo 🤣 Math probably makes it even better since buffs hit after eye goes up and you go back to start combo again

[deft burrow]

It'll be ahead of DRK guaranteed now

[weary adder]

war puts me in my gaming zone now

[maiden lodge]

Sigh.

Maim is +20.
Storms is +40.

20+40=60.

[foggy trench]

I know what you're saying yeah

[maiden lodge]

So it's 60 per combo, not 40.

[pulsar current]

Ah man, no relic weapon changes? Bleh

[tropic flare]

good, grit now also effects Living Shadow...

[pulsar current]

Was hoping for a nerf

[vital brook]

This is more "wait it never did?" For me

[oak pike]

TiL living shadow didnt gain aggro bonus before

[tropic flare]

ya lol

[balmy mesa]

will probably drop on 5.55

[ashen sluice]

there wouldn't be relic nerfs til 5.55

[frail stream]

patch pls

[pulsar current]

Ye but I was hoping. Oh well

[frail stream]

is there a link?

[tight marlin]

bruh 10 potency for DRG lol
WAR mains are definitely happy tho

[late bronze]

Above

[foggy coyote]

I'm confused by why they added the Grit tweak. Did LS need to have enmity...?

[maiden lodge]

30 per 5-step combo.

[worn dove]

yeah i dont get why itd matter

[foggy trench]

Consistency with other tanks maybe since the others don't have a summon?

[foggy coyote]

My only guess is that they did it for the sake of consistency

[tight marlin]

oh ik but its still funny that its just 10

[balmy mesa]

* Additional features will be implemented in future updates:
Further main scenario quests, Save the Queen: Blades of Gunnhildr, and Resistance weapon upgrades are scheduled to be released in Patch 5.55.

on the patch notes page, just so you know

[maiden lodge]

Yeah, if a DRK is producing less enmity during the opener it increases the risk that they lose threat early to the cotank. It matters in high end play.

Not a lot, but it's QoL.

[tight marlin]

The effects of this action have been completely revamped.
Riddle of Earth now functions as follows:
Grants 3 stacks of Riddle of Earth, each stack reducing damage taken by 10% and nullifying all action direction requirements.
Duration: 10s
Maximum Charges: 3
Effect ends when time expires or upon execution of three weaponskills.

so....could they theoretically revamp true north to be nullfy direction requirements for the next 5 attacks?

[late bronze]

@maiden lodge not really

[maiden lodge]

Not -realllly- but it's QoL and QoL is QoL.

[wispy bolt]

patch up yet?

[foggy trench]

4 hours and 45 minutes

[worn dove]

drk shouldnt lose at any point its out due to rest of burst anyways

[pulsar current]

I’m well aware, they nerfed the 36 step in 5.45 so I was wondering if they’d do it this patch too

[turbid bough]

The fact that dragoons aoe still doesn't refresh their damage buff makes me a little mad.

[wispy bolt]

could it end early? or does the new pvp season prevent that?

[maiden lodge]

The other tank is bursting too

[foggy trench]

It could end early but we don't know yet

[balmy mesa]

Adjustments have been made to the summoner job quest "To Be Second Best."
Players who accepted this quest prior to the release of Patch 5.5 must abandon the quest and restart it by speaking to Y'mhitra in Old Gridania (X:10.9 Y:6.3).

I wonder what they changed in that job quest

[maiden lodge]

yus

[unreal wadi]

thank fucking god

[wispy bolt]

Fordola is in that quest iirc

[versed hill]

Fordola is in it

[wispy bolt]

she prolly dies

[turbid bough]

And Arenvald

[versed hill]

Likely dialogue changes if you've done 5.5

[maiden lodge]

Yeah it might just change dialog so that it reflects post-vs-pre 5.5 stuff

[balmy mesa]

ahah, now I understand!

[gaunt star]

Fordola > Lyse

[maiden lodge]

Fordola and Arenvald are in it, but also the status quo for primals and that change too

[tight marlin]

arenvald/fordola fucking dies confirmed

[balmy mesa]

there's a lot of talk about primals in that quest, yeah

[late bronze]

I will skip cs faster than light

[maiden lodge]

literally the whole reason Fordola and Arenvald are even in it

[worn dove]

wait i just realized its a response to war buff too ty for explaining

[versed hill]

Who else parked at Stilltide

[wispy bolt]

datamine up yet?

[maiden lodge]

Yes, the data mine is up for a patch no one has yet.

[versed hill]

Patch isn't even up yet

[foggy coyote]

no datamine until patch can be DLed

[versed hill]

Patch is likely an hour from now

[maiden lodge]

Data miners are so good they can mine data that's not in their hands

[versed hill]

https://tenor.com/view/hacker-hackerman-kung-fury-gif-7953536

[balmy mesa]

lol
only the finest organic data

[maiden lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/kinda-psychic-i-have-a-fifth-sense-mean-girls-amanda-seyfried-gif-17146275

[foggy coyote]

my hacker skillz allow me to datamine unpatched patches

stop being a scrub and git gewd kid

[maiden lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/she-ra-psychic-read-mind-gif-9909907

[foggy coyote]

live footage of me grabbing all 5.5 spoilers

[foggy trench]

Anyone see anything new in the notes other than job changes?

[maiden lodge]

That's a !faq this server needs.

'Data miners cannot mine data that doesn't exist yet. Stop asking for datamining before the patch can download.'

They can then break that out every time someone asks.

• An issue wherein accepting pixie beast tribe quests as a blue mage prevented quest progression under certain conditions.

WHAT

[deft burrow]

Why do people care about datamines that aren't related to the melee dps class

[gaunt star]

Wanna see the role armor for nier so I know what to queue as

[deft burrow]

Ah

[maiden lodge]

--An issue in the dungeon Halatali wherein players could attack enemies from a specific location without taking damage.

2.0's the gift that keeps on giving

[balmy mesa]

lmfao

now, that arrow change on enemy directions will make it easier to not fuck up on Dawon during Obey

[maiden lodge]

wut

[deft burrow]

Honestly didn't see an issue with the targeting circle

It was pretty simple already to understand but whateves

[gaunt star]

Would be great if the next relic weapons were included in today’s data but idk. Hopefully we’ll be able to unmask the glowy figure from the trailer though

[maiden lodge]

Dawon's facing doesn't matter on Obey, he lands in the direction he jumped.

[wheat onyx]

war changes made me sad in the way that it's way too overdue, guess those guys salty on war got the last laugh

give me the TV damnit

[rough kestrel]

@gaunt star Its possible, you could look at Fandanial and see Asahi's face in CMtool from the first time he showed up in like 5.1 or 5.2

[deft burrow]

DRK players are still wallowing in pain

[wheat onyx]

don't they love the pain or something lore wise anyway?

[maiden lodge]

...no

[gaunt star]

I maxed drk but gnb is still the most fun tank

[deft burrow]

Lol

[wheat onyx]

oh god I triggered a fan of drk I guess

[maiden lodge]

DRK's lore is that they harness their sense of injustice and desire to protect those they love.

[deft burrow]

They are basically vigilantes

[maiden lodge]

Pretty much.

[wheat onyx]

[maiden lodge]

It's telling that the DRK representative in its stories is an adopted dad figure

[gaunt star]

laughs in warrior voice

[wheat onyx]

everyone loves them dark knights, but meanwhile I'm the outlier

I'm dying for the TV plsplspls

[gaunt star]

those warrior bufs are not bad though

[echo orbit]

drk is powered by LOVE

[verbal wagon]

i agree

[gaunt star]

although i was kinda hoping for them buff cleave or something

[wheat onyx]

"please look forward to EW where war would definitely be dead last again because the community hates them" or something

[cosmic herald]

we get healer and melee class

[snow rune]

too bad

this buffs is kinda useless at this point lol

[gaunt star]

Imagine we find the weapon for it today

[snow rune]

no content to use it on

[gaunt star]

i survived the hate as a 2.0 warrior when i rocked up to coil party.i survived the hate when we were legit outdpsing most dps in hw and plds were raging over us.

[cosmic herald]

Sage and the other melee class that uses scythes?

[maiden lodge]

Warriors were not outdpsing most dps in HW, except for baddies.

[wheat onyx]

why do people keep referencing a scythe user may I ask?

[upper rune]

theories and wishes

[subtle pasture]

It’s moreso the most anticipated. Yoshi’s teases have strongly pointed to something with a Reaper flair

[cosmic herald]

We know we would get a melee dps

[obsidian gate]

i mean one of the shirt he wore had a literally grim reaper on it lol

[subtle pasture]

The only thing hard confirmed is a melee dps that uses maiming gear, which also lends to the reaper vibe

[wheat onyx]

I know when to be midly anticipating after that dnc role betrayal, but not sure how a scythe user would go and how their lore would be like - then again, sage is already like if you ripped off a PSO2 class and justified it

[gaunt star]

would a spiked gunhammer constitute as maiming?

[gaunt star]

DNC has never been a healer in ff, stay mad

[maiden lodge]

Yes.

[oblique palm]

Honestly I’m guessing the next class would be Geomancer tbh

[deft burrow]

Nah

[gaunt star]

It won't be

[maiden lodge]

is that like the ninja as dps betrayal and the drk as tank betrayal and the rdm as caster betrayal??

[wheat onyx]

I already got over it a long time ago lol, used dnc for my lazy days

[cosmic herald]

I know that Sage was typically a more powerful mage in FF series but didn't expect them to pull off the floating gun healer type

[gaunt star]

Geomancer in the context of FFXIV is just an Eastern AST

[paper zealot]

Any news about how much rainmaker hair will cost on gold saucer?

[oblique palm]

They still haven’t explained what class Graha is

[wheat onyx]

lmao you count rdm as caster a betrayal?

[cosmic herald]

I know Dancer was always a buff/debuff support rather than a healer

[maiden lodge]

I dunno, how would you count dancer as a not-healer as a betrayal?

[gaunt star]

Graha is just a freelancer

[balmy mesa]

Following the establishment of an Aethernet in the Firmament, players can no longer travel through the area via the Face of the Firmament.

that's convenient

[maiden lodge]

Except in FF5, FF6, FFT...

[gaunt star]

???? They were support there

[weary adder]

i am happy enough with my buff

[wheat onyx]

with the gnb jebait and the healer role literally being shrouded, you won't really be surprised at the amount of jebaits, albeit a melee healer is unrealistic anyway

[maiden lodge]

FF5 didn't buff (and was a dps once you got Sword Dance). FF6 was a geomancer. FFT was a field-wide debuff job.

[wheat onyx]

keep talking smack, like you did before

[cosmic herald]

eh i would put it as support

[gaunt star]

also happy with my monk buff for pvp

[subtle pasture]

gnb bait
Wha

[gaunt star]

I think he's trolling Pash

[wheat onyx]

how is mnk anyway? did it solve a part of its issues?

[gaunt star]

I love how combat it can get here sometimes

[gaunt star]

still trash in frontline

[wheat onyx]

I mean pve, because everyone is praising the removal of GL

[gaunt star]

it feels better now and tornado kick has now replace anatman on hotbar

[maiden lodge]

In pve it's middle of the road as dps goes, it's simpler now, but performance is fight dependant. Middle of the road is good

[wheat onyx]

would riddle of earth be more bearable now? there's that short duration still but someone commented on the stacks

[obsidian gate]

performance is not fight dependant lol

[deft burrow]

MNK is 2nd highest melee dps

About 4th-5th best dps

[maiden lodge]

cool story bro

Monk does very well in E11S and E12S gateboss but does less well in E12S Oracle and E8 and E9S which changes its position considrably but you keep telling yourself that.

[visual spade]

Necromancer?

It'd make that boss in the Hero's Gauntlet make sense

[wheat onyx]

I do wonder what other issues can they still solve regarding mnk, heard that the opener is still pain and that chakra is rng

[deft burrow]

Not gonna be called Necromancer but likely it would be a scythe wielding melee class

[subtle pasture]

Unfortunately no, they specifically joked about necromancer during the announcement

[deft burrow]

Which is my favourite aesthetic so I'm super hype if it turns out to be what is suggested due to consistent hints

[visual spade]

Hmm, if not Necro...

Reaper could make for a TWEWY crossover lol.

[compact marlin]

Nekomancer : 🐱

[subtle pasture]

Reaper/Ravager/Dervish/what-have-you

[deft burrow]

RPR

[visual spade]

I guess Reaper is fine. RPR. Wait.

[subtle pasture]

TWEWY’s Reapers are hardly the scythe wielding type

[foggy trench]

That is bad in so many ways

[cosmic herald]

bruh

[wheat onyx]

idk if they'd insist on a crossover now while having an ultimate backlog

[visual spade]

no, that sounds like rapper. you don't wanna get falsely accused of rap.

[gaunt star]

chakra on monk is quite funny if you use essence of gambler in dr xd

[carmine basin]

TWEWY reaper has fun gameplay tho

[subtle pasture]

Hence RAV as another popular suggestion

[maiden lodge]

Reaper is what you'd call a job for people who think Dark Knight is edgy... but not edgy enough.

[deft burrow]

Me, no shame

[visual spade]

Scythes are quite impractical weapons on foot

[deft burrow]

Except so are gunblades

[visual spade]

And we don't have a whip-user OR a doll user.

[compact marlin]

Reduce it to hand scythe

[cosmic herald]

majority don't look at lore and think drk is edgy

[tropic frigate]

practicality in my FF game?

[visual spade]

I was really expecting a Lulu-style doll user. you could have the boss weapons be cute plushies of the bosses.

[compact marlin]

A sickle

[maiden lodge]

Melee doll user..... somehow

[visual spade]

Ohhh, do a Laurentius, have a sword and shotel.

[deft burrow]

It'll be a big polearm like weapon like DRG for it to be maiming

[crystal sentinel]

any nier glam leaks?

[deft burrow]

So likely a long scythe if it is a scythe class since heavy armour is normally on those that use long reaching weapons

[carmine basin]

Patch isn't up yet so no

[gaunt star]

we could still get memed and it could be a pole wielding job that summons magiteck reapers

[maiden lodge]

Actually, PUP... could work as a melee where your 'melee attacks' are just marionetting the puppet weapon. That... actually.. is kinda cool

[carmine basin]

My guess is Soul Reaper bc of the grim reaper/death/skull imagery form his shirts

[obsidian gate]

bunch of magitek reapers on sticks

[deft burrow]

I mean Yoshi-P did say that Puppeteer wouldn't happen

[visual spade]

Pet-based jobs seem to not be his bag.

[maiden lodge]

Yeah but that's cause of the collection of parts that made up that job

[obsidian gate]

considering the disdain for pet jobs lol

[visual spade]

But I am not saying a pet base

[obsidian gate]

hell ff11 drg was kinda pet class lol

[maiden lodge]

This isn't a pet based job. It's a melee job where the animations are not 'hittiing them with a weapon'

[visual spade]

I just mean, a magic user who uses dolls.

[deft burrow]

I mean whatever the name is, if its using a scythe, I'm switching from DRG to it

[foggy trench]

The only reason people are theorizing scythe as the new primary weapon is because of the shirts yoship has been wearing right?

[visual spade]

TBH, it could be like a magical tank.

[obsidian pagoda]

Pet jobs would be better if creating macros in this game is better that what it is

[frail stream]

beastmaster uses a scythe too

[cursive sluice]

I feel like if PUP winds up being in game it'd be a limited job like BLU lol

[visual spade]

Have the doll tank hits, the hero funnels power into the doll.

[deft burrow]

Multiple shirts in a row, yes @foggy trench

[gaunt star]

Could just be reaper with scythe weaponskills. Doesn’t have to be super fancy

[obsidian gate]

beastmaster will be limited lol

[maiden lodge]

That, and there's a hint Zenos might swap to a scythe.

[foggy trench]

I know that, but still could be bait

[carmine basin]

死神 (Shinigami) as the JP name for the job

[maiden lodge]

gross

[tropic frigate]

whats bait to me is the skeleton pointing at his necklace

[deft burrow]

All the evidence we have is hinting towards a scythe, and if they are baiting something that people are hyped about like this, Yoshi-P wouldn't have worn Reaper-like clothing.

[tropic frigate]

i hate why they have to exist

[gaunt star]

or he beats up estenian and steals his spear and estenian goes missing and shows up as reaper.

[deft burrow]

Its a bad decision to hype up people about a Scythe class and then be like "NAH"

[wary perch]

@deft burrow what evidence though?

[obsidian pagoda]

I don't think they'd have Death theme tbh, even if they do use a scythe

[visual spade]

That'd be kinda hilarious.

[deft burrow]

Every single shirt Yoshi-P has worn since Feb. EW announcement @wary perch

[tropic frigate]

however what else is the children of bodom shirt able to be? has anyone fully looked into it?

[maiden lodge]

japanese temple warriors used scythes too

[gaunt star]

Ain’t shinigami from death note!

[tropic frigate]

because its about the only one that might not be related to anything else

[obsidian pagoda]

He wears 3 T-shirts with the grim reaper on them already

[visual spade]

What did they call them

[gaunt star]

its always possible it was out of respect for the band.the singer died shortly before that

[maiden lodge]

It just means 'death god' they're not going to call something a 'death god'.

[visual spade]

Death Knight would be fine

[foggy trench]

They were in death note, since thats the name for japanese gods of the dead

[sly bluff]

Or Estinien's spear gets bent and decided to roll with it.

[visual spade]

Death Seeker.

[foggy trench]

Panty Seeker

[visual spade]

Farmer.

It isn't a scythe, but a hoe.

[carmine basin]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinigami

[maiden lodge]

Shephard class confirmed

[visual spade]

First you reap their souls

Then you reap a harvest of grain and lentils.

[deft burrow]

They can do so much with a scythe aesthetic

[wary perch]

https://tenor.com/view/soul-eater-death-the-kid-gif-9286551

[ember steeple]

aren't all or at least most of the bands on the shirts some form of metal band? since there's always just the angle of literally being related to metal in that case

[deft burrow]

One more month to go before its revealed

[maiden lodge]

Seriously though if you thirst to harvest souls just go do a HW relic or something mate

[lost skiff]

zenos also has a scythe in the trailer, kind of hard to see

[wary perch]

What if it's this deathscythe?

[maiden lodge]

One's a punk band.

[deft burrow]

They are all death metal @ember steeple

[foggy coyote]

It's not a scythe. It's a sickle. The new class is just a botanist expansion.

[maiden lodge]

NBHD is not death metal.

[visual spade]

I just don't know what precedent there is.

No FF character has wielded a scythe.

[obsidian gate]

yes they have

[visual spade]

Not even FFX-2 had a Death Knight. iirc.

[ember steeple]

we've got more examples of people using hammers than scythes really

[tender fog]

Is the patch downloadable?

[foggy coyote]

I mean, no FF character has wielded noliths

[obsidian gate]

type -0

[visual spade]

Oh

[carmine basin]

Like

[visual spade]

I never played.

[maiden lodge]

There have been scythe weapons though, usually usable by axe-wielders.

[tender fog]

11 had scythes

[visual spade]

Dragon Quest has scythes.

[foggy coyote]

DRKs in 11 used scythes

[gaunt star]

Marluxia

[ember steeple]

scythe kinda feels weird with the whole scythe glamour existing in the first place to me

[late bronze]

Edda has

[balmy mesa]

not yet

[deft burrow]

Not a big deal @ember steeple

[maiden lodge]

Bold of you to assume there's DRK weapons other than Kraken Club /s

[visual spade]

Well goddammit just make it a Necromancer then.

[foggy coyote]

lmao

[cosmic herald]

ffxiv drk is based of ff4 dark knight cecil

[visual spade]

FF has had Necromancer as a job before.

[obsidian pagoda]

They don't wanna make death-powered jobs

[ember steeple]

eh, it's more it kinda feels weird to make it a mog station item if you can just be a class with a lot of scythes

[maiden lodge]

When I think melee in maiming gear I think a wizard too

[visual spade]

But we kill everything.

[gaunt star]

Exactly

[deft burrow]

Well that was the case for gnb stuff too @ember steeple

[visual spade]

BATTLE WIZARDS ARE A VIABLE UNIT

[tender fog]

That's glam related

[runic garden]

Here's hoping for craftee susano or titania weps this patch

[maiden lodge]

Warrior is just axe wizard

[tender fog]

They could easily make, or redo the lance scythe for the new job

[ember steeple]

it's glam but also paid for as well which is kind of why it's in a weird spot

[gaunt star]

it wouldnt make sense to be soul reaper anyway.we dont really talk about souls per se

[visual spade]

See, finally, somebody talking sense

[maiden lodge]

Ninja is a stabomancer

[cosmic herald]

necromancer is strictly enemy job which is what ffxi has

[gaunt star]

maybe aether reaper?

[foggy coyote]

I think it'd be funny if it was necromancer or reaper, but the weapon ended up NOT being a scythe.

[visual spade]

Dragoon is a master of gravity magic.

[deft burrow]

Master of floor

[visual spade]

However, their mastery is always in one way.

[tender fog]

There's weapons on the mogstation anyway

[maiden lodge]

but no they're not going to make a job based around making ashkin, which is pretty much a terrible thing to do

[versed hill]

patch is up

[foggy trench]

@foggy coyote Massive metal Lanturn would be a cool weapon

[cosmic herald]

they were gonna add it as a playable job but replaced it with puppetmaster because it would complicate story

[cyan hinge]

Necromancer would be weird considering how necromancy works in this game

[ember steeple]

necromancer or reaper seems like it would've fit more in the shadowbringers story but eh, im not sold on it being just that

[visual spade]

Well, Reaper is out then too for the death connection. I guess they could call them Crescent Knights or...

[maiden lodge]

PC Patch is UP

[tender fog]

Puppetmaster would make a great limited tbh

[foggy coyote]

lunar knight :B

[visual spade]

...why are we going to Thavnair and not doing MAGIC KNIGHTS

[gaunt star]

oh patch is quite small

[cosmic herald]

would you want wol to play as a class associated with death?

[versed hill]

yea only 700mb

[deft burrow]

oh patch is up

[obsidian pagoda]

Rune Knights maybe

[visual spade]

When else would it be okay to wear a turban?

[foggy trench]

This is my hope ff5 magic knight

[visual spade]

Yes, I literally kill hundreds of people.

[echo thicket]

700 mb? wow thats quite small

[wary perch]

How come only 700mb?

[maiden lodge]

The Tholl

'am I a joke to you'

[versed hill]

maybe theres another patch later?

[gaunt star]

actually primal reaper is probably more fitting

[obsidian pagoda]

I would fucking love to have turban headgear, but alas I'm a Viera

[tender fog]

Dancer came out in shb LMAO. But it's possible magic knight could use a scythe

[echo thicket]

maybe alot of compression? 🤷‍♂️

[wary perch]

That's not even a cutscene worth/s

[visual spade]

Godslayer class.

[versed hill]

This is hella small lmao

[crude imp]

That’s more or less what they made red mage into though

[visual spade]

We didn't even need dancers then lmao.

[maiden lodge]

ff11 invented RDM

[visual spade]

Oh well. Is Dancer any fun?

[late bronze]

SE optimize very well these things, not like other companies that remove content for free space

[foggy trench]

Kinda but augmenting melee attacks with different elements to do different things would be fun too

[maiden lodge]

Mystic Knight is in FF14 already

[obsidian pagoda]

Technically it's only half the patch cause Bozja stuff comes with .55

[visual spade]

SE and optimization have not always gone hand-in-hand.

[gaunt star]

not really.you do get a minigame though to press buttons when they random;ly light up

[ember steeple]

i'd sure like a melee class that doesn't use blades beyond drg/mnk

[crude imp]

Yeah. I could see them doing a class that’s the inverse of Red Mage

[versed hill]

I guess that means they didn't push the weapons early

[gaunt star]

1.0 flashbacks

[visual spade]

...oh wait, what about Riskbreaker?

[cinder thunder]

Id love a magic scythe user. I kinda expect something like Time Battlemage where it uses elemental enhancements with slow and strong slashes, hopefully using lots of dark magic.

[heavy drift]

where are yall seeing 700mb?

[visual spade]

Time Mage would be amazing

[crude imp]

Could also just be something completely new

[maiden lodge]

What does that even mean, as a job

[obsidian pagoda]

Ashley Riot NPC

[balmy mesa]

5.8GB what

[visual spade]

Presumably, you use a scythe. Take risks. Break.

[heavy drift]

mine was almost 6 GB

[foggy trench]

Now thats the real patch

[terse mortar]

5.gb also got

[ashen wyvern]

Oh wow

[limpid cairn]

patch launcher isn't letting me patch. Says my version check is incompatible.

[cinder thunder]

I would rather have a scythe than another sword user

[echo thicket]

oh wow

[tender fog]

It'd because of the new menus

[versed hill]

oh guess I did get an earlier patch

[maiden lodge]

5gb seems also bad

[visual spade]

I would love dual curved swords.

[cinder thunder]

And a magic melee would be pretty unique

[rough kestrel]

.8 is the patch contents and 5gb is the 4K UI stuff

[echo thicket]

holy shit

[cosmic herald]

version check failed because maint isn't over

[ember steeple]

i'd just be happy if we could use hammers considering they went over a few people with it now

[maiden lodge]

Because, you know.... that's half an expansion

[obsidian pagoda]

I'm OK with this

[visual spade]

Oh Gaia has a hammer

So maybe so. Gothsmasher.

[gaunt star]

ive wanted a gunhammer since i saw it in 2.0

my favourite ff class

[trim linden]

Pancea: Those Lalafell hyave curved swords. Curved. Swords

[cosmic herald]

unable to perform version check

[median quest]

anyone else also getting this

[obsidian pagoda]

Nero's weapon, please!

[balmy mesa]

there's a way to fix the version check

[rough kestrel]

Just hit okay

[cosmic herald]

Maint isn't over yet

[limpid cairn]

@median quest I am.

[mild hornet]

I am also getting it

[visual spade]

What use are they if they can't attack on horseback? What're they gonna do, hack my ankles off?

[cinder thunder]

What about a Time Battlemage using a Warhammer building magic, which converts into a Warscythe for a fast slicing burst phase?

[cosmic herald]

Not yet

[late quiver]

The game is down for maintenance, so it'll be a while to update, no?

[limpid cairn]

usually maint is up but you can still tag the patch. I can wait. NBD.

[untold gull]

How long till maint ends?

[visual spade]

...oh, they are going to hack my ankles off? Well then

[bold dove]

restart your ffxiv to get the launcher update to

[late quiver]

approx. 4 hours from now

[cosmic herald]

Just wait

[rough kestrel]

Someone was able to update though

[gaunt star]

The actual patch usually goes live several hours before maintenance ends

[untold gull]

Ah okay okay, thanks

[maiden lodge]

Im updating right now

[trim linden]

I used to be a Warrior of Light

[unreal wadi]

im guessing

[trim linden]

Then I took an arrow to 2B

[unreal wadi]

datamine stuff will be rolling through here? am i not wrong?

[brave crater]

patch is live for me it seems

[maiden lodge]

Have you tried doing what it says?

[tender fog]

Is anyone else getting that error?

[winter lion]

Mine is updating

[rough kestrel]

What? Reinstall XIV?

[bold dove]

if you are getting the error code, close our your launcher and restart it

[obsidian gate]

we go to the moon and scythes have crescents lunar knight confirmed kekw

[tender fog]

I've already done that

[winter lion]

exit out of the login screen completely

[obsidian pagoda]

I got the error message too

[cosmic herald]

Don't bother

[cinder thunder]

Lunar knight with scythe would be cool

[cyan hinge]

Your launcher has to update when it opens

[maiden lodge]

No, just restarting it

[visual spade]

Planeteer

[crude imp]

It’s probably just from overloaded servers. Wait a bit and try again

[abstract hound]

is it up for ps4 yet?

[cinder thunder]

It would also help me cosplay Ruby from RWBY

[foggy coyote]

we're the planeteers, you can be one, too

[unreal wadi]

if it is a scythe melee class, its sharing maiming gear

[gaunt star]

i got that weird message too

[maiden lodge]

'is anyone else getting the error other people are asking abbout that always kicks in right as a patch drops?'

[trim linden]

and botanist gear

[rough kestrel]

It seems like its trying to update the launcher and then just goes "whatever" opens launcher

[shut apex]

Anybody able to download the PS5 version yet?

[balmy mesa]

FYI to fix the "failed version check":

• go to C:\Users\<yourname>\Documents\My Games\FINAL FANTASY XIV - A Realm Reborn
• open the FFXIV_BOOT.cfg file in Notepad
• Set BootVersionCheckMode to 1
• restart FFXIV

that should force the launcher to update

[unreal wadi]

you're implying i even have a PS5 to begin with

[cinder thunder]

Yeah the maiming gear thing is a big hint towards it being a scythe.

[deft burrow]

Yep

[shut apex]

@unreal wadi lol. True.

[trim linden]

a combat botanist?

[terse mortar]

ye 38gb

[cinder thunder]

Nah, look up Crescent Rose or Vindictus Succubus

[shut apex]

O@terse mortar oh..how?

[versed hill]

any mines of new nier gear?

[terse mortar]

from ps store

[tender fog]

ty

[brave crater]

says about 5gb for me on PC

[terse mortar]

same way as normal

[trim linden]

same

[hoary dirge]

@balmy mesa Thanks mate

[shut apex]

@terse mortar oh sweet, ty bro.

[gaunt star]

mine updated after opening the launcher several times

[crimson pollen]

5834.17 here

[rough kestrel]

@balmy mesa Good shit

[deft burrow]

5.8gb is pretty big

[terse mortar]

presume its new graphics engine?

[gaunt star]

Same

[real hill]

There is a launcher update, so make sure you re-open the launcher on pc to get the download going

[obsidian pagoda]

This works, thanks

[maiden lodge]

868 mb for me, are people with larger downloads seeing that after the smaller one, or are you guys just... coming back to the game after an absence?

[brave crater]

nope

[opaque shard]

The ps5 upgrade version seems to be up as well btw

[deft burrow]

Relaunch the launcher @maiden lodge

[real hill]

5.8gb also includes the 4k textures for the UI

[compact marlin]

5836 update for me

[gaunt star]

i was playing before the servers went down and i have 5gb patch

[obsidian pagoda]

Maybe you're downloading a previous patch?

[maiden lodge]

No?

[versed hill]

that shouldnt be

[gaunt star]

2.2mb download speed.what is this blasphamy?

[lime nova]

if its 800 wait a bit

[obsidian pagoda]

It's defo 5834.17MB

[raven shadow]

Thank you!

[versed hill]

I got 868 here too

[lime nova]

friend had that too and then it switched to the bigger one after

[crystal sentinel]

why I cant download reeee

[deft burrow]

I had an 868mb update and then I relaunched and had a 5gb update

[maiden lodge]

This is the answer I was looking for, thank you

[hoary dirge]

https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/6526ce95a595e8a557b55736f85f19687dc11883_28.png?1618290163

[weary adder]

such a cute dress man

[weary adder]

gonna sell like hotcakes

[dim sigil]

Isnt that kinda stupid big for a patch

[obsidian pagoda]

Is that a leather shirt for the men? Kinda weird

[rough kestrel]

It's probably foundational stuff for part 2 and EW

[deft burrow]

It is big for a patch

[obsidian pagoda]

Might be cause of all the new UI icons

[crude imp]

HD assets.

[maiden lodge]

Well, it becomes the new normal if 4k support becomes normal.

[weary adder]

im capped at 2.35mb download speed

[cinder thunder]

At least they arent using lalas for the models

[terse mortar]

its not if its new graphics stuf said on 5.5 site

[dim sigil]

Fair

[weary adder]

sad

[gaunt star]

I swear we already have that exact mens set already 😭

[crimson pollen]

Maybe part of 5.5 stuff already included, just inactive till it hits

[maiden lodge]

4k support should be optional

[crimson pollen]

5.55*

[maiden lodge]

including downloads, fml

[rough kestrel]

@gaunt star No? Nothing in the game looks like that

[hoary dirge]

https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/6526ce95a595e8a557b55736f85f19687dc11883_36.png?1618290163

[gaunt star]

Lmao okay

[cinder thunder]

I hope the relics are datamined, then I can see which ones to work on

[balmy mesa]

it's easier for them to just provide a single set of files to each client though

[left nest]

relics are probably 2nd half

[rough kestrel]

@hoary dirge What outfit is that?

[terse mortar]

part 2 is relic

[visual spade]

Oh, nice, my Johnathan Joestar cosplay is ready

[gaunt star]

is that mount rider wearing new armor

[gaunt star]

my expectations for monk are always low

[cinder thunder]

We've seen relics early before.

[hoary dirge]

https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/6526ce95a595e8a557b55736f85f19687dc11883_37.png?1618290163

[gaunt star]

has the new nier raid sets been shown?

[visual spade]

Yeah

[carmine basin]

Three of them

[gaunt star]

Not all of them

[maiden lodge]

Yes but the inflation of download sizes for data that is irrelevant actually matters to those of us who don't live where uncapped internet is ubiquitous.

[hoary dirge]

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/6526ce95a595e8a557b55736f85f19687dc11883

[crimson pollen]

PLD relic achieved perfection already. Can see they gonna screw it all up now 😦

[cinder thunder]

Its possible the models and glows are in this patch and someone could show them off

[balmy mesa]

you can still glam though...

[gaunt star]

Flashbacks to eureka hydatos PLD weapon

[cinder thunder]

I really hope white mage and scholar get something nicer than what they gave

[gaunt star]

Monk relics are all awful

[obsidian gate]

what was that one model viewer website

[sly bluff]

doesn't work with me

[cinder thunder]

Dlunch something

[gaunt star]

white mage gets big tree as relic

Scholar relics already got as good as they were gonna get in pyros/anemos

[balmy mesa]

dang, will need to try again later, then

[spice vessel]

can someone ping me when the mounts/minions get datamined?

[unreal wadi]

waitin for... datamine

[gaunt star]

I think it's telling that one of the best monk weapons glam wise is just...hiding them

[obsidian gate]

only one worth using in hydatos knuckles for literally fists of fire

[unreal wadi]

you mean pyros, because hydatos fucking sucks

[gaunt star]

that or the kettles

[cinder thunder]

I would love a glowy version of that gorgeous small white crystal flower staff whm got with their standard shb job gear

[obsidian gate]

the pryso ones sucked wdym

[gusty mirage]

i'm getting the same thing. did you fix it?

[rough kestrel]

Yeah, it means Monk should be fucking deleted so that SAM can finally get cool looking sets that arent ruined to suit Monk.

[gaunt star]

imagine having bad download speed

[tropic flint]

we need more glowy armor

[ashen wyvern]

Oof

[harsh nimbus]

I got 3 hours 😳

[cinder thunder]

Blm and ast got nice hydatos weapons but whm sch and smn kinda got shafted

[gaunt star]

Not quite the same but the scaevan staff is a glowy crystal

[cosmic condor]

PS4, ~3,7 GB Update

[visual spade]

hey yo YO what is this Leviathan thing

[trim linden]

leave my moink alone you barbarian

[harsh nimbus]

Unreal?

[gaunt star]

Unreal trial

[visual spade]

What is this unreal Leviathan thing hey, I got questions gee

[coral thicket]

all of the whm weapons except for anima and zodiac weapons are bad

[obsidian pagoda]

Try this FYI to fix the "failed version check":

• go to C:\Users<yourname>\Documents\My Games\FINAL FANTASY XIV - A Realm Reborn
• open the FFXIV_BOOT.cfg file in Notepad
• Set BootVersionCheckMode to 1
• restart FFXIV

[cinder thunder]

Nuuu I want the specific staff I mentioned. Its a gorgeous flower crystal that blooms when unsheathed. So clean and beautiful and fitting for holy magic

[fierce vigil]

So the downloads are up?

[balmy mesa]

hmm, that means either: it's compressed on PS4, or they're not getting the high-res UI as part of their client

[harsh nimbus]

Sync level 80 leviathan extreme

[terse mortar]

yes

[fast warren]

there's no new graphics engine, they just upscaled the UI

[gaunt star]

it wil be as bad in pf as it sounds

[terse mortar]

5.8 gb

[rough kestrel]

@balmy mesa 4K ui is PS5/PC only

[harsh nimbus]

God knows its gonna be awful

[sly bluff]

Thanks, i'll try again later

[gaunt star]

Can't believe a guy here really just said they should delete monk so I can get more weeb glams

[trim linden]

doesnt worry me I dont do high end stuff anymore

[amber spoke]

Just worked for me. If its not for someone else, maybe close launcher, wait 5 min, edit file, and try again

[obsidian gate]

hopefully they dont make the ninja weapon worse

[foggy coyote]

b-but i like mnk

[visual spade]

Are Unreal primals, like, new weapon chances?

[coral thicket]

no

[harsh nimbus]

No

[cinder thunder]

If Astro could get a black hole orb as a relic that would be awesome

[foggy coyote]

its sam we should delete

[cosmic condor]

What Virtus say. High-res UI is PS5/PC only

[visual spade]

What's the reward?

[trim linden]

second that

[coral thicket]

unreal primals are just extreme primals synced to 80

[harsh nimbus]

Its basically gacha when you think about it

[gaunt star]

the data is dropping wooooo

[crimson pollen]

where, son

[visual spade]

So just so you can play the fight the way it was supposed to be?

[balmy mesa]

ya, so the patch itself is huge

[coral thicket]

the reward is faux hollows

[junior pine]

textools is not happy rn lmao

[visual spade]

Can you at least farm ponies?

[amber spoke]

Wow, these files do indeed be huge

[harsh nimbus]

Yeah but as level 80. And no you cant

[fierce vigil]

I get the feeling they haven't properly configured the update file for everybody yet, so I'll try again in a few minutes.

[visual spade]

then wtf is the point

[coral thicket]

there are mounts yea

[harsh nimbus]

Faux hollows gives you certain things like certificates so you can get a mount its just usually a recolour

[trim linden]

ilol wait and expac then go back and get the gwibers later

[visual spade]

Just for shits and grins? Why make them only temporarily available?

[oak pike]

oh hey thats the mini game from automata

[coral thicket]

but it's not the same as the ones from ARR

[echo thicket]

I really didn't do unreal since it didn't provide any substantial aside from... Mounts?

[visual spade]

I mean, I've done stupid, dangerous things for mounts.

[outer turtle]

I pray that there will be Susano weapons. I invested more then I wanted to in his drop

[coral thicket]

https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Faux_Hollows

[harsh nimbus]

And the chance of getting said mounts in itself is pretty low

[wet mountain]

You can buy them if your rich

[echo thicket]

KOROSHI

[gaunt star]

faux commander.you can play minigame and when you get enough points get some mounts etc and sell them for big prices to people who like paying stupid amounts for mount reskins

[balmy mesa]

I wonder if it's possible to edit the FFXIV config without having to log into the game

[coral thicket]

hey Chie do you see anything regarding weapons?

[trim linden]

adit how

edit

[frozen bridge]

Any news on the new house?

[gaunt star]

Just checked ps4, 3.7GB download for anyone wondering

[harsh nimbus]

The exterior? Its gc/fc

[balmy mesa]

UiHighScale    0

hmm, this might be it?

[echo thicket]

Wonder if koroshi will be a trash boss in between . They did show the interior of the tower 🤔

[visual spade]

Heeeey, somebody likes Warhamm40k

https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/Construct_VI-S_Core

[frozen bridge]

Any idea on materials needed?

[harsh nimbus]

I dont recall if that was mentionned in the patch notes

[junior pine]

thought that was a Gundam reference, tbh

[carmine basin]

Would have to be datamined pr wait for game to be up

[gaunt star]

you can get the black version from winning 100 matches in onsail

[visual spade]

"The golem summoned by this core is painted red so it goes faster. Painting the core itself red, however, does not appear to offer any discernible benefit."

[obsidian pagoda]

Jaaaack

[visual spade]

Onsail? What is that?

[harsh nimbus]

Pvp

[echo thicket]

He big lol

[harsh shoal]

Same. I have like 95% of my DC stock stocked for like 2.5 months

[visual spade]

I haven't done PvP since ... Heavensward?

[fresh grail]

are those....mounts?

[dim sigil]

Oh no whispers in 14 now

[gaunt star]

frontline but the most agressive map

[amber spoke]

why's my dl time going up now, pls no

[versed hill]

WAIT DID I HEAR CRAFTED HADES WEPS??

[echo thicket]

So wait hold on 😅 they've shown 3 bosses . That , red girl and the two knights from nier

[carmine basin]

K time to go away from this channel since I don't want boss spoilers. Someone pls ping me for new mounts and minions ty

[fresh grail]

okay that makes more sense lol

[gaunt star]

wtf

[visual spade]

The knights will be first, then big guy, then girl, then secret

[obsidian pagoda]

Will do!

[echo thicket]

Koroshi is the 4th boss ?

[visual spade]

The secret is probably tragedy.

[grizzled star]

dearest dataminers, if you happen to see, i am looking to find out if the new dungeon set is dyeable

[gaunt star]

like if you want to farm kills for achievment onsail is best map.ive had 15 mins before one match everyone fighting mid igoring all the nodes

[carmine basin]

Thank you Velnica :pleading_face:

[versed hill]

dataminers can you see if its really hades weps? LOL

[obsidian pagoda]

Queen beast last boss, or the Flower maybe

[terse pendant]

stats for nier raid gear?

[visual spade]

There's no boss, I mean. You go into a room and just watch Yoko Taro slowly, methodically load a pistol and then shoot your dog. What's weird is, it's always your actual dog.

[terse mortar]

finished downloading 5.8gb patch didnt took as long as thought would lol

[dreamy zealot]

i heard theres a cruise chaser mount

[glad willow]

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE GLAMOUR