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#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
high swan
Honestly, i blame Wow for making me skip cutscenes
teal geyser
I just blame you
high swan
Dont 😦
Only 2 MMOs i played seriously are Wow and this
And as you know in wow its a race to max level
I brought that mentality to FF14 initially
teal geyser
The reason I blame you is because no way you didn't know this game was story focused
but whatever
spiral mica
the cool thing is, you can just go to an inn and watch all hte cutscenes again
spiral mica
true
teal geyser
At least you can NG+!
spiral mica
yep
spiral mica
thing is, how long were you skipping cutscenes?
high swan
Oh, i just realised you're on my server. I can even ask you in game in person too!
teal geyser
I don't mind
high swan
^^
teal geyser
I'd answer it whenever you ask
high swan
You're the best
teal geyser
what's your name?
high swan
@spiral mica I started to.....uh, stop? At Stormblood
teal geyser
<@!162595322944684032> I started to.....uh, stop? At Stormblood
duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude
spiral mica
so.......
high swan
By stop, i mean stop skipping
spiral mica
you know literally NOTHING about the main plot
teal geyser
fuck me
spiral mica
not one thing
high swan
So. From Stormblood i started following the plot closely
I didn't skip EVERYTHING
I watched voiced cutscenes and uh....
teal geyser
Who is Haurchefant?
high swan
Yeah ok
vernal haven
same tbh
teal geyser
okay
high swan
I forget who killed him, probably one of the Knights of the Church
teal geyser
Yep
brisk quail
He is a bastard son of Fortemps
teal geyser
Ser Zephirin
brisk quail
That's important too
high swan
I know alot of people love him and i never got that. But maybe now i get it. Cause i skipped loads of shit
teal geyser
I know alot of people love him and i never got that. But maybe now i get it. Cau...
...yeah
that's why
brisk quail
I know alot of people love him and i never got that. But maybe now i get it. Cau...
Well. He helped you
As soon as things went to shit
And trusted you wholly
high swan
iirc he was our first contact going into Foundation
teal geyser
Honestly Vic if you don't get something that's probably because you skipped it
high swan
Yeah, but im a changed man now
teal geyser
He was literally the single person who allowed you into Ishgard
torpid yoke
we dont get any of the cool abilities because gameplay stuff
teal geyser
after Ul'dah wanted you captured
torpid yoke
like aetheryte tax and such
high swan
Oh, we are running away from Ul'dah because we "killed" the Sultana
teal geyser
we got framed for it and yeah
tulip geyser
we dont get any of the cool abilities because gameplay stuff
Yeah Im aware of lolmmo stuff. The char is usually amazing at something or ignores stuff entirely cause gameplay. But were the pc a 'real' character I'm pretty sure they would give it a shot.
Even Zenos is better at it and he's Zenos
teal geyser
But yeah anyway what's your name? @high swan
high swan
Ishgard is the region, right? is the city really called Foundation?
torpid yoke
Thats because aulus studied the echo (inhumanely probably)
high swan
Yarra Dullahan
teal geyser
Foundation is just the name of that one part of Ishgard
high swan
teal geyser
Coerthas is the name of the region
high swan
Ah yes
torpid yoke
plus zenos actually thought to learn how to use it more
im still waiting till i can fuse with a primal/ summon >:/
vernal haven
coishgard
torpid yoke
cough cough ranjit job hack cough hack
vernal haven
founderthas
torpid yoke
brisk quail
Yeah. The scions/ysholta have a 'last stand' in the sewers of uldah. Yshtola makes the walls collapse and gets lost in the lifestream, and kinda dies. Thancred and co. all disappear and you run into the snow of Southern corthas.
Then Harchenfaunt, a friend you helped earlier, takes you in and since you're technically on Ishgardian turf, uldah/the crystal braves can't touch you. So Harchenfaunt looks into requesting house fortemps to take you into ishgard as that'd totally guarantee safety from Uldah
Meanwhile you stay and chat with Harchenfaunt as your whole world literally collapses around you
And you eventually make it into Ishgard and meet up with cool grandpa
At this point then you start helping Ishgard, in part to keep your standing with House Fortemps, avoid being suspicious by the church's standards so you don't get executed and stuff and other things.
high swan
Thanks
brisk quail
Most of the... affection for Harchenfaunt is like... mid 40s. 50s.
Where the inital quest for him starts
Where you meet him
And then he takes you in pre-HW
Tldr: he was the one dude who still believed you a hero when literally everything went to shit and was the only friend you know who was alive... and not imprisoned and managed to find you sanctuary in ishgard by talking with cool grandpa
vernal haven
do estinien now is an order im more than happy to oblige
dim sigil
Reverse that
teal geyser
Do Estinien now
Estinien TLDR: Edgy boy whose village and family got massacred by Nidhogg and spent his whole life on a quest of vengenance, kills Nidhogg, later becomes Nidhogg because eyes, later becomes himself and find peace and becomes weirdly fond of Nidhogg because he and the dragon have led very similar lives
craggy pawn
Edgestinien
high swan
Thats pretty epic
vernal haven
eggpic
spiral mica
hopefully Estinien does some absurdly overpowered stuff as a trust
torpid yoke
what do you consider over powered?
high swan
Calling Nidhog for a carpet bomb
maiden lodge
hopefully Estinien does some absurdly overpowered stuff as a trust
You mean like doing a dungeon in less than 40 minutes?
maiden lodge
bosses still run through 3 cycles to kill
torpid yoke
he does do more niddhogg stuff than midgardsormr stuff
oak pike
When I see red I just think of niddhogg stuff
gaunt star
my theory on how 6.0 will end.zenos kills zodiark because he wants the fight you and not have zodiark steal his glory.he probably kills them and somehow absorbs their power.then after you kick his ass you realise hydalen is not what you think and have to crush her too
paper dagger
I doubt you'll see Trusts in less than 30ish minutes. That's going to start pushing too much into replacing the actual duty finder too much
gaunt star
atleast with estenian even his single target is guranteed some aoe damage from dragoon skills
i also think gaius wil get killed off at some point.possibly saving wol in proccess and in dying breath ask you to destroy garlean empire or something
oak pike
Doesn’t g’rah aoe
Unless the weapons story line is require I don’t think he’s gonna die
Unless he dies at the end of the weapons story line
gaunt star
i doubt it
he has too much potential for garlemand story in 6.0
i mean who better to help you there than him and nero
and there's always the potential for nero to fuck us over because of his bitter rivalry with cid to get revenge
torpid yoke
revenge for?
oak pike
Nah Nero wouldn’t fuck is over tbh
oak pike
I still find it funny that gaius is not a prisoner but fordola is
torpid yoke
he's working out how to time travel before cid rn
gaunt star
ARR story.nero was always overshadowed by cid and didnt get the recognition he deserved by the empire
gaunt star
also gaius the most primal hating person in existance
i cant see us nothing helping us out
even if he gets an ironic death and kileld by ultimate primal zodiark
brisk quail
I mean gaius isn't a prisoner
But he has an edgy elezen blackmage prepping fire iv on him every minute
paper dagger
RE: Trust damage, as it was explained to me the characters AE and Single Target, but it doesn't matter. They coded it so the damage is consistent. Kinda like BLU mage 100 needles
heady shadow
there are plenty of times in history when some famous general or whatever helps the side they were fighting against after some awol.
paper dagger
So Even if they AE, it'll hit all the mobs for less damage
heady shadow
and usually they are left alive because mutual benifits
paper dagger
That was an intended mechanic to keep the Trust runs consistently less efficient than the average Duty Finder
gaunt star
trust damage scales up and down but it doesn't rubberband quite as hard as they imply
They basically have an "on-pace" rotation which is horribly slow and a "you're taking too long" rotation which is just regular slow
rain onyx
Yeah unless you do big pulls and do big damage Trusts generally clear dungeons right around the 25-30 minute mark.
dim sigil
I grinded by watching YouTube as trusts killed mobs
maiden lodge
I dislike that they punish you for playing better.
torpid yoke
how so?
maiden lodge
They do less damage if you do more.
dim sigil
Just wait until the game is dead and there's only trust
maiden lodge
So if you play better, you still don't accomplish anything
rain onyx
Yeah if you’re a DPS you could just pull mobs and then AFK until the next pull
maiden lodge
Now, normally, if you play better, your overall average experience in dungeons is smoother and better. But this means that the 'slow down' trusts give is higher--so they feel even worse than they would.
teal geyser
Yeah if you’re a DPS you could just pull mobs and then AFK until the next pull
Literally what I do
maiden lodge
It means bosses overstay their welcome--if you're used to a boss showing a given mechanic only once or twice, suddenly now you're going through it three or four times... and there's nothing you can do to speed that up.
dim sigil
I had a duty roulette run where the boss went through it like 5 times I don't know why i didnt leave
maiden lodge
I had a duty roulette run where the boss went through it like 5 times I don't kn...
Gross.
dim sigil
I feel like I was the only one that actually attacking
torpid yoke
It means bosses overstay their welcome--if you're used to a boss showing a given...
if you want a faster experience play with actual people
maiden lodge
if you want a faster experience play with actual people
Obviously.
I don't mind Trusts being slower than with people. I mind when my personal participation is undone such that they're more slower for me than they would be for others.
oak pike
I just view trust as Par time for dungeons at this point
pine epoch
I hope 6.0 they change trust AI to function better the better you play rather than picking up the slack of a shit player
oak pike
Trust damage scale gonna remain the same honestly
pine epoch
Reason I never went back and grinded trust after finishing msq was cause I felt it was a waste of time if the trust arent going to. You know. Do better unless you suck. Cause I could use that playtime to do something else like farm a savage or ex mount
vernal haven
i mean the whole idea is that trusts are never competitive with players to try and keep the queues active while offering people a slower alternative that helps during periods of bad queue times, the main ballache with trusts was having to level them all for the flex but i mean
optional
oak pike
Like trusts are there and it’s gonna hit a target time range if you’re playing good or not
pine epoch
The optimal method when playing with trust is to afk. Hell you could automate this make a macro bot that moves you forward (which I dont advocate) and just let the trust do all the work while you go watch youtube or make a sandwich
vernal haven
trust are great when you're hammered as fuck and don't want to grief people 
i mean you could do that sure
oak pike
Just like how people afk prae
vernal haven
i honestly don't care what people do with their trusts
pine epoch
I do trust for the first time through a dungeon just to see the npc dialogue then every other time I go with players
oak pike
Like trusts are fine where they are at with their intentions
vernal haven
im fine with trusts yeah
vernal haven
i mean i think i'd rather trusts were kinda shitty
if they were good people would only use them
vernal haven
ffxiv duty finder reminds of going to the zoo
sometimes its fun to see chimps flinging shit
oak pike
🐒
pastel coyote
sometimes its fun to see chimps flinging shit
vernal haven
i've seen a duty finder with multiple apes
i dont think it made them strong
it made them dead
which, to be fair, might make them stronger
high swan
Go all the way
Savage and Ultimate Squads
Play the whole game for me
I got better things to be doing anyway
floral aurora
I hope this new raid is awesome, because I want to beat Lahabrea Savage xD
gaunt star
The only reasonably complex connection I can make with the shirts that Yoshida wore were that they might reference his new weapon and/or the class. The only way I can think of deriving a name from this theory is the fact that Zenos repeatedly refers to himself hunting prey so maybe Hunter...? I am trying my best to make a connection that comes up with a solution for a name.
floral aurora
Long as the new dps is fun, that's all i care about xD
gaunt star
Yeah I just can't control myself when it comes to speculating
high swan
How is Zenos going to beat us anyway
Since we dont get echo headaches anymore
He's done for
floral aurora
Fists, Daggers, Swords, Spears, and scythes. What could be next?
somber storm
Bigger sword
floral aurora
Dark Knight
gaunt star
There's also a Hammer
gaunt star
I wouldn't compare them too closely because there are plenty of staff weapons
somber storm
Sword bigger than drk
gaunt star
It would be pretty cool to have heavy weapon on a dps
somber storm
2 big swords
gaunt star
chosen undead
floral aurora
Long as I get a lightsaber like that
gaunt star
not that it matters because dragoons jump the size of skyscrapers
unique verge
If Manderville can jump to the moon, no reason why we cant
floral aurora
More jumps for Mario!
gentle wharf
Since we dont get echo headaches anymore
I've not beat ShB yet, but I take it this is a thing in it?
If so that's awesome
gentle wharf
I ain't worried about spoilers
high swan
I did nothing wrong bro
gentle wharf
You sound sus bro
teal geyser
well
high swan
Where in the game are you?
brisk quail
Those aren't echo headaches. The sound is diffrent
teal geyser
also btw Vic you realise that like, the headaches and the ability to fight Zenos is kinda unrelated right? @high swan
Not like they stopped us when beating Zenos before
teal geyser
See like, literally anything
brisk quail
Bozja is the last one I can think of off the top of my head
It's not a thing we 'get over'
It's our power
teal geyser
Uhh
high swan
Didn't we get our asses saved in the first zeno fight
we blacked out and someone saved us?
Hien?
teal geyser
Vic
There is several things wrong with that
A) that wasn't Zenos, just his body
B) that wasn't our first fight with Zenos
C) Estinien
Even if you count that as a Zenos fight that'd be the 4th time we fight
But that's an Elidibus fight anyway tbh since that's who was in that body
torpid yoke
of convience
brisk quail
When someone gets very emotional. We get to glimpse at the memory or context of that situation
torpid yoke
but the echo decides when its convient
somber storm
Now who is Patrick?
orchid slate
I hope I'm not the only one who might think this but I feel like the ship might be our main city hub for Endwalker?
balmy mesa
That would mix things up a bit I think
Just have the ship parked in orbit of the moon
dull lake
Now that no one is ocuppyng the arcanist class, is it time for Tataru to shine?
We need a Tataru expansion
tulip geyser
With how the world might be on fire a mobile hub sounds awesome for storytelling too
balmy mesa
Now that no one is ocuppyng the arcanist class, is it time for Tataru to shine?
what if she becomes the new melee DPS
she has to get back money that's owed to her after all 
and/or shake down unsuspecting adventurers to bankroll the scions' exploits
pulsar yacht
tataru's signature skill: death by 1000 paper cuts 
somber storm
balmy mesa
Rowena and her stalls
we're gonna have to pay her for the fuel to keep that thing running aren't we.
left lynx
if we're going to Garlemald in Endwalker, I wonder if this means we'll finally get armor like the Garleans in ARR
tulip geyser
if we're going to Garlemald in Endwalker, I wonder if this means we'll finally g...
Depends on how much of it is left I suppose
left lynx
we get Allagan gear out of 5000 year old ruins just fine, I'm sure Cid can fix us up some magitek armor
gaunt star
Isnt the new bozja gear basically garlean armor?
pine epoch
It's the judge armor from FF12
Which inspired the garleans
But they aren't the same
heady shadow
the dps ends up being a dual weapon job, weapons will be like gabranths from ff12
mwhahahaha
floral aurora
Lets hope SE makes all happy in May
floral aurora
I'm sold on Sage so far but we'll see about this new dps
heady shadow
fuck them
floral aurora
😂
floral aurora
Yeah I'm on the hype train xD
floral aurora
Not the salt train
balmy mesa
but I'm hoping this means that SCH gets some fixes
tulip geyser
If AST is losing noct, may I please have a lot more space themed fun to make up for it
floral aurora
I'm hoping AST gets a complete rework. AST should not be a boring job by any means
Its a dealer job
Come on SE
tulip geyser
Yeah play up the space and fortune teller angles to the hilt
floral aurora
Yeah I want them to think more outside the box with that job
boreal forge
Just make the ast predict who will cause a wipe looking at the stars so that person would avoid automatically that mechanic, and there would be no wipe
I see it
regal lantern
For 6.0, the maiming job would have been better if it was a dual wielding Judge job
Scythe is good but Judge would have been more... fitting?
We could even say it is an art from Ilsabard, somewhere on the Southern ends
I still am clueless where the Scythe job could be from
Thavnair? Ul'Dah/Thanalan? Golmore?
somber storm
Probably something Zenos whipped up
pine epoch
I bet the dps job unlock quest will either be ul dah or gridania
Surprise us
Its in coerthas central
In dragonhead
Or mor dhonna
regal lantern
Mor Dhona or Dragonhead would be nice
balmy mesa
you know, dual-wielding brings up an interesting thing
somber storm
Hingashi
somber storm
Level 70 start though
unique verge
Yeah but they'll never put it behind MSQ progression again
somber storm
Oh yeah
unique verge
I still remain optimistic that it isnt a scythe job
dense kite
balmy mesa
dual-wielding, what if they let us do MH and OH like with PLD?
regal lantern
I still remain optimistic that it isnt a scythe job
Your reasoning being? And what is it you suspect the hint is towards?
Since the hints are usually pretty straight forward
unique verge
I'm not certain what the hint is towards, but i dont believe it to be hinting at a scythe job, for a variety of reasons, such as "it'll feel too samey with DRK/DRG", "the thing in the trailer is not really able to be confirmed to be anything", "a scythe is already available as a weapon in-game via mogstation", "DRK is the closest we are likely to ever come to a 'evil aligned' job and most Scythe based job names people are throwing around are further than DRK", etc.
somber storm
Lawnmower man
regal lantern
I'm not certain what the hint is towards, but i dont believe it to be hinting at...
"it'll feel too samey with DRK/DRG"
I mean that never stopped SE from making jobs.
"the thing in the trailer is not really able to be confirmed to be anything"
The trailer is not really the major hint, it is an addition but not a primary tell.
"a scythe is already available as a weapon in-game via mogstation"
We also had gunblades in Mogstation for a long time.
"DRK is the closest we are likely to ever come to a 'evil aligned' job and most Scythe based job names people are throwing around are further than DRK"
Scythe/Reaper/Necro doesn't have to be a evil-aligned job.
The reason people think it's a scythe is primarily because:
- The T-shirts, both at the announcement and again at the 5.5 live letter.
- Scythe sort of goes with a Reaper/Death themed job, however, it can also be a job that has the concept of beating death rather than enforcing it.
- The hints via T-shirts are always a very straight forward thing and never something players have to research deep into with theories to find out. From Scarlet Witch (Red Mage), Samu Raimi's Spiderman movie (Spiderman), 007(MCH/gun job), things are always a bit too straight forward with Yoshi P.
As for what the hint is towards, I'll let you decide
regal lantern
Well you said you don't know what the hint is about
regal lantern
"I'm not certain what the hint is towards"
?
unique verge
Yes, as in, i dont know what the hint is attempting to convey
other than i dont agree with 'scythe job'
regal lantern
Lol that's why I sent the picture, like what do you think a death reaper is trying to show?
A templer? lol
unique verge
We'll know soon enough anyway.
tropic frigate
the biggest thing to confuse us is that some shirts were pretty simple and some were more in depth
regal lantern
I knew you'd say that
tropic frigate
it shows that they will go that far
regal lantern
But he explicitly said on that Fan Fest "I really like the Spiderman movies by Samu Raimi (sam raimi)" hence Samurai
tropic frigate
even though the second shirt he wore in live letter has nothing else besides the front?
for most recent LL
regal lantern
It's a children of Bodom tshirt
tropic frigate
yea
regal lantern
with the follow the reaper album cover
tropic frigate
and probably dont even need to know the song either
its simply the same as the first
regal lantern
This one
unique verge
I looked into the image at the time and it appears to just be some art the band commissioned but never used as album art
they used it for a poster iirc
but not album art
regal lantern
They often used reaper as their image
It's a death metal band at that, so people saying "rock band tshirts" are also... wrong
Sex Pistol was punk, not rock
unique verge
smh i had to have that argument earlier
someone tried to say Children of Bodom was a "hardcore punk" band. I laughed hard at that one.
craggy gale
for what it's worth i hope it's music themed so no one has to level archer to 30 exclusively to unlock performance ever again
unique verge
Another reason im skeptical on the Reaper connection
is that it doesnt fit visually with what we know for a fact - its a Maiming job
high swan
Define maiming job
unique verge
Okay, but the ones on his shirts absolutely do not
unique verge
Define maiming job
The same armor token that DRG uses. So heavy armor, usually a recolor or modification of the Fending set.
regal lantern
There you go, it works
tropic frigate
it all depends on how big or heavy the scythe looks and it can always work
although sometimes things just dont fit
aiming sets on a dancer can look weird
regal lantern
True
high swan
Yeah, i think the class themes are losing traction
Samurai should probably be a maiming class. More heavily armoured
regal lantern
Eh... no?
tropic frigate
i can see that
doesnt it look more heavy in 11?
and wasnt it a tank or something
while drk was a dps?
high swan
regal lantern
There is a certain aspect of samurai to be heavily armoured but its not necessarily always heavily armoured
brisk quail
They haven't confirmed.
But... I'd say... Gridania.
Possibly a connection to voidsent, Edda, PotD...
brisk quail
No.
strange summit
Well hello there
brisk quail
They've been pretty set in their ways since HW
pulsar yacht
Inb4 rhgars reach for new melee since have to be lv 70 to unlock
spiral wagon
^
spiral wagon
thats cus llimsa didnt have two classes unlocked there
they only had the 1 and that was dancer
strange summit
Because they can't use Sharlayan for Sage yet
spiral wagon
now each city has two classes (not including BLU)
teal geyser
Even then Oograth literally not making it a starting city is really fucking stupid
spiral wagon
it still be a nice change of pace
brisk quail
I agree with @teal geyser
teal geyser
There is a fucking reason nobody likes the HW job requirements
spiral wagon
spice things up
teal geyser
NO ONE
spiral wagon
:(
teal geyser
NO ONE would want to have to do the base game AND first expansion to even get access to a job
And even then it's 70 so you might need to level even further to get it
teal geyser
MSQ locked jobs is something they are never going to do again for really fucking obvious reasons and I'm kind of even mad you WANT this requirement locking
spiral wagon
well sorry i want a job questline not Start take place in the main areas
brisk quail
They don't.
Dancer takes place in a myriad of places
Same with like 80% of jobs
And even then. Being in a starting city is beneficial for the servers
As they allocate more load for those instances
If you have 1000000 people load into some random zone to get a job it'll be hell
brisk quail
Even then... outside places require MSQ progress
spiral wagon
yes as cal mentioned
spiral wagon
alright hows this.
brisk quail
After it was so heatedly repeated to them?
brisk quail
That's how most Job quests work. Usally goes into the current expac.
Like RDM
Starts in uldah.
Goes to mordhona
Hangs out in both SB and HW
teal geyser
RDM could do it because at least they had two sections, the starting questline in the 50-60 and then they could do expansion stuff
brisk quail
And then the special ones at every 10 levels
teal geyser
They'll do the inital like... 5 for lore
Yeah some sort of 70-80 stuff
brisk quail
Yeah
Because this job NEEDS lore
It has alot going on
That needs explaining and or mentioning
oh yeah this is sharlayan magic mixed with allagan and ironwork tech, fancy huh?
Done.
teal geyser
"it's a mecha ya?"
somber storm
Wakka
brisk quail
What a great youtube video... Wakka being unhappy with Al Bhed for 11 minutes straight
balmy mesa
oh god that gif 
balmy mesa
Filthy Machina
Filthy, or filthy machina? 
teal geyser
Filthy, or _filthy_ machina? <a:5_Hmmhm:587069961500098560>
Yes
somber storm
Wakka's ex was more satisfied with a machina
tight horizon
honestly was hoping that the new class would be "throw shit at monsters" - a la wakka/yuffie. Could be a boomerang, could be a ball, doesnt matter. Just yeet at em
balmy mesa
would need to be ranged DPS in that case
it'd be cool though
but it's kinda like what DNC already does
throw shit at people while being fabulous
strange wing
Grand Wizard Wakka was a magical moment
gaunt star
Wakka as a character hasn’t aged well for me but I haven’t played X in years so idk if he got his arc completed
gaunt star
Fuck you got a point there XD
viscid monolith
Wakka's character is perfect. Always has been always will be.
cinder badger
@viscid monolith Wakka is what Fozzy Bear says on the Muppet Show
I always found it a little funny how in Final Fantasy 10 they gave you a dialogue option to tell Lulu that she's more your type
And then she makes mention of adding you to her list
teal geyser
Racist Wakka best Wakka
forest magnet
viscid monolith
I guess people didn't use it enough?
somber storm
don't worry, we have gif form
craggy pawn
I really hope they add some kind of tutorial for class boosts in 6.0.
Tho thats no gonna help much
teal geyser
you don't pay their sub @craggy pawn
ornate coral
anyone know when preorder will be available?
open verge
Around may imo
teal geyser
^ probably
scenic sun
Wait i missed the Wakka topic
gaunt star
dim sigil
Wakka was pretty necessary as it gave us a good window into how people generally feel about the Al Bhed having that be a party member isn't something that you could get from npcs
exotic copper
Hammer job
strange wing
Tidus: "Wakka, why is your facebook profile an iron cross?"
cursive hedge
what do we think the ilevel will be for the starter gear set? Like 500?
brisk quail
what do we think the ilevel will be for the starter gear set? Like 500?
For what?
cursive hedge
endwalker
brisk quail
I mean if base GNB gear is... 255
Wait...
No it'd be 5 below tome
385 if it starts at 70
So Aug scaven would still be better
cursive hedge
thinking about how worth it it is to get cryptlurker set for endwalker
brisk quail
It'd be easy and well worth it
Because as soon as END hits
It's all poetic purchaseable
Including augment
Honestly... I'd buy what you can now (like accesories) if you aren't raiding/BIS chasing
Then wait for END and buy the remaining pieces
cursive hedge
ah yeah I forgot about that
cursive hedge
I can't really do the savage raids anymore cause I'm too far behind, but I still feel like playing
theyre removing belt?
brisk quail
soft gyro
belts are worthless
soft gyro
less materia slots tho
cursive hedge
they might balance around it to make other items stronger/more expensive with tomes?
soft gyro
they gonna add a feature where you can accidentally loose your pants
flat merlin
Lmao
brisk quail
blm one handed caster
Cudgel time
rain onyx
Lulu Primal incoming
dim sigil
Jokes on you my pants are always loose
spiral wagon
in 6.0 maybe we will get a cid outfit change?
mint axle
I'm betting the 2nd trial for endwalker will be Lunar Bahamut, and third trial will be Zodiark.
orchid slate
Has there been any new information for 6.0?
orchid slate
I've been passively trying to find supposed tweets from a member of the FFXIV team that apparently gave another hint to what the new melee class is but the apparent tweet has been 404'd and the source can't supply the link to said, deleted tweet to view the meta data or something or another.
woven escarp
anyone who leaked something out of sequence has been quietly erased from existence
SE killed all their NA QA team because of blufevr
orchid slate
Holy shit REALLY!?
woven escarp
"planned cutbacks" affecting support staff in NA
which was announced shortly after someone from inside SE leaked a ton of details about stormblood
and blue mage
orchid slate
That's funny so there's no NA relations anymore
Well that's one way to fix a leak, just cut it from the source.
woven escarp
ye
that's why there's been less noise around fanfest this year, only CBU3 knows anything
rough kestrel
orchid slate
I kinda understand why JP never wants to have any joint companies with NA but god damn it just keeps getting worse
heady shadow
it sucks tbh. because its really just the actions of the few that end up messing it up for everyone
but then you look at sony thats deliberately being shitheads but meh
pine epoch
Sony has a shit head in a position that gives them room to look at state of play and any press conference
And leak all the info
balmy mesa
like what happened with the ps5 open beta?
pine epoch
Ye
The person leaked all the games for the ps5 conference
Their still employed
And leaked info about 7R ps5 and yuffie dlc
woven escarp
HD yuffie 😌
pine epoch
Like I know some people really like leaks cause it gives them a look into games that are so dead quiet. But. I honestly find leaks to be such a fucking insult
I may be somewhat of a hypocrite
Since I like looking at datamine info
woven escarp
¯_(ツ)_/¯
I don't care about leaks but it's easy to forget about a game if you don't hear anything about it for a while
like you want to put a little bait in the water to keep people interested
maiden lodge
That's funny so there's no NA relations anymore
Before people go cray, CBU3 does use america QR before release.
I know it's fun to meme that 14 doesn't like to use american anything or have thme involved in anything but it's not true. People need to get their facts straight before they start being upset about things.
woven escarp
yeah
they just fired everyone in QA at the time because they didn't know who blufevr was
and they knew he was in the NA team
thin crypt
when we get to the moon
balmy mesa
wtf is that from
elder moth
wtf is that from
Final Fantasy: Spirits Within
balmy mesa
god damn I love the idle camera in FFXIV sometimes
like having the camera focus on two naked hyurs tied up with zero context whatsoever
heady shadow
spirits within... classic movie for those who like it.
maiden lodge
spirits within... classic movie for those who like it.
Found Max Caufield.
heady shadow
though if it dropped the FF in its name it would been better
maiden lodge
though if it dropped the FF in its name it would been better
What do you mean? It's classic final fantasy! It's 90 minutes just to teach the moral of the story: Holy deals 2x damage to undead
heady shadow
and big corpos bad?
and almost never trust almost all characters voiced by james woods?
balmy mesa
lol
maiden lodge
and almost never trust almost all characters voiced by james woods?
James Woods was going through a phase ok
heady shadow
ye
woven escarp
zeus cannon is one of the best FF songs
dim sigil
It's still a bad movie even without ff name
balmy mesa
speaking of cinematics
I'm hoping we get a proper 4K cinematic for Endwalker
artifacting of the title movie in ShB's pretty bad
lol, the sineater in that video looks kind of like Zenos
but obviously can't be
balmy mesa
lol
regal lantern
Okay so here's my theory for what's up with Fandaniel, and very likely how he may have a redemption arc if SE continues the method they did throughout 5.0
So we have been gaining victories over Ascians left and right and if I remember right, Fandaniel shows up in 5.1, way after the fall of Emet Selch. What if he isn't some wannabe Kefka but rather truly someone who lost all and any hope of ever bringing back Amaurot. Maybe of the Convocation, he was the weakest (in strength) and he knows he can never fix things anymore, that WoL's victory is inevitable. No one relied on Elidibus to fix things, not even Emet, Elidibus is merely a shadow of what he is, a shade, not unlike Nidhogg's shade. Actually, the very same, albeit instead of a shade of rage, this is a shade of obsession and dutifulness.
So Fandaniel, realising there's no hope for Amaurot, decided "if I can't have my family back, this world has no purpose to continue." after all, to them we are merely micro organisms. Even the planet is fragmented, nothing is how it was. So in grief and rage, he went "I will just destroy it all just like you destroyed us!"
So rather than a crazy lunatic, in 6.0 we will see someone who lost all hope and lived his last days just waiting to die, hence he doesn't care if Zenos kills him or not
dim sigil
Aren't they effectively the same person
maiden lodge
No.
dim sigil
It's just he's inhabiting a different body
maiden lodge
No.
That's not what a Paragon of the Shard is.
A Paragon of the Shard is someone 1) native to one of the Reflections who 2) perferred to be, but not always, is a reincarnation of the original Convocation members at the summoning of Zodiark, and who 3) has Emet-selch yeet what memories he could of that original member into their brain.
gaunt star
I think he probably hates his superiors because all his creations are fucked up shit so they kicked him out only to revive him when they literally had no other choice
dim sigil
Don't they get the crystal thing and then their memories of the original person is put inside them
maiden lodge
Don't they get the crystal thing and then their memories of the original person ...
Yeah, what memories Emet-selch can.
dim sigil
So in a sense they're the same person
maiden lodge
But... that doesn't always lead to perfect loyalty.
dim sigil
Yeah they are just memories after all
maiden lodge
And no, it doesn't mean they're the same person. See Gaia.
tulip geyser
THere are probably little reminders to who they were
Like Mitron and Loghrif's draw to one another
dim sigil
I see gaia as the same, just this gaia had a diff life
tulip geyser
The PC's love of wandering
maiden lodge
I see gaia as the same, just this gaia had a diff life
that makes them different people
Gaia is a different person with different beliefs and experiences to Lohgrif, and Mitron is trying to remove those experiences and beliefs from Gaia.
dim sigil
I mean yeah but it's still the same soul
maiden lodge
Same soul, but not the same person
next quarry
Us and azem
maiden lodge
Us and Ardbert.
next quarry
Yea
maiden lodge
same soul, or in the case of PotShards, fragments of the same soul != same person
That's the other thing--Fandaniel doesn't even have the same soul as the original, he's got a tiny fragment of it. There's someone on the Source he's more Fandaniel than Fandaniel is.
balmy mesa
do we know for sure that Fandaniel is an Ascian, rather than some nutjob disguising himself as one?
Like yeah he does his emblem thing
maiden lodge
do we know for sure that Fandaniel is an Ascian, rather than some nutjob disguis...
Cause he has the name of a council member, has Ascian powers, identifies as an Ascian, and knows of the inner workings of them.
regal lantern
That Fandaniel wasn't there.
What do you mean?
gaunt star
ok but are we sure shadowhunter is gaius 🤔
next quarry
No it's ||Ranjit||
woven escarp
they never really did mention how gaius managed to get so many scalps
balmy mesa
I should rephrase, could you see a twist like that coming with him?
gaunt star
cuz he has STRENGTH BEFITTING A RULER
woven escarp
I wonder if that will become important now that we only have fandaniel left to worry about
regal lantern
Oh wait, Kawaiian means that this is not the same person as the whole Fandaniel. Yes true.
balmy mesa
walks like an Ascian, talks like an Ascian, but might not be an Ascian
maiden lodge
What do you mean?
This really needs to be pinned.
Paragons of the Shards can't have been pre-sundering because they'd be native to the Source. Because Fandaniel is not native to the Source he must have come after the Sundering. If he came after the Sundering, he came after Zodiark's summoning.
He cannot have been there.
maiden lodge
Oh wait, Kawaiian means that this is not the same person as the whole Fandaniel....
Yes that.
Sorry if I got a bit ruffled in my response--I've had people literally assert he's the exact same guy
woven escarp
he literally says he's a sundered
which makes him a second class citizen in the ascian hierarchy
nobody in the convocation gives a shit about him
regal lantern
But I never did say this is the same person, this is just my theory on how he will be shown to not be an actual bad person. That’s he’s actually good, and not some wannabe Kefka
maiden lodge
nobody in the convocation gives a shit about him
Everyone in the convocation, now, is sundered.
woven escarp
well, that's because we killed the last unsundered
balmy mesa
Lahabrea is a big question mark cos of the raid coming up
woven escarp
but my point was that fandaniel isn't an original
anyone who's like "but what if he wasn't" is ignoring tier 1 canon
tulip geyser
Only three of them were original anyhow
maiden lodge
But I never did say this is the same person, this is just my theory on how he wi...
The point is though, he can't miss a family he hasn't had.
tulip geyser
And this particular Fandaniel seems to have been a problem child in general
maiden lodge
Though, make that 'he's from the Seventh or another shard that was Rejoined'
woven escarp
fandaniel has been trying to die for ages and the unsundered didn't let him
now that he's free from their threats he's just going to kill everyone because he wants to die
maiden lodge
Fandaniel: "I just want to die."
Emet-selch: "Mood."
woven escarp
his plan is probably engineered to fail specifically so someone will come and kill him
regal lantern
Why can’t he just die alone then lol
balmy mesa
Though, make that 'he's from the Seventh or another shard that was Rejoined'
ahh that reminds me, when are they gonna throw the brick that's unukalhai?
tulip geyser
I think he's lying. Sure he may want to die, but its more important to drag everyone else with him because thats what the thing-in-the-planet wanted
gaunt star
He's going back to the void
maiden lodge
ahh that reminds me, when are they gonna throw the brick that's unukalhai?
Last patch, please look forwardbackward to it.
gaunt star
See void quests
woven escarp
there's a lot of "uh... ignore that waves hand frantically" in XIV lore
dim sigil
Why can’t he just die alone then lol
balmy mesa
See void quests
That's the stuff that's locked behind Ravana Ex etc?
gaunt star
Yes
woven escarp
unukalhai 😔
maiden lodge
That's the stuff that's locked behind Ravana Ex etc?
Two easily soloable Exs and a bunch of unlock quests.
balmy mesa
well, looks like I'm gonna rock that thok
regal lantern
I’ll be honest
maiden lodge
And the role quests of course
dim sigil
To me though that makes no sense one could easily Miss family they never had they have been given many memories of it
balmy mesa
I've already done all the role quests, just not the ex trials
gaunt star
Fandaniel is just Kuja
woven escarp
I thought the ex primals were independent of meeting unukalhai
maiden lodge
You only need Rav and Bis Ex, the rest are unlocks and you're golden
woven escarp
only that you had to do the HM warring triad
maiden lodge
I thought the ex primals were independent of meeting unukalhai
You definately need Rav and Bis Ex.
balmy mesa
okay, so I'm gonna have a whale of a time rocking that thok around the clock
woven escarp
I'm about 95% certain I never did bismarck ex
tulip geyser
I think since the sundered ascians arent necessarily tempered since they werent there at the summoning (though they may be devout, see Nabriales) I think whatever made the Sound has gotten to Fandaniel instead
woven escarp
I know I did ravana ex for the first time on blue mage two weeks ago
maiden lodge
Because unlike the Warring Triad, the two primals are required to complete the quests that are prerequisites
Previous quest The Diabolical Bismarck
Thok Around the Clock
A Fiendish Likeness
A Deific Simulacrum
A Demonic Duplicate
Safekeeping
woven escarp
🤔
there must be another quest then
I know unukalhai has been in the waking sands for ages
maiden lodge
Rising Stones, and yeah.
tulip geyser
Oh hey
maiden lodge
I mean, go talk to Cyella in the First and see what prereqs you're missing
tulip geyser
Does the end of 6.0 mean we're gonna move bases again, do you think?
woven escarp
I already finished the shadowkeeper quest with cyella
I bet the next scion base is in garlemald
maiden lodge
I already finished the shadowkeeper quest with cyella
Okay, but The Hero's Journey.
She has another one.
balmy mesa
I loved the role quests in ShB
balmy mesa
not the first dumpster fire we've lived in tho
maiden lodge
not the first dumpster fire we've lived in tho
kinda would be
gaunt star
There have been at least two moon settlements: the Crystal Palace and Fort Lune in the past
woven escarp
rhalgr's reach is pretty shit
maiden lodge
rhalgr's reach is pretty shit
Our base is the Ruby Bazaar.
woven escarp
hope you like sand, my guys
gaunt star
Roach reach is the worst hub in the game
woven escarp
that's the doman base 😔
balmy mesa
idyllshire is kinda annoying, if only because the fucking hinterlands don't have aetherytes
maiden lodge
Our bases have been, respectively, The Waking Sands, the RIsing Stones, Fortemps Manor, the Ruby Bazaar, and the entire whole Crystarium
balmy mesa
They could do something nuts by going "alright, idyllshire is your base"
but that's in a bullshit location anyway
woven escarp
not as annoying as the sea of clouds having both aetherytes on the same side of the map
so there's no fuckin benefit to using one over the other
maiden lodge
so there's no fuckin benefit to using one over the other
I mean, there is if you don't have flying yet.
woven escarp
"here's this huge ass fuckin map, but both teleport locations are right next to each other"
balmy mesa
not as annoying as the sea of clouds having both aetherytes on the same side of ...
it's like when they put in the extra aetheryte in for Azim Steppe
maiden lodge
Or you're there for beast tribes as opposed to fucking around
woven escarp
having ok'gundu out on the east end of the map at least gives you more coverage
putting it right next to cloudtop is redundant
balmy mesa
cos they realised it was in the middle of fuck off nowhere and they shoved the beast tribe there
maiden lodge
putting it right next to cloudtop is redundant
like there's shit you want to do on the east side of the map at all
woven escarp
beast tribe shit takes you all over the map
but you gotta fly there once you get the quests
balmy mesa
In terms of BT, I think what they did for qitari and dwarves in terms of distance from aetheryte was pretty good
maiden lodge
but you gotta fly there once you get the quests
You gotta fly to the beast tribe anyways
woven escarp
yeah, but you could have put it on the east end of the map so you could teleport between the two aetherytes instead of spending 8 minutes flying corner to corner
balmy mesa
HW zones were done with some... questionable design decisions which they've mercifully taken out back and shot
woven escarp
yeah
can you just fly up into neverreap and do a quest, then down into wisenbent and do a quest
maiden lodge
Sea of Clouds is a zone that's really awesome until you get the whole map
balmy mesa
sadly it's ruined by moogles
woven escarp
so many Z axis changes
balmy mesa
Oh wait, churning mists*
maiden lodge
sadly it's ruined by moogles
No that's Churning Mists
But Sea of Clouds is still better to navigate then CWH or Azys Lla
balmy mesa
Could you imagine if they were in Sea of Clouds?
CWH is fine to navigate
It's just a slog
maiden lodge
'What you want is on the other end of the map and there's only one aetheryte in the corner go fuck yourself'
woven escarp
yeah
balmy mesa
ha, dusk vigil
woven escarp
they could have at least put an aetheryte on the fuckin flagship
balmy mesa
flagship?
in CWH they could've put one where that little town is, in the middle of the map
Dravania Hinterlands, probably one near the centre
On the bright side at least Azys Lla let you get flying pretty early
woven escarp
that's because azys lla is a guided tour, you need flying so they just force it on you through an easy MSQ
if azys lla was like a regular zone it would be miserable
like tempest REEE
maiden lodge
in CWH they could've put one where that little town is, in the middle of the map
The flip side--there is one there.
It's wrecked.
maiden lodge
Also destroyed by the weather
viral hawk
Hey all. Just curious, did they say anything about vieras/lionmen getting more hairs and hats in the new expac?
woven escarp
ah, I forgot this meme from 5.0, can't wait for the 6.0 patch notes to make it relevant again
tulip geyser
Replace that WHM with SGE and you'll be right
woven escarp
well, who knows if sage will be good
it looks cool but that doesn't mean it'll be good
tulip geyser
Wont play it myself but people do like the lazorshow
woven escarp
reminder that ast sucked shit for months in 3.0 until they super buffed it
tulip geyser
Yes cause I was and still am one of them lol
dim sigil
Ast is getting a big rework isnt it
woven escarp
ast is getting turned into a throughput healer like whm
so there will be two barrier healers and two raw healers
balmy mesa
I just want my boy SCH back 😭
woven escarp
so rip noct stance
tulip geyser
Yeah, and I hope without Noct- not that I disliked noct, I started healing in MMOs as a Disc priest- the job can have more of its own stuff instead of being "kinda WHM" "kinda SCH" "good ogcd tho"
woven escarp
I mean, the only time you used noct is if you had two asts lmao
or if you really felt like pissing away MP
tulip geyser
Especially after Neutral became a thing
balmy mesa
I suspect that noct stance will still exist, they'll just rework it to fit the class identity
tulip geyser
But I hate pets so never got into SCH
balmy mesa
like diurnal would favour cheaper heals that are pretty good on MP, have regen etc, noct would have the big beefy oGCD heals that can do party wide
woven escarp
maybe noct becomes a supercharged healing output stance
yeah
noct used to have a 20% healing buff on it to make barriers stronger
but it also made spells way more expensive so 🤔
balmy mesa
yeah
like say, you want Medica II? The equivalent would be noct
- single target regen: diurnal
- party wide regen: noct
tulip geyser
Will just have to wait and see I guess
woven escarp
yeah, especially since whm has a barrier OGCD too
balmy mesa
I think they might still keep that, somehow
like as a kind of "oh shit" button
the reverse could be true for the barrier healers
tulip geyser
Yeah probably cause theres always "Well what if barrier healer is ded, tho" moments
balmy mesa
yeah, especially in raids
dammit, accidentally let my aussie slip and ended up having a reply auto-deleted, haha
maiden lodge
or if you really felt like pissing away MP
Or if you exist as a healer in the ogcd model and you're doing content that requires an area wide shield and your other healer is a WHM which has a shit AoE healing suite in an ogcd model.
Cause there's only two raid wide aoe shields in ogcds--Consolation, and Nocturnal Celestial Opposition
pure thorn
balmy mesa
Or if you exist as a healer in the ogcd model and you're doing content that requ...
this is why I hated leveling WHM til around 60 or so tbh
viscid monolith
First few weeks of prog you use noct
maiden lodge
this is why I hated leveling WHM til around 60 or so tbh
It's not like you get anything after Asylum.
maiden lodge
First few weeks of prog you use noct
mmmmhmmm
viscid monolith
Then everyone has better gear and you go back to Diurnal
maiden lodge
And after that it doesn't heckin matter
balmy mesa
The heals were beefy, but I preferred SCH because you could be more proactive about keeping people alive
viscid monolith
They just couldn't make Noct work
maiden lodge
They just couldn't make Noct work
I mean, they could.
They did.
First few weeks of prog you use noct
The only time that shit matters.
woven escarp
especially after they shit on sch in 5.0
viscid monolith
There was a stretch of time in SB where Noct was better than SCH in every way
woven escarp
"healer dps needs to be homogenized and nerfed because multiple buttons confused our soccer mom playtesters and all you honest healers out there"
maiden lodge
It was WHMatha All ALong.
woven escarp
sch mains crying in despair
maiden lodge
There was a stretch of time in SB where Noct was better than SCH in every way
Except WHM/AST never was a thing.
maiden lodge
'Noct Ast is better than Sch' never mattered because WHM was shit. And honestly, still is.
gaunt star
'Noct Ast is better than Sch' never mattered because WHM was shit. And honestly...
people might not want to hear it but this is 100% true
balmy mesa
I liked AST because in casual raid situations you could go "oh, WHM? Noct. SCH? Diurnal. AST? Figure it out"
maiden lodge
If SCH were bad, AST/SCH would not be better or even competitive with AST/WHM and wouldn't have been since heckin 4.0
They want to believe WHM is better than SCH but the fact is, WHM/SCH is carried in healing by the SCH, and WHM ends up chadding the SCH as a result. But the total raid dps (the only number that matters) is less because the WHM has only one AoE heal.
Asylum.
Assize only gets used to heal when it's used to DPS, otherwise, WHM is forced to cast to aoe heal.
Cure 3 is a crutch that WHM is forced to resort to because it has nothing else, not a benefit.
But what's better? A Cure 3 (forcing party positioning around a healer), or Indom+Fey Blessing?
gaunt star
The latter
maiden lodge
Asylum or Sacred Soil?
Scholars have a deeper and more useful healing kit than White Mages.
So when savage happens, who has to cover more healing? Scholar. Not because Scholar's clumsy or bad, but because the Whm's out of options once they use Asylum, or Bene, DBeni, and Tetra.
gaunt star
Did white mages drop a tier?
I thought they were the healer goats of 5.0
whm comps never actually were the best
Why is that
actually gate does have a lot of whm rep
and verse does as well at the very top but sch+ast better in general 🤔
promise is 100% ast and 90% sch tho
this is the kind of healing distribution you see in top ast+whm logs though
dim sigil
I guess cuz I don't really play MMOs but I don't get the mindset of if you don't do it in the first week or month is pointless
gaunt star
WHM is just using lilies to move, assize on cd, and asylum here and there
but in general ast+sch work more efficiently together in actually healing people which means fewer gcds spent healing
though I guess at the extreme top end an ast solohealing with their ogcds while a glarebot goes brrr is pretty effective
Personally from a tank perspective I’ve always enjoyed playing with scholars more
Barrier style is so much more interesting
dim sigil
Seeing a tank buster do a zero feels nice
gaunt star
my proudest moment in ffxiv was taking 0 damage from a tail end
wary perch
Every tank has a self barrier except pld
woven escarp
that's because pld has perfect invul and a bunch of strong defensive skills
it's not like they need a barrier 🤔
gaunt star
that's because pld has perfect invul and a bunch of strong defensive skills
This
Paladin is a walking fortress
woven escarp
ye
gaunt star
I remember paladins used to get bullied so hard for not being warrior
white rose
Tbf warriors live the meme of getting hurt but never dying
And pld lives the title of being a fortress cause they can mitigate constantly or go full invuln
What is even DRK
tulip geyser
"Local Man Too Angry To Die"
balmy mesa
nothing like a good holmgangbang to walk away from the scene in one piece... in the case of WAR
gaunt star
I guess cuz I don't really play MMOs but I don't get the mindset of if you don't...
i play mmos and i dont understand this lol
balmy mesa
world first
balmy mesa
I voted "EW", since it makes sense with prior expansions
fallen girder
EW makes sense and its funnier
balmy mesa
ew sadge
viscid monolith
that's because pld has perfect invul and a bunch of strong defensive skills
Woah woah woah
PLD has 3 defensives besides Halloed
gaunt star
Cant wait to get reported by someone in game cuz they got upset that I said EW at them
tulip geyser
strange summit
craggy pawn
Yessss
soft gyro
sad there was no ultimate for 5.5 and no ultimate for blu when they couldve.