Next Relic Quest will probably involve the Sky Pirates from Heavensward. At least I hope
#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
dawn basin
orchid slate
Can I still do the Relic Quests, there's new ones for Shadowbringer right? I'm starting fresh due to forgetting most things heh
wet crown
You can also just use New Game+
paper dagger
Nero - Yes, all the Relic weapons are still in the game, ARR, HW, SB, and there's new ShB ones. the ShB ones are not yet complete, the rest of them is coming in Patch 5.5/5.55 (We're not sure yet how much will be split between the two.
orchid slate
I'm curious what's the difference between SB and ShB Relics? I was thinking Relics are on par of the Relic/Legendary weapons of GW2
gaunt star
I'm curious what's the difference between SB and ShB Relics? I was thinking Reli...
Cosmetics
orchid slate
Is there any stat difference?
serene crest
Not wrong but each relic is only relevant for its level range. Meaning ShB is useful for current content. All others are only cosmetic.
orchid slate
I should shift this to QnH sorry for asking here
gaunt star
I do wonder what theme the EW relics will have
gloomy shale
EW?
wet crown
Endwalker
paper dagger
@gaunt star We're on the moon, so clearly the Relics will be cheese-themed. Warrior Axe will be made of Sharp Cheddar. DRK brooding weapon out of Limburger, complete with stank cloud.
gaunt star
Of course
gloomy shale
That sounds very gouda I am ok with this speculation
plucky palm
Is anima gonna be a primal?
gloomy shale
si
plucky palm
Really?
gloomy shale
yup
paper dagger
I don't know if it's confirmed, but that's the widespread suspicion
plucky palm
It would make sense
But there's something weird with anima
Unlike previous primals she has her ffx design
gloomy shale
I don't know if it makes sense but I like it this way
paper dagger
The original FFX artist is on the Endwalker team and they have them do it.
So that likely has a lot of impact on how close it is to the original design.
plucky palm
Valefor is a primal, so it's pretty likely for anima to be one
spiral mica
Anima is more likely to be a Terminus Beast imo. Or whatever these Lunar Beasts are
pine epoch
I'm curious what's the difference between SB and ShB Relics? I was thinking Reli...
Relic weapons are weapons that grow over the course of a expansion and by the end of a expac becomes the strongest weapon. Then it starts all over again. Each expac the relic is different and starting fresh.
paper dagger
And I'm fairly sure will be replaced within like 2 levels of the new expac.
orchid slate
Ah, I see Xelion, that's cool
So far in my time with FFXIV which isn't a whole lot in the long run, I really wish FFXIV would make it less tedious to save armor and weapon skins, something like WoW has
paper dagger
I mean, the Glamour chest has... 400ish slots?
gaunt star
glam plates are great but the dresser is 
orchid slate
I dont like the whole slot things, just give us the full library in a menu and let us pick and choose from what we've "unlocked"
gaunt star
combine plates with checkmark collection method and built-in dye interface
orchid slate
Exactly
dark carbon
And more than one dye channel per clothing piece
white rose
400 slots and new glam in another expansion means The Glamour Dresser Extreme is coming up
gaunt star
I mean, the Glamour chest has... 400ish slots?
I’ve nearly 500+ glam items. 400 items isn’t really a lot.
royal spruce
make Royal Authority become Atonement while PLD has the Sword Oath buff to be honest I feel like this is something they should do
forest magnet
some ppl in my static have floated the idea that they're testing the waters with delaying this ultimate and is a sign that they're phasing out Ultimate because if doesn't affect their bottom line.
royal spruce
I'm ultimately curious what gets consolidated in 6.0
robust atlas
Guys I’m not going to lie
I went back and watched the shadowbringers teaser trailer
And it was much more obvious there vs now how and where they cut stuff/rearranged stuff, even without prior knowledge of the full trailer
royal spruce
I mean how much development costs go into ultimates just so a handful of capable people can do it
forest magnet
So let's say 1000 people would unsub if they did away with ultimate
1000*15 is 15000
and let's say they only sub to do the savage raids
which would mean they're unsubbed 9 months out of the year
that's 135000 USD
basically
Ultimate is worth the salary of one developer.
maybe two.
royal spruce
They can put that money towards other things that could bring an even more people
paper dagger
Possibly, but it's also just entirely possible that Covid fucked everything up. I won't put much stock either way at this juncture.
forest magnet
the fact that of all things to delay they would delay the ultimate is not a good look for ultimate in the future
royal spruce
I mean it's not exactly the most important thing on the list since covid-19 is probably restricting a lot of stuff so they're putting a lot of more development into the important stuff
forest magnet
and follow that up that they had already delayed it by a patch cycle
royal spruce
So yeah it probably just got like that because of the restrictions
paper dagger
Could also be content that requires the most time, or had the most staff impacted. I know from my EQ days that the main raids were the provinces of certain devs. So if that Dev got pulled into fixing/addressing something else, raid development/fixes got bogged down.
But my personal theory is that it impacts the least amount of the population. So if something has to go, then that's the natural choice
royal spruce
Yeah
gaunt star
obviously I'm a little biased but I think as people have gotten acclimated to ultimate existing they've come to underestimate how much value it brings to the game as a whole
Look at old threads about it and it's not "who cares only 1% of people do it"
royal spruce
I say the development team got their hands full getting 6.0 out in fall
gaunt star
The thread talking about only 2 for SB is full of "I don't run it myself but I have some friends who love it and it's great for exposure/twitch viewership etc"
forest magnet
world first races are by far the most exposure this game gets on twitch
paper dagger
Ohhh agreed, it's important to the game overall. But in terms of direct impact, if something has to go, it should have the least impact.
forest magnet
because the content creator scene for XIV is shit, quite frankly
royal spruce
I guess the development team also got their hands full with the 5.5 + PS5 version of the game
paper dagger
That likely doens't help.
open verge
because the content creator scene for XIV is shit, quite frankly
That’s just because the game is so boring to watch
forest magnet
Is WoW really that much more riveting to watch
it has 10 times the viewership of XIV normally
paper dagger
I think the issue is WoW isn't as heavily story focused and story-focused streams and such mean you lose people who don't want to be spoiled, so they leave the stream or some people just don't find it engaging. At least from my experience wathcing 2-3 people who stream FFXIV Semi-regularly
maiden lodge
There's really one big difference with FFXIV vs WoW content creators
WoW content creators have a PTR to bitch about.
forest magnet
ptr?
maiden lodge
Public Test Realm
So you have story streamers discussing the new story tidbits weeks before its out, you have mechanics discussions before new patches solidify things, and so on. This creates a more endless content loop.
on the other had, ff14 music content creators are their own thing WoW doesn't really have so there's that
next quarry
royal spruce
People still losing their cool in party finder
steep maple
It's funny as shit
paper dagger
@next quarry That's probably the most active content creation that I see. Husky by the Geek, Alex M., there's some GLORIOUS shit out there.
maiden lodge
Yeah it's just delayed til x.1 which is fine.
oak pike
it hurts a group but not the total end of the world
woven escarp
ultimate isn't likely to get cut permanently
it's just a lot of dev effort
and they're probably going to run out of raids to base them on lmao
although I still think making ozma an ultimate raid would be hilarious
viscid monolith
Gilgamesh, Voidsent, Ivalice
Is it really delayed if they only do 2 Ultimates next expansion?
maiden lodge
At two ultimates per expansion that gives two things per expansion to base a raid on. If they keep to the pattern of '8 man raid thing' and 'something based on the endboss of the .0' then they can maintain that forever.
tulip geyser
Double Oracle fight would be pretty neat actually.
Want some of that Light Rampant with Advanced Relativity? Here you go!
forest magnet
tbh
idk how they would do a Shinryu ultimate
without it incorporating Omega
goes to show how disjointed that Shinryu fight is from the rest of Stormblood
woven escarp
lol
gaunt star
They could do basically SB MSQ ultimate
forest magnet
What u fight Zenos 3 times and Shinryu at the end?
gaunt star
With like Lakshmi Shinryu and Tusku or sth
woven escarp
what if the ending of shinryu ultimate is repeated in the beginning of omega ultimate
just come out of the gate swinging with the end of fight mechanics density
tulip geyser
Well they can just do the Shinryu is Usually a Megaboss Anyway kinda thing
forest magnet
just come out of the gate swinging with the end of fight mechanics density
that's what TEA is tho
woven escarp
forest magnet
TEA is frontloaded difficulty
gaunt star
End of ultimates are always easy
Golden Bahamut, post-suppression Ultima, and Perfect Alex are all pretty free
tulip geyser
Like he has plenty of dumb things he can tribute from the FF series as a whole
pine epoch
Also yes there will only be 2 ultimates next expac. If things go according to play. Dragonsong war. And probably Omega, Stormblood, or four lords ultimate in the 6.3 or 6.5 patch
forest magnet
Perfect Alex is literally "can the person doing callouts identify the safespots" lol
pine epoch
Honestly my belief is that shinryu and omega ultimate. The devs will just say shinryu and only show shinryu. Upon winning omega shows up and delta attacks shinryu killing it and then we fight omega. And then omega does what guardian does. (Except omega summons phantoms of bosses to perform mechanics)
glass hedge
I dont like the whole slot things, just give us the full library in a menu and l...
GW2 kinda spoiled me wanting it like this
viscid monolith
What I meant earlier was if they only do 2 next expansion then they actually mean Ultimate is cancelled next patch
gaunt star
Yeah anyone who argues it's not canceled at this point is delusional or intentionally obtuse
viscid monolith
Which is a shame but eh
woven escarp
"canceled" means it's no longer in development
you're still getting it, just not until next year
pine epoch
While I knew dragonsong was next. I hope the next ultimate after dragonsong. Will be something out of left field. Since yoshida said there is no pattern for ultimate. Yet so far 4 of 4 have been following a pattern
viscid monolith
Ed they're losing an Ultimate. It's effectively cancelled
They could pull a miracle and do 3 Ultimates next expansion
Maybe
gaunt star
If you want to be extremely correct I agree you can argue it's not the second ShB one but the second EW being canceled
pine epoch
I'm only wondering if saying to do ultimate in x.5 was a mistake. We will only find out in 2 years if ultimate starts to harm expansion development again
woven escarp
it seems like they're a lot of effort to make
gaunt star
x.5 ulti was definitely a mistake
Not just because of unforseen circumstances but like just in pacing
having x.5 as a sort of catchup period for people to prog old ultis and whatnot is good imo
It was really nice in SB, 4.5 is when I did both UWU and UCOB for the first time
pine epoch
Like the whole idea is 2 ultimates. So 2 savage tiers will be easier compared to 1 savage tier. Because the easier 2 are made easy so people can get through and unlock ultimate
While the 3rd savage is made to be harder
So gate and promise are easy compared to uh
Whatever ryne Shiva tier was called
gaunt star
Me and the boys stoking the fires of conflict
pine epoch
Which while I get why people wanted ultimate in x.5 ao that way theres some major end game content at the end for raiders. And so it drums up hype
For people out of game
viscid monolith
Hope they maybe break the mold with Ultimate since they have more time
viscid monolith
Raiders still get another 48 man savage I think
pine epoch
Ye 48 man savage is really fun
Its more comparable to 4 ex trials back to back with no checkpoint
And a wipe it's back to the start
gaunt star
DRS is definitely good
And again, like
it's in the last tier
So ulti - ulti - savage expedition
as high-end non-savage content
good distribution
pine epoch
My hope the 2nd ultimate of Ew. Is something out of left field like uh... crystal tower themed. Or uh... ivalice themed. Or maybe fucking hildebrand ultimate
Something just
Out of left field
viscid monolith
That's actually a good idea
ivory wolf
Imagine if it just kills a person, mitigation or no.
Mechanics like that are dumb though.
woven escarp
I mean, that's kind of shitty to do unless you're trying to enrage the fight
severe brook
deletes your character when you lose
you try to log in again
and you just get a blank screen with yoko taro's mocking face
ivory wolf
I was gonna say, didn't Yoko Taro want something like that when they were startin work on the Nier collab?
severe brook
i don't know how serious he was when he said that
it is a bit of a drakengard/nier tradition
ivory wolf
Madman.
woven escarp
yoko taro can only be appeased by 2b porn
forest magnet
it'll be ilvl synced at the very least
maiden lodge
it'll be ilvl synced at the very least
If they ilvl synch, then they have to level synch or the numbers get even worse
And no, they'll never unsynch DRS.
Bozja content kinda requires it be synched to work
viscid monolith
I really hope they take off the level sync in Eureka
I just wanna be level 80 with 200k HP on Samurai and break Pagos over my knee
gaunt star
They did say for people having trouble with DRS to wait for next patch so who knows what they have in store there
But other than that it's very unlikely it gets nerfed/trivialized in any way, like how BA turns off the echo you get in Eureka
viscid monolith
I assume more powerful essences and bonuses from Resistance gears and weapons
maiden lodge
They did say for people having trouble with DRS to wait for next patch so who kn...
Gear. He said it's gear.
maiden lodge
I just wanna be level 80 with 200k HP on Samurai and break Pagos over my knee
Not sure how you'd do that doing 400 damage per hit instead of 100 and being hit for 300k every swat
viscid monolith
What you talkin bout @maiden lodge
With the addition of the echo I can efficiently farm mobs over my level
maiden lodge
What you talkin bout <@275781124872077315>
Elemental level already carries you hard into roflstomp country, or holds you back from being meaningful.
So... you know... they don't really need level synch to do that?
viscid monolith
I want to level faster
viscid monolith
I had no idea
maiden lodge
Not sure the exact rate to elemental rating to elvls at elvl 60 but levelling it's a HUGE buff.
viscid monolith
Is it a full set?
maiden lodge
not that it matters it's overilvl'd
gaunt star
so it gives more bonus
gaunt star
BA runs drying up in favor of DRS huh
maiden lodge
It's crafted, go get the mats.
gaunt star
They drop from BA
maiden lodge
Damascene CLoth, need 3 ez
viscid monolith
So that isn't happening
maiden lodge
shrugs
viscid monolith
I'm literally not at Hydatos so that isn't an option. Thanks for nothing Dis
viscid monolith
Thanks Pile
kindred rampart
I ended up buying mines and ended up making it back while I caught up lol
gaunt star
this guy right here
caster/healer is 3 cloth, phys is 2 seals
It's a pretty big boost too, with just that you should wreck mobs through pagos and still feel strong in pyros
viscid monolith
Oh my god I bought the cloooooth
The physical is a different material
I'm gonna go punch a wall
viscid monolith
I'll fix it in the morning
gaunt star
viscid monolith
It's not worth it. I'll just do this on Red Mage
kindred rampart
better Red then raise the Dead
maiden lodge
Red Mage is godlike in Eureka
Vercure+Eurekan Potions, just set your elemental grid so you put one point in defense, and you could bully mobs even before Logos is a thing
viscid monolith
I'll write that down because I'm done for the night
I leveled down because I got chain frozen
I got frozen, then 4 more mobs aggro to me and chain freeze me to death
Again, fuck this content and anyone that enjoys it. Their shit taste offends me on a personal level
maiden lodge
Man and you're doing it while it's easy.
Also what's freezing you, don't chain ccing mobs
viscid monolith
No no. I was killing a single mob and got frozen. Then while I was frozen I got spammed with more aoes that kept me frozen until death.
maiden lodge
Yeah, avoid those guys
There's usually a mob for any level you want that doesn't cc, and doesn't mutate into a different element
maiden lodge
Just do challenge log
You'd be level 60 if you did.
'what do I do once I'm done my weeklies?'
'JusT Do ChallENGe LoG'
dim sigil
As far as normal levelimg goes like I just did whatever I was in the mood for even if it was inefficient I didn't really care to rush
maiden lodge
(you get more xp if you actually get xp from the mobs you kill to do the challenge log)
dim sigil
Some days I want to do msq roulette other days I'm spamming leveling 20 times
maiden lodge
Plus the challenge log doesn't get you Light, which you need to finish the Pagos step.
dim sigil
Assiming im doing a relic
maiden lodge
Assiming im doing a relic
Yes, I assume that's why you'd do relic content.
dim sigil
Tho id get to one someday maybe
That's fair guess lol
I like doing it because it's a story line and new maps
maiden lodge
The problem is once you hit level 35 in Pagos, the mobs you can get light from is reduced significantly so, sure, low effort levelling, but it makes a later grind torturous.
dim sigil
I mean if I'm doing Eureka you have to kind of assumed you like The Grind
At least for me i love a slow grind like this
Just get YouTube and mindlessly farm mobs
maiden lodge
SOme of us like grinds more when we're not limping with a hole in our foot that we shot for ourselves.
dim sigil
I like a grinding so much that if your game is designed to punish grinding I hate your game
Aka ff8
I don't know I'm just like not in a rush to get anything done in game like I'll get it today maybe I'll get it next month so be it
maiden lodge
Still doesn't make sense.
dim sigil
Like I am working on Beast tribes some days I just don't feel like doing them so I won't
maiden lodge
There's taking one's time and there's deliberately handicapping oneself.
Like if you want to kill 100 mobs ez pz while watching youtube, that's okay.
Where you lose me, is when you want to deliberately stop receiving the benefits of it.
Sounds like that punishing grind you say you hate.
dim sigil
I suppose it can sound a little hypocritical I don't know I just like going killinv a bunch of stuff for hours on end and if im even getting just 1 point per thing im happy continuing
maiden lodge
Right--so why not do that and get more benefit instead of less?
dim sigil
It might make things faster but I really don't care if I get it today or if I get it next month like I said it'll happen when it happens
maiden lodge
Like imagine you're grinding levels in FF1 and you make it your goal to hit level 50 off of imps. You could do it... buuuuuuut...
wary perch
No one want to grind for no reward
dim sigil
I think that's the thing I guess I don't see where the point where there's no reward
wary perch
Usually there's diminishing return to force people to move to next target
maiden lodge
I think that's the thing I guess I don't see where the point where there's no re...
That's exactly what you're doing when you're working the challenge log at level 30 in Anemos.
You're getting no reward for any of those mobs.
dim sigil
I might get faster experience and other areas but I'm still gaining experience and leveling even if it is slower the only reason I haven't moved thoughts because I don't have to try this for you
Ah
*only reason i havent moved on is cuz i dont have dino
wary perch
Then you are grinding for trex instead of elevel
maiden lodge
I got lucky and got mine day one in there
wary perch
Elevel gain is just a side product when you grind for trex
dim sigil
Well doing levels also but that's another goal
My RnG just sucks because I have not got it after several of 100s boxes
wary perch
I got pass 1k+ box during initial release
dim sigil
But like leveling normal jobs also somedays i would do all my roulettes other days id only do fates or only spam leveling, w.e i was in a mood for
wary perch
But you still grind for the same result
Just that trex grind only have 1 method
And reward is not guaranteed
I think you are talking about different method toward a goal instead of effectiveness toward a goal
dim sigil
Or maybe a similar thing is xtreme trial mounts if I have to farm 99 times that's fine that's where my rng got me I don't get why people get so upset about not getting it before then
maiden lodge
Or maybe a similar thing is xtreme trial mounts if I have to farm 99 times that'...
See here we agree. I go in expecting to hit 99 and if I don't need to I call it a win.
But I'll similtaneously spend that time trying to improve on the fight, and make each future kill easier than the last.
dim sigil
Gotta learn how much you can greed and scare people
maiden lodge
Not just that, doing your part to reduce the spread of mechanics helps make farms more consistant.
viscid monolith
The problem is once you hit level 35 in Pagos, the mobs you can get light from i...
What do you mean by this
maiden lodge
What do you mean by this
Okay, so when you start gaining light, you gain it from mobs at or above your level. Anything below gives no light.
So as you gain levels, the number of mobs at or above your level gets reduced. Once you're level 35, you're only doing the hard mobs.
If you're grinding mobs as you level in Pagos, however, that's a WHOLE bunch of free light you're getting--enough to significantly reduce your eventual relic light grind for your first relic to a small fraction of what it would otherwise be.
Especially if you chain mobs, because you get more light from every 5th mob.
Im not sure how light is effectively grinded in 2021, but I'm certain that anything that means you spend less time hunting down forge parties is a quality of life thing
rain onyx
You can sync cheese for light
The lower bunny fate has a couple of wolves to the north that are great for doing chains
maiden lodge
Is that I thing still? Thought they nerfed that
maiden lodge
Cause they changed the snapshot for when they look at your stats for the purpose of levels, xp, etc
viscid monolith
I have this elemental armor that cost me 2 mil gil so nothing is difficult now
But my wallet is empty
maiden lodge
pay to win
oblique sedge
Is there an item to get xp faster?
strange summit
Jewels or MogStation glam items
rain onyx
The mogstation stuff only works until like level 30
And they’re attached to glamour items with no stats
So they’re not really good
rain onyx
I know for sure the Yuna and Tidus sets have the EXP bonus, not sure what other sets do. I think Nehza?
The cash shop should note if the item does give bonus EXP
strange summit
So yeah, you might wanna do all the Novice training, you have a nice reward that gives you 30% more exp until lv. 30 iirc
rain onyx
Items with this text should give a bit of bonus experience
Note again that this requires wearing the entire set which makes you lose out on defense and stats
oblique sedge
So yeah, you might wanna do all the Novice training, you have a nice reward that...
the hall of novice?
oblique sedge
Like the yuna thing. can it stack?
rain onyx
Yes
oblique sedge
wait really? thats 
it's his jacket that has the 30%. so if I also wear the ring it will be 60%?
rain onyx
Yes.
oblique sedge
is there any more?
lmao there is an earing that exist but I had to pre order shadowbringer
LAME
strange summit
aetheryte earrings right ?
oblique sedge
Yeah
strange summit
I don't remember if you had to preorder ShB or if it comes with the collector
oblique sedge
Mightn ot be worth it if endwalker will have one for 80
strange summit
And you also have the Moogle Hat or the helmet of the first WoL
oblique sedge
Moogle Cap +20% (up to level 10)
Helm of Light +20% (up to level 10)
Friendship Circlet +20% (up to level 26)
Brand-new Ring +30% (up to level 31)
Ala Mhigan Earrings +30% buff (up to level 51)
Aetheryte Earring +30% (up to level 71)
How to get Item Buffs:
The Moogle Cap is a gift for pre-ordering A Realm Reborn
The Helm of Light is a gift for buying the collector’s edition of A Realm Reborn
The Friendship Circlet is a gift for recruiting a friend to FF14 or being recruited by a friend and staying subscribed for 30 days
The Brand-new Ring is a reward for completing all adventure guild trials under one specific class
Ala Mhigan Earrings are a gift for pre-ordering Stormblood
The Aetheryte Earring is a gift for pre-ordering Shadowbringers
strange summit
👌🏼
oblique sedge
btw is there a way to lock gear so I don't accidentally throw it away or sell it?
pulsar yacht
Other than the warning dialog, no
pulsar yacht
Should for any job/class below your max one (so if have the msq job at 75 and unlock dancer it'll have bonus)
Because dancer is below the hypothetical main job level
spiral wagon
im kind of curious how materia is going to be affected by them reducing the stats
rain onyx
Probably just smaller numbers.
balmy mesa
Definitely smaller numbers, otherwise it'd break some things
it seems like the stat squish will be universal across everything
spiral wagon
so would the low level materia just be pushed to irrelevancy?
rain onyx
I mean they already are
balmy mesa
probably will still keep them relevant
insofar as being used on leveling gear
(yes there's people who actually do this)
rain onyx
Everything below grade 6 is basically worthless
spiral wagon
(yes there's people who actually do this)
hoi
rain onyx
Grades 1-4 only see slight value due to zodiac relic
teal geyser
insofar as being used on leveling gear
Tbh that's nice for crafting and gathering and that's it
spiral wagon
and than theres them
balmy mesa
Materia used to be a lot rarer before SB where they decided to just go "everyone gets a materia", if I remember right
spiral wagon
would they even be touched?
balmy mesa
50k for a grade 6 was not uncommon iirc
rain onyx
The text they used for talking about the level squish implied that all ARR stuff would be untouched.
spiral wagon
Materia used to be a lot rarer before SB where they decided to just go "everyone...
i know beast tribed quests currently give materia
rain onyx
AKA 1-50 not being adjusted
rain onyx
I’m more concerned about the state of soloing previous expansion content
balmy mesa
So it's possible that the stats that are on gear won't change but they'll add an extra step to the calculation
rain onyx
I hope they add a type of “courage/super echo” buff that looks at your level to the content you’re doing and just massively buffs you.
teal geyser
Why?
spiral wagon
i just want to farm mounts man
balmy mesa
it's an uniform change from 5% to 1% per level and they probably won't go as far as doing that cos it fucks with their calculations
spiral wagon
mounts and mats
teal geyser
You can already unsync
spiral wagon
^
rain onyx
Because I like doing OHKO’s as BLU. ;-;
teal geyser
Heh
rain onyx
It’s fun to pull out a 900k direct crit on an unsuspecting nael
balmy mesa
unsyncing would technically be more difficult because the stat difference is 1/5 of what it used to be
rain onyx
BLU never sits at the same level cap as normal jobs.
I don’t expect 80 until like 6.3-6.4
balmy mesa
level 80 bu 5.55?
6.4, more lkke
spiral wagon
thats what people said for level 70
rain onyx
4.4 or so.
balmy mesa
denial 
spiral wagon
they gave us level 60 back in december of 2019
zinc abyss
5.15, wasn't it?
rain onyx
No wait, level 60 blue was 4.5
rain onyx
But my point still stands that I don’t expect BLU to share level cap with normal jobs in the current expansion.
rain onyx
And that’s current level cap, which you asked to be in 5.55
spiral wagon
yeah but you were suggesting 6.4
which would be like
2 years from now
when i said 80
you said 6.4
teal geyser
...I hope.
:3
spiral wagon
on a similar note
how would they explain level 71-80 skills
cus most if not all would be from creatures on the first
but the story line for blue...
would we find a blue mage master on the first???
teal geyser
or we just go back to the source to show Martyn our cool shit
rain onyx
Gilgamesh finally gets a job of being a system of transport.
spiral wagon
hildibrand and blue mage quests merge
i wouldnt mind that
wait...
what if hildibrand was in garlean prison this entire time
median ferry
i was personally hoping we'd come across an evil doppleganger of Hildibrand in Novrandt
teal geyser
would we get any sin eater ones?
why not
turbid aspen
tesleen stack mechanic
COOM
spiral wagon
regal lantern
Eh?
rough kestrel
Oh thats a different thing, well there's been a moon area in the game since 2.x presumably.
Dude to Elidibus and Ardbert in that cutscene
So shrug
There wouldn't be any actual 6.0 stuff in the game until 6.0
regal lantern
There wouldn't be any actual 6.0 stuff in the game until 6.0
People datamined 6.0 Aetherytes already
spiral wagon
I remember somebody was able to pull philia (holminster light warden) out and have it walk around llimsa before game release
regal lantern
And yes
rough kestrel
Was it actually the Philia model though and not like an assets it's based on?
regal lantern
🤷🏼♀️
gaunt star
What if we afk’d in Limsa next to the light warden 😳
rough kestrel
Unlike minor patches where they start putting stuff in a patch ahead of it's release I'd just be very surprised if there was anything in the game pre expansion that was actually going to be in the expansion, and not like... shit or ideas they toyed with at some point
And then discarded mostly
strange summit
If there's going to be something worth to be datamined, it's only going to be after the next patch
wet crown
people datamined Philia from the benchmark
balmy mesa
The ShB zones also were pulled from the benchmark
gaunt star
How did none of us see this till now? Lmao
Because it's the 3.0 Moon cutscene area on a Private Server
royal spruce
I hope they bring back the thing where we take control of other characters in 6.0
gaunt star
What’s up, it’s your WoL, Bathory. Coming at you with another completely original™️ and grounded™️ hypothesis on what the source of the End Days is. It’s Xehanort, that’s right you heard it here first folks.
13 shards, 13 convocation members, organization XIII. It’s all connected. puts on tinfoil hat
royal spruce
Well there's 14 members
white rose
We are the keyblade of light
gaunt star
Well there's 14 members
Technically Azem left the convocation leaving 13.
white rose
The guiding key and beacon for those to follow
Now where's my tinfoil hat?
So Bathory
How does the WoL free Kingdom Hearts
And restore everyone to get their memories of The Final Days
gaunt star
It’s simple, we need the princesses
royal spruce
Wouldn't it be cool if in 6.0 we get one of those take control of other character events with zenos
white rose
Wait.... if the end is coming... wouldn't they naturally recall it as the final days approach?
Everyone just get the echo
There, problem solved
white rose
Everyone gets the echo, becomes immortal, primals get summoned left and right
Aka trial boss rush
And all the scions can participate since they also awakened the echo
New story with everyone can do battle with primals. While they are never whole due to the 13th shard falling into darkness, they still have the echo
gaunt star
Never have to worry about tempering again
white rose
You kill or merge hydaelyn and zodiark to rewrite the laws of reality again
gaunt star
I was thinking marriage counseling but that works too
white rose
But that takes too much energy so you have to kill them to prevent sacrificing people
Lmao
Emet and gang pops back in, as you are the shepherd to the stars with your seat as Azem
Bringing back every person before the final days and after it to do one final battle and fix the world
Or we just mozy it up with zenos and fight zodiark together. Idek.
gaunt star
Done, we’ve saved the town
white rose
Alright I'm actually out nonsensical ideas so I'm gonna remove this tinfoil hat and take a nap
gaunt star
Naps are great
On a slightly serious note, we could just yoink Emet from the lifestream and stuff him into one of the countless Solus clones
gaunt star
Exactly
maiden lodge
On a slightly serious note, we could just yoink Emet from the lifestream and stu...
You... actually could do this.
gaunt star
Mhhm
placid sail
we blasted him with pure light exactly to prevent this, though
gaunt star
he’s still kicking, he’s just chilling in the lifestream. If Ere Our Curtains Fall is anything to go by, sounds like he’s untempered now. An untempered Hades would be great to have around.
maiden lodge
we blasted him with pure light exactly to prevent this, though
yeah but, his soul was unfettered--he smashed the Auracite.
Hard to argue his soul was trapped and destroyed when....^
gaunt star
If anyone would have a contingency to come back to life it’d be him
viscid monolith
Hard to argue his soul was trapped and destroyed when....^
Calling ghosts from the lifestream is a bullshit power and we better use it sparingly
And there needs to be some kind of externally imposed limit so we aren't wondering "Why didn't we just bring X back?"
gaunt star
It could work on Emet because amaroutine’s are aetherical beings who don’t necessarily have a corporeal form
wet crown
why would they wear cloaks, if they were purely made of aether?
viscid monolith
The cloak is also aether
maiden lodge
It can work on Emet because the conclusion of his last short story is literally him saying 'Welp, my brothers are both dead, I'm untempered, and I could stay dead but fuck it, I'll set up an encore.'
Emet's found a reason to live.
As opposed to before, when he was just.. going through the motions, wanting to just fuckin die.
placid sail
mind that Azem's crystal was made by Emet-selch because there wasn't one
that spirit could just as easily have just been a front loaded spectre
heady shadow
if
we only did a soul pulling out for emet and no one else
at all evere again
i would be fine
placid sail
I guess we will find out soon enough
heady shadow
but lets stuff the guy in the shoebill
maiden lodge
that spirit could just as easily have just been a front loaded spectre
That's some Xanatos chess there. 'Elidibus would likely yeet him into my bedroom so I'll set up a specter in his crystal....'
placid sail
and Emet-Selch narrating the trailer
heady shadow
remember
placid sail
it all seems to imply that there's something going on
maiden lodge
My money is on Emet coming back now... just on the short story's conclusion
heady shadow
ardbert talked and people didnt think he would be hanging around us
in one of the shb trailers
maiden lodge
It's a wierd detail---but him mentioning his brothers, plural, being gone, means it's after Seat of Sacrifice, and that means, he's going to have his encore.
wary perch
Emet is dead
maiden lodge
Emet is dead
But is Emet gone?
wary perch
The cutscene from elidibus fight is us using the magic in azem crystal to call forth the essence of emet that he stored in crystal beforehand
Atleast that's how I read it
maiden lodge
Atleast that's how I read it
Okay. But explain Ere the Curtain Falls.
maiden lodge
It's about helping us instead of elidibus
There's more.
viscid monolith
Calling Haurch and Ysayle from the dead was probably the same power
maiden lodge
This poem takes place AFTER Elidibus is dead.
Now my charms are all o'erthrown,
And what strength I have's mine own,
Which is most faint, as is my breath
That quavers here at brink of death.
'Twas e'er my fate to wager all
For that which wrought my brothers' fall,
And thus the aether beckons me
To depths of black eternity,
To dream of things long lost and gone,
And futures which might yet be won─
Though not by me, lest you mistake,
For others wait, the stage to take,
And while their worth is far from sure,
I bid the falling curtain─pause.
Let "encore" be my final word,
Their epilogue to death preferred.
maiden lodge
Explain what he means by encore? What does he mean by epilogue to death prefered? What does he mean by bidding the falling curtain a pause?
If he's gone, how can he DO any of that, after Elidibus is dead?
wary perch
It didn't mention it's after elidibus death
maiden lodge
Yes it does.
wary perch
Brothers' fall could mean other ascians
maiden lodge
'For that which wrought my brothers' fall'
He only refers to two ascians as his brothers, mate
wary perch
The encore is pulling us out from ascian spacd
maiden lodge
Like don't try to claim he means Nabriales there, he doesn't give two shits about Nabriales
wary perch
He could mean all other ascians
maiden lodge
Finish the sentance
wary perch
It mean to restore the world to it once was against all obstacles
maiden lodge
His fate to wager all for that which brought my brothers' fall
wary perch
It can mean the sundering too
wary perch
It's ambiguous
wary perch
We shall see in 6.0
maiden lodge
Emet-selch wasn't trapped in white auracite.
So the assumption should be that he's not gone.
heady shadow
emet broke that shit
maiden lodge
Broke the fuck out of it
heady shadow
people uderestimate how fucking strong that bastard really is
remember it took him one quest to get Y'shtola when it took us what? 7?
maiden lodge
And so, that opens the possibility that yes, instead of him being destroyed utterly--that the Axe of Light untempered him, which gave him the ability to choose another path.
maiden lodge
remember it took him one quest to get Y'shtola when it took us what? 7?
snap
white rose
Someone enlighten me
You do know that in the future, 200 years from now, the world is nearly at an end
However we assumed thats due to Eorzea being taken over by the Black Rose and the 8th umbral calamity
Hence the sickness
And why in graha's vision it is said it isn't a war
But... that doesn't allude to anything to the Final Days right? The world is still about to abruptly end due to a lack of aether (as implied before we went to the first, the land has already started to show signs of a lack of aether, and it wasn't due to primal summoning. That shows parallels in how the world began to change and weaken similar to the final days.)
My 2nd question would be, did the 8th umbral calamity forestall the final days ?
Because it was implied the world is going to end by the compatriot. However, that took place 200 years after the WoL supposedly dies- so at least after the 8th umbral calamity happened for a while since the plan to go back in time was set in motion after the calamity happened. We know from the vision that even if Eorzea is not safe, there is no other place to run to. That meant even if it was black rose, it has to be something greater than it, something that forbid them from just escaping to a land outside of Eorzea
So that should imply the Final Days has started to arrive in the future
woven escarp
the decrease in aetherial activity in the source is because the first was causing it to drift towards stasis
unless the writers just forgot about that thread and Everything Is Fine because the first was salvaged
white rose
Even if that were the case, the world didn't end anytime soon. I'm inclined to think it's much more than that because if it was the same stasis as what everyone was inflicted on the first, then they wouldn't be able to run away from the problem.
maiden lodge
The world being shit in the future of the 8th Umbral Calamity is what we call 'a normal ass Umbral Era'
That's how they normally go--the 7th is an anomoly.
As for your second question
What did not happen in that future is the entrapment of Elidibus and the defeat of Emet-selch. Because in that future the Paragons of the Source aren't taken off the playing field, Fandaniel is still beholden to the Great Rejoining.
subtle pasture
Yeah, Umbral Eras aren’t the end-end of the world, and the last Tales from the Shadows shows how they christen in the 8th Astral after successfully sending G’raha back and Middy awakens and swears to protect mankind
maiden lodge
SO he can't do Final Days Shit
subtle pasture
—hey do you think Middy making that new contract in the 8th Astral is hinting how Hydaelyn might’ve been killed in the mainline, thus freeing his previous pact with her
maiden lodge
—hey do you think Middy making that new contract in the 8th Astral is hinting ho...
Perhaps.
late trail
https://twitter.com/FF_XIV_EN/status/1364636229199831042 they still hate Au Ra though, right?
subtle pasture
They’re on Thavnair, so quite distant cousins of the Steppe Matanga
unborn lantern
They're so ugly
late trail
I still want unique dialogue if you're playing as a Xaela
tiny wind
the noses make me uncomfortable 
deep roost
the noses make me uncomfortable <:rcdKek:761452893882286120>
gdi i never actually paid attention to the nose and now i cant unsee
random ravine
gaunt star
@teal geyser 
wet crown
His children die for him
brisk quail
I mean
Technically
Gaius is held prisoner
And is perpetually on death row (even though black mage elezen man wouldn't kill him cuz Endwalker)
forest magnet
So is Fordola
placid sail
such devastation was not his intention
maiden lodge
Fordola's willingly living out her atonement.
lusty shadowBOT
Warning issued for pattypat#7298 on Final Fantasy XIV
regal lantern
Actually that was a joke that could’ve been avoided
unborn lantern
it'll be forever funny for me as its very accurate
regal lantern
That doesn’t make it okay
lusty shadowBOT
fallen girder
not in the mood
cinder badger
To the Edge used to be my favorite vg boss theme
maiden lodge
To the Edge used to be my favorite vg boss theme
What beat it?
cinder badger
What beat it?
Rivers in the Desert from P5.
maiden lodge
Rivers in the Desert from P5.
its now or never and i got to make my decision this time is gonna be my moment
cinder badger
In short "Don't fuck this up."
tardy elm
What was the image?
silk dragon
so i have a good idea what the final boss in 6.0 will be
forest magnet
uh huh go on
silk dragon
Zenos becoming the new heart of zodiark but the garlean mind gets degrated as the fight goes on
forest magnet
that's the safest bet tbh
zenos becoming zodiark
it probably won't be the final boss
cuz we got to do whatever the final days cause was too
pulsar yacht
We still havent had a copy pasta of orphan (ff13) to represent punching god in the face with
wet crown
I honestly wanna see Zodiark interact with the party
pulsar yacht
Yet
wet crown
and not just be another butt cloak for Mrs. Juicy
pine epoch
I'm betting zodiark will be 87 89 trial. And reward accessories. Since Hades weapons are effectively zodiark weapons
silk dragon
that or Zenos merges with Zodiark by being the heart of the primal
silk dragon
what as a form of despration
pulsar yacht
Of course i get the image of zodiark in full geiger mode with the torso of zenos sticking out but age ratings
(hi, adele from 8)
silk dragon
then find a way to make it look T rated
pine epoch
Topless zenos sticking out of zodiarks back
silk dragon
idk the zenos we fought before we were bought to the first wasnt the true one
forest magnet
sure but it's still zenos' body doing zenos thingsd
silk dragon
but not soul
wet crown
(Actual) Zenos fight # 5
forest magnet
For the record
Rommy counts it as us having fought Nael twice
because Ruby Weapon
wet crown
50, 55 (?), Ala Mhigo, Shinryu butt cloak and whatever will happen next
well, kind of
I can see why she thinks that way
but I wouldn't count Elidibus or that shade as fighting Zenos
pulsar yacht
Topless zenos sticking out of zodiarks back
forest magnet
but I wouldn't count Elidibus or that shade as fighting Zenos
it would mean we would have to count Diamond Weapon if it is Zenos oversoul
brisk quail
Diamond weapon is Zenos' oversoul
And the thing is gonna look like a dragon
Beacuse that's the litte decoration on his helm
orchid slate
Just popping in, why are we discussing the creator are we getting another raid about an older FF game?
severe brook
Endwalker is shaping up to have a lot of FF4 allusions in it, so I think they were considering if it could show up
gaunt star
I mean there was that Cecil expy in seat of sac
polar crater
<@207811544925339648> <a:PaimonCookies:740300330490921042>
Fordola was tried and found guilty by the ala mhigan government. Gaius is a garlean and hasn't been convicted of anything. Big difference. You're only a war criminal if you've been found guilty and don't have an American Visa.
gaunt star
Fordola was tried and found guilty by the ala mhigan government. Gaius is a garl...
plus fordola is probably more dangerous considering shes a resonant 
But Gaius has STRENGTH BEFITTING A RULER
heady shadow
I'd like to see the alliance try their hand against fordola
we needed to use a device to stop her lul
forest magnet
lol
viscid monolith
Feels like they wrote themselves into a weird position with Fordola
What if I just wanna farm on private island instead of fighting Zenos?
Just send Fordola to kill him instead.
ivory wolf
I really don't think she'd be a match for Zenos.
gaunt star
After all the sitting he's been doing in shadowbringers there's hope yet 
forest magnet
Fordola: goes to jail and has an instant kill collar on her
Gaius: is allowed into highly classified meetings and top secret weapons
sexism smh
viscid monolith
Her spin on Krile's echo allows her to know finer details of anyone's fighting style just by feeling their aether
She's in a better position than us to fight
forest magnet
oak pike
Man fuck fordola amirite /s
tulip geyser
I do hope we see a bit of Fordola against the various Terminus things. May not be able to be picky about who we can recruit against the ravenous hordes
If you arent a Telephorai it should be anyone with the will to pick up something pointy. Extinction dont care who you were.
woven escarp
Her spin on Krile's echo allows her to know finer details of anyone's fighting s...
the WOL can literally replay fights ten thousand times until they find the one time they win
that's the power to transcend
forest magnet
iim pretty sure that's not how echo works
viscid monolith
Wait but that doesn't make any sense
viscid monolith
The anima quest implies that you can like, meditate on past experiences and learn something new.
It's how they excuse you doing the vault for the anima quest
forest magnet
yes
gaunt star
Ya
But thats just you going back and reliving ur memories whilst clearing out anything left over
woven escarp
but like, you canonically only defeat the guy one time
and if you got dumpstered 50 times it would be pretty detrimental to the story if you just died because titan stomped you flat
or leviathan washed you into the indigo deep
gaunt star
....huh
Then it's just meta?
woven escarp
the way I understood it is that the echo shows you all the potential futures and every time you die it's a bad end that you avoid in the canonical ending where you win
gaunt star
shrugs
Idk, i need to replay the entire game at some point anyhow
brisk quail
Fordola: *goes to jail and has an instant kill collar on her*
Gaius: *is allowed...
I mean she's a super soldier basically.
Gaius is just a strong dude
paper dagger
She also has the pseudo-echo, Gaius doesn't. The pseudo-echo isn't fully understood yet.
brisk quail
Even then... isn't fordola more a prisoner of war, compared to Gaius' being a pure defector to Garlemald by PURPOSELY intterupting their military operation?
woven escarp
gaius isn't afforded a lot of latitude other than "you're not under arrest"
brisk quail
I'd say a super soldier that 'can' go back to garlemald is more dangerous than a veteran who's been actively tracked, followed and helping in breaking down the garlean army/mechs
Gaius isn't going to... suddenly be a garlean general outta nowhere. Esp with what he's done so far... and even then. Edgy elezen would fire iv him before he could.
woven escarp
gaius is still working for garlemald
he's just working against the empire because he believes it's no longer in the interest of the garlean people to support the empire
he has no interest in joining the eorzean alliance
and still believes that might makes right
viscid monolith
the way I understood it is that the echo shows you all the potential futures and...
Our Echo doesn't show the future. Wiping is just a gane mechanic and doesn't need an explanation.
gaunt star
^
If we could see the future then we wouldnt have died in the 8th Umbral calamity (maybe)
subtle pasture
Yeah futuresight is a whole 'nother Echo gift,
Mikoto and possibly Mezaya Thousand-Eyes are the only known (and theorized) people with it
viscid monolith
And it only shows guaranteed futures to boot
subtle pasture
What is the most common of the echo gifts
--oh, definitely Transcend Time, got a whole discipline that utilized it (the Bozjan Seers)
...not that that's been mentioned since the first Chapter...
but I guess Bozjan Seer lore lead to Gunnhildr and her shrinemaidens
maiden lodge
One is a collaborator in a recently occupied nation, and the other is a military officer turned defector.
Collaborators tend not to get clemency.
Fordola just has the echo through the resonant. The Resonant isn't some wierd not-echo with different stuff--it's literally just borrowed ECho.
So far, everything we've seen the resonant do is stuff that can be done with sufficient proficiency in the Echo.
viscid monolith
I figured Krile could do the same if she was a fighter instead of a NERD
maiden lodge
Our echo really doesn't factor into our combat with the exception of not autolosing to primals
But Fordola... well... yeah.
Something else to consider--the Resonant that we know, Fordola and Zenos, are motivated to make it a combat-ready advantage, but most people who have it... they just have it. So they don't try in that regard.
unique verge
I've always been of the opinion that echo does factor into combat, but its.....purely opinion, not based in in-game facts
It always seemed like the proper way to explain why we can see and react to AoE markers and similar things - which would be somewhat in line with the combat capabilities of Fordola
balmy mesa
Collaborators tend not to get clemency.
unless they level paladin to 58 anyway
maiden lodge
unless they level paladin to 58 anyway
heyooooo
maiden lodge
It always seemed like the proper way to explain why we can see and react to AoE ...
So do the scions, who do not have the echo
unique verge
Yeah, a more recent development.
balmy mesa
I'm sure they'll explain more about how resonants work - wasn't it alluded to in 5.3 that access to the echo occurs when people are awakened by specific events?
unique verge
Specific visual triggers involving "star showers"
balmy mesa
so it's possible that it's not an artificial echo but Fordola's latent echo was forcibly awoken via Krile's soul
was this definitively confirmed?
maiden lodge
The echo is confirmed to be the power of the Ancients reawakened in some people as they experience their past life's trauma of the Final Days.
unique verge
I mean, its definitely confirmed that witnessing final-days like meteorological events is the "natural" way to awaken it. afaik we dont know shit about resonance's mechanics though
maiden lodge
The resonant involves copying that power onto someone else--also using a whole bunch of sacrifices of life; usually that is a part of soul-type magics such as from Radz-at-Han
balmy mesa
yeah, so I expect we'll learn more about it and it'll probably tie into the oversouling stuff that took place in Werlyt and to a lesser extent during the Castrum Abania dungeon
maiden lodge
It's still the same thing though--a remnant of the power of the Ancients. It doesn't do anything different.
There isn't really much else relevant to learn.
unique verge
Except maybe why, now that there's some perspective on the capabilities
why the WoL is so shit at using their echo powers
balmy mesa
I think the Garleans basically brute forced it with the life sacrifices
maiden lodge
why the WoL is so shit at using their echo powers
Because Zenos gives a shit and practices.
Zenos seeks to master any advantage he can--that's why he's able to use the power of the Ancients in a way more akin to that of the actual Ancients themselves and others under their tutelage
We know those with the Echo under Ascian tutelage do things that most with the Echo don't, as well.
forest magnet
because we've never needed to
is the reason
our echo at this point serves two purposes
primal repellent
and convenient story context
and even then
it's not as useless as Mikoto's
which up until recently only served the purpose of "lol this is ur future deal with it"
unique verge
Frankly the way Mikoto's is written is kinda dumb
I think introducing it in that manner was a mistake
forest magnet
our blessing of light is the primary focus since it's never really 'defined'
hence why it suddenly allows us to absorb a ton of lightwarden aether
or somehow put up a forcefield around the Rising Stones
even though Elidibus could just walk right in
They've explained the echo in lieu of elaborating on what a blessing of light actually is
like Ardbert's group had Echo and they could spam healer LB3 all the fuckin time in that one instance
Elidibus is able to unlock LB4
we're just blessed with the fact that it takes 10 minutes for an enemy to enrage, if they do at all
tulip geyser
I think they're vague about the Blessing cause the other shoe about it is gonna drop come 6.0,whatever that is. Also learning how to deal with it possibly fading away for real after the events of the msq and not just from Middy arresting it for a time might be interesting to poke at come the x.1 series
viscid monolith
@forest magnet To be fair I don't think he ever called it a force field
viscid monolith
That was player interpretation. The more likely scenario is it kep the sundered out because they were too scared to face us directly.
Elidbus is not sundered, so he just walks right it.
dim sigil
not unsundered
exotic copper
Hammer job
regal lantern
You know what makes me laugh about the current GEO theory?
People say that Yoshi P wore two "rock" band shirts so rock=Geomancer.
When neither Sex Pistols (the first shirt) nor Children of Bodom are rock band.
Sex Pistol is the epitome of Punk band while Children of Bodom is a death metal band lol
gaunt star
ppl out there playing 5d chess when YoshiP's previous shirts are literally "bunny race" and "red mage put through a thesaurus"
regal lantern
That's because of Samurai hint was quite far fetched
soft gyro
damn that shirt, we couldve gotten a spiderman job
gaunt star
it would have been if he didn't say hey btw I like samu raimi spiderman movies
exotic copper
Hammer job people
regal lantern
Oh he said that?
gaunt star
yea
and ppl figured it out pretty much instantly
some still thought blu but it was pretty much agreed either blu or sam
exotic copper
Another pet class would be acceptable. If they used a hammer.
regal lantern
So by that logic the most obvious would be Scythe job with a theme on death/reaper?
gaunt star
yeah
exotic copper
It's as likely reaper as it was samurai or blu
regal lantern
“Death be not proud... though some have called me mighty and dreadful... thou art not so...”
Something along those lines
gaunt star
Templar is an outside chance IMO but I think it's actually just as straightforward as it seems
And I'm in the "Zenos has a scythe in the trailer" camp
gaunt star
yea
gaunt star
oh, some ppl do think beastmaster because of ranjit/bozja but I think they mentioned that as a possible limited job and please no more pet nonsense
exotic copper
Reaper wouldn't be close to drk?
exotic copper
Concept wise I'm imagining a scythe wielding maiming armor user that balances umbral and aatral
gaunt star
I mean we already have two each of "eastern-themed melee" and "performance-based supportive ranged phys"
And you could draw parallels with PLD and GNB being ace troops in service of a monarch
regal lantern
Reaper wouldn't be close to drk?
Not necessarily. DRK in FFXIV doesn't draw power from death
Although Scythe doesn't speak "maiming job" for me
But again, neither does spear, yet here we are
exotic copper
I hate this argument
Drk is dark themed. It's in the name
Reaper would be thematically the same thing
gaunt star
DRK specifically draws power from emotions, and not necessarily negative ones
regal lantern
Dark and death aren't the same
gaunt star
They're both edgelord, yeah
regal lantern
A reaper job imo would be more towards Necromancer
exotic copper
Read dark knight spell names and tell me it isn't dark and death themed
regal lantern
And if it is indeed Necro, then it is less about the negative affiliations of death and more about defeating death
exotic copper
Again, not talking about lore
gaunt star
But like I said we do have two jobs that are eastern-themed melees, two jobs that are performance-based ranged phys, two jobs that are essentially a monarch's vangaurd, and two jobs which just draw elmental aether from their surroundings and yeet it at stuff
regal lantern
And if it is indeed Necro, then it is less about the negative affiliations of de...
Similar to John Donne's poem "Death, Do Not Proud", but that's my take
gaunt star
But I don't see arguments about how nin/sam or brd/dnc or gnb/pld or whm/blm are too thematically similar
exotic copper
Right the original point was "templar is too similar to pls"
Pld
Which I said reaper is as similar to drk
gaunt star
both pairs hit similar notes to each other but there's plenty of room to differentiate them
exotic copper
Would love it
gaunt star
good question
exotic copper
Game needs blunt weapons
gaunt star
mace, shortsword, scythe
exotic copper
Big hammer or small hammer plus spells like steiner in ff9
gaunt star
Templar makes me think FFTA Gladiator personally
Shortswords, spellblade-type abilities, wears armor but is still offensively-inclined
exotic copper
Replace shortsword with small hammer
Or maces in general
I'm so sick of bladed weapons
gaunt star
that would be pretty cool
exotic copper
Ya I just mean the concept is scythe dude that has a dark theme
Not necessarily evil, just dark spell effects
Edgy boy
regal lantern
or something that's basically reaper but with a different name
Slayer? Death Slayer?
Do we know any japanese jobs from old games we can use
gloomy shale
Will there be a zone just straight moon surface?
pulsar yacht
presumably unless they straight up crib from ff4 and have a castle and/or underground dungeon
gaunt star
The teaser trailer seemed to me a little underwhelming. You think we will get a more impactful trailer later on or will this one be canon?
pulsar yacht
ther's usually a second trailer later but for now it's at best a teaser
gloomy shale
there will be an extended full trailer
pulsar yacht
the scenario might be effectively done at this point but majority of the assets aren't
turbid aspen
iirc shb teaser trailer was just derplander walking all depressed and shit over the wasteland
with like
one thancred clip
gaunt star
lemme go see it
this is the shb announcement trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46EGTZzYSVw
honestly a lot less happening in it than ew announcement one
naah
that one was way more impactful
- Literally half the runtime spent on WoL dueling Zenos at Ghimlyt
- Fighting angel
- Thancred with a gunblade and a girl he's protecting
- "If history is to be unwritten, let it be unwritten"
Title
Like that's not bad stuff
But it's also not a ton of stuff
WoL fighting the Sin eater
for me, I can rewatch that trailer multiple times
I cant say the same for the EW one.
maybe the fleshed out full trailer will be more impactful.
it will for sure
proven juniper
Most likely
gaunt star
You think WoL will ever be put in a trailer as a DoM?
gaunt star
akshually 🤓
Second ShB trailer didn't add a whole lot I guess but it did give Urianger rocking a dress, stuff burning, calling Y'shtola Master Matoya, and Thancred calling Minfilia by name
And the third one added a whole lot
lots of hype stuff. To be fair EW being on the moon was also quite a hype surprise.
Different kind but surprise nonetheless
Also watching the trailer Urianger call Y’shtola Matoya, I thought I spoiled the story for myself 👀
I've been calling 6.0 Moonbringers for a while cuz I was pretty sure YoshiP wasn't actually joking about going to the moon
was cursing SE for putting spoilers in trailers until I played the expansion 
And there was also the ShB "launch" trailer that came out a month before
and that had a ton of stuff in it
turbid aspen
shadowbringers is so fucking ominous
especially with the advertising going "WOAH UR EVIL NOW"
gaunt star
That reveal at the end of the launch trailer
I remember watching it live
And someone in the audience shouted "Holy-!" super loud
start of shb is so good in setting up the First as an incredibly hostile world
turbid aspen
maybe thats why i already like the endwalker trailer more
we're not on a different planet now
derplander is around his friends
derplander doesnt look like he wants to commit edge of shadow on himself now
im happy for him
good man he is
balmy mesa
He wants to make light work of the Ascians
empty hawk
He wants to end walking
regal lantern
this is the shb announcement trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46EGTZzYSVw
Ngl I still stand by my previous statement of ShB teaser being more epic than EW
deft burrow
Moon's haunted
gaunt star
especially with the advertising going "WOAH UR EVIL NOW"
I mean, the Japanese name for shadowbringers is literally “jet black villians”. 👀
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gaunt star
at the same time ShB trailer felt more existential, more..how should I put it? More is at stake.
gaunt star
EW is like Eorzea on fire. Just another day in Eorzea. We’re going to the moon!
turbid aspen
Sin Eater paladin lady YAWN
Terminus abomination doggo 
gaunt star
there's definitely a better sense of awe with the whole leadup to shb
I liked how they brought in more Scions though.
Like it was clear from the get-go that it wasn't going to be just more stormblood
Honestly it feels like ShB set the bar so high on so many things.
where ew is clearly a pretty direct continuation of shb
Music too was stunning.
turbid aspen
eternal wind oooooooooooof
gaunt star
I just finished ShB msq like 2 days ago so I’m on the “nothing can top this” high
Maybe opinion will change by fanfest
turbid aspen
horny forgiven obscenity zzzzzzzzzz
eldritch therion that yearns for destruction 
viscid monolith
I'm glad idiots can shut the hell up about the next expansion being SB2
gaunt star
I dont think it can be SB2
viscid monolith
It was a particularly bad opinion but that doesn't stop people from thinking it
gaunt star
given how the story is
viscid monolith
The trailer just puts a nail in that coffin
gaunt star
Unless we conclude there is like a whole continent within the area of the flood which goes against the whole existential threat narrative and point of ShB
regarding breathing on the moon,
I think there will be some prayer similar to the underwater one which. WoL will do and not need astronaut suit there.
tulip geyser
I wouldnt be surprised in the least if there were stray Allagans that couldnt get back to Earth because of the giant earthquake on the Source and have been making their way up there ever since
gaunt star
Guess WoL will then wake up G’raha and tell him to port them to the moon 😆
rain onyx
brisk quail
Does there need to be any further explaination?
Allagans: exist
Allagans: imma colonize/create/test/see/enslave/research that
turbid aspen
i wonder if we'll see that summoner wol from SoS 
tulip geyser
i wonder if we'll see that summoner wol from SoS <:blushywushy:71612179946038888...
How do you mean? The being that called us back?
turbid aspen
no im talking one of the random mobs from SoS that elidibus summoned lol
we'll never get to know any of em
😔