it's a familiar
#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
woven escarp
it should just be a giant porxie
who wastes their time crafting bows and dresses onto a tool
serene crest
Final dungeon of 9.0. Suicide mission to the porxie space station in a last ditch attempt to throw the mother porxiemold into the sun before our future is written.
unique verge
maybe Matoya assumed that one or more people involved would be too stupid to identify the prime porxie without it
woven escarp
I mean, it's like 100x the size of a regular porxie
I think SE just did it because it's a "mother" porxie
woven escarp
if they had just made it bigger people would have cried that SE is lazy and made a scaled up model
smol indie company
etx
oblique sedge
So what changes will be made for bards?
unique verge
How would any of us know
woven escarp
if the trend continues they'll just make brd autoattack until heavy shot randomly procs
unique verge
lmao
"Play Song" new action which randomly picks one of the three songs to play
also you cant manually pick anymore
oblique sedge
Well someone told me that bards will be able to perform in instances
woven escarp
songs increase rdps by 0.1% and increase chance of heavy shot proc by 2%
for 20 seconds
serene crest
We won't know until June or July if our guesses on the release date are correct. They always hold a live letter shortly before expansion launch in which they detail job changes and battle system stuff.
woven escarp
songs have a 45s recast though
unique verge
Well someone told me that bards will be able to perform in instances
Someone told you something that's going to happen in 6.0? Wow, does their dad work for Yoshi-P too?
oblique sedge
Cut the childish attitude
gaunt star
Making brd an actual 90s job would be nice
oak pike
the fact that their self buff is 80 seconds is just weird
serene crest
Well someone told me that bards will be able to perform in instances
That particular thing, performing in dungeons, is only in explore mode and not until 5.5.
gaunt star
would also help me remember to use dervish in DSR
oblique sedge
That particular thing, performing in dungeons, is only in explore mode and not u...
is there a website to read these changes?
serene crest
It was mentioned during the last live letter. A transcription is in #translations-and-liveletters but it was a long one so you'll have to do a lot of scrolling.
oblique sedge
I can find it with ctrl_f
serene crest
I will say now however, that we're missing a lot of specifics. Both because it was only preview part 1, and because they don't talk about job changes in detail until patch notes.
oblique sedge
So is there a reason why the WOL can breath on the moon?
probably magic like going underwater?
teal geyser
So is there a reason why the WOL can breath on the moon?
From the interview that is the first pinned message on this channel
oblique sedge
dad no!
rain onyx
Hrothgar/Viera can’t wear space helmets so they wouldn’t survive if no oxygen
subtle pasture
woven escarp
"yeah, I know we can breathe underwater and summon meteors to crush enemies and shit, but why is there AIR on the MOON"
it's magic bitch, ain't gotta explain shit
rain onyx
Moon bunnies bless us to breathe on the moon, just like the kojin
rain onyx
Aether shenanigans
wary perch
We should be dead the moment we get pull into ascian zone lol
Back in arr when fighting nabrileas
woven escarp
yeah
although that's probably not true since minfilia is there
and she'd be long dead if there was no air
since they didn't intend to kill her there's no reason to suspect there's no air in the chrysalis
soft gyro
weren't we in space for almost the end of omega series?
woven escarp
which has its own rules because omega wants you alive to run its simulations
until the simulations kill you, that is
modern zinc
Yeah more like its pocket dimension
soft gyro
sounds like glados 
woven escarp
I think the official weather for omega's staging areas is "dimensional rift"
so yeah, it's a pocket dimension but I don't think they ever call it that in-game
white rose
Not really. Don't forget, most tempered people are actually killed initially because they believe there is no cure for the tempering
If anything, only the leaders like the one ||Alisaie and the gang helped remove|| would be very difficult to remove, and would take multiple sessions until the treatment is complete
teal geyser
Idk
Some people definitely have it pretty bad
Like uhh, the Miqo'te's mother in the Amal beast tribe
so far gone that she literally thinks a rock is her child
I think that for instance is maybe too far to untemper
wary perch
I don't think that's because of temper though
But I think mikoto technique of memory diving can help her though
rain onyx
Also the current cure for tempering only fixes the mind. All the Squid-people that Leviathan caused can’t change back.
soft gyro
but magic can fix anything
as long as you have power of friendship and love by your side
wind bough
can magic fix Gerolt's marriage
soft gyro
wary perch
That would the whole truth and nothing but the truth
...
I feel like that will bring the marriage to the grave
lol
teal geyser
can magic fix Gerolt's marriage
That's an oof
rain onyx
Booze fixes everything in the short term!
🍻🍻🍻🍻🍻
^ the amount Gerolt drinks for a single relic step
somber storm
6.0 Relic. Basically making weapons to restore Gerolt's marriage
wary perch
You need to up that 🍺 count for gerolt
rain onyx
At this point Gerolt needs to be perpetually drunk or the cumulative hangover will kill him.
somber storm
Nah
balmy mesa
^ the amount Gerolt drinks for a single relic step
to be honest I sometimes feel like drinking the same when I have to do the books phase of the ARR grind
wary perch
Resistance weapon too
The memory literally fell from my head when I completed one alliance run
somber storm
At least Resistance weapon is doing one thing multiple times
balmy mesa
they're called loathsome memories for a reason tho
wary perch
And those memory of dying, pain and sorrow from all the fate grinds
gaunt star
Lunar Weapons
craggy pawn
Man I am kinda worried what will happen with rdm in 6.0.
The class is at an sweetspot rn beside embolden not affecting other casters.
Tho I wouldnt mind if we get an aoe finisher after 3 moulinette
soft gyro
id be livid if they just shift the level requirements for scorch instead of adding a new skill
untold gull
They have to add something. It's a new expac after all
velvet fox
I'd like tether back, purely for PotD solo hijinks. But on an actual expectation note, I assume an aoe finisher is in order.
craggy pawn
Smn and monk prolly getting another rework
velvet fox
Greased Lightning trait feels like a "Band-aid" in prep for an overhaul, yeah
balmy mesa
Man I am kinda worried what will happen with rdm in 6.0.
I'm hoping they spice it up a little bit, maybe more tools to proc Verflare or Verholy
faint dagger
verultima
and as a smn enjoyer I'm honestly on the boat of 'stop my demisummons ghosting, stop my devotions missing, but don't touch my precious boy'
untold gull
Demi Alexander
teal geyser
continuously adding demisummons is just not sustainable imo
untold gull
teal geyser
It needs a better solution when it comes to adding more primals
teal geyser
I would like them to just lowkey burn the old lore and just add some extra egis attached to skills themselves
soft gyro
when you attempt to order the pet to do a skill, but he be like "NAH, you do it".
gaunt star
Delete egis
Give summoner primal abilities like hellfire or whatever instead of bio/ruin/miasma that they can use as filler between demis
velvet fox
Demi Alexander
I can't even be mad. I'd 100% main Summoner just for Alex
glass raven
When will 6.0 releases?
soft gyro
fall
velvet fox
Sometime in the Autumn
wet crown
5.5 is april 13th
6.0 in fall, so september being the earliest
even if that's unlikely
gaunt star
Manifesting the incoming delay to December
velvet fox
I fully expect a mid to late November release. Ride the holiday train to saletown
I'll be happy to be wrong.
wet crown
6.1 in january seems likely
teal geyser
6.1 in january seems likely
shudder
gaunt star
im expecting 6.0 in October 
royal spruce
So the 5th the 12th the 19th the 26th are the options in October
I'm going with the 19th of October
Early Access I say Early Access but that's basically launch
Maybe early access on the 19th and official launch on the 26th
kindred rampart
can magic fix Gerolt's marriage
random ravine
who is gerold married to
kindred rampart
during his 2nd marriage ceremony when someone gifts him spirits by accident
somber storm
Rowena
maiden lodge
who is gerold married to
Jack fricken Daniels
random ravine
Why you gotta do that man
Not sure what you mean
teal geyser
Well
they aren't exactly married anymore
It kinda went off the deep end
There were some sketchy guys
Rowena took money from them....
they came calling
Gerolt found out, got that money, gave it back
didn't tell Rowena that the people came to collect
Rowena thinks Gerolt wasted it all
They split
Gerolt now drinks himself to death due to the ruined relationship
wet crown
Didn't she steal from them?
random ravine
Why didn't gerolt tell the truth
random ravine
stealing is also taking
Not necessarily
wet crown
Do you think Rowena would've accepted that?
she was over her head and he protected her that way
solid zenith
Wait where did you guys learned this lore
wet crown
now she plays the part of the cruel, greedy bitch
teal geyser
Why didn't gerolt tell the truth
So she doesn't feel guilty that like, she almost end up killing the both of them
random ravine
Wait where did you guys learned this lore
I'm guessing relic weapons questline
teal geyser
Pretty much
random ravine
ARR relic quest?
teal geyser
Yeah....
wet crown
Bozja also dips into it again a bit
teal geyser
a little yeah
solid zenith
Ahhh I skip all arr relic quest damn I see
wet crown
teal geyser
It's totally Thorne
still pollen
So since we are going to go to Garlemald when it's all destroyed, are we going to have a Garlemald restoration or something like that?
still pollen
¯_(ツ)_/¯
maiden lodge
However, while Rowena's all revengey on Gerolt, she keeps him a) liquored up, and b) keeps handing him the most fulfilling work he's ever done in his life, which a) he gladly drinks, and b) he begrudgingly dives into because the bar tab forces him to start, which he then dives into for its own sake.
teal geyser
Damn
maiden lodge
Gerolt's own memories of Rowena are not bitter, or sad, or regretful.
teal geyser
Dis giving Rowena no benefit of the doubt
maiden lodge
Oh no, far from it, I am
teal geyser
oh right sorry I misread
maiden lodge
I'm saying Rowena for reasons can't just, like 'bury the hatchet', but I mean, she literally gives Gerolt a reason to live.
teal geyser
Yeah
maiden lodge
Like seriously it's like
teal geyser
I misread that b) a) section as just "she gives him good work so he can drink himself to death more"
maiden lodge
'Hey Gerolt, have some whiskey.' 'Yay' 'Now pay for it by doing charity for children with me.' 'Oh noes'
Like she knows he can't get him to quit drinking so why not use it as a motivation to get him to do literally the best work in the world?
I think it's pretty clear they actually do love each other, still. Just, in a very disfunctional way
teal geyser
See shit like Rowena and Gerolt hurts my soul
maiden lodge
It was Bozja that changed my opinion
Seeing Gerolt's emotional touchstone with Rowena being a memory of them playing in the water shows how Gerolt really feels.
Then seeing Rowena rope Gerolt into dressing like a bondage bunny for Hatchingtide that one year--that's kind the sort of thing married couples do, not indebted drunkards and their evil merchant overlord.
teal geyser
Rowena rope Gerolt into dressing like a bondage bunny
that's kind the sort of thing married couples do
Damn
gaunt star
maiden lodge
> Rowena rope Gerolt into dressing like a bondage bunny
> that's kind the sort ...
I don't kinkshame them.
maiden lodge
Heyoo
next marsh
so in speculation on the new job has anyone changed there mind from Necromancer to Berserker?
unique verge
No, because i think both of those are wrong
teal geyser
^
unique verge
Berserker is literally just Warrior
teal geyser
Though necro is much closer
wet crown
They're both über wrong.
wet crown
it's incredible just how impossible necro is and WAR already being a berserker job
next marsh
I kinda feel like it could be berserker, because the common thread between the 3 shirts is that they are all Hardcore Punk Bands.
wet crown
I kinda feel you pay no attention to WAR at all
next marsh
well they are death metal/thrash metal
unique verge
Which has about as much to do with Punk as idk, Country has to do with Classical
solid zenith
not sure if this has been mentioned b4 but i think it was the last cutscene of 5.3 or 5.4 where zenos just step in his katana, im assuming zenos will be the poster boy for the new job. I can kinda understand why people saying necromancer though , but I dont think its going to be necro. unless is somewhat a meele/mage dps? 
next marsh
yeah in the teaser trailer there is a scythe by his throne
teal geyser
but I wouldn't say it's anything necromancy-y
teal geyser
yeah in the teaser trailer there is a scythe by his throne
Well that's up for debate but there is something
unique verge
ugh not this again
next marsh
what looks to be 🙄
unique verge
Anyway, i feel like any sort of "two handed scythe using dark magic and heavy armor" is gonna feel way too samey with Dark Knight so i dont buy into any of that
solid zenith
yeah in the teaser trailer there is a scythe by his throne
woah really???
teal geyser
Anyway, i feel like any sort of "two handed scythe using dark magic and heavy ar...
lowkey want it to be one handed
high swan
Dual?
solid zenith
holy shit, u guys have a keen eye
high swan
Just a single handed scythe?
teal geyser
Ye
high swan
Other hand doing nothing
teal geyser
It could do something
eg magic
but the scythe itself is one handed
basically I'm pulling a
pastel coyote
bruuuuh
high swan
I know I know, fantasy game. But that would be difficulty to wield being one handed
pastel coyote
why use one scythe when you can have TWO
teal geyser
I know I know, fantasy game. But that would be difficulty to wield being one han...
well you answered it yourself, reminder that some other weapons are in-game that are impossible to wield the way we do
teal geyser
eh
I'd rather dragoon keeps that as their thing
dragoon and ninja
they deserve that uniqueness
high swan
Fine.....
teal geyser
Heavy Armor?
dragoon
teal geyser
heh
pastel coyote
whaf if it's chocobo knight and zenos just hide his one ?
teal geyser
implying zenos would rely upon another living creature in combat, of any kind
Does Shinryu count?
high swan
pastel coyote
in the first trailer we see zenos looking at the moon, in the 2nd we will see red comet looking at a meteor
unique verge
Does Shinryu count?
Enslaving an aether-god doesnt count, i dont think
strange summit
👀
heady shadow
should I uh.... relink my idea? xD
there its a stupid brainless idea but whateves
soft gyro
a double sided scythe?
heady shadow
or axe, or halberd
soft gyro
nah, looks like a pickaxe
gaunt star
ah yes finale of ZvH is a mining race between zenos and wol
pine epoch
@drowsy belfry had a stupid dream that the final zone of 6.0 was in ilsabard. And the zone progression looked like fuckin jumping Jack's. Thavnair ilsabard moon moon sharlayan ilsabard
drowsy belfry
It's the entirety of Ilsabard
just every single locaiton
in one
massive open world
forest magnet
well yoshida already said the zones will be more 'filling in the gaps'
than focusing on any 1 locale
teal geyser
Which is stupid
pine epoch
Fucking excelsior cids airship was a zone
teal geyser
because Ilsabard is one big locale
pine epoch
In my dream
teal geyser
Thavnair is fine
pine epoch
I only remember yoshida in interviews saying that it will be a more diverse expansion than previous ones in terms of locale
teal geyser
that had to come with Ilsabard basically
pine epoch
Instead of it being a straight line
pine epoch
Shb kinda was a straight line
wet crown
it's not fine when Ilsabard is 1 or two zones max
forest magnet
SHB was hub and spoke
teal geyser
it was 5 small straight lines
forest magnet
I hope they reuse that stuff
or some of that structure
since Ishikawa is writing again
wet crown
I hope they at least make the field content in Ilsabard
forest magnet
and is a big reason why SHB is a good story
teal geyser
same structure leads to boring
pine epoch
Like yoshida said every expansion in the interview has been straight forward but this expansion story progression will be a bit different
forest magnet
I don't know about you, but we're playing FFXIV
a game defined by unchanging structure
pine epoch
This is the one. Where he talks about compared to previous expansions this one progression will be different
Which can be taken either like. Jumping Jack's around
Or like massively different biome regions
pine epoch
Garlemald is your snow area
wet crown
when I think of jumping around, I think of the first two SB zones
forest magnet
I hope the city state is treated like Ishgard/Crystarium instead of Kugane in regards to MSQ
teal geyser
when I think of jumping around, I think of the first two SB zones
?
Well no I was about to say "which is also like the HW ones"
but CWH isn't that way
pine epoch
I'm kinda really not a fan of the 2 zones at the start. It makes sense to lessen the number of people in X area
But with instancing expansion launches
But I feel from story telling perspective it kinda
pine epoch
Makes all the expansions very disjointed in the beginning
next marsh
Yeah not really a fan of go here check out this zone, now go to this zone and you will see both these zones fully at a later time in the game.
woven escarp
could be worse, could be sea of clouds
where you can't do anything in the zone until you learn to fly
next marsh
yeah was gonna mention heavensward zone progression would've been perfect if it wasnt for sea of clouds
pulsar yacht
Or get taxied but that does nothing but unlock another aetheryte
I dont mind that as much as the scenario power of friendship (code for forcing the lazy npcs to do something like overthrow a bad government in hw or sb) is wearing kinda thin
woven escarp
¯_(ツ)_/¯
if there's anything worth learning from XIV it's that the governments the WOL deposes are just as bad as the ones they replaced
next marsh
Kinda waiting for that moment where either the WoL reaches their breaking point or the city states turn on each other and a war just breaks out.
pulsar yacht
To quote dragon quest player options, but thou must
oak pike
Final Fantasy XIV Online: Battle for Eorzea
fleet geyser
HW zones really need some more aetherytes
azys lla, that moogle map, that one map adjacent to idyllshire that doesn't have a single aetheryte
fleet geyser
i would like an aetheryte somewhere in the north for churning mists
because moogle quests can be annoying having to travel all that way north of the map
maiden lodge
a game defined by unchanging structure
you say that in a community that bitches about SB's structure and applauds HW's structure, sooooo
Also Yoshi P deliberately does change things up expac to expac.
It's a goal of his--he said it in a recent interview.
subtle pasture
ShB's extended prologue to ensure players ding 71 before Holminster's
...I can't even recall if HW's prologue was split, did we visit both CWH and SoC
maiden lodge
maiden lodge
...I can't even recall if HW's prologue was split, did we visit both CWH and SoC
Yep
ShB's was split to avoid Raublock
subtle pasture
I guess we did, and obvi the split lines between M'naago and Meffrid in SB between the Fringes and Peaks, ShB just made 'em far more pronounced
maiden lodge
There wasn't much a split in SB, you went to the Peaks for five minutes, came back, and waited at Raubahn all Early Access.
Then Pipen.
Then Lyse.
subtle pasture
Meanwhile ShB's only "solo instance" in that leg is the Syrcus Trench
...c-could you see other players in the Trench
severe brook
Live footage of the final moments of the Tenth Shard
https://youtu.be/vKhHwpkL17o
teal geyser
Live footage of the final moments of the Tenth Shard
https://youtu.be/vKhHwpkL17...
full version thanks
severe brook
i said final moments not the final days
kindred rampart
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emFem0PJdd0
if XIV 1.0 came out and failed during Fortnites emergence 
regal lantern
Why can’t May come sooner so I know if I should level Botanist or Miner or something else lmao
kindred rampart
Why can’t May come sooner so I know if I should level Botanist or Miner or somet...
regal lantern
We should also forget about Yoshi P saying he will remove classes
random ravine
why would you remove classes
regal lantern
Yoshi P repeatedly mentioned he wants to remove class
random ravine
which one?
regal lantern
All
random ravine
should remove machinst
regal lantern
He basically wants jobs alone rather than the gradual development
Machinist is a job
One thing that can be done is they make it such that you can start jobs at 30 without prior class requirements
And since Job/Class are not voiced, they can change narratives
And the occasional NPC collabs can be explained either ways
Like MNK and PGL can be done even if your char has never been a PGL
It’d be a huge rework tbh so I don’t bet on it
I just wish they stopped making new jobs to be started from so high on level
It’s quite a drag for new players
kindred rampart
they should just marry the class guilds to the jobs they're tied to and do revisions from there
warped parrot
For the Void ark memories farm, can you do it with Undersized party and silence echo?
regal lantern
Yeah that’s what I’m going for as well
Tbh class and job distinctions only makes sense with 2.0 mindsets where cross class was a thing
wet crown
Ehmm...no.
viscid monolith
Like MNK and PGL can be done even if your char has never been a PGL
They would have to rewrite the last portion of the Monk job quests
wet crown
Literally yes.
viscid monolith
The plot literally hinges on your training as a Pugilist because you are fighting a group of people trianed to counter Monks. You don't don't fight like a Monk.
You fight like Pugilist/Monk hybrid and they don't know how to counter you so just decimate a small army of them by yourself
The same goes for all jobs in ARR btw
wet crown
Classes are what everybody can learn by just going to a guild for guidance. But jobs are often just completely different from the classes and harder to learn.
viscid monolith
You are not the average (insert job here)
open verge
Just give a level skip to 30
wet crown
And sometimes you even need the soul crystal
open verge
No changes needed just make the class start at 30
open verge
pastel coyote
wet crown
or 50 or 60 or 70
open verge
Think I don’t know that 
viscid monolith
That quest was pretty cool too it was some real Warrior of Light shit
wet crown
SMN for example is pretty much just the Allagan branch of summoning. The WoL uses the arcanist's math magic as a supplementary basis
or something to that effect
viscid monolith
Now that I think about it a lot of job quests call back to your guild training in some way
wet crown
except bard...kind of
wet crown
he's there for the lore
pastel coyote
Well the lore come more from.... the dragonet
wet crown
Y'mithra isn't even the job tutor either. She's just as much about discovering the SMN mysteries as the WoL
so anyway, from a lore standpoint it's not possible to just fuse classes and jobs like that
it's even deliberate in some cases
regal lantern
That’s fine
wet crown
conjury and thaumaturgy
regal lantern
Class not being a thing is something Yoshi P wants to do but Ik it’ll never work unless they rework, by a fuck lot
What I want however is new jobs get started from a lower level.
wet crown
it only matters for the leveling dynamic for SMN and SCH anyway
regal lantern
Like next new job (7.0) will start at 80, then 90 and eventually 100
Imagine having to hit lvl 100 just to play a job
regal lantern
Excuse me?
wet crown
50 for RDM and SAM, 60 for DNC and GNB and 70 for SGE and the other
regal lantern
You have to play at least the whole base game and a half of an expansion to touch any of the ShB jobs
You’d have to do slightly more for EW jobs
That’s nothing?
wet crown
oh how horrible
you have to play the game to access more content
regal lantern
There’s a difference between accessing new content and having to start new jobs
As a running player, it will not affect me
But a new player who’ll see the game and likely want to play one of the newer classes, will have to wait quite some time to start the jobs
It’s almost like you’re incapable of empathy
wet crown
If you want to put it like that. Yes.
regal lantern
Not to mention the gamble that lies with whether you’ll like the job or not
I got extremely excited for dancer and playing it I realised I didn’t like it
Imagine a new player having to play continuously to lvl 60 to start DNC only to realise they don’t like it
wet crown
Chances are, when they reached 60, they already found something they liked.
forest magnet
splitting the realm did not prevent Raubahn-savage
saving the first instanced fight until after the first dungeon did
since the dungeon servers are probably more robust than instance ones
wet crown
XIV is not a game where you only play one job the whole time. If they don't like one job, they'll just have to play one of the other 18 jobs
regal lantern
Ehva, your opinions sound like someone who doesn’t care for another person’s feelings
If that’s the case this is not the conversation you need to have with me
wet crown
On the flipside, you sound like someone who does too much.
regal lantern
Since I’m advocating for player easiness
You staying rigid on “farm cause I’ve done it, so shall you!”
Stereotypical boomer mentality
Even though you’re likely not one
viscid monolith
saving the first instanced fight until *after* the first dungeon did
It also helped that they added a solo instance queue
wet crown
Yeesh, someone's scratchy.
wet crown
viscid monolith
@regal lantern They don't need to start at a lower level. If it's that important just queue for a lower level dungeon and work your way up gradually
Luckily even when jobs start at higher levels they're still simple
regal lantern
That’s still having to spend a lot of hours, but I guess it’ll not hit people unless they start over
viscid monolith
Or just read the tooltips and hit a dummy for 30 minutes
That's literally what I do every expansion
regal lantern
People who have been playing up to date and have quite a lot of free times in their hand will find it easy to start new jobs
viscid monolith
First thing I do before anything is redo every job's hotbar and hit a dummy
regal lantern
Meanwhile those who are starting anew, actually have to play a significant portion of the game doing things they don’t enjoy
I mean ARR got reworked because of how rigorous it was
wet crown
I didn't say skip cutscenes
viscid monolith
I spent 2 hours on a dummy at Shadowbringer's launch
teal geyser
I stand by my comments Ehva
pastel coyote
Cal jumping the gun again
viscid monolith
Didn't touch the MSQ until I got home from work
regal lantern
you don't rush through the MSQ with your main!?
I am not speaking for myself
teal geyser
Cal jumping the gun again
No
regal lantern
I’m speaking in terms of making things easier for the new sprout
viscid monolith
Can't. I play on PS4
wet crown
brisk quail
The story is only genuine if you RP walk everywhere
Teleporting isn't canon
regal lantern
I want people to enjoy the game and not play the game feeling like they need to race to a finish line
wet crown
It is
brisk quail
teal geyser
So to be honest
brisk quail
Nah. Just walk smh
viscid monolith
I’m speaking in terms of making things easier for the new sprout
I'm confused. What do you want reworked?
wet crown
It sounds more like you want to spoon feed people and take the rewarding feeling of unlocking stuff from them
teal geyser
I've been skimming this conversation and just to be sure before I commit, this is about not making new jobs rise in starting level so it's still accessible to new players right?
regal lantern
Not rework, I just think new jobs starting at higher and higher level is taxing for new players because they can’t start playing the job that interests them at ease
wet crown
you forget the aspect and feeling of that satisfaction
viscid monolith
I wish this game spoonfed people harder
teal geyser
Yeah so
regal lantern
It sounds more like you want to spoon feed people and take the rewarding feeling...
Ofc you’d think I’m saying that when I didn’t
teal geyser
I'm actually with Kayleigh here
wet crown
I wish it forced the hall of novices down on everyone
pastel coyote
It's sad, we have good sprout like knight who get gud
wet crown
teal geyser
I really understand and appreciate the idea of wanting to unlock X job to do while doing MSQ
brisk quail
I wish this game spoonfed people harder
All combos are now PvP melee combos. Just one button
viscid monolith
God I am not looking forward to the level 83 trial and failing it because are shit at their jobs
regal lantern
Imagine being so up there in your head you can’t even comprehend another persons words
pastel coyote
What are you talking Lance ?
wet crown
well that's expected at launch
viscid monolith
All combos are now PvP melee combos. Just one button
That would only work for certain jobs but I'd be down for it
teal geyser
Yeah what are you on about Lance?
pastel coyote
huh...
wet crown
no...8
viscid monolith
@teal geyser I'm talking about the pattern of groups getting their backs blown out by the first story trial because they can't overgear it
regal lantern
I'm actually with Kayleigh here
It’s got nothing to do with being spoon fed and everything to do with having to spend a lot of gameplay hours doing something you don’t enjoy
pastel coyote
we have 7
rain onyx
Like the Sadu and Zenos story instances in SB patch story?
viscid monolith
DRG has 2 five step combos that could be made into 2 buttons
pastel coyote
zenos solo was easy and boring, sadu was kinda fun
wet crown
well WT and FaC can be condensed into combined melee action combos
pastel coyote
and i say that as someone who always come back for the patch, i'm far from being BiS
wet crown
you don't need BiS
viscid monolith
It’s got nothing to do with being spoon fed and everything to do with having to ...
This is what confuses me. You would spend far more hours leveling a job you might not like if they still started at 30
pastel coyote
You get what i mean taco
regal lantern
This is what confuses me. You would spend far more hours leveling a job you migh...
How so?
viscid monolith
Leveling from 30-90 takes longer than 70-90
regal lantern
You have MSQ to back that up for new players
teal geyser
Lance holy shit
viscid monolith
Not rework, I just think new jobs starting at higher and higher level is taxing ...
I read this
regal lantern
Not old/running players
wet crown
it's about making a new job the main
pastel coyote
Leveling from 30-90 takes longer than 70-90
regal lantern
A new player atm, will see Sage and have to play at least till HW, hit 70, and then start the new job. @viscid monolith
viscid monolith
Oh so you're talking about expansion jobs not being available immediately
regal lantern
Yes
teal geyser
being too far out of range anyway
I think 60 was the max expansion jobs should have gone
since at least that's in PotD range
regal lantern
And no need 30, 50/60 is good enough
Yeah 60 as Cal says
70 is too high and you can be sure in 7.0 it’ll be 80
teal geyser
I'm the guy who'd grind to unlock a job to play the entire game as
I did that in FFXI with dancer
lemme just go through these zones of mobs 100 levels higher than me
pastel coyote
damn i didn't play long at ff11 but it's bring back memory
wet crown
sounds like you guys enjoy leveling jobs, which I never understood
jobs are at their best when you can play them at the current capstones and enjoy the new content you can play with them like raids and trials
at least I see it that way
pastel coyote
running through an underground tunnel to reach a desert island and farm
teal geyser
sounds like you guys *enjoy* leveling jobs, which I never understood
jobs are at...
Sure that's the most fun for old players
but it damns new ones
sooo
wet crown
progression in XIV comes from gear and far less so from levels
teal geyser
I'm just considerate ¯_(ツ)_/¯
wet crown
pastel coyote
craggy pawn
I hated lvlling blackmage until I unlocked red mage
teal geyser
because that'd mean getting to red mage would take longer?
craggy pawn
When I got red mage, I pretty much stayed redmage
wet crown
I assume one would notice it a lot earlier than right before the finish line if a job isn't to their liking
teal geyser
Then you'd still have to level back from 1 to 30-35
craggy pawn
Deep dungeon made it more comfy
teal geyser
Which would take a while
regal lantern
Also at what floor does PotD gives good exp? Not 1-20 certainly
teal geyser
51-60 is most efficient
Which yeah would take some aetherpool farming to get to IIRC
wet crown
it's not so bad
I reset that my pool a few times for the weapons back in...urgh
3.4 and 3.5 for some jobs
very likely that you'd fight with a decently competent team to clear floor 50, even if your own pool is crappy compared to the average number at that point
regal lantern
Which yeah would take some aetherpool farming to get to IIRC
So that’s not so easy either
Basically new jobs are placed this way to keep new players interested
But from a moral perspective, I can’t help but feel bad for them
Again I’m not saying new jobs should be Lvl 1/30.
50-60 is good enough.
70... is a bit too much
teal geyser
I also think 50-60 is good enough too because I'm pretty confident that the level cap won't go up much more
unless they, dare I say, level squish?
wet crown
you may not
regal lantern
But here we have lvl 70. A new player would have to grind a lot to hit it by the time they’re in HW
And they’ll need the item EXP boosts too
wet crown
No they don't.
regal lantern
Sage is one of those jobs that’ll attract a lot of people because of how awesome it looks
teal geyser
gundam the job
regal lantern
On another note, I hope new DPS is equally as amazing
teal geyser
I just want it to be Sice and I'd actually be happy
regal lantern
Idk for me DNC is underwhelming next to GNB
regal lantern
I just want it to be Sice and I'd actually be happy
Sice or Seven, i know it’s too late for whipblade but I love them both
royal spruce
That 90 dancing Quest is going to be fun I can already tell
regal lantern
Will there be more job quests?
Although I can’t tell how this might be a maiming job
Scouting fits more imo
wet crown
the new jobs gets 10 levels worth of job quests
all others get 1...if they do it like ShB did
royal spruce
Apparently by the looks of it there will be job quests at 90 for all the jobs
regal lantern
Hope so
regal lantern
Yeah AF gear is a sure thing every expansion
royal spruce
To be honest I'd rather than bring back jobquest than have more role Quest
regal lantern
That an relic gears
regal lantern
To be honest I'd rather than bring back jobquest than have more role Quest
Too many stories to write
And it’s quality was deteriorating
Although DNC lore is weird
royal spruce
I still like to have it though I do like a lot of those job quest storylines
royal spruce
I'm always up for more Curious George
regal lantern
Oh...
random ravine
I'm always up for more Curious George
yes the game left the status of curious gorge and dorgono very unfinished
royal spruce
Yeah
random ravine
i wouldn't mind if they made a whole side quest chain regarding their status
doesn't even have to be a job quest
i just want to see if they get married and have roe kids with horns
royal spruce
I like how the ninja Quest we get the scroll back and then immediately lose it and then we go oh well
Hopefully those 10 sagequest will be good
Or five or six or how many of there will be
Hopefully they do a good job I mean
wet crown
You should hope they're more relevant lorewise than DNC
frankly, those were just...so off
royal spruce
I mean the dancer 90 Quest should be interesting like I said considering we're going where dancers come from
wet crown
could've just made it about easing peoples' minds with dancing but then they added all that negative demon stuff in and just...
why
craggy pawn
Gotta add a lil edge
regal lantern
You don’t need class/job quest for job lore
royal spruce
I wonder if the dancer will be getting another step
wet crown
It's the easiest medium to present it to people
regal lantern
True
DNC lore isn’t incomplete tbh, it’s just... “what??” Like the whole “dance of the damned” where you get tranced from distress and start dancing makes no sense
wet crown
Instead of another step, a new dance maybe
regal lantern
DNC lore isn’t incomplete tbh, it’s just... “what??” Like the whole “dance of th...
All of Ishgard would be an emo rave by now if it made sense
wet crown
you're not wrong
royal spruce
You know the term New Game Plus in MMO feels weird
craggy pawn
They should change it to something else
royal spruce
I like the system though is it lets me go back and do job quests do I want a refresher on when ever I want to
But New Game Plus usually means you're starting the game from scratch with benefits carried over
pine epoch
Gunbreaker AF gear doesn't fit the Tank vibe and more of a maiming or scouting vibe. So
Also I know I'm late
craggy pawn
True
teal geyser
Although I can’t tell how this might be a maiming job
To be fair when you think gunblades I never really thought tank gear, not like squall goes around in giant metal armour
regal lantern
Scouting
wet crown
gunbreakers are bodyguards
absolutely tanks to me
regal lantern
The way the movements and af gear looks, it’s just a more technological ninja
Anyone can be a bodyguard
Even a conjurer
All 3 tanks before GNB Were heavy armoured jobs
GNB doesn’t even look armoured, padded with plates at certain parts
We’re talking gear and appearance ofc
kindred rampart
anything can be a tank if you stack enough HP/VIT and Enmity on it
wet crown
Lost Incense.
runic atlas
TO THE MOON
kindred rampart
exotic copper
hammer job
craggy pawn
Gaia job
wet crown
Gaia has the WAR pose
dim sigil
Roe war pose
wet crown
roe/hrothgar
dim sigil
Gaia is a roe plot twist
craggy pawn
AF gear will be gaias heels
wet crown
weapon will be her bags Thancred carried before
viscid monolith
GNB AF is absolutely tank armor
It's more sophisticated than the other tanks is all
It's more modern body armor
Speaking of which we need a version without the coat
rough kestrel
^
I agree
I'd love a toggle for armor sets to have alternate appearances
Like a visor toggle thing
Like for example the Nier coats could have sleeves/rolled up toggle
GNB could have coat/no coat
cedar wadi
That viera is very butch
viscid monolith
Considering how much exercise they get it makes sense they would would be absolutely ripped
gaunt star
Armored GNB 👌
viscid monolith
I'm sure the coat provides extra protection too but we already have enough coats
I'd rather GNB AF have a utility belt to carry their rounds
And drop the coat altogether
gaunt star
I hate the insistence people have on GNB being lightly armored when the AF does have armor and they're literally named for the fact that they're shock troops
viscid monolith
The armor isn't bulky like people expect I think
heavy lintel
If GNB is lightly armored what is WAR lol
viscid monolith
It's like a really thick kevlar vest
gaunt star
yea, it's sleek/high tech
viscid monolith
Think Batman's suit in The Dark Knight
somber storm
Gnb and sam af same armour
drowsy ivy
theeir armor is designed to attack enemy gun emplacement
Its not like its just cloth
oak pike
i'll be down for more modern looking armor
turbid aspen
gunbreakers have dat drip
somber storm
DMC drip
heady shadow
DMCA drip
high swan
Xenos new weapon is a lance
He will be the Kain to our Cecil
We defeat him in combat only to fall versus Zodiark and he comes to our rescue only to die and save our life
The end
But not the end, in 8.3 we discover he still alive
And he's in the first
So it gives them a reason to use that content again
dim sigil
Then it turns out wol is zenos who had plastic surgery to look like wol and hypnosis to make him think he is wol until it all comes apart
high swan
I was thinking exactly the same thing
dim sigil
While the real wol was building scion heaven
heady shadow
does it metter honestly they both sound the same
thin crypt
Well wol is a woman a veira so
oak pike
Is there a Xenos in the game
theres a ffxiv streamer called xenos
oak pike
the only other ffxiv content creator i know is shenpai
next quarry
Not even Larry smh
dim sigil
I had shenpai in a dr run once idk them but chat was full about them
forest magnet
Tate but he uh, not around anymore for good reason.
Arthars
tbf the xiv CC is kinda not good
most of hte community is in art
which is why xiv is like the most tweeted about game in 2020
somehow
despite having a 6+ month content drought
no expac announcement
dim sigil
I heard the tate dude had some drama
gaunt star
not the fun kind of drama tho, just the depressing kind
balmy mesa
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/100463940835762176/809579332027678740/ima...
!juicy
heady shadow
yeah
heady shadow
you need to put ! faq first
balmy mesa
oh
heady shadow
so like !faq juicy
balmy mesa
!faq juicy
lusty shadowBOT
balmy mesa
That's better :)
Oh god there's erotic WoL/Zenos fan fiction isn't there? And it's probably going to be called "The Thrill of the Hunt"
gaunt star
you say that as if you expect only like one
dim sigil
Wol spanks zenos
woven escarp
but definitely
oak pike
hmm i wonder what makes wow fun to watch
balmy mesa
I feel like that's a rabbit hole we probably shouldn't go down 😅
oak pike
probably
balmy mesa
more the erotic fan fiction bit rather than wow
but that said, it's kind of like Eve Online
boring af to play, but god the stories
makes it sound like a way more thrilling game than it actually is
kind of like what happens with cricket, tbh
balmy mesa
Ahh, visiting the Shire!
balmy mesa
like wol and namazu
imagine the WoL getting catfished on a date... instead of Zenos it's three namazus in a suit
heady shadow
that would indeed suck
maiden lodge
despite having a 6+ month content drought
See, when you say 'six month content drought' you actually get the masochism of other MMO players hot and bothered cause they're used to it as general principle.
tulip geyser
Wasnt there like a year of nothing after Siege of Orgrimmar
maiden lodge
Wasnt there like a year of nothing after Siege of Orgrimmar
Well, yes. But also Dragon's Soul, and Ice Crown Citadel, and whatever the final raid of WoD was, and...
WoW's gotten better about not blowing its entire whole wad in less than a year in a two year expansion cycle though.
FFXIV kinda.... taught... the MMO industry about parallel development
tulip geyser
Yeah, I've been spoiled by the regular intervals in this game
maiden lodge
Yeah. The six month thing sucked buuuuuuuut... relative to the industry...
heady shadow
ffxiv taught the mmo industry things.
but the mmo industry is mostly ignoring it xD
maiden lodge
I wouldn't say that. FFXIV forced WoW to change certain things about itself.
balmy mesa
like work ethic, for starters
maiden lodge
Just like WoW forced the industry to change around it
Work ethic's not a good place to go, in a dev world with 'crunch' and unpaid overtime and such.
The work ethic's there, the management is generally the problem.
Devs stuck putting in 12 hour days are not wanting in work ethic.
balmy mesa
Bad phrasing, I mean more showing that it's possible to be consistent in releasing content. I don't know if YoshiP forces his team to do 12 hour work days or not, though - though the pandemic has really shown how easily a consistent schedule can really be disrupted by things outside of their control
maiden lodge
Yoshi P doesn't.
He's kinda a wierd exception--he lets people do overtime if they want, but doing so means they have to take mandatory time off later in the same time period. He forces work breaks to prevent burnout.
It's the reason the other 'content drought' happened, in 3.0->3.1. Everyone was so exhausted from cranking out HW that Yoshi P gave them a forced break and when they came back he implimented the new anti-crunch rules.
This doesn't stop team members from doing personal projects on their own time, of course, and in fact, many features are born of team members just making something up as a personal project.
balmy mesa
So if anything, I guess, this proves how important good management is. Shame ArenaNet still haven't figured this shit out with Guild Wars 2
maiden lodge
Yep. Yoshi P's kinda revolutionary in a lot of ways
The fact he can get content consistantly on time barring world-wide emergency, without resorting to crunch, shows he's actually really skilled at workflow management.
serene crest
I recall a story he told about him promising the team that things would get easier after ARR. As HW was approaching, someone came to him and said "you told us it was going to get easier after ARR!" to which he apologized and said "ARR includes HW launch I'm sorry!"
maiden lodge
He's probably one of the best producers out there.
serene crest
Thus the one month break after HW
maiden lodge
Yeah
But there's a reason you don't hear of fuckery from BDU3
In the same way you do from BDU1
balmy mesa
The management
dim sigil
Imagine the personal projects that got denied that we'll never hear about
maiden lodge
Imagine the personal projects that got denied that we'll never hear about
Probably tons. But at the same time--it's not like anyone planned for Mahjong.
One day Yoshi P comes in and someone's made Mahjong in the game engine
balmy mesa
And it turns out to be a surprising hit
dim sigil
Ive still yet to unlock that
balmy mesa
I think when it came to the game they got bitten on the arse hard by PS3 limitations, so we're seeing more of these personal projects/ideas pop up
I'm hoping they finally figure out how to RGB the entire game theme assets
maiden lodge
I'm hoping they finally figure out how to RGB the entire game theme assets
There's issues with that, with conveyance. I know City of Heroes did it though.
balmy mesa
Yeah, in theory they can grey scale all the dialog windows that aren't especially custom made, but it depends on how they're constructed by the engine
it might be a shit ton of work or it might be easy. But considering how long it took them to do the blue theme resource-wise, I'm assuming it's the former
pine epoch
You know I thought of something funny
What if Zenos new castle tower
Is actually a repurposed tower from amaurot
Cause amaurot has that huge central tower in the background you cant go to
balmy mesa
So like selling 4G as 5G?
pine epoch
pine epoch
This tower kinda fits FF4s tower if babil design
balmy mesa
Amaurot seems different
pine epoch
And as I said a repurposed
balmy mesa
like they'll get inspiration from ff4, but they'll make it fit with the lore... what does the ff4 tower look like?
pine epoch
https://youtu.be/6IYT2O3Hbws tower of babil as seen in the opening cinimatic of FF4
balmy mesa
holy shit
I just looked up the tower of babil, and it showed me the giant of babil artwork
now is it just me or does the giant of babil artwork look a bit alexander-ish?
teal geyser
It was proto Alex
balmy mesa
teal geyser
Alex before Alex existed
balmy mesa
lol it was even in brave exvius
heady shadow
i think zenos tower will be tower of babel/babil
teal geyser
I think that is what it'll be called too
balmy mesa
But done in a way that fits FFXIV lore
teal geyser
but it's clearly also taking from Tower of Kefka
pine epoch
Which kefka tower was effectively a amalgamation of the corpse of the city once known as vector
Merged with the floating island
Honestly
Part of me wonders if zenos tower is the final zone
teal geyser
Nah
balmy mesa
teal geyser
"Begone thot"
pine epoch
God. You know what's a scary thought
Concept art for 6.0 zones discovered in the games files
teal geyser
fucking nay
balmy mesa
You know what's funny though, YouTube premium offered me 3 months free when I launched the app
teal geyser
I mean we did have that uh. Uh one concept leak as well as
the aetheryte?
balmy mesa
so y'know...
pine epoch
Ye cal
balmy mesa
The aetheryte? Different design?
pine epoch
I have it
strange summit
strange summit
Also this
pine epoch
M5f2. Is the zone designation for this
balmy mesa
It seems like they're trying to brute force crystal shards into acting like an aetheryte
pine epoch
M being zone. 5 expansion. F for field. 2 for 2nd zone
gaunt star
Man I remember when they showed one of the kholusia aetherites and people thought the metal base was like "dead" crystal from the world being totally jacked up
Which would have been a super cool design
teal geyser
Man I remember when they showed one of the kholusia aetherites and people though...
To be fair we got the light creeping in at the bottom so good enough in my eyes
balmy mesa
It was also a nod back to the later patches in 1.0 I think
balmy mesa
Is it powered by Razer?
strange summit
Mt Dew
balmy mesa
So like Mt Gulg, but more green than gold
gaunt star
Incidentally I was kinda disappointed to see confirmation that CT was constructed by Allagans cuz I thought the fact that it looks completely different to their other architecture and they don't use that sort of crystal even in azys lla aethernet shards was a clue to something
pine epoch
To correct my self M means Region (where series of zones dungeons raids trials are situated). 5 means expansion. (2.0 is 1. 3.0 is 2. Ect.) F means Field Zone. And 2 designates 2nd field
balmy mesa
So either it's Thavnair's north zone or considering the GIF could be in northern Dravania
balmy mesa
(re: north zone I'm assuming Thavnair has Radz-at-Han to the south)
strange summit
They modded zenith aetheryte
yes
lusty shadowBOT
balmy mesa
fuck the moogles tbh, lol, I thought I had forgotten that zone entirely
teal geyser
Seems southish
balmy mesa
Seems southish
I meant relative to the city
pine epoch
It depends on if Koji translation was literal. Cause koji translated yoshida saying that thavnair is 1 zone
strange summit
Imagine going to Meracydia
teal geyser
I meant relative to the city
Oh the zone?