retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[maiden lodge]

One shot, first time

I have yet to replicate this feat on any other character

not a single parry either

[pine epoch]

I mostly like dodging over parrying

[plucky palm]

Do you think we'll get a pirate job one day?

[pine epoch]

Warrior. Next question.

[plucky palm]

Not necessary pirate, but related

Warrior?

Well, i haven't played warrior btw

[pine epoch]

Jokes aside

The class marauder which turns into warrior

Is one of the Limsan main disciplines

[maiden lodge]

Rogue, actually.

[brisk quail]

Rogue is arrrr pirate

[pine epoch]

Ya that's more pirate like

[maiden lodge]

Rogue is legitimately 'We're pirates who police the pirates'

[brisk quail]

Pirates pirate pirate pirate pirate pirate pirate

[plucky palm]

A legit job, not class

[pine epoch]

I have a stupid habit with dark souls 3 Dis where I level fucking uh Vigor Strength DeX and wear heavy armor and wield that stupid dual wield greatsword. Or splitleaf greatsword

[brisk quail]

There's no class besides tank healer dps

A job is Marauder or Paladin

[maiden lodge]

I have a stupid habit of trying to play sorcerer badly

[brisk quail]

And you can totally use Rog in level 80 content

So it's a real job

[pine epoch]

My runs start off as pyromancer and midway I have 40 strength 40 dex

And its like

HOW DID I GET HERE

[maiden lodge]

Look that's viable in DS1!

though I'm chuckling, it's like Skyrim "I'm going to be a dualhammer wielding viking barbarian" two hours later "and somehow I'm a stealth archer"

[pine epoch]

That's like the most authentic statement in the universe

I'm so glad 14 is a trinity Tab Target MMO 2nd Gen. Wow like

And not

Dark souls or skyrim

[maiden lodge]

you say that but I die a lot more in FF14

[brisk quail]

Just unbind the crouch button

Can't stealth if you can't crouch

[exotic copper]

I'm interested to know what kind of promo 14 will have in association with 16

there's bound to be something given yoshi's involvement

[brisk quail]

■: shawn JOSHUA

[pine epoch]

I mean we can expect any 14 16 crossover to reward 14 with Clives glamour

And hairstyle

[maiden lodge]

press x to jason

[maiden lodge]

It took years before 15 got a rub, and 7r has yet to have anything. Yoshi P tends to be.... very reluctant... to do crossovers with 'the new hotness'.

[exotic copper]

But he is directing the new hotness.

Remember lightning returns

i hope 16's combat is better than 15s

[brisk quail]

JOSHUA

[maiden lodge]

JAY SON

[brisk quail]

That's all the FF16 trailer said btw

SHAAAAWWWWWN

[maiden lodge]

JAYYYYYSON

[exotic copper]

clive

[brisk quail]

jason

Jaaayyyy soooooooon

[exotic copper]

shawn?

[maiden lodge]

Oh yeah that's true LR got the cross promotion right away. But... you know... it needed hype

[brisk quail]

LR is joke tho

[exotic copper]

15 needed it too lmao

[brisk quail]

FFXV got it real late didn't it?

[maiden lodge]

15 had decent sales, wasn't a sequal

[exotic copper]

i refunded 15 lmao

[brisk quail]

I played base 15 and enjoyed it

Then played royal 15a and enjoyed it more

[maiden lodge]

Plus LR's cross promotion in 14-side was literally 'just rerun the 13 shit again'

[brisk quail]

(Like 1.0 ffxv)

[exotic copper]

i didn't understand what was happening at all and the combat felt like I was supposed to be playing faster but also was animation locked so heavily i could not

[brisk quail]

Tbh the combat doesn't really get fast till you get multiple air steps

[exotic copper]

like apparently i was a prince

and i was supposed to feel things for the boys

and i guess there was a girl i loved

The moves that princeboy got in tekken are pretty sick though

and the idea of swapping weapons on the fly was cool

[maiden lodge]

For me it was

'a bridge too far'

[exotic copper]

i don't think i got far enough into the game to get that joke

[maiden lodge]

When they decided to sacrifice the rpgbase of the game in order to provide a more cinematic story driven experience....

...and then fail to deliver that.

[exotic copper]

oh

[maiden lodge]

I'm not a fan of switching the genre of a series.

[exotic copper]

i was told if i wanted to understand the story i should watch the anime

thats when i refunded it

[maiden lodge]

And yeah, it's a different genre.

[exotic copper]

yeah, partially poluted because i had just come off playing ff9 and 14

which uh

are not that

[maiden lodge]

And BDU1's strengths aren't in action

They're good at visual spectacle, but they're no platinum or even ninja theory

I have higher hopes for 16 because while I dislike it being an action game, at least they have someone known for making an action game on the team

[exotic copper]

i'm going to assume without any sort of real knowledge that BDU1 is the acronym for the studio that developed 15

i appreciate action games that are good

[maiden lodge]

Sorry CBU1

Creative Business Unit 1

In contrast to Yoshi P-lead CBU3

[exotic copper]

ah so yes

its a dev team

[unborn lantern]

they removing belt cuz of lv 90 dmg boost :c

[maiden lodge]

More like a studio

[maiden lodge]

No, they're removing it to increase armory chest space for weapons and rings, in exchange for a non-glamor piece.

[exotic copper]

afaik the difference between the two is logistical

[unborn lantern]

still gonna make a difference

a lil bit

owo

[maiden lodge]

The loss of the belt is going to be the least impactful of the number changes.

[exotic copper]

no... because they're reworking the whole system lmao

[subtle pasture]

Thought it was due to belts just kinda being unnecessary, with 2nd rings only surviving the cut bc glamour

[unborn lantern]

well they better impress me

[exotic copper]

the belt could be worked into the new system easily

[unborn lantern]

or i'm killing mario

[exotic copper]

in fact it would be numbers wise easier to keep it

they're doing us a favor by removing an armor slot that is entirely a stat stick

[unborn lantern]

well they should do us a favor and add more glaaaaaammmmooour plaaaateees

[exotic copper]

and glamour space

[maiden lodge]

I for one won't miss spending 6 tokens to get something equivalent to 4 token accessories in all ways

[unborn lantern]

all that farm for one belt..

[subtle pasture]

Huh, remember how the 2nd materia slot on accessories this tier was an oversight.

[unborn lantern]

pooooofs

[subtle pasture]

Prob helped them prove the math that belts could be trimmed

[maiden lodge]

You mean on dungeon, and normal gear. The second slot on Tomestone and Raid was there all expac

[subtle pasture]

or was that just— yeah okay.

I don’t think it had much impact either way

[maiden lodge]

I mean we already know they can make the system work around two stats ranging from +0 to +99

That's not in question

[exotic copper]

The last time I remember a person predicting critical failure for a mathematical system in an mmo was armor pen in wow

I'm sure there are more recent examples

but its pretty infrequent

and they hired the dude who predicted the critical failure

[maiden lodge]

Yeah, the bigger threat is overflow errors

[languid breach]

Imagine doing savage with bis and the boss suddenly decides that the black mage looks tasty

[exotic copper]

isn't that what usually happens

i guess its more like the blm thinks the ley lines are tasty

then the boss eats the blm

[opaque hemlock]

Curious how the removal of Belts will effect the Speed Belt

Just dump the stats into Elemental gear? The item is incredibly rare and sells (or sold) for a fortune

[exotic copper]

i dont even know what that is

[opaque hemlock]

It's found in Eureka

Very rare NM drop that provides Eureka-exclusive stat boosts

[maiden lodge]

Either the Calamity Salvager will have an alternative or meh

[exotic copper]

what do you do with it

maybe that doesn't make sense

why do you want it, other than "make good stats"

[rain onyx]

They might move the stats/haste on it to another slot of gear

Like the optical hat and Cassie earring

[opaque hemlock]

Mm guess that'd make sense.

[rain onyx]

That’s basically the only problem belt though, AFAIK

not counting any GC belts that I might be forgetting, since they sometimes have a “set” bonus

[maiden lodge]

I don't even think there are GC belts, but if there are, the set bonus doesn't require a belt, necessarily

And the ilvl 55 looks for 'Sanction', a potion buff

[exotic copper]

hammers

[deep roost]

Always loved the idea of set bonus in gear. It made MH really fun to play with mixed sets.

[tardy elm]

Is there going to be level 9 materia in 6.0?

[balmy mesa]

maybe. maybe not, we don't know

they did rework materia a little bit in the last couple expansions though

[heady shadow]

they got rid of mind and vitality yes?

[teal geyser]

all main stat stuff yes

[heady shadow]

ah yes

[gaunt star]

they also introduced 7+8 with 7 being worse than 6 to do a more gradual bump on top-end materia without making things weird

[wary perch]

I don't understand grade 7 material

[gaunt star]

well worse = give less stats, 6 can't be overmelded past the first slot so 7s have actual use cases

[wary perch]

What's the purpose?

[gaunt star]

100% for overmelds

[wary perch]

Oh

[gaunt star]

outside of that they're completely useless

[teal geyser]

Yeah grade 8 materia is upgraded 6

grade 7 materia is upgraded 5

basically

[dim sigil]

Theres meme melds

[balmy mesa]

9 and 10 will fill the same role if they continue with it

[half phoenix]

I doubt it

We can’t really max stats in most gear now anyways

[balmy mesa]

it depends

though we've been shitting materia out the ass everywhere when it comes to general content

(I still don't regret selling 99 red mat6 for 50k per, was worth it)

[half phoenix]

Wouldn’t surprise me if at some point they just scrap materia as a whole

[balmy mesa]

I think they kind of want to

But I think that only really applied to the main stat materia, so who knows

[half phoenix]

Well first elemental because no one really used it. Main stat because it was too powerful. Next will probably be crit dh, maybe det

[woven escarp]

materia was only added because people cried and begged for it

it wasn't a thing until.. 2.2? 2.3?

"why can't we customize our gear?"

[balmy mesa]

honestly nowadays materia is only relevant to world-first speedrunners and crafters

[woven escarp]

bitch, you only put the best stats on the items anyway

so what's "customization"

other than BIS with extra steps

[balmy mesa]

they just want to fill holes with things

[woven escarp]

well, they can fill their shitting hole with their fist

but I guess their head is already there so it'll be a tight fit

[balmy mesa]

that's monk's job

[woven escarp]

I'd be fine with getting rid of materia, but then there's like, 9 million different kinds of beast tribe currency that's now worthless because you only use it to get materia

[teal geyser]

huh so that one MSQ quest and crafting quests were added post release?

[unique verge]

Ehhhh idk, the materia thing is pretty relevant because of varying GCD desires between different jobs on the same armor

[woven escarp]

I vaguely remember materia not being in the game at launch

[balmy mesa]

a lot of the QoL stuff introduced with materia was a godsend

extract materia? No biggie, you won't lose it

that said tho, part of me was secretly disappointed when they decided to pull an Oprah cos I could convert clusters into materia and make super-easy gil

[unique verge]

I dont really see a way for materia to go away at this point, without them adding alot more gear options

[cosmic herald]

If WoL is Cecil and Estinien is Kain then who will be our Rosa?

[teal geyser]

Zenos

[wary perch]

Zenos is obviously golbez

[dim sigil]

Ystola ia fusoya

[balmy mesa]

I have a hunch they're gonna make him a bit more three dimensional

I bet you ishikawa is going to make us fucking cry

and make us feel bad for zenos

[unique verge]

Might make some other people cry

Aint gonna make me cry

Zenos gets exactly one mercy from me - a bullet

[balmy mesa]

I fully expect him to go out with a bang (or hate-fuck if you're of that persuasion)

[tulip geyser]

Eh I dunno. I kinda get the Ascians, they're tempered and figure they're fixing some huge cosmic mistake.
Zenos is doing this for kicks

To be fair, we may have known him, and that will be interesting to explore.

[unique verge]

Right. Even though his actions are monstrous, you "understand" why Emet is doing what he's doing, as well as the others.

There's no "understanding" or "reasons" with Zenos

[balmy mesa]

I don't mind that he's a "pretty boy" though, it's a refreshing change from the usual villains we get in FF

[unique verge]

He's just a dickbag who will kill anyone and anything just to get himself off

[balmy mesa]

now, don't kink shame

I reckon Zenos will give Fandaniel some stabby stabby very early on ("I'm sorry, but you bore me") and then he's gonna do whatever he does

[unique verge]

Not how i think it will go down, at this point

I originally was of that opinion as well

[balmy mesa]

yet the feeling that why he called down those 5G towers is to trigger Lunar Cry is what I get

[unique verge]

But I think that Fandaniel survives at least until we get to the Moon

I also think Zenos will never leave the Source

[dim sigil]

Fandan is gonma be the "final" boss like Innocence was

[unique verge]

Unless you count whatever the final trial is if it goes into weird "space" things

I think Fandaniel may be the one that facilitates us ending up on the moon in the first place.

[tulip geyser]

Fancy Daniel is probably playing all of us, Zenos included. If Zenos gets his smackdown, in addition the the chaos it will cause it very conveniently removes the biggest obstacles to any sort of resistance to the Final Days.

[balmy mesa]

like Anima?

[unique verge]

Hence why i think he's gonna transport the WoL to the moon, and force us to kill/eat Zodiark

There will be some manner of hostage-type things involved

for Fandaniels endgame to be realized, Hydaelyn and Zodiark both must die or be otherwise removed from the playing field

[balmy mesa]

legit question though, if you ate zodiark, what flavour would he be?

[unique verge]

Purple

[tulip geyser]

Blackcurrant

And I agree with you there. I do hope we get to chat with both of the crystals before they're out tho. Thats near the top of my lorehype moments

[unique verge]

Eh

I've thought about that but

[tulip geyser]

I mean...if Zodiark can talk and hasnt gone full Azathoth cause we killed Elidibus

[unique verge]

tbh any conversation with Hydaelyn (since its been so long since that last happened)

[balmy mesa]

It'd be good to talk to Daddy Zodiark

[unique verge]

is going to go along the lines of "Excuse me but what the fuck? You didnt fill me in on all of this critical knowledge why?"

[tulip geyser]

Thats why I want to talk to her lol

[unique verge]

Like, i hope we get to bitch smack Venat a few times before the end just for being a moron

[tulip geyser]

Her heart was in the right place, but I think she was lied to

[unique verge]

Regardless of that

If Hydaelyn had clue'd in her "chosen" hero as to what was actually going on

this shit could have been resolved a long ass time ago

[pastel coyote]

I disagree here: if the only thing that make you feel alive is what he do, it's not a surprise that he do it.

[tulip geyser]

See Ive been wondering about that.
Hydaelyns first and foremost purpose is basically Zodiark's jailer. And I distictly remember that 5.0 stinger from Elidibus that 'Her children remain ignorant, as she prefers'

[balmy mesa]

that's what the point of Shadowbringers is

[tulip geyser]

Was it just her figuring that information control is best for helping jail Zodiark?

[unique verge]

I meant that from the standpoint of "there is no logical or legitimate reason to feel sympathy for his actions"

[balmy mesa]

It made us doubt Hydaeylens's motives

[unique verge]

Well right, her motives are pretty trash

and methods are worse

[pastel coyote]

Well his choice are limited: dying, living a life as good as dead, doing what he do

[balmy mesa]

Zenos only wants to start an OnlyFans

[tulip geyser]

So far since the WoL and Hy have been in sync because stopping the Ascians was beneficial. But I think they'll come into conflict when WoL decides that they want more information from Zodiark himself or even contemplate having to summon him as things become more progressively on fire

[balmy mesa]

So he has only OnlyFandaniel help him

[unique verge]

There's been a few things in the interviews / translations which allude to this possibility. That we might have to make a pretty big sacrifice to get victory this time.

and we know that Zodiark doesnt leave the parking lot without a gas tank full of souls

[tulip geyser]

Thats even if he can do anything this time. He's still pretty busted up.

[unique verge]

Eh, i think that problem solves itself

the Ascians didnt directly try to wake him or whatever yet because of presumable risks in doing it early, but they also pretty much imply through their actions that full rejoining is not necessary

[balmy mesa]

Only 8 rejoinings were needed

[tulip geyser]

G'raha's future looked pretty Zodiark free to me

[unique verge]

Its a question of "needed" vs. "wanted"

[pastel coyote]

yep we don't know how many rejoining are needed

[unique verge]

Like, yeah, its not ideal to drive your car with a couple of flat tires

but in a pinch you can

I suspect it'll be like that

[balmy mesa]

It was pretty shit though.

[tulip geyser]

Usual stuff after a Calamity, and it was recovering a bit by the time G'raha left iirc. Only reason the Seventh wasnt as horrible was because firebirdy

[proper rivet]

And the 9th calamity hadn't happened yet when G'raha left for the first.

[unique verge]

huh

[proper rivet]

the calamities were typically spaced a 1000 or more years apart

from what I recall at least

[unique verge]

Oh, you're just saying "a 9th hasnt happened yet"

in the apocalypse timeline, anyway

[proper rivet]

G'raha only mentioned that the 8th needed to be undone

[unique verge]

Its fairly reasonable to assume that the 8th may have gone poorly and prevented any future ones anyway.

[tulip geyser]

Seems like we're in a Future Trunks kinda situation where we inadvertently made the future possibly worse if we mess it up

[unique verge]

idk about worse, but

[tulip geyser]

Also, what happens to the shards should the Source go boom, anyhow?

[unique verge]

due to the nature of how the Black Rose functioned in the midst of rejoining of the First, its completely possible that it outperformed expectations and took some or all of the ascians who were on the source with it.

[tulip geyser]

I could see that

[unique verge]

Like, just because of the way that it kills its victims, it should prevent ascian body hopping as well

So it could theorhetically permakill any ascian exposed to it

should have permakilled Zenos too, if he were caught in it

[tulip geyser]

Yeah I think Zenos probably went slavering after us and was caught too

[teal geyser]

If you average shit out then the astral eras are about 16XX years each so closer to 2000 years apart

[teal geyser]

So far as it reset humanity so far that there wasn't any civilizations to cause a calamity unlike after the 7th calamity sure

[unique verge]

I meant moreso that if Elidibus / Emet got caught in the wave, it possibly could have actually killed them

Which would put a gigantic damper on further calamities

[teal geyser]

Which is a big assumption to make honestly

[unique verge]

Yeah. Its speculation on a dead timeline and partial information on what First-fueled Black Rose's capabilities are

has no impact on the prime timeline so no reason not to just pick what i think makes sense and go with it

[wet crown]

it's not a dead timeline. It just doesn't connect to the present anymore

[empty moss]

divergent timelines

[unique verge]

Okay, correction. Its "effectively dead" unless the writers lose their goddamn minds.

[empty moss]

most Japanese Plots then to follow that version of time travel

the only one i know that doesnt is Stiens gate

infact alot of fiction follows divergent bc its easyer to not make plot holes

[wet crown]

I don't think I know any RPG that has is to focused on diverging timelines like 13-2

[half phoenix]

Bravely Default?

[wet crown]

Nop.e

Not even close.

[unique verge]

Chrono Trigger didnt have divergent either

[empty moss]

13's are all bad

[wet crown]

There is no time travel in Bravely

[half phoenix]

Yes there is?

[wet crown]

No, it's world hopping

[pastel coyote]

no

[empty moss]

Dragon ball

Zeeeeeee

[half phoenix]

I thought it was a time loop

[wet crown]

Every world is a different one

[pastel coyote]

Well there is some truth in it but it's not in default

[wet crown]

yes there is lol

it's literally the later focus of the story

[pastel coyote]

wait... yes it's in default but

[wet crown]

it spits that in your face

[pastel coyote]

[tulip geyser]

Making it divergent instead of just erasing it kinda makes it less Ascian-y too...erasing 200 years of history to save the past, but we're the good guys so it doesnt count. Yeah it was a garbage 200 years but like, Star Trek has whole episodes about the moral implications of timehax.

[pastel coyote]

you get what i mean oTacos ?

[empty moss]

i tend to dispise time travel

its too haxy

[wet crown]

why do you play FF then?

[empty moss]

also theoreticly impossable

[pastel coyote]

bru it's possible, i know a guy who is his own great-father /s

[empty moss]

he did the nasty in the pasty

[half phoenix]

No, the theoretically possible, just need to figure out how to reverse cause and effect

[empty moss]

no you need a police box

[pastel coyote]

and a banana

[half phoenix]

If you make the cause happen before the effect, that’s literally time going backwards

[empty moss]

if one has time travel , the best use would to be go back and kill the fish with feet

[half phoenix]

Nah

Then a different lungfish would surface

[empty moss]

but it would change everything

[pastel coyote]

But what if you kill the fish with feet who was supposed to kill the bad fish with feet ?

[empty moss]

i would go back in time and shoot my younger self

see what happens

[half phoenix]

You’d “fade” from existence, or another timeline would be made

[empty moss]

or i become unkillable bc im already dead

[half phoenix]

Nah

[empty moss]

like a living paradox

[half phoenix]

Entropy will always be a thing

[pastel coyote]

It's fun and all but tbf i don't know shit enough (and i doubt anyone do) about realistic time travel

[empty moss]

and reality starts braking down around me

[pastel coyote]

I mean we all know the "i go back and time and kill my parent"

[empty moss]

but that gardian wont be able too

bc im not of its timeline

[pastel coyote]

do you know about.... future cops ?

[empty moss]

i become an unkillable embodyment of chaos

no , but i would be the reason they exist

[pastel coyote]

They will be after you

(yeah this movie is real and yes it's probably "based" on the game you think)

[untold gull]

[unreal wadi]

I just realised something

that hasnt crossed my mind

with the 6.0 damage changes

would that nerf PotD/HoH runs?

solo runs

[unique verge]

Only if SE fucks it up

In theory everything should be proportionally adjusted in such a manner as to render that irrelevant

[tulip geyser]

They'd have to squish eventually anyhow; WoW was having some weird stuff like bosses having so much hp it crashed things. Might as well get it in now

[untold gull]

iirc they said the squish occurs 51-80

[teal geyser]

Yes

[marsh osprey]

do we have any speculations about the new endwalker logo already

is it just flames on the moon or does it mean more, besides dark and red flames

[untold gull]

hole on the moon...

[marsh osprey]

or do we get some cool as shit fire entity to fight

[wary perch]

Hole on hydaelyn after the moon crashed into it

[marsh osprey]

hydaelyns hole

[untold gull]

it took me a while too before i saw the hole on the moon and my perspective shift from just the flames

[wary perch]

Payback from zordiak for the hydaelyn kick

[marsh osprey]

also i guess the other object will be the spaceship

we take to the moon

some allagan stuf as it looks like that

[untold gull]

chances of finding allagan people on the moon?

[marsh osprey]

who knows

they created space travel

so there must be some of them out there

[tulip geyser]

I wouldnt be surprised if theres a few that got stuck on the moon when Xande did his thing

[marsh osprey]

also it would make sense

if theres a allagan spaceship somewhere

that still functions

[craggy pawn]

The flames from the logo look like as if hydaelyn the planet explodes

[tulip geyser]

That would be actually insane.

[marsh osprey]

god im so excited

[tulip geyser]

Be pretty nuts to get a Point of No Return in an MMO lol

[marsh osprey]

exspecially because we get to finish the story with the expansion

not post patch stuff

[unreal wadi]

3 more months

Until fanfest

[marsh osprey]

at least fanfest will reveal a bit more interesting stuff

[craggy pawn]

The teaser reveals so much stuff

Cant wait to see the full trailer

[balmy mesa]

too bad we have to wait til may

which sucks, I was hoping they'd continue feeding us teasers in March and April

though another PLL will be incoming next month (or thereabouts)

[craggy pawn]

Someone pointed out that in the part of the teaser where the whole map burns that the tower in garlemald glows.

So its probably the main controll point for all the other towers.

[wet crown]

I think it looks like Leviathan's head

Obviously it's not Leviathan but come on

[balmy mesa]

what about the godzilla in the map?

[wet crown]

which one?

[balmy mesa]

this guy

[wet crown]

the map always had some accents to it

hard to tell what really matters and what's just flourish

[craggy pawn]

He thicc

[unique verge]

Beefy arms

"Dragon-Man"

Its Trogdor

[wet crown]

it's obv Titan 4.0

[balmy mesa]

he looks a bit more well-done here

what's the name of this place btw? it's hard to tell

[wet crown]

origin

[teal geyser]

^

Also known as Nagyn

Funny fact the original map calls it Nagyn but this trailer one changed it to it's alternative name

And that special attention makes me think we go there in 6.0

[balmy mesa]

it seems like a potential new zone

or, dungeon?

[teal geyser]

Hm I never contemplated it just being a dungeon

[pastel coyote]

it's just harvest moon or whatever the name will be

[teal geyser]

Sounds pretty disrespectful given the lore

[balmy mesa]

I dunno, it's a bit far north

[pastel coyote]

[balmy mesa]

garlemald itself is said to be a bit of a frozen shithole, correct?

[teal geyser]

Tundra

[tulip geyser]

Island will be a nice spot away from all the Termination weather Im sure

[teal geyser]

Someone joked the other day and I love it

Put a tower on the island sanctuary

[gusty quest]

Sees evil tower in the distance

[marsh osprey]

garlemald will be the last checkpoint

before we go to the moon

after it gets burned to a crisp

of course

[teal geyser]

Or just to show that Garlemald is on fire but that's probably true anyway

[marsh osprey]

😏

final boss in 6.0 is uncertain though

what will it be

[tulip geyser]

Garlemordor might be a rescue mission too if theres anyone in there even still alive

[marsh osprey]

i suppose they will make a dungeon with burning garlemald

like aumarot

would fit the theme of arr, sb and shb

burning praetorium, ala mhigo and aumarot

[tulip geyser]

I think we are getting a burning place already but its Thavnair

Than again, apocalypse so by 87+ we'll be hard pressed to find a place not merrily being destroyed I'm sure.

[gaunt star]

Questioning who else is in the Telephoroi with fandango

[teal geyser]

Uhhh

The source of the calamity and....hm

[tulip geyser]

Is it weird I think it wont really be the other Sundered? Most of them seem to just want to do their own thing or at least would disagree mightily about you know, charring everything to ash

[craggy pawn]

Crispy garlemald mhhh

[balmy mesa]

seems medium-rare to me tbh

[tulip geyser]

Might be some likeminded randos he's rounded up tho

[balmy mesa]

crystal braves lul

[tulip geyser]

Or maybe the calamity source has always had cultists or something

Iunno

[teal geyser]

I don't think it is either

I think it's all beings who came from the calamity/the source itself

[tulip geyser]

If the calamity source is sentient, I strongly think its also capable of tempering

[teal geyser]

Sure or at least some corruption of some kind

Which I'm sure is what happened to Fanny

[balmy mesa]

there has to be a reason why they're sending us to palgth'an

[teal geyser]

Tower

Well

Not literally the tower

My assumption is this

[balmy mesa]

yeah, one of them

[teal geyser]

monsters come out of tower
The beastmen freak the fuck out and go "shit we need Ifrit"
*We go and do what we did with the kobolds and also try to deal with monsters

[balmy mesa]

it was also mentioned that... weird... things happened to people who went up to those towers

[craggy pawn]

The people got tempered

But towards garlemald

[tulip geyser]

Well those tower innards are made out of something, thats for sure

[balmy mesa]

had a certain tentacley vibe, yeah

or at least distinctly organic. lul

[teal geyser]

Fucking mindflayers caused all this smh

[balmy mesa]

ah, so squidward's revenge

[craggy pawn]

Inb4 the sound was just squidward playing his clarinette

[balmy mesa]

ha.

[placid sail]

I've been watching a streamer play through FFXIV

he's going through 2.X now

and it made me realize that this whole "Meanwhile, in the Empire..." thing has been going for a lot longer than I remember

the story of the Empire has always been weaving back and forth through our story, and we've always just seen the fall-out of their internal politics on Eorzea

that made me feel a bit less bad about the idea that now that we will finally get to go to Garlemald, the place is a dump

[tulip geyser]

They were doing a pretty good job of ripping the place down even before the disaster twins decided to remodel

[placid sail]

like remember the first war of succession happened back during 2.X

when Solus needed a nap and Varis managed to wrest control in the end

the Garlemald saga feels extremely drawn out for us serial players, but for people who are going through the story now and get it all in sequence it makes a lot more sense

[craggy pawn]

I feel the whole garlemald stuff extremely interresting but also because garlemald was always shown as like that big empire that wants to conquer eorzea and some expansions later its completely destroyed.

[tulip geyser]

See I feel like if Garlamald had been "normal" and not built to collapse at a fingertouch by aether ghosts, they could have actually lasted things out

[gaunt star]

I wonder how the ordinary citizens will react to the mystical WoL entering the country

[tulip geyser]

We're probably portrayed as a horrible thing of magic and weapons that eats children

Usual stuff

[placid sail]

Garlemald tries to portray Eorzeans as savages who object to civilization and will murder any Garleans who dare enter their territory

it's the oldest strategy of all, dehumanize your enemies so your people won't feel bad about butchering them

[craggy pawn]

Seems like now they are the savages themselfes

[teal geyser]

Not me

[placid sail]

of course not

[shut burrow]

Do we know anything about the new Alliance Raids in 6.0?

[teal geyser]

It's an original story about "a long standing piece of lore in Eorzea shrouded in mystery"

Which essentially can only mean one thing

and that's Presence under Silvertear

[shut burrow]

I was thinking that could've been the story for 6.1+

[teal geyser]

Me too but...I'll take alliance raid

[royal scroll]

What connection does that have with ||Lahabrea||?

Since he was shown

[teal geyser]

Alliance raid =/ normal raid

[royal scroll]

Oh

[shut burrow]

Pandaemonium was the normal raids

[royal scroll]

Whoops

Brain fart

[teal geyser]

Yep all good

[royal scroll]

Nevermind me then

[shut burrow]

It's fine

We all get brainfarts

Do you guys think we'll ever explore the New World

It's a whole continent so It'll definately not be in one expansion

[royal scroll]

I suddenly feel like singing Aladdin

[gaunt star]

Hopefully not because that may enbolden the already increasingly blue mages!

[shut burrow]

A whole new worlddd

[teal geyser]

Normally I'd say "yes 7.0" but honestly I'm getting increasingly worried and mad about there seemingly not being a lot of Ilsabard lands

[shut burrow]

Of Blue mages

[teal geyser]

and Ilsabard deserves more zones than it's getting

[shut burrow]

I mean

We explored almost all of Othard

Were probably going to go on an adventure restoring some provinces back to it's former glory

Because that's totally something that would happen

[teal geyser]

Yeah with Othard we just miss most of Hingashi, we basically get no Dalmasca and we get no Nagxia but that's it

[teal geyser]

idk though because think of this

[shut burrow]

We'll probably explore Nagxia in 7.0 and get a Yokai summoning job or smth

[gaunt star]

I hope with 6.1 moving forward we get New World content

[teal geyser]

Hubs

1. ??? big city
2. Radz hub

Zones:

1. Thavnair
2. Garlemald
3. clearly moon
4. probably another Ilsabard zone
5. Genuinely think Origin could be a zone
6. maybe a twist final zone or another Ilsabard zone,

at best this is like, 3 Ilsabard zones which is not enough

[shut burrow]

Origin

[teal geyser]

Yes

lemme explain why

[shut burrow]

An Origin zone

Sorry whenever I think of the word Origin I just think of E.A

[teal geyser]

!faq worldmap

[lusty shadow]

Hydaelyn world map translated by Rommy 🌎

[shut burrow]

Ah yes,

The worldmap

[teal geyser]

did that map load to you?

[shut burrow]

No 😭

[gaunt star]

No

[teal geyser]

hm

one second then

[shut burrow]

R.I.P World Map 🙏

Fly high 👼

[teal geyser]

Nagyn here yeah?

nice and cool

[shut burrow]

It looks so tiny

[teal geyser]

well

check this

[shut burrow]

!faq worldmap

[lusty shadow]

Hydaelyn world map translated by Rommy 🌎

[teal geyser]

check this alright

[shut burrow]

Checks

[teal geyser]

go to the 5.0 trailer, look in the same spot

For some reason

the land is expanded

and the name got changed to the alternative name

[shut burrow]

I mean

[teal geyser]

for no reason

[shut burrow]

Sharlaya was on Eorzea's map

[teal geyser]

except, what if there is a reason

[shut burrow]

And that was before Heavensward

And in 1.0

[teal geyser]

and...Venus?

[shut burrow]

Idk

Why would we go there though?

[teal geyser]

Well

not entirely sure but it certainly has the interesting lore blurb to back it up

maybe it could have to do with the 8-man raid but

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I 1000% think we are going there in some capacity though

There is 0 reason for this change except us going there

[shut burrow]

Would they really make a whole new area just for the Raid Series

Maybe

[teal geyser]

Well no

not going to a new area

if it's the 8-man we'd just go there

Like how we just go to those locations in the Return to Ivalice raid

[shut burrow]

Oh I see

Just like ||Rabanastre|| 🥴

[teal geyser]

Sure

[shut burrow]

||Imagine if we actually go too Dalmasca||

[teal geyser]

but this geographical and name change is super fucking sketchy

[teal geyser]

plz no

[shut burrow]

I hope those clouds go away on the map

[teal geyser]

Ilsabard needs more zones than it's getting

[shut burrow]

I want there to be a floating island nation like Bhujerba

[dawn wave]

sick of the ilsabard clouds

[shut burrow]

Ilsabard clouds, I'm done playing with you open Ilsabard is my new friend

[dawn wave]

i need to see what the hell they’re hiding there

[teal geyser]

Wait correction

I gotta correct myself here

[dawn wave]

wow how rare

[teal geyser]

I just realised the "geographical change" is probably just shadows from the clouds

[dawn wave]

[teal geyser]

Should I take that as ruude or...?

[dawn wave]

just messing with ya

[shut burrow]

I mean your so good with lore It's kind've rare seeing you have to correct yourself

I want to go too Nagxia

[dawn wave]

that does in fact look like cloud shadow

[teal geyser]

yeah

but still!

Name change!

[shut burrow]

It could be naming the gulf

[teal geyser]

it was already named though

[shut burrow]

Hm

[dawn wave]

what’s the alternate name?

[teal geyser]

Was called Nagyn, now it's labelled Origin

[dawn wave]

[shut burrow]

Why is it even called Origin

Is it the Origin of mankind?!?!!

[teal geyser]

same meaning, Nagyn was the Roe name, Origin was the common name it got

[shut burrow]

Will we find Amauroutine ruins there?!!???!

[shut burrow]

Oh well that answers my question

[teal geyser]

I did post that earlier

[shut burrow]

🤪

[dawn wave]

if they mean the same thing then is the name change even significant?

[teal geyser]

Well, why change it?

Unless it has some meaning

and if it has some meaning that probably means we go there

[shut burrow]

Maybe It's because there finally getting rid of those ugly clouds around Ilsabard

[teal geyser]

Nagyn was already on the world map

[shut burrow]

Oh well

[teal geyser]

above the "ard" in "Aldenard"

wait

actually one second

[shut burrow]

What's that island above Aldenard

The big one

OH THAT'S AERSLEANT

Isle of Ham

[teal geyser]

Fuck me trying to find a high enough image of the world map is hard

[shut burrow]

I think If anything were going to to be going too Aersleant

[dawn wave]

so if nagyn is the roe name and origin is its common name, maybe the garleans.... no this doesn’t make sense

[shut burrow]

Valnin

Valnain

What's that?

I've never seen that nation/city before

[teal geyser]

Okay I tried my best. I just wanted to make sure that it was actually called "Nagyn" on the world map and that this wasn't just a label we put on it since we knew what it was from interviews but no it's clearly labelled before we labelled it clearly

[dawn wave]

if the name was changed because of garlean conquest shenanigans then why would it be reflected on an eorzean map?

[dawn wave]

i think “clearly” is subjective here

[shut burrow]

clearly

[teal geyser]

No you can see it's labelled

Just not what it says

but I 100% trust that to say "Nagyn"

since Rommy is a good girl

and I can't find a HQ image

[dawn wave]

that labelled map is a godsend

[shut burrow]

What is this

Why is this above Garlemald

I just realized there are floating islands above Garlemald

I thouight they where whales 😭

[shut burrow]

Oh I see

[teal geyser]

idk, maybe it's natural maybe Garleans made it, not the first time Garlemald would have messed with floating rocks/fortresses

[shut burrow]

I see no mechanical esque things

Hm

[teal geyser]

Reminder that Garlemald literally chained up and brought some floating islands in their conquest of Doma

just carried them through the sky to Doma and used it as a mobile fortress

[shut burrow]

Oh I see

Well those are what they probably are

[teal geyser]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[shut burrow]

So this is Old Sharlaya

[teal geyser]

Yep

[dawn wave]

is sharlayan both the noun and the adjectival form?

[shut burrow]

Idek

[teal geyser]

Yes

have fun

[dawn wave]

weird ass city state

[shut burrow]

Sharlayan

[teal geyser]

The Sharlayan people from Sharlayan love their Sharlayan-esque bullshit

[shut burrow]

I am a Sharlayan from the city state of Sharlayan

The Sharlayans from Sharlayan are really smart

Omg my small brain is getting confused 😭

[dawn wave]

those are all nouns

[shut burrow]

Nouns are my best friend

[dawn wave]

sharlayan philosophy and sharlayan technology from sharlayan

[teal geyser]

Speaking of Sharlayan

I assume this is/was Val

since it was one of the islands that made up Sharlayan and it was "east"

[dawn wave]

good riddance

i’m kidding

[shut burrow]

What's Val

[teal geyser]

The Isle of Val

What later became Eureka

disappeared in 2.X

Where Krile and G'raha are from

[shut burrow]

OH

I see

I forgot about it's actual name 🤪

[gaunt star]

Didn't yoshida wear a shirt with 'be yourself' on his back during the eorzean symphony 2018, this links again to the lyrics
of the sex pistols hint

[forest magnet]

ur thinking about jp fanfest

and it was "b urself b beautiful"

it's a 200 dollar vanity shirt that probably means nothing in retrospect

[gaunt star]

Hmm, its like the sex pistols but opposite

[forest magnet]

so nothing like the sex pistols

[gaunt star]

Still interesting

[kindred rampart]

Reaper with tiny stands they send out

https://i.imgur.com/tJ6Q62N.gif

[kind lark]

444

[royal spruce]

Man it would be cool if we get an emote in the future where we know we do the face swipe thing

[lusty shadow]

Warning issued for rin#0576 on Final Fantasy XIV

Reason: Language. Refrain from using C*cked please
​

Issued By: Sarnai#1867

[teal geyser]

That's a bad word?

[gaunt star]

sounds new to me

[tough fern]

Yes it's hard filtered. Has been for awhile

[gaunt star]

ive used it b4 too lmao

[royal spruce]

[pastel coyote]

Well stupid rule from stupid people i guess

[gaunt star]

ok whats so offensive about it tho

we twitch now?

[wet crown]

I see no issue with it either. This is off

[teal geyser]

checks me

[tough fern]

I don't make the rules I just enforce them

[gaunt star]

[tough fern]

[teal geyser]

based

[gaunt star]

ill enforce u a punch

[wet crown]

Reminds me of that one meme

[gaunt star]

lol

[pastel coyote]

probably a coincidence buuuut

It tell a lot about you

[gaunt star]

anyway as long as it doesnt refer to an actual person i dont see the issue

but ppl too sensitive nowadays

[tough fern]

Okay Saki we get it. You're tough. Good for you.

Anyways

[pastel coyote]

[tough fern]

Try not to trip the hard filter guys

[teal geyser]

I'm just confused about whats bad about it

[gaunt star]

same

[royal spruce]

This is why you work around the filter

[gaunt star]

its just idiotic

[tough fern]

If you really wanna get technical its a nsfw term that's considered derogatory and the admins don't want it used. If you have an issue with that all I can tell you is to take it up with Them

[gaunt star]

what for

[teal geyser]

huh

[gaunt star]

https://tenor.com/view/talking-wall-gif-5021467

it will go like this

[tough fern]

Sath do you know what it means-

[teal geyser]

eh well

when you put it like that...

[gaunt star]

ye

[pastel coyote]

it sound even more stupid

[gaunt star]

man did they remove praetorium or what

never getting it in roulette nowadays

[teal geyser]

good

You don't deserve prae

[strange summit]

Hello there childrens

[gaunt star]

i wanna lvl my sam shut up D:

[strange summit]

Advocating the scythe job again

[pastel coyote]

don't look cool

[gaunt star]

inb4 its not a scythe class either

[strange summit]

yes

But I can dream

[gaunt star]

the AF will be reaper-like and we are all off with its weapon

[random ravine]

melee necromancer

[strange summit]

Not Necro because of the bad image

[gaunt star]

its not necro

they mentioned necro too much to be it

[wet crown]

not to mention the lore

[strange summit]

I follow the Exorcist theory

[pastel coyote]

this is cool

[strange summit]

THIS IS FUCKING COOL YES

[wet crown]

Exorcist would be nice

but only with

[pastel coyote]

especially when you turn to dark flame mod

[strange summit]

yoshi-p lemme be mama Friede

[wet crown]

** U N D O**

[gaunt star]

[pastel coyote]

Only those with good taste can understand it

[gaunt star]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/739444844992135239.gif?v=1

[next quarry]

Undo would be a neat mechanic

Undo combo so you can do the action again

Undo CD

[wet crown]

Undo Knockout - Raise for physical jobs

[craggy pawn]

SCYTHE

[gaunt star]

why cant it be chain blades

[strange summit]

SCYTHE

[high swan]

Queuing for level 71 dungeon on EW launch day would be pretty rough, right?

[gaunt star]

as a healer probably

[high swan]

I imagine a small portion of the server would be queuing as a tank

Data centre i mean

[gaunt star]

huh

[high swan]

Launch day of EW right. Everyone is doing the new content and some people are playing the new healer and melee dps classes

[gaunt star]

yeah thats nothing new

dps and healer queues will be fine for it, not sure about tanks

but theres also trusts

[high swan]

Dungeon queuing plus doing something else is the fastest way to level. But I imagine you will see long queue times because of the lack of tanks at 71

[gaunt star]

id say dungeon queue + fates on the first

[high swan]

Wouldn't it be the opposite? Dps and healer queues are long because of the lack of tanks and the higher amount of healers and dps at the 71-79 bracket

[teal geyser]

No actually I think it'll be fine

People would be leveling the new jobs

Which start at 70

Oh wrong quote but still

[high swan]

Right. But tanks at level 70?

[gaunt star]

yea?

[high swan]

Ok so let's say

The first ShB dungeon. I forget the name

There will be a high amount of melee dps and healers queuing for it in the early days of the expansion. Right?

[gaunt star]

yea

[high swan]

There will also be alot of people doing the 80+ content

[ruby hull]

tank queues will be at their best ❤️ thanks SE

not sarcastic at all, main tank here and I love it

[high swan]

So that leaves less people levelling tanks from 71+

[gaunt star]

Damien is right tbh

people who have tanks at their 70s will queue for easy lvl up

[ruby hull]

joking aside, it will hurt non-tank players at launch

[gaunt star]

during ShB i lvled up my WHM by abusing the fact there were new tank and dps

tho healers queue fast anyway

[ruby hull]

never really had any issue as a tank early during ShB

[pulsar yacht]

I started shb msq as drg and queue wasnt bad so probably will be same in ew unless they really fuck up playability of healers again and theres another healer strike

[gaunt star]

regardless victarion is overthinking it xd

[ruby hull]

I think it was only levelling dungeons that felt closer to 5 mins of queue

[high swan]

This is what I'm trying to say. As people queue as healers and dps they are on a longer wait time as they get matched with a tank. And because of the fewer tanks playing from the 71-79 Dungeon bracket it will be longer wait for healer and dps than normal

[gaunt star]

well trusts exist

if ure unfortunate

which i doubt

[ruby hull]

trusts are not bad if you wanna do a story dungeon for the first time and want to focus on the story pacing of it

so I'd say 81-90 is alright for trusts

[gaunt star]

if the queue is over 10 minites

ure better off doing trusts

[high swan]

I mean. I'm curious what it was like previously for dancer and GNB with possible lack of healers at the time. I don't know to be honest. I'm just guessing and curious if anyone experienced what I expect...

[gaunt star]

i lvl'd my WHM when GNB/Dancer released

queues were mostly instant for Stormblood dungeons

and it was always GNB and atleast 1 dancer

[high swan]

You would be an exception to what most people would do. Alot if people would want to try the new stuff
Why did you level WHM?

[gaunt star]

cause i wanted 1 of each role at high lvl

besides i did new stuff

never said i did lvling first and then expansion

was the other way around

[high swan]

Alright

[gaunt star]

took me 4 days to finish ShB then went to lvl my WHM from 60 to 70

[high swan]

Well you said "when they released" I assume you meant close to launch day

Fair enough

[gaunt star]

pre orders get early access

and not everyone will pre order

[high swan]

Oh damn

[gaunt star]

so at the end of the day ull probably find ppl later too

the core community does pre order tho

[high swan]

I'm pretty sure I pre ordered ShB. Totally forget about the early launch

[gaunt star]

ShB early access was 28th of june

[high swan]

Nice. So I'll level a dps then straight on to a tank to abuse the queue times

[gaunt star]

july 2nd official launch

[forest magnet]

"offical launch"

all servers were patched to 5.0 on june 28

[royal spruce]

I can't wait to get my new pair of earrings that I can't use

[shut burrow]

Scholar rework 🤪

[gaunt star]

Only thing I want for SCH is more uses of the fairy gauge or get rid of it

[balmy mesa]

anything that makes the two pet classes actually usable would be welcome

as it stands smn is pretty nice to play except for the egi assault, sch is just frustrating with the fairy at times

it's just clunky

[gaunt star]

[half phoenix]

There was never a lack of healers when ShB hit

[wet crown]

it was only the casual WHMs complaining about DNC

no queue took longer than usual

except maybe for tanks

[patent condor]

They're going to turn pld into a dps

[half phoenix]

Yea, tanks and range dps had slightly longer queues but nothing more than a few extra minutes.

And then there was the people leveling trusts, so...

[heady shadow]

Big reach speculation about the Azem Imagery in the EW teaser.

||Azem's body is on the moon||

[wet crown]

It's lighting.

You can even see his greaves from the distance

[heady shadow]

...

im gonna screen this for if it did happen i can actually prove it

lul

[wet crown]

I don't doubt the scene is supposed to harken back to something Azem but it's just what I said in that scene.

[heady shadow]

no no your fine.

im just being half alseep

[high swan]

Wait

Who is Azem

[wet crown]

Ahh, a story skipper.

[high swan]

I only skipped ARR

[oak pike]

Azem is technically you ?

i think

[high swan]

Oh, Azem is the Ascian?

[oak pike]

5.3

[high swan]

That Emet see's in us?

[kind lark]

Yeah we're a fragment of them

[wet crown]

Azem is not and never has been an Ascian

[kind lark]

Amaurtian

[wet crown]

It's the Ancient self the WoL used to be. The 14th member of the Convocation of Fourteen.

[high swan]

Its quite convoluted. I just went with it as being typical JRPG storyline

The Convocation of 14 aren't the group of Ascians?

[wet crown]

13 of them have chosen to summon Zodiark, get tempered and thus - become Ascians

[heady shadow]

isnt it just a term the sundered created for them?

[wet crown]

Azem disagreed and left the group

[heady shadow]

they still iirc consider themselves as the Convocation

[wet crown]

An Ascian is someone tempered by Zodiark

[high swan]

Oh, so they are something other than Ascians before they summon Zod. Didn't understand that. Did they have a name?

Ah haaaaaaa

[wet crown]

We know them all by their titles of their offices.

[high swan]

Right

[oak pike]

watch the final battle is gonna be azems body being taken over

[high swan]

So, Emet Selch is his title. His name is Hades?

[craggy pawn]

yep

[oak pike]

yep

[kind lark]

Ah yeah as there's been other selchs right?

[wet crown]

Lahabrea, Elidibus, Emet-Selch, Mitron, Logrif, Pashtarot, Fandaniel, Altima, Halmarut, Igeyorhm, Deudalophon, Emmeroloth and Azem.

Their actual names, we only know some of.

[high swan]

And Azem, who is one of the 14 choose to summon Hyda?

[wet crown]

Emet-Selch - Hades
Mitron - Artemis
Logrif - Gaia

[high swan]

Logrif - Gaia

[wet crown]

Azem didn't want to summon Hydaelyn either

[oak pike]

we gonna learn lahabread name soon probably

[high swan]

Oh damn, im only doing the Eden quests now, just killed Ramuh

[wet crown]

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[kind lark]

Wamuu

[high swan]

Yeah i know, its fine

[wet crown]

my hands are clean.

[high swan]

I wasn't raging against you 😛

Anyway, seems i need to read a wiki on the storyline or something

Cause it seems alot of the MSQ went over my head

[oak pike]

Ascians story is easy to lose track tbh

[wet crown]

it's one of the things ShB focuses on though...

[oak pike]

ye

the lore dump in ShB is nice just the information before

[heady shadow]

azem ||didnt agree with summoning zodiark to combat the end of days, because the sacrifices would be too great.
Azem told the side who summoned hydaelyn to fuck themselves basically after the fact. We dont know what Azem was doing at the time, possibly finding a way to stop bpth primals. and well we see the results of it i guess.||

[oak pike]

yall remember Travanchet?

that one ascian who gave mide the horn to summon alexander

[high swan]

Zodiak being summoned is what split the uh.....source into 13 shards, right?

[heady shadow]

no

[high swan]

Damn

I thought i knew something there for a second

[craggy pawn]

Hydaelyn split the source

[high swan]

Who summoned her

[turbid aspen]

Venat and her group

[reef thistle]

Want to know what's under silvertear lake after that one scene at the end of the raid story.

[turbid aspen]

Bunch of ancients who were like “zodiark bad” and summoned smth to stop him

[high swan]

https://tenor.com/view/frustrated-ugh-headache-gif-7532429

So they are known as the Ancients, alright

What uh....caused the end of days for the ancients

[subtle pasture]

Team Venat said no more sacrifices and summoned Hydaelyn, who did battle with Zodiark, but that fight ended with her Sundering everything while she bound him

[turbid aspen]

We don’t know

[subtle pasture]

Dunno, it's the big spooky Sound

[high swan]

And for some reason Hydaelyn choose us, and we are also Azem

[oak pike]

not completely azem

just technically

[high swan]

But like, how?

[oak pike]

the azem stuff is new

[high swan]

Other than "jrpg magic"

Azem is our ancestor?

[subtle pasture]

Pure random chance, we just happened to be incarnated with a Shard of theirs

[oak pike]

just every shard have an azem piece

[subtle pasture]

all there really is to connect us to Azem further is similarities between us and Ardbert (how Seto points out we're both genuinely kind people),

[gaunt star]

We are the fragmented soul of Azem

[high swan]

Ardbert is a shard of Azem? Is this a thing?

[gaunt star]

Yes

[subtle pasture]

Aye, that's why he merged with us at the end of ShB

[gaunt star]

^

[high swan]

Ok, so why is Azem so important then? What did he actually do

noice

[gaunt star]

He was besto friendo with Hythlodaeus and Emet Selch

[serene crest]

Azem then basically did what we do now. Wander the earth and solve problems with friendship powers.

[gaunt star]

^

[high swan]

haha

[gaunt star]

Also Azem loved grapes

[oak pike]

Azem is known as the traveler

[subtle pasture]

Azem the Traveler was a Convocation Seat that went around dealing with things, even when the rest of the Seats decided to do nothing

[gaunt star]

^

[high swan]

Alright

[gaunt star]

The Troublebreaker

[high swan]

So he was a decent bloke

[gaunt star]

Yes

[high swan]

Didn't want to summon any primals

[subtle pasture]

They were, aye. And yeah

[oak pike]

Azem believed there was another way to stop the end

[high swan]

Right, but he didn't achieve his ideals in the end because as we know, shit went down between Hyde and Zod

[gaunt star]

Azem sigil when

[subtle pasture]

They refused to partake in all the sacrifices and summonings, and in all likelihood a Shard of Azem was the first Warrior of Light who the primal was based on

[gaunt star]

^

Still surprised Elidibus didn't notice who we are