retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[deft burrow]

Its neither umbral or astral

[brisk quail]

It's magic that's pure neutral

[deft burrow]

mhm

[exotic copper]

I'm fine with this argument

[floral aurora]

Wouldn't the guys in lore channel fix this debate?

[deft burrow]

No need to change it lol

[exotic copper]

We should redo glare

And despair

[floral aurora]

Let me ask them

[exotic copper]

to be like, light blue

to show how unaspected ti is.

[dull trench]

but holy and despair ARE NOT PURE NEUTRAL

[deft burrow]

That's what I'm been trying to say xD

[dull trench]

thats the issue

[deft burrow]

I mean game wise they are

[exotic copper]

No they are yakumo

we have to go back

[wet crown]

[exotic copper]

and change the spell effects

[deft burrow]

An ascian could cast them both

[wet crown]

you people are just

[deft burrow]

Regardless of aspect

[brisk quail]

It's not astral or fire leaning like Fire 123

Or umbral or ice leaning like blizzard 123.

It's neutral. Perfectly balanced between the elements as a pure neutral

[deep roost]

cast gravity magic! Oh no what element is gravity... wut?

[wet crown]

Aspected - magic that leans into an element
Unaspected - magic that leans into no element

[deft burrow]

^

[wet crown]

that's it, literally

[deft burrow]

Its not that hard to understand

[exotic copper]

Unaspected aether (aether that has a balanced elemental aspect) can also be pulled to an Umbral or Astral state. For example, the Seventh Umbral Calamity, wrought by Bahamut's wrath, is said to have been a Calamity of all elements in an astral state.

huh

well ya see kids

spells can be astral

even unaspected

[wet crown]

yh, so?

[floral aurora]

Lore channel kind of dead atm lol

[wet crown]

doesn't contradict what I said

[exotic copper]

I'm down with it

So glare is astral

[wet crown]

being astral or umbral doesn't mean magic can't be unaspected

[deep roost]

Fire umbral and fire astral is still aspected

[wet crown]

yes

[dull trench]

okay

but

[exotic copper]

umbral is still umbral, even unaspected.

[wet crown]

a heatwave is umbral fire
an explosion is astral fire

[exotic copper]

How about this

"unaspected umbral damage"

[deft burrow]

It was all astral elements @exotic copper

You're misinterpreting that

[exotic copper]

ALL ELEMENTS ARE ASTRAL

[wet crown]

static is umbral lightning
a thunderbolt is astral lightning

[deft burrow]

Bahamut's calamity involved all elements in an astral state, its referring to all elements in the astral classification

[exotic copper]

Eorzean scholars believe that the elements are drawn to two polarities, Astral and Umbral, which represent active and passive states of aether. Where fire-aspected aether in Astral alignment may manifest as a wildfire, fire-aspected aether in an Umbral alignment may manifest as a dry heat.

so fire can be both

because thats how it works

and bahamut took UNASPECTED MAGIC

AND MADE IT ASTRAL

[floral aurora]

I'm guessing Sage would be an Unaspected Job right?

[deft burrow]

Yes

[wet crown]

irrelevant but yes

[exotic copper]

naspected aether (aether that has a balanced elemental aspect) can also be pulled to an Umbral or Astral state. For example, the Seventh Umbral Calamity, wrought by Bahamut's wrath, is said to have been a Calamity of all elements in an astral state.

all

[floral aurora]

Just trying to understand the difference all of you are saying about aspected and Unaspected

Not too much into lore

[exotic copper]

Unaspected Umbral and Unaspected Astral are perfectly fine lore friendly statements.

[deft burrow]

No, its stating that when exposed to certain conditions unaspected magic can be swayed into either umbral or astral classifications, thus becoming for example ice magic from an unaspected state.

[exotic copper]

No

Read it again.

[floral aurora]

I'm too casual. Just give me some cool and I'm good. I think the major thing I remember on BLM story was BLM was considered too powerful/dark that it was banned

Or did I remember wrong?

[exotic copper]

, is said to have been a Calamity of all elements in an astral state.

[clear cipher]

The War of the Magi is why Black Magic is bant

specifically Mhach

[deft burrow]

Aether that has a balanced elemental aspect, when it has an imbalance it becomes swayed, it is not longer unaspected if it is imbalanced. So what happened was the unaspected aether turned into aspected aether that just so happened to be astral under Bahamut's calamity. @exotic copper

You're not understanding it

[clear cipher]

White Magic is kept under a tight leash by the Elementals

[brisk quail]

And that doesn't disprove that we use pure unaspected magic.

So you're just talking in circles for no reason

[wet crown]

Omg, last try I will try to explain this

Aspected - Magic that leans into an element
Unaspected - Magic that leans into no elements

Astral - Active
Umbral - Passive

Fire, Wind, Lightning lean towards being astral but can also be umbral
Water, Ice and Earth lean towards being umbral but can also be astral

Light and Darkness are polarities, NOT elements

[brisk quail]

[deft burrow]

Umbral unaspected and Astral unaspected don't exist

[floral aurora]

But if some adventurer to use the dark arts publicly, they would be in alot of trouble still right?

[deft burrow]

Unaspected means it has NO lean

[exotic copper]

who is even arguing that they are elements at this point

[brisk quail]

You can't make an unaspected magic umbral or astral without introduction of an element

[deft burrow]

^

[brisk quail]

Which at that point it becomes aspected

Both in umbral/astral. And elementally

[deep roost]

hmm?

[wet crown]

I will leave you alone with this because you are just ignoring me anyway.

[dull trench]

okay but white magic and dark magic are not the same kind of magic and unaspected implies that they are and that kinda bothers me

[wet crown]

it doesn't, you are being stupid

[gaunt star]

Kinda just have to deal with it

[dull trench]

i dont wanna just have to deal with it when my friends constantly whine about how white and black mage just use generic unaspected magic when light and dark magic are not generic and do have a theme

[exotic copper]

he does raise a point about things being classified as "white" and "Black" and "Red" magic. How does that play into your idea

Red mages balance white and black magic

what does that make those things

[dull trench]

yeah how can you balance unaspected magic against unaspected magic

[exotic copper]

I dont mean that

I mean what is jolt

[gaunt star]

Jolt is unaspected

[exotic copper]

Yeah cool. What physically is happening with jolt.

[dull trench]

I just think they should add a spell being light or dark or red to spell descriptions that's literally all I want

[brisk quail]

They shoot a bolt of unaspected magic

[deft burrow]

Its balanced between all elements

[exotic copper]

and why is jolt named after an element

[gaunt star]

I assume it’s like magic missile

[exotic copper]

when its unaspected

[deft burrow]

Its not

[brisk quail]

White and Black magic refers to HOW they use the magic

[deft burrow]

Jolt is not an element

[brisk quail]

Bte

[dull trench]

It's like Flare

[exotic copper]

Do you frequently say that something jolted you that is not electric

[deft burrow]

I jolted forward.

Am I talking about lightning?

[exotic copper]

Idiom.

[dull trench]

Sounds like fire magic but is actually dark magic in most final fantasies

[exotic copper]

I jolted forward, like electricity.

[deft burrow]

Jolt /=/ electricity

[exotic copper]

I realize that.

But you don't choose to use the word jolt unless you're talking about electricity.

It's a very contextually specific verb.

[brisk quail]

Uhhh... I jolted awake.

[deft burrow]

Jolt is just a sudden movement

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[brisk quail]

After hearing my alarm blare

[gaunt star]

Jolt just means abrupt, sharp etc

[dull trench]

I thought it was drawing aether from the void/zodiark while white magic was drawing aether from nature/hyedalyn

[exotic copper]

I KNOW WHAT JOLT MEANS FFS

[brisk quail]

Nope.

Not exactly there's alot more than just black magic dark, white magic good.

[exotic copper]

I can write 3000 sentences that don't use jolt in reference to electricity. But in my day to day life

[dull trench]

True

[exotic copper]

when do i use jolt

when i get shocked.

Why pick such a dumb verb

[drowsy ivy]

how often you getting jolted but not shocked

[exotic copper]

It's used as a synonym

[deft burrow]

No

Shocked and jolted mean completely different things

Jolted is an action, shocked is an expression

[dull trench]

I mean when the bus comes to a sudden stop I get jolted too

[exotic copper]

yeah man i got hit with the jolt of electricity but i wasn't shocked.

i'm done with you

[brisk quail]

Shocked implies a fear, a suprise or an electrical current.

Jolt implies a sudden movement or a quick burst

You can can receive a jolt of energy

But not a shock

You can get shocked by electricity

But not jolted

[exotic copper]

WRONG

https://www.britannica.com/science/electrical-shock#:~:text=Electrical shock%2C the perceptible and,discharge from a power line.

[brisk quail]

the shock

[drowsy ivy]

pikachu can use Thundershock and Thunderbolt but no Jolt
so is it REALLY about electricity?

[exotic copper]

jolt of static electricity

jolt of static electricity

jolt of static electricity

[brisk quail]

You're dumb

[exotic copper]

i'm out

you're just obtuse and wrong

[brisk quail]

the shock may range from an unpleasant but harmless jolt.

SHOCK

Read

Jesus

It's not hard

[drowsy ivy]

guys how many thunderjolts should my next PSU be?

[deep roost]

I'm thunderstunned at all of this

[dull trench]

calm down

damnit you guys have diluted my argument with pointless bickering

[brisk quail]

But does it say anything about electricity

Or just suprise?

[exotic copper]

well lets look up shock

[brisk quail]

Seems like just suddeness

[drowsy ivy]

shock as in a sudden surprise movement.
not electricity

Context Clues baby

[exotic copper]

oh wait we already did

[dull trench]

english is a stupid language

elrek just stop for a moment

i wanna just go back to what i said at the beginning

[exotic copper]

Nah dog I'm done with this, people are like 15

Your original argument was basically harmless but had lore implications. good luck with it.

[drowsy ivy]

Youre the one who cant handle being wrong about a vocab word smh

[exotic copper]

bro go back to english class

[dull trench]

i want the spell descriptions to just mention that light magic is light magic and dark magic is dark magic because clearly despair =/= holy

[deep roost]

racists magic if u ask me

[brisk quail]

I recommend learning how aether and black/white magic play into themselves.

[dull trench]

and calling them both unaspected can imply that despair and holy are both just bland energy

[brisk quail]

It's a very intresting topic

Ask #archived-lore-spoilers about it

[deep roost]

Maybe magic! Didnt land on black! But black! Landed on magic !

[dull trench]

ruin is like truly unaspected, same as red mage unaspected stuff and most other magicks in the game

but white mage is clearly lighter magic than both and despair is quite the dark magic

[brisk quail]

Most of it is likely for gameplay

[dull trench]

its not tho

[brisk quail]

Because something something Blue mage with their element damage up

[dull trench]

it was but not anymore

[brisk quail]

And despair + all their fire kit

Would be mega yikes

[dull trench]

and if we add more "elements" that would just make blue mage even more fun

[brisk quail]

We do though?

We have every element

Specifically blue mage having MANY spells of each element

[dull trench]

but yet white mage's cool bright magic and black mage's awesome dark magic are both considered yawn unaspected

[deep roost]

We need a meme element

Just spits out umbral memes

[dull trench]

and paladin's magic could also be considered holy and dark knight's magic could be considered dark

[deep roost]

My sides

positive magics and negative magics and non-elemental positive magic = Holy and non-elemental negative magic = Gravity

As examples

[dull trench]

i dont think you'd call black mage magic gravity

as that is already both a spell name and doesnt make much sense

i mean gravity sure would bring a meteor down and meteor is a black mage spell but regardless

[deep roost]

GigaFlare then would be a non-elemental negative magic

aka unaspected umbral magic

[dull trench]

yeah

and i am of the opinion that normal flare and also despair should be considered non elemental negative magic as they have been the entire series up to now

[deep roost]

or a cerulean pulse rifle would be unaspected umbral energy

[floral aurora]

We fixed the aspected and Unaspected debate yet? XD

[dull trench]

no

[floral aurora]

Lol

[gaunt star]

[heady shadow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwrhcP_xxhk

[floral aurora]

I so want a Super Mario shot in that moon part of the trailer

Especially since Mario has a cape xD

[severe brook]

Bards in 6.0 should be able to put Woody Guthrie's Guitar decal on their Bows

[balmy mesa]

I propose that we have "bland magic" and "spicy magic"

(re: the earlier discussion)

[woven escarp]

brown magic?

[spiral wagon]

two person dances when????!!!!

[velvet fox]

Probably never due to animation issues with height differences.

[spiral wagon]

[untold gull]

[spiral wagon]

imagine if they did somehow implemented partner dancing but dual limit breaks where you and another party member perform a sort of super limit break

[deft burrow]

Need new engine for that

[spiral wagon]

floaty man

[final wing]

i think itd be cooler if they added player specific limit breaks that were also class specific

like a high damage attack for samurai and dragoon but a buff plus damage for dancer or bard

[spiral wagon]

winter in canada be like

[iron scaffold]

which server is this?

[spiral wagon]

zalera

damn it
|| i shouldve done machinist so i could see the machinist dude in the crowd of the performance||

||with the characters for dark knight are there, the dude for astrologian is shown on the right as the camera is panned over||

[floral aurora]

I sort of wanted something special if I had another Dancer with me in the party

Like maybe a certain Dance step that only activate with two dancers

[deft burrow]

All three shirts that YoshiP was seen wearing on announcement day are references to rock bands

[pine epoch]

Ah yes

[deft burrow]

No Comment
Neighborhood
Children of Bodom

[balmy mesa]

rock bands 🤔

[deft burrow]

yeah

[balmy mesa]

geomancer?

[deft burrow]

Melee Geomancer?

[balmy mesa]

nah, I jest, seems unlikely

[deft burrow]

I doubt it

Rock bands have lots of references to death

¯_(ツ)_/¯

More pointing to scythe class perhaps

[balmy mesa]

possibly - tho all it shows is that yoship has a wide range of tastes

in music

[lime estuary]

I thoroughly believe itll be a scythe job with a name we havent heard before.

[deft burrow]

Mhm

[pine epoch]

Like how we had gunblades in FF history but never a Job associated with the gunblade. So even if you guessed a job wielding gunblade for shb

There was 0 way to guess gunbreaker

[earnest sedge]

Which cutscene is this

Im curious now

[pine epoch]

Ishgard restoration

If your server is done

There is a finale quest line

[balmy mesa]

since Cat is from Tonb, it was done before rankings even finished

[spiral wagon]

theyre in tonberry they should be done

[deft burrow]

I think Lamia is done too

[gaunt star]

I want to believe the name of the job is somewhere in the shirt cuz they've never left it out

for previous ones

but if it is an exclusive class it's very likely we're only getting an obscure reference

[tropic frigate]

so many options on the shirts

[woven escarp]

I don't think we would have guessed "sage", much like gunbreaker

so they just told us outright

the shirts are a big rabbit hole to fall through though, because the clue is so faint anything could be the clue if you don't know what you're looking for

[gaunt star]

Going off of older ones, I think the weirdest one was the director's name for samurai

even then

Dark knight, scarlet witch those are super obvious

[deft burrow]

Yeah..

Maybe its obvious scythe class

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[woven escarp]

my first thought was "reaper" and then my second thought was "why the fuck would they name a job reaper?"

[deft burrow]

RPR

[gaunt star]

He outright said "The obvious answers are not correct"

[maiden lodge]

That's not obvious what that is though. Red Mage, Dark Knight, kinda iconic jobs. "uses a scythe" not so much.

[deft burrow]

Mhm

[maiden lodge]

I'm on team Scythe. Not on team Reaper

[deft burrow]

Where?

[gaunt star]

I can't help but feel like him stating that would mean the answer is there

During the stream when he was talking about it

[echo orbit]

it's necromancer, gotta be

[deft burrow]

He didn't say the obvious answers are not correct

what

[balmy mesa]

could it potentially be another pet class?

[maiden lodge]

It's obviously not.

[deft burrow]

not in the announcement anyway

[gaunt star]

It was liveletter

[tropic frigate]

are they all really rock bands?

[echo orbit]

already got the spectral necromancer as preview

[deft burrow]

Yeah

[balmy mesa]

like, not beastmaster, but something else

[tropic frigate]

damn

i mean

[echo orbit]

wait, rock bands?

then it's geomancer

[tropic frigate]

yea

[deft burrow]

no

[maiden lodge]

Getting from scantily clad caster to dragoon-armor melee is requires leadership of the Fantastic Four to stretch that far

[balmy mesa]

idk if yoship wants to do another pet class after the hell that he has trying to balance summoner and scholar's pet AI

[tropic frigate]

like all three shirts right?

or only two?

[deft burrow]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Neighbourhood

[balmy mesa]

two are metal, one is alt-rock with a identity crisis

[deft burrow]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_Bodom

[woven escarp]

the pet AI is... nonexistent in this game lmao

[tropic frigate]

death metal band hmmm

[deft burrow]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Comment_(band)

Right?

Death metal

Scythe class

[tropic frigate]

nah its just if it were all rock

i woulda been sold

[woven escarp]

powerviolence lmao

that certainly describes a melee dps that wears maiming gear

[maiden lodge]

Watch we're all wrong and it's Percussionist

Hammer using drummer

[woven escarp]

it's a fwiggin hammer job

[maiden lodge]

'You wanted a bard that didn't use arrows'

'here it makes music by bashing skulls in'

[deft burrow]

I do wonder what it will be called

Ugh I can't believe we have to wait till May

Or maybe they'll find it in the files when 5.5 drops

Like SAM

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[woven escarp]

everyone knows that the sound a pubby's head makes is like a ripe watermelon

[echo orbit]

what's in may?

[woven escarp]

fanfest

wew

that's when we'll find out what chinese bootleg statue we're getting with the CE

[deft burrow]

Fanfest where they will reveal the melee dps job and other stuff regarding Endwalker

[tropic frigate]

hoping for the full trailer

[deft burrow]

Probably full trailer too

[tropic frigate]

i think shadowbringers had an extended trailer while revealing the job so we could get a third fanfest to finish

[echo orbit]

ngl after shb trailer ew doesn't quite hit the same

[tropic frigate]

it depends on how the final trailer ends up

[deft burrow]

Well it is just part of it

[maiden lodge]

They'd have announced one by now

[tropic frigate]

but from teasers alone its pretty good

[echo orbit]

nah i saw the preview of shb and the full

[tropic frigate]

do they announce the third?

[echo orbit]

the good part of shb was also in the preview

and the full just expanded on the world a bit more

[deft burrow]

Its a different vibe

Endwalker is more calm

Calm before the storm

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tropic frigate]

i just wanna see the full trailer

i know it can end up better

[echo orbit]

but . . . ew is the finale?

[deft burrow]

I want to hear the music

[tropic frigate]

its gotta be 🔫

[maiden lodge]

Yep, 6.0

[deft burrow]

No I mean like the trailer itself feels like calm before the storm

The music is calm for the most part

Especially the beginning

[echo orbit]

the music will change pretty sure

[deft burrow]

It will

Looking forward to it

[tropic frigate]

that theme could be used for the final boss too

yea it will

shb had big changes

[gaunt star]

Seeing a land burning and a garlean ship falling from the sky doesn't seem very calming

[tropic frigate]

and clear lyrics with everything added on

[deft burrow]

The music

[maiden lodge]

in before these guys come out and say Soken cribbed theirs

[gaunt star]

The music yea it's a lot more chill

[deft burrow]

mhm

[gaunt star]

But we don't have the full trailer yet

[tropic frigate]

in the end it doesnt even matter 😎

[maiden lodge]

It's grunge rock, it's not going to all be chill

[frank raptor]

Do you guys think nier collab will continue at 6.0?

It probably not alliance raid since we know this time its ff14 original

This is just a dream, but if they make it beast tribe like pascal village i gonna shit myself out

[tropic frigate]

god i hope it wont be the raid series

or trial

bot raid

not

[maiden lodge]

No.

[deft burrow]

No the Nier collab will not continue

Its confirmed to be a 14 exclusive

[maiden lodge]

The Nier raid is exactly what we don't want to see more of.

[deft burrow]

^

[gaunt star]

I have a strong feeling the new weapon will be a scythe

[deft burrow]

I hate it

[tropic frigate]

i hate it too

less world building canon

[frank raptor]

Yoshi already confirm both 8 man raid and alliance will be 14 exclusive

[deft burrow]

Like Nier is cool but we want more world building

More lore

[frank raptor]

Guess i'm small minority here 😂

[maiden lodge]

Nier could have tried to you know... make itself relevant to the world its in, and it didn't.

It's pandering to Nier fans, and that's it.

[gaunt star]

Dedicating a whole raid series isn't what I was expecting

I was thinking a trial like mh

[frank raptor]

But considering the 5.5 LL saying "third part" instead "final part" i wonder whats in store for us

[tropic frigate]

i know

it could be the quests afterwards is the end

or it might be the trial series

plsno

[woven escarp]

probably a hidden trial against yoko taro or yoshi-p

[frank raptor]

Tbh the MH trial is underwhelming compared to behemoth in mhw XD

[balmy mesa]

I think they kind of tried, but gave up

[maiden lodge]

Nothing is in store for us. It just sits there past Mt Gulg doing nothing

[woven escarp]

that's the kind of shit yoko taro would ask them to do

[maiden lodge]

They didn't try.

Not even a bit

[tropic frigate]

where is these raids even located?

i skipped cutscenes so

[maiden lodge]

Past Mt Gulg

[balmy mesa]

back side of mt gulg

[frank raptor]

Kholusia east side

[gaunt star]

Behind the mountain

[tropic frigate]

really?

damn

[frank raptor]

After 2nd raid you can see the puppet bunker from sky

[woven escarp]

I still haven't done PB 😔

[gaunt star]

It looks so out of place in size

[woven escarp]

maybe tomorrow if I don't tilt off the face of the earth doing gogo again

[tropic frigate]

us flying in arr makes everthing look smaller

[balmy mesa]

it would've been better if they had tied it to the ronkans or something

[deft burrow]

No

[frank raptor]

Agree though, not to mention something that big is hidden for so lonh

[tropic frigate]

keeper of the lake is small as shit

[deft burrow]

I don't want Nier to be connected to 14 lore wise

[tropic frigate]

compared to dungeon

[maiden lodge]

It's just... it's just there, unaffected by being on a world that was affected by everlasting light so teh First doesn't matter to it, and it doesn't even affect the first, so I mean... what's the point of it?

[deft burrow]

I don't want to reference Nier characters when talking about 14 lore

[woven escarp]

keeper of the lake is very far away from the shore of silvertear you're looking at it from

[maiden lodge]

RtI actually made the world bigger, explained and advanced more of its aetherology and cosmology, and didn't just pander--it told its own unique story.

[woven escarp]

you need a boat to get there normally

[frank raptor]

I still have hope for last part though, hope it can tie so many loose end.

[balmy mesa]

my biggest problem with the Nier raids is just how much of a slog it feels to play through them. pretty much like the PC port of Automata

[deft burrow]

lol

[maiden lodge]

I don't. It had 4 patches to be relevant, and squandered it by being fan service. Do I think there's a good story Yoko Taro could tell? Maybe. But it's long since overstayed its 'how does this matter to FF14' welcome.

[heady shadow]

it only feels like a slog because people arent dpsing

too busy netflixing

[tropic frigate]

delubrum feels like the biggest slog

[frank raptor]

Player with No lost action 😂

[maiden lodge]

Use lost actions, an okay group can do it in around 30 minutes

[gaunt star]

Just do 30k dps 4head

[tropic frigate]

i play tank or healer because its easier to have dps potions with them

[woven escarp]

it's because they're dying to mechanics constantly

everything in nier raids gives vuln up or damage down

[heady shadow]

vuln stacks are tasty

i can understand the addictiveness

[woven escarp]

and they don't stack linearly, some fights the vuln stacks do fuckin nothing

some fights getting two stacks can kill you

[frank raptor]

I love opening DR fight with 16 lost focus stack + reassemble + lost slash

500k dmg and usually i stole tank aggro for like 5 sec 😂

[spiral wagon]

Skycity of Bhujerba

[balmy mesa]

visiting the Skymall

[unborn lantern]

Bozja sucks.. people need to stop liking it or enix will think its okay and make more in the future >:C

It's going to be the end!

[balmy mesa]

I really liked the solo instance before Bozja

[maiden lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-what-really-no-words-huh-gif-4487358

[balmy mesa]

I want to see more setpieces like that.

[somber storm]

Flying for bozja and eureka when

[balmy mesa]

doesn't eureka have flying?

[heady shadow]

no

[balmy mesa]

well, off to the dustbin it goes then

kek

it really bugs me that they gated it behind 70, so there isn't any point going in there to level

HoH is good and all, but it would've been nice, but at least we got Bozja I suppose

[heady shadow]

relics, glam and some stopry i guess

[strange summit]

Hello there fine people

[balmy mesa]

hello!

[old mural]

Fire mage, right?

[marsh osprey]

Hmmmh

Delicious selene pizza

When 6.0 arrives

[empty linden]

Do we know when they plan on announcing new job?

[strange summit]

May

[empty linden]

Ugh

[strange summit]

Ikr

[unreal wadi]

On the digital fanfest

[agile otter]

Next week is the last week of Feb

So its sooner than you think.

[wet crown]

if it ain't today, it's too far into the future

[strange summit]

cry

[empty linden]

May is 3 months away that's a whole season of weather

[strange summit]

Time to go fishing in every corner of Hydaelyn

[swift rune]

you know what I hope for 6.0

it's that the mid-story villain is someone better than ranjit

Heavensward had Niddhog and they were never able to top that

[grave raft]

but the catch is the mid story villain is better than the main villain

[fleet geyser]

yeah did anyone care for the pope?

[swift rune]

it was the case in Heavenward yeah

but like the mid-villain is still an important part of the story, you arguably spend more time dealign with them

[fleet geyser]

ranjit made me really upset when i was first going through the story, but in retrospect he's less bad

though still kinda upsetting that he could basically 1v5 the scions

[swift rune]

fandaniel filling this spot would be for the best

[kind lark]

That ancient scythe weapon arts must be some good shit

[wary perch]

Ranjit had potential then they rush it

[fleet geyser]

that's why we're picking up ranjits scythe in the next expansion

:>

"wow this is really op we gotta use it too"

[kind lark]

We can 1v100 garleans with it

[fleet geyser]

and the class is gonna be called white knight

[kind lark]

Matrix type stuff

[fleet geyser]

because ranjit and thancred both used that class in shb

memes aside, the ranjit scythe stuff made even more confident in the new class being reaper

[kind lark]

Watch as it's something like sage something entirely new

[fleet geyser]

well reaper would be new

outside of ranjit

and i dont actually think we're gonna be fighting that similar to ranjit if we do get a scythe

[placid sail]

Ran'jit is one of my two big issues with Shadowbringers

the other one is that there really was no reason for G'raha and Urianger to lie to the other scions, except that it let them preserve the mystery a bit longer for the big reveal at the end of the Innocence fight

[viscid monolith]

It was perfectly in character for them to lie. They had a set plan that they thought would work and knew the rest of the Scions would object to it.

[shut burrow]

I think Excorcist would be really cool then just Reaper

[gaunt star]

Yaas bring back my all time fav psyco torturer

[shut burrow]

LOOKS

[open verge]

Excorsist was so fucking broken

UNDO TROIS plus Auto undo meant your tank could never die

[twilit peak]

Speaking of psycho torturer

[deep roost]

Same, Ran'jits character could have been far better written, instead of being used as simply a shoe in for introducing a conflict. As strong as he is and has raised and fostered many minfilia, it just doesnt jive well as an "opposite force" for Thancred in the subplot. I could get rid of Ranjit all together and nothing would have changed for me.

[twilit peak]

Well then it would be better right? Because it's one of the things you have a problem with

[uneven cape]

Honestly I think Zenos was a lot better than Ran'jit at being a menacing force with Ran'jit just kinda there to fulfill a purpose

Plus when Ran'jit died he just kinda died and we just went on to vauthry

[twilit peak]

I kinda forgot he existed until the kost recent eden raids

[oak pike]

Ran’jitt got jobbed so hard I wish he got more time tbh

[uneven cape]

Even though the scythe class we might be getting (possibly) could be something like Ran'jit I still expect it to be something like a Reaper

Make it dot focused

[kind lark]

Knowing how much of a weeb zenos is, he'll probably get the dragon too

[gentle temple]

I was expecting at least a short story for Ran'jit

[fleet geyser]

i really didn't like zenos initially either, but it wasn't nearly as bad as my reaction to ranjit

tbh when we first met zenos i assumed his katana was a primal or something and that was the reason why he was so damn op

for me ranjit was probably the worst part of shb, which was also pretty much the only big complaint i had about shb

smaller complaints were primarily during the mining segment

and also with how they handled vauthry

eden 11 kinda improved my opinion of ranjit though because it made me look at him a bit differently

[pine plinth]

I actually liked all those things

😦

But maybe im just easy going and like whatever gets tossed at me

[viscid monolith]

I like that Ranjit isn't as overpowered as Zenos initially

[languid breach]

I wasn't a fan of Ran'jit either tbh. His motives for being loyal to Vauthry weren't very clear, as wasn't his age. Also I don't like being beaten in general, but Zenos was awesome enough for me to overlook it.

[teal geyser]

Ehhh

I guess because he got heavy'd that proves enough but in both instances they stomp us

[shut burrow]

Ran'jit could've been treated better

Maybe make it so we had like an echo flashback to why he is why he is

[teal geyser]

But yeah Ranjit is fine, the only issue is that I feel like there was meant to be more development for the Eulmore cast when we go back there that got cut and just became a solo instance or something

And Ranjit generally quickly became that cartoon villain who just shows up every time and it was generally overused

[pulsar current]

yeah, watching ranjitt as minfilla's die again and again would have made more sympathetic to him

[heady shadow]

its a shame

because i wonder if one of the minfilia's was actually his daughter

since it seems whoever is one is picked randomly

[pulsar current]

that would have been a great twist

[copper marten]

Does anyone have screenshots of the new job gear concept art they showed during the announcement?

[viscid monolith]

Ranjit had to actually try when he fought us unlike Zenos

[gloomy shale]

what percentage chance is new job maiming gear

[viscid monolith]

Like 100

[wet crown]

It's been confirmed by Yoshi-P

[teal geyser]

To be melee Ehva

That's not the same thing

[wet crown]

let me pull up the quote...

[teal geyser]

Oh huh he actually answered that?

Well anyway quote or no it was kinda likely to be maiming anyway

[wet crown]

"Since DRG is currently at a special position, if we're only talking about slots it was natural we add it there. Which is why we decided on having melee DPS as our second new job."

if we're only talking about slots it was natural we add it there

we add it there

[gloomy shale]

I would say confirmed from that

[wet crown]

[ember forum]

What do u think whm next 2 abilities ir abilty will be

Healing or dmg

[dim sigil]

Bringing back aero 3

[wet crown]

Stone V is a possibility

Cure IV as an upgrade to Cure III

[maiden lodge]

My prediction is some non-dot addition to the dps kit, and some form of healing utility.

And Glare/Dia II

[rain onyx]

I’d love an upgrade to cure 3 that gives it a bigger radius

[gaunt star]

This

[regal lantern]

I wonder how the new maiming job will be different from DRG

We have MNK who gives utility and striking type
We have SAM who is similar with more solo dmg and no utility

We know DRG has a lot of utility, so will new maiming job have no utility?

I’ll be honest tho, I wanted a new melee dps out of sheer and pure greed for my love for melee dps jobs. But with 4 in it already, I never expected we’d get one this expansion

I for sure thought we’d get a healer and a caster

[dim sigil]

I heard an idea to make it a job about stages like smn rather then using resources like keni or w.e

[gloomy shale]

hope not, not a fan of rotating through phases

[regal lantern]

Like MNK?

I’d prefer a job that is actually more free form

[gloomy shale]

yeah SMN is just too restricted

[regal lantern]

Like where you can try different types of combos. When I first played MNK I thought the job would have 3 different types of monks or at least 2.
The super fast ones and the pure damage ones.
I thought either way the two would be equal in overall dps but in reality, fist of wind was useless. This is me during 4.2-4.3

[gloomy shale]

hopefully they trim all the minor useless buffs

[regal lantern]

I hate how they’re teasing us for such a long time for this

[gloomy shale]

happens every expansion cycle

[maiden lodge]

You need procs for that. Without procs, your job has a mathematically best order of things it can do from the pull to the kill, and someone will solve for it.

[regal lantern]

Not unless you strictly make different combos with same damage outputs

[rain onyx]

People will probably complain about illusion of choice or say it’s wasted button space

[maiden lodge]

I mean if it's different comboes with the same effect it is wasted button space.

And if it's different effects, there's a mathematically best course of action: See Samurai.

[regal lantern]

People complains for everything. People are complaining for not getting Chemist lol

[gloomy shale]

I wanted chemist but I aint complaining new jobs look interesting

[rain onyx]

I will say I kinda miss not getting chemist as a healer but Sage looks 20x cooler

Fucking healing with LASERS

[gloomy shale]

heck yeah

[maiden lodge]

Sage is WAY cooler than any idea I had

[regal lantern]

Tbh I always knew chemist wouldn’t work in ffxiv unless they made a second MCH type box that converts aether into potions actively

But even then it’d be too complicated for a healer role

Imagine how often people would mess up heals

Instead of making a quick all party heal after a massive AOE, healer may end up making a single target regen potion

[gloomy shale]

The way I had Chemist designed in my head was a main mechanic called "mix" and you would either make a dps or healing potion

[regal lantern]

And just for the sake of it, if new melee really is a combo of a grim reaper+necromancer+heavy hitting maiming job, where can we expect it to be from? My friend thinks it’ll root in Thavnair and I agree along with Belahdia

[rain onyx]

“Help I accidentally mixed a super party buff that is also the equivalent of a healer LB3”

“Damn, my last mix just made everyone do 99k damage at minimum with every attack”

“My maps touched each other and caused a massive explosion”

[gloomy shale]

haha

Is Thavnair the new hub?

[heady shadow]

Raz ad han probably yeah

Thavniar as a whole we go everywhere

[gloomy shale]

well I guess it will be the starting city and then later on there will be a Eulmore type spot?

[heady shadow]

Thavnair is a island

[serene crest]

Announcement thing said Radz-at-Han was the smaller city, Eulmore sized, while the bigger Crystarium style city is mad spoilers.

[regal lantern]

If Thavnair really is based off of South East Asia then Radz-at-Han is probably inspired from the word Razdhani which means capital in Hindi/Bangla. Since the word Radz-at-Han is noticeably pronounced as Razatdhan/Razadhan from the announcement.

[wary perch]

Come to think of it, xiv sage is similar to traditional chemist.
They both heal you with guns

[wet crown]

most "recent" iteration of salve-maker I can think of comes from Bravely Default

[earnest sedge]

Pew pew!

[heady shadow]

https://www.pcgamer.com/final-fantasy-14-director-says-endwalkers-climax-is-what-you-dont-get-from-other-mmos/?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialflow

[languid breach]

also I just read through the "xiv story TLDR" document for unrelated reasons and apparently the Sirensong Sea was an abandoned Thavnairian prison. So we may expect somewhat similar style in architecture and such

[polar crater]

Mix it with a traditional thief/poacher. Your rotation steals/poaches ingredients which fuel your oGCD mixes. Obviously DPS styled after FFX's Rikku.

[languid breach]

I just think sage is so incredibly specific. Like astrology is "you use the stars to heal" and scholar is "you use your fairy and tactics to heal" and sage is like... "you use your small needle-like floating guns made of aether to heal"

[dim sigil]

Itll work better i think once we actuslly know what place sage has in the world

[gaunt star]

sage is just The Lazer Collection XIV

cvhange my mind

which is brought to you in part by

THE GENIE WITH A DIRTY MIND

[wet crown]

that interview has nothing new

[maiden lodge]

Yeah it reads more like 'generic questions by someone who covers games but not FFXIV in particular' rather than 'FFXIV fan asking questions.' Which is fine.

Necessary, even.

[heady shadow]

I only put it there

because the other day it seemed apparently people didnt understand the concept that the 6.0 ends at 6.0.

not 6.3

and the 6.1 is the new arc starting

[gaunt star]

That's a lot of information to take in

[heady shadow]

Kirile is the sage quest giver

[wary perch]

https://twitter.com/PlayStation/status/1362754231544016896?s=09

PlayStation (@PlayStation)

Final Fantasy XIV: Endwalker concludes a ten-year-long story arc. Director Naoki Yoshida discusses envisioning the end of the epic tale in a new Q&A: https://t.co/wYSQFsXcMb

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[heady shadow]

main expac msq is only in the x.0

the .x is usually just tie ups and setting up the next one

[wary perch]

I hope the story is not rushed

[heady shadow]

i dont think it will be

[wary perch]

Then again x.1 and x.2 usually had lots of filler too

[heady shadow]

honestly if i were a betting man, i would say the Fall 2021 date is more a hint that 6.0 will be longer then 5.0 or say 4.0

I think it'll be fine

if not

then you all can Hang me

[craggy pawn]

I hope its longer then shb

But with lotsa plot

[wet crown]

X.1 to X.3 are still part of the expansion but tie up stuff
X.4 and X.5 are the prologue to the new expansion

Just...6.1 is gonna change that this time

[maiden lodge]

They said it'll be about the same length.

[maiden lodge]

I would say the Fall 2021 date is a hint that this game exists during Covid.

Cause you know, we'd predicted that since we found out about the Covid delays.

[forest magnet]

It's not a hint that it's longer

that makes no sense

like

MSQ wise?

it'd be about the same length more or less

and SHB is already pretty long as it is

[maiden lodge]

It'll be as dense as ShB's story.

[gaunt star]

[heady shadow]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gaunt star]

you disgust me

[heady shadow]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gaunt star]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wet crown]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gaunt star]

[heady shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/idk-i-dont-know-sebastian-stan-lol-wtf-gif-5364867

[pastel coyote]

Who say that ?

[wet crown]

Why would anyone pay attention to the story in the super heavy story-focused RPG

[heady shadow]

apparently only idiots like us

[gaunt star]

a lalafell

after he got shit on by players

he edited it and said he meant it for streamers

[pastel coyote]

[kind lark]

Need to keep a eye on Lalas

[gaunt star]

apparently the 1 day FFXIV has too many views should mean to ignore the vast majority of the player base for ultimate raiders

thats definitely how u run a game

[pastel coyote]

I mean it's obvious people will have the gear for ultimate during the first week /s

[gaunt star]

no i mean

based on his thoughtless statement

ffxiv gets most its views when ultimates come out

which from my own look only lasts 1 day or so

ffxiv can survive without ultimates at this point

[pulsar current]

his goal is viewers, if it works for him he should work at blizzard.

they hire people who have no idea how to run a game all the time!

[gaunt star]

blizzard isnt even a competitor anymore

[pastel coyote]

Well i don't like to put it like this but thoth showing their glam in limsa "help" more ff than the ultimate raider

[gaunt star]

i mean from my experience ultimate raiders are mostly afk while the casuals do content

woohoo u got ur ugly ultimate weapon

why do i care? xd

[unique verge]

This is some real brainlet logic, lmao

Of course Ultimate gets more viewers, because not everyone can do Ultimate, but everyone can do MSQ

[gaunt star]

trying to save it by using streamers as an excuse ruined me xdd

personally i dont consider ultimates worth the reward

ill definitely watch it

since im gonna see rage and disbands tho

ahh such joy

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/742643125981413447/807677188483842068/fandanny_or_me.gif

also the ultimate titles are a meme much like the mentors

[heady shadow]

nah hes prob just a hack you can even finish Coil Savage

*who cant

[gaunt star]

the lala does Ulti/tea

i checked his logs

but i found his take..off

[unique verge]

Ult titles are a meme because of sellers/buyers

[heady shadow]

then his view of the games community is narrow

[gaunt star]

was doing edens promise normal and 2 legends decided to die like first timers

[pastel coyote]

I have more respect for those with the necromancer title

[unique verge]

been working on getting that one myself, god its brutal

[pastel coyote]

It's ok in some month you will be able to play as a necromancer

[unique verge]

I feel like, if enough research into the data was done, we could probably prove that there are more people who have bought Ultimate clears than people who have legitimately cleared it.

[gaunt star]

they mentioned necromancer too much for it to be necro xd

[gaunt star]

thats true

[heady shadow]

thats how they get you

[gaunt star]

i know ERPers who make 20 mil gil or so per day

[heady shadow]

uno revers

[pastel coyote]

let me bait balmerick

[gaunt star]

wouldnt be surprised if raiders sell ulti runs

for extra gil or $

[unique verge]

You cant bait me with necromancer

its too small brain

[heady shadow]

Bots do it all the time

then steal your account

[unique verge]

I can only be baited by "HEY HAVE YOU SEEN THE SCYTHE BY ZENOS" or similar

lmao

[heady shadow]

and use it for rmt

[gaunt star]

i shall bait u with: its an original class

[heady shadow]

Balmerik

[pastel coyote]

I will repeat it for the next trailer don't worry

[gaunt star]

Zenos joins the Scions in 6.1

[unique verge]

tbh next trailer probably will end all speculation so no bait to be had

[gaunt star]

exactly

[heady shadow]

well yes but no

[gaunt star]

if the fanfestival starts with the trailer

[unique verge]

All speculation over gameplay/mechanic things

[gaunt star]

ull probably see the new melee

[heady shadow]

because people overanalyze this shit no matter what it is

[unique verge]

It'll just be story speculation left at that point

[heady shadow]

like

[gaunt star]

so alphinaud wasnt a sage?

[unique verge]

and story speculation, idk, its pretty obvious what the dumbshit ideas are vs. the valid ones, and people dont tend to dogpile on teh dumb ones

[pastel coyote]

Hmmm the next trailer will be the final trailer ? I think ShB get 3 + the launch trailer

[heady shadow]

OMJG ITS A BIRD WE ARE GONNA GET A X JOB

OH NO ITS A XMEN SHIRT WE GONNA BE A SHAPESHIFTER

that kind of bs

[deft burrow]

we'll get the job actions trailer in May, right?

[gaunt star]

probably not

[deft burrow]

It'll be after?

[heady shadow]

closer to 6.0 i would imagine

[deft burrow]

mhm

[gaunt star]

id say closer to 6.0

[unique verge]

Job actions are usually pretty close to release

[gaunt star]

fkin scree

[deft burrow]

I c

[heady shadow]

xD

[unique verge]

because job actions trailer effectively "locks them in" on any changes

[gaunt star]

also they probably wont get content creators to play the classes

[heady shadow]

good

I mean uh

[gaunt star]

it locks them in on visuals

[heady shadow]

how terrible

[gaunt star]

not potency

[unique verge]

Yeah balance can be adjusted but

its more like

they cant do a job actions trailer

a

[gaunt star]

yeah

[deft burrow]

structure can't be redone

or the animations

stuff like that is set

[unique verge]

*and then after be like "this ability just doesnt work"

[deft burrow]

for the most part

[gaunt star]

only in extreme cases

[oak pike]

Lol imagine they haven’t started on the melee dps job yet lol

[deft burrow]

Nah its probably already done

[gaunt star]

like they changed gunbreakers sound effects from good to worse

[deft burrow]

I'm pretty sure all the job change designs are done and the animations as well

[forest magnet]

that was the dumbest shit ever

[deft burrow]

Just the balancing is left

[heady shadow]

jobs are more importtant than races

sorry

[unique verge]

and really, they are locked in to more than just animations

[pastel coyote]

[forest magnet]

they also fixed the 'bug' for ARR dungeons that stopped the intro dungeon music from looping

like

i'm so sick of listening to the same fucking battle music for virtually all ARR dungeons

just give us that at least

[deft burrow]

In fact I'm pretty sure the expansion is like 90% done, they're probably just working on the raid tier still

[unique verge]

Like, because the job gauge is visible, they're pretty much locked in on certain effects as well

[gaunt star]

thats why i mute it and get a playlist

i want a 'mute boss music' so i can enjoy twinning

[deft burrow]

Considering all the planning and story was already done long time ago

Its just putting it all together/actually making it

Which tbh is the easy part

[unique verge]

ehhhhhhh

You say this

[dim sigil]

God that was actually good i hate they "fixed it"

[unique verge]

but that's what sunk 1.0

[gaunt star]

story is done 2 years in advance

[wary perch]

The story quest line dialogue, npc placement and cinematic cutscene take times lol

[wet crown]

ever heard of QA?

[wary perch]

And savage raid usually is a month after release

[deft burrow]

Well they've been using the last 2 years to develop the expansion while working on the patch quests

The planning was already done for it

[oak pike]

It’s just qa phase now

[wet crown]

Yoshi-P said he played 4 times through ShB alone
imagine what all the QA people are going through

[deft burrow]

tbh

[gaunt star]

same!

[wary perch]

The planning is done, but the pacing, quest dialogue, and the detail storytelling take times lol

[gaunt star]

they should hire me for story now

[deft burrow]

They are probably just getting into bug fixing and tweaking

right now

[gaunt star]

naah

[deft burrow]

Finishing touches section in about a month or 2

[wary perch]

Also creating dungeon and side quests as well

[deft burrow]

mhm

[gaunt star]

dungeons are mostly tied to story so they are probably done almost simultaneously[?]

once they decide where we go n stuff

[deft burrow]

Which is done in early planning

[gaunt star]

yap

[wary perch]

Dungeon creation for its arts, Nov placement, design etc take times while the team also working on shb patches

[wet crown]

creating and implementing assets, yes

[gaunt star]

these tend to be done in advance and simply add the finishing touches b4 release

[deft burrow]

Yeah

The core assets are finished first

Story, dungeons

Trials

Music

[gaunt star]

but if u exclude covid n all they arent too concerned with schelude

[deft burrow]

Well it was pushed back into Fall

[gaunt star]

people dont realise how bad it is to slow down development for 3 months

[wary perch]

The whole development cycle got pushed by 2 months

[gaunt star]

during an expansion development and 5.x patches

2 and a half

still a lot regardless

[wary perch]

Yea

[gaunt star]

but ultimate raid > mental and physical health of devs according to raiders

[oak pike]

Even if ultimate got released it will be hell since the stat squish is incoming

[pulsar current]

Raiders know what those mean?

[heady shadow]

either way

its prob a good thing that when i get through 6.0 i'll be quitting ffxiv.
yeeeeeeeeeee

[gaunt star]

why tho

[deft burrow]

why tho

[wet crown]

why tho

[pulsar current]

Why tho

[pastel coyote]

why tho

[oak pike]

Why tho

[wet crown]

white dough

[heady shadow]

well, originally it was because of work, but im out of that now, and then no motivation etc.
stress etc.

but come at some point i have to give it up since i just dont have the drive

[oak pike]

Y do

[deft burrow]

Maybe 6.0 gives you that drive

who knows

[oak pike]

Oop sorry

[heady shadow]

I was going to quit when 5.55 was out but decided to go for 6.0 since its thre end of the arc

plus i know a lot of my take shere are headscratching

[pulsar current]

Understandable. I mean you can come back for msq but life’s a bitch

[oak pike]

Here’s a hug mate

[heady shadow]

it really does depend.
if i did come back it wouldnt be till 8.0

the only thing I didnt decide yet was if i was gonna leave this discord and the other xiv ones 9im in

[pastel coyote]

Well you know what yoshi-p say "if you don't want to play don't sub, come back when you feel it"

[gaunt star]

[oak pike]

Ye come back when you feel like it game ain’t going anywhere

[heady shadow]

for now xD

[pastel coyote]

well actually he's going to the moon

[heady shadow]

we need to go into the Lifestream next

phew that would be fun

seeing dead people

[pastel coyote]

that's what pandemonium will be

[heady shadow]

no no

like

uh

Fusion reborn dbz

[pastel coyote]

and we will say to lahabread "IT WAS ME WHO STOLE IFRIT THAT DAY"

[heady shadow]

hell/underworld/lifestream is being taken over by a unknown force and we have to beat it up

because dead people are coming back

zombie expansion

[pastel coyote]

and who's sylvanas in that ?

[heady shadow]

pissed of spirit from Uldahs sister city

[pastel coyote]

sand zombie

haaaa sweet memory from pallawa joko

10 virtual buck to the one who get the ref

[kind lark]

Praise Pallawa Joko

[balmy mesa]

would be a nice way to tie in with Hildibrand lol

[half phoenix]

Guys, Hildibrand is gone. He’s going to FF16

[woven escarp]

😔

I don't necessarily miss hildebrand, you can tell that yoshi-p didn't want to spend any time on him after ARR

[heady shadow]

YEAH

yoshi p should spend more time giving us animal crossing with instanced housing

[maiden lodge]

YP confirmed Hildy in 6.x

He said they wanted to take a year or two to recharge and now they have a good idea what they want to do with him.

[woven escarp]

that's because it's been a while

yeah

he was complaining about hildebrand in heavensward and didn't want to do it in stormblood at all

[placid sail]

while it would have been fun to bring Hildy's particular brand of chaos to the First, I am fine with the tiny reference he got in the dungeon

he's a true Gentleman of Light now

and who knows, maybe they'll do something with both the First and the new EW areas in 6.X

Gilgamesh might be able to travel to the First

[heady shadow]

nah

they clearly went to play with the Lunarians

Greg left hildy there

[placid sail]

oh lord

that is exactly how the new quest chain is going to start

with Hildy's legs sticking out of the lunar surface

[heady shadow]

if it does. then lets fucking go

[placid sail]

and probably some kind of misunderstanding where Hildy does not realize he is on the Moon

[balmy mesa]

and then Nashu shows up, inexplicably

[wary perch]

Can we see hydaelyn on the moon?

Hope we get to see the whole continent landscape while on the moon

[heady shadow]

i would think seeing the planet from the moon will be like seeing our planet from the moon

like this

[woven escarp]

faked, clearly

nobody has ever been to the moon

[heady shadow]

oh yeah, the marc thing that happened too was filmed around petra.

*mars

T^T

why do you have to be right

[maiden lodge]

oh hai marc

[balmy mesa]

It feels like the moon will be closer to the planet than before

it might just be illusion though.

[heady shadow]

the only thing I could think of

is how Negima did it

with the Magic world

[unborn lantern]

want this idle now

today

enix

idk why they left that one out

seemingly they added 2 npc idles already

[balmy mesa]

they'll add more idle poses

last patch had some new idle animations

[unborn lantern]

well i want a proper walk animation for lala

[balmy mesa]

that's what you get for fantasia-ing as a potato

[unborn lantern]

i've always been.. a lala

from start to end

[next quarry]

im sorry

[oak pike]

Don’t like the waddle? lol

[floral aurora]

Is it May yet?

[deft burrow]

Unfortunately not

[floral aurora]

The long waiting game

[wary perch]

8weeks to 5.5

[gaunt star]

8weeks to the next content drought

1 dungeon that ain’t nothing special, another nier raid with no story, and more of the crazy murder psyco diamond weapon

[deft burrow]

yep

As soon as Bozja came out and was a disappointment

We've been in a content drought

lol

[heady shadow]

wheeeeeee

then its....

four months... depending on when ew launches

[wary perch]

Skirmish sucks in bozja

And screw the rng drop for rw

[keen sentinel]

EW is probably dropping by, what, October?

[gaunt star]

They want us to play NieR and bravely default till then

[keen sentinel]

Please look forward to it

[deft burrow]

Please look forward to it

[gaunt star]

Okay so question

[keen sentinel]

Answer

[woven escarp]

can they just, like, increase dungeon variety somehow? 😔

[gaunt star]

If you're a fresh player to XIV, what would be the play order of what Square Enix titles that patch references would be?

Like what you guys are just now mentioning

NieR and Bravely Default lol

[woven escarp]

oh nah, the 5.0 alliance raid is just a straight nier fanservice

[teal geyser]

?

[woven escarp]

there's no "references" to be had here

if you liked nier you'll like the alliance raid

[gaunt star]

Eh, I guess reference was the wrong word

[woven escarp]

if you didn't care about 2b's ass then the nier raid does nothing for you

[gaunt star]

Like, to really appreciate the content you're about to play what should you play first sort of question

Like IV for 6.0

[woven escarp]

nah, nothing like that with nier or bravely

people are just memeing because bravely is SE's favorite property right now

[gaunt star]

Fair lol

[teal geyser]

To be fair playing those FF games AFTER the referenced content is also equally acceptable

[gaunt star]

Was wondering if you could make a thread like that

[gaunt star]

Like the entirety of the Omega raid being a V and VI callout