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#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
somber storm
That ain't Caliope
shut burrow
I want a scythe job so badly
autumn heron
strange summit
somber storm
SMH just buy scythe on mogstation for WAR, DRK and BLM
distant sonnet
Hmm. Wonder what the CE statue will be this time along.
I'm surprised they didn't have that up for preorder.
glossy vale
SMH just buy scythe on mogstation for WAR, DRK and BLM
Sounds like the start of an edgy cosplay
tulip geyser
So...has the PC actually told the Scions who they are?
I got the impression that we gave Urianger a name and position, but didn't say that it was us.
No one knew about the crystals either.
I feel like our character is avoiding this conversation.
balmy mesa
gritty violet
spiral mica
I'm surprised they didn't have that up for preorder.
the CE usually go up for pre-order after the last fan fest, with the launch date announcement
distant sonnet
Yeah, but with the digital fan fest being later.. But then I suppose the expac is later too
gaunt star
That would be the perfect statue especially if this is the end of the Z&H story
distant sonnet
Zodilyn statue for CE, Hades statue for sale later. Gibplz.
No Eden's Promise. Do not want.
blissful snow
I also would like to purge the Kingdom hearts raid featuring FF8 from my mind.
blissful snow
I didn't like this raid teir at all
Very sleepy.
I'd be okay with them doing something elsel ike Feo Ul
distant sonnet
I'd agree
Coolest one was Dad Prime
Oooh, yeah. Titania of either season would be fine.
Only way Id go in for an Edens promise one would be if it also had the six elemental primals. Like the mirrors in the fight
Kinda like this old Valkyrie Profile one
blissful snow
Promise was almost a good raid teir
then 12 happened
and I was like "Yep. It's bad 😄 "
twilit peak
Sorry but the other work but this guys is awesome he's a great artist https://jaleupen.artstation.com/
twilit peak
The guy who did that scythe art
strange summit
Sorry but the other work but this guys is awesome he's a great artist https://ja...
Oh yes thank you for crediting him !
twilit peak
Np
spiral mica
I liked the Shadowkeeper fight
woven escarp
thankfully all the "you don't pay my sub" people have fucked off into the sun
haven't seen one of those in a long time
worn bloom
I have never seen anyone unironically say that word.
distant sonnet
I've offered to paypal them 15 bucks if they'd do their damn job.
They didn't take it well
spiral mica
Smn getting smn rework
who said SMN is getting a rework?
wet crown
puhlease
flint iron
Some mentor from balance discord
shut burrow
Mmmm Carpol tunnel
flint iron
They said smn and brd will got rework
wet crown
they just need to make egis purely cosmetic for once
woven escarp
ramuh egi 
wet crown
maybe even removed them as pets all together and make them attack like Yuna does in Dissidia
spiral mica
this person is talking out of their ass, no one evr said that
woven escarp
they even joke about it in the smn quests
"oh that would take too much aether to manifest"
wet crown
There is an egi limit per person
spiral mica
granted, they have been "reworking" summoner pretty much constantly
woven escarp
honestly, 5.0 is the best version of smn
wet crown
everything beyond can only be invoked by trance...or temporarily
5.0 was absolute shit
flint iron
I hope more pet mechanic and less ruin spam
woven escarp
I wonder what horrible things they've designed into 6.0 smn since it was actually good in 5.0
flint iron
wet crown
5.1 fixed a lot of the garbage 5.0 had
spiral mica
so its likely to have some kind of update in 6.0, but i wouldnt expect a full rework at all
woven escarp
like how 4.0 was like "fuck you drg" after it was so good in 3.0
wet crown
I know how they can fix BRD in 2 simple steps to make in more enjoyable overall
flint iron
I know how they can fix BRD in 2 simple steps to make in more enjoyable overall
That sound like something an ad on yt say
woven escarp
get rid of random procs and make pitch perfect a resource management feature
wet crown
- Reduce all their cooldowns for skills and songs to 60 secs
- Give their songs a clear identity so you only need to swap between 2 at a time
flint iron
Or make it proc easier like dnc
wet crown
Ballad for AOE, Minuet for ST and Wanderer's for overall DPS
I guess charged action mastery for Bloodletter and RoD would also go a long way
worn bloom
Frankly it's not the DPS jobs that I worry about when it comes to reworks.
distant sonnet
Healers have already been reworked. Pray we do not rework them further.
barren karma
I'm so hype for Sage!
worn bloom
It certainly looks cool
barren karma
I don't usually heal but....I will start learning more to play sage
Also happy Wednesday!
lament breach
barren karma
I bet the Moon is made of cheese and Zodiark has to eat his way out.....that's why he's been in there for so long
and the end of 6.0 is us fighting a very angry and very constipated Zodiark o.o
severe brook
he's lactose intolerant but still craves cheese almost as much as he does the souls of the innocent
it's a very ironic prison that hydaelyn's trapped him in
floral aurora
If fan fest is digital, does that mean media tour will allow more players to try out the new jobs before 6.0?
Would love a special ingame event in the weekend to try out the new jobs
barren karma
ohhh that would be soo cool!
floral aurora
I really hope they consider doing that
primal sundial
would be cool but I think updating the game just to try them it's a bit much
floral aurora
Like maybe the jobs will be limited to certain content
Like maybe 1 trial/dungeon early Expert Dungeon and Hades
Since i think Media Tour jobs are max level usually (i think)
rain onyx
The SB/SHB media tours were just a random zone at level cap and the x3 dungeon
maiden lodge
There would be issues of distro theyd consier before doing a public test.
And the gain is minimal on their end.
floral aurora
I'm sure they will tell players on a live letter/lodestone that the job isn't near finalized
maiden lodge
which negates the value of testing
floral aurora
Players will just get the basic idea of the job
maiden lodge
Still not useful to SE.
viscid monolith
It's true. It would only be useful to the players.
maiden lodge
It's true. It would only be useful to the players.
Right, but that might not be good enough to justify doing it. I'm not saying they won't, but I think the players drastically overestimate the value of pre-release player testing on things players care about.
viscid monolith
I think people are use to the traditional "who's job will be totally broken" roulette. We do it every expansion.
maiden lodge
I think people are use to the traditional "who's job will be totally broken" rou...
Yep.
floral aurora
Besides I'm only saying this because there probably won't be Media Tour for people to actually go to
Like how they are handling Fanfest
maiden lodge
Thing is, the tradition for the media tours isn't to bring in experts on the job to break it down--it's to bring in influencers and general video gaming media.
Sure, some influencers are good top end players, buuuuuut....
floral aurora
Streamers/Youtubers: Yeah we played all the jobs, saw the new content, and even saw all the trailers including the job action one xD
FFXIV Fans: ...I want to see it and play it :(
We can't have that again lol
But seriously I would love a taste of experiencing the new jobs
maiden lodge
The other thing is... where would they run this?
spiral mica
i cant imagine they would ever update the live version of the game with a beta build like that
maiden lodge
They'd need a specific dedicated server to what is essentially a game demo
spiral mica
not a chance of it happening imo
floral aurora
Never say never xD
maiden lodge
They run the media tour on their test servers, but they're not going to give access to EVERYONE to their actual test servers
Nor will they keep their test servers on the media test when they need them to do legitimate work
heady shadow
thingking se would give us plebs a opportunity to test out a new job lul
better chances getting a way to play the lvl 83 trial demo like with titania
maiden lodge
Even that requires a dedicated ptr.
viscid monolith
Unfortunately Square Enix does not have the same money Blizzard does
Or they do but they're far cheaper
gaunt star
Don’t worry the second they screw up and leave the extra files in game the dataminers will figure out a way to unlock it for regular use
deep roost
SquareEnix the publisher has a ton more money than Blizzard Activision. If we talk about just budget allocated to specific games, it may be equal or smaller than blizzards funding pool
maiden lodge
It's not a matter of money.
It's a matter of infrastructure that does not exist and is not worth setting up
The amount of income a corporation makes doesn't make 'set up a temporary server that only exists for a weekend of play specifically so that players can feel good/bad about the upcoming expansion' a good idea, and any corporation would say 'naw, find another way.'
gaunt star
Just make it an off server demo
That seems to be the newest thing they’re doing for these new releases anyway
maiden lodge
Off server demo
demo for FF14 and dungeon play
pick one.
deep roost
agree, in the past during expos and events, XIV ran off the current production servers which were specifically carved out for low I/O .. it was a incredibly cheap option since they knew which devices were interfacing with those instances
gaunt star
Why would I want to play a dungeon with new players??
Just do an off server demo with trusts
maiden lodge
Just do an off server demo with trusts
just run a private server
gaunt star
Pick an ardbert in any of the available jobs and then an auto filled trust party
maiden lodge
That's... literally not ever going to happen
deep roost
having and online demo would be insanely more difficult considering ever increasing latency the further your geolocation
gaunt star
It could if we didn’t have a square enix avengers level of waste every few years
maiden lodge
It could if we didn’t have a square enix avengers level of waste every few years
'Just make a completely new network engine for a weekend'
What benefit is there to them to do this?
gaunt star
I get to talk about it in the internet
maiden lodge
Let me rephrase the question
Actually no, I got the question right.
What benefit is there to them to do this?
SE, not Sally's Salon
gaunt star
Hype
gaunt star
Demo > shadowbringers Spider-Man bus collab
deep roost
YoshiP don't like unessesary hype he didnt cause
gaunt star
I wonder what ever happened to that bus
maiden lodge
FF14 is the second biggest sub-based MMO in the world, and still growing, he has all the hype he could ask for.
He can pay an advertising/marketing firm to generate hype and that doesn't involve sucking up valuable programming resources that should be dedicated to checks his notes making the shit they're building the hype for.
gaunt star
True I forget the intensive code being poured into the umbrellas and teddy bear coming soon
maiden lodge
True I forget the intensive code being poured into the umbrellas and teddy bear ...
Yes, because network programmers aren't required for checks his notes
gaunt star
No!!! My market monopoly is about to collapse again!!
As soon as people go to Aether and check Faeries MB prices they'll leave
maiden lodge
As soon as people go to Aether and check Faeries MB prices they'll leave
We used to be the good ones!
We used to have cheap prices!
gaunt star
I remember when Faerie was the go to world on Aether if you wanted something cheap ;w;
Now it's like....70K for a basic mat when on other world it's like 10K
Ishgardian Tea Leaves was the worst offender
What happened to us, what happened to Faerie 
I had to teach the freeloaders a lesson! No more cheap mats
gaunt star
I had to teach the freeloaders a lesson! No more cheap mats
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Well not just for mats, but everything. Faerie is the worst
dawn canyon
not sure if its a faerie thing either, but whenever i try to sell food, people undercut by like, 1000 gil per item and ruins any chance of making good gil. its ridiculous honestly
gaunt star
Yeah, on Faerie you either have people over pricing things, or people undercutting things to oblivion
maiden lodge
not sure if its a faerie thing either, but whenever i try to sell food, people u...
That's not a Faerie thing. Someone does that on Faerie and everyone bitches about it, despite that being a normal thing in any market that works.
Undercutting is good for the market.
Bad for sellers, but good for the market
dawn canyon
no, like, they're selling it cheaper than the materials it takes to make it
gaunt star
Like, Diadem mats crashed hard on Faerie because people were over pricing them and then undercutting eachother like crazy just to make gil
But then you have things like Ishgardian Tea Leaves which are ridiculously high
maiden lodge
Like, Diadem mats crashed hard on Faerie because people were over pricing them a...
So the materials were overpriced and then the market corrected exactly as it should
maiden lodge
no, like, they're selling it cheaper than the materials it takes to make it
Then you buy them and repost them for proper value and punish the people doing it and make money for yourself.
gaunt star
Made 16 mill in a day because of it
maiden lodge
'People are making mistakes in pvp' isn't a thing worth bitching about, but Faerie loves its cartels
gaunt star
Because people were all selling things for like 400K a pop
Faerie is....something else
Never go to faerie if you want to buy something
maiden lodge
Never go to faerie if you want to buy something
Sounds to me if the undercutting is that bad it's exactly the place to buy some things
gaunt star
Yeah, depends on what you're after
Diadem mats? Then go to Faerie, primal weapons? Go to another world
dawn canyon
honestly, im not gonna even try to argue lmao. i dont have the energy to do this
gaunt star
Back when they added the world visit I remember being mindblown by the prices of other worlds
Nidhogg weps on Faerie were 2 million, but on Ada and Jen they were 400k 
maiden lodge
honestly, im not gonna even try to argue lmao. i dont have the energy to do this
Naw, it really isn't hard. There's three states: Prices are too low, too high, or just right. If they're too low, buy and repost at 'just right.' If they're too high, undercut. If they're just right, sell at that price.
If your item doesn't sell you got it wrong.
Everything else is just getting tilted from a bad beat.
maiden lodge
Then you're making good gil and that means no one has ruined your chance to make good gil.
woven escarp
when the problem is that they're too poor and irish to do something about it
buy the undercut shit and list it at the price you want
maiden lodge
Which is like... it's like going into pvp and complaining that you might get killed.
woven escarp
it's cheaper than your expected profit per unit so you're still making money
dawn canyon
i just like aiming higher is all
maiden lodge
i just like aiming higher is all
Right, and that's just greed. The market doesn't care about your greed. PVP players would like to have a 15-0-0 KDA but that don't mean it'll happen regularly without them being exceedingly good.
dawn canyon
what a conversation killer. oh well
woven escarp
gaunt star
unborn lantern
just noticed in Amaurot that that's Hydaelyn defeating Zodiark from afar
i'm so slow
exotic copper
next job is new gear type called "goring" and using no previosly used gear typ
and it dual wields nunchucks
floral aurora
Honestly I think I will be less excited for future jobs after Reaper(whatever its called)
If they perfect all new and current jobs that is
severe brook
just noticed in Amaurot that that's Hydaelyn defeating Zodiark from afar
you're not slow; it can't be Hydaelyn defeating Zodiark because the Final Days were over by the time Hydaelyn was summoned
my guess is that mess of energy was sort of a big 'nebula' of creation magics gone awry
turbid aspen
or its live footage of omega vs midgardsormr 
unborn lantern
oh.. i see
exotic copper
you're too late im already a war main
floral aurora
XD
worn bloom
Eh, doesn't matter the hammer is still swung like an axe.
marsh osprey
Hammer job is something that can possibly be a thing
kindred rampart
I don't think we'll fight Zodiark in MSQ but as the final Pandemonium battle. If it takes notes from FF2 it would also give them an excuse to include scions who have died to be involved to really put a nail in it
teal geyser
I...think Zodiark will be fought in MSQ through Zenos
I think leaving such a massive fucking issue to optional content is absurd
somber storm
Looks at all the raids
tardy elm
Zenos is so bored, he probably would prefer to be optional
deep roost
Zodiark controlling Zenos as the new heart, I think is gona parallel similarities with Golbez. Zenos is gona sacrifice himself for WoL at a critical moment.
woven escarp
"good luck, my friend" dies
tardy elm
Moonwalker 💃
deep roost
You know.. Zenos is a guy drunk on power, who died..but didn't die, and had a unknown mother who died of a mysterious illness. You know who also was drunk on power, who died but didnt die, and also had a mysterious mother who was dying from a mysterious illness. Seymour.
I wonder who's mother is showing up in 6.0
strange summit
I'm getting more and more on the idea that Zenos will wield a shield and whatever weapon that goes with a shield since he's so obsessed with us, he could say something along the lines of "Oh, you naughty beast, now you're wielding a shield huh ? I want a shield too now."
Because he's like "that" kid on the playground who wants everything another child have
deep roost
"That's not a knife! This is a knife!"
That's a spoon
Oh I see you played knifey spoony before eh!?
strange summit
Zenos is Australian now
deep roost
I'd die, best patch ever.
dense kite
Yo kids
I think I found something cool
Need someone to confirm they see it too, and that I’m not insane
deep roost
I see it
dense kite
Is the black patterning around the crater not just a horizontally flipped Meteor icon?
deep roost
Around the moon
dense kite
Yeah
That crater looks so much like the meteor logo
Specifically the bit above the AL
strange summit
Hard to tell from my perspective
strange summit
speculation and scythe
strange summit
Please do it
timid quarry
new town in endwalkers
kindred rampart
dense kite
I
Why are you keying the moon
Again
But like
Real talk, everything is cyclical
Nothing new happens in a post-sundering world
I’ll explain when I’m off work, but we’re just repeating the same cycle
kindred rampart
strange summit
As said in "To The Edge"
All things change, drawn to the flame
To rise from the ashes.
To begin
We first must see the end
And it's the main feeling of the next expac
deep roost
5.5 is titled [Death Unto Dawn] / 6.0 thematically is called [A NEW DAWN]. At the end of Endwalker, when we resolve Hydaelyn and Zodiark saga. We may no longer have the blessing, and be our charge as champion will be removed also our status as warrior of light will poof. We will instead take up the nomenclature used in FF5 as the Warrior of Dawn.
100% the 6.0 PLD AF set will called Mythgraven.
strange summit
It's a reference to something linked to FF 5 ?
deep roost
Theres no way they would pass that oppurtunity up
teal geyser
Man
Death Unto Dawn is a great 5.5 title
but it's a little weird since that name was trademarked wasn't it?
serene crest
It's a reference to something linked to FF 5 ?
Mythgraven, btw, is the name of Pally Cecil’s first sword in FFIV. While Warriors of Dawn is a FFV thing.
strange summit
Nice
teal geyser
Mythgraven, btw, is the name of Pally Cecil’s first sword in FFIV. While Warrior...
OH YEAH IT WAS
Fuck I forgot that sword even had a name
serene crest
It was just Legend in the NA SNES version lol
wary perch
I don't think we will lost our blessing of light since I'm sure future expansion will have primals too
teal geyser
I don't think we will lost our blessing of light since I'm sure future expansion...
Conflating echo with blessing there
two different things remember
wary perch
hmmm I thought its the blessing of light that prevent us from being tempered and not echo
deep roost
we wont lose the echo, I just think if Hydaelyn will poof, so does the blessing that comes with being champion.
teal geyser
hmmm I thought its the blessing of light that prevent us from being tempered and...
nope, it's ALWAYS been the echo
serene crest
Nah it’s just the echo as Zenos proved with his resonance.
teal geyser
and like, any conversation we've ever had about being immune to tempering
deep roost
nobody is immune to being tempered by Tataru.
strange summit
Also, looking forward to have Zemus at some point on the moon
serene crest
I stand by my batshit Zenomus theory
wary perch
Ah right, I just confused myself
strange summit
I stand by my batshit Zenomus theory
I want to read it
serene crest
Oh it’s nothing more than replacing Zemus with Zenos. Therefore Zeromus is Zenomus.
strange summit
Ok let me stand by this theory too
deep roost
I like it, sounds cool
strange summit
I have to admit, I'm hyped with nearly everything until the FanFest and 5.5 part 2
serene crest
Zeronos? One or the other. Would be neat lol
strange summit
He lacks the "I'm superior" part of Zemus tho
deep roost
His theme song
serene crest
He knows he is and he doesn’t need to prove it. He’s instead waiting for us to get to his level so we can fight as equals
deep roost
Zeromus theme song is the shit
teal geyser
okay there has to be more than that though
strange summit
... yes
teal geyser
...huh
deep roost
serene crest
Zemus is one of those last minute surprise bosses that they could have fleshed out a bit more, I admit. That in itself is one of the reasons I would want to see the XIV team’s spin on it.
teal geyser
Zemus is one of those last minute surprise bosses that they could have fleshed o...
As far as FF last minute bosses are concerned he's far from the worst
serene crest
Maybe not as “out of fkn nowhere” as Necron but he counts.
deep roost
Necron was outtafuckingnowhere
serene crest
Yu Yevon had at least some buildup. We knew who he was and what he was doing at least.
strange summit
"omg they killed Death itself wtf"
serene crest
Although, yeah, he does come up pretty late in the third act.
tardy elm
They need a female villain. And not another male villain that turns into a female supermodel
teal geyser
and not another male villain that turns into a female supermodel
Hey let me have this
serene crest
I’m down for another Kuja ngl
serene crest
Depends on which version of Pandaemonium we’re getting.
strange summit
Also that's why I'm thinking we're going to have a Hera-Terra thing where the moon and Hydaelyn as a planet use it's fusion card
severe brook
honestly i think they'll pull from aspects of both Pandaemoniums along with new stuff
btw i have more grounding for my "Pandaemonium is a new Words of Lahabrea" theory
the Words of Lahabrea focused on Phantomology, the creation and study of arcane entities
Daemon usually means Demon now, but originally just meant any Spirit
Spirit could be argued to be equivalent to Phantom
so Pandaemonium = Place of All Phantoms
strange summit
Exorcist as a new DPS class confirmed
teal geyser
so Pandaemonium = Place of All Phantoms
which is HELL
severe brook
well yes
multiple meanings have always suited the Ascians very well
and it starting as one thing, a place where arcane entities can be studied
and becoming another, a metaphorical and literal hell for whatever is left of its creator and his workings
would be quite fitting
also predicting pandaemonium will be located on/in the moon if it is Lahabrea's Secret Lab
as it's the one place he'd know no mortal could find it
heady shadow
you know....
severe brook
possibly revealed when the moon gets hole punched
heady shadow
not everything secret needs to be somewhere like the moon
it can be right in front of you
heady shadow
nah
severe brook
my original concept was that Pandaemonium was located in Ilsabard
heady shadow
something else more unlikely
severe brook
but i felt that was kind of arbitrary
if it's more unlikely then how is it in front of me
serene crest
Nagyn. Or I guess it’s Origin now? Bread is the new CEO of EA and we have to take the fight to him.
severe brook
i mean i had the reasoning for why it was on the moon
because my original concept did have it on the planet
and then i thought "why would he put his secret lab of Concepts in a place where someone could dig into it"
deep roost
Or it could actually be Hell , a partition or segment of the lifestream.
severe brook
that's the other possibility
but personally i think it's more likely to be a laboratory/archive of some sort
we had the Proto-Phoenix incident in Through His Eyes
and then Lahabrea got compared to that Proto-Phoenix in Ere Our Curtain Falls
and I feel like they're setting up something with that
deep roost
I'm more thinking with Emet gone, the domain which he houses souls of his brethren [Panamonium] as hades is now absent. Lots of shit is going down.
Cerberus out and about
heady shadow
im sure it'sd...nothing too bad
lahabrea being alive and being normal would be uh... yeah
wary perch
Cerberus is from the void though
Nah I doubt lahabrea is alive
Pandemonium is place of death most likely hell rebellion lol
deep roost
We are getting a lot of Hell theme'd content leading up to 6.0. I wont be suprised if the next DPS job is Hell Knight (Netherseer).
teal geyser
the thing could be under uldah or Nym for all we know
The 24-man it can't be
teal geyser
There is literally only two things the 24-man raid could be
severe brook
again, he'd be in a proto-phoenix situation
his soul, or whatever's left of it, becomes anchored to a construct of his in Pandaemonium
futilely lashing out and raging despite being already dead
teal geyser
Oh okay
heady shadow
not the 24 man
strange summit
Plot twist, Azem saved the proto-phoenix and befriended him
teal geyser
Carry on Scree
heady shadow
i know the 24 could be silvertear but i didnt hear the second one
severe brook
well that'd be a bit difficult
since we saw emet kill it
and usher the soul possessing it into the afterlife
strange summit
He clearly killed him ? because on the french version of the novel, he only snap but wakes up at the same moment
severe brook
now, in lahabrea's case, i don't think he'll be able to constantly regenerate like the Firebird
since he was already very low on aether
even before being devoured like the 
he is
okay rereading the tale
it does cut away before the actual fight
teal geyser
i know the 24 could be silvertear but i didnt hear the second one
It has to be Silvertear really. The only other...two things that is really "mysterious" in Eorzea other than that is the stuff regarding Ramuh but that's not really raid worthy and could be tied to Silvertear or the other anyway. The only other thing it could be is Farreach volcano that is said to be "the gates to the underworld" but even then that's not a thing I could class as being a "point of lore steeped in mystery" since it's not something that ever gets talked about
severe brook
so i guess maybe somehow Azem stepped in and saved the Firebird and befriended it and everyone was fine
but i feel like that cheapens the whole thing
like why bother getting hades because of his expertise with souls if the firebird could be tamed anyway
the story would have no point
deep roost
I dont think its Farrach, we haven't even hinted at doing the underworld questline yet
teal geyser
so i *guess* maybe somehow Azem stepped in and saved the Firebird and befriended...
no
heady shadow
silvertear has been egging the back of everyone since 1.0/1.x
severe brook
i was pointing out how absurd the argument was cal
that is not what i think happened at all
heady shadow
they even let it slip that there was concept art for it too
teal geyser
silvertear has been egging the back of everyone since 1.0/1.x
Yeah literally I want it so bad, inject Silvertear into my veins
strange summit
but Azem save things
teal geyser
they even let it slip that there was concept art for it too
and a name and yadda yadda
severe brook
didn't save Ifrita, did they
strange summit
But I see your point Blitz
teal geyser
silvertear has been egging the back of everyone since 1.0/1.x
Also when they do the raid they better fucking explain the 1.0 trailer better so people can stop asking about it
strange summit
Also, Silvertear is a huge aetherial current knot, right ?
severe brook
i don't remember if that's how it's described
but it has a massive amount of aether in it
teal geyser
Also, Silvertear is a huge aetherial current knot, right ?
Yeah pretty much
severe brook
my running theory is it's something like the antitower cave
teal geyser
i don't remember if that's how it's described
Close enough
severe brook
and that both are places where the aetherial sea is closer to physical existence than elsewhere
teal geyser
and that both are places where the aetherial sea is closer to physical existence...
same
severe brook
which also could be an aetherial current knot
a place where aether flows together into one spot
like a reverse river delta
teal geyser
also
puts on tinfoil hat
Could be the point where aether from the shards flow into the source
severe brook
maybe
severe brook
also could be why eorzea's always at the middle
strange summit
Which might explain why the tower can be so easily teleported
severe brook
and why norvrandt alone is the center of the flood
teal geyser
also could be why eorzea's always at the middle
yeah and why Eorzea is the most aetherically rich
strange summit
I mean, drawing aether from silvertear lake
teal geyser
I mean, drawing aether from silvertear lake
well it doesn't
deep roost
What big mysteries havent been paid off yet in Heavensward? I recall yoship emphasizing HW content will be largely be revisited in the next xpac.
severe brook
the tower was able to teleport because of the other tech and powers in it
and its own massive reserves
it had no connection to silvertear beyond location
strange summit
Ah yes right
rough kestrel
HW content is probably Sharlayan stuff
teal geyser
maybe the reserves came from the lake a loooooooooooong time ago but....it's never said, it's always just said to be from the sun
rough kestrel
And idylshire related things
teal geyser
What big mysteries havent been paid off yet in Heavensward? I recall yoship emph...
I recall him saying to recap HW for 5.4 and that was it
and that makes sense cause Ga Bu
severe brook
and azys lla
teal geyser
and Matoya
strange summit
Honestly, I'm also eager to hear again about the Antitower
severe brook
going to turn out they've built a bigger antitower in sharlayan
rough kestrel
The CT is just a giant battery, though it might be there is a reason it's at the location it's at
severe brook
and that's the tower of babil
teal geyser
oh and Aymeric I guess
severe brook
that's how we dig into the earth
deep roost
Azyzlla I kinda can guess what is gona come out of that
rough kestrel
Did we ever get told why the CT was originally built?
teal geyser
cough
rough kestrel
Was it FOR opening a gateway to the void?
teal geyser
Was it FOR opening a gateway to the void?
no not originally
deep roost
its literally a battery
severe brook
it's a superbattery
strange summit
And a primal prison, right ?
severe brook
no
rough kestrel
I had a thought awhile back that maybe Emet was using it to investigate the noise but nothing came of it.
severe brook
primal imprisoning tech came later
subtle pasture
Syrcus Tower is a big ass solar cell and the centerpiece of the Allagan power grid
subtle pasture
it was later fitted to have a voidgate at the apex, etc, etc
teal geyser
^
teal geyser
It was built before Xande died originally and aka before he went insane
rough kestrel
Yeah
deep roost
They tried to Elon Musk it and was like...well... if we blow this single battery up...we will have a 4th calamity. .. so the emperor did.
teal geyser
teal geyser
i thought it was built after xande died
Nope
severe brook
as a later creation that helped further propel the Allagans
subtle pasture
Dalamud was meant to be an extension of this, using Bahamut's fire aspect to collect solar aether and channel it all back into Syrcus for the purpose of wrenching open a massive voidgate, but,
Calamities, yeah
rough kestrel
The thing I always come back to is emet's familiarity with it in SHB and his involvment with the Allagans
teal geyser
oh I was a bit wrong though
It was built post Xande death
but not after he came back
heady shadow
its emets fault anyway
severe brook
probably
heady shadow
otherwise it would have worked fine
subtle pasture
Oh yeah, Amon was the Tower's architect wasn't he
severe brook
it would've doomed all life
teal geyser
Yeah I skimmed the text and read "Xande did XXX" and skipped the part where it said "direct descendants of Xande...."
severe brook
emet was amon's lab assistant who fed him all of his eyes
"Man, it sure is boring around here! I wonder what Xande's up to?"
deep roost
And helped him make that killer hat
rough kestrel
I pointed out recently that Amon seems very Emet-like
heady shadow
oh god
rough kestrel
They even both have a finger snap
subtle pasture
Amon was certainly a very gifted mage, we haven't seen any other single mage handle that many voidsent at once, esp at fourth/fifth rung
severe brook
maybe an apprentice of his allagan disguise
subtle pasture
...whatever the Kumkums were
teal geyser
They even both have a finger snap
That's because they are both sassy bitches
teal geyser
...whatever the Kumkums were
h-heh
serene crest
"Man, it sure is boring around here! I wonder what Xande's up to?"
Well, excuse me, princess.
teal geyser
I don't think they are the same it's a big stretch
serene crest
teal geyser
I bet they liked each other though
severe brook
i'm going to headcanon that amon was emet-selch's apprentice until we know otherwise
subtle pasture
Yeah, Amon was also the one to seal the Tower in stasis during the Calamity of Earth
teal geyser
Emet and Amon watching plays together eating popcorn
rough kestrel
subtle pasture
another somethin'
rough kestrel
subtle pasture
The Shadowkeeper,
rough kestrel
I was thinking recently that Scylla looks like ^
severe brook
oh also htat
heady shadow
Hmmm
severe brook
well
teal geyser
...whatever the Kumkums were
5th
severe brook
because they like to feel tall
subtle pasture
--Scylla came well before the Shadowkeeper, at least, her appearance on the First,
severe brook
Shadowkeeper has aspects of a lot of the CT bosses incorporated into her
subtle pasture
but the multi-doggo design sure sticks out
severe brook
one can argue Cerberus and Ahriman are incorporated as well
i don't think it's a literal connection
rough kestrel
Well the werewolf thing was a power given to her by Ascians no? The Shadowkeeper I mean
serene crest
give us Allagan Theater Koji-Fox
Allagan Theater but it’s more Ember Island Players. Everything is both hideously incorrect but aware of things that no one feasibly could.
severe brook
but maybe a sign of shared Ascian influence or aether taking on similar forms due to connection through the Void
subtle pasture
Yeah, Amon was likely the best aetherochemist the planet's ever known
severe brook
"Did Phlegethon...die?" "You know it was really unclear."
subtle pasture
Both master technologist and gifted mage
teal geyser
Yeah, Amon was also the one to seal the Tower in stasis during the Calamity of E...
Fucking bullshit btw
rough kestrel
Yeah I'm convinced that Emet was connected to Amon in some way, teacher or whatever
deep roost
butt buddies
teal geyser
"Did Phlegethon...die?" "You know it was really unclear."
Nah the lorebook makes it pretty clear he didn't die
rough kestrel
We never got like a full picture on how he was involved
Just that he was
And we know he wasnt Xande I think
severe brook
Nah the lorebook makes it pretty clear he didn't die
Everything is both hideously incorrect but aware of things that no one feasibly could.
the populace probably didn't know that
subtle pasture
His exact words were "shaped the civilization that built this tower," and how G'raha was an anomaly
which simultaneously says a lot and very little
dammit Hades.
severe brook
also a joke because both Phlegethon and Jet are fallen rebel leaders
serene crest
Cal hasn’t seen Last Airbender? My world is turning upside down. 
rough kestrel
Well his theme is creating empires so he was either ruling from the shadows or was next to the throne.
deep roost
Royal Allag family hiding from secrets from grandpa emet.. uwu sooo sad
teal geyser
Yeah I'm convinced that Emet was connected to Amon in some way, teacher or whate...
whisper "hey buddy why not bring back Xande if you're frustrated with the empire as it is now"
Emet later
"Hey Xande it must suck being alive again, why not just go south and kill everything so you can feel again?"
Emet later
"Oh fuck he wants to summon all the voidsent into the world uhhhhhh shit, let's quickly set up all these plans so that fails and causes the calamity"
Emet proceeds to tell Allagan construction workers to leave the ground around CT and not fortify it
teal geyser
Cal hasn’t seen Last Airbender? My world is turning upside down. <:HyurSad:6613...
I have it was great
subtle pasture
It means he hadn't known about Salina taking the blood transfusion tech, mostly
teal geyser
the populace *probably* didn't know that
?
rough kestrel
Graha being an anomaly was the fact he was super dense and of a bloodline that literally does not exist on The First
severe brook
i mean think about it
heady shadow
I wonder fi Xande making contact with the CoD was part of emets plan.
severe brook
as far as the populace knows the rebel leader phlegethon gets betrayed and vanishes
actually
wait no you're right
teal geyser
I wonder fi Xande making contact with the CoD was part of emets plan.
I want to say no because that feels better
severe brook
amon would absolutely have gloated about it
rough kestrel
@teal geyser 
severe brook
paraded his mind-controlled superhuman rebel everywhere
teal geyser
amon would absolutely have gloated about it
Yeah, show the rebellions what happens when you fuck with them
severe brook
Emet hopping around like the Genie in Prince Ali
but he's just making everyone worse
heady shadow
.....
subtle pasture
It's a shame 5.0 is still sorta written pre-CT mandatory
or else Emet oculda been more clear on his role in its creation
teal geyser
Yeah
teal geyser
Well no
severe brook
teal geyser
I don't think that's needed Pash
I'm absolutely fine with the level of detail regarding Emet and CT
We don't need every detail in existence
severe brook
i mean Emet was not conceived of when the CT was written
rough kestrel
You can infer alot based on how he created Garlemald
severe brook
since he wasn't initially in ShB
subtle pasture
Yeah, it just felt like his ambiguity came off it in part too
severe brook
alternate timeline where Eden is still the 5.0 final boss and Hades is the 8-man Raid
rough kestrel
It's possible Pandaemonium could have been the 8 man in original SHB.
No idea how long they've been thinking about Lahabrea
unborn lantern
this how i play ffxiv
teal geyser
No idea how long they've been thinking about Lahabrea
Since they decided to go really hard into Emet and Elidibus writing since they would have known that Lahabrea as he was would have been underwhelming in comparison
severe brook
THE ORB
heady shadow
wait is that real
unborn lantern
shut burrow
Hiii
teal geyser
yeah its real
....why?
severe brook
pandaemonium feels like a later addition
rough kestrel
@teal geyser I believe there were comments somewhere that seemed to say they knew what they wanted to do for 6.0 before SHB
shut burrow
Lahabrea is a disapointnent
severe brook
likely to now give lahabrea equal presence to the other two
teal geyser
<@!207811544925339648> I believe there were comments somewhere that seemed to sa...
I wouldn't be surprised
severe brook
now he'll stop being a disappointment
subtle pasture
Really? Both of Emet's stories hype up Creations of the Words of Lahabrea
--one accidental, but still
shut burrow
I sure hope so
deep roost
yes they had an outline for 2-3 patches ahead.
subtle pasture
er, one accidental, one misused 🍇
shut burrow
Roadwork ahead??? Yeah sure hope so
unborn lantern
severe brook
continuing alternate timeline: Elidibus ends up occupying Fandaniel's role in alternate 6.0
teal geyser
Really? Both of Emet's stories hype up Creations of the Words of Lahabrea
and then you get into the game and it's https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKMzMZWRKVc
severe brook
The Unsundered all have such eloquent final words.
teal geyser
The Unsundered all have such eloquent final words.
Yeah but at least they didn't go out so pathetically
subtle pasture
"He sure shared a lot in common with his Creations..."
Shade of Lahabrea crawling out of the Hellfire
severe brook
so it seems a decent number of the Shards rejoined were consumed in an Element that can be associated with their game
like the Xth Shard being consumed in the Calamity of Water
rough kestrel
Get ready for P11N where we fight Thanbrea 
shut burrow
For some reason looking at it makes me feel uncomfy
severe brook
when X was about a world of mostly tropics
deep roost
The actual written scripts though arnt completed till way later even if they know where they are going with the story. Endwalker script was completed 3 months after the release of 5.0 and stormblood was completed a month after 3.0 was released.
severe brook
so...here's the thing right
rough kestrel
X is water themed yeah
rough kestrel
Literally fucking Islands and oceans
shut burrow
How samarkand got drowned
rough kestrel
All over
subtle pasture
X was a beach episode of an FF entry,
rough kestrel
^
subtle pasture
and one of the most tragic of a mainline world mythos
teal geyser
X was a beach episode of an FF entry,
Nah that's FFX-2 not X itself tyvm
rough kestrel
Both, X-2 is just the filler beach episoide
teal geyser
Okay fair
rough kestrel
The one you dont see in the Manga
severe brook
i think that what's left of Lahabrea's Soul is going to possess the construct he used to set up the IInd Shard's Rejoining
a massive pseudo-primal/arcane entity that consumed an entire world in flame
and that construct will heavily resemble the Emperor of Hell from FF2
subtle pasture
Igeyorhm being a Lightning clone and how she ruined the 13th--
(I did enjoy 13 but man they really made Ige that.)
rough kestrel
I imagine it'll be that he just... survived, because ultimately he's a higher being than Thordan
Now that we know he's unsundered
severe brook
i think that'd cheapen a lot of latter ShB though
unborn lantern
La-HEE-Brea
severe brook
so i don't think he'll have outright survived
serene crest
2nd shard was fire. 3rd was earth. 5th was wind. 6th, ice. 7th, umbral (lol). 12th, lightning.
unborn lantern
severe brook
i think it's going to be a lingering framgne tof his soul that refuses to die
subtle pasture
Like the soul that became trapped in the proto-phoenix
shut burrow
LA HEE
severe brook
2nd shard was fire. 3rd was earth. 5th was wind. 6th, ice. 7th, umbral (lol). 12...
FF2: Emperor rises up out of Hell.
FF3: Xande again. Need I say more.
FF5: Wind Motif
FF6: Starts in Winter, Celes' Ice motif
FF7: Astral. Associated with Meteor.
FF12: ??? i don't know 12 as well
rough kestrel
Waltz for the moon
shut burrow
Umh
subtle pasture
FF12 and Lightning, uhhhh
shut burrow
Wait what the 12tb share consumed by
severe brook
12th shard was consumed by lightning
shut burrow
Tries to think
severe brook
13th shard was consumed by darkness/astral in a Flood
whereas 7th was consumed by astral in a rejoining through a Meteor
rough kestrel
Long story short it doesnt line up so lets drop it
shut burrow
Meteorererererer
unborn lantern
subtle pasture
I guess FF13 and a Flood of Darkness would most align with Valhalla merging with the living world at the end of 13-2
shut burrow
What do u guys think the floods looked like
serene crest
12th as lightning is admittedly the thinnest one. The rest hold up though.
severe brook
we only had two floods
but if you mean in terms of the calamities on the rejoined shards
unborn lantern
they look like semen
deep roost
Actually the 13th shard was an earth aspect. Not darkness
heady shadow
¯_(ツ)_/¯
severe brook
???
unborn lantern
but thats just me
shut burrow
But what about like a flood of earth
rough kestrel
Earth aspect was the rejoining that destroyed Allag due to a void portal
Not dure to darkness
due*
severe brook
the Allagan Calamity consumed the Third Shard
deep roost
13th shard is earth
shut burrow
The 13th wasn't absorbed
severe brook
no
subtle pasture
13's mythos made the realm of Valhalla permeated with chaos, an energy only allowed into the living word as motes that were the basis of souls-- the death of Etro (who was already dead, mind), threw wide the gates of Etro and melded the two into a timeless realm that wouldn't know death
severe brook
13th Shard is the Void
subtle pasture
which, yeah, very Void-y I suppose
severe brook
which is Darkness
deep roost
the only thing that is left of the 13th is darkness because of CoD
But it's original aspect was earth
rough kestrel
"The Fourth Umbral Calamity or Calamity of Earth brought the fall of the ancient Allagan Empire that dominated the Three Great Continents throughout the Third Astral Era. At the end of Allag's reign, they had resurrected their first emperor, Xande, to revitalize their stagnant society. He entered his nation into a long and bloody war of conquest against the southern continent of Meracydia, seizing victory after forging a pact with a powerful voidsent known as the Cloud of Darkness."
severe brook
they didn't have original aspects
those are just the elements forced on them in the Rejoinings
and they didn't have the polarization leanings
until the Thirteenth became the Void
subtle pasture
Actually, per Eden, we learn it was the Fall of the Thirteenth that caused the remaining Reflections to have tilts
With the First's tilt towards Light a result of its distance from the Thirteenth
deep roost
13th shard was also the 1st and 4th attempt at a rejoinjng
severe brook
Where are you getting this from Joshua
the 4th Calamity was what consumed the 3rd Shard
it was not Thirteenth Round 2
subtle pasture
No, Xande never had the chance to finalize his pact with the Cloud, because the Calamity of Earth sunk the Tower
severe brook
Thirteenth Round 2 was, in theory, the Eighth Calamity
but we don't know if that worked or not
subtle pasture
Hence why he's trying to finalize it with the Tower's opening in ARR
serene crest
Iggy dropped the ball harder than it has ever been dropped by accidentally flooding the 13th but it had the benefit of inadvertently making the rest of their work easier by throwing off each shard’s balance.
wary perch
@deep roost 13th shard is the very first and they blew it by not readying the source for rejoining which turn 13th into a void
severe brook
anyway, before i go to bed,
i've always liked the idea of the Xth Shard's end being brought about by a mix of Sin from FFX and Ziusudra's Sin from Bravely Default
this person embodying Elemental Water, manifesting as a titanic wraith forming out of a colossal whale
who seeks to drown all the world in grief.
I have no backing for this except I think it'd be cool.
rough kestrel
The First Umbral Calamity was responsible for Rejoining the Fifth shard to the Source.
The Second Umbral Calamity was responsible for Rejoining the Twelfth shard to the Source.
The Third Umbral Calamity was responsible for Rejoining the Second shard to the Source.
The Fourth Umbral Calamity was responsible for Rejoining the Third shard to the Source.
The Fifth Umbral Calamity was responsible for Rejoining the Sixth shard to the Source.
The Sixth Umbral Calamity was responsible for Rejoining the Tenth shard to the Source.
subtle pasture
I am so bothered only the Seventh matches its absorbed Shard
wary perch
Crap some of my words are missing and misspelled
rough kestrel
The 13th exploding is a separate event entirely, that happened to have an overall influence.
deep roost
logarithm fucked up their first attempt at a rejoining which poofed the 13th shard. It still existed but made a lot of voidsent.
subtle pasture
Aye, the fall of the 13th is in uhhhh,
rough kestrel
I dunno if he's paying attention/reading
wary perch
And it has nothing to do with earth aspect calamity
subtle pasture
Yeah, so the time between the Sundering and the First Umbral Calamity is massively unknown outside of 1) the fall of the 13th, and 2) the age of the Twelve
rough kestrel
All it did was teach them how to trigger them
subtle pasture
maybe we'll learn more of that nonsense
teal geyser
Yeah, so the time between the Sundering and the First Umbral Calamity is massive...
You could try to roughly approximate it though
because we know the total length approximately from sundering till now
and we have some dates like end of Allag to now
and try to average out years of astral periods
wary perch
Iirc it's only 10000 thousand years
teal geyser
Iirc it's only 10000 thousand years
12k
subtle pasture
In fact, we don't even know much of the First Umbral Calamity, just that the First Umbral Era was a time of hurricanes and typhoons
deep roost
also the ascians made cracks in the dimensional barrier to allow aether to leak back into the 13th and restore it a little.
teal geyser
also the ascians made cracks in the dimensional barrier to allow aether to leak ...
no?
deep roost
1st umbral calamity wind, king mog talked about it
teal geyser
yes to rejoin a world
idk why you're taking that and assuming it had anything to do with the 13th
no one talks about that
deep roost
oh I switched topics
serene crest
I do like that small throwaway line in an item description about dinosaur fossils and the perceived age of the planet and how it could be hand waved by saying it’s because of petrification spells.
teal geyser
oh I switched topics
Well I don't recall it ever being said they did that ever anwyay
teal geyser
I do like that small throwaway line in an item description about dinosaur fossil...
Oh yeah, that's part of that churning mist levequest
rough kestrel
They didnt do that, but they knew how to trigger events that caused cracks to appear
Which is the entire rejoining process
subtle pasture
Yeah, they knew the relationship had to be balanced,
rough kestrel
"Failing to Rejoin the Thirteenth, the Ascians discovered a means by which they could reunite the Source and its shards. By creating havoc of an elemental aspect on a shard, they could create a crack in the dimensional barrier between it and the Source, causing aether to trickle back into it. By simultaneously causing a catastrophe of the same aspect on the Source, the barrier would break, pulling the whole of the shard into the Source. '
subtle pasture
A heightened Shard could Flood, but that deluge could be directed to the Source if it is likewise heightened
deep roost
spanx virtus
rough kestrel
What? I dont give a fuck about the 13th
teal geyser
btw I love levequest descriptions
I like this one where they are really pissed off that the temple knights had another levequest asking to do the same thing
subtle pasture
Yeah, we know nothing of the impact of Calamities on the 13th, only theories the Calamity of Light would have somehow drawn it in too
teal geyser
"Failing to Rejoin the Thirteenth, the Ascians discovered a means by which they ...
mmm
somehow drawn it in too
magic magnets baby
subtle pasture
Yeah it was basically static cling on a massive aetherial scale
rough kestrel
It's probably because they arent suppose to be sundered so they're drawn together if allowed a path.
wary perch
also the ascians made cracks in the dimensional barrier to allow aether to leak ...
@rough kestrel I thought you reinforcing this point
subtle pasture
Mitron says the Fall of the 13th caused their tilts which raises the possibility the Reflections could have just existed in equilibrium beforehand
rough kestrel
I'd like to know what the 13th was like if it was predisposed to activity and growth
subtle pasture
the tilts alone arent the cracks though, its their alignments towards Light or Dark
teal geyser
Mitron says the Fall of the 13th caused their tilts which raises the possibility...
I do find that part very interesting
deep roost
Oh no, it was that passage that reminded me of a conversation I think with cyvl.. with how they utilized the cracks to manipulate voidsent
But I cant remember where that is
teal geyser
Well that's not the same thing as trying to give it life
deep roost
So I'm go a give up
subtle pasture
more importantly,
deft burrow
hehe, where do you think?
wary perch
Eumore vendor
teal geyser
*hehe, where do you think?*
I can't follow up that joke without feeling awful
subtle pasture
how the hell did the Boutique of Splendors acquire a full inventory of that design
deft burrow
fair enough
subtle pasture
Cylva in her Deepshadow getup: "On all levels except physical, I am a wolf."
She barks and the SK's shadow appears briefly
rough kestrel
Nobody told her about The Cosmos
wary perch
So what's the joke?
subtle pasture
Ya'know, with the announcement of Role Quests before ShB, they said the story would be concerning Team Ardbert
God I'm so excited to see what the second batch concerns
rough kestrel
Team Unukalhai
subtle pasture
I hope so, but I have the sneaking suspicion those'll be like the Allied Quests of the Role Quests
deep roost
Unukalhai and Cvyl are ..immortal? Summoned ghosts? I can't remember
heady shadow
uh...
somewhere in the ballparl of....
*ballpark
10,000-11,000
depends how long it was when the sundering happened
even though the people in question would tell you it felt like no time passed
@teal geyser correct me irf im wrong
teal geyser
<@!207811544925339648> correct me irf im wrong
actually no
let's keep it as 1666.666 years per era
wait no nevermind
you can't do that
do the math correctly this time it comes out more like 9905 years
heady shadow
sounds good
deep roost
Wow good est
teal geyser
I'd argue it's closer to 10,000 years than 11,000 though just because I feel like Ascians would have really had to consider what the fuck happened, get their members back, then work to rejoin shit, etc etc
actually no maybe nearer to 11,000
I give them 1000 years for the Ascians to sort their shit
and then get working on rejoining which I'd assume would take less than 500 years to complete and fail
heady shadow
yeah
teal geyser
so that'd be 10,500 years old at least
subtle pasture
Are you factoring in how they were solo until adopting a buddy system after Ige’s fuck up
teal geyser
I don't think that matters too much
heady shadow
well
we are going off when the 13th fell
so their buddy systems isnt important rn
teal geyser
to be fair Pash is saying "before the buddy system" which is in this timeframe
subtle pasture
It means, presumably, some shards weren’t touched by Ascians during the earlier eras, but yeah that wouldn’t have much bearings on that timeline
teal geyser
but I don't think it'd actually make a difference to the speed of things
teal geyser
It means, presumably, some shards weren’t touched by Ascians during the earlier ...
Not sure why that means some shards weren't touched
subtle pasture
As in, there would have only been 7 teams if they paired up, so not every shard would have had regular Ascian influence
teal geyser
oh after the buddy system
Sure I guess yeah
or they just double dipped
"you two handle X and Y shards"
@heady shadow My head hurts now btw
subtle pasture
It bothers me to think of their buddy system and how we saw Lahabrea had a team of 4 on the Source after ARR, not including Emmerololth at Val,
Not including Emet getting ready to “die”
subtle pasture
We had 6 Ascians active on the Source at the end of ARR, and 
2 active on the First, so 6 between the other 4 reflections?
Oh I guess that checks out
Weird ass Ascian deployments
5, as Elidibus was also active Source side
4 in Laha’s team, him included. 1 at Val, 1 in Garlemald, 1 watching us and the Scions, 2 on the First. 4, for the other 4 Reflections
Those 4 being Fandaniel, Altima, Deudalaphon and Halmarut, so, 
teal geyser
Oh fuck
teal geyser
We had 6 Ascians active on the Source at the end of ARR, and <:wearycarby:588388...
To be fair
some of those simply popped in quickly
so much for the buddy system when they just decide to yolo off the shard and do whatever they want solo
subtle pasture
It’s assuming that proto-Chrysalis dark room totally not the Mordian Gaol was on the Source
teal geyser
Sure
subtle pasture
Laha’s team shot at the end of ARR
teal geyser
But that's just a nice Ascian meeting
I wouldn't think about it as "Lahabrea's team" or anything
subtle pasture
But more concretely it was still Emet, Emmero, Laha, and Ige active source side
subtle pasture
—and Emmero was totally on their own so yeah buddy system what’s that
teal geyser
btw man Nabby stinks
subtle pasture
Being a grumpy old man but also deciding when would be the most dramatic time for him to “die”
spiral wagon
I want to see a Skycity of Bhujerba in 6.0
Replaying ff12 and realizing i would really love to see that
Make it the eulmore equivalent abd thatd be awesome
somber storm
Never
shut burrow
Thavnair has been around for a long time
gaunt star
shut burrow
Like a long long time
gaunt star
inb4 thavnair gets destroyed in 6.0
teal geyser
Who needs tomes when everyone is dead?
gaunt star
^
high swan
Fiiiiine
thavnair and garlemald restoration at the same time?
high swan
Imagine the devs doing anything outside the norm or breaking the mold of how expansions release content
untold gull
So, someone in reddit suggested new class might be mage knight based on info from field notes from bozja and also suggested that gabranth might be that class - thoughts?
gaunt star
yoshida said he wants to upgrade graphics
inb4 delays 7.0
tiny wind
high swan
Who cares about missing genders. Everyone plays Cat people anyway
untold gull
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