Also getting flying basically requires completing the entire zone and maxing out reputation
#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
rain onyx
formal niche
I don't have to slog through 2 miles of mobs being packed in to daze me every 3 feet
teal geyser
Also getting flying basically requires completing the entire zone and maxing out...
So ballache
unique verge
tbh, flying in WoW was a net negative for the game, but they're stuck with it now.
distant sonnet
14 strikes a nice balance. Finish the zone, do some 'splorin, done. Fly away.
exotic copper
getting flying requires completing every zones main questline and rep
before you can fly ANYwhere in the new expac
chrome cipher
Yeah, I will agree 14 did flying better I think.
exotic copper
14 had the advantage of seeing what wow did wrong
distant sonnet
I honestly expect not to fly on the moon. But we'll see.
exotic copper
i'm afraid the moon will be bozja
teal geyser
I honestly expect not to fly on the moon. But we'll see.
I don't see why we can't
exotic copper
They wont
teal geyser
They said they thought about it but won't yeah
exotic copper
remember, we're blocked cause we're toxic
teal geyser
I think their reason was it was too much of a pain
teal geyser
remember, we're blocked cause we're toxic
I don't give a shit
exotic copper
lmaoo
gaunt star
Omg yes!! Make the moon the relic zone to really screw over the casuals
chrome cipher
Well, my dreams are now dashed
rain onyx
Relic
Casuals
Pick one
distant sonnet
Moon isn't the final zone anyway. There'll be somethin else.
gaunt star
I can picture myself making millions of grinding moon items and selling them on the mb like the wind caller hair
rain onyx
Relic is literally made to be done as a casual grind.
teal geyser
remember, we're blocked cause we're toxic
Seriously imagine thinking people block others and DON'T still read the messages
kind lark
>Relic
>Casuals
Pick one
The current relics?
rain onyx
You can still get it done slowly with running stuff once a day.
gaunt star
Casuals hate bozja, this is what allows me to scam them
rain onyx
And they recently buffed the speed of the first new step.
chrome cipher
Oh, Calfirma is unblocked cuz they're not bad rn.
distant sonnet
The current relics?
Most casual people I know have or are working on them. The hardcore raiders I know don't care and aren't bothering.
chrome cipher
It was earlier where the issues were.
gaunt star
But SE lied!! They literally told us the story was mandatory
teal geyser
Oh, Calfirma is unblocked cuz they're not bad rn.
You blocking me was stupid anyway
:3
chrome cipher
@teal geyser I'm not justifying my desire to avoid toxicity
kind lark
Some relic I'm going to do but others like the door bow no thanks
unique verge
Blocking anyone other than someone who is harassing you in DM's is, frankly, petty.
chrome cipher
Not to you or anyone. I have a right to safeguard my mental health. You have a problem with that, it's not mine.
exotic copper
troo
distant sonnet
Door bow is a step to greater things yet!
gaunt star
I think I blocked like 1 person probably a chemist fanboy
exotic copper
if your mental health is fragile enough to be in danger because of a public discord server, maybe don't show up to the public discord
chrome cipher
If people are being nasty, that is what the block button is for.
So don't police people's right or desire to utilize it
Moving on
teal geyser
Blocking anyone other than someone who is harassing you in DM's is, frankly, pet...
Mmm, didn't even shit on Verah as a person
gaunt star
That and if they say the same thing over and over again
distant sonnet
Blocking anyone other than someone who is harassing you in DM's is, frankly, pet...
Ehh yes and no. Some people just aren't worth engaging with. I don't personally block em, but if someone wants to come have a conversation I don't begrudge them avoiding people who mostly seem to just be riling them up.
exotic copper
the only reason to tell someone you blocked them
is because you want to tilt them
which says a lot
about where you are mentally
gaunt star
Sounds like chaotic evil vibes
chrome cipher
Where do you think the story will go now that the Zodiark saga is ending?
exotic copper
well first to the moon
gaunt star
Mists of Pandaria
unique verge
The obvious place for it to go is "the cause of the Final Days"
distant sonnet
I'm hoping a short period of lower key stuff. Lets go to Sharlayn, get a degree, find ourselves.
chrome cipher
Lol
unique verge
lmao
distant sonnet
But oh no! Our dorm roomie is none other than Zenos.
unique verge
Why is it when twenty-somethings ramble about "finding themselves" all they "find" is a bunch of debt
lol
chrome cipher
Marry our npc husbando/waifu, settle down, have a few warriorlings....
exotic copper
@unique verge because the system is morally bankrupt and preys upon their own children.
teal geyser
Where do you think the story will go now that the Zodiark saga is ending?
Assuming the final days shit gets finished up too...I think we'll have a chill adventure expansion and then maybe patching the world together and maybe more space threats
unique verge
But yeah. Given the history of the game, quiet downtime seems unlikely.
exotic copper
the last 10 years of ff14 have happened in a year in the lore
teal geyser
But yeah. Given the history of the game, quiet downtime seems unlikely.
I think it's fitting as the start to a new era
exotic copper
i'm still upset
chrome cipher
I kinda wonder if finding out the cause of the final days would be utilized in preventing our own final days...
distant sonnet
That said we do have a number of lingering threats
teal geyser
And not a hero
unique verge
It largely depends on how the Final Days related aspects are resolved.
distant sonnet
Three Bahamut siblings remain
teal geyser
It largely depends on how the Final Days related aspects are resolved.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
distant sonnet
Dragonstar/Omega Planet..
exotic copper
yes thats how you spell 3
unique verge
because its either gonna be :
A. It was Fandaniel simulating a bunch of shit and its over already.
B. It was Fandaniel waking some shit up and now we've got our big bad for the next 5 expansions.
Quiet downtime works for the former, but not the latter
teal geyser
because its either gonna be :
A. It was Fandaniel simulating a bunch of shit an...
Personally I'm going with
C) space parasite and Fanny got corrupted
exotic copper
i wish fandaniel had real emotions
unique verge
C is mostly B in my view
teal geyser
i wish fandaniel had real emotions
He has real emotion
teal geyser
C is mostly B in my view
Sure but C removes the waking up thing
Which changes the dynamics I guess?
exotic copper
also is murder an emotion
teal geyser
also is murder an emotion
The intent behind it is one
craggy pawn
fandaniel has a group called "endbringers" ,maybe they caused the first final days.
teal geyser
fandaniel has a group called "endbringers" ,maybe they caused the first final da...
Is that what that word means?
exotic copper
one brings end and one brings start
unique verge
Sure but C removes the waking up thing
Not necessarily. To use the typical example - Lavos "corrupted" Zeal while he was still "asleep"
exotic copper
two toned echos
craggy pawn
Yep
teal geyser
Neat
teal geyser
Not necessarily. To use the typical example - Lavos "corrupted" Zeal while he w...
I don't know anything about Chrono Trigger
twilit peak
Personally I'm going with
C) space parasite and Fanny got corrupted
Oh god male vera are parasites
teal geyser
hey can we make our own super group
The Scions?
exotic copper
rename them
craggy pawn
Also has anyone noticed in the teaser that the tower was kinda organic.
exotic copper
startbringers
teal geyser
Also has anyone noticed in the teaser that the tower was kinda organic.
Literally everyone lol
twilit peak
Xenomorph stuff
exotic copper
has anyone noticed that the new job might be skeleton related
unique verge
I don't know anything about Chrono Trigger
Fair enough. You ought to give it a play before EW tbh. There's some...significant Lavos / Zeal vibes going on already
teal geyser
Lol Elrek
teal geyser
Fair enough. You ought to give it a play before EW tbh. There's some...signifi...
I don't play bad games
unique verge
Heresy
exotic copper
woah
twilit peak
Wait a second... space parasite
exotic copper
did you just call chrono trigger a bad game
exotic copper
in a final fantasy discord
twilit peak
The next big bad is going to be a xenomorph form alien
teal geyser
The artstyle is whatever and Frog sucks
exotic copper
this is why you like drk
dim sigil
Ct isnt that great
exotic copper
because you have bad taste
teal geyser
Eat my bait
unique verge
.....
exotic copper
i mean
unique verge
I'm surrounded by heretics
teal geyser
For real though not bait I don't like the MC design
exotic copper
usually i wait until the third date
teal geyser
MC design is bad, I don't like the concept of Frog but I think I'll like his character and CT has nice music
twilit peak
And together we form voltron
unique verge
Also, to take the earlier thought to its conclusion.
exotic copper
we all want to be wrong
unique verge
but that he changed shirts 3 times
teal geyser
3?
teal geyser
What was the other one that wasn't the other reaper?
exotic copper
oh lol
teal geyser
what if jobs are changing roles
Oh God I remember that
exotic copper
templar
unique verge
The obvious troll here is "its a job that revolves around changing clothes"
thus we're getting X-2 dresspheres
teal geyser
The obvious troll here is "its a job that revolves around changing clothes"
Songstress please
Give them microphone access
Like bard has performance
unique verge
Hey, at least two of those shirts had to do with bands
teal geyser
Watch the world burn
unique verge
This is maybe going places
turbid aspen
oh no i cant begin to imagine the catpeople concerts 🤮
exotic copper
uh
it exists already
there are some people who made software and have several accounts of bards
and play "concerts"
unique verge
As far as I am concerned, such people do not exist
exotic copper
honestly i was pretty impressed with the software
coordinating so many clients simultaneously
regal lantern
Reaper, necromancer and Templar
Although I don’t get where Templar comes from
Also I really hope (as a roleplayer) that the new jobs are NOT WoL restricted like BLM/WHM
exotic copper
The Filth and the Fury was printed on the shirt
which is a doc directed by Julien Temple about the Sex Pistols
temple -> templar
regal lantern
Ah fair
somber storm
Necromancer, Templar and Reaper
exotic copper
in the same vein as Sam Raimi -> Samurai
somber storm
Hmm, sex pistols
somber storm
Floor tank buddy
signal solar
role play?
teal geyser
are you just like, a normal dude with a job crystal
depends on you
you don't need to have a job crystal or anything
I just wouldn't act like you're the WoL
exotic copper
lol right
but like, do they acknowledge all the events that have happened
and like, who the scions are, etc
teal geyser
depends
would their character have reason to know those people?
You'll find a lot of questions about RP will result in "depends"
forest magnet
So something that's been bugging me is that there's a Fleur De Lis on the apparent PLD AF
for 6.0
because as it stands there's no nation in the game either on the Source or the First that uses the Fleur De Lis as symbolism
teal geyser
So something that's been bugging me is that there's a Fleur De Lis on the appare...
I don't see it honestly
oh wait
I see it
it was right in front of me
teal geyser
Well, to that I'd say "it's attached to a much bigger object so I wouldn't think too much about it"
teal geyser
for sure
forest magnet
it's an apparent irl symbol in the game
teal geyser
if it was a fleur de lis by itself I'd think you'd have more credit to think about it
but since it's part of another thing I wouldn't
It's like
hmm
I can't tell what that symbol is part of
forest magnet
forest magnet
poor heads
it's the folds in the cape
teal geyser
But yeah that symbol looks like the cap of a fucking flask or something
chemist confirmed???
teal geyser
I really wouldn't think about it that hard
rough geyser
Omg..who knows..Allah knows best
teal geyser
is it?
rough geyser
Lunar Nation
teal geyser
It's a super iconic symbol connected to knights
(and france)
but whatever
and I'm sure we've used symbols from irl that don't make sense in game to simply draw aesthetics already
somber storm
Ishgard probably has some fleur de lis
craggy gale
ew, french
forest magnet
none of the high houses use the fleur de lis from what i can see
deft burrow
Sharlayan
rough kestrel
I have offered the possibility before of some jobs having multiple modes/roles
slate ridge
is the wol in the trailer wearing the artifact gear whenever he is in a different job?
slate ridge
does that make the paladin outfit he's wearing the new lvl 90 af gear?
rough kestrel
More than likely
subtle pasture
Yeah, HW was the 60 DRG, SB was 70 MNK
slate ridge
i think SB is both mnk and sam
subtle pasture
80 DRK, 90 PLD
slate ridge
he was seen as a samurai during the kugane bit
subtle pasture
Oh yeah right, I mostly remember the mnk shots
subtle pasture
The sam look shows up in the beginning of ShB too, yeah
slate ridge
was he an archer at one point during the shb trailer?
slate ridge
mnk during the fight with lyse
rough kestrel
In 1.x he was an archer
Thats all that is
A throwback
But before 1.x even ended he swapprd to WAR
slate ridge
i think when he was wandering through the first he was an archer, and it was not until he encoutered the sin eater that he changed
subtle pasture
because the spar with Lyse is more iconic than the weeb shit with slicing bullets to me
rough kestrel
Oh weird
subtle pasture
Plus, this shot and MNKlander in front of Bloodstorm
think those were used in promos more than SAMlander-- at least, for actual SB ads, not sam as a new job stuff
do you think the full END trailer might continue showing WoL as multiple jobs and transition to him as the new melee 
esp if it's reaper or something edgy and so thematically opposed to PLD
slate ridge
i heard paladin was done on purpose because of ffiv
and dark knight for shb as well in a sense
subtle pasture
ofc, each iconic job of an expac had ties to it, whether literal and/or symbolically,
gaunt star
it’s a nod to cecil’s transition from DRK to pld
subtle pasture
PLD has a lot of glints of light and flashes of dawn aspects too, matching 6.0 as a dawn of a new day
exotic copper
betting that the job after pld is whm
after the war, after the fight, you need growth
ruby hull
Agreed. That's exactly why I get furious when the WoW crowd compares DRK to the Death Knight from WoW lore who is essentially a Necromancer in heavy armor.
severe brook
They do seem to choose the Job to focus on for the expansion based on how it relates to the expansion's setting in some way
Dragoon, Monk, and Samurai were all tied to the history of the expansions' settings that they were the mascots of, each being a tradition deeply connected to both that culture and the current conflict.
Dark Knight and Paladin, meanwhile, are focused on countering the setting rather than complementing it like their predecessors.
So if we were to think about the Poster Job for 7.0, we'd likely need to consider 7.0's setting
open verge
If it’s new world it’s mch
earnest sedge
DRK just wants to love man
severe brook
because colonialism right
open verge
LOOOOOOL
That was not even remotely where I was going with that
But somehow it’s 10x more accurate
severe brook
now maybe i'm too optimistic but if/when we have a New World expansion i don't think SE would have our characters be literal conquistadors
open verge
severe brook
personally, i am still holding to my theory that 7.0 will be Sharlayan
and that while Square is setting it up in 6.0 with Sage
open verge
Who the duck wants to visit nerds after the world gets destroyed
severe brook
that's more to drum up hype rather than cram it in with Thavnair and the Moon and Garlemald and whatever else in Ilsabard
ruby hull
now maybe i'm too optimistic but if/when we have a New World expansion i don't t...
7.0 will be the next 2.0 ARR in my opinion. A setting like New World or a completely new planet are the most likely candidates if that's the case
severe brook
i mean i'm thinking 7.0 is going to be a breather
I don't think it'll be a completely new planet, we still have stuff to explore on this one that people are interested in
Other possibilities for 7.0 could include Return to Eorzea, New World, or Meracydia
floral aurora
7.0 - Travel to an alternative dimension
severe brook
but i think the most likely are Northern Empty with a big Sharlayan focus, or Return to Eorzea
severe brook
i feel like they wouldn't do that right after we have our big apocalypse
a bit redundant to have an expansion about cancelling armageddon and then have the sequel be about an armageddon anyway
okay as i type that
i do realize that's basically 5.0 and 6.0
floral aurora
I'm just messing around lol I honestly just hope its more calamity stuff and maybe some new threat we had no clue about
deft burrow
YoshiP did say he is planning to take 14 to new heights with 7.0
So anything is possible
Its also the big lvl 100 expac
Its not gonna be a "breather"
It'll be big
floral aurora
Empire, Ascians, and First Primals I wouldn't mind all ending in Endwalker
gaunt star
Island living: part 2!!
floral aurora
All new stuff going forward in 7.0
severe brook
i mean that it'll probably be a relative breather
deft burrow
¯_(ツ)_/¯
severe brook
them just making it "And now here's a bigger threat immediately" isn't really how they structure things
at least not a bigger threat in terms of raw scope and power
like Elidibus as Warrior of Light is probably not as outright powerful as Hades was
but still functions as a significant threat and the true finale of ShB anyway
deft burrow
It'll be some kind of tease
severe brook
anyway my guess for future expansions:
7.0: Eorzea 2 or Northern Empty (Sharlayan)
8.0: Meracydia or New World
9.0: New World or Meracydia
floral aurora
I still think we will get a new world in 7.0
deft burrow
They'd need to do something alongside it
severe brook
meracydia's not too small
severe brook
they made an entire expansion out of just Northern Eorzea
where are you getting it being the size of Thavnair?
deft burrow
We have seen Meracydia
lusty shadowBOT
deft burrow
Dude
floral aurora
This the full map?
severe brook
yeah i looked again
deft burrow
its small
severe brook
that's not the size of thavnair though
deft burrow
Its about that
severe brook
like yeah its not as big as one of the three great continents
but it's bigger than thavnair
severe brook
so by that logic, about the size of northern eorzea
deft burrow
The New World is definitely its own expansion though
severe brook
where they set all of heavensward
deft burrow
No Dravania is bigger
floral aurora
Koshu is a place we haven't been to yet right?
floral aurora
I know this is probably far fetched but
severe brook
which part of the Three Great Continents is that on the northern hemisphere?
it's hard to tell with the clouds
somber storm
We have another angle of the planet
floral aurora
Do you think we will get more underwater areas later on? I'm seeing some water areas I don't think we explored yet
deft burrow
I think its the bottom part of Aldenard
deft burrow
You can see Vylbrand
severe brook
okay that does put it in perspective
deft burrow
Yeah
somber storm
Do you think we will get more underwater areas later on? I'm seeing some water a...
Nah, we swim on the moon
severe brook
but still meracydia does have a lot of stuff going on on it
floral aurora
The Drown and Sirensong Sea
severe brook
or did
floral aurora
I am curious what's there
deft burrow
Eh I mean as far as we know its like The Empty right now
severe brook
at the least i think it has the potential to be a full expansion
deft burrow
A barren wasteland
severe brook
it's a different kind of wasteland from the empty
deft burrow
But we don't know for sure what could be there
severe brook
the empty's not on fire
deft burrow
It was
severe brook
sorry clarified
deft burrow
hm
severe brook
parts of meracydia are still burning
severe brook
i mean my absurd prediction is that survivors of Meracydia are going to try to summon the Warring Triad again out of spite to restore their land and take revenge on Eorzea for what was done to them
and then the Triad will merge together into Crusader
deft burrow
There are only a few survivors
I don't think there is enough aether there to summon a primal
Since it was drained
deft burrow
I mean they know that the Allagans are long gone
None of the current nations are a threat to them
severe brook
that doesn't mean there wouldn't be lingering resentment
floral aurora
I wonder do they want to move on from Primal summons
severe brook
we've had recent evidence that even modern peoples can still bear grudges for what happened to their ancestors in Allagan times
hi misija
deft burrow
I doubt that they'd summon primals after having their strongest primal, Bahamut be enslaved and used by the Allagans
You'd think they'd learn
severe brook
Terminus Beast
floral aurora
Yes
severe brook
I doubt that they'd summon primals after having their strongest primal, Bahamut ...
no organized empire to capture their primals, no Omega or Ultima capable of trapping or consuming them.
they could see it as the time to act and reclaim the bounty stolen from them by the ancestors of the people to the north.
so to speak.
floral aurora
Would all of you be okay if Primal summons wasn't a thing going forward?
severe brook
i think i'd be conflicted
on the one hand, it'd make sense for it to stop
the ascians are going to be gone, and that means no one is spreading the ritual around
on the other
it has been, usually, the main method for representing the series' summons
and while we have gone through most of them there are still a few it'd be fun to see show up as primals
like the aforementioned crusader or valigarmanda
pine epoch
I mean theres also other methods introduced as we moved forward
Such as voidsent being the more demonic summons
severe brook
well yeah we do have some cases of spontaneous primal summoning without the ritual
oh you mean the case of diabolos
yeah that's also true
pine epoch
And then uh... lucavi representing the 12 tactics summons
severe brook
still hoping for Doomtrain to show up as a Voidsent at some point
pine epoch
Like fucking Trigger Weapon was invented
I wouldnt mind an expac where a Blade made by allag was used as the crux for an expansion story
Combine Ragnarok the summon sword and crusader
Into 1
Stuff it in meracydia
tardy elm
Are there trains in erorzea?
gaunt star
In garlemald
drowsy ivy
yes
pine epoch
Only garlean
drowsy ivy
no
floral aurora
And have we seen alot of things taken from FF7&FF8? Because if not maybe that might be 7.0 thing
pine epoch
Guard scorpion from ff7 and type 0 are used by garleans
And gunbreaker is inspired by ff8 gunblade
as well as some music and a boss
drowsy ivy
Train tracks in Thanalan
severe brook
Garlemald definitely has trains
floral aurora
I haven't played 3&5 but I'm sure we had elements from those in ffxiv already
somber storm
Thanalan trolleys
pine epoch
We even saw a train depot
severe brook
it's looking like one of the new dungeons in 6.0 is
yeah
a train depot
Doomtrain as the train depot dungeon boss
Terminus Beast born from a child's fear of trains
drowsy ivy
Magitek Doomtrain
severe brook
floral aurora
Or! Maybe they want to move away from using elements from other ff games going forward
severe brook
i doubt that'll be the case
pine epoch
Garleans already have a legend of a haunted train carrying the souls of the dead
severe brook
a good chunk of XIV's identity comes from working together influences from throughout the series
i think it'd only hurt them to throw that away completely
now i am glad that they're trying more original things for some stuff
like what they've said about the 6.X 24-man raid being completely original
pine epoch
In garlemald where travel by machine is common place, the tale is told of a spectral locomotive whose passengers are spirits of the dead...
floral aurora
I'm all for a Jenova/Mutated monsters in the future
wary perch
Mhach alliance are original but it didn't stop them from using pass FF bosses and mobs
tardy elm
Why are all Roedygins have light blue/teal skin and Merylb’s is ghost white?
pine epoch
So I would hold off on saying it's original till we know more
floral aurora
I honestly forgot Sage was in FF4
pine epoch
Sea wolves skin tone ranges from white to green to pure black
floral aurora
Thought Sage was something completely new
pine epoch
Hellsguard skin ranges from white to tan to red to black
tardy elm
Who has black and red?
pine epoch
Me
gloomy shale
what is an upgraded Sage?
gaunt star
Sage in FFXIV was shit
floral aurora
But doesn't Sage have the full powers of dark and light magic? Where RDM only has like some of it
gloomy shale
So it will be a RDM clone?
pine epoch
Fusoya being his own sage job
floral aurora
Thought they had White
severe brook
the only thing carrying over from past instances of Sage is the name
pine epoch
Not related at all to red mage
floral aurora
Also missing holy and flare
BLM needs Ultima in 6.0
gaunt star
I’d settle for a meteor or comet spell but that works too
gloomy shale
Isn't Sage just a technology job?
severe brook
in the past, Sage's thing was being a Red Mage minus swordsmanship but able to use all the levels of White and Black magic
floral aurora
And are White and Meteor tied in terms of power?
gloomy shale
so half tech half magic?
twilit peak
Elidibus = WoL
gloomy shale
thought it was garlean
pine epoch
Sage is pure magic
twilit peak
On the moon and wearing a white robe
floral aurora
Think they would call White (Holy) in FFXIV i think
twilit peak
Hmmmm
pine epoch
White was a mistranslation of holy
floral aurora
But in FF4 is was the best light magic spell
pine epoch
Meteor is inconsistent in FF flopping between strongest black magic spell and strongest time magic spell
gaunt star
It’s also called fade or pearl sometimes
twilit peak
Though seriously I would like to make the connection betwene the ascians and the WoL in this scene
gloomy shale
Will Time Mage finally come in 7.0? Or is AST all we get
gaunt star
You will eat your ast and you will like it
drowsy ivy
Will Time Mage finally come in 7.0? Or is AST all we get
Well we cant see the future so
gloomy shale
ah thought someone could
floral aurora
What else could we give BLM except, Ultima, Gravity, Comet, and Death. And I think Foul is our Gravity spell
pine epoch
Gravity is time spell
pine epoch
Comet and meteor in most FF games is also time magic.
But 14 uses meteor as black mage lb3
Since meteor is also used as black magic at times
floral aurora
Think we will just get a Fire V and Blizzard V?
Real curious what they will give BLM
gaunt star
Give us void magic
gloomy shale
Nuke
gaunt star
Dark and Darkga
floral aurora
I'm all for some cool stuff we might not have seen in other ff games
gloomy shale
maybe they will add another dark mage in the future
gloomy shale
eh
floral aurora
I'm okay with the 3
gloomy shale
idk even know what other phys ranged are out there, but I guess they can always create jobs ala GNB
floral aurora
We got a Arrow, Gun and Boomerang job, what else could they add
gloomy shale
dual pistol job
brisk quail
Fire Combo
floral aurora
XD
gloomy shale
I'm still thinking Chemist is down the pipe
floral aurora
Thought Geomancer is what most wanted?
viscid monolith
Yshtola already used a spell in a cutscene that looks like Meltdown
gloomy shale
they have Lightspeed and stuff
gaunt star
Chemreapmancer
floral aurora
Damn
gloomy shale
Actually Lightspeed is the only time magic spell after looking through it
viscid monolith
Astrologian pulled from Time Mage in the past but those abilities were taken away in 5.0
floral aurora
I guess time stuff wouldn't work well in FFXIV
gloomy shale
yeah would probably be auto include in groups
viscid monolith
Time Mage could totally work
brisk quail
We just extended buff card durations
floral aurora
I see Green Mage is a ff thing, wonder could that work in FFXIV
gaunt star
Green mage is a total support class
Unlikely to happen unless they give it its own line of damage spells besides oil
pine epoch
Green mage entire job identity is a piggy back of skills that usually dont have a main job associated with
Like uh... illusion which boost evasion
And haste which is usually time magic
floral aurora
Time Magic xD
I honestly just see 2 magical dps in 7.0
Because what else is left for melee?
pine epoch
Melee will always get new jobs
Especially since scouting is the odd ball left. As a MMO that will be living until it dies by players hands. We will keep getting new jobs
woven escarp
they might stop adding them when they're kind of redundant
serene crest
That recent interview, Yoshi mentioned it's his personal preference that we always get at least one new deeps when they add new jobs.
tardy elm
Time magic? Does anyone in erorzea have a watch?
floral aurora
Bat, Golf Club, Whip, Lightsaber, Nunchucks or different style of material arts job like monk?
Idk what could be left
serene crest
As long as we get more new original shit, I'm all for whatever they add.
floral aurora
XD
floral aurora
Lightsaber it is xD
pine epoch
They can steal weapons from other games like nouliths are totally original and not based on a anime
I want swordwhip
tardy elm
Aether-saber 💡 Use the Echo Luke!
floral aurora
Lightsaber melee dps - No positionals required
pine epoch
From soulcalibur/bloodstained
serene crest
Ngl threaded cane was my favorite weapon in Bloodborne
pine epoch
Fuck they could also do trick weapons
tardy elm
What about fighting with a leafy branch? Like conjurer 🦃
gaunt star
Add restoration shaman
pine epoch
Literally as long as creativity exist we dont have anything to worry about
Also it's my personal belief Geomancer will be the next caster dps down the road when we get to that bridge. wielding a Bell Hammer
A hammer with a bell attatched
Or just a bell
And throw hammer to something else
pine epoch
We have 2 casters that are more fast paced dps. Where they skip cast times through inner mechanics
Geo would fit the bill of a caster dps that's more slow. Like black mage
pine epoch
Range dps if I had to take a pick. Crossbow. Or do something out there.
I mean range dps summons a spectral crossbow
But it's not a weapon weapon
floral aurora
Would say Gundam but we sort of have that now lol
serene crest
I still want FF12 hand bombs but I think I'm the only one
woven escarp
oracle more likely than geomancer, just because geomancer has a lore block on it
gaunt star
There is no lore block on geo. Oracle deals with predicting the future so that might step on astro a bit
woven escarp
uh
what
ast and geo are basically the same
like, you spend all of the stormblood ast quests helping a geomancer
gaunt star
They draw from the same power but it manifests differently
Anyway the guy opens a geo school at the end so it’s a free for all
pine epoch
Geo lore block means shit
As we learn Geomancy has multiple schools within its self
Kugane has geomancers who are more like exorcist but their not really because their scumbags
dim sigil
What about a job from the first
pine epoch
You got yanxia geomancers (also we fought geomancers in swallows compass)
You got breeder geomancers who breed animals
The four lords also practice geomancy
I'd be down for a job from the first
Just fucking write disruption in time and space. Dude shows up on the source
tardy elm
Sin Eater Summoner 🍺
earnest sedge
You got yanxia geomancers (also we fought geomancers in swallows compass)
Rockbois
gritty violet
Feel like after 6.0, and the end of Pandemonium
unborn lantern
gritty violet
The ascians won't be relevant
balmy mesa
pls no
gritty violet
Oh god
unborn lantern
severe brook
yeah i think pandaemonium will be the ascian last hurrah
we might get some stuff that's like the after effects of some of their ploys
like i imagine they're setting up more Void stuff that'll probably last a while and that's technically stemming from Ascian plots
but the Ascians themselves probably won't be involved
maiden lodge
yeah i think pandaemonium will be the ascian last hurrah
My suspicion is it's about Laha's history, possibly more Amaurot stuff
severe brook
yeah, my personal guess is that it'll be Lahabrea's laboratory where he had kept designing new concepts
and that after all this time without him keeping it under lock and key, those concepts will be breaking out
and then we'll find out whatever's left of his spirit will have possessed one of the concepts
connecting to Proto-Phoenix, which Lahabrea was compared to in the Ancient flashback short stories
cinder badger
Laha had a lab?
dim sigil
Did they say if it's a normal or alliance raids
severe brook
i mean
the Words of Lahabrea existed
so he did pre-Final Days
my guess is that it'd be a place where he could be developing plans for the Rejoining in secret
also i think they said that the Alliance Raid is the one they haven't revealed yet
so Pandaemonium would be the normal raid
cinder badger
Or at least he hoped if not for Emet Selch always a way in and messing everything up. Always pushing buttons while exclaiming "What does this dooooo?"
It's just something every genius has to face in their life
Dumb Friends Are Family always screwing up your plans
"Quiet! We must return to the lab and prepare for tomorrow night."
"Why Lahabrea? What are we going to do tomorrow night?"
" The same thing we do every night Elidibus. Try to rejoin the world!"
severe brook
each of the unsundered had their own times to be both the genius and the dumb friend
cinder badger
But did the others have a lab?
It would be funny to hear a villain on this game say " and I would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling Scions!"
balmy mesa
But did the others have a lab?
afaik in one of the dungeons (Anyder, I think - it's been forever), it states that lahabread was unique amongst the ancients for having his own science facility
woven escarp
because he's in charge of an especially esoteric school of research
not specifically because of the fact he has a laboratory
phantomology or whatever
cinder badger
He's just really really good at summoning shit
subtle pasture
Phantomology concerns the Creation and conception of Arcane Entities, it seems-- that is, Creations that are magics or, well, arcane in nature. From Emet's talk of them in Through his Eyes, we know that these creations cannot hold their own souls, due to being made outside of accordance with the laws of nature.
OF course, Phantomology is not limited to these, given the presence of the pegasi in his Words. Else, we know they accidentally created the Firebird, but also Ifrita and at least one Guardian Force- the latter of which seem to include the summoner's own life force as a sacrifice
That GF Quetzacoatl might have necessitated a trading of life force for its Creation, and the Firebird was accidentally born of the same circumstances, odds are both were the earliest known form of Primals
--God I hope Pandaemonium is a deep dive on Lahabrea and Phantomology
maiden lodge
He also investigated monsters that were cropping up in the wild that had no ready explanation, Archeotania being the big toothy example
It's interesting to constrast Lahabrea's job (development of constructs and research into monsters) with Emet-selch's Bureau of the Architect (classification of developed constructs, and production approval)
subtle pasture
Yeah, the Firebird incident on its own does that pretty well, when it was moved from the Words of Lahabrea to the Bureau to be, uh, d-dealt with?
And Hythlo reaches out to Emet as likely the only person who could give it peace
maiden lodge
And Hythlo reaches out to Emet as likely the only person who could give it peace
I... like this interpretation.
subtle pasture
I mean he put it down, but the firebird was inflicting a lot of pain on itself just thrashing about and exploding over and over
subtle pasture
And not to mention the story doesn't pull the punch on Emet seeing himself in its struggle
severe brook
The Firebird, which Lahabrea gets specifically compared to later
and we now know some part of him is returning in Pandaemonium
thus my theory
maiden lodge
and we now know some part of him is returning in Pandaemonium
Well... we don't know he's returning per se.
severe brook
that it'll be about some fragment of him possessing a construct of his in Pandaemonium
maiden lodge
he's totally returning somehow
subtle pasture
We're highly likely to get a Phoenix redux like Data Middy in O10 
severe brook
as a parallel to Emperor Mateus in II
honestly in terms of weird things showing up
i'm betting on Amdusias from FF9
maiden lodge
Honestly, if the raid series does what Eden does and makes every fight make some sort of narrative sense, I'm down
woven escarp
ugh, more phoenix fights 😔
severe brook
it's in Pandaemonium in that game and looks like something you'd find in the Phantomology department
subtle pasture
Hey, the colorfires and Bennuland were a really neat fight
shudders in baiting blackfire
severe brook
subtle pasture
--or if you include Suzaku who is canonically a phoenix rip-off
severe brook
there's also the fact that Proto-Phoenix was able to keep manifesting itself so long as that Restless Soul was bound to it
so we might even get multiple lahabrea fights
with him reconstructing his possessed body each time it's killed
severe brook
though as i say that
he probably wouldn't have enough aether to do it constantly like the Firebird did
severe brook
honestly i'm guessing it's in the moon
subtle pasture
--is there a shitpost of Suzaku's humanoid form with Laha's mask smacked on her face captioned "P12 spoilers"
severe brook
there will be soon
lahabrea's secret phantomology lab where he would design primal concepts and other things for use in setting up calamities
subtle pasture
I can't wait to see the wing and floor naming scheme for Pandaemonium
guess it's likely to be circles of hell
Pandaemonium: Inferno - First Ring
woven escarp
"static" "raid finder" "clear for a friend"
serene crest
Purgatorio > Paradiso? 
subtle pasture
Lahabrea's true name is revealed to be Dante
I loved how extra the Eden floor names were,
Resurrection to Eternity
severe brook
i was trying to pull up the gif of a guy wreathed in flames breakdancing
and was going to caption it "P12S Spoilers"
but all i could find was this
so you know what
P12S Spoilers
i have no idea what this is from
subtle pasture
Me realizing Ifrita would have solid odds of being an edit of Penthesilea's model
the big tiddy moth gf
subtle pasture
In all honesty I'd imagine Ifrita to be like, an addition to P4S
going on that idea of, somehow, Lahabrea being every end boss
woven escarp
a new pet every final floor like robotnik
subtle pasture
"Suzteus isn't real they can't hurt you"
Suzabrea
I guess the alternative meme is Esper Mateus but the ice goddess, idk, a flame atronach
eden Ifrit with a bra
And speaking of running Rab last week reminded me how fuckin' cool it was they gave the ice goddess a full ice skating animation
severe brook
P12S will be Zalera but it's Lahabrea and Ifrita
subtle pasture
I just had the thought if P4 was Zalera and 2nd or 3rd tier you learn Zalera and, idk, Shemazai? Are shades the Shade-labrea made trying to revive his friends
Shemhazai as Igeyorhm's counterpart, ofc
P4 Shemhazai, P8 Zalera, CALLIN' IT
severe brook
hmm
subtle pasture
alternatively Zalera in Zadnor PLEASE
severe brook
then being Arcane Entities that were used for setting up Calamities and Aspectings on other Shards would be a neat way to fit them in as well
subtle pasture
The best Lucavi design
subtle pasture
d-did they
severe brook
i've argued Phase 1 Hades has resemblances to Zalera
subtle pasture
Oh, yeah okay fair.
severe brook
in terms of general structure, and having the Zodiark Scepter in place of the shamaness
and the feather decorations
severe brook
that being said, the Gemini Auracite is still conspicuously missing
subtle pasture
Byakko man mode, and Eden Shiva's Drachen Armor
Mateus is prob the most dyanmic of the Esper models just for having the goddess be detachable
I just lovE HIS ADD PHASE SO MUCH
serene crest
inb4 we don't get Death Seraph Zalera and instead get the Mobius version
severe brook
i mean
that'd be pretty neat
it's not as stylish as FF12 Zalera
but it's a suitably grotesque design
subtle pasture
Metal,
14 needs something like Barthandelus' armor for Orphan
which is like, half him, half Minerva
despite them being the same entity
severe brook
The symbol on the shamaness's forehead when Zalera uses Prime Lv. Death is the Blood-Sin from Vagrant Story, a tattoo of great power.
Huh who knew
subtle pasture
can't believe we went through the abominable angel expac without seeing a use of Orphan's model
severe brook
Orphan's a bit more mechanical than the Sin-Eaters usually were
like even when the sin-eaters are inorganic
subtle pasture
Yeah but Forgiven Whimsy
severe brook
they're more statuesque or ornamental
gaunt star
Any leaks or ideas for the new melee job?
severe brook
before i was thinking 6.0's 24-man would be an Allagan Moon City
with Barthandelus as an AI governing it
I stand by it being Reaper, as a Scythe-wielding job
serene crest
Implied to share gear with DRG
severe brook
but a recent discussion led me to believe it'll be Meracydian in origin
subtle pasture
Mhachi Military Lore Mhachi Military Lore Mhachi Mili--
serene crest
The shirts that Yoshida wore during the showcase and the following live letter also appear to be hints as well, as it's a move he's done in the past.
severe brook
a fighting style used by undead hunters of Meracydia, who hold back the endless hordes of Voidsent-possessed corpses that plague the land due to Xande's pact
that's my prediction for the lore anyway
serene crest
Both had plainly visible grim reaper/scythe imagery.
But other than that it's a big
¯_(ツ)_/¯
subtle pasture
inb4 it's the Vicegerent to the Warden's fighting style
dual swords and death magic
QARN LORE
severe brook
i am still pretty sure that zenos has a scythe in the trailer
that we briefly see set on the throne, though obscured by it
and he'll probably be switching to the new melee dps
though likely bastardizing it, as he has Samurai in the past
subtle pasture
all I'm sold on was his weapon's top end is near the floor and that was the pommel, and someone showed that that shape looks a lot like the pommel of Judge Drace's mace-- but that doesn't seem Zenos' style
severe brook
i don't agree with that idea
subtle pasture
this shape in particularly, which is her OH
severe brook
i think we are seeing the head but the blade is tilted forward
so it doesn't come out past the edge of the throne
subtle pasture
yeah, true, true,
I replayed that bit to see if somethin' peaked a bit, but no dice
severe brook
also i'm thinking that we're going to see Zenos get off the throne in the full trailer
and make use of the scythe, so we get our Reaper showcase
serene crest
...if he is using the new job, does this mean he's our Vergil/Vegeta after all?
subtle pasture
So Judge Drace was Larsa's guard and like I expect Nerva to be the Larsa to Zenos' Vayne so imagine if he killed one of Nerva' tribunus or took it from him
serene crest
severe brook
lmao
before i was thinking he might have an iteration of Apocalypse
since that weapon was a scythe in XI
but they've already used the name in XIV
subtle pasture
I think we're strongly of the mind his new weapon will be lunar or else Some Old Artifact
woven escarp
hammer job 😌
severe brook
i think a hammer job would be cool but i don' think this is it
woven escarp
hammer as a dps job would be... interesting
it's traditionally a tank weapon in MMOs so having it be a dps role would be funny
HEXASTRIKE returns 😌
heady shadow
cinder badger
I was pretty sure there was never an intention to put this game on Xbox
They did it with Final Fantasy 11 and for some reason they decided to just keep with Sony
I trust micro sucks even less than Sony
woven escarp
the reason they don't have an xbox version is because microsoft wouldn't allow them to offer XI without paying for live
balmy mesa
two reasons
woven escarp
so you had to pay for live and the subscription
predictably, nobody wanted to do that so the xbox version had like 400 people playing
cinder badger
And they will continue to do so because that is how a micro sucks works
woven escarp
allegedly they changed it for some other MMO?
balmy mesa
live being one (this is technically no longer a problem),
plus, MS wanted people to be on their own infrastructure/servers
phil spencer's still keen on having FFXIV come to xbsx, at least
woven escarp
if phil wants it, he'll probably get it
he convinced microsoft to buy bethesda and id software lmao
balmy mesa
SE is probably not backing down on these two points, tho - the chat thing is probably the biggest blocker
woven escarp
"yeah these guys haven't made a good game in like 20 years but people still buy em and I like skyrim so let's just fuckin do it boys" - phil spencer at the MS boardroom pitch meeting, 2020
cinder badger
Just wait for Skyrim super duper Mega special awesome ultimate deluxe super special edition
woven escarp
skyrim, but it's the one where you wake up in your car halfway to work
"hey, you're awake. your teams meeting is in 15 minutes."
balmy mesa
you know what would be great for laughs? if they did a deal with one of the toaster brands and bundled a copy of the game with their toasters
cinder badger
Skyrim if redeveloped by Mans1ay3r
woven escarp
the skyrim edition xbone sex
cinder badger
Complete with Swaggin Jarl Balgruuf and honey covered tiddy teets
woven escarp
instead of the xbox splash screen it's just the fade from white into the cart
"xbox"
cinder badger
My computer tech class in HS taught me to hate Microsoft.
We learned how to change the boot image for Microsoft Windows 98 so read "Microsucks Winblows 69"
Sch couldn't heal through trash pull wtf
dense kite
...if he is using the new job, does this mean he's our Vergil/Vegeta after all?
This was in question?
cinder badger
Okay... so anyone remember the final boss of Doma Castle?
dense kite
He's constantly been built up as our rival, and is most likely going to end up getting Vegeta'd, either in death by the big bad, or by 'redeeming' himself and becoming a less... actively destructive person
cinder badger
Melee DPS: Chainsaw blade
dense kite
Just like Vergil, the guy who got an unholy number of people killed, ||before flinging himself into the abyss for redemption|| (DMC5 spoilerinos), or Vegeta, the guy who's responsible for exterminating literal full planets so that they can be sold, before becoming a dad
balmy mesa
fits in with the "maiming" gear vibe
dense kite
And for the job, my money's on a 1H scythe, a la Warframe
cinder badger
DEEP STRIKES
dense kite
The chainsaw would take too many players
cinder badger
SPACE MARINES
dense kite
Y'all remember the MCH chainsaw leak way back when?
cinder badger
Pepperidge Farm remembers
dense kite
One day
floral aurora
Wonder if games were still 8 bit would players in late 20s and older be playing games as much lol
heady shadow
considering people still buy chrono trigger probably yeah
floral aurora
But as much now? XD Glad games have come a long way as we gotten older
untold gull
balmy mesa
considering people still buy chrono trigger probably yeah
remake or original?
heady shadow
i havent heard of a remake. remaster sure
but i heard people didnt like that one
something to do with sprites
balmy mesa
yeah, issue was with the sprites
but anyway, loved the original version
SE really fucked the pooch when it came to doing 2000s-era remasters/remakes
heady shadow
yeah
balmy mesa
I also need to finish Persona 5...
floral aurora
And Persona 5 Strikers is this week xD
balmy mesa
ps4 has been collecting dust for like, forever now
floral aurora
But P5 Strikers is on PS4/PC/Switch
balmy mesa
I want the original P5 on PC, ffs.
floral aurora
Must be some Sony deal
balmy mesa
I'm inclined to think it's just Atlus being a small indie company (haven't we heard this before?)
heady shadow
nah atlus finds more profit in just doing console releases
warped parrot
How do you get more storage for FC ?
untold gull
P5R, never the original. original can go disappear into oblivion
teal geyser
How do you get more storage for FC ?
wrong channel but by ranking up your FC
shut burrow
Hiii
teal geyser
hi
balmy mesa
h
open verge
Yea wit a little India
shut burrow
Yeah
balmy mesa
more persian I feel
I'm keen for it
it's a bit of a shame it's like eulmore 2.0 tho
but I think it'd be nice if we didn't get a city that had a big-ass wide space like rhalgr's
untold gull
and here i'm just happy we finally get the Source version of Il Mheg
patent axle
but I think it'd be nice if we didn't get a city that had a big-ass wide space l...
Rhalgr's reach is the most boring place to navigate thru
it's just
flat
untold gull
Rhalgr's Reach also has that bloody annoying music
I can't stand the bloody thing. Also, if the statue had been part of the city itself, it would've been fine
Just have the statue be climbable, has a ridiculous vista location that requires jumping off of it and you've got a not so flat city 
balmy mesa
I think if they didn't have the crafting stuff on the literal opposite side of the city from the general stuff (and the aetheryte) it'd be fine
but on the flip side, eulmore sucks in that you don't experience the shitty side of the city all that often
open verge
A lot of the music in stormblood annoyed the fuck out of me
shut burrow
Me the 1% that liked Stormblood
gaunt star
Me the 1% that liked Stormblood
Aye
shut burrow
Ayyyyyyyy
untold gull
Excuse you but Triumph is amazing
shut burrow
I loved all of the music in all of the expansions
untold gull
Well, i suppose the good music is mostly in Trials and bosses so... Guess you're right about SB music 
shut burrow
Omg the amount of times I danced to Doma's music while I was exploring it
strange summit
