retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[unborn lantern]

Pipipu Pipi

[deft burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/akeno-akeno-himejima-gif-19193560

[somber storm]

Pepepe Pepe

[solid roost]

You emotionally unavailable? Nooooo.....

[shut burrow]

Yanyan Yan

[solid roost]

Parappa Rappa

[teal geyser]

Okay I think I've actually seen someone called that

[cinder badger]

For dunes the last four letters of the first nane make up the last

[unborn lantern]

Nyaya NYa

[cinder badger]

Momodi Modi

[shut burrow]

Pepepepepe pepe

[solid roost]

Okay then Parapa Rapa

[exotic copper]

Emotionally exhausted and unavailable are distinctly separate

I can hate you tomorrow if you like

[solid roost]

Like Parappa the Rappa!

[unborn lantern]

Teledji Tele

[untold gull]

pls no

not that rotten potato

[teal geyser]

Is that consistent across gender? Tbh it I don't remember Lalafell scheme off by heart

[dim sigil]

I have meet the person who had claim on the Namano uldah somthing name on like every server sure is interesting

[cinder badger]

While the first four letters of the first name are usually the same

[shut burrow]

Torotoro Toro

[half phoenix]

But his name is Teledji Adeledji

[solid roost]

https://tenor.com/view/persuade-parappa-parappa-the-rapper-ptr-um-jammer-lammy-gif-18745464

[unborn lantern]

thats a plainsfolk name

[cinder badger]

@half phoenix he is a plainsfolk

[untold gull]

wait, how tf do y'all know that

[half phoenix]

ah, been so long since i've done 2.x i forgot XD

[shut burrow]

Me hate Teledji

[unborn lantern]

[midnight nymph]

he’s half

[cinder badger]

Not all lalafell in Ul'dah are Dunes

[untold gull]

naming convention, not the asshat potato

[half phoenix]

Plains Lalafell have pupils, Dunes don't

[somber storm]

Jonathan Jona

[unborn lantern]

Dunes have pupils

they're just covered

[shut burrow]

Dunes eyes are pretty

[solid roost]

The only people who knock parappa are the people who never played it lol

[cinder badger]

@half phoenix technically we do is just that our eyes are covered with a protective film to block both Sun and Sand

[teal geyser]

Koji Fox has forum posts going into A LOT of detail regarding naming conventions

[untold gull]

oh

[midnight nymph]

ye

[teal geyser]

Also stuff like.... dragon speak

[solid roost]

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/61151

[teal geyser]

and ancient roe dictionary

Thanks Lythia

[exotic copper]

i tried understanding xaela names once

once.

[solid roost]

Lalafell - Dunesfolk

Male

1. The phoneme pattern used is AAB - CCB
2. The A and C phonemes are 1 syllable, the B phoneme 2.
3. The A and C phonemes may rhyme, but do not have to.
4. Syllables are most often a single consonant paired with a single vowel, or simply a single vowel.

• Jajariku Nanariku (rhyming)
• Momomena Lolomena (rhyming)
• Nunulupa Tatalupa (non-rhyming)
• Fafajoni Kukujoni (non-rhyming)

There are rare cases when the B phoneme will ‘seemingly’ have one syllable such as Zozonan or Nanalai. The ‘n’ and ‘i’ here are, in fact, the remnants of sounds that were once paired with a Lalafellin vowel that, over time, has disappeared from speech, and therefore become silent in names.

Female

1. The phoneme pattern used is AAB - AB
2. The A and B phonemes are 1 syllable (with the A phoneme always repeated in the forename).
3. Syllables are most often a single consonant paired with a single vowel, or simply a single vowel.

• Jajano Jano
• Kokobi Kobi
• Yayamo Yamo
• Chuchumu Chumu

Fun Fact: Members of the Ul'dah and Sil'dih royal families also bear the names of their respective sultanates.

• Nanamo Ul Namo
• Lalawefu Sil Tatawefu

[half phoenix]

Hell, they have Moon Keeper naming conventions for males up to the 10th born son.... i don't think we have 10 Male Moon Keeper Miqo'te in the game as named NPCs XD

[teal geyser]

ah

so the dunefolk last bit of their name isn't consistent across gender, I knew it

[exotic copper]

get some seawolves names on here eh

[unborn lantern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4phUCJlomPo Also to prove my point that dunesfolk have pupils

at 1:38

Nanamo's pupils

[half phoenix]

Seawolves are just Welsh

[unborn lantern]

[solid roost]

Lalawaifu Si Tatawaifu

That's my vote for you new name

[teal geyser]

Fuck a middle name!?

[solid roost]

well theyre royaltiy

[cinder badger]

Luluwa Luwa was my original Black Mage name back in 1.0

[unborn lantern]

nobody can beat my lalafell name

Yayana Yana

simplicity and beautiful

[teal geyser]

huh

You know I was looking up Telediji right now

[cinder badger]

@unborn lantern and dunesfolk besides

[teal geyser]

when you said he was a plainsfolk

I didn't realise he was half and half

I guess that explains a few things

[solid roost]

Jarjarbinks Carcarsinks

[unborn lantern]

male lalafells with facial hairs

are evil

[teal geyser]

Papashan

Not evil

[half phoenix]

Do you guys think Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch would end up being used as a Seawolf city?

[cinder badger]

@teal geyser he is half and half

[teal geyser]

please

[exotic copper]

yall know they really named merlwyb "sea woman blue fish daughter"

[unborn lantern]

maybe

[cinder badger]

Half ended up on one end of the Banquet Hall and the other by the door

[half phoenix]

You don't need to direct reply to every message >_>

[exotic copper]

what kind of sicko does that to a baby

[somber storm]

Banana Bana

[teal geyser]

Well it's true, she is Sea Woman, and she is the daughter of Blue Fish

[solid roost]

Memeyaba Bebeyaba

[teal geyser]

Don't make me

[exotic copper]

BABAYAGA?

baby yoda?

[solid roost]

HeebeeJeebies JeebeeJeebies

well HebeJeebie JebeJeebie technically

[exotic copper]

Jeejeepers Peepeepers

[unborn lantern]

the most powerful weapon of every lalafells

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndjLRqbzUi8

[solid roost]

JeezyMeasy CreezyMeasy

female plainsfolk names just sound like stuttering

[cinder badger]

Tataru crying when she should be smiling

For a smile better suits a hero

[solid roost]

Taruru Taru

[untold gull]

i don't know what possessed me to look up the old ARR voices but i did. and about five seconds in, i'm cringing like hell from minfilia's voice

[exotic copper]

yo but the vocal buff that dr. evil gets in japanese tho

[teal geyser]

you skip or do Japanese?

[untold gull]

japanese

[teal geyser]

hmmm

[untold gull]

only voice i loved is Urianger

[teal geyser]

What's some pretty bad ARR English

[cinder badger]

Did you know that the rains have ceased and we have been blessed by another beautiful day?

[exotic copper]

no because its 4 am

[unborn lantern]

I wanna kick you.

[exotic copper]

its been snowing since like

yesterday morning

[teal geyser]

https://youtu.be/XT_Nj4i_6kY?t=659 have ARR Nanamo

I love how Nanamo goes so hard into "GarLEans"

[cinder badger]

Why isn't the game back up yet I thought maintenance was over

[untold gull]

god, i miss gideon emery voice

[exotic copper]

can i get some speculation on if fandaniel is ever going to be actually relevant

[unborn lantern]

it's going to be back in an hour

[shut burrow]

JeezyMeasy

[unborn lantern]

it said 2:00 am

[untold gull]

i can't even listen to him in destiny. i barely visit kay there

[teal geyser]

10000000000% relevant

it's not even a question

not sure why you think he isn't

[exotic copper]

my x button is too worn out

[teal geyser]

he's already setting the world on fire

[untold gull]

he was relegated to a boss level already

[exotic copper]

yeah but that doesn't make you relevant

just an asshole

[teal geyser]

I think destroying the world is being super fucking relevant

[exotic copper]

nah

[solid roost]

@exotic copper since maintenance isn't done early I'm going to watch this (sequel to FF5) and see if they mention anything about Ronka.

[exotic copper]

happened before

[solid roost]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU_LfS4ODFs

[teal geyser]

What the fuck does relevancy mean to you then?

[untold gull]

he's an ass that's gonna have a planet size hole in him when we're done

[exotic copper]

like, emet-selch had a whole deal about like, his people

and like emotions

[teal geyser]

wtf this is a whole movie

[unborn lantern]

ILLEGAL

[teal geyser]

@exotic copper having feelings makes you relevant and not your actions?

[exotic copper]

in storytelling, sometimes

[fierce vigil]

Five minutes -- updated to 10 after this hour

[teal geyser]

[solid roost]

In 1994, Square released an original video animation sequel to Final Fantasy V, simply titled Final Fantasy. Produced by animation studio Madhouse, the anime was released in four 30-minute VHS tapes in Japan and was set two hundred years after the game.[59][60] The story focuses on four warriors, one of them the descendant of Bartz,[61] protecting the Wind Crystal from the villain Deathgyunos, who pursues it to achieve godhood.[62] It was localized by Urban Vision in 1998 and released in two VHS volumes for North America under the title Final Fantasy: Legend of the Crystals.[63]

[exotic copper]

like fandaniel is dr evil

hes an ocean with 1 inch of water

[teal geyser]

Listen

[exotic copper]

emet selch is a beautiful lake

[teal geyser]

you can ask "will Fandaniel have substance"

You can't ask if he will be relevant

[exotic copper]

okay but like

[teal geyser]

they are two separate things

[shut burrow]

PLS AN OCEAN WITH 1 INCH OF WATER

[exotic copper]

if zenos did all the things fandaniel did

would i care

[shut burrow]

Why did that make me laugh 😭

[exotic copper]

that fandaniel is gone

[solid roost]

It's funny to me that you two should be so at odds. I felt you were both unified in opposition to me.

[shut burrow]

I find his theatricalness fun

[exotic copper]

people have differing opinions frequently

[teal geyser]

Anyway

[solid roost]

are you serious?

[exotic copper]

deadly

[deft burrow]

Fandaddiel

[solid roost]

that can't possibly be true

[exotic copper]

No i promise

i never have lied in my life

or been facetious

[solid roost]

how do you sleep?

[exotic copper]

Standing.

[solid roost]

like ahorse!

I knew it.

[exotic copper]

Of course, of course.

[solid roost]

All that talk of apples!

[untold gull]

on a serious note, i still think fandaniel was a major player in regards to the final days

[exotic copper]

I again, did not talk of apples

[cinder badger]

The last follow-up said that maintenance was scheduled to end at 1:10 a.m.

[exotic copper]

idk who you think i am

[solid roost]

noice that's in 1 minute

[untold gull]

at least, i think he fucking knew what the sound was

[exotic copper]

but you have misattributed so much dialogue to me

[teal geyser]

I'm just going to rewrite your question as "will he have substance"
and to that I'll say he 100% will get more than now since Yoshi P already hinted at it pretty bigly, also I think it's pretty fair we'll get a lot about Fandaniel and the final days as well in terms of backstory. Will he get enough to be a really thought provoking character? Probably not but I don't think he needs to be

[solid roost]

or 755 farenh-seconds

[exotic copper]

you used the word bigly so like

[untold gull]

as long as they don't make him have a sad backstory

[solid roost]

You're the loudest voice in my heart.

[exotic copper]

i dont want to keep reading

but i kinda have to

please use "heavily" next time

[solid roost]

you don't shout out "Oh yeah I just won that duty bigly!" when you win?

[teal geyser]

....I know, I thought about changing that to something not dumb but thought it was funny

so I kept it

[exotic copper]

of course I do

[solid roost]

You are missing out.

Oh whew

[exotic copper]

but thats my catchphrase

[cinder badger]

Game's up

[unborn lantern]

Omg this movie had the ff music in it

[exotic copper]

i can't have other people taking my bigly great catchphrase

[unborn lantern]

so old

[teal geyser]

Elrek you're going to learn that I love keeping dumb shit in what I write sometimes

[solid roost]

You might have to fight trump on that one

[solid roost]

I been thre.

[exotic copper]

You seem to be implying that I don't do the same thing

[solid roost]

what movie?

[unborn lantern]

the one someone sent us

lol

[solid roost]

I sent it

andit's made by SE

it's canon!

It's literal a sequel movie to the game FF5

[unborn lantern]

yeah i was watching half way through

and i heard a familiar music

its the chocobo music

[exotic copper]

yall seen nausicaa of the valley of the wind?

[teal geyser]

I mean, I can imagine him being some paragon defender like Azem who got corrupted but yeah I don't think they'll make it any real sad backstory

[solid roost]

is that an anime?

[teal geyser]

Not the best Ghibli movie but it's pretty good

[exotic copper]

It's a studio ghibli film.

[cinder badger]

But I'm not corrupted

[exotic copper]

It's where chocobos come from

[cinder badger]

I'm just a little lewd

[teal geyser]

[exotic copper]

And maybe the carbuncle. Maybe.

[solid roost]

nice I've seen a lot of them but i don't think that one

[cinder badger]

Lewd for grapes

[untold gull]

i wish they'd make a full on series of nausicaa

[teal geyser]

huh

[cinder badger]

Grapes have tempered me

[teal geyser]

I never really thought about that Elrek

[exotic copper]

Nausicaa should stay where it is

preserved in time

[solid roost]

oh wow this video is captured from VHS and you can really tell

[teal geyser]

It holds up

[exotic copper]

They straight up said chocobo were from nausicaa

[shut burrow]

Nausica

What's a Nausica

[exotic copper]

ghibli film

[untold gull]

omg....

[unborn lantern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moh8vWYX44g&list=PLS1PT7nVnRpLGSml31FgNmEk01XsSx5mg&index=4

[untold gull]

well, not everyone would know i suppose

[unborn lantern]

omg found the ost

[shut burrow]

Omggg

[unborn lantern]

[untold gull]

at the very least, I wish they'd rerelease the manga

[teal geyser]

Speaking of Ghibli just want to say uh Princess Mononoke best film

[exotic copper]

No

bad

[untold gull]

i prefer nausicaa

[shut burrow]

WAIT I RECOGNIZE IT

[untold gull]

nausicaa is better

[shut burrow]

IT WAS LIKE THAT SPACE ONE RIGHT???

[exotic copper]

LMAO NO

[teal geyser]

Nausicaa no

[shut burrow]

Well

[teal geyser]

...Did Ghibli even do a space movie?

[untold gull]

well, she does fly in it

[shut burrow]

I grew upw ith Ghibli and I don't think I've seen Nausica

[exotic copper]

dude nothing will make me laugh more than someone being so confident while being wrong

[shut burrow]

WAIT I RECOGNIZE IT NOW

[teal geyser]

Me or Venus?

[exotic copper]

Venus

[solid roost]

Fave FF song ever:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6t_uyg_pF8

[untold gull]

omfg, i heard alphy's old shitty snivelling ugly voice

[teal geyser]

It's not great

[shut burrow]

Oh god no

[unborn lantern]

[shut burrow]

Pls not that voice 😩

[solid roost]

but the FFXIV version is also amazing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFw3grUhKhw

[unborn lantern]

whats the characters name again?

[untold gull]

it's so godawful, who tf thought a teenager should sound like their voice didn't mature at all

[exotic copper]

Nausicaa was the first movie where I thought i was seeing up a girls skirt but she just had skin colored leggings on

[shut burrow]

I still have the Garlean theme in my head

Like it's burnt itself into my brain

Just like Alphy's ARR voicde

[solid roost]

from ffxiv?

[shut burrow]

Yes

[solid roost]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJNR00QQKWs?

[exotic copper]

such devastation

[shut burrow]

Yes that one

SUCH DEVASTATION, THIS WAS NOT MY INTENTION!

Or smth

[teal geyser]

Kan-E is a bit flat but her actual voice is fine

[unborn lantern]

ohh her name is Linaly

and apparently can summon chocobos

o.o

[solid roost]

I've had careless whisper stuck in my head for days now

[unborn lantern]

thats.. a worthless summon

[solid roost]

the sax opening

I had to teach myself to play it on bard to get it out of my head

[exotic copper]

do tank! next

[solid roost]

and then other people started playing it and asking how to play it

[untold gull]

man, i have the mount music turned off for the longest time. i forgot the magitek armour mount has terra's theme on it

it's so goooooooood

[solid roost]

so if someone rolls up on your group and starts just playing careless whisper on sax, that's my fault.

[shut burrow]

Do you think all of our mounts are just following us everywhere

[untold gull]

[shut burrow]

Like invisible

And when we call them they appear

[exotic copper]

i would like to inform you, that has been happening since like, 2009

[solid roost]

oh thank god

I did not want to be responsible for that kind of thing

[exotic copper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaoLU6zKaws

[untold gull]

no, we hide them in our interdimentional pocket. just casually pull them out when we need em

[solid roost]

mike diva?

[exotic copper]

man with fully edited video, circa 11

[solid roost]

I know mike diva from this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbM6WbUw7Bs

wait is that guy mike diva?

[exotic copper]

no thats mike ditka

[solid roost]

that video is what made me want to do it

[shut burrow]

Ditka

[exotic copper]

hes a football player turned sports commentator

[solid roost]

that's not ditak

[unborn lantern]

oh the maintenance is over

[shut burrow]

Ditak

[solid roost]

That's not Mike Ditka

[exotic copper]

Its def mike ditka

[shut burrow]

Ditkakaka

[exotic copper]

you can tell because he pauses the video

[teal geyser]

https://youtu.be/ZgJoaZfnpkQ?t=21640 have Alisaie

[exotic copper]

and circles like 5 things

[solid roost]

Looks more like Mike Piazza

[untold gull]

omg thank you, i don't remember her old VA at all

[solid roost]

https://tenor.com/view/go-bears-ditka-chicago-da-intense-gif-12293641

[exotic copper]

Hey why do I have the need to hear Alli's current VA say "I'm really feeling it!"

[shut burrow]

Idk how a person could sound like they're always talking in the cursive font with the two asterisks

[exotic copper]

Like, the shulk line

[teal geyser]

hot take ARR Alisaie isn't that bad because at least she sounds more close to her age than her HW+ one

[untold gull]

nope, nope, nope

[solid roost]

https://tenor.com/view/chris-farley-da-bears-snl-polish-gif-15130639

[exotic copper]

is that mcdonalds

[teal geyser]

Shrimp is based

[untold gull]

well, i mean, the voice itself is perfectly fine

[teal geyser]

yeah

I'm not defending her delivery

it's shit

[cinder badger]

Alisaie is still best

[untold gull]

just....with how her character developed into this aggressive combat oriented fighter, that voice does not fit her at all

[half phoenix]

Meh, I just go with the JP voices

[untold gull]

still though, the voice isn't bad. very bratty than aggressive tho

[exotic copper]

dude i can't believe my little babies are like 16, i remember when they were 12

[cinder badger]

@untold gull don't forget emotionally attached to us

[exotic copper]

that was only a decade ago

[untold gull]

dude, the trailer made them look like 12

[exotic copper]

tbf the trailer made the wol look like a rugged 17 year old

[teal geyser]

It felt a bit over the place, sometimes they looked really young sometimes didn't

[cinder badger]

I thought ARR-ShB all happened in the course of a month?

[exotic copper]

No way

[teal geyser]

It all happens in "less than a year"

[exotic copper]

No fucking way

[teal geyser]

the Limsa Othard trip in the lorebook says moons anyway so...yeah

[exotic copper]

I can't even begin to believe that time span

[teal geyser]

headcanon what you want but in terms of hard lore it's a simpsons bubble of same year

[exotic copper]

Thats so dumb

[teal geyser]

Elrek could you imagine the amount of dialogue changes and timeline breaking they'd have to do unless they made everything mandatory at specific times?

[cinder badger]

Time must move very very slow in FFXIV https://youtu.be/T9GFyZ5LREQ

[exotic copper]

What do you mean?

[teal geyser]

There are a LOT of times when people will be like "oh yeah that thing from 10 years ago? Nasty stuff right?"

If they had a proper timeline

they'd need to rewrite that however many times depending on what year it is

and when you do that quest

[exotic copper]

Or you just do "about 10 years ago"

[teal geyser]

and then do that for every reference of time passing

[exotic copper]

or "a decade or so ago"

[untold gull]

i thought they'd have happened in a year

[teal geyser]

well, idk depends I guess, for bigger dates fine but if something happened a year ago it feels a bit weird to say "around a year ago" when they mean two but I get your point

[cinder badger]

If we were as fast as Quicksilver we'd be OP

[teal geyser]

but that's just problem 1

problem 2 is worse tbh

[shut burrow]

🧍

[exotic copper]

We already had a timeskip for everyone but WoL

since "time moves differently in the first"

[teal geyser]

timeline for stuff like....Warring Triad

Where it's optional

but you can go back at any time

aka in any year then

[solid roost]

wait how many ascians were there?

[cinder badger]

@exotic copper except those were just their souls not their bodies

[teal geyser]

and do it

[exotic copper]

anything optional should be thrown out the window for time

And they kept the memories

[teal geyser]

13

[exotic copper]

Which is at least mental age.

[untold gull]

didn't we sailed back and forth eorzea and doma?

[cinder badger]

Apparently ship travel between continents is like 2 hours

[teal geyser]

Yes and Y'shtola would need a boat to Doma too so let's say about 6 months give or take for that

[teal geyser]

lorebook says 2 months

[solid roost]

do they name them all or just fandaneil (im assuming ascian?) lahabrea emet slch and the other one?

[teal geyser]

by sail

[teal geyser]

We have names for all of them

hang on

[exotic copper]

14?

[teal geyser]

shh

[untold gull]

so i'm gonna go by roughly over a year

there's also the war effort

[cinder badger]

If it was 2 months we have to go there do the shit we did there and then go back we're already looking at close to half a year and that's just for stormblood

[solid roost]

haha I caught that.

[exotic copper]

Lythia is in the spoilers chat asking for spoilers so

They name some of them

[teal geyser]

Ascian names come from FFXII

[solid roost]

interesting

[teal geyser]

The only one NOT from that list

but are ascians

is uh

Elidibus which represents Zodiark

[shut burrow]

And Altima

[teal geyser]

and is a character from FFT who summons Zodiark

and Altima yeah

who appears in ARR

and is also a FFT reference

[shut burrow]

Altima rights!!!

[exotic copper]

i dun see azem there

[shut burrow]

Thogh they're probably dead

[teal geyser]

To be fair

Azem isn't an Ascian

so gottem

[exotic copper]

but he kind of is

[teal geyser]

no

He's an Ancient

not an Ascian

[exotic copper]

yeah but like

[teal geyser]

But what

:3

[shut burrow]

Azem Isn't a esper from FF12

[solid roost]

welll, the original ff story starts out like this:

[teal geyser]

Technically I was right originally when I said 13

[solid roost]

"2000 Years Ago:

An endless time loop begins when Garland, a knight from the present, enters into a deal with the four Fiends to become the demon king Chaos. He sends the Fiends 2000 years into the future to wreak havoc. When they are finally defeated in the present, he uses their power to become Chaos. The Light Warriors from the present finally travel back in time to the Temple of Fiends to vanquish Chaos and disrupt the time loop."

[teal geyser]

NO

DO NOT START THIS AGAIN

[untold gull]

we're not talking about originall FF ffs....

[solid roost]

so obviously its not

[teal geyser]

FF1 is a cursed topic now

[solid roost]

no you fool

[shut burrow]

Cid Garlond

[solid roost]

I'm saying I found proof it's prob not same

calm your tits for half a second and let people type things

[teal geyser]

Well we knew that already dummy, it was just you

[exotic copper]

lmao calf stilllll tilted

[solid roost]

I've always been talking about it

[exotic copper]

like on tilt from hours ago

[teal geyser]

PTSD

[solid roost]

Do they not have pot where y'all are from? damn.

[untold gull]

game is up. go finish msq

[teal geyser]

It's illegal

[floral aurora]

I want the full intro! XD

[exotic copper]

broooo how am i gonna get pot in covid

[solid roost]

I have too many web pages open to play the game. I need to finish cataloging them

[solid roost]

that never stopped anyone from doing anythign they really wanted

[teal geyser]

now is the time to get pot

[floral aurora]

Okay this channel is now ffxiv discussion 2

XD

[solid roost]

drones baby

[exotic copper]

but how

[solid roost]

drones

[teal geyser]

more like #archived-lore-spoilers 2

[untold gull]

^

[floral aurora]

Lmao

[exotic copper]

lore spoilers is too tame

[heady shadow]

wait

[exotic copper]

this is like, lore spoilers after dark

[heady shadow]

theres time travel in ff1/

???

[untold gull]

yep

[solid roost]

https://www.ffcompendium.com/h/ff1story.shtml

[exotic copper]

theres time travel in every awful rpg

[untold gull]

it's some convoluted non-sense. it's quite funny actually

[solid roost]

that site has the stories for every single ff game supposedyl

[teal geyser]

idk about that

[untold gull]

even funnier that they had a similar thing going on with dissidia with the WoL there

[shut burrow]

Twink boyfriend

[untold gull]

[exotic copper]

i mean

[floral aurora]

I want the whole shebang xD

[heady shadow]

yen getting called out

[exotic copper]

they're not wrong

[solid roost]

https://www.ffcompendium.com/h/story.shtml

[exotic copper]

i just want to take my catwife and our twins on a vacation

[teal geyser]

I should call myself out too then and even it

[floral aurora]

And the launch trailer (ingame one)

[solid roost]

ah that site only goes up to 12

[heady shadow]

didnt that all start because yen wanted to meme about vore?

[exotic copper]

when are they going to implement date-a-scion you think?

[floral aurora]

Never lol

[heady shadow]

thats what fanfiction is for

[floral aurora]

As much as I would like an option, I doubt it will ever happen

[exotic copper]

when ragnar or whatever that furballs name is tried to propose to my catwife

i was upset

[teal geyser]

They are in 6.0 https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/blog/000692.html

[floral aurora]

At most they will hint at it but that's about it

[exotic copper]

bro you tryna get me with april fools from 7 yrs ago?

[teal geyser]

Thought it might have worked if you were new

ngl

[heady shadow]

lol

[exotic copper]

i been around since you were in diapers

[solid roost]

Am I understanding this correctly the ascians we see in FFXIV were also from FF12?

[teal geyser]

weird flex but okay boomer

Go to bed old man

[exotic copper]

i was raiding molten core when you were wiping your nose

[teal geyser]

You need to learn what a reference is

[shut burrow]

The ascians we see in FFXIV is very different from the espers form FF12

FF12 Is a whole different universe from FFXIV

[untold gull]

go finish msq

[solid roost]

it's on an article listed esper (ff12)

[teal geyser]

yes

you need to learn what a reference is

[shut burrow]

Espers aren't Amaurotines

[exotic copper]

you see when i name my cat loki

[teal geyser]

The Crystal Tower from ff3 isn't LITERALLY the same tower as that in FFXIV

[exotic copper]

my cat is actually not a norse god

[shut burrow]

Omg I thought they were

#liedtoo

[untold gull]

i honestly don't think you have grounds to argue and discuss if you don't even know half the shit we talk about here. and that includes the eden raid. it's frustrating to argue about this if you don't even understand the shit

[teal geyser]

much like the ascians names are simply named after the FF12 scions of light

not literally the scions of light

[untold gull]

so pls, finish msq. it's awesome. then we can go argue with your theory

[solid roost]

I know what a reference is. I'm trying to understand the picture you linked which shows sciens of light and darkness. The light names are seem to be taken from ffxiv, the dark names look like they're from 12. If this is just a chart showing the opposition and alignment of each, that's one thing, but that is not clearly defined in the reference, Which, for good references, it is.

[teal geyser]

These espers existed before FFXIV

so they weren't taken from XIV

other way around

[solid roost]

stop assuming everything is trying to back my original speculation, I've already admitted that ff1 is prob not the first bcause the story is diff.

[exotic copper]

oh i see the confusion

[teal geyser]

FFXII had the scions of light and XIV took their names

[exotic copper]

scions of light and dark both exist in 12

and the ascians in 14 share naming schema with just the light from 12

[solid roost]

ok but why are ff15 names in an ff12 article, or is that just them compiling info and not labeling the article/table correctly?

[teal geyser]

Well when you went on about it for so long and were so adamant about it it's easy to assume you're going to try to tie it back

[teal geyser]

....ff15 names? You mean FF14 names right?

[solid roost]

ok so the names of the ascians are the same names as the sciends of light from 12 (NOT SAYING THEY ARE THE SAME PEOPLE)

[teal geyser]

Yes

it's a reference

[untold gull]

omg gshade is finally update

[teal geyser]

[solid roost]

i don't think you know what a reference is.

[exotic copper]

lmaooo

[solid roost]

That's an homage if anything.

[exotic copper]

oh no

[floral aurora]

Why am I see these okayish ff games and not the great ones like Ff4,6,7&8

[solid roost]

goddan

[floral aurora]

XD

[teal geyser]

halp

[solid roost]

THIS is a fucking reference: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Final-Fantasy

[exotic copper]

i refer to my better judgement

[shut burrow]

I am so confused at this debate

[floral aurora]

Same lol

[teal geyser]

I got some verbal whiplash

[floral aurora]

I just want more Sage hype in here!

[shut burrow]

insert yay sound effect from the corner of the crowd

[untold gull]

oh god, i forgot i was in gold saucer. well, time to see if the FATEs drop rate for memory has increased.

[exotic copper]

everyone who has been verbally punched in the face please re-orient yourselves

[shut burrow]

Jkjkjk I think Sage is pretty cool

[floral aurora]

I hope the new Gold Saucer content is Blitzball

Really liked that in FFX

And Sage needs primal Weapons from arr and hw

[exotic copper]

no

[floral aurora]

Same with Dancer

[exotic copper]

no

[floral aurora]

Yes

[exotic copper]

dont make them take up good dev time with weapons that no one wants

[teal geyser]

God I wish

[teal geyser]

Fuck you Ifrit and Ramuh weapons are cool

[floral aurora]

Ravana Dancer Weapon xD

[teal geyser]

!itemglam inferno katana

[lusty shadow]

**Inferno Katana** **:** Samurai's Arm

Images of glamour items by Gamer Escape.

[exotic copper]

when was the last time you glammed titan, garuda, or levi weapons

[teal geyser]

look at this shit

loks amazing

[teal geyser]

I STILL use this sword

oh those 3

uhh

[exotic copper]

when was the last time you glammed knights of the round

[floral aurora]

Idk why is it so hard for them to add it in

[teal geyser]

ngl I don't

[solid roost]

It's interesting that the scions of light and the ascians have the exact same names and that they wouldn't make those characters (which seem to exist outside of the ff single game world) consistent/related. Because for other things like gulag Gulg you could maybe say they're diff but the ascian names don't seem to be changed at all.

But again, I recognize there is nothing concrete to the idea that some ff games are shards of source like ff14.

If there's a better forum to ask this shit please point me there.

[teal geyser]

but still gimme Ifrit weaps

[teal geyser]

Still have it on Paladin actually

[exotic copper]

I think the problem you're going to find Lythia is that ff fans tend to not be accepting of the idea of connected multiverse theory

Because it sucks

[shut burrow]

I-

[solid roost]

it's not exclusive to ff fans. That's human behavior.

[exotic copper]

Nah, tons of people like Dr. Who and shit

[solid roost]

Idk I think it's cool if it's done right

[untold gull]

i like the idea tbh. but each FF is essentially just a spiritual successor to the previous ones

[teal geyser]

Oh trust me they use scions of light names and they draw related things from that fact in XIV

[solid roost]

I like what Stephen King did so much he's my fave author.

And I used to hate him

[pine epoch]

Inb4 the new gold saucer mode is a rhythm game or FF14 Tactics

[teal geyser]

I'm on/off

[exotic copper]

I hate the idea of it in my FF. I would prefer they just said "we will never make two numbered games related"

because they made the first like four that way

[teal geyser]

shush you

[solid roost]

don't give them ideas, yoshi p reads this

[shut burrow]

I can'ttt

[pine epoch]

What if I'm yoshi p

[solid roost]

but it would be the ultimate FINAL fantasy!

[shut burrow]

Omg

[exotic copper]

And I think Legend of Zelda tried it and it sucked

[shut burrow]

Hi Yoshi P!??!!?

[pine epoch]

Ever took a moment to think about that

[teal geyser]

I don't mind them making connected games so long as that's like, intended and you leave other games out of it

[exotic copper]

Numbered sequels I'm down

Like 13-1-2-3

10-2

[teal geyser]

Ivalice games are fine in this regard too Elrek

[shut burrow]

I mean

I don't even know what too say 😭

[exotic copper]

but I would prefer since the schema has been established as is with no links

[solid roost]

It just struck me that that is a neat way to end the ff story but also leave it open? idk.

[shut burrow]

FF100

[teal geyser]

"the ff story"

[exotic copper]

there is no ff story

and i like it that way

[shut burrow]

You can never end the FF story

[solid roost]

I tried to talk to my dad about th game and he didn't understand it at all. he's like how can there be 15 of them? It's final.

[shut burrow]

I mean

[solid roost]

to him it's like
The End

The End 2: the return

and so on

[exotic copper]

Ask him why Ford owners don't just get in high speed chases

[shut burrow]

Doma takes it's name from a city in like FFVI

[exotic copper]

they have "escape"s

[shut burrow]

But... FFXIV's Doma is extremely different

[teal geyser]

https://youtu.be/8RveXjEnRPs?t=103

[solid roost]

don't get me started Venus

[crude rover]

The original was named as such because it was essentially a hail Mary

[exotic copper]

full of grace

get this shit

out of my face

[crude rover]

Then it was incredibly successful.. and here we are

[glossy vale]

The End 13: The Return: The Comeback: The Reckoning

[exotic copper]

fuck its so late its early

new people have arrived

[shut burrow]

The End 14: The Return: The Comback: The Reckoning: The Ultimate

[pine epoch]

On a more serious note. Blitzball and FF14 themed theatrhythem are 2 things the devs have actually dabbled in to see what's possible. Blitzball being bottlenecked by the devs unsure what would be better. Being more faithful to FFX and directly base and make it on that. Or make it a PvP mode with players battling eachother. Rythem game they have the technology we got 3 rythem game songs. All it would take is for a big push to make a full in game system for a mini game. then we get yakuza karaoke and get thancred singing baka mitai

[solid roost]

well I'd better bounce before this turns into another neverending 2,000 year cycle

[exotic copper]

go do msq

finish the book

[untold gull]

yo

YO

[shut burrow]

Now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111!1!!11

[untold gull]

the memory drop significantly increased in FATEs

fuck void ark, i'ma go grind

[solid roost]

yaya. thanks for not being a complete ass and putting up with me. If it wasn't maintenance and i didn't have ffxiv on the brain I prob wouldn't have tried speculating, but it is what it is.

At least I learned a bunch.

[exotic copper]

i was definitely a complete ass but have a good one lmao

[solid roost]

I mean, I had fun too.

[pine epoch]

Sadly joon gi han doesn't have a karaoke song in Y7. Or else we would have thancred singing a song. Because japanese thancred is the voice of Joon gi Han.

[solid roost]

maybe but you weren't as mean as I imagine you could be so thanks.

[glossy vale]

My God...

[exotic copper]

I mean... I dont have a witty comeback for being nice. So, you've won this battle. Have a good one lol

[glossy vale]

To be fair
In Yakuza 7
Joon-Gi Han was, for the most part brooding and quiet for the most part

[pine epoch]

Atleast hes with the boys in hell stew

In their Kiss cosplay

[glossy vale]

Hope is not lost
Hopefully Joon Gi Han gets his own karaoke special in Yakuza 8: Like a Dragoon

[pine epoch]

But ya whenever you hear joon gi just remember. Thancred is with you.

[glossy vale]

It gets worse the more I think about it...

In terms of similarities, of course

[gaunt star]

Endwalker trailer shoes have been modded in

[teal geyser]

ngl I kinda want a mod for the PLD AF shoes

[untold gull]

wrong orientation on the words

[teal geyser]

and just the PLD AF shoes

[untold gull]

should be mirrored

[fluid basalt]

font should be smaller too...

[teal geyser]

Alright now you are just being mean

[untold gull]

So, i'm still calling it: Fandaniel's true would probably be something like Prometheus. If they name him Ares, I'm gonna riot.

Also, some twisted, out of this world theory i have - if it's just like in ffx, anima could be the twins' mom

[gaunt star]

He’s Leo, if anything he’s appollo

[distant sonnet]

Wouldn't Azem be better for Prometheus?

I mean it could be Apollo instead, but.

[untold gull]

I forgot about his sign and yeah, i guess Azem would be better as Prometheus

[distant sonnet]

Fandaniel is harder to call without knowing more about what he uniquely does, but. For whatever reason my mind goes Hermes.

[teal geyser]

Mmmm nah

[untold gull]

Dammit

[teal geyser]

If it's any main characters mom It'd be Zenos honestly

Feels like the better fit

And more in line with the original Anima

[untold gull]

... I forgot about rhe woman that spawned him

But that does makes sense

[shut burrow]

Would Prometheus really fit Azem?

[untold gull]

Maybe, finally, we'll find some meaning into his utter boredom

[teal geyser]

In a sense yes Venus

[shut burrow]

Personally I see Elidibus as Prometheus more then Azem

[teal geyser]

Prometheus went against the titans and helped humanity live and stuff

Giving them fire

And yadda yadda

If Azem isn't Prometheus then I think it should be Lahabrea for the sake that he makes a lot of constructs

[shut burrow]

I mean It could go both ways?

[teal geyser]

And also associated with fire

[shut burrow]

Prometheus fits alot of the Convocation of the FOURTEEN

[teal geyser]

Do they thoughhhhh

Who went against their brethren to help a lesser people?

[shut burrow]

Venat?

But Venat wasn't apart of the Convocation

[teal geyser]

She ain't yeah

I genuinely think titles are exclusive to the convocation too anyway so Venat imo is her actual name

[kind lark]

Icarus?

[shut burrow]

Venat could be her real name

Hmm

Or Amaurotines could have had title names outside of the convocation maybe?

[teal geyser]

Higher up people outside convocation maybe which I assume Venat would count as seeing as she is looked up to

[shut burrow]

That would make sense

[teal geyser]

But like...not everyone would get a title that'd be absurd

[shut burrow]

True 😭

When Fandaniel was first revealed I actually thought him to be a reincarnated Amaurotine from the Hydaelyn Branch

Like Venat or smth

[untold gull]

Oh wait, isn't lahabrea - okay, wiki did say that he's a got a thing for making fire spirits

[teal geyser]

I miss the "Hyth sus, it's him" theory

[shut burrow]

Hyth kinda sus

[balmy mesa]

he's an impostor

vote him out

[shut burrow]

But turns out he's actually a cute cinnamon roll

[untold gull]

Well, who is a fragment of hythlodaeus

[teal geyser]

Who cares

[balmy mesa]

wouldn't surprise me if it was krile or something

or

oh shit

[kind lark]

Me

[balmy mesa]

tataru

[teal geyser]

Not every important NPC needs to have an important ancient soul

[untold gull]

Cat boy? Or y'shtola?

[teal geyser]

Seriously fuck that shit so hard

[shut burrow]

Tataru was the villain all along

[untold gull]

Das tru i guess

[shut burrow]

[kind lark]

Zenos is the fragment of Emet's bird

[shut burrow]

Turns out Zenos is Hythlo

[spare warren]

[shut burrow]

😖

[floral aurora]

Zenos is Golbez

I'm calling it

[shut burrow]

Zenos

If you flip it around Sonez

[kind lark]

Zenos is the friends we made along the way

[floral aurora]

He will help us later thinking hes a friend
And our character will have a shocked expression

[spare warren]

Zenos is Kingdom Hearts

[shut burrow]

Can't wait to punt him across the room

[untold gull]

Oh man, if zenos is hythlodaeus, they better have an npc of him available for us to talk to

[floral aurora]

Oh we will fight him but he will help us against the true evil Villian of the story

[teal geyser]

...why?

It wouldn't change him

[untold gull]

I have so many questions

[shut burrow]

It would be scary If it actually turns out Hythlo became Zenos

[untold gull]

Also, because i really just want an npc of him

The more i think about it, the more i think it's possible

[shut burrow]

Omgg

I don't want it to be true

[kind lark]

Zenos is the mentor that leaves after one wipe

[shut burrow]

NOOOO 😭😭😭

[balmy mesa]

he's in charge of the burger king empire

[teal geyser]

I think Zenos being Hyth would be the most annoying, predictable thing they could do

And they can and should do better

[shut burrow]

What if he is actually VENAT

BOOOMM

[floral aurora]

Zenos not being the big bad will make me happy

[untold gull]

Like elidibus, venat is inside hydaelyn

[pure thorn]

Zenos being Zodiark makes more sense than Hyth

[floral aurora]

I hope they don't do the obvious thing

[teal geyser]

That'd be more interesting but also sounds a little "wtf this is bullshit"

[shut burrow]

I'm jokingggg

[teal geyser]

"HyDAelYn BAd"

[pure thorn]

I wonder where is Hyth

[shut burrow]

Hydaelyn isn't bad

Zodiark isn't bad either- It's just his ascians lackeys doing the bad stuff

[balmy mesa]

if it's going to be an obvious twist, they could get M Night Sharlayan to write it

[teal geyser]

Probably dead, would complete the KH friendship triangle

[floral aurora]

I honestly don't know how they will get rid of Hyda if she's not bad. My guess is she sacrifices herself

[shut burrow]

Turns out Hythlodaeus was Kairi all along

[pure thorn]

I mean hyd and zod fight each other and take each other out

[teal geyser]

That'd be my guess too but I wonder if even then they'll do something that keeps her around in a more limited role

[kind lark]

Zenos is the dad they went out for a packet of smokes and never came back

[pure thorn]

Sounds like a probable outcome to me

[pure thorn]

Guess this runs in the garlean royal family

[untold gull]

What if the logo showed the planet and not the moon. That's one way to get rid of hydaelyn

[teal geyser]

Zenos is the dad they went out for a packet of smokes and caused a domestic terrorist attack and knifed everyone

[shut burrow]

What if Hythlo sacrificed himself to become Hydaelyn and disguised as Venat

Hehehehehhe

[teal geyser]

That...isn't terrible but Venat gender is different

[shut burrow]

Umh

[floral aurora]

I honestly am okay if she's a cameo character in the future. Sort of how the Old Dragon is (forgot the name, one in love with Shiva)

[pure thorn]

They have gender?

[teal geyser]

Of course they do

[shut burrow]

Have you seen some cross dressers like literally

[untold gull]

Isn't venat female?

At least i recall them calling venat by female pronoun

[teal geyser]

I don't doubt he could dress like a woman and even pass off as a woman but...why?

[pure thorn]

I mean it depends, if you play female WoL it probably less obvious

[balmy mesa]

probably like dragons, where they have their preferred gender

[shut burrow]

Again I'm just doing joke theories

But like Idk

Anything could happen

[teal geyser]

?

[teal geyser]

I doubt it

I see no reason why they won't have gender

[floral aurora]

Wait what?

And just so you know Midgarsormr is a piccolo Dragon

[balmy mesa]

their role is genderless, we know that much, but individual Ancients have a gender

[teal geyser]

They may be powerful nigh immortal ancients but they are still ultimately human and not alien

[shut burrow]

Oh god I actually caused a discussion

[balmy mesa]

congrats

would you like a medal?

[shut burrow]

No 😭

[pure thorn]

If you play male WoL and they address Venat as a she it’s more obvious that Venat is not male. But if you play female WoL some people think it’s the same gender with the WoL. Like how it was with Azem and their pronounce change with your WoL gender

[teal geyser]

If they think that they are stupid since they also mention Azem pretty obviously before anyway

[floral aurora]

I honestly forgot some of the dragon lore, but aren't dragons that are not Midgarsormr's children actually humans transformed or something?

[teal geyser]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[teal geyser]

Ishgardians can turn into dragons by ingesting ritually prepared dragon's blood yes

[pure thorn]

But I don’t remember much about the specific gender of Venat beside just who he/she was

[floral aurora]

Oh good, at least I didn't forget that fact xD

[pure thorn]

I don’t remember them calling Venat a she or a he, just Venat. But then again I don’t really see why that matter since Venat is the heart of Hydealyn and that’s it

[teal geyser]

Depending on just who you are and how much control you got can determine if it's permanent or temporary or really just how under control you got the dragon in you in check

[teal geyser]

Other languages are great

I know French refers to her as she

If you listen to Venat her voice is more feminine anyway

[floral aurora]

What about Shinryu? Is that Dragon or just something that resembles a dragon?

[pure thorn]

Well I mean I wouldn’t know cuz I don’t understand the languages

[teal geyser]

Primal so the latter

[balmy mesa]

speaking of the french, wonder if they'll accidentally let slip key details in 5.5 in their translated script?

[floral aurora]

Thank you, was a little confused on that one

[teal geyser]

"accidentally"

[pure thorn]

Depends

[teal geyser]

THOUGH

Mario

The name froms from a Doman tale

Which is generally believed to be about Middy

[pure thorn]

Some words and meaning cannot be translate so maybe it was unavoidable?

[teal geyser]

So hey

[floral aurora]

So maybe a Dragon as old as Midgarsormr?

[teal geyser]

If you wanna know genders French is great

Gotta love gendered words

[pure thorn]

Again I don’t speak or understand french lol

[floral aurora]

Because I would like to believe there were dragons besides Midgarsormr back in the day

[teal geyser]

No

[pure thorn]

As far as we know there were, just not in Hydaelyn

[teal geyser]

Dragons literally came from another planet

[pure thorn]

But in their home planet called dragon star

[teal geyser]

Yeah

So Middy would be the first honestly

[floral aurora]

But some say he was as super big back in the day, like the size of a country

[pure thorn]

Middy just survive their version of apocalypse and bring with him the eggs to Hydealyn I think?

[teal geyser]

Bit of an exaggeration but he is fucking big

looks at Keeper of the Lake

[pure thorn]

I’d say the size of the city maybe

But not a country lol

[teal geyser]

Yes, that apocalypse being Omega's people

[floral aurora]

Basically people tell me he makes Bahamut look like an ant if you compare the two

[pure thorn]

Well

[floral aurora]

That true?

[pure thorn]

Bahamut is his kid

[teal geyser]

I mean....Yeah okay sure

You make a good point

[pure thorn]

But I don’t know, gotta put them together

[shut burrow]

Wait Omega's People?

[teal geyser]

Yes

[shut burrow]

I thought it was just Omega omgg

[teal geyser]

Omega had creators

[floral aurora]

And Midgarsormr basically could beat Omega if he was in his prime right?

[pure thorn]

Well

[shut burrow]

Sorry I'm really bad at remembering things 😭

[pure thorn]

I mean

[teal geyser]

As far as we know only Omega attacked the planet but that's like blaming the gun for a mass shooting

[pure thorn]

They were equal

[balmy mesa]

keeper of the lake hard mode, hmm 🤔

[pure thorn]

Hence he sacrifice himself to take omega weapon down with him

[floral aurora]

I hope he comes back somehow

[pure thorn]

But they both got reactivate and resurrected after

[teal geyser]

"sacrificed himself"

[floral aurora]

Never liked that

[pure thorn]

So again they are once more on equal power

[teal geyser]

Middy?

[pure thorn]

Both died and both got resurrected

[floral aurora]

Yes

[teal geyser]

Read short story

[floral aurora]

I mean he was dead before right?

And came back

[teal geyser]

What is being dead in this world?

[floral aurora]

Lol

Lahabrea

XD

Hope to finish him

[shut burrow]

Lahabrea is probably goign to somehow revive himself in Pandaemonium

[floral aurora]

I so want him back, so its WoL that finishes him

Damn Thordan

[shut burrow]

Thordan is gross

[floral aurora]

The only Villian we know is 100% dead is Nidhogg

[shut burrow]

R.I.P Nidhogg 🙏

[floral aurora]

So many other villians could come back

[shut burrow]

Is Lahabrea even considered dead?

Or is absorption into sword considered dying

[balmy mesa]

I think we'll find out with the Pandemonium raid series

[shut burrow]

Yeah but like It's fun to theorize

[floral aurora]

Can't wait

[teal geyser]

Yes

[floral aurora]

Going to get my ARR/HW closure

[shut burrow]

I feel like Lahabrea died before they knew what they were doing with the Ascians

Or maybe they knew from the beginning Idk

[floral aurora]

I honestly wonder did the writer wishes they wrapped up the Empire arc sooner

Because ever since Shadowbringers I honestly was more interested in the Ancients story

I was more like "Oh the Empire is still around..."

[shut burrow]

I liked the plotline with the Empire

But then I again I am that 1% of people who actually enjoyed Stormblood

[floral aurora]

And from the looks of it, its a dead city. Which kind of sucks when we finally go there lol

[floral aurora]

I'm the 1% who actually liked Zenos in SB

[shut burrow]

Garlemald restoration

[floral aurora]

I still think 4.0 was better than 3.0 but as far as an expansion. I think they are tied

[shut burrow]

We can both relate as 1%s 🥰

[floral aurora]

[shut burrow]

I loved the story in Shadowbringers

I am also the 1% who enjoyed the story in ARR aswell 😭

[floral aurora]

See when it comes to arr

Im mixed

Some parts are good but some parts make me wanna say "are we there yet?"

[shut burrow]

Don't get me wrong I hated the fetchquests

SAME 😭

[floral aurora]

Some say its still kind of bad after they took out some stuff in 5.3

[shut burrow]

Atleast It's not as bad

[floral aurora]

And its good that HW is tied to the free trial

[shut burrow]

Heavensward ngl one of the best expansions ever

[floral aurora]

Basically if you aren't sold on HW, then idk

[shut burrow]

I love Heavensward so much

It made me cry like 10 times

[floral aurora]

The Vault...

First feel scene for me

[shut burrow]

Omgggg

It made me bawl

[floral aurora]

Nothing in ARR really gave me feels

[shut burrow]

Moenbrydha gave me the feels

[floral aurora]

I was shocked they got our boy in HW, since he was a cool dude

[teal geyser]

That's not a 100% thing, people are just so hyperbolic they make it seem like it is so people hate it before they even start it

[shut burrow]

IKR It didn't even feel long to be when I was playing it back in 2019

Except for the Titan questline

[teal geyser]

Weird way to say corrupt crystal questline

[shut burrow]

Tries to remember

[floral aurora]

For me ARR and HW was a long ride since I was so new to the MMO experience

[shut burrow]

I think I might've blocked it out of my mind

[teal geyser]

Pre Garuda post Coerthas

[shut burrow]

Still cannot remember

[floral aurora]

Maybe it would've been faster if i played alot of mmos before

[teal geyser]

Part of it involved Isle of Umbra and burning wall

[shut burrow]

I'm pretty sure FFXIV was my first MMO aswell

OH

WAIT I KIND'VE REMEMBER IT

[floral aurora]

Awesome!

Just sucks I had some bad FC experiences as a newbie lol

[teal geyser]

Same and I did every side unlock in ARR before HW and it was fine and fun

[floral aurora]

And Savage was not my jam

[kind lark]

Zenos is one of the aliens that created Omega

[cinder badger]

So if it's the Isle of Umbra

[floral aurora]

Savage is now more casual friendly

[cinder badger]

Does that make it light?

[shut burrow]

Savages sound hard

[floral aurora]

Is that why that place looks like something from the alien movies in the trailer?

[kind lark]

Fandaniel's room and the dungeon? Yeah looks very HR Giger

[floral aurora]

Savage was awful back in the day imo before Creator. I honestly felt the difficulty was annoyingly hard instead of it being a fun challenge

[floral aurora]

I didn't know what that was in the trialer, just looked like something out of an alien movie. Like the hive

[teal geyser]

No?

[balmy mesa]

excuse me, it's his BDSM dungeon

[floral aurora]

Lol

[cinder badger]

@teal geyser but umbral is light and astral is Darkness remember?

[balmy mesa]

also order/chaos is a metric I think?

[kind lark]

He must pratice his dancing in there

[teal geyser]

Yeah but this is umbra and I think you have to think of it in the more normal definition

[cinder badger]

I don't even think they know the definition anymore

[teal geyser]

I mean...I think it's fine

[cinder badger]

Just saying the umbral is light and astral as Darkness [ insert Inigo Montoya Meme here]

[balmy mesa]

if we're extrapolating from ShB's lore dump, the everlasting light on the First was umbral-aspected, but it had nothing to do with light and darkness

[teal geyser]

Source scholars and stuff noticed the uh, polarities elements can take

[balmy mesa]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/cpg7vp/spoilers_still_a_little_foggy_on_astralumbral_and/

[teal geyser]

they see activity and stagnation

[balmy mesa]

someone asked this question a year ago lol

not sure how it all works tho

[teal geyser]

they probably at this time already have this premade notion that calamity = stagnation = bad as a single example

so stagnation polarity?

Clearly a dark thing

umbral

[balmy mesa]

but umbral isn't necessarily dark

[shut burrow]

Isn't the Astral and Umbral polarities reversed in the First

Astral Darkness and Umbral Light or smth

[teal geyser]

I think you're thinking about it the wrong way

[balmy mesa]

I think it's more along the line of order vs. chaos

[teal geyser]

The definition of umbral/umbra is that of darkness

[teal geyser]

It's not that the polarities are switched, it's just on the source the, and I'm going to use my own take here, assumption was that stagnant polarity was darkness because of preconceived bias

[balmy mesa]

aaahhhh it's giving me a headache

[teal geyser]

I'll be honest my headcanon I gave is far from official H3ndofry but I think it pretty accurately and happily explains literally everything

[balmy mesa]

could cultural differences be coming into play, here?

[teal geyser]

Yeah