shadowbringers was literally u being a villain tho
#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
gaunt star
gaunt star
so what ure saying is u want an FFXIV thats rated Mature
royal spruce
What if the Real Enemy of 6.0 is going to be the moon and it's going to crash down onto the planet
unborn lantern
i wanted to slap emetselch ghost
royal spruce
Will have 3 days to stop it
gaunt star
what if we merge with zodiark instead of hydaelyn
unborn lantern
owo
gaunt star
uno reverse cardo
cinder badger
Trying to get the level 60 at least before break
cinder badger
gaunt star
gaunt star
errant coral
New job.
cinder badger
royal spruce
Wouldn't it be cool if the End Game Hub for this expansion is going to be on a spaceship or something
primal sundial
you know during Stormblood the part where you board the ship for Kugane and they show you and the scions on the ship, traveling through the ocean
I hope we get something like that, but on the spaceship
gaunt star
The end game hub was already confirmed to be thavnair
royal spruce
Space combat PVP mode in 6.0?
lime estuary
I feel like the two hubs this expansion are gonna be Thavnair and Sharlayan
If only because Sage is almost definitely a Sharlayan job
royal spruce
I really hope the end-game hob is not a eulmore 2.0
hub*
I want more of a idyllshire
kind lark
The guesses have been sharlayan and a city in the moon
lime estuary
Well we already know one of the hubs
Radz-at-Han
Which is the Eulmore of Endwalker
and likely the end game hub
royal spruce
Doesn't mean it's going to be the end game hub though
lime estuary
Cause typically the smaller town is the end game hub
because it has to have all the tomestone vendors and shit in close proximity
its why Eulmore is designed how it is
where everything is close
lime estuary
It definitely wont be
gaunt star
so we can do garlemald restoration in 7.0
kind lark
I like the look of radz at han
gaunt star
im obviously trolling and its obvious thavnair eulmore is the endgame hub
royal spruce
And that's exactly why I hate it everything's too close to each other with eulmore you can't Mount up in there and you're all stuck on a small top floor I don't like that and I hope we don't get that again
lime estuary
I love it
from a functional standpoint
its WAY better than Rhalgr and Idyll
From an exploratory or uh
royal spruce
no
gaunt star
I do wish we could have explored more of Eulmore though
royal spruce
its not
royal spruce
Going to have to disagree Hadley
lime estuary
10 steps from the aetheryte
royal spruce
Big time
lime estuary
its literally a fact
you cant even argue against it
Its a quantifiable fact
that everything is closer to the aetheryte and thus easier to access
royal spruce
That's true doesn't mean it's better though overall
royal spruce
Yes being crammed into one small space for everyone lags is certainly an interesting experience
unique verge
imagine lagging
lime estuary
A: Literally have never lagged
B: If you are, thats your problem
not the zones
And like I said before, aesthetically I prefer places like Rhalgr or Idyllshire
Cause I like the extra room to explore
BUT when it comes to function, Eulmore is the best.
I kinda hope Radz ends up being a mix between the two
lime estuary
Make sure everything we need is close to the aetheryte, BUT give us extra room beyond that to explore and whatnot
cinder badger
What's the general feeling of the players on Aether
Knowing that data center travel is going to be a thing
lime estuary
Realistically not much is going to change.
The initial release will see massive traffic, but give it a couple months and people will revert back to their homeworlds as per usual
The main worry is stuff like hunt trains
those are pretty much fucked
cinder badger
But it's the fact that people talk shit about Crystal
lime estuary
I mean it's a self fulfilling prophecy
People talk shit about Crystal cause... what? They have a large number of casual players and RPers?
lime estuary
That's complete bullshit.
There are fuckwits on every server. Period.
As for raiding, again its a self fulfilling prophecy
dawn wave
not this again
lime estuary
If every serious raiding group goes to Aether, then yeah no shit it's going to be statistically better
but who gives a fuck?
If you're the kind of person who really thinks it matters, you're trash
Its means nothing
You can find good players on any world
unique verge
Sure, keep telling yourself that
lime estuary
Any server
Period.
God. One of those people.
Here's the truth folks, it means nothing.
Play on whatever world you want.
unique verge
Crystal has a significantly worse rate of success among people who are actually trying to do Savage
Not less people doing it
Less success by the ones who are
lime estuary
And, again
unique verge
Its not an anomaly
lime estuary
It's a self fulfilling prophecy
Do you understand what that means?
It means when everyone says you have to go to Aether to be a raider, or Primal, or literally anywhere but Crystal, they listen
And so what happens?
Statistically, it makes it appear that Primal and Aether are just better
lime estuary
You could also argue that NA players are trash if you compare them to Japanese players
Statistics show thats true as well
But it means nothing
For the individual player, it means literally nothing.
You have no reason to care.
Because no matter what you want to do in the game, you will find people to do it with you no matter what server you're on.
That was my entire point. People who talk shit about Crystal are literally fuckwits. Idiots. Morons. They don't understand why any of this is the way that it is, because they look at the most basic of numbers and go 'hurrdurr 5 is bigger than 1' without actually looking deeper into it.
unique verge
Actually, i have
lime estuary
It's why I dont talk shit about Aether, or Primal, or fuckin any of the servers.
Cause it means nothing
unique verge
and your statements dont change the numbers
lime estuary
Ok here
Let me simplify this for you
So you understand
Lets say there are 3 servers
A, B, and C
unique verge
Among those on Aether and Primal who have cleared at least one wing of savage, 50%+ go on to full clear.
On Crystal, that same rate is 39%.
You cannot tell me that doesnt matter
lime estuary
There are no hard designations for what these servers are meant for, but the community decides to create a made up designation that server A is the raid server, and server B is the RP server
What happens?
New players who want to focus on raiding? They listen.
they go to A
Those who want RP? They go to B
lime estuary
Those who dont care? They just go where their friends are, or if they have none, they just choose the world that sounds the best to them
You're not understanding how this works
Im not talking about numbers either
Im talking about the people who take it more seriously
As in, those more likely to succeed
They tend to congregate
So yea, the numbers are going to inflate
unique verge
Then, you're saying that those who are more likely to succeed are located not on Crystal
Just like i said
lime estuary
🙄
You know, you all hear the stories
Aether is full of fuckwits, Crystal players all suck at the game, Primal are degenerates and spillovers from Aether
None of it matters
Cause you cant make broad strokes like that.
I guarantee you that literally the majority of players could beat Savage if they actually cared enough to do it
Why do you think Japan has a higher rate of success?
It has nothing to do with them being 'naturally better'
They culturally care more about completing the game content.
Whereas NA players do not
IF they did though, the success rate would be higher across the board.
Either way, my ultimate point is that it doesn't matter what server you're on. Whatever content you want to do? You can find a group. Talking shit about other servers on the SAME GAME that you play is so contrary to the whole point of the game that it's almost pathetic. Just recognise that there are good and bad people on every fucking world.
rough kestrel
I think you overestimate the ability of the average player.
lime estuary
I don't believe that at all.
The 'ability' is there.
But the desire?
Depends.
Savage is not difficult. It's not some insurmountable challenge
It's a puzzle, one of repetition more often than not
You can literally learn every single fight until you beat it. You can learn your rotation.
rough kestrel
Physically speaking, no it's not. However mentally, people don't like pressing buttons and dont like learning mechanics
lime estuary
Do those two things? Tuh duh you win
rough kestrel
They cannot do it.
lime estuary
Id argue they physically can.
They just dont want to
These people dont have like
weak fingers
or something
they dont all have ADHD
The average player can beat Savage just fine
IF they have the time
and the desire
dawn wave
this whole thing just boils down to: the players make the datacenter, not the other way round.
ppl who want to raid join servers they hear are good for raiding
ppl who want to be casual and rp sometimes join servers that’ll cater to them
rough kestrel
^
dawn wave
a good player doesn’t join crystal and instantly becomes shit
lime estuary
Oh for sure, I wouldnt argue against that
rough kestrel
Crystal has it's reputation because the people there aren't raiders
lime estuary
Thats another broad statement
cinder badger
But imagine if some players from each side cross over to the other
rough kestrel
I think hiccup has a language barrier of some sort.
lime estuary
🙄
unique verge
Its not about "do they have them"
lime estuary
Im Australian, not Eastern European
cinder badger
What makes them lower-quality
rough kestrel
You could say there's a hiccup in the discussion and it isn't worth having.
gaunt star
I've always heard it was that crystal had a lower quantity, not quality
unique verge
Reposting again....
lime estuary
Crystal has a lower quantity by far
But absolutely does still have people who beat the fights no problem
rough kestrel
If you're an Aussie then why do you have such a silly perspective, when people say the average player cant beat savage, they mean they cant beat savage because they will never have the mentality that allows them to.
unique verge
This is what i posted above :
Among those on Aether and Primal who have cleared at least one wing of savage, 50%+ go on to full clear.
On Crystal, that same rate is 39%.
You cannot tell me that doesnt matter
cinder badger
But again that could be attributed to quantity
lime estuary
It doesnt matter
gaunt star
it can
primal sundial
insulting the person who's talking
lime estuary
Why do you think it matters?
primal sundial
"hurr durr ur stupid and have language barriers I have a BIG DICK and I'm a HIGH QUALITY RAIDER"
shut up lol
gaunt star
and then have no interest in going further
unique verge
I've yet to have my main point refuted. If you're trying to assemble a successful raid team, you are more likely to do so on not-Crystal.
lime estuary
Because why does it matter?
royal scroll
I think we need to move the conversation to something else if we are devolving to insults
lime estuary
Are you saying its impossible to find a solid raid group on Crystal? Cause I can tell you its not hard at all
rough kestrel
Fair point, why is this even here.
gaunt star
well yeah having more raiders would make it easier to get a group
unique verge
Hiccup dont play innocent, you've been throwing personal attacks at me since you started this topic.
royal scroll
To be fair hiccup you were pretty insulting prior
gaunt star
hi sylus 
rough kestrel
A "silly perspective" is a low bar for insults.
lime estuary
Mmmno
I wasn't insulting Balmerick at all
Well
Unless he's admitting to being one of those people
In which case
Yes, yes I was.
And Im proud of it.
royal scroll
This is honestly a silly argument over a question someone asked
Let's move on please
royal scroll
No one is going to change minds here
lime estuary
Clearly.
lime estuary
Literally the entire point of an MMO is for community, but instead yall just want to put down other people.
BUT YES, anyway
cinder badger
This whole conversation all started from a 6.0 feature that's coming
lime estuary
DC travel, yes.
Initial days will be a clusterfuck on some worlds
But give it like
2 weeks
onyx sundial
!wl @onyx sundial
lusty shadowBOT
cinder badger
Is that a pun
onyx sundial
both a pun and truth
lime estuary
I was gonna mention it earlier, but the reason Im almost certain the end game hub wont be the moon or anything in Garlemald is because, at least judging by the last few expansions, we almost always visit the LARGE hub first and usually pretty early on
Radz is confirmed to be the small hub, which means its likely the end-game hub
Which means the large hub has to be something else, and something we visit BEFORE Radz
Which makes me think Sharlayan
Moon wont be an early zone
unique verge
I suspect the moon will be earlier than you think.
iron scaffold
Which means the large hub has to be something else, and something we visit BEFOR...
explain Rhalgr reach
dawn wave
stormblood doesn’t exist
subtle pasture
well SB and ShB gave both early but Eulmore was gated til later
subtle pasture
point still stands with Idyll though
cinder badger
Also the reach had that phase in the Middle where everything was destroyed
unique verge
Given that Zenos on his tower in the trailer is implied to be gazing the moon, adn we're implied to be gazing back, so to speak
subtle pasture
clearly that's from 5.5
unique verge
I think its safe to guess that the moon wont be Endwalker's version of Tempest
subtle pasture
like WoL vs Zenos at Ghimlyt 
lime estuary
Moon wont be that, no.
There'll be something else
There's always a surprise
Im guessing there's something inside the Moon maybe
an interior zone
dawn wave
heh
unique verge
Not really
lime estuary
Moonbase probably wont be a thing
subtle pasture
I'd rather not have our city hub be Azys Lla 2.0
lime estuary
It's pretty clear that an Allagan space ship IS involved in the story
its on the logo
cinder badger
Also things are going to be done slightly different from the previous expansions because the end of this entire arc is going to be done in one patch. All the patches after that are going to build up into a new story
sonic crystal
I have a headache reading this...
lime estuary
I expect things to differ in some places yeah
subtle pasture
I'm not doubting Allagans had a Moonbase 'm doubting it'd be a thriving city in 6.0
lime estuary
But I dont think the hubs will be all that different
I still think best guess is Sharlayan and Radz
cinder badger
Crystal Palace :D
sonic crystal
I just want my Sage...
lime estuary
because the NEXT expansion will probably want to take us to places we know nothing about
Or very little
kind lark
We're going to hell in 6.0
unique verge
nah
subtle pasture
Yep, the 8man
unique verge
That's 6.1
loud quartz
I mean. Our worlds on fire, how bout yours? We gotta pack up and we going to the MOON 🚀🚀
subtle pasture
no that's Savage, 6.01
unique verge
Oh right, whatever it is
subtle pasture
launch, 2 weeks, Panda normal, 2 weeks, Panda savage
if I remember the formula right
lime estuary
Sounds about right
unique verge
Yeah its never "on launch"
lime estuary
Its def after launch for savage, I know that much
sonic crystal
So, what do you think the new melee dps will be?
subtle pasture
Pandaemonium will be our first "story" set post-6.0
dawn wave
no idea
lime estuary
Powerpuff Girl
subtle pasture
but before the "new arcs" of 6.1
lime estuary
Something with a scythe
subtle pasture
so, 'm curious how that'll go
cinder badger
@sonic crystal Space Cowboy
lime estuary
but with a name we dont know
sonic crystal
I mean if we follow the "what is Yoshi P wearing" thing that has been proven right before...yea
lime estuary
My guess is it'll be like Gunbreaker
in that the weapon will be familiar
but the job will be unique
sturdy kernel
Its gonna be Reaper for the 2nd Melee DPS
subtle pasture
clearly it's RDM 2.0, they've dropped the rapier and will now just beat mobs to death with the crystal
lime estuary
Who knows, maybe it'll be based on Sice
subtle pasture
sonic crystal
Well, it can't be like GNB if it is dps but I get the point.
iron scaffold
O-out there.
Allagan were too out there as well
sonic crystal
Wonder if it will raise the dead.. like a voidwalker or something
lime estuary
I meant more that GNB uses a familiar weapon but isnt a job we've heard before FF14
subtle pasture
Yeah, but a moonbase as a populated city? Maybe with nodes and different evolutions of chimera
cinder badger
I thought yoshi-p doesn't like evil jobs
subtle pasture
and those "lunarians" or what-have-you
cinder badger
But I thought people pointing out the minion
subtle pasture
!minion namingway
lusty shadowBOT
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cinder badger
Namingway
lime estuary
There'll probably be an Allagan city on the moon, but It'll likely be dead
outside of beasts
lime estuary
I hope its a fucking sight to behold either way
sonic crystal
Dead like Garlemald ahahaha.. I'm sad.
subtle pasture
it's gonna be an allagan ruin overcome by whatever the source of the Lunar gunk is
a Zodiark shade of a city of a city by Fan
cinder badger
Work to game seems to be on the side of Templar for the new job
iron scaffold
It would made sense to have some kind of system or facility that sits between Dalamund and CT to overlook the transfer of energy
sonic crystal
Lunar Gunk.. Zeno's needs to not watch dirty films anymore.
lime estuary
The Templar theory is based on a vague reference from Yoshi P's first shirt, but he wears a second shirt that has no connection
So I doubt it
subtle pasture
It wouldn't have been connected to Dalamud directly, else the moon woulda been struck by the energy blast from the Fourth Umbral
kind lark
Time to rip and tear lahabrea
subtle pasture
or oculd have been, I suppose. But then the base woulda definitely been de-powered
cinder badger
The first shirt he wore said no comment
cinder badger
The second shirt he wore was the clue
lime estuary
I meant more that he had 3 shirts
2 had reapers
Also it's fucking ridiculous that this is a sentence Im saying.
cinder badger
Know that other shirt happened during the live letter and it's a shirt he's before
subtle pasture
Dalamud's first activation overloaded even the Crystal Tower, the centerpiece of the Allagan powergrid-- imagine how the moonbase it was orbiting would have been affected
cinder badger
Also did he point out the reaper shirt during the live letter and draw attention to it?
I didn't actually watch the live letter so judging by how people are blowing it so far out of proportion I'm assuming he gestured to it or something
sonic crystal
Just remembered his shirts meant nothing 🤣 he just got hot.
kind lark
<:namazuconcern:685268305275256852>
It turns out zodiark's magic protects it or something like that
subtle pasture
well the Neighborhood shirt was extra obvious bc Yoshi had clearly ran off, changed shirts, ran back on during the Sage trailer
and was winded,
lime estuary
It's not really blowing it out of proportion
sonic crystal
He was hot, Pash.. hehe.
lime estuary
Its clearly a reference. We just dont know how on the nose it is or not
Also Binding Coils had us inside a Ragnarok-class spaceship
cinder badger
Yeah The Neighbourhood shirt is the one that people are focused on.
The reason why the "vague" reference was called out is because he did the same thing before with the Spider-Man shirt
lime estuary
I wonder if we're gonna ride one up to the moon
Its on the damn logo so I hope so
lemme fly a spaceship Yoshi
subtle pasture
better yet,
where is it gonna fly from 
--prob another allagan ruin somewhere in Ilsabard
lime estuary
Sharlayan
iron scaffold
^^
lime estuary
they have one in the parking lot
subtle pasture
true, they did get an Allagan aetheryte network functioning on Val
sonic crystal
I'm picturing a hard singing Fly Me To The Moon
dawn wave
we have sharlayan at home
cinder badger
I highly doubt Sharlayan is going to get involved now
sonic crystal
Bard
lime estuary
I figure they absolutely will if Fandaniel is doing what I think he's doing
cinder badger
Sharlayan is going to be a story on its own
lime estuary
I think he's bringing about the same end of days that Amaurot suffered
Which means I absolutely think they'll help
subtle pasture
I'd say i'd doubt Thavnair would budge on their trade deals to Garlemald but,
well, that Thavnair dungeon is under attack
sonic crystal
If someone has a mean of a Bard singing Fly Me To The Moon....please send me it. Thank you.
Meme
royal scroll
Bringing up the end of days was heavily implied with the opening narration
lime estuary
It could be argued that Garlemald is destroyed before we even get there
cinder badger
@lime estuary yes because they were so helpful all the other times the world was in danger
lime estuary
The empire is no more
subtle pasture
I'm reminded of "We are under fucking attack" mobile game memes on Holminster's
sonic crystal
Lol
subtle pasture
so I'mm sure that thavnairian temple dungeon will have some too
royal scroll
My healer main heart **NEEDS** it.
Are you me?
subtle pasture
It's a Doma situation tbf
lime estuary
Oh yeah, I know its literally destroyed
But I meant more uh
their forces
are probably scattered
subtle pasture
Doma was razed but for the Castle in 2.2,
lime estuary
and they probably have no government
so Thavnair has no reason to care about the treaty
sonic crystal
@royal scroll fellow healer main?
royal scroll
Yeah boi. And Sage main
sonic crystal
I'm an Ast main until Fall.
royal scroll
Need a new healer badly
subtle pasture
like, there must be a Garlean embassy in Radz-at-Han and maybe it's a Legion
cinder badger
Sharlayan will continue to hold their vast amounts of knowledge and tell the rest of the world to go fuck themselves
subtle pasture
Well someone has to teach Alphinaud Sage 
iron scaffold
so the dgn boss might be their legatus
Oh goodie, time to collect Legate Buckets as Furniture
lime estuary
I bet their father comes into the picture
sonic crystal
My plan is while everyone else is going through story and leveling their main up again, I'm gonna concentrate on Sage.
lime estuary
Alphinaud and Alisae's father that is
My bet is there'll be people in Sharlayan that help us out to SOME degree
kind lark
My plan is while everyone else is going through story and leveling their main up...
Healers are going be flooding dungeons
cinder badger
I think we will end up dealing with sharlayan after all this shit's over
sonic crystal
I'm aware.
royal scroll
My plan is while everyone else is going through story and leveling their main up...
Yup. Gonna level Sage first before MSQ. Logging out before maintenance in Limsa
lime estuary
There was also the theory that uh
sonic crystal
I don't mind it.
subtle pasture
Oh of course, I had argued Sharlayan is a great starting point for both Pandaemonium and the Eorzean Mysteries 24man, but prior if an arc had a sharlayan springboard they were just,
sonic crystal
I was used to it when Ast came in.
lime estuary
The new melee job could potentially come from like, Meracydia or The New World
subtle pasture
Already There.
lime estuary
Which Id love
sonic crystal
I played many mmos that got new healers. You get used to the new class flood.
cinder badger
@lime estuary there are people from Sharlayan that help. The same people who have been helping the warrior of light since the beginning
lime estuary
I meant more like, from the actual governing body
subtle pasture
Yeah the only Forum member we've met was the douche in AST
royal scroll
Eh it will even out with the new classes anyways. Always do
lime estuary
And yeah, my bet is Thavnair is our springboard for 7.0
Because they're the only people who deal with Meracydia
iron scaffold
The new melee job could potentially come from like, Meracydia or The New World
Does the new world even have a civilization?
lime estuary
Yes
subtle pasture
Aye, a few,
lime estuary
Blue Mage comes from The New World
subtle pasture
Mamool Ja and the Whalaqee are the known ones
iron scaffold
Blue Mage comes from The New World
City state I mean
cinder badger
The students have baldsian and the circle of knowing we're among the few that didn't agree with the big wigs in Sharlayan who want to isolate from the worlds problems.
iron scaffold
towns
subtle pasture
(Note: The Mamool Ja, which is both the people and their nation, is not one species but myriad tribes and clans that are essentially their own individual species by the nature of Mamool Ja genetics)
cinder badger
And then there's the astrologian mentor. Who sharlayan has tried to have murdered on several occasion
subtle pasture
...also that they highly praise mamool ja born with two heads and make them their leaders
Mamool Ja are weird.
--would love a dive on 'em
cinder badger
They didn't want astromancy to be taught to the rest of the world
lime estuary
I lowkey want Alphinaud's father to be the one who teaches him to be a Sage
subtle pasture
The Sharlayan School of Astrology, which is a healing magic art
We're deffo gonna have an Archon of Sagacity or two, prob the mentor, for sure
cinder badger
Well we pick up the job in limsa lominsa
subtle pasture
we also pick up DNC in Lomina, and SAM in Ul'dah
dawn wave
i really hope the sage abbreviation isn’t SAG
subtle pasture
cinder badger
It's to avoid having jobs locked in new areas
Something they realized was a mistake in Heaven's Ward
subtle pasture
yeah 'm saying its story could go and come from anywhere, 
but, being a port city, doesss open up the "from" to
basically anywhere
dawn wave
Something they realized was a mistake in Heaven's Ward
why was it a mistake?
lime estuary
Sage will probably be SGE
subtle pasture
bc the HW jobs require, well, access to HW and Ishgard
and all later jobs are just "hit level X" now
cinder badger
@dawn wave you literally could not get to those jobs until you had access to ishgard
Even though the job started off at level 30
craggy gale
yo no one talking about how alisae skipped a combo step
cinder badger
So you would have to do all the msq stuff at level 50 unlock the job and then you were stuck grinding for 20 more levels
craggy gale
she went from zwerchau to displacement
subtle pasture
I joked about a new RDM oGCD that lets you go into holy/flare > scorch out of combo
craggy gale
and still got verholy off
subtle pasture
imagine
craggy gale
cheating
cinder badger
But hey we learned dancer and didn't have access to Thavnair
craggy gale
cheating elves
cinder badger
So here's a thought what if having Sage doesn't necessarily mean we're going to sharlayan
craggy gale
is there no crime they wouldnt do
lime estuary
I wonder if people are gonna be pissed next next expansion when we likely get 2 dps, caster and a ranged physical.
iron scaffold
So here's a thought what if having Sage doesn't necessarily mean we're going to ...
were going to sharlayan
lime estuary
Ill eat my shoe if we dont go to Sharlayan in 6.0
cinder badger
@iron scaffold I will believe it when they reveal it but just because you say it doesn't make it fact
gaunt star
unique verge
Sharlayan feels extraordinarily unlikely based on what we know so far
cinder badger
Trying to calculate how much money you've already spent on gacha
brisk quail
I joked about a new RDM oGCD that lets you go into holy/flare > scorch out of co...
How about the ability to go...
Verholy > Scorch > Verflare
brisk quail
Trying to calculate how much money you've already spent on gacha
I'm not counting that cursed number
I don't want to know
I truly don't.
iron scaffold
https://tenor.com/view/paimon-gif-19687061
Dont over think it, we're still going to Mcdonalds (Moon)
lime estuary
Ye olde Moon.
cinder badger
@lime estuary if it was Ye Olde Moon there wouldn't be any Oxygen
This is New Moon City where you can breathe without your eyeballs being sucked out
gaunt star
Dont over think it, we're still going to Mcdonalds (Moon)
i dont overthink much, 6.0s speculations make me feel stupider than b4
cinder badger
The allagans managed space travel
lime estuary
I wonder if we'll have some Menphina lore since we're going to the Moon
gaunt star
look man if Eden can throw u into a black hole and blow it up and u survive, breathing on the moon is normal
brisk quail
The allagans managed space travel
The allagans managed
space traveleverything
lime estuary
And does it have a name? Or is it just the 'Moon'
iron scaffold
And does it have a name? Or is it just the 'Moon'
Luna?
brisk quail
Made other races? Check
Made the basis of 98% of science? Check
gaunt star
the allagans didnt manage cure for tempered 
royal scroll
I dunno if this is reading too much into it but could have stronger gravity on the moon too considering Derplander is seen on the underside as the camera zooms out
cinder badger
Imagine playing a keeper on the moon
brisk quail
Made horrible monsters for fun? Check
gaunt star
lime estuary
the allagans didnt manage cure for tempered <a:PaimonCookies:775130697689595934>
Actually they did didnt they? they just buried the research, likely at Emet's command
cinder badger
@lime estuary no they didn't even bother to try
lime estuary
They absolutely did
gaunt star
idk but if they buried it, it would mean they werent successful? xd
cinder badger
I know I just went through it
gaunt star
one allagan was trying to do find a cure afaik
cinder badger
It was requested buy one of their researchers but they told him no
gaunt star
but he never got to finish it 
cinder badger
Which means they never came up with the Cure. We did using their machines but they didn't even bother to try
gaunt star
meanwhile alisaie and graha brrrt
brisk quail
meanwhile alisaie and graha brrrt
DID YOU KNOW FF2 EXISTS. HHAHAHA. WILD ROSE IS A PASSWORD. LMAO. FUNNI
gaunt star
funny how cure for tempering was found when the towers temple people to garlemald
password is password
temper*
cinder badger
Why are we still using Wild Rose
brisk quail
HAHAHA
gaunt star
because thats where it grows
brisk quail
Did you know FF2 was a GAME
Hahahahahhahaha
It had wild rose and now we do wild rose
Kek
Lmao
Pepelaugh
Pog
gaunt star
cinder badger
@brisk quail Wildrose was a reference in Final Fantasy XIV since Around Reborn
brisk quail
I know
cinder badger
It's not like they just quickly shoehorned it in
brisk quail
Thats why it annoys me
Just stop
We kn9w
No more
It's been done
Shut.
No more
cinder badger
brisk quail
I don't wanna hear the reference for the 50th time
gaunt star
oh shut up
brisk quail
brisk quail
Come up with something diffrent if you gotta reference Ff2
cinder badger
Now I'm going to make a glamour outfit using the Wild Rose attire
I'm just one level from 60
Then I can get that awkward monk AF
That really doesn't look like monk gear
Looks kind of like Street performer clothing
gaunt star
cinder badger
The heavensward set for Monk
Never really looked monk like to me
But the stormblood set looks awesome
lime estuary
Ok I looked it up. The Allagans successfully found a way to shield themselves from tempering, but when the researcher proposed a new study to find a CURE it was rejected outright. Likely because the people really in charge were Ascians and thus had no reason to want to end tempering. Nevertheless you have to imagine they absolutely would have found a cure if they'd been allowed to
cinder badger
But the point is they didn't. Think about who their Emperor was
The guy in literally made a deal with The Cloud of Darkness
He wasn't exactly the Brightest Bulb
lime estuary
I mean Amon was all but certainly a puppet for Emet
gaunt star
and probably Emet was manipulating him anyway
cinder badger
Though admittedly the Mhachi we're pretty stupid to make pacts with the void as well
forest magnet
Ok I had a crackpot theory while trying to fall asleep last night
So Yoshi-P said the logo would make sense when you play through the game, this discounts the pizza ship as our means of going to the moon
Now, rewatching the trailer, you see that the camera zooms out to view the far side of the moon, which then transitions into the logo with pizza ship,
From that angle, the pizza ship is headed towards the moon and the planet
So my guess is there's more aliens.
Aliens caused the Final Days
iron scaffold
Though admittedly the Mhachi we're pretty stupid to make pacts with the void as ...
Safe to assume Ascian were a factor
cinder badger
Their manipulations went only so far because it seems these leaders had their own personal agendas and had plan to stab the Ascians in the back first. lol
lime estuary
The Aliens who made Omega have to show up eventually, but I figure they wont be a thing for a whiiiile
forest magnet
or will they 🤔
lime estuary
I take the logo as being like
forest magnet
I don't think Pizza ship is our ride
lime estuary
perhaps a ship crashed on the moon
cinder badger
I think it's safe to assume LaHEEbreha did not expect Thordin to turn on him
forest magnet
And Aliens manipulating Fandaniel seem interesting
lime estuary
Could be, but I still think Aliens wont be a thing for a while. It'd just introduce waaaay too much to deal with in a single expansion.
forest magnet
they could be the Telophori he's referring to
iron scaffold
And Aliens manipulating Fandaniel seem interesting
Aliens Manipulating a Ascian sound even more farfetch
lime estuary
Also, some people expect Laha to have a redemption arc like Elidibus and Emet (well, not redemption but some sort of understanding)
Id argue the opposite
I think Laha is a fucking psychopath
and Pandemonium will literally be hell
near dune
The LaHEE
lime estuary
My bet is that when Laha wrote the laws for the new star
forest magnet
Aliens Manipulating a Ascian sound even more farfetch
The Ascians living in an Art-Deco utopia seems far fetched if u asked anyone in Stormblood
cinder badger
Yoshi confirmed it :D
lime estuary
he basically created hell
signal solar
laha is only psychopath because he likes stealing bodies more than elidibus and emet
lime estuary
which is his domain
chilly plover
lawho?
signal solar
its entirely his fault
cinder badger
LaHEEbreha
chilly plover
lahabruha
cinder badger
signal solar
elidibus was zodiark
cinder badger
Just his heart
signal solar
so lahabrea being the one to rewrite doesnt make sense
cinder badger
But then he withdrew himself from zodiark
So he could help work on the rejoining
I'm trying to remember who it said became the heart for hydaelyn
iron scaffold
I dont think Lehabrea is Psychopath, just a workaholic
forest magnet
I'm trying to remember who it said became the heart for hydaelyn
Venat
cinder badger
What was the purpose of his seat
forest magnet
What was the purpose of his seat
We don't know.
cinder badger
@forest magnet I meant LaHEEs
forest magnet
Speaker of the Convocation
and Architect iirc
he made Ifrita and designed Zodiark
severe brook
La Hee Bread
brisk quail
La ha bread won't have a redemption arc
It'd ruin him
I expect him to do a final fuck you to the wol
cinder badger
@forest magnet I know he made Ifrita. Which Azem used to save their precious GRAPES
He apparently also created an immortal bird
brisk quail
see wol. I was unsundered... just like elidbus... but for my experiments (the bosses) you will fight I sundered myself and divided them amongst the 12 bosses for the raid tier. Have fun bitch
severe brook
yeah he created Proto-Phoenix
severe brook
if anything i'd expect the Twelve to be in the 24-man
since they're original to XIV
cinder badger
But.... we can't fight Azeyma
severe brook
there's 12 fights in a 24-man as well
cinder badger
"That's crazy talk."
heady shadow
ye but would be a shame if 24 man wasnt silvertear
severe brook
perhaps if the 24-man is about exploring under Silvertear
and about going into the Aetherial Sea
maybe the Twelve are always in an almost-summoned state
beneath the surface of reality
severe brook
though honestly
see i don't really want a Twelve raid
because it would take up all of the slots
leave no room for anything else
like if we go under Silvertear, then I'd hope it has the 'creature under Silvertear' as the finale
which presumably isn't one of the Twelve
cinder badger
"I'm the creature under silvertear. Feed me!"
severe brook
"I WAS SILVERTEAR THE WHOLE TIME"
iron scaffold
every fragment of the sundered ascian
Lehabrea is unsundered Ascian
severe brook
honestly i almost think Pandaemonium is going to be about Lahabrea's ghost jumping from construct to construct as we pursue it through his workshop
severe brook
or he just keeps rejuvenating the same construct and upgrading it every time we kill him
cinder badger
How does he Sunder himself
brisk quail
Put himself into 12 experiments on the moon
oak pike
Man lahabrea just can’t die
severe brook
you know what if Pandaemonium is Lahabrea's workshop
brisk quail
How does he Sunder himself
I don't Fucking know. Probably stabs himselg like sora in kingdomhearts
severe brook
it being on the Moon would actually make sense
gloomy shale
Will the new melee job be the most played job in the expansion?
oak pike
Didn’t he got smited so hard he can’t be in the life stream
severe brook
it's the one place the Ascians know no one would find it
brisk quail
Just stab. And then poof. 13 shards of lahabrea
severe brook
everything returns to the Lifestream eventually
severe brook
my guess is that his soul lingered in a ruined state within the Eyes until Estinien destroys them in Ala Mhigo
cinder badger
@brisk quail so he just somehow has the same power as Hydaelyn
And can do it to himself multiple times even though you get weaker for it
brisk quail
Or he narrowly escapes being sundered
And is slowly being torn apart
And then goes boom and then 12 lahabrea bosses
cinder badger
iron scaffold
it being on the Moon would actually make sense
I'm sticking to my Theory that he survived and is residing inside Estinian, and being on the moon woke him, which leads to Estinian having flash back Memories of Lehabrea
cinder badger
kind lark
This is actually lahabrea's son, Lahabrea Jr
severe brook
see i think they're going to lean into it being an FF2 reference
with Lahabrea representing the Emperor
his soul, broken and ruined, flees into his workshop
cinder badger
I think after we defeated Thordin we freed all that Aether that made the primal and Lahabreha was busy recollecting himself because he just refused to die. And now he's absolutely pissed because we keep kicking his ass and so he's just going to go Fandango on us
severe brook
because
Daemon can mean Spirit
and Lahabrea was head of Phantomology
so Pandaemonium, in this case
brisk quail
I'm standing by that idra
cinder badger
Quetzalcoatl was another creation of La Habra
severe brook
i'm not sure if Quetzalcoatl was an individual project of Alhambra
but it was definitely designed under his supervision
gusty quest
LAHEEEEEEEBREA
severe brook
La Hee Bread
cinder badger
Wasn't that a spectre of him summoning Quetz?
And everybody was running away from it because La La La La Bamba was a loony?
severe brook
considering the one who summons Quetzalcoatl dies in the process
and the events in the Akademia Dungeon are likely a recreation of something Emet went through before the Final Days reached Amaurot
I would guess no
i think that quetzalcoatl was intended to be a collaborative summon
some super-weapon that the Words of Lahabrea had been putting together to fight the Terminus
but that researcher got desperate and summoned it alone
and so it consumed him
somber storm
Tfw you remember about Lahabrea's minions
somber storm
Twelfth Chalice and Twelfth etc
Well 4 are dead in the level 60 SMN job quest
Few are probably still around
We'll probably see some of them in Pandem
Since there was like 12 of them if I remember correctly
cinder badger
La Habra how was behind the end days all along
somber storm
Lahee
cinder badger
He was just a mad genius
somber storm
I should double check if there are any of Laha's 12 minions are still around
cinder badger
Can you imagine if it was revealed that he actually created whatever the thing was that caused everybody's creation Magic's to go out of control
That's usually how it is for geniuses they don't know when to quit
They keep creating newer and greater things to study and then before you know it
BOOM
Armageddon
And of course he would never come clean and admit that he's the reason why all this shit went down
Emet would throttle him. XD
unique verge
It seems significantly more likely that Fandaniel would be the character to have done that
but laha would be pretty funny i guess
cinder badger
Fandango being the master manipulator and the reason behind the end of the world?
That's crazy talk
Though Iwonder what his excuse was back then
Did he still just want to die?
I got it
Wait nevermind I lost it
You know
It took Final Fantasy XI 2 expansions to deal with their evil God
woeful dagger
Alright I finally went back to Highlander where I belong
woeful dagger
say that to my face
cinder badger
Well I would but I need a ladder
iron scaffold
say that to my face
woeful dagger
cinder badger
Why is everybody here such an asshole
heady shadow
welcome to reddit
woeful dagger
damn my search was unsuccessful
cinder badger
It's always funny to see some of these old cutscenes when you're called on a link Pearl and they ask you a question and you just stoically nod even though they can't see you
summer vessel
Yes
cinder badger
"Unless a man of power wrests control, the cycle can never be broken." -Gaius van Bealsar
woeful dagger
Nice finally got ST chest
vagrant sinew
lmao I completely fucking forgot he existed
hazy gull
That most recent pin 
rain onyx
gaunt star
It's always funny to see some of these old cutscenes when you're called on a lin...
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carmine prairie
So random thought if la noscia is on fire as well other regions
Is gridania just gonna burn down
Gridania is about to become gone dania
turbid aspen
Rak’tika moment
carmine prairie
Gridania already is damaged due to fire but also the elements aren't strong enough right now to protect it this time around
topaz dune
"The land buckled, the cities burned, the waters drenched in blood..."
woeful dagger
I just realized I haven't gotten a single SB dungeon in roulette in like over a year
patent axle
Raid called pandemonium
okay but ain't that supposed to be ShB content
patent axle
Thought it was the 5.5 update lol
patent axle
yikes
untold ravine
Not a bad ff, its just bad gameplay
patent axle
It's an ok tier FF
gaunt star
Pandemonium has been a thing in FF2 and FF9, along with another reference in tactics as the capital of Palemecia rather than been Hell Castle
patent axle
Anyway I still want pally cecil armor, my viera would look perfect in that
gaunt star
It’s either Lahabrea’s lair (Jade passage, hell castle, heaven castle) or something based of Terra with alien themes
untold ravine
patent axle
Dunno, could've been the famous delayed ultimate everyone's waiting for
unless ultimates are all based off old content
kind lark
5.5 will be a entire new game
kind lark
the next ultimate is based on HW
thordan?
heady shadow
ye
patent axle
Silence thot
heady shadow
gaunt star
I would gladly take more island living > ultimate
untold ravine
Yikes
heady shadow
Dragonsong war. so Niddy, Thordan, estinien/niddy
untold ravine
Bless
patent axle
Especially Bahamut and Nidhogg
untold ravine
I keep forgetting reddit is hot take central sometimes
heady shadow
i usually try to pay attention to everything
untold ravine
Yessir
heady shadow
then just watch everyone bite their heads off
patent axle
Reddit is cringe central
gaunt star
Wait till you hear my opinion of people saying they want a free house!!
patent axle
i made an account 4 years ago
used it a month
then it went in the abyss of dead accounts
untold ravine
Yessir
patent axle
Because it's cringe asf
untold ravine
Yessir
patent axle
I checked the FFXIV side a few weeks ago
Casuals calling hardcore players elitists and hardcore players calling casuals idiots
untold gull
Eh, i like the memes that came out of reddit
patent axle
FFXIV people being FFXIV people
FFXIV people : come to us, we have the best community
Also FFXIV people : being toxic whenever someone disagrees with them
heady shadow
remembers scottzone
gaunt star
The ffxiv chased out Scottzone and were still stuck with mr happy
The lack of taste is glaring
patent axle
who the fuck is scottzone
untold ravine
Im about to say a quick hot take tho:
Imo i think the raid is gonna be ff2 themed cause:
- Pandemonium is orginally from 2
- Lahabrea comes back to life, emperor does the same
- (This is just crap to throw into the mix) There hasnt been a lot of ff2 references.
Or i could be entirely wrong idc
Im just having a thonk moment
gaunt star
Wild rose, firion’s outfit, beavers, etc
patent axle
Im about to say a hot take
I want stuff based off type 0 because I think it's the most underrated game of the series
untold ravine
You already have it
heady shadow
garleans have some type 0 mechs
untold ravine
Bozja
patent axle
and it suffers too much from being born on FFXIII universe's ashes
gaunt star
Half the hairs we have are pulled from type 0
patent axle
which gives it a bad rep
untold ravine
Im just knowing that
Msq gonna be ff4 themed and raid is ff2 themed
In endwalker
Thats it
hazy gull
Im about to say a quick hot take tho:
Imo i think the raid is gonna be ff2 them...
meanwhile I immediately thought of 9 and compared lahabread in my head to garland
regal lantern
Imo Type 0 lore is better than the weps. I’d want something as amazing as Type 0 lore in ffxiv
patent axle
Pally cecil armor
patent axle
Imo Type 0 lore is better than the weps. I’d want something as amazing as Type 0...
Type-0 lore is amazing
patent axle
I truly think that this game is the most underrated game
regal lantern
I truly think that this game is the most underrated game
It’s the bloodiest for sure. Ffxiv isn’t nearly as dark
hazy gull
my hot takes good, your hot takes bad
untold ravine
nosir
hazy gull
patent axle
garland's claymore for drk please
patent axle
that'd be pretty cool ngl
untold gull
They gonna have to make it flashy. They can't have their other class look lame compared to their healer reveal
patent axle
Okay but
Hear me out
what about separating magic dps in 2 categories
melee and ranged
balmy drift
patent axle
so we'd have full melee mages
untold ravine
untold gull
Ya lol, people would go melee mage
patent axle
I want a violent mage
One that comes and uses magic to infuse their blade to tear your apart
hazy gull
Average person would see mage and just sit out in china away from the boss and heals