Ya know I love how this game builds up the WOL....we star as someone who is no one important and just a jobber even for the scions in the begiining, and we just have a voice in our head.....now were beloved by all and nearly a demi god...and it's not a jarring transition
#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
barren karma
cinder badger
@barren karma speak for yourself I'm a legacy player I was important from the very start they just forgot
maiden lodge
Also our goal is not to replicate the fricken primal exactly, but to produce something made of that element using the idea of the primal as a base. If we made it the same we a) would likely summon a tempering monster which would be BAD considering the umbral nature of the environment, and b) would likely fail because a true version would already be summoned.
cinder badger
We did pretty much what Azem did.
Summon our own Primal and then destroy it
But this time there were no grapes involved which makes me sad
maiden lodge
But this time there were no grapes involved which makes me sad
what about the chest of E'sP?
cinder badger
Are they the tasty grapes That Grew near the volcano?
Look I'm a simple ancient
I see grapes I have to have them
If anything threatens my grapes they die
What if Minfillia or Ryne is Hythlo? <_<
Just a thought. Ryne helps WoL to summon primals in order to bring life back to the Empty.
Hythlo similarly helped Azem summon Ifrita to quell the volcano.
Oh on another topic.
If Taynor and Unukalhai are part of the same sundered soul then I wonder who their source counterpart is.
rose gyro
barren karma
Anyone wanna hedge bets if the WOL looses their powers after Endwalker?
cinder badger
Maybe not their powers but most likely the blessing of light
severe brook
^
cinder badger
They are still 8 times rejoined and just because the Hydaelyn/Zodiark arc will end doesn't change it
barren karma
also I have to wonder who the new threat will be after we beat up papa crystal
severe brook
before i was thinking they might have the Sound be the next overarcing threat
but that'll probably be dealt with in 6.0
cinder badger
And it's clear after joining with Ardbert that rejoining doesn't require the Ardor or Calamities
severe brook
i wouldn't be surprised if they had a bunch of smaller stories that don't have a big connecting factor like the Ascians for a while
well, Ardbert's a special case
since he was already 'dead'
barren karma
kinda wish we also got Ardberts voice along with him.....gawwd he's one of the best voice actors they have
severe brook
and we were undergoing basically a mini-calamity of our own
deft burrow
DERPLANDER IS ARDBERT CONFIRMED
severe brook
in terms of plots that'll be happening going forward
i personally think we'll get Void Rejuvenation as a plotline that'll begin in 6.X
and it'll involve the Four Archfiends as the 6.X Trial Series
cinder badger
@severe brook but it's implied Unukalhai and Taynor are both parts of the same sundered soul.
severe brook
yes, but that doesn't mean they'll just merge together anytime
severe brook
it wouldn't necessarily need to be their Source counterpart
they could theoretically merge together
but it'd require basically a recreation of what happened with us and Ardbert
so one would need to be in that ghost-like state
and the other would have to be undergoing a catastrophic breakdown
barren karma
be kinda nice if 6.1 was a bit of a break....a downtime with a fun little pirate adventure or somehting small....I'd like to go back to Doma personally
severe brook
and i don't think either of them want that to happen
cinder badger
But I believe the source shard is the original essence. Which is why each rejoining returns to the source
severe brook
less the original, more the center
nothing is really more or less original than anything else
but the Source happens to be the 'center'
severe brook
still, the Source and Shards came into existence at the same time
so neither is more 'original' then the other
cinder badger
Know the source existed first
severe brook
the Source is more central but it's not inherently closer to the Ancient world than any other
cinder badger
The Source would be the original Star before the sundering
barren karma
Be kinda cool if the new evil is kinda Cthulhu based...as in it starts with a creeping madness and builds from there....a kinda mad god that not connected to us....a blind idiot god kinda deal
severe brook
that sounds more like azathoth than cthulhu
severe brook
The Source would be the original Star before the sundering
When the Sundering happened, each world was split up evenly
barren karma
oh ya I just forgot that guy yea that's it!
severe brook
they are not fragments of the Source
but the Source and Shards are all fragments of a world that no longer exists
cinder badger
It's a world that does exist it's just been split. If that world cease to exist why did we find ruins of said world
cinder badger
Because each Calamity on the source further degraded evidence of those ruins
severe brook
yes
there were ruins there once
when i say split
i don't mean that each world was a continent
it's the Sundering
each world is a percentage, essentially
the Source, being at the center, is the world the others rejoin to
thus it's now at a higher "percentage"
cinder badger
It was explained why we couldn't find evidence of Amaurot on the source
severe brook
yes
i'm not disputing that
when i say that world ceased to exist
i mean that that form of existence and its people no longer exist
traces still do
or did, in the case of the Source
but the Source is not the "original" world from which the others flow
cinder badger
Only it is because everything returns to the source. By your logic every rejoining could randomly just flow into any other shard.
But they don't. Why? Because they flow into the source.
severe brook
that wasn't the argument here
my argument was that the Source is not the original, but the center
it cannot be the original because all parts of this system originate at the same time
if it was the original, the source would be older
but the source is a 'fragment' just as much as the other shards are
cinder badger
It is literally called The Source
Being older has nothing to do with it it's the original copy of the world they lived in only divided in essence. Which is why each Shard flows back into it during a rejoining.
"Hydaelyn, also known as the Source (原初世界, Gensho Sekai?, lit. Original World), is the primary setting of Final Fantasy XIV. It shares its name with the Mothercrystal who guides the player character.
This world is the original star from which Hydaelyn's thirteen reflections were sundered. One of these reflections, the First, is the main setting of Final Fantasy XIV: Shadowbringers."
@severe brook
gaunt star
severe brook
lmao
night talon
among us lookin ass
severe brook
Zenos' new Job is going to be Impostor
maiden lodge
Being older has nothing to do with it it's the original copy of the world they l...
What he's saying is that the identity and character of each world has been altered into a completely different thing, wherein there is no sense of identity connect between the former and the latter.
The fact that the same 'stuff' makes up the shards doesn't change that they're different things now from what once was.
severe brook
he's going to pretend to be a Scion the whole time
night talon
when the crown prince is SUS
maiden lodge
I saw Zenos vent
night talon
a new kill animation for amongus but its just a 40 second long cutscene where zenos turns into shinryu and akh morns you, bricking your computer
severe brook
he uses Protostar and it blazes a line across the whole map
killing all crewmates in the way
cinder badger
The argument became that the source was not the original world. Calling it the "center" but not being the ORIGINAL WORLD from which the 13 shards are reflections of.
@maiden lodge
The literal meaning of the Japanese name is "ORIGINAL WORLD."
maiden lodge
The argument became that the source was not the original world. Calling it the "...
It isn't, in a sense, the original world. It has different aetheric laws, and people, and flora, and fauna.
barren karma
What if the original world is.....our world O_O
maiden lodge
The Source is the same dimension, but the world is something different
cinder badger
It's literally called the original world oh my God are you people so obtuse but you can't look facts straight in the face and admit that your answer is wrong.... does Yoshida have to look you straight in the eye and tell you you are wrong for you to finally admit it or you going to argue with him too?
maiden lodge
That's the whole shtick behind the Ascians isn't it? That the world -isn't- the old Source, and they're trying to bring it back into being
kind lark
What if the original world is.....our world O_O
Biggs and wedge travel back in time to create the original world
maiden lodge
It's literally called the original world oh my God are you people so obtuse but ...
I'm not saying that, in one sense, the Source is not the core remnant of the old Source--it is. That's not disputed.
What I'm saying is that it's not the same thing, despite having been made from the original, in the same sense that you eating a steak--that steak ceases to be even as its proteins, fats, and carbohydrates, its component bits, are made into your flesh
maiden lodge
It wasn't made from the original
Except the original doesn't exist.
Every world is the original, in that sense.
cinder badger
No it isn't
maiden lodge
Hydaelyn doesn't copy. She divides. She makes one thing into two.
maiden lodge
They're not copies--they're proper divisions
cinder badger
Hydaelyn, also known as the Source (原初世界, Gensho Sekai?, lit. Original World), is the primary setting of Final Fantasy XIV. It shares its name with the Mothercrystal who guides the player character.
This world is the original star from which Hydaelyn's thirteen reflections were sundered. One of these reflections, the First, is the main setting of Final Fantasy XIV: Shadowbringers.
tropic frigate
lit
maiden lodge
yes yes you can quote a wiki good for you
Now instead of didacticly repeating a noncanonical source
Watch the cutscene where emet-selch explains what Hydaelyn does
cinder badger
The Japanese name means original world
maiden lodge
Yes, yes, I understand how names work, yes yes.
What is Hydaelyns mode of attack according to Emet-selch?
Division.
cinder badger
You're trying to use a fictional characters interpretation of events to describe it. I'm doing actual research about the motivations of the creators of said story.
maiden lodge
You're trying to use a fictional characters interpretation of events to describe...
The wiki is not researching the creators of said story.
Actual research would actually involve the text.
The text says, explicitly, her power is division. Are you saying the text is wrong about the text?
cinder badger
The creators call it the original world they wrote it out to be the original world and the 13 shards are reflections
That is what the source means even pull out a dictionary for crying out loud and you will see what source means
maiden lodge
So are you claiming that Emet-selch is wrong about the cosmology of the game?
That Hydaelyn doesn't divide, but photocopies?
And that the sundering is a bad name, and it's actually just the 'ctrl-c ctrl-v'?
cinder badger
That's part of making a good story is not having a fictional character provide the exposition but instead their own interpretation. You're taking his interpretation of what Hydaelyn does as the facts.
maiden lodge
But hey, the 'name' of it is the 'Source' and all names are literal and must be taken literally without exceptions. Thus, Moenbryda must have actually married the moon at some point--you cracked the case on how we get there! We'll borrow her dowry!
maiden lodge
That's part of making a good story is not having a fictional character provide t...
I'm taking the in-game exposition as expository, yes.
Are you claiming the exposition is non-expository?
heady shadow
oh btw.
Zenos is like Kenpachi Zaraki.
both want strong enemies to fight and usually want them to get stronger.
though zaraki will run after you all the time.
maiden lodge
Emet-selch was delivering exposition though. And while I appreciate the idea he's non-reliable, to show such, the onus is on you to prove that he is in this case.
cinder badger
Only he's a character that sees what he wants to see. He also deems that the sundered shards are not full ancients so therefore they do not actually exist. So I guess we are to believe that our characters do not actually exist in the game's world and we're just Phantoms.
maiden lodge
Which, saying 'THE SOURCE MEANS' doesn't prove dick, because you're claiming a name is an aptonym without showing how it is apt
maiden lodge
Only he's a character that sees what he wants to see. He also deems that the sun...
He also... was there.
He's not claiming we don't exist either.
cinder badger
He literally says he doesn't count as killing us as murder since we don't exist
maiden lodge
Emet-selch is the most reliable character we have on the matter, because he's the only one who a) was there, and b) remembers. Even Hydaelyn isn't.
cinder badger
In his eyes we are not real that we are just fragments of what he perceives as real
maiden lodge
He literally says he doesn't count as killing us as murder since we don't exist
Yes, Emet-selch NEEEEVER uses irony.
And notice: Nothing's contradicted what Emet-selch has explained either.
And an independant source (Ronka) fucking backs him up
rain onyx
He clearly doesn’t show that much remorse for the probably millions he killed through rejoinings.
maiden lodge
He clearly doesn’t show that much remorse for the probably millions he killed th...
That's a different matter, and yeah he doesn't. But his being a remorseless undying genocidal megawizard doesn't mean he's wrong or lying about why he is a remorseless undying genocidal megawizard.
You're literally arguing that Emet selch is wrong about Emet selch's own motivation. The world has changed in such a fundamental manner that he cannot live with it. If the world were the same, he'd not have that motivation. You're literally saying Emet-selch's lying to himself about the world that he's trying to change back to the thing it once was.
In this instance, you've had it explained to you that this is a 'Theseus' ship' argument, and you've ignored it, and you've been presented with the text, and you're ignoring the text. I am not the reason you're running into troubles here.
If 'The game says <blank>' is 'clearly nothing' as an argument to you, how can you even discuss the game? Your position is absurd.
cinder badger
I'm arguing that the literal meaning of the name given by the devs is "Original World" and you still refuse to listen
So clearly the devs are lying but the fictional character they created is correct
maiden lodge
I'm arguing that the literal meaning of the name given by the devs is "Original ...
I did listen. I addressed it. It's not a salient point.
1:47 PM] Kawaiian, Equinox Bane: I'm not saying that, in one sense, the Source is not the core remnant of the old Source--it is. That's not disputed.
[1:48 PM] Kawaiian, Equinox Bane: What I'm saying is that it's not the same thing, despite having been made from the original, in the same sense that you eating a steak--that steak ceases to be even as its proteins, fats, and carbohydrates, its component bits, are made into your flesh
I even linked the Ship of Theseus.
The problem here is I don't actually think you really understand what you're arguing against, exactly.
lime estuary
Im trying to comprehend what this argument is about, is someone arguing that Hydaelyn copies and doesnt divide?
Cause she divides. Her literal power is to split things.
kind lark
Im trying to comprehend what this argument is about, is someone arguing that Hyd...
From what I understand is the world we're on is the world that go divied or is it just another fragment from a even older world
The older world being the acients one
maiden lodge
If I take a pile of cookie dough, and I split it into 14 even piles, with one in the middle where the original was--the one in the center isn't the original pile. The pile is gone.
lime estuary
Technically speaking the original world doesn't exist anymore in the sense of a complete product
maiden lodge
Technically speaking the original world doesn't exist anymore in the sense of a ...
THIS.
The remnant is there, and aetherically, the Shards pull towards the Source
It has special properties, no one is disputing that
lime estuary
Yeah that much can be argued absolutely
maiden lodge
It is -special-
lime estuary
But you cant take it as "oh this is literally the same as it was in ancient times"
lime estuary
I suppose you could explain it as this:
The source is like the base lego block that all the other blocks get attached to
but the completed lego construction doesnt exist anymore
And also, yes I believe Emet-Selch was telling the truth when he says he doesn't lie
Or specifically that he wasnt lying to the scions and wol
he was actually pretty straight forward
Now, granted, just because he wasnt lying doesnt mean he was telling the WHOLE truth
cause thats a different story
heady shadow
he told us what we needed to know.
thats it
whether it was a lie or not is up to the individual
strange summit
spare warren
is it real?
deft burrow
both?
cinder badger
How many reflections of the source are there
cinder badger
"Across ten and three were we then divided. Reflections of the Source, each possessed of a shard."
deft burrow
8 already joined
cinder badger
You would be wrong
maiden lodge
How many reflections of the source are there
13
deft burrow
and then the source
rugged basin
And one went bye-bye
cinder badger
Across 10 and 3
rugged basin
I meant gone completely, not rejoined
deft burrow
currently 5 shards, the 13th being world of darkness, failed experiment
and one is the 1st
that leaves 3 that we don't know about
maiden lodge
I meant gone completely, not rejoined
Not gone completely.
The thirteenth is still 'there' but it's fucked up and not in a rejoinable state.
cinder badger
But there is a possibility we can save the 13th
deft burrow
I mean....
forest magnet
but only if you level all your roles
maiden lodge
But there is a possibility we can save the 13th
Yep, one teased by the plan to rejoin it through the First, and one teased by the void quests.
cinder badger
Yes only if you level all your roles
deft burrow
Mhm
forest magnet
at that point would they even make it mandatory then
"please level all roles to lvl 80 before continuing and do these quests:"
like
it can't be that important otherwise they'd make people level jobs
to do msq
cinder badger
Or we just need to amass enough light to pour into the 13th
If only we had a vessel that could withhold a near Limitless amount of Aether
maiden lodge
at that point would they even make it mandatory then
No, they won't make it mandatory
They took out crossclassing to avoid forcing that
forest magnet
what do you mean crossclassing
cinder badger
@forest magnet before role actions we had cross class
maiden lodge
what do you mean crossclassing
In ARR and HW, instead of role abilities, that stuff was class abilities, and you had to level enough in the class with it to be allowed to equip it on other jobs.
So, for example, to get swiftcast as a healer, swiftcast was a level 26 THM ability, so you had to level to level 26 THM in order to swiftcast-raise
cinder badger
Man I remember in 1.0 where you didn't play Black Mage in trials
forest magnet
Like crossclassing required specific jobs
cinder badger
Because if you just played thaumaturge you could cross class raise from Conjuring
forest magnet
this would be "as long as its X role just level it to unlock the quest"
which is less painful
maiden lodge
which is less painful
'you need level 80 in four jobs' is more painful than 'you just need level 26 in this one job'
lime estuary
Put it this way, if we ever return to the 13th there's absolutely no way they would force you to do all of that
They'd just find another way
onyx mango
Couldnt tanks cross class protect? Think I remember that.
forest magnet
PLD could cross class raise
onyx mango
And there were like two stances for WAR I think
cinder badger
@maiden lodge soon-to-be five jobs
It's less painful for the older players though who already have most of their jobs levelled anyway
So then it's just ten levels per job
lime estuary
And for those who are confused, there are 14 worlds, 13 shards, and the Source.
Not 12 shards and the Source.
maiden lodge
Couldnt tanks cross class protect? Think I remember that.
Paladins could crossclass CNJ and MRD, so they got Raise, Stoneskin, Cure, Protect, Mercy Stroke, Bloodbath, that terrible defensive cooldown that did nothing much, and Skull Sunder (ha)
Raise was out of combat only, though
subtle pasture
I don't think the Void Quests would be mandatory to enter a Void Expac, moreso just, like, giving context and alternate dialogue when Unukahai hops out a portal in 7.55 or so 
cinder badger
Imagine if Paladin gets raise this time
subtle pasture
it'd be the equivalent of the WoD arc being optional in HW, which, like, yeah why, but also, 
maiden lodge
Imagine if Paladin gets raise this time
They don't have swiftcast, so it won't work in their ket.
kit
cinder badger
@maiden lodge unless it works differently
maiden lodge
<@275781124872077315> unless it works differently
They're very reluctant to gave raise not take a million years to cast.
subtle pasture
well, there is the Requiescat trait
maiden lodge
And Paladins sitting there casting a long spell while getting punched in the gunt doesn't work well
subtle pasture
cinder badger
Like spending oath gauge on it instead or allowing it to be instacast during Requiescat
subtle pasture
...not saying it'd ever be worth it, but, it's there
maiden lodge
There's that, but that... yeah
cinder badger
It would prevent people from abusing it
subtle pasture
if PLD didn't already have 2 raid CD's one coulda be given as an aoe Clemency or its compliment to Confiteor
cinder badger
Red Mage already abuses the shit out of their raised
maiden lodge
The issue with that though is that raise is also an oom risk on all jobs that have it. Paladins don't really have MP as a cost in the same way, like eating 2400 mp is nothing on them
maiden lodge
Red Mage already abuses the shit out of their raised
RDM is balanced around that though.
subtle pasture
well, bc their entire dps kit rotates around Requiescat burst windows and rebuilding your MP
subtle pasture
...and FoF is there too I guess
cinder badger
@maiden lodge then oath gauge cost. The idea would be giving Paladin an emergency raise in case both healers are down
maiden lodge
Oathguage is a minimal cost.
cinder badger
But you still have to be choosy with how you spend your oath gauge
cinder badger
Always keeping at least 50 in reserve for emergencies
subtle pasture
prob a new gauge builder spendor for 80+
cinder badger
And spending it before you go over cap
subtle pasture
shield swipe seems like easy territory for gauge building
or, the new burning swipe Derp throws in the trailer
🔍
subtle pasture
Cover II, absorbs a killing blow, perhaps
--well, not a Cover lmao
but a Guardian Spirit-esque ability
...that's easy cheesing territory though
cinder badger
There would be worse decisions than giving Paladin its own personal res
subtle pasture
imagine 80+ being they give tanks a 2nd invuln
spiral mica
perfect block? 3 seconds, next attack does zero damage
maiden lodge
There would be worse decisions than giving Paladin its own personal res
Yeah but it has no resource room for it.
subtle pasture
or give PLD for having the worst invuln atm
cinder badger
Can also give it a cool down
maiden lodge
or give PLD for having the worst invuln atm
living dead is still the worst invuln
cinder badger
Again the idea is to give Paladin the option in case both healers wipe and there's no Red Mage or Summoner
regal lantern
living dead is still the worst invuln
Yeah it’s really idk...? Pointless? Like it helps you survive at a moment where your healer is completely incapacitated but for 10 seconds only
What’s the use of that?
subtle pasture
perfect block? 3 seconds, next attack does zero damage
RIP in piece origianl Shade Shift and Manawall
maiden lodge
Again the idea is to give Paladin the option in case both healers wipe and there...
Or just eat the wipe
cinder badger
Yeah but why eat the wipe if you could spare your team the trouble
subtle pasture
because efficiency 
maiden lodge
Yeah it’s really idk...? Pointless? Like it helps you survive at a moment where ...
It does have a usecase that makes it shine--it's the longest invuln for sustained tankbusters.
cinder badger
The game should promote more adaptability. Why does losing both your healers have to mean a death sentence
regal lantern
It does have a usecase that makes it shine--it's the longest invuln for sustaine...
Doesn’t TBN kind of out do it?
subtle pasture
--in a perfect world aka what even pugs will demand happen regardless of skill or comp differences, rez isn't needed
maiden lodge
Doesn’t TBN kind of out do it?
If you have 150k hp, and you're about to take 400k hits, TBN doesn't do the job.
regal lantern
Ah okay yeah fair
subtle pasture
TBN's also the best like, "filler" defensive CD
cinder badger
I don't know TBN seems to absorb quite a lot
subtle pasture
okay Nascent Flash is
cinder badger
Isn't it a percentage of your max health
subtle pasture
but TBN at least feeds back into DRK's DPS rotation
maiden lodge
TBN also doesn't help when it's consecutive hits that place a damage vuln stack, so you can take one but not two.
spiral mica
LD would probably be a lot better if it wasnt so...convoluted
subtle pasture
TBN, Raw Int/Nascent, Sheltron, and Heart of Stone
as like, the short cd defensives
maiden lodge
Like one specific case where LD's strength shows is Titania's tethers. DRK's the only tank that can eat all six tethers without a swap
spiral mica
but tbh i feel like both DRK and GNB invulns are just kinda stupid in design, for no reason than they tried to differentiate them from the existing tank invulns
maiden lodge
TBN the first, eat the second, LD the third and 'die', invuln four five and six, get bene'd
GNB's is actually good as well
spiral mica
GNB is just HG but you need to get healed after
maiden lodge
Usually tank busters apply vulnstacks if they do damage, so you're swapping right after anyways
cinder badger
I love Paladin
spiral mica
DRK is just extended HG
maiden lodge
GNB does actually mean you don't need a swap
Not taking the damage is really a legitimate aspect to GNB that lets it do things Holm doesn't. On E10S, for example, you can have a GNB or a PLD eat all the orbs and take no damage down stacks as a cheese, but War and Drk can't without eating a ton of damage down.
gaunt star
you get dmg down if you do that
maiden lodge
And if GNB isn't tanking the boss at the time, that's an uptime strat, and they don't need to be healed right after by direct heals
gaunt star
they don't check for dmg, they check how many ppl they hit
though bolide/hallow do allow other cheesing in the tier
maiden lodge
you get dmg down if you do that
Right, Im thinking the shadowbreath
Still
it's cheesing there cause the uptime
gaunt star
also one thing ppl don't usually appreciate is that a major benefit of invulns is that the tank doesn't need to be topped beforehand
bolide reducing you to 1 hp isn't actually much of a downside
if you hallow something at full hp then your healers are probably doing something wrong
maiden lodge
bolide reducing you to 1 hp isn't actually much of a downside
Case in point, E3S and E7S's double laser busters, requiring no swap on GNB, because the first hit knocked them low anyways
cinder badger
Why does monk feel like it's slightly easier to play on a controller than keyboard
brisk quail
TBN's also the best like, "filler" defensive CD
Weird way to say Shelltron
Literally FREE CD
Doesn't waste DPS-based resources
Helps against busters and raidwides and chip damage
subtle pasture
true, and I guess TBN is at best dps neutral
brisk quail
TBN is a use it and hope the enemy breaks it... otherwise it's a DPS loss
Shelltron is oh. My oath gauge has been at full for the last 50 seconds, guess I'll press it
ruby hull
one of my new action recommendations has been a way to manually pop your TBN
in fact I was thinking the following
a strike that costs HP or pops your TBN
that way we get OG DRK flavor AND a means to control TBN
maiden lodge
I mean if the enemy doesn't break TBN then your healer just pew pewed for absolutely free because you took zero damage
And if it does, your healer got some free pew pew
Sheltron is also weaker than TBN
wary perch
Just use tbn on tank buster for free shield
maiden lodge
TBN does 25% of your hp. So, if you have, for example, 200k hp, that's 50k damage prevented.
In order to prevent 50k of damage, Sheltron requires you to take a hit that does 250k damage without it.
That'd still kill you.
wary perch
It's a dps lost now that pld loss the shield swipe
maiden lodge
It's a dps lost now that pld loss the shield swipe
Well, no, it doesn't cost you a dps resource.
Actually it gets you back a dps resource, mp
gaunt star
drk doesn't need even fewer ways to make unforced errors
Smart tbn usage including gaining uptime while still popping it is a big part of being great at the job vs simply good
cinder badger
So how does one actually use perfect balance
acoustic sail
Remember when everyone thought chemist was going to be a job
zinc abyss
I wish it had been...
cinder badger
@acoustic sail you mean it isn't? looks at Alchemist
gaunt star
Chemist would be the healer version of Alchemist
cinder badger
What Alchemists can already heal people
They make potions people drink potions and people are healed
onyx sundial
@gaunt star do you use tbn on targetted mechs? Like for example a whm gets targetted for lightning tether on e11s
Oh right
Bad example since you use tbn on yourself for the tb
gaunt star
yea
gaunt star
yeah
that sort of thing is a potential use case
I think of the prey from o7s but that was... a while ago lol
onyx sundial
E12s prog parties have been a pain
cinder badger
The Blackest Night is best used on yourself when main tankking or on the main tank when you're off tanking
gaunt star
pphands
and sometimes if I really need to pop one I just put it on a squishy for a raidwide
I'd try to give it to our brd in prog because he's the most prone to just falling over dead but now it doesn't really matter
if there's raidwide+auto it usually pops on whoever's tanking but that's not always the case 
plain saffron
Yah currently it takes 3 autos to get a tbn off me in prog
But I suspect it just expires before enough autos go off on you now?
vapid cape
Im going to call it
the ascians didnt summon the monsters in the final days
they were summoned or sent by someone or something else
im going purely based on the fact the monsters share the teleport animation of ascians
and that theyre suddenly reappearing even though denizens of eorzea lack creation magic potential
runic atlas
balmy mesa
considering the rather distinct design of the towers, it's possible that Fanny is using some Mhachi tech to forcibly create/summon monsters.
Final days had creation magic go out of control afaik - so not necessarily created by ascians ancients
half phoenix
I think current speculation is that architecture is just void/umbral aesthetic
floral aurora
Btw
Just cause you PLDs got an awesome trailer doesn't make you hot stuff
GNBs will still be the coolest xD
gaunt star
I hate that they put some random sigil on the back of the 6.0 cape
teal geyser
I don't think it's that mhachi
gaunt star
My pld glam will remain my glowly eureka gear
teal geyser
I get where you come from with like, the lights but....frankly that also kinda already existed before Mhach
floral aurora
Making the cape and armor look all badass, GNBs will look even more badass
gaunt star
Someone who zoomed into the towers said they look garlean up close
teal geyser
Yeah
They got really obvious garlean uh, "piping" at the bottom
and if you go "that light looks like something from Mhach" well....
gaunt star
Tower of babil had weird pipes all over the place and lights shooting up to the moon too...
gaunt star
My arachnoid instincts are telling me to expect nothing before November
gaunt star
floral aurora
Did we ever obtain an excalibur sword or crystal sword in ffxiv?
severe brook
Excalibur is the Paladin's Zodiac Weapon, I believe
teal geyser
Sure we've been given swords which I'd class as crystal swords
like the uh, ShB bluespirit stuff
cinder badger
Is it Excalibur the completed Relic for Paladin in A Realm Reborn?
floral aurora
Damn
cinder badger
@untold gull people have wanted something like Nero as a job since ARR
floral aurora
I was hoping we didn't since we got a badass sword in the moon in ff4
gaunt star
The new weapon is going to literally be a bag
untold gull
it's definitely unique. and imagine: giant ass rocket hammer as a weapon 
floral aurora
New weapons have to be badass looking for this expansion
severe brook
there are still some mystical swords they could use as a new weapon
is Dyrnwyn in the public domain yet?
heady shadow
fleshy towers
cinder badger
Reading more into the Templar I'd actually welcome it now
cinder badger
Because it's supposed to be very similar to the rune fencer
But I still don't know what kind of weapon it would use given that Paladin's have swords and dragoons have Lance's
So the dev team would have to be creative
gaunt star
Templars use swords
floral aurora
Sage > the rest
woven escarp
templar is closer to a tank type job though
since it shares a lot in common with pld
cinder badger
@woven escarp have you actually look at the Templar job in previous games
woven escarp
TG cid's job is definitely a maiming job but there's no way they'd add him as a playable job
untold gull
sage looks so cool that so many dps players are actually considering playing healer
so many dead bodies in 6.0
floral aurora
Dont blame them
cinder badger
@woven escarp Templar is a spellblade it's not a tank
untold gull
i'm one of those people tbh
floral aurora
Gunbreaker was fun at launch too
cinder badger
And it most certainly is not close to Paladin
untold gull
already warned my FC that i'll end up killing some of em 
cinder badger
You're only associating it by name and even that's wrong
Templar Channel magic into their blades that provide status effects
There are a lot more related to the Rune fencer in Final Fantasy XI then they are the Paladin
untold gull
it's more just the implication of the name than the actual functionality of the job itself
that said, who knows, we might actually get templar then somehow have a spear and a shield 
untold gull
dancer is sooo chill
floral aurora
Gunbreaker and Dancer were damn near perfect at launch compared to the older jobs
untold gull
you have like just under a minute of uptime then for two minutes, you just chill there 
floral aurora
I'm expecting similar quality to the new jobs
Dancer made me love physical range more
untold gull
honestly, i haven't tried gnb on lower level content. dnc is so great for just a normal run through of something like CT raids because of that god like aoe but gnb is so much like a dps too -- you know what, i should try it later
floral aurora
Just remember, you might hate the other tanks after you try it xD
untold gull
honestly, i'm only at 50 at drk and while i like the class, i hate how squishy i feel on it compared to war
and war started to get stale though i'm only at 56 on that
untold gull
ngl, i miss dark arts - it was still there when i first played drk but stuff happened 
well, early dark arts anyway
royal spruce
So what's your guy's first job to 90 going to be
gaunt star
Pld then sge
deft burrow
Funny how we don't have a melee dps with a normal sword
Isn't that interesting?
We have a katana
But we don't have a one handed sword
melee dps
untold gull
sam/mnk. not even a choice just so i can delete armour/weapons
cinder badger
"In modern fantasy fiction and games, Templars have become associated with champions of religious authority who may be over ruthless in combating anyone seen as an enemy of the religion, or who are possibly dabbling in darker magics themselves. Whereas a Paladin will almost always be genuinely good, a Templar can easily become a villain."
royal spruce
For me it's going to be ninja dancer than mysterious DPS
cinder badger
Just for the people who think Paladin and Templar are one in the same
maiden lodge
it's more just the implication of the name than the actual functionality of the ...
The implication of the name: "A knight of a temple" also has sweet bugger all to do with Paladin "A knight of a palace" or its specific lore in 14 "A knight of the Sultana's Palace/a free adventurer adjunct to the knights of the Sultana's Palace."
untold gull
and here i'm asking for more armour on female 
floral aurora
Lol
deft burrow
less armour is more armour what do you mean?
untold gull
we've gone through that phase already tho
deft burrow
hm
untold gull
male and female. remember the odd bdsm gear phase early on?
gaunt star
Sorry women in armor is breaking my immersion the only equipment set allowed for women should be the spring dress
deft burrow
LOL
floral aurora
See, this is why I'm glad im a Lala Mario xD
untold gull
now that i think about it, i should hunt those down for a glamour 
floral aurora
Lalas don't have this issue
dim sigil
I was one once
floral aurora
untold gull
lol
dim sigil
I went back to au ra after some time
dense shard
its like 8 months or so till 6.0
dim sigil
I just baisclly started it
Given the way the levels are more I don't know level-based rather than exploration I don't see how that's a thing if it is
floral aurora
Idk I don't care for galaxy much
acoustic sail
next quarry
Galaxy has 120 stars and at least a coin per level iirc
dim sigil
Ill get that to later
languid breach
I'm sure the moon will be basically this expack's Tempest, like the story takes a wild turn and it's randomly sprung on us that welp we have to go to the moon
dim sigil
Its called oddessy
floral aurora
You know that PLD shot in the trailer, I want my character in that shot xD
Man and it would be the best image in ffxiv
untold gull
hopefully we get that moment in front of zodiark
actually, i'd like to see that - mario in front of zodiark
floral aurora
Have to look epic after that Sephiroth trailer lol
heavy lintel
If the moon was going to be the Tempest equivalent I can't imagine they would've told us right away that we were going there
open verge
I mean
open verge
We knew we would be going to the moon since forever
heavy lintel
Yeah, that's true
floral aurora
Yeah inside the moon is where the final fight will be
open verge
It was expected that we went to moon at some point with Yoshi p teasing it so much
floral aurora
If its like ff4
cinder badger
Only one thing about Templar that would disappoint me is it should have been a job in heavensward
heavy lintel
I guess it depends on what the full trailer shows
gaunt star
heavy lintel
Since there's something obscured in the shot of the dark side of the moon
untold gull
there's also the hole on the moon...
cinder badger
Templar would have made a lot more sense in Ishgard, a nation full of zealotry and religeous fervor.
cinder badger
We didn't even get Final Fantasy 3 in North America until the DS version
We got a Final Fantasy 3 but not THE Final Fantasy 3. North America's Final Fantasy 3 was actually Final Fantasy 6
dim sigil
The end of ew will be a twist as will its location im sure
wary perch
I'm not sure that's a hole or just giant lake on the moon logo
dim sigil
Its def a hole
cinder badger
The Moon is an eye
gaunt star
dim sigil
Its reall noticeable when watching the animation of the logo
untold gull
what are the chances it's gonna be another ancient architecture. also, i'm still holding on that hope that we're going underground - not moon but the planet's
dim sigil
Final boss will be unexpected to i like to think
floral aurora
Zodiarks true form has to look all messed up
untold gull
i'd be the radical that says there's a chance it's a boss like orphan in 13 where the two opposites combined to be one entity
cinder badger
Watch it look like a giant Elemental
untold gull
if there's crystal palace in 14 then we definitely gonna see allagans then
cinder badger
I bet you Promathia looked way cooler than Zodiark
languid breach
okay so I'm all for the WoL being incredibly powerful and all that, but fighting the entire Zodiark? Eeeeeeeh. Fighting a single reflection of Him sounds way more believable.
cinder badger
@languid breach no match for Azem
gaunt star
Zodiark’s final form
untold gull
in regards to that, i think people are likely to pray for our wol
and y'all know what prayers do
just hoping they don't use that as a plot point, that's gonna be...uh, weird and interesting at the same time
cinder badger
The warrior of light has become a primal
cinder badger
I will temper them all
gaunt star
Anima is a trial, unlikely to be the final boss
cinder badger
The final boss will be Zorc
gaunt star
They don’t reveal that till the expansion drops
floral aurora
Will the broken chains Anima better be a 2nd phase
XD
New players: She doesn't look so tough
Anima breaks her chains
New players: What the F#@$
I want that reaction
dim sigil
Zodiark will be innocence type "final" boss i think
floral aurora
Anima!
untold gull
i'd like to think that fandaniel is the innocence type final boss
just let me have an epic battlefield where i can drag that little shite's face on the ground
floral aurora
First Trial - some Magitek weapon maybe
Second Trial - Anima
Final Trial - Zodiark
cinder badger
"Did somebody say innocence?"
floral aurora
To be honest I think we will get some story instance trials
next quarry
I dont think the first trial is just magitek
floral aurora
3 doesn't feel like enough
floral aurora
I'm guessing on the first one, I just know Anima isn't first
next quarry
how so
gaunt star
First trial- Anima
floral aurora
Because she's too nadass ti be the first
gaunt star
Second Trial- Lunar Bahamut (if not boss next patch)
floral aurora
XD
gaunt star
Third Trial- Zenos stealing Zodiark's power while we fight him stealing Hydaleyns
floral aurora
Lmao be funny if we fight one of Midgarsormr's children on the moon as a nod to fighting Bahamut on the moon in the old ff game
next quarry
what if we just fight lunar bahamut on the moon
cinder badger
And then during the final fight with Zenos we get into an epic sword fight and clash blades.
Then he looks to us and Whispers "Seven seconds until the end."
floral aurora
I'm cool with fighting some kind of Bahamut or one of the children on the moon
cinder badger
Maybe we have to fight Melbu Frahma.
unkempt pagoda
My only for wish for 6.0 is for DRK to get the old 3.0/4.0 version of Blood Weapon back, and for Delirium to get completely changed (like it always does)
Seriously, Delirium has been different in every expansion so far
unkempt pagoda
I'd love if it increased the duration of Blood Weapon by 8s, while also reducing the costs of our MP spenders by half
If the dps numbers don't meet the current iteration, they could buff the potency of Edge and Flood while Delirium is active.
More than anything, I want DRK's CD to have interactivity beyond copying a WAR skill =/
oak pike
you mean being a worse WAR skill 😏
unkempt pagoda
That too
autumn heron
What are the odds that whatever got Alphinaud his new job is also gonna be the thing that gets us to the moon?
gaunt star
NGL I don't want more power in delirium cuz playing around 90s is cursed
Ffiv did have a “Sage” on the moon but he wasn’t exactly called that
DRK rn is a 1/2-minute job that also happens to have a 90
oak pike
watch power shift is gonna be in TBN to make it curse
unkempt pagoda
TBN is absolutely fine as it is right now, yeah
But DRK is no longer the MP tank, at least in spirit
gaunt star
right now tbn is dps-neutral once every other minute, dps-positive once every other minute, and dps-negative at all other times
unkempt pagoda
Our MP bar is sorta there just to be there; MP regens so slowly compared to SB
gaunt star
you need to bank a DA proc to get 5 edges under buffs
oak pike
I see
autumn heron
DRK's MP bar is honestly just there so you cant spam TBN
gaunt star
and on odd minutes you ideally are only using 3 edges so whether you tbn or not doesn't affect your ability to do that
oak pike
like on paper DRK have everything I want in a tank, just I don't like playing it a lot of the times
eden verse DRK was fun
promise is eh rn
unkempt pagoda
Back in HW, managing MP was key to playing DRK. If you expended all your MP, you dropped Darkside
Plus, Dark Arts affected so much of our skills, it made DRK pretty unique
IMO PLD feels more like the MP tank now
oak pike
PLD mp management is dumping mp under magic buff
unkempt pagoda
PLD's MP seems more mechanically sound, even if it is rigid. Outside of pooling a single DA for raid buffs, DRK's MP is more or less non-existent, requiring very little thought to execute.
Like, PLD's MP phase fits its skillset so much nicer, and has a stronger core theme in PLD's kit. DRK's MP feels tacked on now that Dark Arts and Darkside are gone.
Plus, its next to impossible to drop Darkside in 5.0. You have to consciously not be executing your rotation to lose it.
oak pike
DRK probably gonna go through another gameplay change probably?
high swan
They should just remove MP from all jobs and give them their own resource
kindred meteor
lol
high swan
Just for....theme
oak pike
lol
kindred meteor
yeah that ain't happening
high swan
Why
unkempt pagoda
Cause FFXIV's engine is held up by sticks and miracles
They removed TP because it freed up server space
And because it just wasn't fun
oak pike
i thought tp was removed cause tp was dumb
unkempt pagoda
PLD still needed MP for Flash
high swan
Oh yeah shit
unkempt pagoda
Old PLD aoe was so bad
PLD mains deserve a medal for enduring through those dark times
oak pike
didnt PLD pretty much got shit on since HW
unkempt pagoda
PLD also had no gap closer until literally 5.0
oak pike
high swan
How are they going to add new spells to the jobs? Alot of the rotations are right as AF
kindred meteor
and everyone got so hype for said gap closer
high swan
Tight
unkempt pagoda
I think they will make most of the core combos single-button presses like in PvP
high swan
Hah
oak pike
nah
odd yoke
Nah they said they'll never do that
They'll just colisadate and remove some of the lesser needed skills
oak pike
you think war gonna get a new combo finisher
unkempt pagoda
FOr example, DRK could get Scourge back as a finisher
high swan
MCH and BLM feels so tight right now. I can't see how they would add morr
odd yoke
If they put pvp type stuff in PvE alot of high end people would quit as every job just becomes dpsing like a healer
Press one to win
kindred meteor
all they've said is they want to make cool skills like Passage of Arms
oak pike
monk getting Booya 
high swan
True
odd yoke
Or an aoe turret again
woeful dagger
New keyboard came in today ^^
high swan
Like a drone or something dropping bombs
kindred meteor
Monk's changes in 5.4 may just be holdover for 6.0
odd yoke
I think they said that
Or the very least its opened the floor for Monk to actually get good stuff
high swan
RDM could do with more oGCDs. It's not busy enough
odd yoke
Instead of more flavours of QoL GL upkeep
heady shadow
good thing we are getting the new melee dps right?
oak pike
monks fists are going away calling it
kindred meteor
new Melee will be Maiming
odd yoke
Samurais and monks on watch
kindred meteor
they said that
since they said "Dragoon has been the only Maiming so we're slotting it in there"
autumn heron
they are just gonna do what they did before for the healers
high swan
Pls be a scythe user....
unkempt pagoda
Is it an actual new job, or a limited job?
autumn heron
upgrade some of the moves
odd yoke
Actual
autumn heron
real job
unkempt pagoda
Oh snap, I've been gone so long
autumn heron
yes
oak pike
if the new job is a scythe user i would've expected it to be a dex class
dark souls n shit
woeful dagger
anyone else wanna come hang out in Wisconsin with me
odd yoke
We need hammers to bonk the Limsa people
autumn heron
too similar to WAR unfortunatly
oak pike
WAR have 1 hammer
woeful dagger
if the new job is a scythe user i would've expected it to be a dex class
But it's already confirmed Maiming
oak pike
i know
autumn heron
thats true WAR does actually have a hammer
unkempt pagoda
I dunno, a giant hammer can be pretty unique
high swan
What about a Berzerker or something. Dual wielding axes
heady shadow
come chill here in idaho
oak pike
WAR does have a skill call berserk
high swan
I know, but I like the dual wielding berzerker aesthetic
woeful dagger
-24 is colder than -13
autumn heron
issue with jobs like Berserker is that many of the jobs in XIV are fusions of multiple jobs
woeful dagger
WAR does have a skill call berserk
Kinda? It's now Inner Release.
Once you hit level 60
autumn heron
like RDM has a lot of Rune Fencer shit
oak pike
its berserk till 70
woeful dagger
issue with jobs like Berserker is that many of the jobs in XIV are fusions of mu...
But also we have Jobs that are not what they were normally. Look at DRK for instance.
unkempt pagoda
Hasn't Beastmaster been strongly hinted at?
woeful dagger
They can just name something Berserker but it have nothing to do with the Job in other games.
woeful dagger
Nope
What do you mean nope, Yoshi-P used it as a direct reference to additional Limited Jobs
autumn heron
they stated themselves if they add beastmaster it will be a limited job
woeful dagger
And we have them in game now
woeful dagger
SE considers BLU a real Job sadly
unkempt pagoda
They'll likely have a hand axe as a weapon then
FIt with the huntsmen theme and all
kindred meteor
I still want Nero's hammer tbh
autumn heron
Since EW is the end of the story arc I think people are thinking to surface level
woeful dagger
why would you want Nero's hammer when Grynewaht's exists
autumn heron
Its probably not a scythe job
kindred meteor
Nero's hammer cooler
unkempt pagoda
Could be a mech-based class to fit with the Garlean theme
high swan
If we think weapons, what hasn't been seen yet?
autumn heron
from Spiderman
oak pike
nah I saw the weapon gotta look heavy a bit
autumn heron
if its maiming they are gonna be using something heavy yea
woeful dagger
Well Sam Raimi and Samurai are close. People used the director meme to try and draw Templar from the shirts.
unkempt pagoda
Wait, did we get a weapon silhouette preview?
autumn heron
maiming is the tankier DPS glam
oak pike
nah
woeful dagger
Wait, did we get a weapon silhouette preview?
no
oak pike
no previwe
kindred meteor
woeful dagger
Maiming means it'll be a 2h weapon for sure.
high swan
Unless they will give us some wild fantasy weapon like what the Sage got
kindred meteor
return to caveman
oak pike
oh the gundam funnels
woeful dagger
I don't think a Maiming job would use a magiteck weapon
I mean I guess a laser sword or something would count but eh
iron scaffold
I don't think a Maiming job would use a magiteck weapon
nope
heady shadow
looks at the lvl 50 allagan stuff
unkempt pagoda
A magiteck class would fit the tankier melee theme pretty well though
oak pike
watch it is Templar that uses a flail
heady shadow
double bladed?
woeful dagger
damn just finished Eden storyline and they drop Balamb Garden theme on me im tearing up
autumn heron
What about a dual sword. Like then one from Star Wars
Dual Swords would be Judge which we know we arent getting
unkempt pagoda
I'd actually love to see Templar. PLD doesn't smite enough heretics, they are too nice
high swan
Oh, it's already in the game? Didn't know
oak pike
judge armor is now in game
woeful dagger
I don't think they'll release a Job that is too similar to an existing Job.
autumn heron
Judge Armor is the current relic armor
woeful dagger
That's why the Maiming Job makes sense cause it will be completely different to DRG. But also it shouldn't have anything close to other melee Jobs, especially Tank Jobs.
So Scythe to me seems like not the play cause it will have theme overlaps with DRK.
Templar would overlap with PLD. And something like Berserker would overlap with WAR.
So it'll probably be either FF14 exclusive or just use a name but be nothing like that class is traditionally.
unkempt pagoda
My vote is still a magiteck class
oak pike
could pull another gunbreaker
kindred meteor
well we got 3 months til we know lol
oak pike
make a unique job based FF characters
oak pike
could be a job like tidus
high swan
Haha
tropic frigate
really liked the change to mch to edgar
oak pike
one hand a sword thats not a great sword or a long sword
unkempt pagoda
YES
autumn heron
Maybe Onion Knight will be the Blue Mage we wanted
oak pike
actually what type of sword tidus have if it can be one handed ?
iron scaffold
could be a job like tidus
I would rather Wakka
somber storm
tidus uses a sword and shield
woeful dagger
Tidus is just a Freelancer/Soldier
dim sigil
Tidus is pld
autumn heron
he never used a shield
dim sigil
He did
oak pike
bucklers
woeful dagger
His Accessory is Buckler
somber storm
yup
oak pike
woeful dagger
It's more akin to Fordola
oak pike
tiny shields
woeful dagger
Than like PLD
dim sigil
I just need blizball glam for dnc
woeful dagger
Fordola used a buckl;er
oak pike
bitch shields in dark souls
iron scaffold
tidus uses a sword and shield
Wakka use a Ball, that's more interesting and Soldier is more of Cloud Strife/ Zack Fair
autumn heron
I cant wait for both Gaius and Fordola to be fighting side by side with us this xpac
dim sigil
Drk is just solider
woeful dagger
I cant wait for both Gaius and Fordola to be fighting side by side with us this ...
And both will die because someone has to die to get an emotional response and Tweet reactions every expansion
autumn heron
Im 100% sure Gaius will die
dim sigil
Why dont we have a solider uniform glam yet
oak pike
gaius will die
autumn heron
Fordola not so much
dim sigil
He will one day
iron scaffold
Drk is just solider
Were's Climb Hazard or Beam Blade?
oak pike
actually gaius cant die
woeful dagger
Fordola will die to do some weird shit like "oh if I explode next to Zenos we cancel the Resonant out"
high swan
Gaius will die because his voice actor is to costly
oak pike
he gives quests that is not msq
woeful dagger
And Zenos loses the Resonant so he can die for real
woeful dagger
Gaius will die because his voice actor is to costly
Bruh they've changed VAs like 3 times now
VAs don't matter at all in this game
autumn heron
I mean Ardberts VA was one of the leads in Game of Thrones
dim sigil
Were's Climb Hazard or Beam Blade?
7.0 cuz ff7
woeful dagger
Cid changed VAs this expansion lol
dim sigil
Nah
autumn heron
money isnt an issue in that department
autumn heron
he can still talk to us
oak pike
Ardbert made me feel existential dread in ShB
autumn heron
he did directly in 5.3
obsidian pagoda
Just don't invite Gaius to your weddings
iron scaffold
Cid changed VAs this expansion lol
I missed his Obi-wan vibe VA
oak pike
"we did everything right and we still fail"
woeful dagger
You're too bloody useful
oak pike
something like that
unkempt pagoda
Gaius is too hot to die though
dim sigil
Oh dont you dare think of dying
high swan
Did Cid change? Didn't even notice
dim sigil
Ansem Gaius was nice
autumn heron
"We did everything right....Everything that was asked of us and still...STILL it came to this."
oak pike
bro when ardbert lending you his strength at the end of ShB
oak pike
good acting right there
obsidian pagoda
Ardbert has the best VA so far change my mind
heady shadow
Balthier Urianger wa sgood. but its fine
high swan
I've had enough of Cid. He shows up everywhere. They should just kill him off
autumn heron
cant change ur mind ur right
woeful dagger
Ardbert has the best VA so far change my mind
How can that be true when the subtle Scandinavian Viis VAs exist
somber storm
Viera and viis voices
heady shadow
How can that be true when the subtle Scandinavian Viis VAs exist
i'll admit i didnt like her va till thats moment
*that
oak pike
honestly who ever have a sidequest is probably immune to dying in 6.0
obsidian pagoda
How can that be true when the subtle Scandinavian Viis VAs exist
It's true cause you're wrong
high swan
That Hrothgar guy also. In Ratiki
dim sigil
Russian cats
oak pike
unless they make the weapons story require
iron scaffold
I've had enough of Cid. He shows up everywhere. They should just kill him off
they off him in 6 and 12 and 13
obsidian pagoda
I don't really like Runar's voice tbh, Lyna was alright tho
autumn heron
Im almost 100% sure the Werlyt storyline will become MSQ to start 6.0
high swan
Scandinavian voice acting must have been on sale
somber storm
Subtle Scandinavian accents be hot
oak pike
i liked lyna
obsidian pagoda
Nothing will sound as good as Fran's Bjork voice from XII
oak pike
yeyeyee
heady shadow
then Feo Ul's VA need to reign in her scottish a little lol
woeful dagger
Scandinavian voice acting must have been on sale
No, they just wanted the two main lead Viis in ShB to match Fran's accent
obsidian pagoda
the XIV Scandinavian accents pale in comparison
somber storm
The viis sisters
woeful dagger
Just the main one has it. The other two have a very not-Scandinavian accent lol
oak pike
go all out Scottish
autumn heron
thats what REAL scottish people sound like
oak pike
want to feel threaten
autumn heron
its crazy
woeful dagger
thats what REAL scottish people sound like
Untrue because not enough cursing or making fun of my mam
heady shadow
ye i know a scottish person.
they gave a demonstraition of the insanity
I was ipressed
obsidian pagoda
Not enough "shites" to be true Scottish
woeful dagger
yo is Ryne's arm okay?
oak pike
high swan
They should make all the Lunarians have US accents for a laugh
autumn heron
obsidian pagoda
They should make all the Lunarians have US accents for a laugh
Nah that's the new world cowboy people
woeful dagger
They should make all the Lunarians have US accents for a laugh
Make them have Aussie accents so they talk upside down.
oak pike
tbh hate minfillia at the start of ShB then when she turned into ryne she became likable to me
woeful dagger
Edea is French in 8
high swan
Alright save the American accents for the new world. Stralians on the moon then
obsidian pagoda
Ishgardians have French names but they don't have the French accent so it's still free real estate
obsidian pagoda
Alright save the American accents for the new world. Stralians on the moon then
I won't even be mad lol
woeful dagger
I wonder if SE will do me a solid and have Gaia in 6.0 as well.