retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[deft burrow]

MY TURN

[heady shadow]

didnt seem to stop him fighting ardbert

[cinder badger]

Act like it's a big deal that he has to fight without magic

Every garlean they said that reality everyday

Just throw some magitek on it and call it a life hack.

What if Captain basch fon ronsenburg of dalmasca is the new job?

Do you think they'll ever make dalmasca visitable in the game or will they try to avoid making it a Game Zone for as long as possible while dodging any questions about it

[heady shadow]

rob avoiud it for now

[floral aurora]

The Sage is considered to be a powered-up version of the Red Mage job, but it lacks the physical offense in exchange for focusing on Black and White arts

But its a healer xD

All good

Was Reaper in a old ff game?

[teal geyser]

uhh

depends on how you define "reaper"

because "reaper" doesn't mean anything by itself

FFXI used scythes for Dark Knight though

[floral aurora]

Just recently found out Sage was in older games, idk about Reaper or Necromancer

[teal geyser]

also I guess you have Sice from Type-0

She was a pretty cool character

[floral aurora]

That's a badass weapon

[floral aurora]

But I doubt it be that long in ffxiv lol

[teal geyser]

IIRC she used the scythe and was mainly physical but she did use some kinda darky magick

[floral aurora]

Can't wait to see how it looks!

And wonder what they meant when we can tell the difference between pure healers and barrier healers. The icons changing?

[teal geyser]

I assume they just meant the way White Mage and Scholar works

[gaunt star]

the difference will be if you died or not

[teal geyser]

Scholar working mainly by applying shields

and pure healer by just raw healing

where Astro could kinda do either or

but they'll just straight up split them into the two types now

[maiden lodge]

Only in one game. Sage, like Scholar, and Dancer, has never really had one consistant job 'thing' in the same sense as Ninja (Dual Wields, throws ninjutsu), Black Mage (big elemental explosions), or Monk (fist fighter fighting with fists)

[maiden lodge]

What Calfirma said--this was always what they've meant by a barrier vs pure healer.

[floral aurora]

Imo the way they were describing barrier healer, makes me think it be more fun to dps on that instead of being on a pure healer job

[maiden lodge]

In practice, the 'pure healer' actually gets more potencies out of their casts, so the idea the 'barrier healer' has more time to dps is silly.

[gaunt star]

"Barrier healer has more time to dps" is really gonna be our bizarre pre-expac fixation this time isn't it

[maiden lodge]

Scholar had more time to dps in ARR because their primary heals, (Lustrate, Embrace, Whispering Wind), didn't scale with any stat nerfs (either being statless or pet scaled based on when she was summoned) and so they could park in Cleric Stance with impunity so long as they had aetherflow.

[floral aurora]

I just hope its like a Gunbreaker where it makes you feel like a dps in a healer role

Like how Gunbreaker is a tank but feels like a dps

[gaunt star]

GNB rotation is very distinctly a tank rotation

idk how people say it feels like a dps

[maiden lodge]

It feels like an ARR dps

[teal geyser]

Disgusting

[maiden lodge]

'Scholars only want one thing and it's fucking disgusting'

[cinder badger]

...is it Cleric stance? I'm sorry since I don't play healer all that often I really don't know the joke

[maiden lodge]

yeah

[cinder badger]

Uuuuugh noooo

I never did Thok around the Clock

So can anyone see the towers or do you have to be at that point in the msq?

[turbid aspen]

you have to be at that point

its like the everlasting light i guess

[cinder badger]

Does anybody want do a quick plow through ravana EX?

[onyx sundial]

its more dps than RDM

gnb's burst window is much more hectic than rdms tbh

[cinder badger]

This bites. If I had known doing this Quest was going to matter in a later expansion I would have actually done it when it was new

[unique verge]

I mean, just solo them

Unless you're a tank/healer it should be pretty easy

and even then, WAR has an easy time too

[somber storm]

Yeah you can pretty much solo that

[high swan]

Is the warring triad solvable?

Soloable

[unique verge]

Yes

[high swan]

I never did those back in the day

Any class?

[onyx sundial]

I think its not soloable

[unique verge]

I can say with absolute certainty that it is

because i did it to unlock the Void quests

[onyx sundial]

Not sure but im sure Sephirot ex isnt soloable except if youre a good tano

[somber storm]

Tano

[onyx sundial]

Oh if normal should be easy to solo

[unique verge]

I think they're talking about normal

[onyx sundial]

Tank*

[somber storm]

Normal is soloable

[unique verge]

EX is soloable too but much harder, of course

though idk if thats even true now that BLU is a thing

I was trying some shit with BLU last night

and i havent quite mastered the timing but i'm like 99% certain you can final sting kill Nael before the golem phase transition

Got her to ~2% on the sting a couple of times

[spiral wagon]

see i can solo her normal but extreme nael...i tried and couldnt get far

[unique verge]

Eh?

not sure we're talking about the same thing

there's no such thing as "extreme nael"

well, unless you count Ruby Weapon

lol

but cant undersize current content

[final isle]

there is savage nael

which is kinda like extreme but yeah not the same terminology for raids

[cinder badger]

I need a 2nd for Bis ex

Impossible to do without on a count of the adds that need to be kept apart

[unique verge]

You just need sufficient burst to kill one add before they tether

You can do it on WAR, as ive done it myself. Can do it on probably most any DPS too.

and i suspect BLU would probably just dumpster them

[final isle]

I've done it on PLD in 5.0, but it was kinda messy since the burst didn't fully kill one, so had to finish it when they were stacked, really slowly

GNB/WAR/DRK could all do it in 5.0, PLD can probably do it fine now with 500+ gear, or at least better

healers are gonna be somewhat sucky for it though

[unique verge]

Yeah healer would be the only role that would be shit at that

[floral aurora]

Fans: I want Chemist or Geomancer
SE: We present you Sage!
Fans: F Yeah!! Forget those other jobs!

[final isle]

and yeah BLU makes it a joke, I've done bismark EX twice for my khloe book now on BLU and it still takes 3+mins because of all the stupid cutscene and waiting but everything dies within seconds

I wish you could sting the body directly in the first phase, instead of having to hit the carapace

[unique verge]

Its kind of funny that BLU went from "its pretty good but whatever" to "this bursts twice as hard as my opener on my 80 DPS job without even using final sting"

[cinder badger]

@floral aurora I don't think people really cared about what the job was they just wanted a Healer which baffles me because most of them are DPS Mains anyway lol

[floral aurora]

Think most just want an actual fun healer

[cinder badger]

Well I don't think people would play healer if they didn't find it fun

[unique verge]

You underestimate the power of appealing to certain players senses.

[cinder badger]

Imagine getting on a video game and playing something you don't enjoy out of obligation.

[unique verge]

How many fucking "i've never played a tank before" GNB's did we get inundated with when that came out

[floral aurora]

I seen some switch to dps this expansion

[cinder badger]

@unique verge and how many tank mains we're more concerned about what their main tank was going to get in regards to changes rather than the shiny new job?

[unique verge]

Thats...only reinforcing my point

GNB primarily appealed to non-tanks

SGE seems to be primarily appealing to bored SCH's and non-healers

[cinder badger]

My Scholars level 70 and I might give it another go

[final isle]

considering we haven't seen shit about their kits, not really?

[cinder badger]

@final isle but they have Gundam funnels

[unique verge]

Its less about the kit and more about the theming and feel. GNB was pitched as "the DPS tank". SGE is being pitched as "the DPS healer"

even though its going to be balanced

[final isle]

which are a lot more appealing for DPS than a fairy

[cinder badger]

Who cares about mechanics and how they play they're new and shiny

[unique verge]

And really, even though WHM is the true "DPS healer" so to speak

[final isle]

but healers just wanted another healer, it's not really DPS specifically that wanted another healer

[unique verge]

SGE is very clearly being marketed to appeal to peoples DPS sensibilities

which is healthy for the game

because it gets more people who only play DPS to play another role

[deft burrow]

SAG*

[cinder badger]

For about a week

[deft burrow]

;)

[rain onyx]

PEW*

🔫

[deft burrow]

MCH

Hehehe

[wind bough]

What if healer but guns

[deft burrow]

What if necro but melee

[somber storm]

Neko necro

[deft burrow]

A reality

[unique verge]

I kind of feel like certain aspects of the community are going to become insufferable in a few months when its revealed

[cinder badger]

What if Moon but with oxygen

[unique verge]

the "Scythe Job" fanatics

anything that involves a piece of metal that isnt 100% a straight line is gonna be claimed as "See, its a curved blade, its a scythe"

lol

[deft burrow]

Sir that is a sword

ITS A SCYTHE

[cinder badger]

Wait! curve blade?

I GOT IT

[unique verge]

Yes, new job confirmed Redguard

[cinder badger]

The next job for Final Fantasy XIV online

[wind orbit]

BTN mains rise up

[cinder badger]

@unique verge dammit you beat me to it

[dim sigil]

New job is cnj cuz edda a had sytche

[cinder badger]

Curved swords

CURVED.
SWORDS.

Actually if they did Mystic Knight they could pull off curved swords and dual wield them

[unique verge]

That's a thought that's been floating around my head

[cinder badger]

And they could be from Thavnair

[unique verge]

since we're going to India Thavnair

[cinder badger]

Although we just got a Thav job in Dnc

[obsidian pagoda]

Something like this

[unique verge]

on account of that region of IRL being known for various curved blades

[dim sigil]

That's a nice scythe

[cinder badger]

@unique verge I thought it was more well-known for its dancers and Alchemy

[unique verge]

I'm referring to real world

[cinder badger]

@unique verge oh yeah

[unique verge]

Thavnair is pretty heavily based on India by appearances

[dim sigil]

Does galaxy have 100 coin stars

[unique verge]

and that region

[cinder badger]

It's Aht Urghan 2.0

[onyx sundial]

inb4 its spellfencer

[cinder badger]

@onyx sundial Mystic Knight

Honestly it's had different names all across the titles

Sorcerer Mystic Knight Rune Fencer

But Red Mage already slightly has a bit of that identity in its melee combo

Because it's not just attacking with a straight-up melee combo it's empowering the blade with magic which is why it does magic damage

[craggy gale]

simple

remove the damn red mage melee combo

[half phoenix]

Speaking of, Fleche and Contre Sixte aren’t magic damage.

They’re ranged physical damage for whatever reason

Also is alchemy indian? i thought it was from Greece or Rome, or somewhere in that stretch of southern-southeastern Europe

[heady shadow]

Egypt

[half phoenix]

Ah, opposite side of the Mediterranean

[somber storm]

Alchemy picked up in popularity in Europe though

[untold gull]

i vote for judge as new class just for shit and giggles

[unique verge]

I still think that or a "Legatus themed" job is a reasonable liklihood. We'll see.

Just based on the armor types and expansion theming

[wet crown]

Spellfencer would use Scouting gear

[obsidian notch]

https://youtu.be/Ym4Bw0-Qb7g

[untold gull]

honestly tho, even without the full song, i'm so glad husky got us covered with an awesome cover https://youtu.be/DdV4F4i6t3A

[icy dagger]

about the upcoming melee, did they give us some teaser like oh its gonna be melee with magic, something like that?
also since alphinaud changed into sage, will alisae get the other new class?

[unique verge]

The only official thing we know

[craggy pawn]

Well people speculate it might an scythe user

[unique verge]

is that its "heavily implied' to be on the Maiming armor set

[craggy pawn]

Because of yoshis tshirt

[unique verge]

because in an interview, Yoshi-P specifically referenced Dragoons unique gear situation as a reason for picking a melee

[icy dagger]

ah the tshirt theory

well yeah i heard it might be scythe user or templar because the name of the singer or something

[ruby hull]

based on the interview, it's not implied - it's confirmed to be Maiming

[unique verge]

Anything beyond that is pure speculation tinfoil madness

[ruby hull]

he clearly set they are fitting the new job into the Maiming slot

no way we get another nimble half naked melee

already got 3

[unique verge]

It's like 95%+ confirmed. He didnt specifically say it was going on maiming in those words but he may as well have.

[icy dagger]

which class uses maiming in the game? i only know casting or healing lol

[unique verge]

I just like to be specific on what is "confirmed" and not

[ruby hull]

only DRG

and outside of tanks, only DPS with heavy armor

[unique verge]

So Maiming is basically near-certain, and that's all we really know for sure

Anyone claiming "its going to use this weapon" or "its going to be this job" is speculating their ass off

[ruby hull]

one Grim Reaper job, then a Children of Bodom job

for fans of the band, this screams a scythe job

[icy dagger]

i see... well scythe user seems to fit the maiming armor since its used in staff based class

[ruby hull]

only picture that comes to mind is FF11 DRK

heavy armor DPS with Scythe

[icy dagger]

iirc yoshi p said in the livestream that it wont be necromancer? he said its far from it or something like that no?

[ruby hull]

only way it can be a Necro anyways is if they make it a Death Knight

unlikely imo

[strange summit]

s.c.y.t.h.e.

[ruby hull]

personally I see this hint as someone obvious like how Batman and Scarlet Witch were

there was no red herring for those

[untold gull]

won't be necro just for the fact that it goes against being the warrior of light

doesn't mean we can't have that weapon

[unique verge]

Necro presents alot of problems lore-wise

So it'll almost certainly never happen

[ruby hull]

what we need to speculate on is what the gimmick of the job will be

[untold gull]

also, before 6.0, are you all excited for yet another meeting with the leaders of the city states?

[ruby hull]

all we can base it on is something with heavy armor, dps and wields a scythe

[untold gull]

because it went very well the last time it was held

[unique verge]

Eh, the gimmick would be largely dependent on the weapon.

and im really not sold on scythe

It feels way too samey with DRG

[icy dagger]

i expect it to be elementalis lol

but its a big no i guess

[untold gull]

i'm gonna go with that judge weapon i posted yesterday, or some heavy ass weapon

with a large ass pommel

[ruby hull]

if anything scythe shows it is of the same family as DRG, but does the opposite thing

DRG has focused piercing strikes

Scythe cleaves widely

[unique verge]

Scythe is kind of a shit-tier weapon type compared to the DRG spears, yet would have significant similarity in animations

[ruby hull]

how so? DRG is a stinger

[untold gull]

~Haseo enters the chat

[ruby hull]

scythes are cleavers

[wet crown]

People speculate it because Zenos has a scythe next to his throne

[unique verge]

Zenos has "something" next to his throne

Anyone saying for certain that's a scythe is grasping hard

[ruby hull]

it's almost certainly a scythe if you take a close look

feel free to have a look

[untold gull]

i'm not sold on the scythe anymore tbh. if you look back to it, it doesn't curve right, the whatever stick it was was too thin and there was no blade on it

[unique verge]

Like, imagine if you will, a DRG holding a Scythe. You could see Chaos Thrust, Raiden Thrust, Coethan Torment, Wheeling Thrust, and to a certain degree Fang and Claw having animations that work.

[wet crown]

How can that not be the top of a scythe?

[ruby hull]

nothing is 100%

[untold gull]

because there's no blade to be seen

[ruby hull]

ofc it can't

[wet crown]

because the blade is hidden by the throne

[ruby hull]

look at the throne structure

it has horn-like wings to the sides

[unique verge]

Not only is no blade visible - but because of the angles involve, the curvature on the blade would have to be fucking ridiculous to the point of being useless as a weapon

[ruby hull]

you can see the weapon has a long handle to reach up there, then the blade has a curve and it continues past where the vision is blocked by the throne compartment

[icy dagger]

eh what is this thing u guys talking about? there is a pic about it?

the throne thing

[untold gull]

here. discuss.

just so we have visual aide

[icy dagger]

eh its zenos throne no?

[unique verge]

Okay, so, if you look at the angles involved there

[hasty totem]

Sumo wrestler

[unique verge]

One of two things is going on

[hasty totem]

not Necromancer.

[fallen girder]

wouldnt necro be a mage anyway

[unique verge]

Yeah necro would be a mage

[icy dagger]

whats with zenos and the new class?

[unique verge]

the fact that its on maiming pretty much rules that out

[untold gull]

zenos is heavily hinted to be the new class

[unique verge]

People assume, with nothing other than "he did it last time" and "he broke his katana" that Zenos will be the new job

[icy dagger]

ah i see, first time i hear about it

[wet crown]

No, Zenos is hinted towards the scythe. And that's where our speculation comes from.

[unique verge]

I see nothing in that picture that is evidence of a scythe

and i will maintain that stance even if it turns out to be a scythe

[wet crown]

Not to mention that maiming gear for a scythe user fits Zenos well. Since he always used heavier armor, too. And maiming gear is just tank armor with different stats

[unique verge]

Counterpoint - Zenos in all recent art / expansion art is shown wearing lightweight gear, not heavy armor.

[icy dagger]

it looks like a normal throne...
lol i was thinking perhaps zenos going to be class that sit on throne and pew pew everything from the throne but thats way too dumb

[wet crown]

you mean the brown suit?

true enough

[icy dagger]

like... can u touch me boi? feel the power boi, pew pew prw

[unique verge]

Yeah like

In the trailer he has some light armor on his hand/wrist, and everything else visible is cloth/leather looking

Doesnt really scream "armor a DRG would wear"

[wet crown]

He can still change outfits. But yes, a weak point

Well it's not like Striking gear is a perfect match for SAM and MNK

[unique verge]

Yeah but when a class has been sharing the Fending model for the past forever, generally you'd expect it to look more like his SB outfit if that was going to be a relevant point.

[untold gull]

honestly, i think his new outfit is important just for the fact they specifically mentioned how he had a change of wardrobe and we'll be seeing that on the digital fanfest

[unique verge]

As far as the throne goes, i think the problem is that because of the structure of the throne and angles involved - either the blade on that thing is pretty short, or curved to a ridiculous degree. Most of the "scythe believer" screenshots use one from further away.

[strange summit]

The French final fantasy XIV page on facebook has just published something a little strange. When we translate, it gives:

The world of #FFXIV is on the verge of the apocalypse. Do you think you can stand up as one man, and accept half of your sacrifice?

[unique verge]

"half of your sacrifice"

Zodiark has entered the chat

[strange summit]

We're going to release the Z-boi because only him can stop what Fandaniel will do

[kind lark]

Wait, is that referring to Ardbert?

[unique verge]

Okay, standby while i do some MSPAINT-tier editing of this. This is just before the relevant section of the throne pans out of view (rather than most of the screencaps that are taken much earlier)

[strange summit]

I don't know, they just posted this with a picture of our favorite Derplander

[untold gull]

i can't post mine but the blade would be either tiny, curved inward or is a retractable weapon

and i take back what i said about the handle, it's proportionate enough for someone to hold it

feel free to judge it tho, i can't draw holding the pen at the end

[fallen girder]

what if

hammer

[somber storm]

nah

[unique verge]

Okay so im basically at a similar result with my, again, mspaint-tier edit

[untold gull]

honestly, could be anything

[strange summit]

Mistral dealing hope like a boss

[unique verge]

If the visible lines continue at their current angles, you end up here (red circled area is a gap in the throne, just flagging that area as somewhere a blade cant curve through because you'd see it)

To me, proportionally, that looks more like a pickaxe than a scythe

in terms of blade length to handle length (assuming how long the handle would be from tis angle and Zenos sitting)

and if you try to curve it any further than that, you run into teh problem of it being impractical as a weapon as well as the gap in the throne.

So im really not sold on scythe at all

[untold gull]

i'm just not setting myself up for disappointment. it happened with not seeing chemist though what he got was just as good. i just don't want to hope for the melee dps

and it really could be anything at this point

[honest warren]

I’m somewhat sold on the idea of a scythe but the Zenos aspect of it kinda loses me

[unique verge]

Yeah like, t-shirt speculation is fine

But claiming that the trailer is hard evidence that zenos is a scythe user is a gigantic stretch

[somber storm]

New class be Minecrafter

[craggy pawn]

Miner zenos

[honest warren]

Zenos retires and becomes a DoL

[unique verge]

and the only way for that blade to be longer is for it to basically be a useless weapon

[kind lark]

You'll see him working on his on the sanctuary island

[untold gull]

what if

it's a mochi-pounding mallet

hear me out: moon rabbit pounding mochi

[honest warren]

🤔

[kind lark]

Who is his partner in the mochi pounding process?

[untold gull]

maybe he's waiting for his friend who recently returned from another world

[heady spear]

That certainly the handle end of the scythe (like a sword pommel I think?) , so the blade part is hidden by the chair

[kind lark]

on his farm, just woke up

[unique verge]

Are you implying that the visible part is the bottom of the shaft, and that the entire blade is obscured in the center of the picture? If so, sure, that's possible - but that also means that absolutely nothing in the picture actually indicates a scythe.

[unreal wadi]

Zenos miner class?

[unique verge]

which means it could be anything

[unreal wadi]

[heady spear]

Yes this is just assuming it's a scythe, since we got the reaper shirt hint

[untold gull]

another zoooom

[heady spear]

But it could be anything

[unreal wadi]

wdym

clearly its a pickaxe

he's gonna go mine for diamonds soon

[unique verge]

If that's the business end its at best pickaxe proportions.

if thats a counterweight/pommel then it could be any weapon whatsoever and we have nothing

Hence, why i'm anti scythe hype for now

[untold gull]

also, while zoomed, there's no blade visible there. notice the yellow light at the bottom that showed through the hole on the side of the throne

[unique verge]

Right. That's why i indicated it in my picture.

there's a section where a blade cant be

[honest warren]

I also just think it’s super weird to imagine Zenos without a katana

[untold gull]

OH

[unique verge]

which means its most likely a straight line rather than an aggressive curve

[untold gull]

i didn't see you mark it

[kindred meteor]

he's gonna be a minecraft gamer

[unique verge]

and if you look at those propotions, the length of the blade in my scenario would like

[somber storm]

Zenos is getting the eye of the spider

[untold gull]

if it's gonna be a scythe, it has one thin af blade

[unique verge]

not even exceed the length of his arm

that's a pretty shit scythe

[viscid monolith]

Well scythes are bad weapons so

[honest warren]

He’s handicapping himself /s

[strange summit]

It's a teaser trailer, they can hide details

[unique verge]

Yes, ive said that several times

I think Scythe is also stupid because its a dumb weapon

lol

[untold gull]

i like scythe

[craggy pawn]

I mean what if the slashes from it are magical.

[heady spear]

I'm going to draw it

[honest warren]

You say that but what happens when your sanctuary island gets attacked while you’re harvesting crops?

[unique verge]

Anything a scythe can do, a DRG spear can do better.

[strange summit]

Scythe rune fencer

Rdm fuck you all

[untold gull]

do it. just be mindful of the throne design

there's a hole on the side of the throne

[viscid monolith]

I'll grab a pitchfork because it'll be more effective than a scythe

[honest warren]

So like, I’m sure I just missed the discussion, but if that’s not some sort of bootleg scythe or whatever that Zenos has, then what even is it?

[viscid monolith]

Don't know

[unique verge]

No clue

[viscid monolith]

We'll see

[unique verge]

I just dont think its a scythe based on available evidence

[honest warren]

New Miner skysteel tool

[untold gull]

that's the handle with a pommel imo

[strange summit]

One hand axe and a shield

[unique verge]

Right if its a pommel that we're seeing rather than a blade

then it can literally be any two handed weapon

[strange summit]

Or two one hand axe

[untold gull]

well, someone in reddit saw it really but it does make sense

[strange summit]

They will call it Viking

A class coming from old Hrothgar way of fighting

[unique verge]

and to be clear, it can absolutely still be a scythe if that's a counterweight/pommel

and im not saying it absolutely isnt one or anything

just that there's no real evidence that it is

[untold gull]

just less of a chance it might be

not the 90% it was

[turbid helm]

Maybe the weapon is pointed inward? idk

[honest warren]

The best type of speculation is pure speculation

[turbid helm]

watch it not even be a weapon at all

Maybe it's his shake weight

[untold gull]

also, bear with me. i have a theory

[unique verge]

Too DRG-like

[turbid helm]

what even is that thing

[honest warren]

I’d be kinda disappointed if Zenos gave up katanas for a scythe as that katana revolver thing he has/had is unironically dope

[untold gull]

that's because it's a combined weapon.

[kind lark]

His golf bag?

[open verge]

Hasn’t had his golf bag since sb

[turbid helm]

ngl that weapon looks really lame

[untold gull]

[honest warren]

Dang I’m just spacing out then

Golf bag leaving is when it all went downhill

[untold gull]

where did he leave the golf bag?

is it in that fight in the village?

[honest warren]

On the golf course

[unique verge]

Hmm

[untold gull]

wait no, it was still after that, isn't it?

[unique verge]

He still has it when we fight him in Ala Mhigo im pretty sure

so he lost it when he died, i believe

[somber storm]

Ghimlyt

[turbid helm]

elidibus has it during the cinematic

[heady spear]

this is what i mean

[turbid helm]

so he left it there maybe

[somber storm]

Elidibus tossed it away

[honest warren]

Zenos with the full auto hammer confirmed?

[strange summit]

Nice sketch Noct

[unique verge]

Yeah Noct, and that's feasible for sure - just that if the blade is being hidden there, that means it can be nearly any type of two handed weapon, rather than definitely a scythe

[turbid helm]

yeah @heady spear , it looks like it's pointed inward

[kind lark]

He's got a shovel to dig our graves, damn that's cold

[turbid helm]

shovel knight job confirmed

[heady spear]

yes, while i want it to be scythe, it's still not confirmed

thats why i said it could be anything

[untold gull]

i know it's possible, but the hobby writer in me cringes at having the scythe blade set on the ground

[honest warren]

What if you started Endwalker and all you see is STEEL THY SHOVEL

[untold gull]

lol

[heady spear]

what do you expect from a guy who step on his katana

[spare warren]

Zeno is gonna burry us?? didn't know he was Tripple H

[unique verge]

oh lawd are we going there?

Grim reaper references

scythe references

[untold gull]

also, i would be laughing my ass off if it's some deadly variation of the mochi-pounding mallet

[unique verge]

you know what this means right

THIS is the new job

[heady spear]

ahaha it was a hammer, but now that i look at it it do kinda looks like a shovel

[unique verge]

https://tenor.com/view/wwe-coffin-world-wrestling-entertainment-gif-17903370

[turbid helm]

https://imgur.com/5YoGs

[honest warren]

Zenos is teasing the new Snow shoveler DoL job

Ishgard exclusive

[untold gull]

lol, or maybe a limited job grave digger

[honest warren]

A new limited job would be wild since square enix lives in fear of BLU becoming too powerful

[unique verge]

BLU already got too powerful

lol

[untold gull]

becoming too powerful

[turbid helm]

maybe it's a shovel related to the new farmer minigame

[honest warren]

You get my point

Endwalker is one big ad for Island Sanctuaries

[unique verge]

BLU be like "I'm going to casually double the DPS of your opener on your 510 level 80 DPS job"

[turbid helm]

SE trying to capitalize off that animal crossing hype

[untold gull]

i really like the idea of it. not having a house, that's one thing i just wanted them to let us have in apartments

[turbid helm]

BLU is so damn fun

[unique verge]

I've been trying to get it just right

but i think BLU can now kill Nael before meteor phase transition

[turbid helm]

eww nael

always hated trying to solo that bitch

[honest warren]

Haven’t bothered with BLU yet as I’m still catching up with content

[royal scroll]

use BLU for content

Main BLU

[honest warren]

Can I tho? I gotta like still unlock Eden raids and nier ones too, as well as catch up with relic

[rough kestrel]

Whatever Zenos is

He'll be the Melee DPS

He's not going to try casting, he likes physical confrontation

[unique verge]

I still think thats a pretty big presumption.

He'll be melee, but i think its a big jump to say he'll be "the new melee"

[rough kestrel]

Given the understanding I have of Zenos, he'll be melee, I think he'll be the melee but it always is possible he wont be

My point was though that he'll never be a caster

Or like ranged

Just like WoL

[unique verge]

He should be incapable of being a caster in the traditional sense anyway, even with his hacked echo powers

Still a Garlean

[open verge]

He should be able to cast magic

[gaunt star]

https://i.redd.it/coqxpds1hvg61.png

[spare warren]

pew pew pew pew pew

I'm healing

[turbid helm]

cauterizing wounds is a form of healing

[unique verge]

Killing people who are trying to kill your friends is a form of healing.

[honest warren]

Don’t need to heal if you kill them before they can do damage

[unique verge]

Alphinaud spots a Garlean about to take a swing at Alisaie and guns them down with flying guns of doom. Camera pans. "I specialize in..." adjusts sunglasses "Preventative Medicine"

[honest warren]

explosions ensue

[glossy vale]

Gunbreaker intensifies

Well, tank
Instead of healing

[unique verge]

More like WAR

with Flash/Glint

"How do I heal my friends? Literally by killing my enemies."

[surreal veldt]

Killing is just healing with fewer steps

[scenic sun]

Honestly ||I think Estinien is going to bite the bullet in this Expac||

[unique verge]

That seems nearly-100% confirmed to be false

Since, you know

He's going to be a Tust

*trust

[fallen girder]

||he can't die, he'll be in trusts||

2slow

[scenic sun]

||True, but here's what hits me, the first Dragoon debuted in 2 and died in 2||

[unique verge]

[scenic sun]

Honestly it's just me being a crackhead theorycrafter. I just wanted to throw this out so i can get it out of my system

[fallen girder]

Can we kill off yshtola already

[scenic sun]

that's true

she's been suffering for 3 expacs

[fallen girder]

People will never see it coming cuz shed always bs her way out of it

[unique verge]

Players would absolutely riot if they gave you the option to grind his Trust EXP up to 90 and then immediately killed him.

So yeah

Not gonna happen

[scenic sun]

I mean Fighting Games still have canonically dead characters in their rosters

It's like saying if you finish Xrd's story Bedman would be removed but nope still playable same with Jack O

[kindred meteor]

we've thought yshtola's been dead or gone like 3 times now

[scenic sun]

Same with Thancred

[unique verge]

That's not really the same

[pulsar yacht]

I'll take your loldrg and raise a star ocean ||where on the moon hydaelyn and zodiark esplode each other and destroy the source along with the both of them but the WoL resurrects it with the power of friendship and conveniently placed computer to make it a simulation so nobody thinks anything happened||

[unique verge]

Y'shtola basically is only alive because plot armor

[scenic sun]

PFFt i would rage if that were the case

We've been in the grid nononono IT'S LITERALLY THE DQ YOUR STORY ENDING

[pulsar yacht]

(I'm referring directly to star ocean 2 btw)

[gaunt star]

I want them to kill off all the scions

[random ravine]

you mean how she survived the end of ARR betrayal? or is there another reason she should have died

[unique verge]

Spoilers.

[wind orbit]

i wonder how much FFX content/references Endwalker will have

im hopeful that we will get some more along with Anima

[severe brook]

Magus Sisters could be a mix of an FF4 Reference and an FF10 reference

[random ravine]

I think people are saying the FFXIV iteration is more inspired by the FFIV version

of magus sisters

[gaunt star]

Hello guys, after a few days Yoshi P. finally spoke to me in m dreams again.

This time, he told me to tell everyone to stop talking about scythes for some reason.

[subtle pasture]

Is it sickles

[gaunt star]

Possibly.

[severe brook]

they do look a lot more like their FF4 design

but the kind-of-insectoid faces could be alluding to their 10 design

[gloomy shale]

maybe it's a rake and and new duty of land job

[cinder badger]

I still need to finish Bismarck extreme

[severe brook]

and Zhu Baije will be the Job Mentor

[cinder badger]

Maybe the new job is archaeologist and that's why the skeleton

[gloomy shale]

I'd dig an archaeologist job

[twilit peak]

Maybe it's a play on the necromancer where they resurrect ancient dinosaurs

[gloomy shale]

Dinomancer

[twilit peak]

There you go

[random ravine]

It will be called decepticon

[cinder badger]

You see the filth and the Fury

The filth is because you're digging in the dirt for bones

And the fury is the player base is collective anger for it being a gathering job rather than a fighting job

So now that I can confirm keyboard and mouse will work on my PlayStation 4 I just need to get a proper setup. Like a desk or something

[cinder badger]

The first two don't make any sense

[tranquil otter]

I found this

The first one maybe but why not the second one?

[cinder badger]

Because according to yoshi-p isn't heavensward actually supposed to resemble a clear blue sky?

God I will never get used to seeing ground Reflections on this game

[tranquil otter]

I mean, I guess I get what you mean, but when you think of dragons, I would think the first couple things that people think (aside from fire) is like wind and cyclones tornadoes etc.

[cinder badger]

When I think of dragons I think of treasure because they're usually guarding a hoard

[tranquil otter]

Well.... Lol

People think differently I suppose. It made sense to me, aside from the first which I agree is a little random.

[cinder badger]

Urianger, expert on souls.

lol

[pastel flame]

I know this theory isn't new, but I haven't see people talk about the bit I circled here. Can anyone else re-watch the trailer and tell me if the bit I circled in red looks like the tip of a Scythe to you?

So that would mean the Scythe is laying blade down, and the bit everyone was talking about is actually the pommel/counterweight.

It might be hard to see, but following the motion of the camera pan you can definitely see the bit sticking out in the red circle isn't part of the chair/floor.

[strange summit]

SCYYYYYYYYYYYYTHE

[cinder badger]

People are so determined to convince others. I say we just wait till the reveal because the more and more people try to convince others that their answer is correct the more it's going to sting if it turns out to be incorrect

That's why I'm just having fun with it creating random theories

[pulsar yacht]

"Blue Skies of Ishgard" was the HW title byline because of the pattern of theme colour + scenario theme that was never pushed in the english promo materials (in the case of hw, sea of clouds, sky pirates, azys lla end zone etc)

[cinder badger]

I remember seeing in his description of each title that the literal translation was a "cold blue sky" correct?

On that little PowerPoint presentation they had

[pulsar yacht]

Souten No Ishgard (蒼天のイシュガルド) I suppose could be that

[cinder badger]

A Realm Reborn with something like sunrise. Stormblood was Crimson Twilight and shadowbringers was the black of night

And and Walker supposed to be a new dawn

[pulsar yacht]

yeah (and endwalker is new dawn)

[cinder badger]

Or you could say

A NEW DAY

[mellow delta]

HW: Winter
SB: Spring
SHB: Summer
EW: Autumn

[cinder badger]

I wonder if Xavier Woods ever watches the live letters or the showcases

Because if he does he probably laugh at the "New Dawn" bit

[twilit peak]

That's very convincing but just because zenos uses the weapon does not necessarily mean we will too

If that's the case then it is comeing out of the blue

[cinder badger]

I wonder when they'll give the warrior of light a fine full dignified beard. One that commands respect and projects thoughtfulness and dignity.

And when he strokes The Beard thusly... he shall appear more intellectual

So everybody should know

Do not pair gun breaker with sage

[twilit peak]

Guys I figured it out

[empty moss]

6.1 Garlean Restoration

[oak pike]

Spread eagle to be comfy

[cinder badger]

So when's the expansion to save the 13th?

It's gonna happen, and you can count on Yayayo being there for it because if the void is involved, she's in 100%

:D

Also do you think there are grapes in the void?

[empty moss]

ofc

[empty moss]

Void Grapes

[viscid glade]

ffxiv endwalker: sage

[empty moss]

grows into a tree

that then never shuts up about the void

https://youtu.be/w31aNm_R90M

[unique verge]

wtf is that

like, what is this voice acting

it feels like symphony of the night tier

lol

[woven escarp]

have at you!

[ruby hull]

is there a chance Zenos wields....two scythes?

there is a hilt connected to the blade on the upper side of the throne and then there is a blade on the lower side too

[unique verge]

There's a chance he weilds literally anything

[ruby hull]

I mean sure, even if it's not a scythe for some reason, I'm quite baffled as to what it could be

[woven escarp]

I think they kept it hidden on purpose

I don't think a scythe is zenos' thing though, it's kind of a slow weapon and it doesn't have any cool flashy moves

[unique verge]

Also, just gonna throw this side-thought out there on that

A scythe is, if you ignore how actually dumb it is as a weapon

In fantasy-settings generally good at AoE-type things

Not exactly what i'd expect a man to pick as a weapon whose focus is fighting exactly one person

[cinder badger]

A lot of weapons used in fantasy are dumb

I want to see somebody in real life try to carry a massive sword like the shit Dark Knight uses

They'll just be flailing around like a moron

[unique verge]

There's a difference between unrealistic and unuseful

If you were strong enough to carry a DRK sword, it would be very effective

No amount of "i'm strong" makes a scythe not a dumb weapon type

[cinder badger]

It's quite unrealistic to weild the sort of that size. It's not practical

[woven escarp]

I mean, the claymore is basically just a big metal stick

there's no reason to sharpen it as finely as, say, a colichemarde

being hit with a 2 meter long metal stick is good enough to kill you

[cinder badger]

Try not to hit yourself in the process

[woven escarp]

🤔

how hard is it to not hit yourself with a big metal stick

[unique verge]

Seems pretty easy to avoid, tbh

[surreal veldt]

Nxt class is just gonna be us hitting em with the blunt of our guns

[cinder badger]

It depends on the size of the blade as well as the weight if you tried to use anything similar to what a dark knight uses in this game you're going to have a very bad time

[woven escarp]

zenos seems like the kind of person who would just try to go full bear hands and rip your soul out with some kind of stupid magic juju

[kind lark]

Is there a claymore model for drk sword?

There's a zweihander

[viscid monolith]

I think one of the anima stages is a claymore

@kind lark Let me check

[cinder badger]

But honestly to complain about impractical unrealistic an unconventional Weaponry in a fantasy world where that stuff is commonplace is pointless so stop bitching about scythes being used as weapons. In this game you can stand up to giant magical monsters summoned with prayer and energy wearing nothing but a bikini

[viscid monolith]

!itemglam Lost Allagan Claymore

[lusty shadow]

**Lost Allagan Claymore** **:** Dark Knight's Arm

Images of glamour items by Gamer Escape.

[unique verge]

I'm bitching about it because it doesnt make any sense to me

[viscid monolith]

@kind lark here's a fancy one

[cinder badger]

Neither does standing up to 10 story tall monsters wearing nothing but a fucking bikini

[woven escarp]

it's just not a weapon style that would make sense for zenos to use

[unique verge]

In fairness, that's an illusion.

[woven escarp]

when has zenos ever been about big sweeping movements

[unique verge]

You're not actually doing that

[woven escarp]

instead of just chopping your face off

[cinder badger]

It's all an illusion it's a fantasy video game

[viscid monolith]

!iglam Dreadwyrm Claymore

[lusty shadow]

**Dreadwyrm Claymore** **:** Dark Knight's Arm

Images of glamour items by Gamer Escape.

[cinder badger]

You're trying to use real-world logic as an argument for a video game you already lose

[viscid monolith]

Another one

[unique verge]

That's nonsense.

[kind lark]

Looks cool, I could've sworn that I saw someone with the classic claymore with the circles

[unique verge]

It's perfectly reasonable to talk about how a weapon would physically function

[viscid monolith]

Oh let me track down a normal one

[cinder badger]

And yet it's been seen time and again

[kind lark]

I have a soft spot for large swords.

[ocean geode]

"its magic, I aint gotta explain SH---"

[viscid monolith]

!iglam Mythril Claymore

[lusty shadow]

**Mythril Claymore** **:** Dark Knight's Arm

Images of glamour items by Gamer Escape.

[cinder badger]

You act like this is the first time a scythe has been used as a weapon.

[viscid monolith]

Is this what you want?

[kind lark]

Guts' dragonslayer will always be cool

[woven escarp]

as far as I know, zenos is already the new maiming gear job in the trailer, but it doesn't seem like the kind of weapon zenos would use in his EPIC DUEL with the WOL

[kind lark]

Oh yeah that's the one

[woven escarp]

scythes are impractical weapons, but ultimately the issue is that zenos' characterization doesn't really work with a scythe

[unique verge]

And even if you buy into the fantasy bullshit aspect.

Its just not really a particularly sensible choice - both from a "in-game why would you use this if you literally only care about fighting one person" and also from a "how do you possibly make a WoL vs. Zenos cutscene work" perspective

[tough fern]

[viscid monolith]

Easy

We lose a 24 man and they spend those t and resources crafting a WoL vs Zenos cutscene for every combination of race, sex and job

[unique verge]

Eh, given the 24 mans that we've gotten so far, a bit of a crap shoot as to if anything of value would be lost.

[tough fern]

People would be pretty upset about that

[unique verge]

Yes I'm mostly just sarcastically throwing shade at 24 mans

In case wasnt obvious

[tough fern]

Oh not that, was commenting on what Lance said

[unique verge]

Return to Ivalice was good. CT was eh. Mhach was.....not great.

[tough fern]

Mhach was somewhat interesting only because of Diabolos. Was neat to run into him again after the encounter within Ampdapor city

[subtle pasture]

Ozmaaaaa

And Scathach’s design

[obsidian notch]

Any idea what new pally skill we will get?

[unique verge]

No

[obsidian notch]

I hope we get divine shield

[unique verge]

.....

[obsidian notch]

[pulsar yacht]

Can take shot in the dark guessing but wont mean much until media tour and job trailer

Assuming pld 90 sticks with physical and magic combos for its rotation can reasonably expect both to be upgraded and a physical finisher to take the role of confetti

[obsidian notch]

I know change riot blade to blade of justice

[unique verge]

[viscid monolith]

It was super hypothetical

[cinder badger]

https://youtu.be/xuWkvyeAu0E

[deft burrow]

Pld gets its raise

At lvl 90

[cinder badger]

"Wanna fly on the backs of whales? How about a trip to the MOOOOOOOON?!?!"

[barren karma]

My prediction for the end of Endwalker......the WOL is out of work so he and Zenos open up a cake shop on the moon ❤️

[cinder badger]

@barren karma the real final boss is sakaguchi himself

His ultimate goal is to finally destroy Final Fantasy

[barren karma]

@cinder badger Mwhahaha yes! And we finally get Trust (non cannon) NPC weddings. 😉

[cinder badger]

This video is hilarious though

FFV: "The main characters name is BUTZ!"

BRILLIANT!!!

Final Fantasy 7

The world is dead.
Humanity lives under a giant pizza in the sky.

No magic. NO. They have rocks.

And everyone's mean. Except for this one.... will just make her a girl. And then we'll murder the girl.

We'll just murder the girl....

[obsidian notch]

I wish monk new skill allow us to surplex mobs

[cinder badger]

Honestly I don't think sakaguchi would have gone along with this joke if there wasn't some sort of truth to it

[obsidian notch]

Because I want to surplex a train

[cinder badger]

I don't think monk needs new skills until they figure out what to do with old ones

[gloomy shale]

Is there another tier of gear coming or just the Bozja set ?

[cinder badger]

Like what was their reason for taking grease lightning out and just making it a passive

Especially because it gave fists of wind a purpose Beyond moving faster

Job action showcase.

Everybody sees that fourth greased lightning stack and cheers.
Four patches later and they just remove it entirely.... what?

[pulsar yacht]

Makes mnk a lot more playable to not have to MUH STACKS

Tk and 6side star were kinda crappy feeling also before the intern changes

[cinder badger]

Which I agree does make it easier to play a monk but they went One Direction and then the complete opposite direction in the course of one expansion

And now it's the wind it's kind of back to being a useless action in my opinion

Like extra move speed... yay?

[pulsar yacht]

That and really needing better identity since gl was a relic of pugalist while monk job quests were all the chimichangas

[cinder badger]

Fists of Earth is really used mostly for solo.... and fists of fire is the go-to stance. I really think they just need to remove the fist stances from Monk

[pulsar yacht]

And there wasnt really a logical explanation why keep so much pug mechanics over into monk

[cinder badger]

Greased lightning still exist though

It's just now passive

You get the full benefit of grease lightning instead of stacking it

[unique verge]

There was next to no good reason for the stacks to exist though

[pulsar yacht]

That would make sense along with a way to remove positionals for casual play (and reward players who did do them) but se has always been opaque when it comes to what the intended way to play is outside the really awful guide that was released in japan only

[cinder badger]

And I feel like there's next to no good reason to have fists of earth wind and fire. They've tried different ways to add Unique Mechanics to each one and none of them stuck

[unique verge]

Intended way to play MNK :

1. Unequip Soul of the Monk
2. Equip a different weapon type

[cinder badger]

Going back to 1.0 and the original design for pugilist. They were supposed to exclusively rely on positionals as each positional provided Buffs and debuffs to themselves or their targets. But then somewhere down the road they just decided to make melee DPS in general positional based

Pugilist was supposed to be kind of a mix between Final Fantasy XI Monk and Thief jobs

Which I'm glad didn't stick because that would have been awkward and clunky

[royal scroll]

When I was a wee lad back in HW and leveling Pug for the first time, my only melee at the time, I thought it was very interesting. Bouncing and juking around enemy attacks like a real fighter would. Trying to predict the next move and get into position for it. Felt much better then WoW Monk imo

[cinder badger]

Though some of the ideas from the original design did sound neat and I'm kind of sad they didn't stick.

Like Lancer having an extended range or Archer being able to use different Arrow types for different situations

[gaunt star]

So

My best guess on the new mDPS

will be a scythe wielding Beastmaster

With maiming gear

Cause that's the only job I can think Zenos would change to

[flat merlin]

[unique verge]

How provocatively unique of a prediction.

[cinder badger]

Shhhh don't use the word Scythe in front of@unique verge

[unique verge]

Dont forget to pick up your membership card on the way past.

[gaunt star]

The only other jobs taht used that weapon were DRK, WAR, and BLM back in FXI

All the other jobs are in FFXIV and we got specific weapon locks

[cinder badger]

Also it isn't going to be Beastmaster

[kind lark]

Give us Lyon as mentor

[cinder badger]

They struggle enough with balancing pet jobs like Summoner and Scholar

And not about to throw in a third

[half phoenix]

Why on earth would Zenos “kill my target and you die” be a Beastmaster????

[gaunt star]

Cause he'll see the beasts of the Final Days as anotehr weapon

Dispose of them if they're useless

[half phoenix]

No, he wants to kill us with his own hands

[royal scroll]

What about Judge? Just lean into a "Judge of life and death" and give him the Scythe. He judges everyone unworthy. Mix up some reaper/necro powers along with the edicts. Zenos already loves dropping Edicts on people "Touch the WoL an die" type deals. He did it a lot in StB

[cinder badger]

Yeah he doesn't want somebody to do the dirty work for him he wants to do it himself

[gaunt star]

And I can see the pet balancing argument being a valid reason, but like Rakarrak said- he's not the type to let another do his work

THis job might be closer to Ran'jit actually

The reaper shirt Yoshi had was a red herring half way

[half phoenix]

It’s just Reaper.

[unique verge]

Ugh, Ranjit again.

Brace for the same picture to be reposted.

[half phoenix]

Both shirts lead to Reaper

[royal scroll]

Spoilers, it's actually Skeleton. You get bone and calcium based powers.

[cinder badger]

Okay guys let's stop we're upsetting him

[gaunt star]

Reaper would absolutely fit Zenos!!

... Oh fuck really

Grim Reaper gimmick?

REALLY SQUARE XD

[unique verge]

I like how everyone keeps on calling the job Reaper as if this is a pre-existing job with a defined set of actions

[half phoenix]

Well slightly correction: it’s basically going to be reaper, they might give it some odd alternative name though

[gaunt star]

Well, it could be a XIV original job like how they're repackaging Sage

[kind lark]

Ran'jit comes back to life in 6.0

[half phoenix]

Or Astrologian

[cinder badger]

Ranjit is dead and he will remain dead

[gaunt star]

He better

[royal scroll]

I did see Corsair as a suggestion with some backing evidence. Just obtuse enough to be a Yoshi Shirt hint

[gaunt star]

Corsair?

[unique verge]

Corsair still makes no sense for Maiming though.

[gaunt star]

Maiming=Heavy/Medium armor right?

[half phoenix]

Remember, Astrologian wasn’t a thing at all prior to Heavensward, then Bravely Default 2 had it as a job after HW’s release

[gaunt star]

And tactics!

Maiming is tank armor with one pauldron taken off

LAWL

[half phoenix]

No. maiming is just DRG’s armor they never bothered to get rid of from 1.0

[royal scroll]

Something like, the one shirt relates to Sex PISTOLS and the other shirt a band with Hex in the name. Like the Hexgun they use. Something like that

[cinder badger]

@half phoenix it was a thing it just wasn't called astrologian

[half phoenix]

What was it then?

[gaunt star]

In Tactics

it was called AST

[half phoenix]

And the full name?

[gaunt star]

Astrologian

It was one of the unit job types in FFTactics

Oh god someone's comment on a FFXIV video

[half phoenix]

Could have sworn they said it was a 14 original. Meh whatever

[cinder badger]

"The Astrologian is thematically similar to the Time Mage job."

[gaunt star]

"I mean, a scythe and a flail are the natural counterpicks to a sword and shield"

Bruh did those sticks ever have a flail?

[uneven cape]

dude a flail job could be cool

I think I just like flails

[half phoenix]

They’re focusing on flails because “templar” >_>

Like guys, we already have templars

[gaunt star]

Ahhhh

Templars = Paladins with a two hander right?

[half phoenix]

Templars = Temple Knights = Paladins

[cinder badger]

@half phoenix I didn't know Paladin's could apply zombification

[gaunt star]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzsjeoMb96Q

[half phoenix]

Basically knights with clubs/morning stars

[thin crypt]

6.0 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/100463940835762176/784514661424955463/unknown.png

[half phoenix]

Thematically Templar and Paladin is the same job in terms of real world inspiration

[cinder badger]

Okay but previous games still had Knights and Templars as two separate jobs

We're not talking about the Real World we are talking about Final Fantasy

[kind lark]

What would wol be crusading for? virtual pope?

[uneven cape]

e girls

[royal scroll]

They mostly just needed a bunch of words for "Melee armor guy who hits the enemy mans"

[gaunt star]

.... Hold on

BLM- but with a scythe

Bam- Reaper

[half phoenix]

Just if the person in the armor was more particle to swords or impact weapons, the latter taking less skill to immobilize opponents, while the former you needed to get through the openings in armor joints

[cinder badger]

And in previous Final Fantasy games Templars were not like paladins do they could use Magic and we all Heavy Armor the types of magic they used were different

Templars could actually use the zombie spell

And zombify targets

They were more like debuffers

[half phoenix]

Yes, let’s just zombify bosses >_>

[uneven cape]

Zombify them and you would use healing spells to damage them'

[cinder badger]

That wasn't my point. The point is Templars are not like Paladin

The Templar job is a physical class can also use status-inflicting spells. Among playable characters, it is exclusive to Beowulf Cadmus.
In the War of the Lions port, Aliste Rosenheim is also a Templar.

[kind lark]

If reaper is a thing it will have similar themes to blm. being misunderstood

[cinder badger]

Paladins were not known for inflicting status effects. They were known for using white magic for healing and raising while still technically being a knight

[barren karma]

I do wonder what the 2nd job will be

[half phoenix]

Something Reaper

[uneven cape]

I have a strong feeling it will be Reaper or something along those lines

[half phoenix]

Zenos has a scythe, he’s watching death and destruction around him

[barren karma]

I wonder if it'll be tank or dps o.o

[gaunt star]

And tehre's the real DPS Healer XD

[half phoenix]

Melee DPS....

[gaunt star]

Confirmed mDPS already XD

[uneven cape]

FInally giving the people what they want

[half phoenix]

They literally said its role in the showcase

[gaunt star]

(was hoping for new caster)

[barren karma]

ohhh well yay mele dps!

[half phoenix]

Yea, we needed a new caster instead

[cinder badger]

The more I read about the Templar from previous games the more I can actually see it being a thing. Because Templar is similar to The Mystic Knight or the runic fencer

[gaunt star]

Remember as you're arguing what attributes jobs must have based on what they do in other games that SAM is a DPS and DRK is a tank in XIV

[cinder badger]

"Templar, also known as Temple Knight, is a special job from Final Fantasy Tactics. It is Beowulf's default job, and is a mix of physical and magickal classes, using a sword to cast offensive magick. It is an extraordinarily powerful Mystic who needs a sword to access the abilities that target one unit instead of having area of effect, but with the benefit of not having a charge time and with a higher hit rate."

[half phoenix]

Then 7.0 would have 1 class, a ranged DPS, then no more. All roles would have 4 classes

[acoustic sail]

Does 6.0 add DX12 support?

Or ray tracing

[half phoenix]

I doubt it

[barren karma]

I wish it would add a HD texture pack for PC -_- one can dream......

[uneven cape]

They would also have to add another ranged physical for that to happen

[half phoenix]

DX12 is still having problems for some people in other games

[acoustic sail]

I think 7.0 might be the first expansion without any new jobs

[gaunt star]

We also need a class that shares gear with ninja at some point

[half phoenix]

Nah

[acoustic sail]

Itll probably go No Job Expac > Job Expac > no Job expac, etc

[uneven cape]

Nah, its probably gonna be 1 new job per expac

[half phoenix]

Again, just REMOVE maiming and scouting

[gaunt star]

Easier to remove a piece of gear than an entire set

[barren karma]

well I mean if we save everyone after Endwalker....the next job might be Barista 😉

[cinder badger]

Keep in mind that even the developers said that they could make an expansion and not release any new jobs

A new expansion doesn't have to mean new jobs

[half phoenix]

Stat spreads are the same, and there literally no difference between scouting and aiming, they even have the same armor values, because realistically the only attacks that should be hitting a dps, are stacks, single targets like Earthbreakers, and raid-wides

[gaunt star]

They'll remove bard because they can't figure out how to balance the songs

[half phoenix]

Nah

They won’t remove a class

[uneven cape]

I dont know why we just cant go back to 4.x bard, cuz that seemed great

[gaunt star]

They basically did remove bard for about 2 weeks during 5.0

[half phoenix]

If they would, they’d fix SMN/SCH by now

[cinder badger]

I don't know why Bard couldn't have been Ranger

[river hull]

I hope White mage gets Great Gospel as a new ability. Coolest Final Fantasy spell not in the game yet

[half phoenix]

Because Bard is more iconic?

[royal scroll]

4.x was only good near the end of a tier though, when your relative crits were getting super high. Until then it was awful to play

And once it felt good, it was way better then it had any right to be

[next marsh]

i kinda hope they drop egis their ai is really crappy

[gaunt star]

Egis need a rework

Tbh, if we dont get a new summon but instead summon demi Ifrit/garuda/titan I'd be ok with that

[river hull]

I think he means Rangers have more to do with Archers and Bard could have been an expansion class

[gaunt star]

Leveling up the egis though I can get behind

I feel like the Egi's should get stronger as you level, but they dont feel like they do

[cinder badger]

So is Ranger?

[uneven cape]

So I had an idea about the egis which might make things worse but idk\

[cinder badger]

Ranger has been on 3, 5, and 11

[gaunt star]

It can't be worse than they already are

[half phoenix]

Yes but Bard was in 1.0 where they probably were just thinking “how the hell to do we fix this mess” as the sub numbers constantly dropped

[uneven cape]

So what if instead of just choosing between Ifrit and Garuda, what if you had the 3 out at the same time

And they would function more like an extension of your weapon

[gaunt star]

I could see that being a capstone skill

[river hull]

If they add Ranger at some point he should get crossbows instead of bows. Can't change what is done

[cinder badger]

Until yoshi-p was put in charge there were no jobs only classes

[half phoenix]

No. You want more nonsense to micro in fights?

[cinder badger]

He could have made Ranger instead of bard

[half phoenix]

And again, bard is more iconic

[next marsh]

honestly this would even be okay if they redid some of the animations so that summon pops out for like 3s and you do the coresponding summon attack.

[river hull]

I mean 1.0 was crap so glad Yoshi p was put in charge

[cinder badger]

How is Bard iconic?

[gaunt star]

Yeah, the delay on Egi's is really bothering

[river hull]

Bards have been a fantasy staple before Tolkien was in his mom's womb

[uneven cape]

Bard is sort of a staple in fantasy for a while now

[half phoenix]

Look at most other fantasy stories

[gaunt star]

You can't press aetherpact too quickly or else it wont go off

[uneven cape]

What with DnD and such

[floral aurora]

Hope Bard gets a bane like skill in 6.0

[gaunt star]

It needs one

[half phoenix]

Nah

[uneven cape]

It should be a really insulting shout

[river hull]

You could go all the way back to The Knights of The Round Table and find bards. That's how iconic they are to fantasy

[royal scroll]

"Ranger" is mostly a DnD construction based off a single character in LOTR that the original DnD creators thought was cool and wanted to make as a character. Like having a sephiroth class. All the stuff westerners generally associate with "Ranger" fall under either a generic hunter, archer, or "Elf"

[next marsh]

this does happen alot gets really bad when you are waiting for this as you are about to summon phoneix

[gaunt star]

Having to apply your dot on 20+ enemies individually in a pull is insane

[cinder badger]

But in most of those stories Bards aren't archers. Archers tend to be hunters or Rangers

[half phoenix]

Just a couple multi-target dot attacks

[royal scroll]

If you look at western themed JRPGs you're more likely to find an "Elf" class then a "ranger" class

[cinder badger]

Which can be another Staple in the fantasy world

[uneven cape]

And even then in DnD Rangers are sort of a weird mix of druid, fighter and some stuff from rouge

[gaunt star]

I usually go with EGI 1- Wyrmwave. EGI 2- Aetherpact. EGI 3- Enkindle. Egi 4- End dreadwyrm and go into Bahamut with immediate casting of enkindle bahamut while casting ruin 3 following up with ruin 4. Fill in teh GCD in between

[river hull]

On that I agree but it's not like they can change it now

[gaunt star]

JUST give you the elbow room to squeeze out the 2 charges of Enkindle Bahamut

[river hull]

Crossbows aren't used yet though so ranger could come in some capacity

[uneven cape]

Though I think we can all agree that Bahamut and probably Phoenix wont be going away at all

[gaunt star]

GIVE ME MY VALLA ROLEPLAY

[half phoenix]

They kind of are used

[gaunt star]

But the problem with aetherpact is that if you do it too quickly and summon bahamut/phoenix the buff doesn't apply

[half phoenix]

Ranged lb1 and lb2

[cinder badger]

The concept that a bow is no different from a harp because both use strings is retarded

[river hull]

As a main hand equippable weapon

[gaunt star]

Hence why you weave it within the first 5 seconds while getting ruin charges

[gaunt star]

Demi's are an amazing idea for how the summons should be tbh

[half phoenix]

Single crossbow then akimbo

[uneven cape]

I think I heard somewhere that in 2.0 they didn't want to do Demis because they would be too big and yet here we are

[gaunt star]

When are we gonna be able to change the size of Phoenix

[cinder badger]

@gaunt star never

[gaunt star]

Lousoix is too thicc

[uneven cape]

Also I have to ask how do you change the size of bahamut?

[cinder badger]

"Yeah well you're ugly."@gaunt star

[gaunt star]

Go into trusts as a smn and flex on Allisae and Alphi by summoning their grandpa

[gaunt star]

Yeah well your dead, so hurry up and use Revelation

[uneven cape]

"Hey kids I hear ya got a dead grandpa so chech this out"

[half phoenix]

Bahamutsize or demisize or something like that

[pulsar yacht]

/Bahamutsize small (or medium or large)

[uneven cape]

thx man

[gaunt star]

But it only affects you, not everyone else

[half phoenix]

It’s a command you use once then never again

[cinder badger]

There should be a "calamitous" option

Make a full size Bahamut

[gaunt star]

So if you make Bahamut small he'll only be small for you while for everyone else he'll be thicc

[uneven cape]

lulw it ould be pretty funny

[pulsar yacht]

Still want diamond carbuncle size

[gaunt star]

I want Emerald carbuncle to be...EMERALD

[cinder badger]

I want obsidian carbuncle

[uneven cape]

I think seeing a carbuncle firing an Akh Morn would be pretty funny

[pulsar yacht]

(ruby carbuncle casts squeak) [explosion]

[uneven cape]

My biggest want for jobs of 6.0 would be to make the shield from Brutal shell more impactful, because I never notice it or make it more interesting

[gaunt star]

/bahamutsize calamity

Bring back SAM's old sounds so they can destroy our eardrums once again

[cinder badger]

Bring back gun Breakers old sounds

[uneven cape]

I actually never knew they were changed until a few weeks ago

[half phoenix]

My main want: rdm aoe mana build being tied to the number of enemies hit >_>

[barren karma]

I want a dual wield for MCH even if it's just one attack with that animation

[uneven cape]

Hey off topic question I'm about to go grab a quick snack what should I get

[barren karma]

Pizza!

[cinder badger]

@barren karma dual wield gun users going to be pirate themed with pistols and Merlwyb as mentor

[barren karma]

@cinder badger That would be cool!

[uneven cape]

Could be cool

Who know what else is cool

Ice

[gaunt star]

Dont forget that people will be able to buy the amaro mount in 6.0

[cinder badger]

It's stupid how the really awesome pirate who called you a scrag in 1.0 has been reduced to a side mentor in The Machinist storyline

[barren karma]

Ehhh I still have much love for Stephanivien I'd hate to see him sidelined

[cinder badger]

But I mean that pirate was supposed to be a big part of the limsa lominsa storyline

Apparently the way he held his gun was his calling card and when you're seen holding out a pistol in the same way it freaked people out

[barren karma]

ohhhh and that's what MCH needs....a sidearm

a small pistol shot attack

[cinder badger]

Musketeer was supposed to be the gun job/class in the game but it never saw the light of day

Then we got Machinist and honestly it was a bit of a disappointment because it wasn't gun exclusive like musketeer would have been

[heady shadow]

so was shepard

[uneven cape]

I mean Machinist kinda felt like a gunner in 4.x, then in 5.0 they reworked it to be more Machinist like

And by that I mean that it felt there were more focus on the gun than anything else

[cinder badger]

Yeah but you also had things like flamethrower

[barren karma]

I dunno man MCH has flame thrower.....heheh I just love the class so much hehe

[cinder badger]

Musketeer would have been more limsa themed and less tech involved.

[barren karma]

oh hahah hi5 Yayayo

[royal scroll]

We're getting shepard tho

[cinder badger]

Shepherd?

[barren karma]

I also love the story of MCH....about the class struggles in Ishgard and the stubborn but hopeful Stephanivien

[cinder badger]

Will I get to stop the Reapers?

[royal scroll]

No, you get to play harvest moon

[unique verge]

Dont even joke about that

That would be an ominous omen for the quality of FF14's story going forward

[cinder badger]

What will my romance options be?

[barren karma]

I didnt catch the announcement on that...do we all get the minion farm or is it like houses....will we have to fight over the limited space?

[unique verge]

Nothing has been specified

[gaunt star]

Oblivion references becoming the reaper, Shiva unreal+savage hint toward new job I'm being sarcastic but I'm sure someone will argue this unironically at some point

[cinder badger]

Didn't anybody stop to question how Ryne was able to call upon an exact duplicate of Hrasvelgr?

Especially having not ever seen him before

[gaunt star]

Hraesvelgr is only in savage which is a corrupted dive into our own memories, so we made that part up

[cinder badger]

So we can remember exactly what Hrasvelgr looks like. But then when it comes to something as simple as Titan we recall something out of Mario Kart?

[maiden lodge]

Nope, because she can't.

Eden, however, in its fanfiction... well, Mitron has a little more information than Ryne does.