retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[unique verge]

320 is "beginning of Stormblood"

[open verge]

Stop trying to be the pure hearted ffxiv player

Become punished

Like us

[onyx sundial]

Thats asking for everyone else to do your work

[carmine root]

I'm not saying it's impossible Monk, just that it feels hard to believe that there isn't more context to this

[open verge]

There isn’t

I fucking screenshotted the situation and everything

In this discord lol

[carmine root]

Unless it was a premade group and they just didn't like you

[viscid monolith]

Have you ever even done Dohn Mheg? Do you know what level that is?

[vernal haven]

yeah no if someones 320 ilvl at that point its normal to kick them before starting im not even sure how you get into a situation where they don't kick them

[open verge]

^

[vernal haven]

and thats before you add in broken gear

[wind orbit]

[open verge]

There’s a reason why they added Ilvl to these dungeons

[unique verge]

320 ilvl in a dungeon that drops ~405 gear which is what its balanced around.

[limber pivot]

Mimia you are being tooo nice to these people

[vernal haven]

you can't even accidentally have ilvl320 at that point

[unique verge]

You're literally useless dead weight

[open verge]

Tired of shitty tanks in bad gear in bardems mettle

[vernal haven]

you have to be actively ignoring gear

the msq gives you gear ffs

[viscid monolith]

We wiped to the 2nd boss because of this dumbass

Literally hit the enrage

[carmine root]

What is "Bad gear" for Bardam's Mettle?

[open verge]

Have you never healed bardams?

[carmine root]

Of course I have

[viscid monolith]

And you have the audacity to say I was wrong? You're just as bad as them.

[open verge]

I refuse to believe you don’t know what bad gear is like in bardam

[carmine root]

I'm asking what you are calling bad gear for that

Where do you draw the line on that?

[open verge]

Well you see

[wind orbit]

You guys are getting too heated about this

[open verge]

When the tank has bad gear

[onyx sundial]

True

[open verge]

It makes healing hard

[onyx sundial]

This always happens

[unique verge]

If you're below 270 in Bardams its a problem.

[open verge]

When I check the tanks gear and it’s not up to sniff

[limber pivot]

GCBTW vs DF Dwellers

[open verge]

He’s in bad gear

[viscid monolith]

Because of Stormblood's giant ilvl scaling anything less than full 270 is bad gear for Bardam's

[wind orbit]

Bardam can be big oof

[onyx sundial]

Giving some tough love is better than enabling someones bad play

[limber pivot]

ya

[onyx sundial]

Well thats how i see it

[carmine root]

My opinion is that if you want to try and force people to play differently that's okay

Just don't get angry and blame them if you cause a wipe

[open verge]

I’m not forcing them to play different
I’m forcing them to play correctly

[vernal haven]

aight here me out here

[limber pivot]

ermmm last i checked you are NOT PAYING for MY SUB

[vernal haven]

if they have a right to play like shit i have a right to play how i want too

[carmine root]

That's fine

[vernal haven]

so im also gonna do what i want kappa

[carmine root]

I don't disagree with that at all

[vernal haven]

lets all wipe

lets suffer

lets die

[exotic shuttle]

[vernal haven]

we're pulling everything and only using fluid aura lets go

[open verge]

Shb does a good job making everyone do big pulls

Atleast at 80

[carmine root]

If you want to play your own way that's okay. Just don't blame them if you cause a wipe. Most people don't, they just act deathly silent and/or quit the party if their attempt to force things doesn't work

And I'm okay with that

[viscid monolith]

I'd rather cause a wipe and they learn something than watch them single without using cds until they hit Castrum Abania

[open verge]

I better see 0 small pullers in 81+

[vernal haven]

wait are you actually agreeing that i can wipe my group if thats how i want to play

[wind orbit]

Matoya's has some unsatisfying pulls

[open verge]

Yea

[limber pivot]

yea

[open verge]

They are way to weak

[limber pivot]

omg imagine if thats what all dungeons are from now on

force tiny pulls so GCBTW is happy :))))

[carmine root]

If you are wiping them on purpose out of spite, no. If you are trying to make them play better by making them pull more, that's your choice

[open verge]

I can go through matoya without using a single cd

[vernal haven]

nah but they're allowed to play bad so why arent i

[open verge]

The mobs hit for absolutely nothing lol

[viscid monolith]

They tried that in HW and everyone gave the devs shit for it

[carmine root]

So you're literally griefing them

[vernal haven]

what if i dont wanna press buttons either

[viscid monolith]

Another reason HW was the worst expansion

[exotic shuttle]

Matoya mobs die so quickly it’s a joke

[limber pivot]

ah ok good to know they might not do that again

[open verge]

I like the pulls in matoya they are just too weak

[vernal haven]

we can either all do whatever the fuck we want or we can kinda

play the game properly

[carmine root]

This is too childish, you are trolling now so I'm not going to waste my time discussing this ^^;

[open verge]

Makes me feel like I’m playing on easy mode

[vernal haven]

the idea of being entitled to be bad is ass and has always been ass

[limber pivot]

lol

[onyx sundial]

I remember this one time we had a healer on ilvl 20-30 gear on aurum vale

[viscid monolith]

Stay on Mateus when Data Center travel becomes a thing. For our sakes.

Sorry Refia

[exotic shuttle]

Honestly if you don’t like the group just ask them to kick you

[limber pivot]

they never do

[carmine root]

Because I'm a nice person and try to help people?

Instead of being harsh and spiteful?

[limber pivot]

because you are an enabler

[open verge]

People don’t read chat man

[viscid monolith]

You don't help people

[vernal haven]

yeah i cant put it much better than being an enabler

[viscid monolith]

You enable them

You only make yourself feel better

[open verge]

I tried to be nice so much and they don’t learn how to do jack

So I force them to

[vernal haven]

dont make excuses for bad play, fix it

[carmine root]

I've forced bigger pulls than people are comfortable with.

[onyx sundial]

The healer can barely keep up with the heals and was struggling with mp. They lashed out on me when i tried to pull a lot, didnt notice that their gear was bad.

[wind orbit]

Can't really force people to learn if they don't want to tbh

I've tried

[carmine root]

I just don't do it if it's going to cause a wipe and I will try to encourage before I force things in most cases.

[vernal haven]

people who dont want to learn get in the bin

[carmine root]

You are running off of a lot of assumptions

but I guess I am doing that to an extent too.

[vernal haven]

it never causes a wipe unless they throw a hissy fit about it

[onyx sundial]

Then i told themabout their gear, they asked me to kick em and i said "no were not gonna kick you since this will be a learning experience for you"

[wind orbit]

Sometimes you just have to bite the bullet. Don't waste your breathe

[carmine root]

So I can't blame you entirely

[onyx sundial]

And then they left the party

out of shame probably

[wind orbit]

Shame shame

[carmine root]

I think what you did was actually a good thing

I never kick people that ask to be kicked

[open verge]

What’s the dungeon with the poison sewers?

[carmine root]

And you were trying to help them even if it was a bit harsh

To me that felt like you cared

[open verge]

Its amdapor right?p

[viscid monolith]

Not Amdapor

[onyx sundial]

Asking to get kicked is just a way to bypass queue punishment

[viscid monolith]

The other one

[vernal haven]

yeah

[onyx sundial]

[open verge]

Other one?

[gentle parcel]

Thousand maws...

[carmine root]

That's why I don't kick people who request it.

[viscid monolith]

With the Tonberries

[wind orbit]

Can't say I've ever been vote kicked

[open verge]

Yea what’s that?

[viscid monolith]

Uuh

Palace

[vernal haven]

i just eat the dungeon leaver penalty when people are beyond hope tbh

[viscid monolith]

Something Palace

[vernal haven]

or hope someone beats me to it

[open verge]

Wanderers

[gentle parcel]

Wanderers

[viscid monolith]

Ya Wanderer's Palace Hard Mode

[carmine root]

I think I may have been vote kicked once in ARR. It was a really long time ago. I don't remember why.

[open verge]

That’s the one with the circles that buff mobs?

[vernal haven]

alliance raids are the actual worst i swear

[wind orbit]

Yeah I've left a few dungeons where it would just take way too long

[viscid monolith]

Same as the poison sewers

[carmine root]

I can't remember the last time anyone was vote kicked for any reason other than being offline

[vernal haven]

like dungeons you can kinda deal with the bad player(s) but alliance raids hoo boi

[wind orbit]

Or instances where the tank or healer doesn't have their job stone equipped

[open verge]

Well whatever that dungeon is I had a tank so ducking bad that I had to leave the dungeon

[vernal haven]

why are job stones still a thing you can have off

[open verge]

They couldn’t handle the fucking final boss at all

[carmine root]

I don't run into parties where people are extremely bad or extremely rude, so I feel like most of this is all just theoretical discussions

[open verge]

After telling him how to do it he didn’t learn shit

[vernal haven]

i mean i enjoy shitposting unemployed puppet bunker runs and stuff but its kinda bad rng

[open verge]

So we kept wiping and wiping to the boss till I left

[exotic shuttle]

You just haven’t done enough DF

[carmine root]

I've only seen one genuinely bad player in Shadowbringers that was doing an important role

[vernal haven]

wait

nono

hold that thought

what role isnt important

[carmine root]

A healer who literally couldn't survive the boss of that level 67 dungeon in Shadowbringers

[vernal haven]

lets hear it

[limber pivot]

all roles are important

[carmine root]

They died to every attack

I still don't understand it, or how they were even dying in one attack

[open verge]

I can ignore a shit dps

[limber pivot]

fair

[open verge]

Because most dps are shit lmao

[vernal haven]

you can ignore exactly one shit dps

two is a problem

[limber pivot]

truee

[viscid monolith]

GEE IT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE THEIR GEAR WAS BROKEN

[vernal haven]

their role as a whole is important its just split between more players

[carmine root]

That's probably what happened

[open verge]

Yea but I don’t got the energy to fix a shitty dps

[carmine root]

Oh, hold on

I think I misread what you said earlier Lance.

[vernal haven]

yeah but i have the energy to vote dismiss

[exotic shuttle]

Shit DPS is the least of my concern

[carmine root]

I didn't realize you meant that literally, I Thought it was the same discussion that was going on, "Their gear is bad and I hate them"

[limber pivot]

2 shit dps tho

[open verge]

I can tell a shitty tank to use cool downs
And bad healer how to heal

[carmine root]

If their gear literally was broken and you asked to kick them, then I take back everything I said.

[limber pivot]

or if you are in a trial and the dps are really bad

[vernal haven]

jk i dont actually kick bad dps i just throw them a balance guide and move on

[carmine root]

You were in the right.

[open verge]

I do not have the energy to tell a black mage to enter astral fire

[exotic shuttle]

When a DRG thought it was a good idea to pull mobs/boss himself

[open verge]

Or a monk to do positionals

[exotic shuttle]

And thought he was right doing so

[carmine root]

I've been in groups where my accessories broke before, on characters I didn't level up crafting classes for

[viscid monolith]

Hold that thought I don't feel so good

[open verge]

I told a healer to use holy on mobs and they said I was healersplaining

[carmine root]

I've never had a case where I let my left side gear break

If I did, I'd leave

I wouldn't force a group to suffer

[onyx sundial]

I remember when i had shit gear for a dungeon

[limber pivot]

i'd ask them to kick me

[vernal haven]

its scary that you specified left side

[onyx sundial]

I left immdiately when i died to mobs

[vernal haven]

the game kinda yells at you when you queue with damaged gear

[exotic shuttle]

I don’t know how you break a single gear to begin with, usually they all gone together

[limber pivot]

why does durability exist lol

[carmine root]

I've never had that happen to me

And I've only had my accessories break once or twice ever.

[exotic shuttle]

To make mender NPC not useless

[wind orbit]

I get paranoid about my gear before queueing

[viscid monolith]

Gil sink

[limber pivot]

should have removed it alongside belts

[carmine root]

I just got carried away doing lots of dungeons all at once and didn't realize my accessories were close to breaking until it was too late

[vernal haven]

the reason people have different gear break is usually playing multiplle classes

i just kinda have the habit of repairing gear

[carmine root]

Fortunately I had backup accessories and it didn't really impact my performance

[limber pivot]

yea you swap and then "oh shoot i need to reapir"

[carmine root]

But I made sure not to let it happen again

This was a long time ago, I rarely play alts anymore ^^;

[vernal haven]

imagine being 1% on the new ultimate and wipe because your gear broke

that'd be a bruh moment

[carmine root]

Being able to repair my own gear means this never happens to me

[vernal haven]

and by new ultimate i mean

[carmine root]

And in fact, that's why it happened in the first place, I am spoiled by that and my alt didn't have that feature

[limber pivot]

DR

[vernal haven]

i dont know whats going on with ult

because i dont read the news

[limber pivot]

Ult is delayed

TEA is pretty old no

w

[vernal haven]

rip ult

[limber pivot]

DR is basically the new "Ult"

[vernal haven]

fair

[carmine root]

What was this in response to by the way?

[viscid monolith]

No I had to throw up

[onyx sundial]

Gil sinks are needed to remove gil from the economy

[viscid monolith]

I don't feel so good today

[carmine root]

Do you mean that literally? I hope you're not feeling sick... I've seen a bit of that going around today 😦

I hope you feel better

[limber pivot]

when the gil sink is like 3k gil

[onyx sundial]

It adds up

[limber pivot]

tru

[onyx sundial]

Literally everyone in the world repairs gear

Thats millions of gil being taken away

[unique verge]

Yeah, its necessary

[limber pivot]

well crafters can do it for free

[unique verge]

Not really

[limber pivot]

if you have the material

[unique verge]

Crafters still pay

[limber pivot]

matter

no they dont

[unique verge]

In both cases, gil is being removed from the economy, which is the reason it still exists

[limber pivot]

you can get dark matter without gil

GC trades

[digital forge]

it's 10k gil for 99

just stock up

[carmine root]

If crafters are not paying for repairs I'd love to know where they are getting these for free ^^;

[fallen girder]

U could get gil for gc currency

[carmine root]

I pay less and it makes my life easier but it's not free

That's still not free because you bought dark matter instead of something you could sell

[limber pivot]

i sell my glamour prisims from GC Trades on MB

get like 40k easy

[carmine root]

It just didn't cost gil in that case directly

[fallen girder]

I just have 13k ventures because i lost control of my life

[carmine root]

Selling things like glamour prisms makes more sense than buying dark matter

[limber pivot]

wow lol

[carmine root]

Or ventures, yes!!

[limber pivot]

i get my ventures from beast tribes

[carmine root]

If you only use 4 ventures per day then that works out great

If you use lots of ventures, it can add up quickly

I have never not needed to buy at least a few with grand company seals... but it works out great for me because there isn't a lot of other items I really want to buy anyways!

The only time I ever really had to spend a lot of grand company seals on other things was when I was trying to build airships by myself, and I won't be doing that again I don't think

[wind orbit]

I turn in a ton of gear frequently so I never run out of ventures

[carmine root]

You spend your seals on ventures right?

[wind orbit]

Sometimes, or relic items

[carmine root]

Exactly, then! Me too!

If I did not buy ventures with grand company seals, I would run out eventually

There are other things I spend seals on too occasionally of course

But I have to have a steady supply of ventures, and grand company seals are absolutely the best way

So, um... on the topic of Endwalkers... are there any websites that have a full write up of what was covered for it? What is coming and revealed so far?

[limber pivot]

Yes actually

the official Endwalker website has some of the features plan to be added

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/endwalker/

[carmine root]

Well yes. It's a bit vague though. I don't think it covered everything that was talked about. I'm curious about the finer details!

[limber pivot]

well as someone who actually watched the thing

i would say this is about it

[carmine root]

I know they used to do forum posts that covered and translated everything that was said, I don't know if they still do.

[limber pivot]

it doesn't mention the number crunch tho

[carmine root]

I don't care about that really

Maybe I should, was that a thing that was mentioned?

Or are you saying it wasn't mentioned?

[limber pivot]

it is not mentioned on the website

it was mentioned and gone in depth during the announcement

[carmine root]

A lot of things were not mentioned

See this is why I am asking ^^;

[limber pivot]

like what?

[carmine root]

There are a lot of things that are coming I'd like to know about, I'm sure some website somewhere has a good write up, but most are not too useful. I am not sure where to go for FFXIV news these days

[vernal haven]

its just a generic statsquish tbf its not that exciting

[carmine root]

Like that number crunch, I had no idea something like that was in the works

[limber pivot]

thats the only thing though

[vernal haven]

most of the important stuff is on squares site

[limber pivot]

i watched the event

[carmine root]

I don't care too much but I am worried at the same time it could be unintentionally detrimental

[limber pivot]

its not

[vernal haven]

nah

[limber pivot]

nothing changes except the numbers are smaller

[fading mica]

you can rewatch the stream right? I think it's still up

[vernal haven]

if you were doing 10 damage to an enemy with 100hp or 1 to an enemy with 10 its the same

[carmine root]

In theory that's true

In practice, it would probably work differently

[vernal haven]

its so we dont end up dealing with dumb numbers as well as the engine being a mess

[carmine root]

Everything would scale different

[limber pivot]

what

[carmine root]

I've seen other games do number crunches that were handled very badly

And it was very bad for the game.

[vernal haven]

i mean loads of mmos do stat crunches frequently to little effect

[carmine root]

I think FFXIV will do okay though.

so I'm not really worried.

[vernal haven]

if an mmo messes up a stat squish it was just incompetently managed

[carmine root]

It's not always that simple

[maiden lodge]

Don't worry, if you do 10k as a dps in dungeons now you'll still be just as carried as before

[open verge]

[carmine root]

I'm confused why you are saying that

what does that have to do with anything?

[limber pivot]

you were just expressing your concerns about the number scale

[maiden lodge]

The point is, they'll adjust the numbers. If a given level has people doing 20% of their previous potential, the enemys will have 20% of their hp.

It's a scalar problem. this is really easy to solve.

[carmine root]

I'm more concerned about enemies hitting too hard and big pulls being something that can't be done in lower level dungeons

because scaling was off

[limber pivot]

only numbers above 50

lvl 50

are changed

[carmine root]

By lower level dungeons I mean. Well... Everything that isn't level 80+

[maiden lodge]

I mean, yeah it's just 51-80, but also, even if it weren't, linear scaling isn't exactly a hard mathematical problem to solve

[cinder badger]

No matter what I do I always always gravitate back towards Red Mage for some reason

[carmine root]

That's because red mage is so much fun

[limber pivot]

Ok.

[vernal haven]

i mean unless you fuck with the numbers in a dumb way its fine

[carmine root]

also, I love being able to turn around a group by using lots of verraise

[maiden lodge]

'x damage is multipled by x%, multiply enemy hp by x%. enemy damage is multiplied by y%, reduce hp by y%.' If anything, they'll err on the side of player power and use it to buff players in lowbie content yet again.

Which... they always do

[carmine root]

I love your optimism, I hope you're right! I think you will be.

I'm not really worried 🙂

[cinder badger]

I mean created Yayayo to always have that Mhachi/Ul'dahn feel to her

[maiden lodge]

It'd require a major act of incompetance or some sort of unexpected bug in order to cause a problem with this.

ANd if they get the scaling right, it'll fix more problems than it could cause

[carmine root]

Yay, I love Ul'dah too! I haven't put a lot of thought into Mhachi though, in fact I didn't realize until recently that Ul'dah was directly from Mhachi

[vernal haven]

to be fair an unexpected bug isnt that unlikely with this game

[maiden lodge]

Any game, really.

Avoiding those is why they're doing the squish in the first place.

[cinder badger]

@carmine root that's why thaumaturgy is taught there

[carmine root]

I knew there were ties at least

[cinder badger]

I love this new pose

[carmine root]

But I never realized it was direct, nor did I realize that Mhachi had a heavy Lalafell population (something I like!)

[cinder badger]

The hand on the hip is awesome

[carmine root]

I only recently came across the first lore book

And I still have not seen or heard anything from Book 2 or 3

They are really hard to get info on 😦

I'd totally buy them if I could get them without paying almost double over for shipping and they were actually selling them.

[cinder badger]

Yayayo's outfit is a mix of Mhachi and Duelist.

[carmine root]

I'd love to see it

I'm... not very creative with some of my outfits. But to be fair, I really love the traditional red mage garb.

[cinder badger]

Come over to falcon's nest on balmung

[carmine root]

Sadly I can't hop on just yet. May I possibly take a rain check? Because I'd really love to see ^^;

[carmine root]

Oh, that works too! and I like the design. That's very creative!

No, I should say that I love the design. You clearly put a lot of thought into that!

I have a difficult time figuring out outfits from pieces that are not available on the marketboard (I can't look up items from dungeons and see how they fit together)

So I really admire what people are able to do

[cinder badger]

I have a few of them. Another one uses the plague Bringers coat Paul another uses the Ala Mhigan robe

[carmine root]

The plague items are really fancy too

Ala Mhigan robe is surprising though, I haven't seen those used much at all except for people really going for that Ala Mhigan look specifically

[carmine root]

I love that! What items did you use for that?

[maiden lodge]

That's RDM AF3 Anemos, mostly

Except for the pants

[cinder badger]

Just the boots and the hat

[maiden lodge]

Chest isn't?

Or is it AF4?

No wait it's something else, that buttcape

[cinder badger]

Chest plague Bringers from HW

[maiden lodge]

Yeah I see that now

I need the pb mask

[cinder badger]

Hands are the forgiven gloves of casting

[carmine root]

Also how did you think of putting them all together?

[cinder badger]

And the pants are the star velvet bottoms of casting

[carmine root]

I am really bad at visualizing how sets work together if I can't link them directly to see

[cinder badger]

I cheat a little bit I'll take some general designs from eorzea collection and then make some tweaks

[carmine root]

That's totally fair!

[cinder badger]

But because I do role-play I like to keep a theme with her Mhachi herritage

Maybe a little bit of sharlayan

[carmine root]

I want to get into roleplaying again someday too. I had a feeling you were one since you were from Balmung and had great taste in outfit design

Sorry, I'm digressing of course. But I can really feel the theme you were going for and it looks great

[carmine root]

That's another good one, I can recognize a lot of items there too

[autumn heron]

!me

[carmine root]

I see a lot of the Stormblood RDM artifacts, and I think that's the Shadowbringers RDM relic weapon?

[lusty shadow]

Morrigan Fay, Of Stranger Shadow ✅

Au Ra, Xaela
Level 80 Dark Knight [Item Level 512]
Luca on Famfrit (Primal)

Save this glamour with: !glamour save drk

[autumn heron]

[cinder badger]

Rainbow shirt of casting and yorha high boots

[carmine root]

That looks like the Yorha, yes

The shirt was the one I didn't realize, that's a really nice touch

What are the leg items?

[cinder badger]

Also yorha

[carmine root]

I see! It's easy to use a lot of that set

[cinder badger]

So yeah she shows a little bit of lala leg

But it looks a lot weirder during my hrothgar phase

[carmine root]

I'd probably use something a bit different, maybe the Star Velvet skirt

Or maybe the Shadowbringers Redmage skirt? I don't know how it would look with it.

Just looking at that outfit inspires me. I guess this must be how you felt with some of your designs too ^^

Thank you for that!

[cinder badger]

She originally looked fair-skinned but then I made a miqo'te alt that was supposed to be Thavnairian (lvl 80 DNC on her btw) and I thought the dark skin and purple hair would be perfect on Yayayo

So she's pretty much a miniature version of my alt

[carmine root]

Darker skin does feel appropriate for Ul'dahns to a good extent

The purple hair is especially interesting now that you mention it

[cinder badger]

Shantae kinda inspired that. Lol

Do I went with a bit of a darker shade

[carmine root]

It's good because if you use too bright a color it wouldn't feel natural

But with that dark color, it does

[cinder badger]

While still making it unique because it's more common for uldahn's to have reds, blondes or platinum hair

[carmine root]

Hmm... I never even really thought about it before

Do Ul'dahns not normally have darker hair?

[cinder badger]

And then there's nanamo with her pink hair

Like Peach blond

[carmine root]

Her hair definitely stands out but I'm sure that's the intent

[carmine root]

I did notice natural white hair is common in Ul'dah

I never thought much on it though

[cinder badger]

It's natural for Desert dwellers.

Commonly prolonged exposure to the Sun would result in Darker skin tones and lighter hair colors

[carmine root]

That is true, isn't it?

[cinder badger]

It's also why Dunesfolk have the kind of eyes they do. It's an evolutionary trait

The eye is covered by a kind of film that naturally protects it from the suns intense rays

The original story for them was that they were nomads constantly roaming the deserts on the backs of giant beasts I believe

[carmine root]

The eyes definitely make sense and is explained

In fact it's to protect against sand too isn't it?

[cinder badger]

"The degree to which the Dunesfolk have adapted to their surroundings can be seen in their tanned skin, able to withstand the harsh rays of the sun that beat down on Thanalan, and their luminous eyes, clear as glass with pupils covered by a thin, glossy membrane to keep out the sand and glaring sunlight."

So yes that is correct

[carmine root]

I remembered the part about the sand specifically, but I forgot that it was also from sunlight.

That makes a lot of sense, too.

[forest magnet]

white hair is just common in the Scions too for some reason. Something to do with Sharlayan. The only archons we've met who aren't white haired are G'raha and Krile.

Papalymo too I think

blonde

ish

[carmine root]

That's kind of odd actually

Is Thancred even Sharlayan by blood?

I don't think he was

That said, white is a natural hair color for miqo'te too to an extent

[cinder badger]

Mhach wasn't a Lala exclusive nation but its prominence reached its peak when Shatotto discovered Black Magic

[carmine root]

So for Y'shtola it could very well be a coincidence

[forest magnet]

what about Elezen

Urianger is white haired

and he's like, late 20s

[carmine root]

Elezen seem to have a bit of white hair too

[forest magnet]

so every race has white hair

[carmine root]

Not quite

You rarely see natural white hair on hyur

Which is part of what is odd about Thancred isn't it?

[cinder badger]

silver hair on more of the desert dwelling ones

[carmine root]

And usually the white hair on Elezen is with duskwight, which I doubt Urianger is so it is technically odd for him

[cinder badger]

I've seen a couple in the msq

[carmine root]

That's true, Thancred was from Ul'dah so that may be why.

[cinder badger]

I have another Alt who's a Middy. She's a Highwind.

Meaning she's a Drg

[next quarry]

Not all highwinds are drgs

Alexander Highwind Tycoon

[cinder badger]

Mine is because I made her with Kain and Areana in mind

[next quarry]

[cinder badger]

@next quarry yeah but he had his own personal dragon mount

I just had this crazy idea that in the world of Final Fantasy 5 dragons as mounts wasn't a very common thing

I don't think the common people could keep a dragon in their backyard

[next quarry]

Yes dragons are extremely rare in the world of V

[cinder badger]

you know I like the part where the warrior of light just reaches out and grabs G'raha's staff

[gaunt star]

Did the announcement mention the role quests separating the physical dps'?

Like- Tank, Healer, Melee, Ranged, Caster?

[next quarry]

Yes

5 role questlines now

[gaunt star]

Oh lawd

[cinder badger]

@gaunt star yes they are splitting range physical and melee a physical

[gaunt star]

Makes sense given the Shadowbringers role quests

[cinder badger]

Which is why I was trying to work on monk because I don't have any melee physical jobs level 80

[gaunt star]

Which I think works? but I'm hoping this time they'll combine all the job storylines together

Cause people got attached to those storylines and I hope they don't get left behind

It made sense to only have one chapter for them in 5.0

Okay then so with that in mind- depending on what the 6.0 melee job will be, my line up!

[cinder badger]

@gaunt star I mean if you did every role Quest you got an extra quest that connects them

[gaunt star]

SMN, MCH, SAM, GNB, SAG

Or if it's a really good new melee dps

[subtle pasture]

Majorly depends what this role quest line is about, ShB’s was well connected by Team Ardbert and then the Virtue Hunters

[cinder badger]

I think the point is they are trying to do away with job quests

Like what we got in shadowbringers was supposed to be the end of every job storyline

[viscid monolith]

Connected to the moon obviously

[gaunt star]

SCH, DNC, RDM, DRK, (new mDPS)

[subtle pasture]

Well, not all of them were endings for tie previous storyline

[gaunt star]

Cause that means I get to play a job that came out that expansion cycle

[subtle pasture]

SMN had next to nothing to do with SMN

[viscid monolith]

It had to do with the SMNs you trained

[gaunt star]

SMN/SCH 2.0, MCH/DRK for 3.0, RDM/SAM 4.0, GNB/DNC 5.0, SAG/mDPS* 6.0

[subtle pasture]

It had to do with one, then it became a sequel to Fordola’s short story

[gaunt star]

Blue mage is more of a summoner than smn

[subtle pasture]

Not that I disliked SMN 80, but it was barely a job quest

[cinder badger]

Paladin brought closure to the Gladiator story. With the WoL showing Aldis that their form is completely perfect after discovering that one thing they are willing to die protecting.

[gaunt star]

I can agree getting rid of job quests could help lighten the load, but I'd be shocked if SE left those storylines feeling as unfulfilled as they are

They have to be combining them by roles

All the tank storylines meshed into one

And so on for the others

[cinder badger]

DRK is literally called "Our Closure" really nothing more needs to be said after that Quest

[subtle pasture]

Like most of the ones I’ve seen could be closure, but also gave hints of the next and new chapters of those storylines

[gaunt star]

Oh shit it is?

[subtle pasture]

BLM especially

[gaunt star]

And SCH

Well, doesn't mean the characters can't go off and do a unique storyline for 6.0

If their individual arcs are completed why not?

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, especially SCH. AST and WHM also gave prompt to check in down the line

[cinder badger]

There really is nothing more to be said after Dark Knights. Like I personally feel to do so would just ruin that moment

[next quarry]

I don't like Sage being called SAG

[gaunt star]

Screen Actor's Guild might sue Square for the acronyms

[subtle pasture]

Ulaqa with her Conjury, Leveva and her Geomancy,

It’s just checking in and not much story for WoL ourselves

[cinder badger]

But I think the developers are trying to wean everybody off of job storylines because eventually they're going to run out of ideas

[subtle pasture]

But I’d love more capstone quests

[viscid monolith]

Blue Mage has excellent lore but the last set of quests made me angry

[gaunt star]

So why not make expansion focused combined role quest lines with the same and new characters?

[cinder badger]

And with every expansion cranking out new jobs it just becomes harder for them to write storylines for each and every one of them

[viscid monolith]

@maiden lodge DIIIIIIIIIS

[subtle pasture]

Gogo is world breaking

And I hate it

But he is cool.

[viscid monolith]

Gogo is the real Warrior of Light

[cinder badger]

So it's just easier to make storylines based on roles rather than each individual job

[viscid monolith]

Someone send him to fight Zodiark

[subtle pasture]

Gogo trust when

[viscid monolith]

I just wanna farm

[subtle pasture]

New all rounder

[viscid monolith]

So let me get this straight

Gog can copy any ability just by seeing it

[gaunt star]

Again, we may see new storylines with the same characters for each of the jobs

[subtle pasture]

Even high end magic

[viscid monolith]

Unlike Blue Mage, Gogo doesn't have to kill the thing to copy the ability

[gaunt star]

Mixing them together isn't necessarily defeating their initial arcs. Remember- this is the finale of the current saga

[viscid monolith]

Blue Mages have to kill the monster to absorb and understand its aether

[gaunt star]

There's going to be something final with the jobs and if they're continuing the role quests they have to be blending all of jobs together per role

[viscid monolith]

Gogo can fucking read and copy someone or something's aether just by watching them

That's broken

[subtle pasture]

Tbh when he was doing people spells I briefly thought it meant he was killing and Learning off people

[cinder badger]

Blue Mages are masters of learning the abilities of monsters and other enemies

[subtle pasture]

But yeah he’s just, yeah.

[cinder badger]

Mime's are masters of perfectly mimicking their allies skills

[subtle pasture]

I was hoping someone would suggest it’s the echo :V

[viscid monolith]

Blue Mage's only limitation is how ethical you are about it

We could kill Raubahn and learn his shit

But that wouldn't be very nice

[exotic shuttle]

His shits are crap anyway

[cinder badger]

The only way to defeat a mime is to do absolutely nothing

[subtle pasture]

I think the other concerning part is uh, where does he get the aether for his spells

[maiden lodge]

Hades: does a spell
Gogo: 'MIMICKED HOLY'

[cinder badger]

But mimes were designed in each game only to be able to mimic other party members not enemies

[viscid monolith]

Dis

Please tell me

You attack Gogo while he mimiced

Mimicked?

[next quarry]

Gogo is a boss in V and VI

[viscid monolith]

Dude fighting Gogo is proof that Martyn is an amazing Blue Mage

[next quarry]

Attack him and he attacks back

[viscid monolith]

Gogo's flare or holy one shots you

Martyn ate both of them

[cinder badger]

That's how you win you don't fight him

If you do nothing he does nothing

[next quarry]

In the carnival fight, he's easy

[unique verge]

Yeah, getting the achievement for that one was surprisingly easy

[maiden lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-right-breaking-bad-walter-white-gif-5292336

[maiden lodge]

Oh no, this gogo does things

He goes 'well, you did nothing, time to do something'

[cinder badger]

When the whole Azem thing was first revealed in the MSQ I laughed because Azeyma was my gaurdian always, since day one in 1.0

[unique verge]

Actually

"do nothing" is the stupid way to do it

Gogo only reacts to things you do that hit him

[cinder badger]

They should not have had a gogo fight at all then

[next quarry]

wdym

[viscid monolith]

HOW

[unique verge]

What im getting at is you can cast shit while mimic is up - as long as it isnt shit that hits him

[next quarry]

He mimics mechanics from lots of other fights in the carnivale

[cinder badger]

Because the whole point of fighting a mime is to do absolutely nothing for the mine will copy you perfectly

[maiden lodge]

I never tried bristling or anthing during mimickry so I didn't know

[cinder badger]

If a mime does something that you don't do they failed

[viscid monolith]

I tried healing to see if he'd Bene himself

[unique verge]

So while mimic is rolling you heal up, you prep burst, etc.

[next quarry]

Did we spam meteor in FFV on gogo?

[viscid monolith]

Was disappointed when he didn't

[maiden lodge]

You tell Gogo he's bad at being a mimic, you still gotta dodge his nonsense

[viscid monolith]

I auto attacked Gogo for 50 damage while he mimicked

[carmine root]

Sorry I'm late to that discussion but I'd love to know if they are planning on continuing job storylines

[viscid monolith]

And he hit for 50k

[carmine root]

Some are resolved but some are not

[unique verge]

Obviously this is a "your milage may vary depending on your spells" but its basically what i laid out before + final sting burst to end Stage 1 quickly

[maiden lodge]

Role quests, 5 of them

All job quests are resolved by level 80.

[viscid monolith]

Oh right

[carmine root]

Will they have any job quests at all? And I'm glad they are separating melee and ranged this time at least.

[viscid monolith]

I never bring final sting to carnival

[cinder badger]

@maiden lodge it just means the Developers forgot the whole purpose of gogo and the mime job and just wanted to force another nostalgic Final Fantasy reference into the game with no logic whatsoever

[viscid monolith]

I'll use that

Did you Dps mimic or heal?

[next quarry]

Final sting helps with that last bit of health when he's repeating tornados

[unique verge]

Final Sting can end Phase 1 and you dont lose even though you "die"

I used DPS Mimic for the achievement

[next quarry]

I final sting phase 2

[unique verge]

i dont think you can beat the timer without it

[next quarry]

I went healer for Achievement

[carmine root]

I disagree, for instance it's implied they are close to a full cure for the tonberries but it's never elaborated on further. It doesn't have to be a thing of course but there's potential for the story to keep growing. There are similar cases for the Astrologians and many other jobs

[viscid monolith]

Does Gogo auto attack and cleave in his second fight or is it like the other bosses where they just cast aoes while you dodge

[unique verge]

Yes

[carmine root]

I haven't seen too many jobs that actually have the story completely finished

[unique verge]

Thats another factor

Always make sure to walk away from him slightly

[next quarry]

In FFV, if you attacked gogo enough, he would cast meteor on you regardless if you casted it or not

[unique verge]

so that you dont get auto'd in between his abilities

[viscid monolith]

Oh so he autos if you get close?

[unique verge]

Yes

[viscid monolith]

But he doesn't walk toward you to do it?

[unique verge]

He does, but

what im getting at

i forget if this is Stage 1 or Stage 2

[next quarry]

Stage 2 has mimic blizard and Pyretic

[viscid monolith]

In Stage one he follows you and autos like a regular enemy

[unique verge]

there's a part where he does a hard hitting spell on you, and then immediatley does another one

Like two long cast abilities back to back

if you're in melee range, he will auto you once inbetween these

[next quarry]

Pyretic, AoE around him, Thunder, Flare, Holy

[unique verge]

it doesnt seem like a big deal but it kind of fucks you over

because it makes you heal twice with wind

well

once more than you would otherwise need to

Basically just never be in melee range of him while he's casting a big ability on you so that he cant auto you right afterwards

[maiden lodge]

Healer stance+Snack?

[unique verge]

idk i did DPS stance

since the timer was my primary concern

[viscid monolith]

I used healer stance for my clear but I'll try again with dps stance tonight

[unique verge]

Yeah DPS stance should make beating the timer much easier

[viscid monolith]

I just don't wanna run out of MP from White Wind spam

[unique verge]

That's the trick, you just gotta avoid getting into that scenario

and cutting autos is a big way

[viscid monolith]

How can you cut autos in the first phase though?

Just stand further away so he has to walk to you first?

[unique verge]

I mean, that's a factor, but

like i said, the main autos you care about cutting

[viscid monolith]

Also his cleave hurts a lot

[unique verge]

are the ones that would happen in-between two big spells

i forget the names of the spells

let me look this shit up

[viscid monolith]

Pyretic and Freeze?

[unique verge]

No

Its something else

Okay right

its Phase 2 where this trick matters most

He does Gogo Flare -> Gogo Holy

and each hits you for about half of your HP

but if you're in melee range, he will auto you once between the flare and the holy

meaning instead of needing 2 winds total to heal all that damage

you'll end up needing 3

[cinder badger]

Do I dare try to play healer on a controller?

[next quarry]

It's fine on controller

[cinder badger]

Because the Healer I would play is scholar

[unique verge]

Like, cutting out an entire extra wind cast per cycle is huge mana wise

[viscid monolith]

I see

[next quarry]

Go healer and use pom Cure

[unique verge]

Other than that, you just want to make sure to be optimizing your downtime

[cinder badger]

How do you target as a Healer on controller

[next quarry]

Use a normal DPS rotation and the timer is ez

[viscid monolith]

You need dps for the achievement

[next quarry]

No

I did it as healer

It was tight though

[unique verge]

Did you have 5.45 trial/dungeon spells

[next quarry]

Yes

[unique verge]

Well that explains it

[next quarry]

I can't go without tsu dot anymore

[viscid monolith]

I did it without them ya

[unique verge]

Yeah i didnt have any of the new shit from trial/dungeons

Nightbloom probably makes that fight stupidly easy

[next quarry]

Nightbloom in Moonflute window

[cinder badger]

Do I just need to press up and down on the d-pad?

[next quarry]

Yes

[cinder badger]

There's no other way to Target your allies for fast heels?

[unique verge]

Opening up the phase with moonflute pre-pull is also smart (along with the other self buffs) and dumping as much damage as possible in the first 3-4 seconds

[next quarry]

Healing isn't your main priority as a healer

[unique verge]

and then mimic happens and you ride out the waning debuff while he's doing nothing

[cinder badger]

@next quarry I want to die

[next quarry]

Same

[unique verge]

Triple Trident is very powerful for Gogo

[next quarry]

Yes

It's nice

I need mantra Magic still

[unique verge]

and assuming you dont have Nightbloom, making sure you have bristle'd Song of Torment rolling at all times, especially before he mimics, is vital

[next quarry]

What I do in phase 1 is delay the opener by a bit so he can finish mimicing

SoT at first then override with Nightbloom when I do opener after he's done mimicing

[cinder badger]

Okay so healer with controller.

Up and down on d-pad.

Do not heal your team.

Am I getting it right?

[next quarry]

No you need to heal

It's just that you don't always need to heal

A single AoE heal is enough most of the time outside of harder content

For tank TBs, throw an ogcd then back to casting dps

[low siren]

If you take it seriously and develop efficient muscle memory, switching targets with the d-pad will become as easy as 8 presses inside 1/3 GCD

it does take some getting used to

[cinder badger]

But then how do I heal or rez people in raids that aren't in my party

[next quarry]

You don't

That's my solution

[cinder badger]

Like you know if Alliance b healers need a pick me up

[next quarry]

If they have at least a rezzer alive they're fine

[low siren]

technically you can hold your bumper and then press dpad left and right

[cinder badger]

But sometimes they don't so what do I do in those sticky situations

[low siren]

to cycle through alliance

but fuck 'm

they die, they're dead

[unique verge]

Leave the dead where they fall

[autumn heron]

I remember someone got pissed at me in bozja for not healing him

But I couldnt target him cause he was jumping all over the place

[cinder badger]

That doesn't sound like a team player

[autumn heron]

We werent in a party or anything

He just ran up to me expecting a heal

[low siren]

There is no time to heal people in Bozja if they're out of party/range

[gaunt star]

so if 6.1 is the start of the new arc, will 6.0 have all the raids and what not for end walker ?

[unique verge]

No

[gaunt star]

can you explain it

[low siren]

would just be the regular release cycle with a new raid that has a self-contained story

[autumn heron]

The raids are not gonna be directly tied to the msq

[unique verge]

All it means is that the raids in Endwalker wont have anything to do with the resolution of Hydaelyn vs. Zodiark (or Zenos)

[autumn heron]

They are wholly original this time

[cinder badger]

Okay I need to remember what I know about scholar

Number one

[gaunt star]

ok that makes sense

[cinder badger]

People always talk shit about scholar

[floral aurora]

They do?

[gaunt star]

fall will be here in no time i need to get my crafters to 80 smh i just picked them in

[unique verge]

Pandaemonium seems like it has a very high chance of being Final Days related though

[gaunt star]

up*

[cinder badger]

Number two

Fairy godparents

[floral aurora]

For me if I had to pick between a Scholar or Shield AST, I would pick SCH

[exotic shuttle]

Same

AST shield suck

[low siren]

AST shields are cool when you're in diurnal

[exotic shuttle]

Noct AST gonna gone soon anyway

[unique verge]

Noct AST is trash

[exotic shuttle]

Rip Noct AST main

[cinder badger]

Does scholar still get it's magical Dome barrier?

[exotic shuttle]

Magical dome?

[floral aurora]

Yes

[exotic shuttle]

Sacred soil?

Should be

[cinder badger]

Okay so I'm going to need to macro that to drop on whoever I Target

[floral aurora]

I don't think they said they were removing that barrier from SCH

[low siren]

This aged like a fine wine.

[cinder badger]

Because if there's one thing I remember about playing on controller it's that ground targeted abilities suck ass

[exotic shuttle]

It’s a mitigating tool, nothing to do with Pure healing and pure barrier tbh

[cinder badger]

@low siren this is called foreshadowing

[still lance]

Hey, so what are the predictions by far for the melee dps ?

[exotic shuttle]

Something to do with maiming

[cinder badger]

@still lance will people please stop asking that question? all it does is generate more chaos, you Ascian!

[exotic shuttle]

Bc they gonna share gears with DRG

[floral aurora]

Personally I hope Sage has a lot of different type of barriers, its going to feel interesting. But I wonder will the mp cost be great for those awesome barriers or long gcds

[exotic shuttle]

Probably a polearm melee?

[still lance]

@cinder badger are you mad little potato ?

[autumn heron]

You never have to pay attention to MP as a healer

[exotic shuttle]

I hope they give Sage enough mitigation tool and healing to not become obsolete

[autumn heron]

You see ur low?

Lucid dreaming

[floral aurora]

Thought AST had that issue, they fixed it?

[autumn heron]

Back to full

[cinder badger]

All right in a nutshell.

Some people say necromancer.

Some people say Templar.

Some people say Final Fantasy XI dark knight 2.0

And everybody is 100% convinced that their answer is correct and you're stupid for seeing otherwise.

[autumn heron]

I mever noticed anything wrong with ASTs MP usage

[exotic shuttle]

AST only has mp issue when people start dying

[autumn heron]

Unless its in Noct sect

Ahh thats why

[exotic shuttle]

Noct sect is crap and I never use it

[autumn heron]

I mean I could see that being a problem

But lucid dreaming eliminates the worry

[exotic shuttle]

Regen >>>> shield anytime

[unique verge]

I'm 100% convinced that anyone 100% convinced is an idiot.

[floral aurora]

So no one should be upset of AST losing its shields basically?

[autumn heron]

Noct is terrible

[forest magnet]

nocturnal wasn't that good anyways

[cinder badger]

I used to play astrologian for the sole purpose of being able to use Collective unconscious

[unique verge]

Noct was literal dumpster fire

[cinder badger]

Because it's the same ability that Y'shtola used

[pulsar yacht]

Nocturnal is annoying both to lose and to use since shields dont stack like regens do

[autumn heron]

It being a pure healer with buffs is a okay

[cinder badger]

Since 1.0

[exotic shuttle]

I’d be quite upset tho

[cinder badger]

And I used to think that was what protect was going to be like

[exotic shuttle]

Bc dual sect was nice

[unique verge]

I am still so fucking annoyed with Yoshi about that

[autumn heron]

They are gonna have to change dual sect huh

[open verge]

I already know they’ll fail the pure healing thing so atleast make the dps fun

[autumn heron]

GIGA REGENS

[unique verge]

Picking "pure healer" as the way to describe the new split. Its the most misleading stupid fucking thing and we're all going to suffer as a result. Fuck off Yoshi.

[exotic shuttle]

I don’t like how they make sub categories for healer

[floral aurora]

When it comes to AST they need to change alot of things imo. Like a MCH change

[open verge]

I like it

Think it was needed

But I don’t think it will be balanced well at all

[cinder badger]

What's the difference between a holy priest and a discipline priest

[random ravine]

they should add a "melee healer" role and put monk in it

healing fist of fury

[autumn heron]

I mean

[unique verge]

"Pure Healer" is a stupid way to describe it because shitty players are going to be like "See, we're intended to heal only and not DPS"

[pulsar yacht]

Res/cpr by punching the dead body

[autumn heron]

People who think healers only heal do it anyway

[random ravine]

technically that's how CPR works

[unique verge]

Yeah but its going to make the situation so much more miserable

[random ravine]

you are continually punching the chest

[autumn heron]

Like WHM has always been described as a pure healer

[random ravine]

to make blood flow

[unique verge]

I dont think that has been the case?

[exotic shuttle]

Regen is always better than a shield anytime

[inner kite]

Lol no

[open verge]

Idk what’s the point of the 2 groups if both groups heal the same way yknow?

[random ravine]

you want a healer monk

trust me

[open verge]

Won’t they all just be healing with ogcds

[random ravine]

then everyone can be a satisfied monk main

[pulsar yacht]

Iirc sb was where they first described pure healing by potency

[exotic shuttle]

For aesthetics

[pulsar yacht]

(brains)

[autumn heron]

SCH amd SGE priorities damage mitigation while WHM and AST prioritizes regen

[cinder badger]

Change the name from healer to support and then split them between healer support and barrier support

[open verge]

Not needed imho

[exotic shuttle]

I’m just gonna wait and see

[floral aurora]

August Mega Live Letter, is going to make some super happy or meh lol

[open verge]

August?

[exotic shuttle]

Bc current WHM ain’t have any regen

[floral aurora]

Its a guess since they said fall

[cinder badger]

I mean that was just a suggestion at a solution since people are complaining about the term "pure healer"

[open verge]

!action regen

[lusty shadow]

**Regen** : lvl 35 WHM (500 MP) (2.5 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Grants healing over time effect to target.
Cure Potency: 200
Duration: 18s

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[exotic shuttle]

It’s pure up-right GCD heal chunk

[open verge]

This skill sucks

Regen is basically useless at max

[exotic shuttle]

You don’t use regen anymore bc of Lily

[open verge]

It also just heals for nothing

[cinder badger]

And then if they were called support rather than healer it further cements the idea that they are also capable of DPS. Because support roles and other games are capable of doing damage

[exotic shuttle]

And most of the time you rely on your co-healer to heal the tank as WHM when your Tetragrammaton is on cd

[floral aurora]

Just to be clear they said everything is going down right? Damage, Heals and HP

[exotic shuttle]

Going down?

[cinder badger]

They said you're not getting weaker there just squishing in the numbers a little bit

Because if the numbers get too big then that's when things get real buggy

[deft burrow]

everything is being divided by 5

[exotic shuttle]

They said ultimately you won’t notice a change according to translated letter

[deft burrow]

you won't notice a % change

[floral aurora]

Thought our hp was getting nerfed to adjust for the change

[deft burrow]

But you'll notice the number changes

[cinder badger]

Also the latest boss has 440 million HP

[foggy trench]

everything is going down, that means enemies are getting weaker too

Probably you won't be able to notice

[floral aurora]

Exactly

And EXP i think too

No

The exp bar

[deft burrow]

Yes exp too

[cinder badger]

Everybody keep saying "weaker" but they're trying to assure people that nobody's getting weaker

[deft burrow]

they mentioned it

% wise you will be doing equivalent

but numbers will be lower

[cinder badger]

And that's what matters

[deft burrow]

yeah

[cinder badger]

People just want to see giant numbers to stroke their egos

[exotic shuttle]

[open verge]

I just wonder how low our numbers will go

[exotic shuttle]

I do like my 150k crit despair

[cinder badger]

Like they can't live without seeing 1 million damage on a crit

[open verge]

Also don’t want my unsynced to get harder

[floral aurora]

10k crit will be the super crit again

[deft burrow]

They will be 20% of current numbers @open verge

So if you hit a 100k that will be a 20k

[open verge]

[floral aurora]

Will miss those dancer numbers lol

[open verge]

If unsyncs are still easy it’s fine by me

[deft burrow]

unsyncs will be harder with undersized parties

[floral aurora]

Think this will only effect arr unsync slightly

[deft burrow]

They said it would affect unsync with undersized parties but we don't know how much

[open verge]

Noooo

[deft burrow]

they said it would be a little harder

[open verge]

I want unsyncs to be easy man

[deft burrow]

but "little"

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[open verge]

I love skipping all mechanics

It’s how I get my trial mounts

[floral aurora]

I mean theres a easy fix for unsync

Buff Echo

[deft burrow]

its only for undersized

tho

that's what they said

unsynced with full parties prob won

won't see a difference

[floral aurora]

I just to solo Nidhogg

[half phoenix]

Well we get the rest of the expansion info in May with the digital fanfest, so....

[deft burrow]

scythe class

[worn bloom]

Even thats not a guarantee

[deft burrow]

yeah

[cinder badger]

If you want to see 500 million damage you can probably always go back to a Korean MMO like MapleStory

[worn bloom]

It's a good guess

[empty moss]

so in 6.0 we are likely gonna fight a Moon Fish

https://youtu.be/P5IxbwAyzK4?t=370

[floral aurora]

I am actually glad SE clarifies stuff

I seen some streams where people were freaking out thinking this was the end of ffxiv

[empty moss]

its still could be

[floral aurora]

Just the end of the arc

[empty moss]

bc if its a closed story some might see it a good place to call it quits

[tardy ingot]

But why

[exotic shuttle]

I wouldn’t mind they drop us another meteor

[empty moss]

life

[floral aurora]

Imo I'm more interested in the calamity/Ancients story

[deft burrow]

Yoshi-P said they wanted to take FFXIV to even higher places in 7.0

[exotic shuttle]

And use a better game engine

[deft burrow]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[empty moss]

and i hope they can

[tardy ingot]

Eorzeans guide to the galaxy

[cinder badger]

"The new Melee Job will use a shoe as its weapon."

[exotic shuttle]

[deft burrow]

Yes

[tardy ingot]

Limsa lominsian hobo?

[inner kite]

I doubt majority would wait for whole arc to end, just to quit playing. If someone has a reason to quit they'll do it at their own convinience

[deft burrow]

Ye

[empty moss]

so Iraqi Journalist is the new class

[cinder badger]

"Just remove Fleche and Contre Sixte, already."

[deft burrow]

Red Mages

[heady shadow]

hey now, shoes are deadly

[worn bloom]

delete monk

[cinder badger]

Seriously though. They need to give those two abilities some sort of meaning other than just "shiny swords do more damage"

[worn bloom]

I get the impression they existed just as weaves

[cinder badger]

Like an actual purpose to using them

[empty moss]

i mean

"shiny swords do more damage"

is its ability

[worn bloom]

I never really thought about it

[cinder badger]

It's just filler damage that's all it is there's nothing beneficial about them

[empty moss]

does it do less than an actual cast?

[cinder badger]

They do nothing to augment the rest of your kit there just filler. Even Manafication gives you a damage buff now

[deft burrow]

Wait but those skills are great

They are ogcds

ogcds aren't meant to do some kind of crazy alternate effect

just weave

4head

[teal geyser]

I'm with Nub actually

Those two are fine, super cool with good damage

[deft burrow]

yeah

[heady shadow]

why stop at weave?

double weave

[teal geyser]

Quadruple weave

[open verge]

The mystical sword thingies should show up in more rdm skills tbh

What even are they?

[cinder badger]

I want a job that fights with a pizza

[cloud basin]

ug ugh hhhhh may is sooo far!!

[unique verge]

We have those already

Pizza is BIS for multiple jobs currently

[cloud basin]

I WANNA KNOW THE NEXT JOB

T^T

[gaunt star]

It'll be Punch Mage

[cloud basin]

don’t tell me another elemetal mage!

[gaunt star]

They cast fist

[teal geyser]

I want to say they have a blurb in EE2, I'll check when I'm in my room next

[teal geyser]

It's melee

[cloud basin]

well, elemental melee?

XD

[unique verge]

But what about elemetal mage

[cloud basin]

0.0

now that’s new

[unique verge]

I MANCE THE METALS

[gaunt star]

CONTROL THE METAL

[teal geyser]

I am surpreme?

[cloud basin]

imagine making wepons from metal an stab slsh IMPALE mobs

[cloud basin]

THE METAL CAN’T BE CONTROLLED!

:3

[gaunt star]

FFXIV rated Mature when

[cinder badger]

When we can get naked without the use of a mod

[worn bloom]

That hasn't stopped people before

[cloud basin]

it won’t happen

[gaunt star]

If you get naked without a mod there’s nothing there

When will they give us actual feet and not sandals?

[carmine root]

Never ever ever

[tardy ingot]

They'd have to give lalas knees first

[gaunt star]

When SE decides to hire more than five 3D artists

[carmine root]

Don't ask for such extreme things