retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[uneven cape]

Fandadongo is a fun villain it seems

[cinder badger]

Just pure insanity and wanting to destroy everything including himself in order to create this Monument of nothingness

[woven escarp]

because fandaniel isn't an unsundered

that's why he's unhinged

[rain onyx]

He seems pretty clear that he never cared about the unsundered ascians

[woven escarp]

he doesn't give a shit because he doesn't have to answer to any of the more powerful ascians anymore

[rain onyx]

So he’s using his power to stir shit

Because he can

[woven escarp]

you've literally killed all his bosses so he's like "fuck this, I can do what I want now"

[heady shadow]

plus with this it shows Ishikawa is a good writer. Not to run Banri off the cliff but she herself is talanted

[rain onyx]

Not an A+ motivation but it’s solid nonetheless

[woven escarp]

I mean, it makes sense though

[cinder badger]

There have been so many theories as to why kefka was so insane.

One such theory was that he was the first candidate to be magitek confused like Celes and it fucked with his head.

[woven escarp]

he's a jealous little fucker who's been forced into line by emet and elidibus for thousands of years

treated as a third class citizen by the unsundered

now that they're all gone he's just going wild and he's going to blow everything up out of spite

[cinder badger]

I just have a very strong feeling there's actually more to it than just that

[maiden lodge]

Said by healer in my raid:

"Hell ya i'm switching jobs, cause when one of you dps gets greedy and screws up you're going in the sage cage"

[uneven cape]

There could be

[woven escarp]

he opposed the unsundered because as a sundered ascian he would die in the rejoining

[uneven cape]

get in the sage cage

Oh yeah he would since he would be rejoined

[cinder badger]

@woven escarp would he though? Or would he be fully rejoined

[woven escarp]

he'd cease to exist like the rest of the sundered ghosts on the source

[gaunt star]

wonder what 6.0 will mean for past content as the trailer and dungeons show most things on fire

[cinder badger]

Yet we seem to be doing just fine growing closer and closer to Azem

[gaunt star]

unless 6.0 ends with a giant water bucket being poured iver eorzea

[cinder badger]

We must be doing something right

[heady shadow]

becavuse we are the Source

[woven escarp]

that's because the WOL is a freakbeast and the exception to pretty much every rule

[uneven cape]

Or something wrong

[heady shadow]

not a ''fajke''

[woven escarp]

for reasons we don't really know yet

[cinder badger]

It's because we know what we're fighting for

We are fighting for grapes

[woven escarp]

"doing X requires a lethal amount of aether, no mortal could handle this" enter the WOL and his infinite mana battery soul

[cinder badger]

Grapes are all that matters

[uneven cape]

Man I love grapes

Anyways I had a cool little idea for Reaper if thats gonna be a thing

[cinder badger]

How many cross hotbars is necessary to play any job on controller

[uneven cape]

So basically my idea is that it would essentially be about applying dots to a target and "reaping" the benefits from those dots in either damage or a buff

[woven escarp]

isn't that how smn worked

or works, I guess

[signal solar]

grapse

[cinder badger]

They just got done taking almost every dot Away from DPS that isn't Summoner why would they make a new job that all about dots

[serene crest]

I wouldn't mind a reverse Doton. Drop a buff zone instead of a ground dot. That could be interesting.

[woven escarp]

well, the thing is that the dots for every job that isn't smn is basically busywork

[gaunt star]

soul gauge spent on damaging move

[woven escarp]

like I don't miss phlebotemize at all

[cinder badger]

It's almost like stripping bard and Machinist of synergy mechanics only to make a new ranged dps centered around synergy.... oh wait

[uneven cape]

Oh and here was the neat little thing about my idea

[woven escarp]

it's nice to have a dumb high potency non-combo skill to use, but at the same time it's just tacked onto the end of the CT combo anyway

since CT and phlebotemize end up being effectively on the same timer

[uneven cape]

There can be a specific point during the dot ticking where you can reap for some damage

[woven escarp]

adding F&C bullshit to drg made juggling phlebotemize annoying

[uneven cape]

It would be hard to implement and a pain for uptime but it might be pretty cool

[cinder badger]

I really don't think a job that's going to use maiming gear will be dot focused

Because it sounds like they want something that looks mean and "tanky"

[woven escarp]

give drg a tank stance you cowards

REEE

[uneven cape]

But they already have one lulw

[cinder badger]

The floor tanking Dragoon

[uneven cape]

Wait is this Yoshi P fallen on the ground with a red bull?

My man's got one thicc wallet

[cinder badger]

"Sometimes you guys just make life so hard to live..."

[balmy mesa]

emoting /playdead

[uneven cape]

Do you think they could've made SAM into a tank?

If they took GNB and made tweaked it in a few spots it could've been a tank. Although given the choice I'd have picked the Gunblade job as tank cuz I'm biased

[rough kestrel]

SAM should have been maiming with DRG

I will never not hate the fact it's striking

[woven escarp]

they wanted the asian themed stuff to go with sam/mnk

since mnk is shaolin kung fu based

[uneven cape]

Ye Monks in general are eastern based

[woven escarp]

sam wearing heavy armor like drg would have been weird

[rough kestrel]

Not at al

[uneven cape]

It would have been a more realistic version of a samurai

[rough kestrel]

There would be less fashion clash with DRG than SAM, that might I'm certain.

MNK*

[uneven cape]

Whereas Samurais in fiction such as anime, video games or movies tend to be less armored

So basically what I'm saying is that if you give SAM Vergil's outfit SAM would be my new main

[balmy mesa]

this?

[uneven cape]

Yeah that or his DMC 3 design

[balmy mesa]

I wonder if we'll see a DMC crossover in 6.0

[cinder badger]

Alphinaud sucks at keeping his mouth shut

[balmy mesa]

that typo

[cinder badger]

I love matoya's reaction though upon learning Y'shtols used her name on the first

Like "Ooooh I am NEVER gonna live this down."

[uneven cape]

Man Y'shtola got lazy and said "eh who cares ima be Matoya now"

[cinder badger]

"Nothing more than a drop in the ocean for the great Master Matoya, hmm?"

[steel mango]

I dont really underatand why she did go by Matoya on the first.

[dim sigil]

Ah the old theories of mayota possessed stolas body

[cinder badger]

Because she felt like it

[uneven cape]

Yeah an example of people going with sort of far fetched ideas

[cinder badger]

And who was there to stop her? Master Matoya?

[unique verge]

You dont understand why she picked that name specifically, or why she didnt use her real name?

[uneven cape]

In retrospect it made no sense for the specific theory of Matoya possessing Sthola's body, but the reason we have here makes decent enough sense

[cinder badger]

I just think she wanted to feel like the one in charge for once, and all these tribal people were completely in awe by her.

[gaunt star]

ngl I feel like they came up with that bit of lore just to mess with people in the trailer

[uneven cape]

Maybe, I can see Yoshi P hearing about that and thinking to himself "oh yeah this is gonna be entertaining"

[cinder badger]

Y'shtola has a long history of sassing her mentor.

[unique verge]

I mean, as to why she picked Matoya specifically, I would speculate it was out of a sense of irony

[balmy mesa]

she didn't want to go by her real name on the first, either way

[steel mango]

Why she disnt use her real name.

[balmy mesa]

hmm, I'll need to go through garlandtools to see why (rustybtw)

[unique verge]

Ah. We have a CS skipper on our hands. The tribe Night's Blessed never use their real names. ALl of them use aliases.

So since she was with them, she had to use an alias

[uneven cape]

Oh yeah I remember

[cinder badger]

Oh yeah I forgot about that little tidbit

[unique verge]

But yeah, about why she picked Matoya - look at her setup at that location. Its in a dank cave, with wooden fixtures and poor lighting, and lots of books. Its basically literally Matoya's cave. Irony.

[cinder badger]

Still I think she got a kick out of using Matoya's name

[uneven cape]

I need to go through the msq again I wanted to get a char on Primal up

[balmy mesa]

definitely.

[cinder badger]

@unique verge she kind of told master matoya as such but matoya doesn't buy it

Like she tells her that her mentors name was the first thing that came to mind but she's kind of like "uhuh, sure."

[balmy mesa]

here we go

[cinder badger]

But it just makes it funny because now she can constantly tease Y'shtola over it

[balmy mesa]

from "Into the Dark"

[dim sigil]

We needa slice of life of ystoals younger days under maytoa

[balmy mesa]

in rare cases, masters their disciples

[cinder badger]

Hey she got that comment about taking you over her knee somewhere. Maybe Matoya dished out plenty of paddlin's in Shtola's youth

[uneven cape]

Could be a neat little series that squenix could do if they put some effort in

[balmy mesa]

or it might be a short story

[woven escarp]

y'shtola definitely got a lot of paddlin

[uneven cape]

Yeah, maybe a short OVA on Youtube or something, they did a little animation not that long ago and I thought the animation looked good

[balmy mesa]

but did she get a paladin? 🤔

[uneven cape]

It was for an ad

[cinder badger]

I have this thought that Y'mitra was the model child and Shtola was the troublemaker

[tiny wind]

yes please

[uneven cape]

Now I have an image of Matoya wacking Y'shtola with a broom and Shtola is just standing there

I forgot about Y'mitra

[uneven cape]

I think squenix did too

[dim sigil]

Are they even close

They dont seem to acknowledge or care at all

[cinder badger]

Y'mitra had Dialogue about Shtola when she got pulled into the first I think

[gaunt star]

Y'shtola never mentions her sister at all, but Y'mitra talks about her all the time

[uneven cape]

I think their relationship seems realistic for siblings, especially if they take two very different paths in life. Y'shtola became a scion entailing fighting primals a bunch, going to several different continents and a whole other dimension (by accident however) and overall very cool. Meanwhile Y'mitra is a bit more scholarly if anything else, but they probably still have some similar traits

[balmy mesa]

can't find the line where y'shtola or one of the scions let slip that she was referred to as master matoya on the first

[woven escarp]

it was alphinaud

[uneven cape]

I actually haven't finished the 5.4 story yet so I can double check it when I come across it

[maiden lodge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/555232408941756437/809275883818582036/unknown.png

[uneven cape]

Being physically active sucks for spending more time on video games but its more healthy if anything else

[balmy mesa]

I lol'd at this scene

[cinder badger]

So I just talked to Y'mitra and this is what she says

[random ravine]

where is that from

[balmy mesa]

5.4 quest

[maiden lodge]

later

[teal geyser]

heh

[cinder badger]

"Y'shtola wrote to me saying that she is safely returned. She never writes. What could she have experienced in Yonder world that is brought on this change?"

[teal geyser]

Love

:3

[deft burrow]

Awww

I'm surprised they update that kind of stuff for old characters if you talk with them

That's attention to detail

[heady shadow]

ye

its been a thing

[uneven cape]

Talking about Y'shtola made me realize how much development the scions have gotten from 2.0 to 5.0

[heady shadow]

someone like me who plays jrpgs that change everyones dailogue every chapter/mid and at the end

i usually check for this stuff on impulse

[gaunt star]

Meanwhile you have some of the NPC's in Mor Dhona who are stuck in 2.X

[deft burrow]

lol

[teal geyser]

Y'mhitra did keep telling her to get a husbando

[deft burrow]

Just marry derplander

[uneven cape]

Maybe we're the husbando/waifu

[teal geyser]

No shut your mouth it's Runar, don't do him dirty like this

[deft burrow]

Nah

[cinder badger]

@teal geyser but she didn't say to go pick up guys on a whole other world

[deft burrow]

They won't be able to go back

[gaunt star]

I'd let Runar take this one, he deserves something nice for once

[teal geyser]

Y'shtola is a rebel

[balmy mesa]

just a reminder that in patch 5.4 they explain in detail how tempering works

[deft burrow]

Y'shtola would only marry someone either equal to or smarter than herself as well as more powerful or as powerful as her.

[gaunt star]

Y'shtola can cheat death not once but twice, I'm sure she'll find a way back to the first

[dim sigil]

3x

[gaunt star]

And remember, she gave Runar that wink

[dim sigil]

Maybe 4

[maiden lodge]

Get Nunh or get none

[cinder badger]

Why did the allagans decide to ignore the possibilities of a cure for tempering

[uneven cape]

I think I remember that Y'shtola said she'll find a way to get to the first

[uneven cape]

Cuz their allagans and they had to take care of allagan stuff

[balmy mesa]

deemed "non-essential" by Amon, probably because it didn't contribute to the war effort against Mercadyia

[gaunt star]

Why did they think locking Bahamut in a moon was a good idea?

[teal geyser]

"So many mysteries left to explore" wink is sexual, don't @ me

[cinder badger]

I wonder if Emet Selch has Amons ear...

[gaunt star]

@teal geyser

:P

[teal geyser]

Because it would literally have powered their empire for eternity, it was a phenomenally great idea but horrifically unethical

[balmy mesa]

no wonder why bahamut was so pissed when dalamud finally fell

[uneven cape]

We're going into the adult section of the Sharlayan library for the new alliance raid wink wink

[gaunt star]

Reminder that wasnt even the real Bahamut

[random ravine]

was the reason for bahamut locked on the moon explained in coils?

[teal geyser]

They got undressed Azeyma in there

[random ravine]

i dont remember

[balmy mesa]

being poked by allagan swords to get aether for 5000 years...

[teal geyser]

I'm in

[teal geyser]

I think so but it's covered in Crystal Tower anyway and you would have done that already

[cinder badger]

With Lunar Bahamut being a thing. I expect Midgardsomr to wake up angry at the twisted abomination in his broods image.

[teal geyser]

Let him sleep

[uneven cape]

Midgardsomr ain't waking up for a while

[random ravine]

yea im surprised midgarsomnir just allowed his son to be imprisoned on the moon with nary a protest

[deft burrow]

Yeah it was just Primal Bahamut

Real Bahamut was much more powerful

[random ravine]

oh that's right

midgharsomnir knew it wasn't the real bahamut on the moon

[teal geyser]

Well you can still ask why he let his son die and daughter get imprisoned

But like

[deft burrow]

Tiamat summoned him to fight the Allagans but the Ascians told the Allagans to use Omega to defeat Primal Bahamut and subdue it to make Dalamud.

[cinder badger]

Nap time is over it's time for Dragon Boy to wake up and fulfill his duties.

[deft burrow]

:DDDD

[teal geyser]

Knowing Middy I bet he followed his promise with Hydaelyn over the fate of his children

[woven escarp]

wake the fuck up dragon, we've got a planet to burn

[teal geyser]

Yeah it's fucked

[random ravine]

i bet 7.0 is going to explore middy and bahamut's storyline

there's so much unresolved there

[deft burrow]

Possibly

[teal geyser]

Bahamut has so little to resolve

[random ravine]

unless 6.0 will explain that too

[balmy mesa]

Mercadyia

[deft burrow]

We still don't know anything about Middy's planet or Meracydia where the first brood was born.

[uneven cape]

Quite possibly

[teal geyser]

6.0 will totally cover Middy in terms of the 24-man raid, I have so much faith

[deft burrow]

Or Omega's planet

[random ravine]

a 24 man raid wont do middy justice

we need a full expansion

[balmy mesa]

the Mamool Ja come from Mercadyia

sounds like FFXI tho

[teal geyser]

Um,
A) we know a bit about Dragonstar
B) Meracydia literally has paragraphs dedicated to it in the lorebook
C) First brood weren't said to be born there

[uneven cape]

6.0 could also be Sharlayan what with Sage

[teal geyser]

They come from The New World

Not Meracydia

[cinder badger]

Omega's homeworld sounds more like a Dissidia thing..

[woven escarp]

we could go to the new world and see what blue mages look like when they're not a meme job 😌

[teal geyser]

As much as I want to go there, I hope not, save it for 7.0

[balmy mesa]

oh, misread that bit, my bad

Meracydia = Australia
lul

[cinder badger]

Omega crosses demensions, he's been to just about every FF world

[deft burrow]

6.0 is definitely going to involve Sharlaya, the twin's father is a Sage

[teal geyser]

I hate Omega lore

[deft burrow]

He will most likely be revealed

[teal geyser]

the twin's father is a Sage
Speculation!

[deft burrow]

Well I'm pretty sure it was stated

[random ravine]

what class is louisoix

[teal geyser]

a smart guy

[balmy mesa]

dead

[uneven cape]

Omega lore was obviously sort of made up on the spot

[cinder badger]

@random ravine Archon

[teal geyser]

Nahh

[deft burrow]

bullshit

[balmy mesa]

archon could be another name for sage

[random ravine]

so archon is gonna be the second dps class?

[teal geyser]

Pretty sure French or something called Archon "Sage" but that doesn't mean anything

[teal geyser]

NO

[deft burrow]

Also how are we going to build that space ship?

The only place that seems like it could build one

[woven escarp]

void ark baby

👏

[deft burrow]

Sharlaya

[teal geyser]

Well we got the Starship Ragnorok under Eastern La Noscea

[deft burrow]

Hmm

[woven escarp]

🤔

[teal geyser]

I think it's Eastern Noscea anyway

[woven escarp]

ragnarok is the name of the containment system used in dalamud

[dim sigil]

We're gonna use the void ark

[woven escarp]

it's just bits of the moon, not a ship

[deft burrow]

Its not gonna be the void ark

lul

[uneven cape]

Void ark mandatory?

[heady shadow]

no

[uneven cape]

Nah

[balmy mesa]

ye, one of them

[heady shadow]

has lore though

[teal geyser]

At the depth of 1,233 yalms, your party comes upon the fragment of Dalamud the Garleans had sought. Its true identity is the Ragnarok, a colossal starship which fell away from the lesser moon moments before Bahamut burst free of his prison over the Carteneau Flats. To reach your destination, you must venture through this relic of ancient Allag. Stay ever on your guard, for every shadow may conceal dangers.

[cinder badger]

@woven escarp We're taking the Void Ark. Don't worry, Yaya knows a few things about Mhachi design, it's in her blood.

[teal geyser]

colossal starship

[deft burrow]

Hmmmm @teal geyser

Possible.

[heady shadow]

wait

[balmy mesa]

ironworks could do something with it

[heady shadow]

which coil is this?

[balmy mesa]

turn 3

[heady shadow]

k

[teal geyser]

has more info in turns 4 and 5 though

At 1,524 yalms below the surface, employing the Ragnarok's drive cylinder as a makeshift lift, your party proceeds toward the main bridge. Yet you must work for every yalm you gain, for Dalamud's internal defenses will not allow you to pass unmolested.

Having overcome the seemingly endless waves of hostile constructs, you and your stalwart companions continue the descent into an unknown abyss. At the depth of 1,910 yalms, you are assailed by a winged terror: an ancient dragon brought to heel by the Allagans and made to do their bidding. The trials grow ever more arduous, but you are resolved to press on for the sake of the truth.

[deft burrow]

I have a feeling we're going to go to Sharlaya

I believe it will involve Anima

[teal geyser]

Sharlayan

[uneven cape]

Guys its obviously a star destroyer guys, we're teaming up with Darth Vader to fight Zenos

[teal geyser]

The name literally has a n at the end

[deft burrow]

We also need the class change for Alphinaud

[cinder badger]

Wait we get molested?

[deft burrow]

Sharlaya @teal geyser

[dim sigil]

Sharlay

[teal geyser]

Nub please

It's literally called Sharlayan

stop it

[deft burrow]

;)))

[teal geyser]

[balmy mesa]

shamalalalaladingdong

[deft burrow]

What do you call their people?

[balmy mesa]

Sharlayans

[dim sigil]

Sharla

[teal geyser]

Also Sharlayan

[deft burrow]

Sharlayans?

Just Sharlayan

[uneven cape]

I think Anima might have something to do with Garlemald

[balmy mesa]

also, just to clarify: Sharlayan, or Old Sharlayan?

[balmy mesa]

they're two different regions

[deft burrow]

Sharlayan @balmy mesa

[uneven cape]

Old Sharlayan is where Idyllshire is I think

[teal geyser]

Might as well class it new and old but yeah obviously means old

[teal geyser]

That's new

because it was established after old sharlayan

[uneven cape]

Well around that area

[cinder badger]

Idylshire is New Sharlayan

[deft burrow]

^

[cinder badger]

They abandoned it after garlemald showed up because sharlayan doesn't want to get involved in outside politics

[deft burrow]

Old Sharlayan is the island to the north

[balmy mesa]

most people returned to old sharlayan when peace talks with the garleans in new sharlayan (idyllshire) fell through

[deft burrow]

Yes

[teal geyser]

weaklings

[heady shadow]

Matoya though is l8ike

fuyck you all

she was supposed to be Lousiox's rival too

[cinder badger]

@heady shadow so was Louisouix

[teal geyser]

and they went at each other like rabid dogs

[cinder badger]

Louisoix didn't believe Sharlayan should isolate

[deft burrow]

kinky

[heady shadow]

i wonder how she felt when he died

now theres no one on my level to argue with

[teal geyser]

I wonder when she knew he died

[balmy mesa]

probably right away

[uneven cape]

"Hehe more room for me"

[teal geyser]

not like she keeps contact

[heady shadow]

i bet he prob visited her when he showed up

[teal geyser]

but he can't visit her when he's dead

[balmy mesa]

honestly wouldn't surprise me if she used that crystal ball as a way to keep an eye on goings-on

[teal geyser]

thus she can't know when he died

[heady shadow]

before he died i mean

before he got into eorzea

[dim sigil]

She found out in 3.0

[heady shadow]

plus she isnt def,

[teal geyser]

I know she isn't deaf. My point is how would she know when Louisoix dies when there is no one there to tell her?

[teal geyser]

Honestly probably

[cinder badger]

@teal geyser she has an all seen crystal ball just like Final Fantasy ones matoya

[teal geyser]

She just hears explosions and is like "uh, crystal ball what is happening?"

[balmy mesa]

if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around, does it make a sound?

[deft burrow]

That Ragnarok find is definitely the biggest lead we have on the ship we will use @teal geyser

Good find

[heady shadow]

depends if the wind carries thesound

[teal geyser]

Eh not really a find, it comes up every few months when we want to make jokes about space allagans being the next expansion

[deft burrow]

LOL

actually matters now

[heady shadow]

Coils for MSQ]

[teal geyser]

imagine

[balmy mesa]

I mean, calling that ship the Ragnarok... we're gonna have a Lunar Cry kind of event aren't we.

[teal geyser]

To be fair Scree actually

[heady shadow]

oh god people would be pissed

[teal geyser]

uh

[balmy mesa]

that's what fanny is doing with the 5G towers

[teal geyser]

You could solo it at level 80

maybe it's not that bad?

[heady shadow]

uh...

[balmy mesa]

I solo'd most at 70

[heady shadow]

I cant get past crazy dragon lady

[balmy mesa]

it's possible

[heady shadow]

T^T

[cinder badger]

It depends on your perceptions of sound. If Nobody's around then their ears are not vibrating with the impact of the tree there for there were be no "sound" however the tree still fell and therefore impacted the ground and vibrated the Earth

[balmy mesa]

two people is all that's needed

[teal geyser]

okay then make just T1, through T5 mandatory

[balmy mesa]

for the ones that require coordination

[heady shadow]

isnt Nael t7?

[teal geyser]

yeah, you CAN do it with 1 but two makes it easy peasy

T9

T7 is snek lady IIRC

[balmy mesa]

even at 70 it was possible

[heady shadow]

i tried doing it with THREE PEOPE

couldnt do it

lul

[teal geyser]

You suck

[heady shadow]

the knockback

[teal geyser]

I have no idea what you're doing

[heady shadow]

no they sucked

the tower

second phase

[balmy mesa]

if you have a tank, you can cheese it

[teal geyser]

pfft imagine not killing her before second phase /s

[heady shadow]

we did have a tank

[teal geyser]

but no it really doesn't take that long

[balmy mesa]

also this

[heady shadow]

i dunno what the fuck happened

so i just didnt bother with it

[balmy mesa]

anyway if they want to make coils mandatory they'd have to make it easier for casuals

they might just make the difficulty same as alex normal

[heady shadow]

thats the thing,

for the most part it is easy

t9 is just stuipid

[teal geyser]

It's really not

[heady shadow]

the savage isnt

[teal geyser]

There are a number of fights in there that just isn't easy

T7 snek lady is bullshit

T9 bullshit

That one...final coil one is bullshit

[heady shadow]

meteors.....

[teal geyser]

I'm sure Phoenix would be awful

Bahamut might be fine idk

uhhhh

Twintania

can go die

[heady shadow]

if someone didnt mind me dragging them into it

[teal geyser]

T1-T3 shouldn't be bad

[heady shadow]

i would resub and finish it

[teal geyser]

T6 and T8 I don't recall being bad

[heady shadow]

they were pretty faceroll with two

[teal geyser]

but for real T5, T7, T9, T10(?), T12, T13

might be issues

actually if I remember what T11 is correctly

T11 too

Seriously I think snek lady is lowkey more bullshit than Nael

[mellow cliff]

does anyone know how long the wait until we'll likely receive more expansion info? Just curious about sage mostly lol

[unreal wadi]

May

[teal geyser]

May

[heady shadow]

end of may

[teal geyser]

for the digi fanfest

[mellow cliff]

oh that was quick lol, thanks guys

[teal geyser]

MAYBE we will get an interview here and there

but that's it

[heady shadow]

i might need to rewatch the snek lady

becavuse I dont remember having problems

and I think I soloed that one

[teal geyser]

I remember doing it ilvl synced and it had the fucking cyclopes adds that you needed to stun looking at the boss when she does her petrify move to turn them into rock

in good areas so that when she does another aoe you could hide behind them

and you absolutely had to make sure they didn't crumble and die from the other snek adds

and you had to focus them

and the snek lady hit pretty hard

and kept doing bullshit aoes

and even one of the adds could do the aoes too IIRC

[heady shadow]

rip

[balmy mesa]

I'd expect yoship to be doing some media runarounds for ffxvi in the next couple months, before digi fanfest

[cinder badger]

I've got a question. What is the purpose of six-sided star

[heady shadow]

transisition phases

for when bosses go untargetable

[cinder badger]

But it's an attack

[heady shadow]

you would originally use that before dumpingthe greased lighting into lightning kick

[cinder badger]

It's a 540 potency attack that increases your movement speed for 5 seconds

[heady shadow]

yeah and?

it puts your GCD's unto a five second colldown

or rather it did dunno what it does now

[teal geyser]

!action six-sided star

[lusty shadow]

**Six-sided Star** : lvl 80 MNK (5.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Delivers an attack with a potency of 540.
Additional Effect: Increases movement speed
Duration: 5s
This weaponskill does not share a recast timer with any other actions. Upon execution, the recast timer for this action will be applied to all other weaponskills and magic actions.

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[heady shadow]

theres no more GL so there really isnt a point to using it anymore

[viscid monolith]

Yes there is

You use it on your last GCD before having to run away from a boss

[heady shadow]

my brain is too dumb to do this lol

[cinder badger]

Kind of neat that grease lightning is just a passive skill speed now.

[woven escarp]

isn't this kind of a TK style ability?

[heady shadow]

until TK became a OGCD ye

[cinder badger]

No more stress of losing your stacks now you can just focus on nailing positionals

[heady shadow]

!action tornado kick

[lusty shadow]

**Tornado Kick** : lvl 60 MNK (45.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Delivers an attack with a potency of 400.

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[heady shadow]

man, it looks so empty

[woven escarp]

still kind of junk

at least it's less junk now

[heady shadow]

give bak steel peak.....

[viscid monolith]

I'd rather have Touch of Death back as a cd than Steel Peak

[cinder badger]

The most annoying part about the controller is when I need to activate an ability I signed to the d-pad

I have to take my thumb off the control stick which means I stopp for a brief moment <_<

[dim sigil]

Not really too big of an issue besides position old and dodging aoes you actually stand still quite a lot in this game

[cinder badger]

I don't like standing still as a Red Mage

I'm always moving and repositioning after every double cast

[silver raptor]

Is second job confirmed physical dps?

[lime estuary]

confirmed melee dps

yes

[deft burrow]

yes

thank god

i'm gonna play it no matter what it is

[somber storm]

Maiming armour

[subtle pasture]

oh they did confirm it was maiming too?

[balmy mesa]

yep

[gaunt star]

There's a little bit of room for ambiguity but like 95% confirmed

[serene crest]

Indirectly, yeah, but seems most likely considering their wording

[somber storm]

Dragoon gonna get a armour buddy

So that means more retextured fending sets

[turbid aspen]

means another dps class that i can finally use the neo ishgardian hat on

yaaaaaaaaaaay

[deft burrow]

lol

[obsidian pagoda]

Imagine having a hat

[maiden lodge]

If you have to disengage for more than a single gcd, SSS is ideal.

[maiden lodge]

Put your 'longcasts' on your normal buttons as well as two ogcds, and your 'shortcasts' which you never use with dualcast on your d-pad.

I use that as a general rule for all casters, in fact

Then, you only rarely will need to use the 'claw grip' where you have your thumb on the stick, index curled around to hit a d-pad button, and middle finger on L2 if needed.

If you're using an xbox controller though, rip

[balmy mesa]

could do it arcade-style

but that's just asking for injury

[worn bloom]

I was tired of the claw back with the older MH titles.

[gaunt star]

Can't believe they brought Kurt Cobain back from the dead to sing for the trailer

[teal geyser]

Kurt Cobain?

More like https://youtu.be/Ym4Bw0-Qb7g

[spiral wagon]

do you think well finally be able to purchase thavnairian items for cheap in 6.0?

[balmy mesa]

like onions? hell naw

[spiral wagon]

onions AND outfit mats

[heady shadow]

welp

https://twitter.com/catventuring/status/1359721651206639619?s=19

Qu'rho (@catventuring)

Oh yeah, I haven't seen anything floating around, so just in case. (re: tribe on the moon)

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[balmy mesa]

ye, I brought out my Namingway just cos of this

[heady shadow]

rabbit tribe aw yeah

[dim sigil]

Yeah we could call them vii

[untold gull]

you guys know what would be absolutely funny?

The Binding Coil of Bahamut becoming required for 6.0

[unique verge]

If that happens, hopefully they do it alongside replacing the abomination that is the original ARR alisaie voiceover

[untold gull]

I'm listening to the State of the Realm and they made me aware that we've actually found a starship before

and i just about flipped the table for forgetting about it

[unique verge]

Waht, the Ragnarok?

[untold gull]

ye

[unique verge]

Yeah

[untold gull]

maybe they'll actually put coil in the roulette?

[unique verge]

That'll never happen

[heady shadow]

better change the reards then

[unique verge]

Sync'd coil is not a free win

[rain onyx]

Only like T1-4 I see being doable in DF

[heady shadow]

isnt that about all you need anyway?

[random anvil]

i DF'd 1st coil once

surprisingly, it cleared

[heady shadow]

was.... it that bad?

[final isle]

with all the various changes over time, they're a lot easier than they used to be, and even back in ARR with higher ilvl they were already pretty easy

[unique verge]

I mean, you can say that

[final isle]

that said once you get to twintania you kinda hit a brickwall if people don't know the strats

even though you outgear it heavily

[random anvil]

i think it was in like 5.2, and no one did any of the mechanics i read about

[unique verge]

But nobody is gonna explain T5/T9/T13 in party chat and have that go well

[untold gull]

i spent most of my time with twintania dead

[gaunt star]

Why do mechanics when you can Outheal the damage

😩

[unique verge]

Cant outheal autodeath

[final isle]

it's not just these either, stuff like the petrify snake lady and everything in last coil would be rough to bother explaining and doing

[unique verge]

The lamia was a real bitch back at the time it came out

[untold gull]

man, it's gonna be interesting tho

[unique verge]

Our first kill on her i was the only survivor

and finished with a friggin tomahawk

[final isle]

they're not hard fights by today's measure but they're also not DF level stuff for the most part

[random anvil]

but for real though, the game should somewhat encourage completing the Coils

the lore is too good

[final isle]

you can solo them if you want at cap it's rather easy now

[unique verge]

T9 is not an easy solo

Not for "normal people"

[final isle]

last expansion a few fights were still rough but currently they're all pretty easy

[heady shadow]

*looks at T9, 13, uh.... 12...11

[final isle]

if you're in 510 gear they should be easy

[gaunt star]

Do you even get a mount from normal coil

[unique verge]

Nael is still very rough for new people

[untold gull]

random question - anyone tried t9 as blu?

[random anvil]

can like 4 smoothbrained people clear them unsyc'd?

[unique verge]

since you have to burst like 40% of her HP in 2 seconds

[final isle]

you can one shot more or less everything in coil with BLU

[heady shadow]

you only need three

but t9 is a pain

[random anvil]

is t9 the one with the golems?

[final isle]

well not like one shot necessarily, but everything usually dies in 15 to 25seconds

[unique verge]

T9 is indeed 'the one with the golems'

and if you're solo the ice instakills you on 2 stacks so

As stated, at the end you have to basically delete her in a couple seconds

[final isle]

you have more than 2secs to kill her

[unique verge]

Its not much more than that from the start of the time the ice starts shooting

[final isle]

it was soloed back in 4.5

[unique verge]

Okay? That doesnt change what im saying

[final isle]

granted it required a lot of shenanigans with Titan egi to do golems properly

well if someone could do it in 4.5, with that lvl of burst

[unique verge]

Saying its easy when you know damn well most players still cant

is disingenuous

[final isle]

with 100ilvl more it's a lot easier

[unique verge]

I can, without problem. It doesnt change that its not something alot of casuals can do.

T8 honestly has a similar solo DPS check

Except that one is more drawn out

[heady shadow]

ye I couldnt do it.

even with a tank/healer once it got to the tower its stupid

[icy dagger]

where can i see the summary of the stream?

[soft gyro]

https://youtu.be/FJLNV5cYN_U

[final isle]

well that's not really a summary, that's the full thing. that said any gaming news website has a summary, and typing endwalker reveal summary in google yields this as the first result: https://novacrystallis.com/2021/02/final-fantasy-xiv-announcement-showcase-summary-endwalker-expansion-detailed/

[strange summit]

Hello

Scythe ?

[rain onyx]

Still just rumors/speculation, unfortunately.

Though Yoshi-P’s shirts point pretty strongly towards it.

[strange summit]

Understandable, have a great day

More seriously, I hope it will become true

[pulsar yacht]

Its supposed to be a unique job so scythe would be too on the nose with past trolling tshirts

[strange summit]

What do you mean ?

[pulsar yacht]

The spiderman tee for sam was a logic puzzle

[untold gull]

I'm still hung up about someone mentioning that it wasn't a weapon head next to zenos but a pommel.

[floral aurora]

Where's that damn time machine at!?

[strange summit]

Ah ! Yes I get it, the whole Sam Raimi thing

Well, it's either Templar because of the name of the Sex Pistols movie director

[floral aurora]

Mamma mia

[strange summit]

Or something else...

[untold gull]

Since i saw judge drace's weapon (dual mace stuck together), i'm leaning towards that, something like a judge class. But i dunno, just speculating i guess

[floral aurora]

Judge Dredd?

[strange summit]

Judge as in FF XII

[untold gull]

Bottom bit was similar is why i leaned towards it

[floral aurora]

Oh xD

[half phoenix]

It’s Reaper

[strange summit]

Gabranth and his pals

[pulsar yacht]

Yeah or a scythe lile weapon, maybe including a chain for ranged attack

[untold gull]

Kusarigama

[strange summit]

Scythe/hammer

But what we need is a scythe

I want to feel edgy

[half phoenix]

I can’t remember the name of the band but second shirt was the cover art for a Finnish band’s first highly successful album

[pulsar yacht]

And just throw the whole thing and it comes back boomerang style because video game logic

[untold gull]

The most common speculation which is also the most likely is that zenos will have the new class and honestly, i'm starting to think it might not be a scythe. Though if it is, it's probably closest to ranjit

[half phoenix]

And we’re basically never getting hammer at this rate

They gave WAR a hammer to get people to stop asking for it

[pulsar yacht]

Im still waiting for war to get a toy hammer glam for shits and giggles

[strange summit]

About the metal thingy near the throne of Zenos, let's not forget SE already did this with the crystal tower in the previous trailer

You couldn't see it in the first trailer

[half phoenix]

We can see it

It’s a scythe -_-

[strange summit]

We can see something yes

Maybe a pliable scythe

[half phoenix]

You can make out the blade from the back shot and we can see the handle in the front shot

[floral aurora]

Would anyone be against a kusarigama weapon instead of a Scythe?

[half phoenix]

Besides it fits Zenos and the moon motif for the expansion

[strange summit]

It's still a smol scythe so I'm fine with it

[floral aurora]

Just find kusarigama cooler

[strange summit]

Plus Zenos is already a weeab

[half phoenix]

Most kusarigama were just used as flails, and we’re doing next to nothing with Othard and Hingashi this expansion, so no reason for the japanese weapon influence

[floral aurora]

Lol

[pulsar yacht]

It would be a lot more distinct from btn tools

Even if it would be in se's interest to copy pasta a lot of btn design

[floral aurora]

Were there any ff game that used kusarigama though?

[half phoenix]

Don’t think so

[strange summit]

Yeah but kusarigama have a chain and Zenos have a bondage kink

[pulsar yacht]

Not like dnc and gnb have an amazing amount of previous content glam options

[half phoenix]

If they did it was just in name for the old 8-bit and 16-bit games

[floral aurora]

Real curious how fast is it compared to dragoon

[half phoenix]

What is?

[untold gull]

Okay, i found the article and we did not, in fact, see any hint of a blade next to zenos https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/lfko5s/why_is_everyone_focused_on_that_one_image_of/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[floral aurora]

Reaper

[strange summit]

OK GUYS HEAR ME OUT ON THIS

[floral aurora]

Since some say it will hit heavy like dragoon

[pulsar yacht]

I would guess the gcd is about 2.2

Not monk or nonja but not drg

[half phoenix]

I still am doubting they’re giving it maiming. They need to just remove maiming and give DRG striking gear

[strange summit]

Shit where is my image

[half phoenix]

The extra armor is very useless for DRG

[strange summit]

https://images.app.goo.gl/cRkxzi2kR58uf9zd7

[wind bough]

Less gear types = less glam variations = nuh uh

[untold gull]

Uhm, you might wanna read #translations-and-liveletters for that interview translation where they mentioned maiming gear specifically on why they looked at making a melee class

I think it's highly likely it has maiming gear

[half phoenix]

I did, there’s no interview mentioning maiming gear

[zealous epoch]

Zenos

[strange summit]

So ! Dual blade you can attach so it can be used as a spear

[floral aurora]

Maybe Reaper will have less ogcds compared to dragoon and dragoon will have more jumps

[wind bough]

・竜騎士だけ特殊な立ち位置なので枠だけ言ってしまうとそこに足すことなったので、6.0新ジョブは近接DPSに決定した
"Since DRG is currently at a special position, if we're only talking about slots it was natural we add it there. Which is why we decided on having melee DPS as our second new job."

Can't really see how you'd interpret that any other way.

[zealous epoch]

Yeah drg use maiming

[half phoenix]

Point out “maiming” in that paragraph

[wind bough]

Use your reading comprehension why don't you?

Jesus

[untold gull]

And of course, you go for semantics

[zealous epoch]

Drg is the only one use maiming

[floral aurora]

Would you be against Reaper having less gcds compared to the other melee?

[untold gull]

Unless, of course, you wanted healer for drg

[floral aurora]

Ogcds*

[wind bough]

It is vaguely worded but it seems like the unique gear type is the only thing he could be referring to.

[untold gull]

Or, i dunno, tank gear for drg?

[half phoenix]

And it could also be implying “hey why are we wasting all these rolls for 1 class, let’s remove them”

[floral aurora]

What?

[wind bough]

It is therefore fairly reasonable to assume the new job will share maiming.

[wind bough]

That would not make any sense

[zealous epoch]

I enjoy all healer class share gears but not drg nor ninja

[half phoenix]

More reasonable to assume maiming is going the way of the dodo

[wind bough]

He's talking about adding something.

[floral aurora]

Didn't they make that mistake in ARR when it comes to gear? Don't think SE is going backwards

[untold gull]

See, by that logic, they should just throw in NIN woth striking gear

[half phoenix]

Nah

Aiming

[pulsar yacht]

If it means being more playable outside japanese internet ping yes no question. Itll be slow feeling but should be easier to play good then

[floral aurora]

If anything Reaper will share gear with dragoon or some other melee

[zealous epoch]

My bag is full if i took drg class

[half phoenix]

Nin is dex, just have it use aiming gear

[floral aurora]

We want more inventory space not less

[wind bough]

Can't see how you'd interpret that comment as meaning "we're removing maiming gear" without being extremely wilfully obtuse.

[half phoenix]

And no maiming = more inventory space

[pulsar yacht]

Removing quest item pages would make server crash please understand 😋

[untold gull]

Why not just make all phys dps one type of gear then?

[floral aurora]

Think ninja messes that up

[untold gull]

That's honestly what you seem to want

And yet he wants a phys dps to wear a ranged dps gear, i don't understand the logic behind that

[zealous epoch]

Wait maiming is not range gears

[untold gull]

The gear separation isn't by stat - it's by class type.

[half phoenix]

I mean ideally nin would just be in striking gear too, but they made it dex for the theme even though it doesn’t really matter

[floral aurora]

It would be much simpler if melee had the same stats
Melee - STR
Caster - INT
Range - DEX

Prefer that honestly

[pulsar yacht]

Role based equipment might be ok but as long as can glam anything otherwise its going to get ugly fast

[half phoenix]

Nah

[zealous epoch]

Nah, you forgot plate vs leather

[half phoenix]

Most of the tome and raid gear are perfectly fine

[untold gull]

Imagine NIN wearing a damn cape

[floral aurora]

Lol

[untold gull]

Jesus fuck, that's a hilarious image

[pulsar yacht]

Nin in amons hat yes

[half phoenix]

.... where’s the plate armor in all the battle robes tanks wear >_>

[floral aurora]

Still think when it comes to glamour, there shouldn't be role restrictions

[zealous epoch]

Mmm a tank wearing dress?

[floral aurora]

Exactly

[zealous epoch]

[half phoenix]

This isn’t WoW where they actually have gear divided by type, cloth, leather, chainmail, plate.

[floral aurora]

You see half naked tanks, so why the restrictions on gear

[pulsar yacht]

Doable with eternal bond equipment

[untold gull]

Or at least have a method to turn a gear into non restricted glamour but that's a bit hard to do on the back end since that would mean rehauling the code that separated the class specific gear in the first place

[zealous epoch]

The gear type is based on class

[untold gull]

We're aware it's not WoW

[zealous epoch]

I don’t see any diff with wow just different naming

[floral aurora]

Damn so that old engine is holding alot of stuff back?

[half phoenix]

The why was plate vs leather brought up

[pulsar yacht]

Its mostly a limitation of development time since glam now needs the item id to reference which is then checked for if its job type and not level locked

[half phoenix]

They can make the gear look like whatever they want. Hell some monk fists are plate gauntlets

[untold gull]

If anything, the melee dps separation is mostly for aesthetics. Fuck, i want a coat on that new bozja gear for my sam but it's the only capeless outfit there

[pulsar yacht]

All would have to do is not check for if its equppable by current class/job

[floral aurora]

Like I understand weapons having restrictions but the gear shouldn't have it. Especially the Odin one. Looks better on a DRK

[wind bough]

Glam trumps other considerations

[untold gull]

Also, some monk weapons are like a gigantic slab of rock

[wind bough]

What Odin one

[untold gull]

Monk doesn't have many good glamour for weapons...

[wind bough]

Odin outfit is omniclass

[untold gull]

[floral aurora]

And I hope we get Odin Unreal

[pulsar yacht]

Odin suit replaces most left side

[wet crown]

Odin Unreal is probably not gonna change much

[floral aurora]

Better than Moogle EX

[zealous epoch]

Ffxiv has too many attributes 😔

[wet crown]

Valknut already deals 50% HP for one

[rain onyx]

Yeah Odin’s trial was basically a hard mode trial but tuned for extreme-ish levels of DPS check

[wet crown]

I guess Zantetsuken is gonna be a fun DPS check

[floral aurora]

But yeah i want way more options for glamour. Especially being able to wear hat and glasses at the same time

[untold gull]

if only

[wet crown]

Odin's set has been repurposed btw

Ramie Robes are the same but dyable

[zealous epoch]

To?

[floral aurora]

Titan and Odin were my favorite arr trial fights

[untold gull]

Also, i just want to have a hood that covered au ra horns

[wet crown]

can't hide your heritage

[untold gull]

Yeah, because we clip our way through anything

[rain onyx]

I hope they give us a breather with the next Unreal being Garuda or Ifrit

Titan is very stressful

[wet crown]

Ahh yes, tanks not pulling Suprana and Chirada apart

[untold gull]

If it's ifrit, all dnc are banned from doing that trial

[rain onyx]

Also traumatic

[wet crown]

what a breather

[floral aurora]

I honestly wish they move onto HW now

Ravana Unreal

[zealous epoch]

There are only 2 left

[untold gull]

Probably in 6.0 they move to HW

[wet crown]

Fuck yes, Ravana EX was my favourite HW trial

[floral aurora]

XD

Alot of HW trials were fun

[wet crown]

I farmed it 99 times...

[rain onyx]

Leviathan is a unique fight, but pretty annoying and honestly a bit outdated in mechanics.

[untold gull]

Also, i was serious, no dnc should attempt an ifrit unreal

[floral aurora]

Only ones I didn't care for were Bismark and Zurvan

[half phoenix]

Um... why would DNC be banned? Technical step wouldn’t melt the nails

[rain onyx]

People cheesed the unique healing debuff with indirect heals or stuff that didn’t do immediate healing

[zealous epoch]

Only hydaelyn and zodiark left for zod

[wind bough]

Ravana is a lot of fun

[untold gull]

No, but steps might end up sploding nails next to each other

[untold gull]

zod?

[zealous epoch]

Zodiark

[untold gull]

OH

[half phoenix]

In fact you’d probably want DNC so you can do nails faster since it could hit like half of them and knock out like a quarter of their hp

[untold gull]

[rain onyx]

You have to have idiot insurance in mind

Because popping two nails at once was usually a death sentence if everyone wasn’t at full hp

[untold gull]

If it's a good dnc, i guess

[pulsar yacht]

The nail debuff is what makes ifirit ex synced shit 90% of the time

[rain onyx]

And the last phase has a lot of nails

[half phoenix]

And yes I know Ifrit nail phase had a stacking fire damage up debuff

[pulsar yacht]

Followed by healers yeeting people

[untold gull]

Man, i wanna know how healers who have never done ifrit ex before deal with ifrit unreal tho

[half phoenix]

I’m just wanting anything but Titan right now....

[zealous epoch]

We fought all primals already

[half phoenix]

I’m sick of permadeath...

[rain onyx]

Yeah I got my red mech mount, Titan can stay being a traumatic memory

[zealous epoch]

Except hydaelyn and zodiark

[half phoenix]

Did you get the horse and minion though?

[rain onyx]

“All primals” is a bit silly to say, since anything can become a primal.

Already got the minion, honestly the horse is too plain to get

I got like 10 or 12 horse mounts and this one is just a shinier Garuda horse

[half phoenix]

Hell WoL might end up being a primal for all we know

That being the new excuse for us getting stronger, more followers XD

[warm bone]

If i pray real hard. Can my fat cat be a primal?

[zealous epoch]

We talking elder primals

[rain onyx]

Throw in some aether and yes.

[pulsar yacht]

If 6.0 msq includes mt ordeals by proxy i can see wol beimg a solo instance

[rain onyx]

Gilgamesh made an Enkidu Primal wishing for him to come back while standing next to a crate of fire crystals

(Can’t remember the exact element of the crystals but not like it matters)

[warm bone]

Oh right. The chicken primal

[half phoenix]

I mean if Dissidia’s WoL could become a primal, why not us?

[untold gull]

Dissidia's wol?

[half phoenix]

The 5.3 trial

[zealous epoch]

You can if you are legendary creatures

[half phoenix]

That design was originally from Dissidia, last I remember

[somber storm]

Gotta have faith

[untold gull]

The model design, yeah, but the original is still from way back from amano's art. And yes, it's because elidibus' power comes from hope and powered with a bunch of other warriors of light with an image of the hero in his mind, he essentially made himself warrior of light incarnate

[zealous epoch]

They said this is the ending story for hydaelyn line?

[half phoenix]

Yes

[zealous epoch]

What’s in 6.1?m

[untold gull]

New adventure

[half phoenix]

No idea

[zealous epoch]

🤔

[half phoenix]

Nothing to do with Hydaelyn or Zodiark though

[pulsar yacht]

Yes. 6.1 is likely finally dealing with zenos and gang

[somber storm]

Hildibrand

[rain onyx]

6.1 is our Beach Episode Filler Arc

[pulsar yacht]

7.0 is new world

[untold gull]

That's honestly all we know, it's the start of a new story, new arc

[half phoenix]

God no, Zenos needs to die in 6.0 and NEVER come back again

[untold gull]

6.0 is the end of the hydaelyn vs zodiark arc

[zealous epoch]

I like zenos as villain

[final isle]

well can expect 6.1 to just be running around getting thanked by everyone and busywork stuff and not much else

[zealous epoch]

He is so... unpredictable

[untold gull]

No lead up to 6.3 for the final showdown - it concludes in 6.0

[half phoenix]

He’s barely a villain

[pulsar yacht]

Should have but se loves to drag on the story for filler

[half phoenix]

I mean he’s fairly predictable honestly

[untold gull]

Eh, who knows, maybe they're setting him up to be like garland but without any sort of possible redemption

[zealous epoch]

Did he blow up the capital city? @.@

[half phoenix]

No, the civil war did

[zealous epoch]

Maybe the words is unreadable

[pulsar yacht]

Civil war + ascian influence

[zealous epoch]

He is unreadable

With that blank stare

[half phoenix]

Nah, we clearly know what he want/is after

[pulsar yacht]

Since its way different in the expansion artwork than in game cutscenes

[untold gull]

I mean, they did mention that they chose paladin as something thematic as the appropriate job for the final confrontation or something like that

[pulsar yacht]

Yeah ff4 and dark knight redemption blah

[untold gull]

So who knows, might be like a WoL vs Chaos like ff1

[half phoenix]

He’s just indifferent to anything that isn’t fighting us to the death, again

[zealous epoch]

We don’t he can change his mind just like a blink

[pulsar yacht]

Since older content used the other tanks for derplander

[untold gull]

Oh it reeks of ff4 but they're not gonna reinvent an ff4 story for this

[zealous epoch]

If he find other more interesting things to pursue he can abandon anything

[half phoenix]

Um...

[pulsar yacht]

If the twins stone themselves for a macuffim im going to flip a table

[untold gull]

What is more interesting than his best friend

[zealous epoch]

That one just insane

[half phoenix]

We’re not his friend

[final isle]

he isn't finding anything more interesting than the WoL though

[half phoenix]

No, that’s not it

[untold gull]

No, in some twisted sense, we are his friend in his mind

[pulsar yacht]

Battle kid is going to battle

[half phoenix]

He only cares about equal/worthy opponents, and we’re the only ones in the world

[untold gull]

Because we're the only one that made him feel something. He craved for that exhilaration he felt when he fought us before

Well, yeah, exactly

[final isle]

little does he know, we're going to be crashing a full moon into his stupid face

[half phoenix]

Then he should have stayed dead

[zealous epoch]

For now. That’s the thing he is unreadable. He might find hydaelyn more interesting.

[untold gull]

And in his twisted mind, that makes us a friend to him. A friend he sorely wants to cross blades with again and kill.

[half phoenix]

Nah

[zealous epoch]

You are not sure

[half phoenix]

Fandaniel is going to try and convince Zenos to take control of Zodiark for more power

[pulsar yacht]

Not enough dialog clues that hes interested in punching god in the face (either hydaelyn or zodiark)

[open verge]

Well it’s not like Zenos came back to life on purpose

[half phoenix]

Since he did the same with Shinryu

Yes he did

[wet crown]

He did not

[half phoenix]

The writers clearly brought him back to life on purpose

[wet crown]

[pulsar yacht]

(the short elezenos cutscene before he picked up his old body again )

[wet crown]

He didn't plan to come back to life

He

Zenos

Himself

[half phoenix]

Instead of just bring in a new villain to replace him

[untold gull]

One problem with that

[zealous epoch]

I don’t trust a guy who killed his own father just to kill one man. Who to say he will not be part of something bigger

[wet crown]

bigger than his butt?

impossible

[untold gull]

They had the outline done even past 6.0

[zealous epoch]

They are very tight lips

It’s still a big mystery

[untold gull]

They would've already known how the story goes and who they need in each scenario

[pulsar yacht]

New world is already planned out thematiclly back in stormblood

[zealous epoch]

Nothing has been revealed plotwise 6.0

[untold gull]

I think he already is

[zealous epoch]

We all just guessing based on current events

[silver raptor]

I'm so hype for the stardew mode

[untold gull]

He was subjected to experiments, fandaniel made a comment about how zenos has a genetic memory of the final days which he assumed was from being related to emet/solus.

[zealous epoch]

Stardew?

[pulsar yacht]

My body is ready to place every cat minion on the island and let them at it

[zealous epoch]

Oh sanctuary

[silver raptor]

Yeah!

[pulsar yacht]

If sanctuary was instanced housing that would be a bonus

[zealous epoch]

Harvest moon

[untold gull]

I think that latter bit is what's disconcerting. I mean before ShB, we were still a seven times rejoined, a confirmed ancient, even if confirmed later, and yet, the only memory we have of the final days was what hydaelyn showed us to awaken the echo

The way fandaniel regarded it was that the fact itself seemed important enough but they never pursued the conversation beyond that

[zealous epoch]

I wonder

Lots of speculation

[untold gull]

I do wonder what they really planned with zenos to begin with

[zealous epoch]

He must have more important role in story to be resurrected

[silver raptor]

I wonder if summoner will see any changes for the next 10 levels

[pulsar yacht]

At this rate probably just someone to kick the wol's ass at convenient times. First contact at rhgars reach aside since that was the msq equivalent of the boss being unsynced rather than the player

[zealous epoch]

Perhaps but that’s too easy

[untold gull]

Who knows, maybe you can use lb3 more liberally?

Or even a smaller version, i guess

[zealous epoch]

We know the writer lives complicated stories

Loves

[silver raptor]

Maybe

[pulsar yacht]

I dont know enough if they will add another big summon and have them upgrade the egis or focus on making smn less shit to play skill intuition wise (current one isnt hard but a lot of route memorization for the 2 min rotation)

[zealous epoch]

They mentioned something flashy will be added to each class

[wet crown]

next upgrade should go to Demi-Bahamut again

making it an auto-summon like phoenix

and upgrading Ark Morn to Morn Afah

[silver raptor]

Ooh

[untold gull]

We finally getting sam its own getsuga tensho- oh wait, wrong franchise

[zealous epoch]

I like to see 2 summons at same time

[wet crown]

I don't think that's possible...

although

[untold gull]

Also, is mnk gonna get ultra instinct-- wait, that's not right either

[pulsar yacht]

I would rather see both where new summon and auto upgrades in trance so garuda becomes bahamut

[silver raptor]

I want alph's carbuncles as glams gosh darn it

[wet crown]

Derplander is definitely a canditate to attune to two trances at once

despite how nonsensical that seems

[zealous epoch]

A bit op?

[silver raptor]

Could we see hydaelyn as a potential third summon?

[zealous epoch]

😆

[wet crown]

Dual Trance - Summon Golden Demi-Bahamut and Blue Demi-Phoenix

[frank raptor]

I think DNC & WHM will get a skill involved their resource since DNC saber bar and whm blood lily only linked to 1 skill only atm

[pulsar yacht]

All it would do in trance is make ruin 3 instant cast so can yeet r2 into the trash

[silver raptor]

Giant angel form from those murals in shadowbringers

[zealous epoch]

And BLM will complain against SMN again

[wet crown]

Who cares.

[rain onyx]

I don’t think Blood Lily needs a second skill linked to it

[wet crown]

They have the most fun AOE of all mages

[pulsar yacht]

Blm people always complain until they top the logs

[rain onyx]

And it’s hard to make a spell that competes with Afflatus Misery

[silver raptor]

I switched from BLM to SMN. BLM bored me a bit. I like the rotation of SMN way more.

[rain onyx]

I’m too smooth brained for SMN

[zealous epoch]

I also prefer SMN it keeps me on my toes

[silver raptor]

Right?

[rain onyx]

I constantly fuck up my Tridisaster usage

[zealous epoch]

Its easy to mess up

[cinder badger]

"you know. Maybe monk doesn't need positionals after all."

[zealous epoch]

But if u get it right = satisfaction

[silver raptor]

😋

[rain onyx]

I also don’t really like how SMN’s damage is spread out over many difference sources

[subtle pasture]

a new Afflatus Depresso Expresso spell would need like, Misery to be nerfed and a single target added

[rain onyx]

It makes it feel small

[subtle pasture]

like flare and despair

but I still think Misery rounds it out nice enough, too

[silver raptor]

I kind of love that. To each their own.

[subtle pasture]

er, not flare despair, foul xenoglossy

yeah that's a better comparison

[rain onyx]

Yeah Misery could be nerfed in damage but lose the falloff to be an AoE spender

[cinder badger]

I love my hand on hip pose~

[rain onyx]

Maybe even make it cost less blood lilies to use

[subtle pasture]

a 2 blood lily oGCD...

prob not, the lily system kinda rotates around being GCD based

[zealous epoch]

OTOH sch aoe dmg Art of War shouldn’t be melee range

[rain onyx]

Art of War does the most damage of the healer aoes though

[fallen girder]

Coward talk

[rain onyx]

So it has that tradeoff

[silver raptor]

You know I'd enjoy a decent heal spell for summoner come 6.0. phoenix does heal but it would be cool to have more.

[fallen girder]

Let me right in the middle of the action

[zealous epoch]

😆

[subtle pasture]

instant too, so it kinda completes the trio of like

[fallen girder]

slaps ground aggressively

[subtle pasture]

PBAoE stun, Instant PBAoE, and ranged AoE

[fallen girder]

Sage aoe looks like its gravity

[subtle pasture]

which reminds me, we already know Sage's aoe is gonna be a ranged one too

[zealous epoch]

Ok, that spells at least make me awake

[subtle pasture]

--assuming that's not a mechanic like afflatus, at least

since, the nouliths

[ruby seal]

what's the harvest moon thing people keep mentioning about the latest news?

[silver raptor]

I often play the role of reviving the healers when they die, it would be nice to get them back up to full quickly to avoid a party wipe.

[fallen girder]

What ig sage aoe is a placedown

Like old freeze

[rain onyx]

Place down would be cancer to spam

[ruby seal]

can we have farm plots?

[fallen girder]

It would be terrible

[ruby seal]

outside of the wimpy stuff

[fallen girder]

Count me in

[rain onyx]

Not even a fun terrible

Just an annoying terrible

[subtle pasture]

could be a field a la aslyum, SS, ES

[fallen girder]

Enjoy macro delays

[subtle pasture]

seemed to be pure damage, so likely not

[zealous epoch]

Yes

[subtle pasture]

time to rewatch frame by frame to see if it was centered on the mob or not

[fallen girder]

It's probably gonna be a 2.5sec cast gravity cuz only ast gets good things in life

[subtle pasture]

twas targetted indeed, and seems the hitbox itself was X shaped

so, that's another "oh no"

--likely just the visual, hopefully