yeah, they made it seem like 6.0 is going to be ARR sized
#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
woven escarp
maiden lodge
'Zenos never sat around on a throne bored in Stormblood'
Zenos in Stormblood:
They said it's about the same as SHadowbringers, don't be silly.
maiden lodge
He’s not bored though.
okayyyyyyyyy
autumn heron
Really? Cause I watched the conference and they didnt say that
heady shadow
he;s waiting for the WoLto stoptaking pics of the dungeon
deft burrow
Zenos went from sitting on a throne in Stormblood -> Getting his ass kicked -> Hunting us down without his body -> Sitting down on a throne again.
deft burrow
¯_(ツ)_/¯
maiden lodge
Zenos went from sitting on a throne in Stormblood -> Getting his ass kicked -> H...
Right, thank you for admitting that he sits on thrones bored and it's part of what he does.
floral aurora
I'm on board if we get 4 trials instead of 3 this expansion
deft burrow
fair enough
gaunt star
He’s thinking about how he would like to have his ass kicked next.
maiden lodge
That's all we need to establish--it is in his character.
woven escarp
since the WOL is the only one who can beat his ass zenos is just bored until the WOL comes back to him
there's no sense in killing anyone else anymore, they're just so far beneath him
maiden lodge
That said
floral aurora
Like I wouldn't mind if SE tricks us in believing the 3rd trial was the last fight but when there's actually another one
inner kite
there's no sense in killing anyone else anymore, they're just so far beneath him
Except those soldiers in the palace, and probs half of garlemald
maiden lodge
looking forward intensifies
deft burrow
scythe
maiden lodge
Except those soldiers in the palace, and probs half of garlemald
Those are utilitarian kills, there's no joy in it, they're in his way
subtle pasture
Being bored, being bored, becomes a dragon, gets his ass kicked, happily commits seppuku, comes back, again bored bexause all he wants is to rematch his dearest friend, goes for his body, deals with a fatherly loose end, being bored, meets a jester,
kind lark
He kinda looks happy
gaunt star
I wouldn’t mind if SE just admits that WOL is a primal. /s (maybe)
floral aurora
Lol
inner kite
Those are utilitarian kills, there's no joy in it, they're in his way
Dude didnt even need palace
maiden lodge
Dude didnt even need palace
No, he needed Varis to stop Black Rosing his friend
floral aurora
WoL to WoD and back to WoL
kind lark
WoS
woven escarp
zenos literally just kills everyone in the palace because he wants the place to himself 
inner kite
No, he needed Varis to stop Black Rosing his friend
Yeah but he just teleported afterwards
floral aurora
We need a new title lol
woven escarp
"nobody can be in here except me and my friend"
kind lark
Warrior of Space
silk dragon
more like Warrior of Dawn
floral aurora
subtle pasture
he'll see the world burn if it means one more exciting, final duel with his dear friend
maiden lodge
zenos literally just kills everyone in the palace because he wants the place to ...
I mean they're annoying, corpses annoy him less
subtle pasture
which, is what we're getting
gaunt star
Paladin of Space.
primal sundial
I wouldn’t mind if SE just admits that WOL is a primal. /s (maybe)
I mean.
We are a very powerful being and a lot of people put their hopes in us.
gaunt star
^
silk dragon
he'll see the world burn if it means one more exciting, final duel with his dear...
i think you mean his Enemy his friend
gaunt star
Reminds me of a certain guy. 
deft burrow
I wanted to get black rosed
maiden lodge
I mean.
We are a very powerful being and a lot of people put their hopes in us.
We're not Elidibus. We already know what 'WoL is a Primal' is
primal sundial
It makes for a fun theory though
inner kite
Reminds me of a certain guy. <:louisoix:665688536011243520>
Sephi
primal sundial
Like “imagine if “
gaunt star
6.0 and the moon is about to crash into Eorzea.
deft burrow
probably
maiden lodge
It makes for a fun theory though
ehhhhhhh. I find theories fun when they have a measure of plausibility
gaunt star
Everyone wishes for WoL to save data.
Boom.
WoL is now primal.
Take that, Phoenix.
maiden lodge
My propensity for Equinox shitposting aside
subtle pasture
Idk, 'm coming from speculating if Save the Queen was primal or lucavi,
and then the field notes on the Lady goes "yes."
maiden lodge
Idk, 'm coming from speculating if Save the Queen was primal or lucavi,
tbf 'primal shit' and 'auracite shit' are related in multiple was
ways
silk dragon
what if Zenos last words were goodbye my Enemy my true friend
gaunt star
Everyone will cry.
subtle pasture
True enough, Allag was able to adapt auracite into primal-invokers
primal sundial
slams hand on table
Zenos becomes a scion
silk dragon
i mean if Zenos becomes the so called new heart of Zodiark
subtle pasture
...distinct from the eurekan arms, even, mind, which are primal weapons
maiden lodge
True enough, Allag was able to adapt auracite into primal-invokers
Connection dates back further than that, they've been connected since the Flood of Darkness. The Heart of Sabik. Ultima being a primal that gives out Auracite.
maiden lodge
inb4 the Heart of Sabik is a trigger weapon
It predates allag, but why not?
subtle pasture
yeah, fair 'nough, probably involved in the research to trigger weapons
maiden lodge
Using Auracite to do Primaly shit is the oldest trick in the post-sundering book
subtle pasture
which comes to me really hoping the concept isn't a one-off for Bozja
though, all trigger weapons amount to narratively is "primal summoning swords for echoblessed"
hardly a new concept in the story, just a new tool for same ol' same ol'
maiden lodge
though, all trigger weapons amount to narratively is "primal summoning swords fo...
It's yet another connection between Primals and Auracites in a narrative already chock full of them
snow warren
This is my take in the next melee dps Im in the Templar boat but more towards the like if starcraft 2 dark templar like the weapon in the picture or in the style of Zidans 2h weapons from ff9 https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5f/a9/2b/5fa92b3e3b4656302ad67620748b9642.jpg
subtle pasture
If you could consider the Seraph's auracite capability of warping its wielder into the primal-like form of a Lucavi, a "flaw," then it could be argued Allag "perfected" the process, with the use of smithing weapons from the material for echoblessed wielders
silk dragon
so think Sage will be a Job that has Alag origins?
subtle pasture
mind, the Heart of Sabik and Black Auracite is still auracite attuned to the essences of primals, and the Seraph's auracite is attuned to memories
...well, synthetic auracite is also attuned to "memories," so
silk dragon
i wonder what new Demi sumons we will get in 6.0
subtle pasture
which tl;dr is just me makin' the case that these auracite attunements might make them more different than they actually are, but,
Sabik lore when orz
silk dragon
a Demi Shiva maybe?
subtle pasture
I really don't know where 80+ SMN could go, but i also didn't see Demi-Phoenix coming at all
heady shadow
This is my take in the next melee dps Im in the Templar boat but more towards th...
funny, this is what I think Zenos is going to use.
I brought it up couple days ago.
silk dragon
too bad we dont have job quests anymore
heady shadow
dunno about it being for the dps class but ye
subtle pasture
I like the role quest series, hope the next announcement at least gives their theme
heady shadow
I want thew DNC friend we made be the ranged dps one
silk dragon
i would have liked to have a quest where you have to attune for more Demi sumons like Shiva and Thordan
floral aurora
Dancer one was interesting
cinder badger
So I just ran that dungeon where I fight the giant pig
I can't do this shit on a freaking controller I swear
heady shadow
its not hvrd
floral aurora
Controller all the way
heady shadow
just prvctice
silk dragon
or maybe upgrade your Egis to a Demi summons
silk dragon
^
half phoenix
Well Demi-Alexander next on the list
silk dragon
if you did the raid
heady shadow
i use 32 slots myself
gaunt star
I can't do this shit on a freaking controller I swear
Gotta build up that muscle memory, son.
heady shadow
but double tapping r2/l2 us good
gaunt star
^
silk dragon
You got Bahamut and Firebird without needing the raids
technaly bahamut was a quest reward
half phoenix
And 3.0 literally closed with Alexander
gaunt star
6.0 final boss is Bahamut but uncompressed this time.
silk dragon
so shiva be called the iceheart trance?
silk dragon
6.0 final boss is Bahamut but uncompressed this time.
just for a few secs
half phoenix
I just wish people would get over SMN’s summons not being 1 off attacks. Do you really want a minute and a half of resource build-up for 1 attack that’s suppose to be the gimmick/trademark of the class???
silk dragon
^
silk dragon
even FFXI did 1 off atacks with odin and alexander
severe brook
i mean personally, if i were designing it, i'd have the 1 off attacks be the buildup
culminating in a Demi equivalent being summoned for a longer period of time
half phoenix
No, you wouldn’t
primal sundial
Summoner needs to stop the fight for a minute and a half while the entire party watches the animation for the summon
severe brook
Summoner should be able to recreate the entirety of Knights of the Round
half phoenix
Because then people would be complaining the attacks are too weak to be worth being called summons
silk dragon
Summoner should be able to recreate the entirety of Knights of the Round
or have multiple demi knights
like ff7 did
kind lark
Just killed zenos
half phoenix
Well it was the KnightS of the Round summon, in every incarnation, plural, not singular
kind lark
I killed him in Ala Mihgo
severe brook
technically we never killed zenos
deft burrow
Same
half phoenix
I just hope this time we actually kill Zenos and he’s gone for good. He’s the most boring villain, probably ever
silk dragon
I just hope this time we actually kill Zenos and he’s gone for good. He’s the mo...
it might invlove a auracite
primal sundial
we already had the "boring villain" discussion today, come back tomorrow
kind lark
Like shooting a barn
deft burrow
lol
deft burrow
we already had the "boring villain" discussion today, come back tomorrow
its on cooldown
primal sundial
exactly
half phoenix
Wait.... Zenos is just Gettemhult from PSO2, but without any kind of redemption backstory
kind lark
Wait is Zenos acutally 89 years old?
gloomy shale
You think that this is it for adding tanks and healers? Seems like 4 is the sweet spot to balance
half phoenix
Yes, because there was literally nothing new for healers to do mechanically XD, and there still isn’t
deft burrow
You think that this is it for adding tanks and healers? Seems like 4 is the swee...
melee begs to differ
gloomy shale
Yeah healers are currently press Dps button 1 90% of the time
half phoenix
No need for cleric stance
deft burrow
just have them do something
half phoenix
Healers damage is scaled off mnd
deft burrow
how about they rework healers to have a healer phase and a dps phase
completely different abilities
:DDD
half phoenix
No
deft burrow
Yeah ik
That's a meme
Maybe we should have more mechs that require rescue or new abilities that move people around or stuff
healer specific abilities
half phoenix
A meme requires it to be 1. Good/funny. 2. Well known enough for a lot of people who don’t know each other to all understand it
half phoenix
And god no, rescue needs to be removed
deft burrow
yeah'
half phoenix
Too many healers still trolling with it >_>
primal sundial
nope
deft burrow
The only way to increase what healers do in fights aside from mashing 1 dmg button outside heals is to add healer specific abilities or something
gloomy shale
Yeah it feels bad when someone rescues me
primal sundial
even if it becomes useful once every month, I wouldn't remove it
kind lark
If its removed I would have to watch my dps get destroyed by an aoe
primal sundial
^
half phoenix
Or they have no idea how it works and thinks it rescues them, instead, they drag you into the placed aoe and kills you too >_>
kind lark
I wish
half phoenix
No
gloomy shale
give healers another dps button
deft burrow
yes
half phoenix
Nah
primal sundial
give healers midare setsugekka from SAM
deft burrow
^
gloomy shale
2 dps buttons is too hard lets be honest
deft burrow
true
half phoenix
Slightly up the glare equivalent, no need for more buttons
Remember, button bloat was a problem prior to ShB
gloomy shale
Just put in Seraph Strike I'll keep sayin it
subtle pasture
oh, what're the uhhh JP titles, for Endwalker and Pandaemonium
bc I see their JP names in the corners but I, cannot read
deft burrow
i thought you said JP tities for a sec
primal sundial
JP tities 😩
deft burrow
cinder badger
I just need a desk to set up and then I'm using a keyboard and mouse lol
gloomy shale
Will we need mettle for the last Bozja patch?
half phoenix
Most likely
cinder badger
Hah. She called G'raha "catboy"
half phoenix
You need 700k to unlock Delubrum Savage. Wouldn’t be to much to assume 5.55’s addition, problem a dungeon, will require mettle to unlock as well
gaunt star
You'll probably need to be rank 15 to access the new area too, or atleast it might be recommended
half phoenix
I still doubt we’re getting a new field area
gaunt star
They said we are
half phoenix
No, they said we’re getting another comtinuation
And they said prior they wanted EVERY STAGE to be different
gaunt star
It'd be pretty lame if we only got one area of bozja tbh
gaunt star
Tired of looking at the same brown and grey zone
gaunt star
Yeah
half phoenix
Why would the BA equivalent be the MID STEP?
gaunt star
They announced they'd be doing the BA equivalent halfway through before the first zone was released
half phoenix
Also where else is there to explore for Bozja???
The southern front is basically all of actual bozja
Not to mention a new zone will just make the castrum chokepoint even more of an issue than it is currently
gaunt star
They said there'd be a new zone in 5.55 but I can't remember the name off the top of my head
cinder badger
Wait what patch are we in right now
subtle pasture
Zadnor
gaunt star
5.45
gloomy shale
6.0
subtle pasture
y'all mean we're not in 8.3?
gloomy shale
nah 8.3 was last patch
tiny wind
zenos is big butt
gaunt star
Actually I got it reversed, we're in patch 45.5
gloomy shale
Calculator is finally added to the game
primal sundial
Patch 9000
gaunt star
And BRD has been removed from the game
tiny wind
hey no
gloomy shale
and renamed Archer
kind lark
Replace BRD and gunslinger
gaunt star
And then gave them back because they remembered "Oh shit, bards are supposed to sing"
gloomy shale
memes aside I actually like BRD's playstyle
tiny wind
ive been maining since 2.0 beta u cant
gaunt star
ive been maining since 2.0 beta u cant
They'll just removed your songs from the game effectively making you just an Archer again
tiny wind
at least its not bowmage
unique verge
Bowmage was easily the dumbest fucking class design SE has ever done
How the fuck that made it out of QA is beyond me
gaunt star
I think removing the songs was, (I'll still never get over them doing that)
woeful dagger
Bowmage was easily the dumbest fucking class design SE has ever done
Why?
teal geyser
Bowmage was easily the dumbest fucking class design SE has ever done
It wasn't
That was gunmage
gunmage had the shitness of bowmage mixed with the bullshit of rng
teal geyser
hell even when you think about it, a bow makes more sense to have to have a second before shooting rather than a gun and a trigger
unique verge
was that there was a point in the gear progression where
it was mathematically superior to ignore all of your new HW abilities and not activate minuet
teal geyser
not afaik
unique verge
It was during the first tier of Alex
teal geyser
I remember at the very least from Sohm Al forward it was better to use minuet
teal geyser
It was during the first tier of Alex
just because of mechanics?
unique verge
Yeah basically because you could anticipate a certain amount of casts being interrupted it mathed out to be superior to just not use any of it
teal geyser
Alright that's pretty funny
but still
gunmage sucks more
it feels worse to play
I loved the reload animation and sad it's gone but I'll never fucking miss the ammo system
unique verge
I'm just glad that stupid fucking barrel attachment is gone forever
gloomy shale
yeah everyone agrees I think
teal geyser
I'm just glad that stupid fucking barrel attachment is gone forever
man that Stormblood MCH leveling experience is interesting. I remember farming low level fates with it and ughhhhh
mint herald
I wonder what new skills will the jobs have in the next expansion
gloomy shale
I remember I used to do dungeons and people wouldn't put on the barrel all the time
heady shadow
Cali I got a idea for you to shut down
Fandaniel's tower in garlemald is the Tower of Babel
cinder badger
@heady shadow no it's the Tower of kefka
heady shadow
I usually let Dis or Cali correct me.
maybe rommy but they arent here
teal geyser
Cali I got a idea for you to shut down
I wish I could shut that down but frankly that's feasibly possible
FF4 references are pretty ripe
velvet fox
Yeah, it would be fitting. Could be nifty.
cinder badger
I would walk right up to the kobolds and just flat out tell them
cinder badger
My Titan can beat up your Titan
heady shadow
besides i considered kefka tower as babel anyway
teal geyser
"If that's the tower of babel and it's weirdly fleshy than what is Babel"
maiden lodge
They never go full 'this is x the expansion'
Shadowbringers trailer: 'THIS IS FF3 THE EXPANSION'
heady shadow
gaunt star
hardly
maiden lodge
Actual thing: 'Only one part is FF3, the part we'd already played'
heady shadow
maiden lodge
Honestly though, it's probably thematically both the tower of babil and the tower of kefka
heady shadow
teal geyser
I don't know much about Kefka's tower so I can't comment on that
maiden lodge
Both 'a way to contact the moon' and 'the nihilist's repurposing of the imperial capital city'
velvet fox
Well, with our crystal story finally ending at the end of 6.0, I could see them going really damn "This is FFIV" for 6.0 through 6.1, then it's anybodies guess.
maiden lodge
I don't know much about Kefka's tower so I can't comment on that
Kefka's Tower is when the nihilistic evil megawizard, Kefka, having just usurped the empire by slaying the emperor, took the ruins of the capital and made it until his tower and base where he created calamities to destroy the world for funsies
...actually kinda on the nose
maiden lodge
was it fleshy?
In parts.
teal geyser
The tower of babil wasn't fleshy either.
Yeah but if Kefka was fleshy then it points it further in that direction was why I asked
maiden lodge
Yeah but if *Kefka* was fleshy then it points it further in that direction was w...
Kefka's Tower is a mess, is what it is
maiden lodge
I mean it's likely both, they don't always go THAT on the nose either
inner kite
Matrix: Endwalker
Ah human powerplant, was that somewhere in ff lore where someone build a tower on corpses
teal geyser
tower of corpses.....
gaunt star
The tower of Babil was alien in nature like the giant, high tech
gloomy shale
You think there will be different gear sets for regen healers and shield healers in the xpansion?
teal geyser
I can't think of a tower of corpses in FF
I can think of some big structures from hell but that's about it
gaunt star
No changes to healer gear
floral aurora
Sage Alph gear xD
gaunt star
Exdeath’s castle was made of gore from the inside
teal geyser
honestly this trailer is ruined for me now
floral aurora
Why? :(
gloomy shale
I can't wait for the full trailer with the melee dps
teal geyser
primal sundial
EEEEEAAAAAAAAEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAA
floral aurora
Melee in the trailer is going to be epic
inner kite
Exdeath’s castle was made of gore from the inside
Yeah it was exdeath, thanks
kind lark
Team scythe
heady shadow
team doublebladed axe/halber/scythe
floral aurora
Hope this trailer teaches players to not run ahead of their tank
heady shadow
pffft
floral aurora
PLD had to save the day
floral aurora
Well this time SE put it in the intro trailer xD
signal minnow
g'raha tia will end up being a Necromancer i believe?
heady shadow
no thanks
kind lark
g'raha tia will end up being a Necromancer i believe?
How come?
signal minnow
cuz he has no class lol
and people love him i guess
so he can wear his hood again
inner kite
Isn't necromancer a job for a villain
inner kite
If anything, I'd say fandango will become one
kind lark
They'll probably just give a name to his current job
cinder badger
"My plan is to eventually remove summoner completely from the game."
floral aurora
If we do get a Reaper job, I hope the icon for it is a Scythe icon
gloomy shale
what is Sage Icon tho
serene crest
Probs the nouliths in some stylized fashion
velvet fox
Sage icon is a complete mystery to me
Stylized Alphi's head.
floral aurora
serene crest
Like how SAM is the sword guard and RDM is the focus and rapier assembled into their casting form while also being a combined WHM staff and BLM rod turned upside down.
cinder badger
Are those Towers producing sound?
severe brook
i don't think they've been noted as doing so yet
copper marten
While we’re at it can someone explain to me what the GNB icon is
cinder badger
So that one guy getting possessed and saying glory to garlemald....
Cult of kefka reference?
rain onyx
@copper marten it’s basically looking at the weapon head-on. The circle is the “revolver” that holds the bullets/charges and the slash through the middle is the blade.
cinder badger
It's actually a slashed Crosshair
copper marten
Oh. All I’ve ever seen is Z
cinder badger
Get it?
kind lark
GunZerker
wet crown
Funny. One team had 6 tanks in a run of mine.
cinder badger
I believe Yoshida actually mention that. It's being a Crosshair
brisk quail
Mfw someone else does the countdown and pulls and then bitches they got slapped with a tankbuster and lost mettle
midnight forum
the shirt so yall can theorize about it
brisk quail
Be a tank or get spanked
kind lark
NO COMMENT
cinder badger
@midnight forum you're very late to the party
midnight forum
awe
wet crown
be a WHM with Lost Incense
midnight forum
what did i miss
wet crown
tank the shit out of everything
midnight forum
<@265925835741986817> you're very late to the party
Doot
heady shadow
A wizard is never late, nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he needs to
cinder badger
Speaking of which I need to go to the place where the tasty grapes grow
teal geyser
You'll never see it coming
Wait....thief confirmed?
wet crown
That's what my midlaners always act like
kind lark
Wizard job?
teal geyser
...but there's always been a caster in every cinematic
Stormblood
floral aurora
I mean our guy
wet crown
Wait until the New World expansion for BLU to be represented
floral aurora
The WoL
teal geyser
Wait HW didn't have a caster either
floral aurora
He's always something but never a caster
teal geyser
unless you count the 7 year old with the hat
teal geyser
He's always something but never a caster
I'm still holding out on a Derp SMN
one day
floral aurora
I hope they reworked Summoner
forest magnet
yeah there's no caster in HW
forest magnet
i htought we were talking cinematic
wet crown
Yes, let's rework SMN. Again.
floral aurora
I'm talking about WoL in cinematic
cinder badger
@floral aurora didn't you read my earlier post?
I predict in the future Yoshida will completely delete Summoner
wet crown
like that doesn't happen twice per expansion
teal geyser
like that doesn't happen twice per expansion
rework it until it's not shit
inner kite
<@231625232199188480> didn't you read my earlier post?
I predict in the future ...
Just like nier deleted datacenters
floral aurora
<@231625232199188480> didn't you read my earlier post?
I predict in the future ...
Better not delete my Summoner! Summomer > BLM
Sorry Yoshida
cinder badger
@floral aurora it's no secret that Yoshida hates pet jobs. And after just completing the 5.4 msq it has become clear to me that they got this thing going where they want to completely remove summoning
forest magnet
huh
kind lark
Will sniper be the next job?
teal geyser
completing the 5.4 msq it has become clear to me that they got this thing going where they want to completely remove summoning
Ah yes because tempering was ALWAYS part of summoners whole thing
floral aurora
No way they are ever deleting summoner
teal geyser
(seriously if you think they are going to delete a job you are stupid)
forest magnet
more like pet jobs were just not a good design to begin with
teal geyser
I just wish they made egis tied to attacks themselves
wet crown
To Ruin and Outburst
floral aurora
Think the real issue was ARN tieing SMN/SCH together
forest magnet
at least for SMN they can just convert the egis into trances to completely get rid of pet jobs
for that job
SCH is harder
since fairy is so tied to job lore
floral aurora
That's something they wish they could undo
wet crown
I absolutely don't want a trance-riddled SMN
gaunt star
I’d prefer trances over egis tbh
floral aurora
Same
cinder badger
You can't make Summoner good on this game. They've tried for many years and still can't seem to nail it
teal geyser
at least for SMN they can just convert the egis into trances to completely get r...
Everything being trance would be boring as hell
gaunt star
But the best thing would be demi summons to choose from
floral aurora
Think the whole Phoenix thing was a step in the right direction
wet crown
You can't make Summoner good on this game. They've tried for many years and stil...
HA! Only has some of the highest parses
teal geyser
I don't Mario
wet crown
cinder badger
@floral aurora that's exactly what they said about Demi Bahamut
teal geyser
You can't just keep making a new demi all the time and not address the actual egi issue
gaunt star
However because the two 3D modelers working at SE are simultaneously working on FFXIV, ffxvi, and FFvr part 2 it’s not happening
floral aurora
That's why I think they should completely rework it like they did MCH
forest magnet
HA! Only has some of the highest parses
Ninja was essential to raids yet was not fun to play
SCH is great for raids but plays like chocobo shit shoved through the long forgotten holes of Aurum Vale
gaunt star
Also in their free time they are busy making summon cutscenes in full cgi for ff brave exvius
teal geyser
That's why I think they should completely rework it like they did MCH
agreed, I just wish they made SMN play like this https://youtu.be/V9dqTMUMtGY
forest magnet
"its parses are good" is not an excuse
teal geyser
does skill, egi comes out, does thing, leaves
cinder badger
@forest magnet I was actually about to say that
I don't give a shit about parses, the job has issues
inner kite
Or one pet with all of the attacks
forest magnet
there are more SCH parses than AST but if you ask almost anyone they'd agree that AST plays better than SCH
gaunt star
Dissidia yuna was good but think of how DEVASTATED some people would be if they changed egis just like how some people would be emotionally damaged if they dared to fix elezen bodies
teal geyser
Dissidia yuna was good but think of how DEVASTATED some people would be if they ...
If they changed demi and trance I think people would be mad but if they just changed the base egis to be like this this would ALSO allow them in future to give more egis like shiva or ramuh egis as one off attacks and everyone would be way more happy
since you get more representation ability and no one likes normal egis anyway
cinder badger
@forest magnet and Scholar comes from the same class that Summoner does. The pet jobs on this game just have problems.
wet crown
- Egis don't attack by themselves anymore
- Egis only attack after using a Ruin spell, Outburst, Enkindle or Egi-Assault
- EAI is always single target ; EAII is always AOE ; Enkindle is always AOE with dot
- Egi attacks are triggered immidiately regardless of animation
- Demi-Bahamut and Demi-Phoenix are now stationary
gaunt star
Ramuh egi still just be chilling in the files like a jobless deadbeat
teal geyser
EXACTLY
forest magnet
<@238495622712393729> and Scholar comes from the same class that Summoner does. ...
how did they fix MCH? they removed the pet
teal geyser
This is why the Yuna system in Dissidia is so good
floral aurora
agreed, I just wish they made SMN play like this https://youtu.be/V9dqTMUMtGY
Yeah Jobs like SMN, MCH, AST and MNK should be really fun. I hope they nail them in 6.0
floral aurora
Its better now but still want them to push it further
forest magnet
ain't nobody playing this job once Sage comes out
floral aurora
Agreed
teal geyser
ain't nobody playing this job once Sage comes out
I will
cinder badger
@forest magnet yeah instead of a pet it's just a cool down effect that you don't have to micromanage
teal geyser
forest magnet
and it's clear the devs ran out of ideas, they used the lb3 for the 80 ability
inner kite
They are late on schedule perpetually
forest magnet
and the animations for SCH are deadass the worst out of any job
teal geyser
I feel like the only one who doesn't think Sage is super cool except it's AF gear which admittedly is fucking baller
gaunt star
But on sage you can’t just afk and let the fairy heal everyone throughout the whole dungeon
floral aurora
Be funny if Sage is right behind SCH in the Job Action trialer
viscid monolith
Why would that be funny
cinder badger
@gaunt star well to be honest you can't do that on scholar anymore either
wet crown
Eh. It's alright so far from that trailer
forest magnet
Fairy gauge is useless
I rarely see ppl, even savage/ultimate raiders, use fairy tether
floral aurora
Sage just looks too awesome
forest magnet
and using seraph locks you out of using fairy tether
cinder badger
That meme died a long time ago
wet crown
It needs that swirly storm fire attack Alphinaud used in the cinematic
inner kite
WHM is classic
viscid monolith
Well let's ask a real scholar how useful the tether is
forest magnet
and what does SCH have? a discount version of their LB3
cinder badger
It's bad when anything looks cooler than scholar
viscid monolith
I forgot who plays scholar in here
forest magnet
crickets
cinder badger
I know it's impossible to set it up like this because of the difference in gameplay but I did like Final Fantasy XI scholar
viscid monolith
Was it Soone
wet crown
Have to to level SMN faster during an expansion release
cinder badger
It was kind of sage-ish
kind lark
Sch is the last healer I have to level to 80. I'm looking foward to it :)
wet crown
just level SMN instead
viscid monolith
@swift kraken how often do you use the tether
forest magnet
swap around WHM and AST
cinder badger
@floral aurora
kind lark
just level SMN instead
Dps queues are the main reason I don't want to do that route
swift kraken
fey?
floral aurora
Love the card aspect
swift kraken
pretty often
cinder badger
Sage will be at the top for the first week and a half then it'll probably get bump down below White Mage
viscid monolith
Shut up Xuan the tether is good
forest magnet
:c
wet crown
Excuse me. Have you all forgotten?
The start of an expansion means AST will be hot garbage until X.3
forest magnet
@swift kraken overall do you like how scholar plays, when compared to other healers
kind lark
It's 71 so I'm just going bash bozja
floral aurora
I'm giving SE one more chance with AST lol
cinder badger
@wet crown and yet somehow it will still be more popular than scholar
floral aurora
They fixed MCH
viscid monolith
As for Seraph
floral aurora
So there's hope
wet crown
AST doesn't feel like it's in a wheelchair
forest magnet
SCH will always be popular because it's leveling proxy for Summoner
viscid monolith
People wanted Seraph
floral aurora
AST doesn't feel like it's in a wheelchair
For me its the fun aspect
viscid monolith
They just need to do more
ruby hull
after getting a Reaper shirt and a Children of Bodom shirt, how are people still speculating Rune Fencer and Templar? xD
cinder badger
@forest magnet that doesn't make it popular that just makes it an exploit
forest magnet
<@238495622712393729> that doesn't make it popular that just makes it an exploit
SCH is also popular because Noct sect is ass
cinder badger
Which is why I have a feeling that someday in the future I'm not saying anytime soon Yoshida might just completely get rid of both jobs because they are both a mess
swift kraken
<@!125790469245370368> overall do you like how scholar plays, when compared to o...
i main it so fun but its clear they kinda have no idea rn lol
severe brook
after getting a Reaper shirt and a Children of Bodom shirt, how are people still...
because the Julien Temple connection at least, is still there
swift kraken
weird balance decisions
cinder badger
I honestly think he regrets ever releasing Arcanist
viscid monolith
Arcanist is a none issue
severe brook
my guess right now is they either introduce Reaper as a new Job to the series
or they have it be called Templar but it'll basically be a Grim Reaper Job
i feel much less certain about it being Templar after the second shirt though
floral aurora
I know Reaper could be my favorite melee but I'm not giving up hope for Monk
inner kite
How would lore have to roll out to introduce templar tho
severe brook
but this very expansion shows they're still willing to significantly reinvent existing Jobs for this game
inner kite
Reaper seems more likely
floral aurora
Monk vs Reaper
severe brook
How would lore have to roll out to introduce templar tho
honestly my prediction for the Job's lore could be similar if they go Reaper or Templar
forest magnet
I don't really see how much more they can change the jobs up now that pretty much every job has been homogenized and has its gameplay working well
severe brook
have it be a secret order of warrior-assassins
forest magnet
besides SCH
severe brook
who use scythes and dark magic to lay the dead and undead to rest
cinder badger
@forest magnet yeah somehow I feel like giving grease lightning 7 stacks wouldn't help it any better lol
inner kite
If they branch dark knight lol
severe brook
then Zenos uses their fighting style just to kill everything, bastardizing it
like he did with Samurai
because that's what he does
cinder badger
@severe brook and then he abandoned Samurai
severe brook
well yes but he's learned multiple fighting styles
honestly he might even already know the Scythe method
and just never used it before
because he was in his weeb phase
cinder badger
Just steps on that sword like a pesant. "I need something awesome."
inner kite
A bazooka
heady shadow
so lemme bring this ide i had
floral aurora
DRKs at level 30
We are cool right...?
Level 40 DRKs: Cool now?
Level 50 DRKs: How about now?
Level 60 DRKs: Are we cool yet?
Level 70 DRKs: Finally!!!
I hope DRK gets more cool stuff lol
severe brook
"Level 70 DRKs"
so Reapers just starting out then
heady shadow
wet crown
Are you kidding? 50, 70 and 80 are the best DRK quests
heady shadow
there
floral aurora
I'm tempted to do potd for the new jobs so i can experience level 1 lol
wet crown
just queue for sastasha and experience p a i n
floral aurora
Nah they take too long lol
inner kite
Stone vigil but undergeared
ruby hull
then Zenos uses their fighting style just to kill everything, bastardizing it
My thoughts too. Perhaps Scythe users will play a wiser role overall, but Zenos will be using it for killing spree
same thing he did with SAM
severe brook
this will also keep it from just being Light is Good PLD vs Dark is Evil REP
as now player characters can be a Reaper as well, and have a personal connection to stopping Zenos through that
wet crown
Who in their fucking mind would act like that after ShB
severe brook
in addition to everything else
wet crown
ShB was all about saving the First from total annihilation from an overabundance and flood of light
severe brook
well that was the deconstruction
rare sinew
I thought they would continue the idea that Light and Dark are not inherently good or evil
severe brook
i think PLD being the poster body shows this is the reconstruction
swift kraken
besides SCH
scholars gameplay is pretty homogenised
severe brook
i mean arguably 5.0's final battle was also the reconstruction
rare sinew
Pls no touch SMN
severe brook
it was ultimately you as the Warrior of Light fighting a Dark Sorcerer and master of all shadows
swift kraken
i know that they know that the aetherflow system is kinda janky rn
severe brook
it's just that this time the Dark Sorcerer had a lot more context to his actions
rare sinew
Kill SCH, leave SMN untouched
severe brook
actual Nier plot twist
swift kraken
please leave scholar alive because i need a class to play!
rare sinew
SMN i legit dunoe how they can change it further
swift kraken
smn seems fine
rare sinew
If it's another fucking summon, imma reeee
wet crown
there a few ways to un-jank Egis
wet crown
by literally making them visual flair
inner kite
I don't believe they'll remove any job
swift kraken
yeah removing jobs is a meme
im worried about sch changes
im very sure they know whats wrong
but i sure fucking hope they just fix it properly
rare sinew
We summoned phoenix in 5.0. Now we summon... KING MOG
Which tanks your dps, but you get a free revive
swift kraken
like aetherflow heals are the problem because they feel bad also fairy heals are super jank as well as pets juzst being
bad
id honestly be happy if they just fixed fairy jank
swift kraken
i play it just fin
e its just
so much dumb shit
dissipation resetting fairy placement
fey union taking 10 gauge to even start and not heal
seraph doesnt allow fey blessing and union and doesnt generate gauge for whatever fuckin reason
just make fairy skills pressable minus seraph while you cast because thatd already be a huge qol and not a really huge buff considering most fairy skills are kinda super weak
rare sinew
They're getting rid of role quests right?
inner kite
If they remove job quests and leave only role quests, it will suck
swift kraken
they said theyll continue role quests
rare sinew
I mean, there arent REALLY job quests in 5.0
Just like a short quest to touch base with ya chums
inner kite
I was hoping it's similar situation like Hildy but guess not
rare sinew
Hildy 6.0 in msq pls
brisk quail
Don't you love how every so often the writers have to remind you FF2 exists by bashing your face in with hhuuurrr durrr wild rose. Hahah password wild rose HAHAHAHA
forest magnet
DRK is the only good job quest
floral aurora
Reaction video: Hes on the moon alone? There's no enemies on the moon, its just him
Lmao they haven't played FF4
forest magnet
the others range from "okay" to "wtf is this"
gaunt star
i quite like the paladin one
gaunt star
pog
brisk quail
Beast tribe on the moon
Rabbits
brisk quail
No
velvet fox
Not even beast tribe rabbits. Regular rabbits. They don't even talk, the WoL just randomly does quests for them because they're cute and on the moon.
brisk quail
The rabbits have arranged a rock on a plate.
The rabbits clearly want the WoL to do something with it.
quest accepted
floral aurora
ARR - WAR, HW - , SB - , ShB - DRK/GNB Yes I'm counting GNB :P), Endwalker - PLD
Full circle
empty moss
https://youtu.be/x5ZM-xqbBFY WOL when we reach the Moon
next oriole
https://youtu.be/x5ZM-xqbBFY WOL when we reach the Moon
we breathe under water cause magic, so....
shrewd grove
moon kojin give us a another blessing for the moon
floral aurora
That tank outfit better not be PLD exclusive
rare sinew
If you wear that as a DRK, Fray will kill you
odd yoke
cinder badger
Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait
Monk no longer Stacks up grease lightning it's just a passive??
odd yoke
Yes
kind lark
Yeah I think that was implemented in 5.4
random anvil
can't wait to see the "Now I'm Motivated" macros
floral aurora
Ohhhhhh yeah!!!
stable island
The moon became brighter? 
gaunt star
can't wait to see the "Now I'm Motivated" macros
when u use the self empowerment skill ull macro " MORE POWER! I NEED MORE POWER!"
inner kite
The moon became brighter? <:blobcatfluffowo:387347538245582858>
Everyone is saying that nowadays
inner kite
But is it really🤔
gaunt star
now kiss
stable island
But with 6.0 arriving, i actually think it got brighter. It was more dark a few weeks ago.
inner kite
I just hope it doesnt turn red
gaunt star
it will
kind lark
Watch as Zodiark breaks free
heady shadow
i think someone here was ablke to see the skybox
brisk quail
PRESS B QUICKLY
Press [Button] to try and stop the moon from breaking
brisk quail
Controller players:
spare warren
accurate
kind lark
A quick shout-out to Soken, keep it up!
unborn lantern
ruby hull
Pls no touch SMN
SMN needs to get proper summons one day
you know, ones that are not pocket sized
talking about the basic ones, not Baha and Phoenix
inner kite
talking about the basic ones, not Baha and Phoenix
Dude you'd be blamed for 99% mech deaths if ppl cant see shit bc there's giant garuda obstructing view
Other 1% would be drg jumping off and blm staying in leylines
onyx sundial
I turn baha to mini
cinder badger
I'm going to try to play Monk
half phoenix
SMN needs to get proper summons one day
Okay, you get 1 summon every 1 and half to two minutes, for 1 attack, what do you do inbetween?
bronze quartz
ruin
faint dagger
talking about the basic ones, not Baha and Phoenix
tbh i think smn is due a rework to its lb3
half phoenix
Then that’s not a summoner
faint dagger
given its kit changes i think it hits less impactfully than any of the others, class-fantasy wise
proposition: divine judgement
have alexander rise from the smoke on the floor behind you
as full scale as possible
boom
half phoenix
It’s fine. People just don’t understand/remember how summons work in basically every other final fantasy
faint dagger
literally
half phoenix
And don’t understand the full summon/time freeze attacks don’t work in mmos
faint dagger
I mean, with my total lack of context of any other FF game whatsoever, I think smn feels great
most cathartic job in the game
all i want is
more cool shit
and alexander because i like alexander and think that falls well under 'more cool shit'
and if the devs feel my wavelength then I'm happy forever
maiden lodge
New terrible lore prediction
Alphinaud switches the book for the Nuolith because after fighting the Spectral Necromancer he wants to be able to sketch any boss he encounters without interfering with his healing
half phoenix
We’ll most likely get Demi-Alexander in 6.0, either chaining off of Firebird Trance, or as an alternative for it
faint dagger
i wouldn't be surprised
i considered once that it'd be totally possible for them to integrate switch-out demi summons, as much as you'd switch out your main summon
half phoenix
My only wish for SMN though... LESS BUTTON BLOAT!
faint dagger
and simply have alexander as an opposite to bahamut
half phoenix
Why do we need 2 skills for summon ults????
faint dagger
cleave wyrmwave with his tank auto, and single target enkindle with his tankbuster
erm, you're aware enkindle bahamut and firebird take up the same button right?
they change based on what's appropriate
!action enkindle bahamut
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faint dagger
there you go
half phoenix
I’m forgetting what it’s called, but why doesn’t the skill for Ifrit, Titan, and Garuda’s ults turn into the ones for bahamut and firebird???
faint dagger
that would work. no real reason why not
except for potentially posing a technical difficulty with multiple actions replacing each other with different recast timers
that's the only devil's advocate i could play
and the small summon ultimate is simply called Enkindle, by the way
as opposed to Enkindle Bahamut/Phoenix
it changes its name to whatever specifically the egi is
inferno, aerial blast, whatever the fuck cause who cares
earthen fury, at a guess?
pulsar yacht
Egg assault 1 and 2
faint dagger
another thing i wouldn't mind is an egi in place of Titan, but that raises lore issues if we don't actively drop titan's aether
pulsar yacht
Changing that for extended summon (firebird) skills would make game explode please umderstand
vernal haven
doing anything makes the game explode
faint dagger
because i know titan has niche use but that's about all it has going for it
half phoenix
“Potential technical problem” looks at the pvp combo skills that excuse is invalid now, has been for awhile.
maiden lodge
“Potential technical problem” *looks at the pvp combo skills* that excuse is inv...
The existance of pvp combo skills doesn't make the concern they mentioned go away, because the concern they mentioned is not addressed in pvp combo skills.
Nastrond though, does, kinda
There's another technical reason though why they might not consolidate certain skills--lag. The more skills you have swapping based on states, the less protection from lag you have.
faint dagger
Nastrond is adequate, i racked my brain to think of an example but couldn't find one but that is
kind lark
Zenos x Fandaniel
woven escarp
I was -1 days old when I found out that you're supposed to say bozja like "boz-yia", but I don't know if that's just merlwyb's accent
kind lark
I was -1 days old when I found out that you're supposed to say bozja like "boz-y...
Is there other npcs that say Bozja?
woven escarp
I don't know if there are any voiceovers in the save the queen quest line
ember forum
Well I heard american ppl say it Bozhya ir something like that
onyx sundial
I cant remember
kind lark
I say it as Boz ja
ember forum
I say it luke that too
onyx sundial
But i think the last msq quest had someone say Boz ya
ember forum
Its similar to my language
inner kite
I was -1 days old when I found out that you're supposed to say bozja like "boz-y...
Bc they can't pronounce [ʒ]
onyx sundial
Was it Merwylb
woven escarp
I would have thought boz-jah
onyx sundial
But i remember something something talking abiut bozya and it rebelling
woven escarp
boz-yia is 🤔
onyx sundial
Boz ya is the correct one
woven escarp
there's an extra vowel in there that just appears out of nowhere
onyx sundial
It weird but it is what an NPC said
kind lark
Let's just say Boz
inner kite
We have dude named radovan but it's bozya lol
ember forum
Hmm how do u all pronounce Misija
inner kite
Misiya
ember forum
In my country, misija means mission
kind lark
It's pronounced as annoying
ember forum
Lol
inner kite
In my country, misija means mission
Same
onyx sundial
J in some languages
Is prounouced with an H sound or Y sound
Like Merwylb is actually pronounced as Merl Vib
ember forum
Hmm here we pronounce J as Y in Ya or yea
kind lark
I can visit Chaos soon.
gaunt star
safest thing to assume when you encounter a wild J is that it makes a Y sounds tbh
also I know most people say roe ga din but it's supposed to be roo ga deen
ember forum
I could never pronounce roegadyn and hrothgards
Ffxiv has some really weird names
Ff in general
gaunt star
People also hear NPCs say eether all the time then turn around and say ayther
Also tombstone and script but I just assume that's autocorrect's fault to keep my sanity
People who think the place is called Bozjan tho 
inner kite
I don't think devs care if we call it Boo Boo for that matter
faint dagger
People who think the place is called Bozjan tho <:wearycarby:588388854831120406>
i see this so often and it brings me pain
every time someone uses Bozjan as the name of the place, an innocent non-lewd catgirl dies
there's not enough of them
please protect them
lusty notch
bozjan bozjan bozjan bozjan bozjan bozjan
kind lark
every time someone uses Bozjan as the name of the place, an innocent non-lewd ca...
Are you saying I've killed hundreds of people?
woven escarp
I hope so
faint dagger
yes
woven escarp
catgirls are trash
gaunt star
he's right you know
faint dagger
i mean but hear me out
there's catgirls
and there's catgirls that actually wear clothes
please compromise with me that these do in fact exist
woven escarp
no
brisk quail
There's only one kinda good catgirl
gaunt star
a dead one
kind lark
I'm an au ra but you guys do your thing
gaunt star
highlander hyur or bust
kind lark
Playing any tall race now feels weird
brisk quail
Elezen have to pay extra for gear since it has yo accomodate for their giraffe necks
kind lark
Elezen need crutches because they must have bad legs
floral aurora
When is the media tour after the last fan fest event? Weeks? Months?
dim sigil
Boy z uh
gritty sail
Broke: New Melee DPS is a Scythe-user
Woke: New Melee DPS is a Steel Chair user
deft burrow
lame
inner kite
Elezen need crutches because they must have bad legs
At least they have legs unlike lala
dim sigil
kind lark
Wyrms + lalas = roast potatoes.
brisk quail
gaunt star
craggy gale
Yes please
topaz dune
teal geyser
every time someone uses Bozjan as the name of the place, an innocent non-lewd ca...
Can't kill what doesn't exist
heady shadow
true
cinder badger
I need a matching white outfit for Yayayo's usual mhachi look. Something for Moonwalker
The rains have ceased, and we have been graced with another beautiful day.
gaunt star
Can't kill what doesn't exist
😦
cinder badger
What about Khloe?
drowsy ivy
The worst of them all
cinder badger
I'm upset that my computer kit provide Reflections in the game without it lagging
But my PS4 can it makes me sad
drowsy ivy
Small console,company
cinder badger
I hate being broke lol
I'm just watching cutscenes right now
Dulia Chai crying over Alphinauds leaving
Just offering a friendly reminder that a smile better suits a hero
heady shadow
^
severe brook
The bad rumor come out:
Does Zenos yae Galvus is gay?
severe brook
If only he’d been picked up by the Azure Carnival early in life
He would’ve found a less horrific calling
cinder badger
Zenos is that one guy who spams friend request so he can 1v1 you in order to prove some point
And then when you refuse to play along and feed his ego he precedes to troll you in the community chats to try to get under your skin
heady shadow
he almost seems like someone who would try to get everyong to not like you
then get you coming to him
cinder badger
Fandango is just the kind of player that intentionally trolls because it gets his jollies off
woeful dagger
What about Khloe?
cinder badger
Seriously, when we first see Emet selch I thought he was going to be more of the mischievous type a bit over-the-top kind of like Ardyn from Final Fantasy 15. And in some ways he kind of was but oh my God Fandaniel it's not only over the top he's like a freaking Looney Tune character
Everything he does is animated
gaunt star
Guys I just realized
cinder badger
We're talking Nicolas Cage levels of hamminess
gaunt star
Ow every role class has a gun in the lineup
heady shadow
Emet is what you get when you mix Ardyn and Jack Sparrow
gaunt star
MCH, GNB, and now SAG
woeful dagger
Seriously, when we first see Emet selch I thought he was going to be more of the...
I don't think Ardyn is over-the-top. He's just more eccentric.
cinder badger
@woeful dagger yeah that's what I meant that's a better description
gaunt star
Why have sword when you can have modern technology? XD
cinder badger
Like Arden wasn't insane but he definitely had a bit of energy to him
heady shadow
funfact: ishikawa drew ispiration for emet from ardyn and jack sparrow
and i think someone else
but i forgot
cinder badger
But my first impression of Emet was "Who let Ardyn in FFXIV?"
But as far as Fandango goes I'm just waiting for him to taunt the warrior of Light by smacking his own ass
Like if he gets any more animated he might as well be dead pool
woven escarp
fandaniel wants to die
woven escarp
he's so far removed from reality he's just having a grand old time cheerleading death
cinder badger
They tried but they failed because that was literally the first thing I thought when I saw him@woven escarp
woven escarp
🤔 what?
cinder badger
Probably didn't help that I had just gotten done with a replay of Final Fantasy 15 before that patch came out
cinder badger
Yeah Emmett
woven escarp
I'm talking about fandaniel, emet just wanted to finish the rejoining and end the journey already
everyone is so tired of the endless fighting, except zenos and fandaniel because they just want to die
cinder badger
Sorry I meant to reply to whoever posted the info
woven escarp
or blow the world up in the process
cinder badger
Guess I must have missed click
heady shadow
uneven cape
Zenos just wants to admit his love to the WoL AKA his only desire is to fight the WOL
uneven cape
I'd say they did a pretty good job at that