Lyse travelled to kugane to tell us to go to a meeting
#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
gaunt star
teal geyser
Yes?
icy helm
Yup
teal geyser
Lyse travelled to kugane to tell us to go to a meeting
She was already there before so she could theoretically teleport
unique verge
The problem is that not every ship goes vroom. There's several NPC's who make the trip outside of MSQ as well.
rocky raptor
No. She had use of the aethernet at that point.
icy helm
Not everyone can teleport
teal geyser
Not everyone can teleport
Almost everyone can
gaunt star
they just cant travel as much as the WoL
unique verge
and all three of those are specifically stated to take the boat
gaunt star
because some people are doing trades n shit
inner kite
For normal ppl
teal geyser
why does this game need boats then
Because almost everyone can't excessively teleport and you can't teleport somewhere you haven't attuned too and also teleporting cargo is....yikes
kind lark
For the ships it requires the right to ride it
icy helm
I bet you i carry more in my inventory than that one random ship in kugane can ferry
gaunt star
probably not al
rough kestrel
At some point after 6.0 they'll probably be like "It's been 3 years since you showed up"
kind lark
People too poor for it
teal geyser
I bet you i carry more in my inventory than that one random ship in kugane can f...
Your inventory is bullshit
icy helm
tell that to my 35k Coffee Bisquits
rough kestrel
The most I can buy is each EXP spanning 3-6 months
teal geyser
But yeah when you look at the Othard trips...Y'shtola would have needed a boat, we needed a boat...and that's it so that's 4 months
1/3 of a year is not close to a year
Anything else theoretically can be teleported
I think, I don't think I'm forgetting anything
unique verge
if you consider all of the job quests to be canon you have to add a minimum of 2 months more
Actually four
calm hearth
I wonder how much time has passed since ARR and ShB
rough kestrel
Apparently there was an NPC in Idyllshire who at some point had a baby
unique verge
because Jacke and Oboro make the trip to AND from by boat
teal geyser
I wonder how much time has passed since ARR and ShB
Less than a year
unique verge
Leveva and Martin make the trip too - but you can assume they were on the same boat as Jacke and Oboro
gaunt star
Less than a year
see thats why RP and headcanons suck 
teal geyser
because Jacke and Oboro make the trip to AND from by boat
Eh job quests sit in a weird place I kinda just want to consider them as going to the far east at the same time as MSQ or whatever other wise with how many people take the trip in job quests we'd be 1000 years into the future
calm hearth
I wonder how much time passes if WoL multiclass
inner kite
Time is BS in this game, I hope they wont end it with "oh wol you finally woke up after 5 yr coma"
It was all a dream
kind lark
When they add more story to Azem it'll even more awkward for RP
gaunt star
im a fast learner learning new classes in 2-3 days ez life
teal geyser
Time is BS in this game, I hope they wont end it with "oh wol you finally woke ...
FFXIV: The Phantom Pain
rough kestrel
Apparently a Doman NPC said at some point it had been a year since the liberation of Doma
calm hearth
Hey you, you're finally awake, you were caught trying to cross the Garlean Border right?
unique verge
Eh job quests sit in a weird place I kinda just want to consider them as going t...
I only specifically mention the NIN quests because the quests implicitly must happen after your trip occurred due to how its written.
gaunt star
When they add more story to Azem it'll even more awkward for RP
imagine the players who RP'd as Garleans now that its ASHES 
teal geyser
Apparently a Doman NPC said at some point it had been a year since the liberatio...
Time to copy paste my normal response to that comment
gaunt star
if its been 1 year or less doesnt matter cause its not long 
unique verge
imagine the players who RP'd as Garleans now that its ASHES <:haha:2408412452394...
Imagine having to walk everywhere.
kind lark
imagine the players who RP'd as Garleans now that its ASHES <:haha:2408412452394...
They can RP as the cleaners
gaunt star
i saw a chick saying
kind lark
someone gotta do it
icy helm
Thats the true reason for the /sweep emote
gaunt star
'once we go to garlemald ill look for my parents'
and im like 'stop it they never existed'
unique verge
'There's some of them over there, and hey i see some of them over there too'
lulz
Garlemald basically getting nuked into oblivion
calm hearth
sipping choccy milk while everything burns
teal geyser
Apparently a Doman NPC said at some point it had been a year since the liberatio...
true that is something that was said, specifically about Kaien dying IIRC but also he died BEFORE the events of 2.0 due to the journey length mentioned later. Then you also have any potential time between the crushed rebellion and Yugiri getting everything organised and the refugee exodus taking place, then factor in the 2 month trip, probably a bit longer since they had shitty boats and would have needed rest. I think given that there is room for it to actually have been a year without moving the timeline too much, also factor in that character could have easily been rounding up.
errant coral
Zenos chilling while garlemald gets destroyed
apathy is death.
teal geyser
Also there is several dialogue lines later on that summarily prove it's NOT been 1 year since ARR
unique verge
Time bubble has a weird effect on the story in another way too
teal geyser
Estinien and Nanamo stuff?
unique verge
It kind of elevates the WoL's status in terms of our ability to get shit done, or it implies that the entirety of the planet is fucking incompetent.
unique verge
because we've basically solved the majority of the major societies issues on the planet in less than a year, yet these problems have existed for sometimes thousands of years.
placid sail
the time bubble works both ways
unique verge
Like....the fuck were these people doing up until we showed up
teal geyser
because we've basically solved the majority of the major societies issues on the...
I chalk that up more to our bullshit hero antics and less a problem on the years
icy helm
Thats why wol looks like he does now.
placid sail
these things probably took place over a much longer time period while at the same time, time didn't move
it's all just handwaived
calm hearth
WoL, how did you solve our problems so quickly?
Teleport
teal geyser
If you complain it took us so little time to fix these issues you should still say it's unreasonable when it took us 30 years to fix a 1000 year problem
unique verge
Its just bullshit power level type stuff.
It strains credibility when they have things pretend to actually be a threat to us
Like, Ranjit vs. Thancred was a scenario that i could take seriously. Ranjit vs. WoL was not.
lol
kind lark
where the Warrior of Light walks, fate shall surely follow
Even across universes fate still plays it part
teal geyser
Hey now
teal geyser
Like, Ranjit vs. Thancred was a scenario that i could take seriously. Ranjit vs...
Fighting the end of the world for your entire life does fucking wonders to harden you out
icy helm
I slowly start to realize why the fuck it was so important for the world that we survive. Shit would go literally up in flames without us 
teal geyser
I can accept WoL Vs Ranjit, what I CAN'T accept is Ranjit Vs us and 6 others like he did at the start
placid sail
also keep in mind that Elidibus has been manipulating warriors of light from the shadows for millennia
in our case though it didn't work
icy helm
In estinien we trust
IF we can find him.
unique verge
I'd comment on Lyon as well, but as proven by Godbert, old as fuck highlanders become freakishly powerful.
teal geyser
I bet he uses salamander oil too
calm hearth
The Manderville Family
placid sail
because Lahabrea gave us a deep seated distrust of the paragons
inner kite
Ranjit is only plausible if wol got nerfed while passing rift, which they didnt
kind lark
I hope we get more Lyon
unique verge
inb4 Lyon turns out to be related to the Mandervilles
errant coral
also keep in mind that Elidibus has been manipulating warriors of light from the...
I like how he knew how heroism worked and try to use against us.
calm hearth
Goldsmith LB when?
teal geyser
Ranjit is only plausible if wol got nerfed while passing rift, which they didnt
Dude has LITERALLY spent his entire fucking life fighting the end of the world. Idk why people make him out like he'd be a complete noodle, literally no one we know would have fought as much shit as he has, stuff that can quote literally kill you if you get touched sometimes
faint dagger
i mean, didn't Lyon very consciously inform us where the bozja garlean friendship gang were before Delubrum
I forget what he said before giving very obvious side-eye to where we were hiding
unique verge
Yes, he did
kind lark
Yeah, he side eyes us
unique verge
But given how that played out, that was likely an intentional trap
Its a win-win for him either way it goes down
faint dagger
i'd be interested to see how it goes on, Lyon always seemed to make his own decisions so with Misilja (sp, idc) and Save the Queen captured it'd be interesting to see him consider which the winning side might be
kind lark
Out of the bozja story I found Misjia boring, more lyon
unique verge
Based on his lore note entry, he aint switching sides.
faint dagger
although given Mikoto's premonition, if Save the Queen stays captured then i'll be surprised
teal geyser
Oh we captured StQ?
final isle
I'd say he definitely got us to go after her, to buy time for reinforcement to get there
unique verge
You havent done the new shit yet?
teal geyser
I haven't done anything past Cid memories frankly
faint dagger
yes, StQ was captured alongside Misilja and Mikoto opted to take it back with her for study after the Blades offered to hold on to it
somber storm
well we know how that will turn out
odd yoke
And that's going to go SO WELL
inner kite
Dude has LITERALLY spent his entire fucking life fighting the end of the world. ...
It's kinda wishy washy, not only ranjit but the rest of the lore didnt follow strenght level of the mobs. Considering they're 1/14 shard
faint dagger
followed by Mikoto immediately having a premonition of herself falling unconscious from the Enterprise upon touching the blade
somber storm
good old future visions
teal geyser
It's kinda wishy washy, not only ranjit but the rest of the lore didnt follow st...
Nothing says 1/14th people are weaker
The game says they'd be less dense in soul
But that's it really
unique verge
Realistically the only people that should be gaining any power from rejoinings are like....Ascians and probably the WoL too.
faint dagger
and Misilja is now just in prison somewhere with us not actually knowing if she's become a... revenant? what was the word?
fuckin echo sharingan eyes idk
teal geyser
Realistically the only people that should be gaining any power from rejoinings a...
No?
unique verge
and the WoL is a big stretch
inner kite
Actually i think ascians are saying that the whole time
teal geyser
I don't think anyone would get stronger with rejoinings until a point where it just clicks
odd yoke
Pretty sure thats just them looking down at us
unique verge
fuckin echo sharingan eyes idk
Resonant
faint dagger
Resonant, ta
odd yoke
"bitch you aint whole get out noob"
unique verge
Misija is 100% a Resonant now
somber storm
Sha-resonence
faint dagger
Misilja potentially having become a full Resonant also puts her on a similar character line to Fordola, and since they're both 'in prison somewhere' if they don't end up interacting in some way I'll be surprised
unique verge
Eh, i doubt it
teal geyser
I'd be surprised if they interact
unique verge
They're very different characters despite the similarities people try to draw
final isle
the story for Bozjan will probably tie all/most loose ends before the end
teal geyser
I don't think ANYONE would let her go near Garlemald and across the entire world
rough kestrel
Yeah Delubrum is us capturing STQ
unique verge
Misija has no remorse whatsoever for what she's done.
faint dagger
i know, i'm just not discounting a 'wow i'm really like you except you realised the error of your ways' arc because sometimes shit writes itself
somber storm
Unlock Fordola, Misijia doesn't definitely have have the vibes for atonement
final isle
likely she'll escape, then redeem herself by suiciding to destroy something, and that'll be the end of that story
unique verge
Fordola has remorse of a peculiar flavor
faint dagger
i mean fordola gave no fucks until she ended up having an echo vision of us
somber storm
Fordola has Krile's echo abilities
final isle
that or she escapes, and when she gets to crazy guy, he just kills her to extract her super echo or whatever, whichever
regardless pretty sure she'll be dead
unique verge
i mean fordola gave no fucks until she ended up having an echo vision of us
I dont agree with that
teal geyser
i mean fordola gave no fucks until she ended up having an echo vision of us
No fucks about?
faint dagger
am i misremembering?
inner kite
No you're not
faint dagger
i thought i recall her being absolutely unrepentant until she saw what we'd been through
unique verge
i thought i recall her being absolutely unrepentant until she saw what we'd been...
She was suicidal
faint dagger
Okay, I am misremembering then
inner kite
She lost her purpose
somber storm
She was also all "my life bad, you don't know how bad I lived"
unique verge
Her unrepentant act was to try and goad her captor into executing her
teal geyser
She purposely didn't kill herself in her cell because she wanted to be executed in front of everyone yeah, Arenvald calls her out in this and she tells him to shut the fuck up
unique verge
The worst part is
inner kite
I don't think she was repentant before that either
faint dagger
yeah, i don't remember that so moot point from me
unique verge
it was a "noble suicide" she was going for
She basically thought that if she were executed in front of everyone it would at least serve the people of Ala Mhigo
faint dagger
side comment, whatever the fuck happened to Arenvald
somber storm
~~side comment, whatever the fuck happened to Arenvald~~
Primal slaying
somber storm
Also clapping Fordola's ass
faint dagger
understandable
unique verge
Arenvald and Fordola are doing what we would normally be doing in "calmer times"
teal geyser
Damn right Law
somber storm
Basically they took our jobs
unique verge
But we've got world-ending events going on so they're picking up the slack
faint dagger
i imagine they have the space to pull a glorious Estinien in Endwalker
teal geyser
Basically they took our jobs
Damn Ala Mhigans taking our jobs
random ravine
Which primals are Fordola and Arenvald slaying, exactly
teal geyser
Any that arise Snack
random ravine
and wouldn't Arenveald get tempered
teal geyser
In the short story it's Ifrit
faint dagger
Arenvald has echo
teal geyser
and wouldn't Arenveald get tempered
He got echo
somber storm
And all the Mor Dhorna adventurers taking our work
faint dagger
he can't
unique verge
ffs snack
somber storm
Safe to assume Ifrit, Lakshmi
faint dagger
arenvald is essentially just us without protagonist energy
teal geyser
arenvald is essentially just us without protagonist energy
He got the tragic protagonist backstory down to perfection though
faint dagger
true
inner kite
Our echo is stronger
unique verge
It seems almost certain both of them will show up in 6.0 though
or at minimum they'll be offscreen dismantling towers
since they have the capability to do so
teal geyser
Well
Maybe
They can resist the tempering at least
I'm not even sure what you need to destroy those towers
unique verge
Well sure we have no idea what they really are yet.
teal geyser
Like those things look tough as fuck
unique verge
But presumably at some point we win the war with Zenos
inner kite
And that tempered dude at the end of cutscene
gaunt star
Is any role better than others or more fun to do new content with?
unique verge
and someone is gonna have to shut those things down that isnt us because we have more important shit going on
gaunt star
Content I mean expansion
unique verge
So they seem the logical choice to write that in
cinder badger
He will never die
faint dagger
like don't get me wrong, I am not advocating a redemption arc
unique verge
I cant imagine a scenario where 6.0 ends with him alive.
cinder badger
He is our friend forever
somber storm
Zenos becomes our talking weapon
gaunt star
I dont even understand why they brought him back
faint dagger
and i don't want it to end with another 'he merges with the x' because i thought that was lazy first time and fuck if it happens a second
gaunt star
Like bring him back okay but keep him alive for another expansion
cinder badger
@gaunt star because he is our friend
tiny wind
hes in love with the WoL
somber storm
he is our ohana
cinder badger
Everybody keeps wondering why they would bring him back
inner kite
*Nhaama
cinder badger
Which is why I keep saying maybe he's possibly Hythlodaeus
Or a sundered version of him
inner kite
I think temulun is hyth
autumn heron
Since this is the ending of the 10 year long story arc
Im assuming we will have the cavalcade of all the characters being big dick heroes
Including characters such as
Fordola
kind lark
Eh I hope they don't go too crazy with Fordola
faint dagger
my only issue with Zenos being Hythlodaeus is that likely implies we'll be expected to like him
and that smells like redemption arc
rough kestrel
I already like Zenos
cinder badger
Apparently hythlo was a bit of a douche
rough kestrel
I think he's great
autumn heron
Shes effectively mostly reformed and this is a Japanese story
teal geyser
like don't get me wrong, I am *not* advocating a redemption arc
He'll stay in the lifestream and make geostigma
autumn heron
So forgiveness is probably gonna be a big part
flint iron
Zenos is technically emet descendant right ?
cinder badger
Also Hythlo humored Azems questionable choices
teal geyser
Zenos is technically emet descendant right ?
Yes
wet crown
Kind of, yes.
autumn heron
He has the Ascian jucie
gaunt star
I myself still dont understand the whole convocation and the Ascians and who tf is Azem
red talon
Emet would propably have noticed if Zenos had Hyths soul
rough kestrel
Emet I think made him into a soul Chimera, which he unknowingly added Resonant on top of
cinder badger
He helped him summon ifrita
kind lark
I myself still dont understand the whole convocation and the Ascians and who tf ...
Azem = you
cinder badger
For the grapes
flint iron
Your best friend become your descendant is just kek
teal geyser
Emet would propably have noticed if Zenos had Hyths soul
Unless he refused to recognise it like he did us
faint dagger
the WoL is sundered Azem
gaunt star
Would someone explain how Azem is WoL?
rough kestrel
You shouldnt have skipped Cutscenes
autumn heron
I myself still dont understand the whole convocation and the Ascians and who tf ...
The convocation we're effectively the leaders of the Ascian society. Azem was the fourteenth member
gaunt star
I didnt
teal geyser
Would someone explain how Azem is WoL?
Azem was ancient, sundering happened, we are reincarnated soul
inner kite
if we follow ffiv lore, zenos will turn up to be azem's sibling
flint iron
Wol is 8/14 azem
teal geyser
Wol is 8/14 azem
9/14
cinder badger
The WoL is the sundered Azem on the source, 8 times rejoined
thin crypt
rough kestrel
9/14
gaunt star
Is there any wiki page or something I can read about this convocation
kind lark
You and Aldbert are a piece of Azem
autumn heron
I didnt
Did you forget that sundered ascians are fragments of the original full ascian
faint dagger
i think the fact Azem's not-a-soul-crystal reacted to us enough to bestow the power of a convocation member vs Elidibus was enough confirmation of that
gaunt star
How many pieces are there
teal geyser
Is there any wiki page or something I can read about this convocation
wiki
Pfft
kind lark
Wiki shmicky
hasty viper
cant wait till alphinaud gets sacrificed to zenos
autumn heron
I mean this is all shit directly explained ingame
teal geyser
Yeah I'm curious how you didn't get this Dan
gaunt star
My brain was too lazy to understand
autumn heron
cant wait till alphinaud gets sacrificed to zenos
Hes one of the most popular characters and YoshiP views him as the real protag
So no his plot armor is too thicc
So is Alisaies
cinder badger
@hasty viper this is the final fantasy 4 reference the twins are going to turn into stone
kind lark
Hes one of the most popular characters and YoshiP views him as the real protag
wait what he views him as the real protag?
faint dagger
just let them petrify themselves to save the WoL and stay there the whole expac
autumn heron
Yes
inner kite
It'd be cool if all scions are presumed dead at the end
rough kestrel
The real protag who's never been in a trailer until now.
cinder badger
@faint dagger Alisaie is precious
autumn heron
In HW
red talon
<@795221277995565077> this is the final fantasy 4 reference the twins are going ...
Yo, Angelo Alphinaud
unique verge
So, a thought enters my mind.
kind lark
Yo, ~~Angelo~~ Alphinaud
Oi WoL I tuned the twins into stone ain't that wacky?
inner kite
What are we saving eli's soul for?
gaunt star
Zodiark and Hydalyn will posses both Alphinaud and Alisae and they will fight each other
rough kestrel
It broke down into dust
cinder badger
@inner kite to restore the void
unique verge
What do we suppose the new "WoL outfit" is gonna be. You know there's gonna be one.
teal geyser
Zodiark and Hydalyn will posses both Alphinaud and Alisae and they will fight ea...
Edgy Alisaie
autumn heron
I mean
gaunt star
I’m waiting for my astronaut outfit
rough kestrel
Oh right, 5.5 should get us a new Tataru Scion glam
autumn heron
The story is inspired by FF4
rough kestrel
I wonder
tiny wind
I’m waiting for my astronaut outfit
lmao imagine
autumn heron
Doesnt mean its literally going to be FF4 again
Just like how ShB was inspired by FF3
somber storm
New Scion glam gonna be all belts
autumn heron
It wasnt JUST FF3
inner kite
They're mixing 4 and 8 this time
teal geyser
Why 8?
inner kite
Lunar cry
teal geyser
Okay to be fair
gaunt star
There hasn’t been a lunar cry
rough kestrel
To be fair Yoshi in an interview talking about PLD made no mention to Cecil, and implied they didnt know what to make WoL into until they were like "Idk Light?"
teal geyser
Lunar Cry was a thing in IV in all but name
cinder badger
@autumn heron whoa I didn't know Final Fantasy III had sin eaters
gaunt star
The moon crashing down to earth with freaky shit happening with a god inside was ffiv the after years
autumn heron
<@198608183017734146> whoa I didn't know Final Fantasy III had sin eaters
The plot of FF3 is a primordial light eating the world
gaunt star
Literally what
teal geyser
The moon crashing down to earth with freaky shit happening with a god inside was...
Even then og IV had Zeromus on the moon causing bad shit with monsters right?
unique verge
In other thoughts.
rough kestrel
So some of these references are more coincidence than direct
teal geyser
The plot of FF3 is a primordial light eating the world
That's not the plot but that did happen in that world
unique verge
How funny is it that they announce that belts are going away yet they put two fucking belts on PLD AF gear.
cinder badger
@teal geyser wasn't Darkness eating the world in Final Fantasy 3
autumn heron
And FF3 had the Warrior of Darkness be not inherently bad people
gaunt star
Even then og IV had Zeromus on the moon causing bad shit with monsters right?
While he was conscious Zemus built the tower/giant of babil but not sure if he messed up the moon itself
teal geyser
<@207811544925339648> wasn't Darkness eating the world in Final Fantasy 3
Yes but there was a thing about back in the day there were Warriors of darkness fighting against light and it's this alternating conflict
autumn heron
Too much dark is bad
gaunt star
How funny is it that they announce that belts are going away yet they put two fu...
its even more hilarious the trailer starts zoomed in on the belts
autumn heron
Too much light is also bad
cinder badger
Yeah but that's basically what Final Fantasy XIV does isn't it? Hydaelyn and Zodiark balancing each other out
Plus we had the Crystal Tower in A Realm Reborn
With the final boss being The Cloud of Darkness
inner kite
I wonder how did hydaelyn imagine balancing everything without zodiark
lusty obsidian
What do you guys think the new melee dps is gonna be?
autumn heron
She wouldnt
humble rain
We are going to remove our belts and spank Zenos butt with them
autumn heron
The worlds would all be burnt
teal geyser
I wonder how did hydaelyn imagine balancing everything without zodiark
She did a pretty fucking good job so far
unique verge
Too much light is also bad
Immersion ruined. Game unplayable.
autumn heron
Belts removed
cinder badger
@teal geyser I don't think primals have the world's best interests at heart
kind lark
I don't see anything
tiny wind
Immersion ruined. Game unplayable.
im uninstalling
rough kestrel
Sure is alot of stars on the PLD gear
inner kite
She did a pretty fucking good job so far
He's still there, it's not like he's dead, just split to shards
lusty obsidian
namura gonna be fuckin pissed
teal geyser
<@207811544925339648> I don't think primals have the world's best interests at h...
I think you're generalising and you honestly would need to provide actual proof before I stop thinking "no they can"
cinder badger
Look we are the warrior of light and we are going to do what we do best
humble rain
Maybe Zenos figured out that belts do more damage than his sword
autumn heron
Belts removed
Anti-Nomura technology
cinder badger
Oh and eat grapes
gaunt star
Anima is not a primal
red talon
Primals do what they were summoned to do
cinder badger
@red talon and I will do what I am summoned to do which is kill the primals
teal geyser
He's still there, it's not like he's dead, just split to shards
Well then I'd add that she never planned to kill him so idk why you are on about how she imagined she'd balance everything without him because that was never part of the plan
autumn heron
Primals just in some cases is a monkeys paw
rough kestrel
A big zipper will appear in the sky, and a giant Gakt will step through to destroy Hydaelyn on Nomura's behalf.
unique verge
Hydaelyn would probably just self-dissipate if Zodiark was killed.
unique verge
given Zodiark literally is the only purpose to Hydaelyn existing
woven remnant
What if Hydaelin and Zodiark are bound to each other and is basically anima?
inner kite
Well then I'd add that she never planned to kill him so idk why you are on about...
Yeah she did, she said darkness must be destroyed in ARR
rough kestrel
Alexander existing was going to inevitably drain the world's aether though
That was the issue
cinder badger
@unique verge watch her 180 on us and say "you upset the balance" or some shit and then tries to sunder even further
kind lark
He would turn the world into the burn
rough kestrel
Alexander is fucking nuts as far as primal goes
autumn heron
XIV, especially after ShB has set up thay Hydelyen is hiding things from you
rough kestrel
I still think about his capabilities
autumn heron
Shes isnt as malevolent as she seems
red talon
He didnt do anything wrong
There's a theory I read about that: Alexander could have used his time manipulation to prevent himself from being summoned in the first place, but he didn't. He let himself be summoned so that Cid could witness him and write the nescessary theories that lead to the creation of the Tycoon centuries later.
cinder badger
@rough kestrel he was just a machine I mean the Goblins are the ones who summoned him so of course he would be a machine
inner kite
Shes isnt as malevolent as she seems
She had good intentions but fucked up
unique verge
<@233381902868938752> watch her 180 on us and say "you upset the balance" or som...
Hydaelyn be like "Oh, you thought you were 9/14? Calculate this" and proceeds to cast Order
rough kestrel
HAHA I JUST
teal geyser
Yeah she did, she said darkness must be destroyed in ARR
Ascians bad yes
rough kestrel
PICTURED HYDAELYN DOING THAT EXACT DANCE ON ZODIARK's CORPSE AS SHE SUNDERS HE SHARDS
woven remnant
Hydaelin is gonna sunder us into a 8 man party 🤔
kind lark
get in the whale!
autumn heron
We must go for the SMT neutral ending
humble rain
She will come to FF14 to take revenge for every belt that is removed
autumn heron
Of kill them both
humble rain
autumn heron
rough kestrel
We'll probably find that we can escape the Sundering by going into Ascian void.
teal geyser
There's a theory I read about that: Alexander could have used his time manipulat...
The only problem with that theory is that it's directly stated that Alex couldn't see the future that laid ahead of us so he literally couldn't have planned around that
lusty obsidian
Hydaelyn default dances so hard that zodiark dies from excessive cringe damage
cinder badger
@unique verge wait 9/14.... Ooooh I forgot to add his original Source fragment so 8 times rejoined would actually mean is 9/14 of the way there right
unique verge
<@233381902868938752> wait 9/14.... Ooooh I forgot to add his original Source fr...
No. 9/14 is because we ate Ardbert
teal geyser
Yep Yayo
cedar wadi
Yeah that “you always had the echo, you just needed a reminder of the final days” was a pretty strong case against Hydaelyn
teal geyser
No. 9/14 is because we ate Ardbert
Which is a rejoining in its own way
cinder badger
@unique verge Ardbert would have been number 8
unique verge
Yeah just clarifying that its not from a "rejoining" like the others so to speak
cedar wadi
There have been 7 rejoinings tho
rough kestrel
Ardbert was like
humble rain
I bet that Zodiark is not even a bad guy
unique verge
G'raha and WoL are 9/14, everyone else on the source is 8/14
cedar wadi
Zodiark just wants to keep the world together
autumn heron
Im 100% sure Zodiark isnt at all the bad guy
teal geyser
Yeah that “you always had the echo, you just needed a reminder of the final days...
That's not a case against Hydaelyn. Just because the echo is part of us doesn't mean...she's bad because of that
cedar wadi
Even if everyone has to die
woven remnant
aren't we still 8/14? Since 13th didnt get rejoined because Void world
autumn heron
They both just fucked up
cinder badger
Emet said WoL was 7 times rejoined before Ardberd joined us
unique verge
His soul wasnt rejoined
No?
teal geyser
aren't we still 8/14? Since 13th didnt get rejoined because Void world
7 rejoinings + us + Ardbert, you don't need the void to get to 9
woven remnant
Future G'raha is in deed sleep, dreaming or connected to present time line G'raha crackpot theory
unique verge
They're literally called soul vessels. Not "memory vessels".
cedar wadi
That's not a case against Hydaelyn. Just because the echo is part of us doesn't ...
She’s not bad but she’s uncool for gaslighting us into believing it’s part of her blessing
teal geyser
I don't recall her even saying it was part of her blessing
Everyone just assumed it was
Like Minfilia
rough kestrel
I do wonder though, Elidibus commented that Graha in SHB was surprisingly dense.
teal geyser
I do wonder though, Elidibus commented that Graha in SHB was surprisingly dense.
8th calamity yo
kind lark
Soooo there is 4-5 Azem pieces out there? would be cool to meet one one day
woven remnant
7 rejoinings + us + Ardbert, you don't need the void to get to 9
Wait wasn't it 6 completed rejoinings + us and ardbert since 13th failed?
cedar wadi
And Hydaelyn never corrected Minfilia
teal geyser
Soooo there is 4-5 Azem pieces out there? would be cool to meet one one day
Could be chilling in the lifestream though
rough kestrel
So Graha would be 10 if the vessel really did carry his Soul to The First
I thought it was just memory though
cinder badger
@rough kestrel but that's what I said I forgot to add the one that was your original fragment
teal geyser
Wait wasn't it 6 completed rejoinings + us and ardbert since 13th failed?
13th wasn't tied to a calamity
woven remnant
13th wasn't tied to a calamity
oh i see i see
cedar wadi
13 wasn’t a rejoining
unique verge
Its possible that we might find out that Cylva is also Azem shard in the future.
cedar wadi
It was a blunder
hearty yoke
13th was the ascians buggering it up, iirc
cedar wadi
Yeah they effed up for 13th
rough kestrel
Ascians failed the mechanic check with 13th and wiped it
teal geyser
And Hydaelyn never corrected Minfilia
....I'm sorry I didn't realise that was an important thing to say that MUST be said when you don't have lots of time to discuss things and clearly takes precedence over explaining the actual multiworld
rough kestrel
Everybody on The Source by default is 8/14 yes?
unique verge
Cylva works as an option for how to rejoin us further if it becomes plot-required later, basically. Unukalhai was an option for this as well - but its been all but stated that he's not due to the way the 5.4 void quests are written.
teal geyser
Yes Virtus
rough kestrel
So Graha would be 10 now right?
teal geyser
9
cinder badger
Look Emet said "Seven times rejoined" then we joined with Ardbert, so that makes us 8 times rejoined. You don't count our original state
unique verge
G'raha is 9, but its weird.
rough kestrel
But you're rejoining 9 + 9?
unique verge
G'raha in theory can exceed 14
humble rain
Ok here is my theory. Zodiark saved the world from destruction but in the process he got weaker so he needed more sacrifices to be sustained. Then he gets corrupted by the Sound that caused the destruction of the star and when they summon Haedelyn she is forced to lock him away in the moon in order to stop the spread of this infection but in the process she splits the star into 13 shards. Releasing Zodiark means also bringing back the Sound which then will be the next chapter that we go into 6.1
cedar wadi
I thought Graha only got his future memories
teal geyser
But you're rejoining 9 + 9?
9+8
rough kestrel
Right
hearty yoke
Since we can only go to 13 anyway, since I think we're not really gonna be able to claim ourself from voidworld
rough kestrel
So is he bullshitting us then when he's like "OH I'M TIRED GUYS"
teal geyser
No
rough kestrel
He should be fucking magic fuel for days
unique verge
Since we can only go to 13 anyway, since I think we're not really gonna be able ...
There's a survivor of the void though. So its not impossible.
hearty yoke
Mm, true, but I'd still say highly improbable
unique verge
Cylva was one of the WoL's of the 13th. She could be our shard.
teal geyser
He should be fucking magic fuel for days
That's under the assumption that it works by 9+8 which isn't at all a thing that is stated and everything simply points to otherwise
teal geyser
Cylva was one of the WoL's of the 13th. She could be our shard.
I want to marry her
cinder badger
@unique verge Unukalhai is also a 13th survivor
rough kestrel
THat soul density has to go somewhere
hearty yoke
Man I forget Cylva, tbf
pastel coyote
he's not our shard
rough kestrel
You're duplicating a soul
unique verge
<@233381902868938752> Unukalhai is also a 13th survivor
Yes but the 5.4 void quests very strongly suggest that Unukhalhai is a shard of Taynor
rough kestrel
And cramming them both into the body
pastel coyote
We reduce the number of candidate for Unu shard to 2 right now
teal geyser
THat soul density has to go somewhere
I wouldn't think took hard about it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
unique verge
The kid from the Magic DPS role quests
inner kite
Soul density=strenght
pastel coyote
nope
cinder badger
Oh yeah that kid
teal geyser
Soul density=strenght
Nice assumption there
cinder badger
Black Mages friend
teal geyser
Nothing really says that though
rough kestrel
The 8th calamity was The First rejoining with The Source right? The entire point of SHB
inner kite
Only emet selch
rough kestrel
So I wonder who Graha's shard on The First was
teal geyser
The 8th calamity was The First rejoining with The Source right? The entire point...
Yes
rough kestrel
And if we ever met them
pastel coyote
As far we know being 1/14 or 13/14 is the same, however being 14/14 could make a change
cinder badger
Technically we've been to the void so that means we have been to the 13th right?
hearty yoke
Well, it was about preventing the calamity
teal geyser
And if we ever met them
Just because a shard exists doesn't mean it must automatically be alive
Could be in the lifestream
unique verge
So I wonder who Graha's shard on The First was
That's the entire thing that makes G'raha weird. He is, by all rights, rejoined with that shard already - but it also still exists.
autumn heron
Its why Graha was so flagrent in having WoL and Elidibus controlling Zenos NOT FIGHT at the time
humble rain
Question. Is Fandaniel the last Ascian remaining? Where are the other sunderes ones?
autumn heron
Win or Lose
teal geyser
There are others
teal geyser
We don't know what they are doing though
autumn heron
Black rose will fuck everything up amd cause the 8th calamity
hearty yoke
Showing each other their rock collection
rough kestrel
Some might go "y'know what WoL I'll help you" some may just fuck off to other shards
cinder badger
@unique verge but the G'raha we met on the First was G'raha from the source in the future
rough kestrel
Who knows
pastel coyote
Well if we use the word as they are intended, we don't know of any ascian left
teal geyser
Gaius has some red masks and it's unclear he killed killed them but even if he did kill kill them I remember doing the math and there should be like, 2 other red masks at least other than Fandaniel still alive
errant coral
watching events unfold.
humble rain
It seems underwhelming for this to be the ending of the Ascian story when there are more out there outside of Fandaniel. Are we going to let them roam free?
inner kite
He doesnt have the means to kill them
rough kestrel
Which begs the question, how did he track them
cinder badger
Also G'raha Tia isn't a name that'd be used on the first...
teal geyser
Which begs the question, how did he track them
Ascians come to you
rough kestrel
To Gaius though?
unique verge
<@233381902868938752> but the G'raha we met on the First was G'raha from the sou...
The G'raha we met on the First was from the Apocalypse Timeline from the Source. That G'raha got the rejoining of that timeline. Then he time travelled into Current Timeline - where the First was never rejoined. Then his soul was carried back across the rift and merged with his original body, which should mean that he is 9/14 but that the First shard is technically still out there even though he already has it.
inner kite
Where there's trouble, there's ascians
teal geyser
Sure why not Virtus
cinder badger
@unique verge but then who was his first counterpart was he already dead?
rough kestrel
We'll never know
cinder badger
It could have been a whole different race for all we know
unique verge
<@233381902868938752> but then who was his first counterpart was he already dead...
We have no idea. Could be that his First counterpart is pending reincarnation from the lifestream.
teal geyser
<@233381902868938752> but then who was his first counterpart was he already dead...
Impossible to answer
rough kestrel
Would be fucked up if we find out later Graha time traveling automatically kills the shard he has on him
rough kestrel
To balance things out
teal geyser
or it could be the fucking tomestone vendor
It's Vauthery /s
inner kite
G'raha's lore is fucked up
unique verge
That'd be some shit
cinder badger
What if its the Viis girl he took care of?
rough kestrel
You know it's possible Vauthry was Zenos's counter part.
cinder badger
Valthry is Alhpinauds
unique verge
What if its the Viis girl he took care of?
That creates a level of fucked up scenario i'd rather not get into
teal geyser
You know it's possible Vauthry was Zenos's counter part.
They look the same
rough kestrel
I'd love to find out Gaius is a shard of somebody cool
humble rain
Time traveling stories always have a ton of plot holes or they stretch logic too much to fit the narrative
teal geyser
That creates a level of fucked up scenario i'd rather not get into
Daddy G'raha and daddy Graha
That hurt to write
inner kite
Time traveling stories always have a ton of plot holes or they stretch logic too...
Yeah there is not much point in trying to find logical reason
rough kestrel
Nero's shard on the first was Lady Chai, her husband is Cid's Shard 
cinder badger
@teal geyser but Alphinaud did say he saw a bit of himself in Valthry
teal geyser
and?
unique verge
Nero's shard on the first was Lady Chai, her husband is Cid's Shard <:geese:7318...
I cant imagine Nero ever being that stupid.
hearty yoke
I cant imagine Nero ever being that stupid.
I mean, this is Nero we're talking about
teal geyser
Do you know how often people can see something of one person in another?
unique verge
Like no offense, people like Chai and all, but she's as dumb as a rock
kind lark
Normal cid> pirate cid
teal geyser
Like no offense, people like Chai and all, but she's as dumb as a rock
She's a great accountant how dare you
unique verge
inb4 Chai is Lyse shard
cinder badger
Valthry might be Alphinauds counterpart, and what Alphinaud could have become if he continued being who he was in 2.0
teal geyser
She's literally super budget balancer
rough kestrel
The only thing we can honestly say about shards is they share some personality traits
But not everything
inner kite
Vauthry is parenting gone bad
cinder badger
@unique verge she smarter than you think
rough kestrel
Ardbert is a weird case because he and CG WoL are really so fucking similar.
teal geyser
The only thing we can honestly say about shards is they share some personality t...
I mean I wouldn't even say that Virtus, aside from WoL and Derp the rest are literally just "haha look at funny joke"
unique verge
if Unu and Taynor turn out to be, they're pretty similar
that would be hte only other real example
cinder badger
I mean she pointed out that her husband used to run the stoneworks and clued you in on how to motivate him when he lacks confidence
rough kestrel
Imagine if fucking Thancred and Ranjit were shards of eachother
cinder badger
So really if it wasn't for her you might have not been able to solve the problems so easily
But I think people gravitate towards her cuz she just got that Mom vibe
That doting mom vibe
teal geyser
I'm sorry are we all sleeping on Dulia's actual job?
rough kestrel
Eating?
teal geyser
....
inner kite
Imagine if fucking Thancred and Ranjit were shards of eachother
Wouldnt they flash light if they touched, since thancred was in similar state to ardbert (only visible)
rough kestrel
Oh valid
humble rain
Question. Wouldn't the logical thing to be that only the first people after the sundering are related to the Ascians directly and have shards of themselves living parallel to them? How come their predecessors have shards if they are just the kids of those who got sundered?
ember forum
Is there a glow on 3rd step too? Cause I've seen 2 types of law rapiers one had slight glow and the other one was extrenly glowy
teal geyser
Question. Wouldn't the logical thing to be that only the first people after the ...
You're asking how people born after sundering can still be connected to Ancients?
inner kite
Yoshi-p said everyone has a shard of ancient in them
No matter beastman or regular person
teal geyser
Yoshi-p said everyone has a shard of ancient in them
I mean that's not an explanation
rough kestrel
Yeah most existing souls are shards of ancients if I recall
teal geyser
But we can get there
humble rain
@teal geyser that and the fact that supposedly for every human there are 13 other sundered versions of them
inner kite
I mean that's not an explanation
Never said i was explaining it
teal geyser
<@207811544925339648> that and the fact that supposedly for every human there ar...
Mario this is easy, the souls get reincarnated and all the ancient souls in the lifestream also got sundered in the sundering so people are still being born with souls of ancients that were just in the lifestream
cinder badger
Just putting it out there that we might not have seen everybody's counterpart because maybe they were people who live in other parts of the world before it was swallowed in the light
So they might be long dead
rough kestrel
I mean thats assumed
teal geyser
The 13 other versions part is super easy too because that's just "sundering splitting everything into 14"
cinder badger
It would be the mother of all coincidences if every single major and minor characters counterparts were on Norvrandt
rough kestrel
Venat and Hythlodaeus are really the two big mysteries to me.
humble rain
Mario this is easy, the souls get reincarnated and all the ancient souls in the ...
So it's just a recycling of souls
teal geyser
Yes that is how the lifestream has worked since ARR
worn forge
Minfilia explains this in post-ARR
unique verge
They literally gave us a powerpoint in-game of how this functions
cinder badger
@rough kestrel maybe Louisoix was Hythlodaeus
rough kestrel
I really expect there to be a reveal about who the Scions are shards of, because it's one of the first things I wondered about upon learning about Azem
worn forge
what if, hear me out
teal geyser
Stop making everyone important ancients
worn forge
the scions were normal
teal geyser
The Scions are scions
worn forge
teal geyser
Leave them as such
inner kite
Diplomatic ancient one lol alphi
unique verge
The only named character for there to be a shard of that would be relevant is Hythlo
rough kestrel
There was a theory about Y'shtola being Hythlodaeus's shard as she seems to pop up after he leaves scenes with you.
worn forge
not everyone needs to be a literal mary sue
humble rain
It's really sad when Elidibus is probably never going to get recycled cause he is trapped in the crystal tower
unique verge
Everyone else is largely irrelevant
and there's no reason for them to introduce new ancients to the lore at this time
rough kestrel
And Emet did pick her out of the stream in particular for you
teal geyser
There was a theory about Y'shtola being Hythlodaeus's shard as she seems to pop ...
That theory is stupid. It's literally just "they existed near each other and they use the same laugh animation"
random ravine
It's really sad when Elidibus is probably never going to get recycled cause he i...
elidiibus the new crystal exarch?
teal geyser
And Emet did pick her out of the stream in particular for you
That's a non point
unique verge
so we might find out who Hythlo is. but thats it. thats as far as its gonna go.
inner kite
It's probs someone who was born with soulsight
worn forge
Emet could have done that to anyone
rough kestrel
I mean there are far dumber theories.
inner kite
Yes everything is speculation
rough kestrel
I don't have an opinion either way
teal geyser
I mean there are far dumber theories.
Yes but it's certainly down there nonetheless
wind orbit
i dont think its too far-fetched
cinder badger
I still think it's a possibility it could be louisoix
wind orbit
but its fun to think about
inner kite
There's no need to shame anyone about their theory
worn forge
congruent triangles are fun to think about
teal geyser
Like I put this above Zenos is Yda theory but below anything else
wind orbit
cinder badger
rough kestrel
Laha returning like a literal Phoenix
humble rain
Also the M looks very similar to Zodiark from FF12
rough kestrel
It would make alot more sense to 1.x players
Than anyone current
As you dont get those scenes with Louie
But I've seen the 1.x stuff with him, I could buy it
cinder badger
Yeah but I believe Yoshida confirm that 1.0 is canon to the rest of the game
worn forge
true but the devs aren’t gonna call back a 1.x reference all the way in 6.x
rough kestrel
In broadstrokes it is
humble rain
worn forge
thats asking the viewer for far too much
gaunt star
Oh lmao
rough kestrel
Time to brek it
gaunt star
I saw hythlo and thought of the tweet
rough kestrel
The other one I think was people saying Graha might be Hythlo
cinder badger
@gaunt star I'm the one who brought up that theory but it was just a guess I'm trying to think of characters that give off the same sort of vibe as Hythlo
humble rain
Anyone else kinda disappointed with Zodiark's design? He looks pretty generic demon man. They should made him more weird
cinder badger
Because I still think they have a part to play in the final chapter of this arc
rough kestrel
Imagine if it was fucking Haurchefante
cinder badger
Oh my God
inner kite
Haurche gives me the biggest Hythlo vibe
rough kestrel
And that shard always has a long H name
gaunt star
He’ll probably have an additional transformation
Remember that the warring triad statues especially Sofia’s don’t 100% resemble them either
onyx sundial
Hildibrand is Hythlo
cinder badger
It would make absolutely no sense if not for the fact they kept referencing Haurchefant throughout ShB
inner kite
But still think it's probs gonna be Temelun since she can see our soul, with non artificial echo
cinder badger
@inner kite who is that again
wind orbit
inner kite
Grandma from azim steppe, and they always give her some new dialogue
wind orbit
I'm looking forward to meeting the elephant bois
autumn heron
Anyone else kinda disappointed with Zodiark's design? He looks pretty generic de...
Hydeleyen is just Cosmos, Zodiark os just Chaos
They use the same design every time
wind orbit
Wonder if they will have any special dialogue for Au'ra
cinder badger
Really so what she had like maybe 1, 2 good scenes with you in stormblood? I'm not sure it holds up
kind lark
I'm looking forward to meeting the elephant bois
As an au ra they better have special dialog
cinder badger
Hey remember that Xaela from the one part in SB... they're actually tied to a major character
onyx sundial
Its au ra
wind orbit
Au'''''ra
coral kite
1.0 callbacks are cool and all but the zero context for it for most people is gonna be lul
onyx sundial
woven remnant
Sadu Dotharl recurring character? 🙏
inner kite
Really so what she had like maybe 1, 2 good scenes with you in stormblood? I'm n...
They always give her new dialogue
After shb too
humble rain
Hydeleyen is just Cosmos, Zodiark os just Chaos
Worst design ever
wind orbit
woven remnant
booba
errant coral
whos dat
onyx sundial
Lady why do you have a laundry basket as a dress?
inner kite
Modern fashion
autumn heron
Thats Cosmos 2 from Dissidia NT
humble rain
Materia ala Cosmos from Dissidia NT
autumn heron
No one likes her
wind orbit
Ah NT
errant coral
the fight game?
autumn heron
People like old cosmos
wind orbit
I didn't really like what they did with NT so I didn't play it much
autumn heron
inner kite
She's a little bitch
open verge
Worst design ever
Do this nomura back
autumn heron
Just emulate the old psp dissidia games
cinder badger
But kefka is good
wind orbit
Old dissidia was so nice
open verge
Is it?
inner kite
Not enough belts
humble rain
It's designed by Nomura
cinder badger
Kefka is the best villain in the history of villains
onyx sundial
Is it?
humble rain
wind orbit
Looks nicer in nomura's art but still pretty funny lookin
humble rain
That dress is not practical
inner kite
And those things behind her look like sage weapons
zenith turret
i wouldnt mind those appearing as sage weps
wind orbit
The little crown is cute
rough kestrel
It looks like a bucket
onyx sundial
If i could cosplay as a laundry basket
rough kestrel
Stop being gullible
open verge
Why do people hate materia
onyx sundial
I would look like that
open verge
That dress is not practical
Who cares
humble rain
Why do people hate materia
Cause her dress is bad
autumn heron
Tbf most armor in fantasy isnt practical
inner kite
And her personality
autumn heron
Like boob armor
random ravine
Worst design ever
where is this from
rough kestrel
Her design I guess would only satisfy pathetic gacha degens.
cinder badger
Cosmos has Nouliths?
wind orbit
Oh, wonder if they will scale down materia as well with the stat squish
autumn heron
Boob armor irl is a massive detrament
wind orbit
humble rain
where is this from
Dissida NT
onyx sundial
Probablt leo
random ravine
Dissida NT
what character?
autumn heron
Practical character designs are non-existant in fantasy in general
humble rain
what character?
Materia
cinder badger
I thought Nouliths were original
unique verge
Oh, wonder if they will scale down materia as well with the stat squish
Even if they dont, the stat budget of items will scale down, so you'd be limited in how much you could insert anyway
open verge
Nouliths are original to ff
But every wacky weapon design has been done somewhere
Like a violin sniper
cinder badger
Sorry the things on Cosmos back looks very similar
random ravine
Nouliths are original to ff
honestly i thought they were gonna add a fan as a weapon
wind orbit
Nouliths are pretty cool
humble rain
I thought Nouliths were original
Yoshi P stole both the nouliths and the belts from Nomura. Nomura is pissed 
random ravine
like the siren class from tactics ogre
open verge
Nouliths are cool but I’m not sure if they will look good in other weapons
wind orbit
Hopefully sage feels fun to play
open verge
I feel like sage could get bad weapon designs
cinder badger
Define fun
open verge
I also don’t know how a relic glow would look on sage
onyx sundial
No u liths
inner kite
They have to add them to lower level trials too
wind orbit
Satisfying gameplay loop
random ravine
Nouliths are original to ff
everyone forgets about AST's primary weapon
it's also unique to FF
wind orbit
Also gotta look cool
open verge
Astro weapons are terrible
cinder badger
I didn't forget about it it's just boring
open verge
Red mages weapon is also unique
onyx sundial
Glowy titania weapons anyone?
humble rain
Nous(intellect) liths(stones) in Greek
onyx sundial
open verge
Titania weapons are already ugly
cinder badger
So they're intelligent stones
humble rain
So they're intelligent stones
Yeah
onyx sundial
Ruby is all shit
wind orbit
Titania DRK is pretty
open verge
Maybe it’s because my main jobs always have terrible weapons
wind orbit
The DRK weaps from trials this expac look nice tbh
cinder badger
Healers are all about mind they should have called them mind stones
wind orbit
Cuz casters are dumb
open verge
Casters r too fucking stupid
real swift
Just wait till 6.0+ when we get the glowy versions of the ex-trial weapons
open verge
And lame
cinder badger
This from the monk Main
cinder badger
It really isn't
cinder badger
Depends on the week I have several Max jobs
open verge
half crane
i read the new cac job is the evolution of dragon knight 😦 and maybe the next weapon is a "faux" 😦
open verge
What’s your favorite job
cinder badger
Probably Paladin because you feel like an actual main character when you main tank
cinder badger
Instead of being a wuss and hitting people from behind
real swift
PLD is master tank class
kind lark
BTN is clearly the chad's choice
humble rain
BTN has a scythe
inner kite
True op FSH
real swift
nah we all know GSM is the strongest class..
unique verge
i basically play WAR 90% of the time because its self healing makes it so easy to carry bad groups in alot of random content.
humble rain
Maybe Zenos will become a farmer
cinder badger
@unique verge I played Warrior Dark Knight and gun breaker to I just like Paladin more
unique verge
Not to mention WAR is fucking broken in anything Bozja
random ravine
@unique verge why not play paladin then
unique verge
<@233381902868938752> why not play paladin then
PLD self healing is dumb
random ravine
Why
real swift
PLD self healing allows it to solo a bunch of dungeon bosses.
unique verge
WAR self healing allows it to solo basically any dungeon boss, but at twice the speed
kind lark
essence of the bloodsucker on WAR is so entertaining
pulsar yacht
clem breaks combo and if buff with requi basically means have to restart rotation since good luck with lost mp
inner kite
WAR allows you to tank the floor
wind orbit
You never use clemency really
random ravine
How so, through nascent?
humble rain
BZM best class
unique verge
How so, through nascent?
Yes
wind orbit
In raid settings
cinder badger
You really don't use clemency it's more for those "oh shit" moments
unique verge
A WAR can full heal itself from 0 in 1-2 GCD's using NF
real swift
The only good time to clem in a raid, is if all your healers are dead and you need a little extra life, while you wait for the RDM/SMN to res the healers
real swift
It's the "oh shit" heal
cinder badger
@humble rain do you have any balls?
humble rain
<@277503405063405570> do you have any balls?
I have lots of balls
inner kite
Dragon ballz
strange summit
You should have said you're just selling limonade
cinder badger
I don't want Blitzball
real swift
Neither do I honestly
humble rain
I want Blitzball
cinder badger
Blitzball is stupid and boring it was bad in Final Fantasy 10 worst in Final Fantasy 10-2 and it's not going to be any good on 14
humble rain
If you don't like it don't try it. No one is forcing you
wind orbit
Blitz was fun, I enjoyed it
wind orbit
FF7 snowboarding pog
cinder badger
Put sphere break into the game I'll play that over Blitzball even though I think it's kind of stupid too
humble rain
I think we have enough card/board games already
cinder badger
Blasphemy
humble rain
We need something more fleshed out that involves more people and that's Blitzball
cinder badger
I shall send you to the shadow Realm
humble rain
Try that on my Exodia
cinder badger
Blitzball and fleshed-out don't belong in the same sentence
humble rain
Blitzball is fun
cinder badger
People who really desire Blitzball on Final Fantasy XIV truly don't remember just how shity it was on 10
inner kite
Animal crossing: Endwalker
real swift
the worst part is, with as awful as blitzball was, the XIV version of it would still be bad but the most fleshed out version
cinder badger
@real swift I know it's sad to think about
Final Fantasy 10-2 is version is more like they went backwards in development
real swift
I mean we're already getting stardew valley in XIV lol
humble rain
Just don't play it. I want Blitzball in
cinder badger
@humble rain you sound like the CEO of EA
real swift
now we just need a romancing mechanic with the NPCs and there ya go
humble rain
There still minigames that I don't enjoy but if others do then it's fine
inner kite
now we just need a romancing mechanic with the NPCs and there ya go
Ser aymeric dinner party
faint dagger
so is blitzball like... some sort of soccer/lacrosse?
humble rain
Yeah
cinder badger
@faint dagger yeah only completely underwater
faint dagger
thousand yard Lunaro stare
real swift
Underwater soccer
humble rain
But its turn based with stats
cinder badger
And was incredibly broken and half the time your shit didn't work
real swift
You know, where the lore for it would come from in XIV...the Sahagin
faint dagger
don't even need that
digital forge
Can't wait for it to be Shogi instead
cinder badger
@real swift they'll scribble in some bullshit reason
faint dagger
we can breathe underwater thanks to the kojin
humble rain
And was incredibly broken and half the time your shit didn't work
Just get Brother in your team and learn Jecht shot
cinder badger
@digital forge hey shogi now that's a game I could get behind
digital forge
I'm hopeful for Blitzball but I'm expecting Shogi
cinder badger
I'm hopeful for anything but Blitzball
digital forge
But what if...
Chocobo Racing update...
real swift
It'd be like real life soccer, it was a ritualistic game the sahagin used to play using the skulls of a sacrifice, or a fallen foe to appease some under sea god but eventually it evolved into a form of entertainment.
cinder badger
Brought to you by a beast tribe who makes war with us
humble rain
I'm hopeful for anything but Blitzball
inner kite
I heard somewhere ala mhigan golf but lol
real swift
Well the pirates that founded limsa were why they went to war with land dwellers but, they're all making amends
cinder badger
@inner kite even that would be preferable
real swift
thus the sahagin would introduce it to the land dwellers and there ya go.
inner kite
Anyways ppl in general dont spend much time in golden saucer
cinder badger
It's going to be mini golf
humble rain
Sahagin using balls
cinder badger
@inner kite I love going there just for the setting and ambience.
I think they should add slots
With big payouts
digital forge
Nah
faint dagger
doesn't gold saucer teeter very carefully on the esrb rating for gambling
digital forge
They haven't added that because gambling laws
faint dagger
surely that'd push it over
digital forge
Yeah, that's why we don't have poker
cinder badger
But we can have a lottery?
humble rain
cinder badger
Lottery is just another form of gambling
real swift
and that's why the mahjong mini game is bringing up legality questions
real swift
Doman Mahjong, and the cactapot stuff is the most gambly thing in all honesty.
cinder badger
Yes but one could argue that anything were you spend currency for a chance to gain a currency payout is some form of gambling so all the little machines there count
Just on a technical level
inner kite
Yeah gatcha for example
real swift
yep...i'm honestly surprised there haven't been any laws against places like chukie cheese, or other arcade venus where you pay money to try and win tickets
humble rain
Panchinko machines next patch
real swift
for a crappy little ball on a string or crappy 10 cent bracelet