retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[prime verge]

u got a problem w my wol then

uh oh

[teal geyser]

Yeah Gaius armed the rebels in Ala Mhigo for ages

so when they beat the king he could walk up after both sides were dead

[random ravine]

I mean if a guy is willing to drop a moon on a country he is invading....what concern does he have about one mere castrum exploding?

[wind bough]

It's not like they literally opened the doors for him.

[patent axle]

Listen, I can't just sit on a bench in Limsa without being surounded with catgirls

[prime verge]

be mad

[patent axle]

Listen to m, sloots, I just wanna chill

get away from me thots

[prime verge]

KNDKSFNAKSJDFNSADF

[wind bough]

They had virtually no means to oppose him after everything that had gone down with the Mad King, but there was still fighting and bloodshed.

[teal geyser]

It wasn't that Gaius wasn't concerned about the moon

he absolutely was

[patent axle]

jage

[teal geyser]

but he decided to support the emperor in doing it

because "muh emperor can't do wrong"

[prime verge]

dont tell me ur wol is a boring hyur

[ionic flicker]

Does anyone knows where it was said or hinted that the moon is Zodiark's prison?

[teal geyser]

I'll get it Kranel

one second

[wind bough]

It's explicitly said.

[patent axle]

my wol is a viera because i have what you'd call an ivalice bias

[prime verge]

valid

[patent axle]

i simp hard for ivalice games

So I'm a viera and I wanna be dressed as Agrias

[untold gull]

It was? Where?

[teal geyser]

There

[prime verge]

how does it feel to not be able to wear a hat

[teal geyser]

patch 3.2

[patent axle]

but for that I need to farm Ivalice

[teal geyser]

after antitower

[untold gull]

OOOOOOOH

[teal geyser]

not to mention like uhhh

Zodiark statue is on the moon

and whatnot

[kindred meteor]

Gaius is an accomplished general whom both enemy and ally alike cannot help but respect. He conquered Ala Mhigo during its period of unrest: when the people revolted against the King of Ruin, leaving the nation vulnerable, Gaius made his move and conquered the nation with minimal effort. Through subterfuge Gaius turned the populace of Ala Mhigo against their king and struck when the city defenses began to crumble at the prospect of civil war, allowing him to capture the city with minimal bloodshed.

[patent axle]

I don't really like hats, I can actually wear most of the headgears I like

[untold gull]

I was too dazed during 2.x to remember anything but urianger having that super extra moment in just taking his damn mask off

[teal geyser]

minimal

[ionic flicker]

Thanks! I've been looking for this ^__^

[teal geyser]

minimal is not "no gunshots" KaGo

[prime verge]

nice

[wind bough]

English version says She banished him to the heavens to become "a moon bound"

[prime verge]

idc what anyone says gaius is cool

[teal geyser]

Lyon I did it

[patent axle]

idk I just find him hot

[teal geyser]

dw

[wind bough]

for those who think that's not explicit enough, here's a translation of the French:

[prime verge]

hes pretty sexy

[patent axle]

He's an awful human being but I want him in my bed

Plus he's hella cold with the wol

which makes things even hotter

[untold gull]

[wind bough]

The Japanese is similar I recall, suggesting that there was no moon before Zodiark's banishment to the heavens.

[dim sigil]

Hes got a nice ruggedness look

[prime verge]

☹️

[patent axle]

you are legally not allowed to judge me

i have an order from judge gabranth

[dim sigil]

Basch said no

[teal geyser]

Sorry what's a judge

never heard of it

[patent axle]

I want Basch and Gabranth in my bed

[teal geyser]

I only know of legatus Gabranth

[ionic flicker]

This is from the dialogue of the word of the mother right?

[dim sigil]

A asshole who says no attack commands allowed

[teal geyser]

Yes

[heady shadow]

lol

[prime verge]

i wonder if hydaelyn has any bad effect on the world too. it seems a bit hypocritical and even not lore compliant to imply that hyadelyn having control of the world as it is is a good thing.

[ionic flicker]

Okay thanks a lot ^__^

[teal geyser]

Not really Emet

[patent axle]

I am very horny for people from ivalice who aren't named Penelo or Vaan

cause fuck em

Penelo and Vaan can die

[dim sigil]

Vaan is cool tho

[patent axle]

nah

[teal geyser]

The only part that could be considered "not lore compliant" is the fact that primals suck up aether naturally but it's ENTIRELY possible that as a being summoned by ancients with complete creation magicks is not bound by that need and can just not do that

[dim sigil]

He just loses relevance once Bosch comes into the plot

[untold gull]

It's free real estate. I can do what i want

[dim sigil]

before that vaan is great

[patent axle]

Because Vaan isn't the real MC and was a last minute addition

[dim sigil]

He had a good thing going

[prime verge]

so then how come zodiark needed so many sacrifices to sustain his being if this is true,

[maiden lodge]

however, both Zodiark and Hydaelyn are described as primals, explicitly.

[patent axle]

^

[teal geyser]

I never said they weren't primals

[patent axle]

technically the WoL is nothing more than another tempered

[teal geyser]

he needed them for doing his miracles not sustaining his existence

[wind bough]

Zodiark didn't need sacrifices to sustain him

yeah

[maiden lodge]

Well, Cal, I am firmly in the camp of 'therefore they must feed or something'

[prime verge]

exactly, primals are traditionally "bad." i wonder if theyre going to touch on this subject when it comes to hydaelyn and whether or not its somehow okay for her to control the stars but not zodiark, and what are the repercussions of her running shit rn

[maiden lodge]

Or, being locked away starves them

[wind bough]

he needed them for his creation, and he needed them to perform massive changes to the world.

[teal geyser]

maybe she does feed but that doesn't mean she feeds in a non-sustainable way/amount

[wind bough]

we're not told he needed an upkeep cost.

[maiden lodge]

Note that H and Z are described most recently as neither good nor evil

[prime verge]

ah youre right

[teal geyser]

He probably does but yeah it's probably minor enough to not actually mean anything

[maiden lodge]

cumulative upkeep or he gets sent to exile by hydaelyn's state-based effect

[prime verge]

its just that in the traditional xiv sense it is implied that primals will eventually have an adverse affect on the world in some way

this may not be true for hydaelyn or zodiark tho

[teal geyser]

yeah but these are primals that are way out of the league of anything else in the game Emet which are summoned by people that could actually summon

[random ravine]

was there any supreme being before hydaelyn/zodiark?

like the twelve?

[heady shadow]

we dont know

[teal geyser]

Not that we know of Snack

[prime verge]

yeah thats why i say that it may well be different for these two

[random ravine]

what about the twelve

[prime verge]

the twelve is an eorzean only thing

[severe brook]

when did cal turn green

[teal geyser]

the popular theory is that they are people who lived shortly after the sundering that just became known as deities over time

[teal geyser]

I left the server because I got so mad

[severe brook]

understandable happens to all of us

[random ravine]

over what?

[wind bough]

There's no evidence for the existence of the Twelve as real deities, but it's likely enough they're based on real historical figures

[severe brook]

snack i feel like reminding cal isn't a good idea

[teal geyser]

How the fuck did you reply so quick????????????????????????

what

[severe brook]

i type fast

[teal geyser]

literally the same second it showed up on my screen I already had a reply

[patent axle]

speed

[prime verge]

most likely, makes what gaius said about them being revered the same way primals are all the more possible

[teal geyser]

Everyone and everything

[patent axle]

jage

[severe brook]

still guessing Ramuh is Rhalgr is Venat's friend from that recording

i have no backing for this

[prime verge]

a

[wind bough]

Gaius is referring there to the fact that we literally summoned the Twelve as primals at Carteneau. But he is also missing information on what primals actually are.

[severe brook]

b

[patent axle]

I love ramuh, he's just chillin in his woods

[prime verge]

yeah. primals are literally just the summoning of something for a purpose, gods are revered only in name without summoning.

[teal geyser]

I like how he talks shit about us not summoning the twelve all the time because he knows we know that would be a primal and bad and then acts like thus any worship of a real thing is bad because one can create a fake

[wind bough]

Ramuh was literally planning to wipe out Gridania because humans can't be trusted

[patent axle]

Good thing, I never like Gridania

it can be erased

BUt first

put all the limsan catgirls in it

[prime verge]

even me

[patent axle]

every single one of them

[prime verge]

good thing i dont hang out too often in limsa

[random ravine]

all the au ra too

[teal geyser]

details details

[patent axle]

no limsa cat girl shall be spared

[patent axle]

but only raens

xaelas are cool

[severe brook]

lots of garleans in this chat

[woeful dagger]

Finally getting through Eden's story

[teal geyser]

seriously who in this discord doesn't want to wipe out Gridania?

[woeful dagger]

Pretty neat story so far.

[prime verge]

DFASDFASDFASDFASDFASDF

[severe brook]

i'm cool with gridania

[random ravine]

what's the difference

[patent axle]

And also Yuki and Yugiri can live

[prime verge]

wrong im an ascian

[random ravine]

rommy

[severe brook]

who made the garleans

[woeful dagger]

Do Garleans use the Elezen model, mostly?

Or the Hyur one

[dim sigil]

Grisaina is my fav city

[random ravine]

elzen

[prime verge]

me

[teal geyser]

I said in this discord

(God this joke hurt me to write too)

[patent axle]

Xaelas are chads, they decide who rules by fighting

[teal geyser]

Elezen

[severe brook]

you all forgot to cherish her

[patent axle]

I'm Doman

[woeful dagger]

That's what I thought. Garleans actually wouldn't be hard to add. They can just use the current Elezen rig. So what if they have the same rig, it would satisfy a lot of the community tbh.

[severe brook]

hi yotsuyu

[patent axle]

die

[severe brook]

[random ravine]

i thought rommy was back

[patent axle]

i'm calling a mod you insulted me

[prime verge]

hi asahi

[wind bough]

She is

[teal geyser]

Garleans have less sense to be added than male Viera and we don't even have male Viera

[severe brook]

she came back for 6.0

[teal geyser]

She just popped in

[severe brook]

and left again

[teal geyser]

she's not

[patent axle]

imma put you in a pit

[prime verge]

i dare u

[random ravine]

alright calfirmae you are the new rommy

[wind bough]

Oh yeah she's gone again

[random ravine]

it is a burden you will have to bear

alone

[woeful dagger]

well, presumably with 6.0 we will liberate Garlemald from Zenos, the civil war will be concluded with hopefully a more peaceful ruler in place, and we do have precedence through Noah for an avenue for Garleans to peacefully integrate into society.

[patent axle]

who the fuck is rommy

[teal geyser]

Until I get mad and leave too

You're lucky that you guys are the only people I talk to

Makes it real hard to stay gone

[woeful dagger]

love you too Cali

[teal geyser]

Eat shit

[woeful dagger]

yes mommy

[teal geyser]

rude

[wind bough]

I'm the only one who #archived-lore-spoilers hasn't broken yet

[patent axle]

for real tho

[wind bough]

I've just become more cynical and exasperated with everyone

[teal geyser]

That's the first signs

[woeful dagger]

#archived-lore-spoilers shouldn't even be a channel cause the lore is so massively incomplete most of #archived-lore-spoilers posters are just pure conjecture

[wind bough]

huh

[severe brook]

the lore's pretty complete honestly

[wind bough]

That's not even a little true

[random ravine]

then you should talk in #716926528507740241

[severe brook]

we just conjecture in here a lot because

[teal geyser]

You're the Frodo of the group, just getting corrupted slower @wind bough

[prime verge]

havent we just been talking about lore spoilers in here the whole time

[severe brook]

we don't want to just recount the story forever

[dim sigil]

I feel like people take things too seriously sometimes like yes you disagree about video game lore no need to go at each other's throats

[woeful dagger]

excuse you?

[severe brook]

lore-spoilers will never break me because there is no me to break

[prime verge]

i mean lore is generally very straightforward unless it is purposefully left to interpretation

[wind bough]

fight me

[prime verge]

its either there or its not

[severe brook]

be like water

[dim sigil]

It gets pretty stupid heated

[random ravine]

lore-spoilers has made it unceessary for me to play ShB

[lime estuary]

Need more Keeper lore. And Duskwight

[woeful dagger]

i was memeing you lol

[teal geyser]

I hate people who argue in bad faith and are just stupid and that's why I get serious

[wind bough]

No, you did that yourself snack

[prime verge]

why did u even go into that chat

[random ravine]

cuz i initially had some questions about the ARR stuff i skipped

and then i just kept reading

[prime verge]

a

im so sorry JHBDFHJASBDF

also how dare u story skipper

[random ravine]

it's not that i skipped the story

i zone out too easily in cutscenes

[prime verge]

ah okay

[random ravine]

well i did also skip some as well

[prime verge]

i did that sometimes in arr too

[random ravine]

cuz i got annoyed

[prime verge]

as long as u didnt skip the one and only lahee were good

[random ravine]

i would be like fuck u minifilia, i dont want see your mug SKIP

[prime verge]

NOOOOOOOOOO

[teal geyser]

mug is a weird thing to call her butt window

[patent axle]

Minfilia in ARR is so bad

[woeful dagger]

any time Urianger is in a cutscene I immediately skip

[prime verge]

i wonder how thancred will get traumatized in 6.0

[teal geyser]

WHAT THE FUCK

[patent axle]

But thats because they were like "yo she got screentime in 1.X fuck her"

[patent axle]

how

[woeful dagger]

i can't be fucked for him to take 15 text boxes to explain what could be done in 2

[prime verge]

this is the worst comment i have ever seen

[teal geyser]

tmb's arguments are all invalidated now

[random ravine]

yea i skip uriange and i always skip nanamo

[patent axle]

He's the second hottest elezen

[prime verge]

this is why you DONT skip

[teal geyser]

Okay well I always knew you were shit

but tmb

man

come on

[prime verge]

tmb has been invalid since they said emet was boring

[dim sigil]

Time to bring out the pitchforks and torches

[woeful dagger]

IS THOUST STILL LOOKETH FOR THiNE OWN TRUTHEST LAMENT OF THINE WILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN

[severe brook]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-bait-tom-hardy-max-rockatansky-mad-max-fury-road-gif-17442384

[dim sigil]

Canceled

[teal geyser]

Well he's definitely low energy

[prime verge]

😐

[strange wing]

Emet is overrated

[woeful dagger]

big ups

[teal geyser]

You could say he's no energy now

[prime verge]

overrated is overrated for a reason, i believe he is properly rated

[teal geyser]

Emet is overrated but still great

[prime verge]

the fact that no one noticed that emet voiced the 6.0 trailer speaks volumes

[severe brook]

you know what i like him and even i will agree he tends to be overrated some
like when people are apologists for him

[random ravine]

was it the nanamo comment, or the urianger comment taht triggered you?

[deft burrow]

Everyone did, no one pointed it out.

[random ravine]

just curious

[woeful dagger]

if Urianger just spoke like a normal person he'd be okay. Also the fact that he's a secret Ascian and it's taking way too long for that plot twist to come to fruition..

[teal geyser]

no one didn't notice you mean?

[prime verge]

um, my username

[wind bough]

the entire universe noticed buddy

[prime verge]

lol sorry

[teal geyser]

Urianger moreso but both are bad

[prime verge]

DKJFNKAJSDNFKJASDKFNASKJDFNKASJFNKJASDF

[deft burrow]

Everyone knew that it was Emet speaking wot

:vvvv

[severe brook]

twas the joke

[deft burrow]

yeye

i gotcha

so blitzball when?

[severe brook]

sunglasses war

[teal geyser]

wait idk what you're on about

Emet didn't narrate the trailer

The shoebill did

[severe brook]

[prime verge]

tbh i havent seen too many people mention emet narrating, i saw a few tho

[strange wing]

Still good yea, but people overhyping before I got to Shb kinda made me have big expectations

[teal geyser]

Literally
Everyone

[strange wing]

Then again that's true for all shb

[prime verge]

idk maybe im looking in the wrong places lol

[severe brook]

i mean i did think it was fandaniel narrating the second half of it

but yeah it's emet

[prime verge]

i saw one person start crying when they heard his voice and i was like... me

[strange wing]

HW>SB=ShB>>>>>ARR btw

[teal geyser]

see I feel a bit mean to just put "ARR" since it's so long

what i'd do is uh

ShB > HW > SB > 2.X >> 2.0

[prime verge]

it most certainly doesnt sound like fannypack at the end there, if its not emet it sounds like zenos

[prime verge]

everyday i remind myself emet is dead and my day is ruined

[woeful dagger]

I think the 2.0 story as a self-contained story is the best they've written. Learning about each beast tribe and dealing with them while also learning about yourself and who you are is much deeper and more rewarding than anything since then.

[teal geyser]

ayyy

[woeful dagger]

But the issue with 2.0 is now it doesn't fit in a story where we can traverse space-time and kill literal Gods

[prime verge]

😭

[teal geyser]

That's a hot take tmb

2.0 has a self contained story is bad

[prime verge]

arr is not great

[strange wing]

Emet is dead and Lahabrea is STILL ALIVE BOIS

[prime verge]

the end of arr is pretty fun but the middle part? oh god those painful fetch quests.. not the fetch quests...

[random ravine]

ARR is the reason why my friends abandoned me and stop playing ffxiv

[severe brook]

why is fandaniel not
use emet's pic for a different emote

[woeful dagger]

Fetch quests aren't part of the story.

[random ravine]

forcing me to socialize on this discord

[patent axle]

abandone

[strange wing]

Someone forgot the luncheon

[patent axle]

My sister didn't last a day in ARR

[teal geyser]

most of it is just nothing, and then the entire plot synopsis can just be done as "you go to the different areas, fight primals, go to Coerthas to find an airship after the waking sands get raided, find out Gaius' plan, rescue everyone, fight war and win" @woeful dagger

[teal geyser]

part of the narrative

[deft burrow]

You could skip ARR and just do the quests leading up to HW and pretty much understand everything

[prime verge]

im clinging onto lahabrea's raid, the only thing keeping my ascian loving heart alive

[teal geyser]

whether you like it or not

[patent axle]

You do miss a few good things by doing that thp

[prime verge]

also emet narrating reignited my brainrot

[woeful dagger]

That's true of every expansion lol

[deft burrow]

Yeah, some things

[woeful dagger]

You can do just the end of HW and you will know all you need about the Dragonsong War

[random ravine]

honestly if they just put a freakin aetheryte in waking sands, it probably would have solved 50% of the problem people had

[deft burrow]

No...?

[woeful dagger]

The Nidhogg arc in HW was complete filler

[deft burrow]

What???

[teal geyser]

well they basically did that now Snack

[prime verge]

what

[patent axle]

They kinda fixed it

[deft burrow]

What???

[teal geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[random ravine]

what do you mean

[prime verge]

tmb out here with the absolute worst takes

[deft burrow]

lol

[teal geyser]

you get aetheryte tickets that teleport you there now

[patent axle]

Now they give you an item to teleport there

[severe brook]

tmb i think this is what you get when you skip every cutscene with urianger

[patent axle]

Yeah tmb what's with the boiling takes ?

[strange wing]

Pray, return to the waking sands

[teal geyser]

Yeah I'm not even going to entertain this anymore. Doing so is what makes me so fucking mad to begin with

[severe brook]

sand, wake to the returning prays

[strange wing]

Urianger is probably my favorite scion

[woeful dagger]

What do you mean "what???" ? You learn about Ratatoskr and the reason for the Dragonsong War and its conclusion in the last 2 patches of HW. All the lead up doesn't add anything meaningful to the story other than small conflicts in the different zones.

[balmy mesa]

apparently he only talks like that because he's a massive nerd and prefers books to people. think it's somewhere in EE vol 1

[strange wing]

After the Twins i guess

[random ravine]

yes, but the problem with aetheryte tickets is u only get so many

[teal geyser]

it also makes him infinitely more sexy

[patent axle]

You get more than what you need

[deft burrow]

What are you talking about? The entire Iceheart thing with Hresvelgar and the realization of the betrayal happens in 3.0.

That's the main driving point of Heavensward

[prime verge]

tmb will you allow me to partake in analyzing thine most interesting thoughts that doth form in thy mind's eye

[balmy mesa]

I am so glad they gave him an outfit upgrade for ShB. that robe just wasn't flattering.,

[patent axle]

tmb is here to kill the chat lol

[deft burrow]

You learn about the eyes in the expansion as well

Not in the patch quests lol

[strange wing]

By that logic all of Shb was filler

[woeful dagger]

So just like how the entire Primal thing and the realization for why it happens takes place in 2.0? lol

[woeful dagger]

in both instances you still get the synopsis by doing the end of the expansion

[teal geyser]

Agreed

[prime verge]

i love urianger so much

one of my fav scions

[patent axle]

ShB Urianger is so hot

I want him in my bed

[random ravine]

i hate urianger

with a passion

[prime verge]

fuck u then

[teal geyser]

yep he's in my top 3

[patent axle]

blocked

[teal geyser]

fuck u then

[wind bough]

Urianger's my number 1

[balmy mesa]

now where's that copypasta...

[patent axle]

He's my second fave scion

[strange wing]

Imagine liking Thanred

[deft burrow]

The primal thing isn't even explained properly and is retconned in Shadowbringers so I meannnnn

[patent axle]

my fave scion is thancred

[patent axle]

blocked

[teal geyser]

unfortunately I have to keep stanning Alisaie so he's number 2

[woeful dagger]

You've argued yourself into a corner by saying that because Iceheart happens in 3.0 it somehow is necessary to do 3.0 in order to understand HW. That isn't true. You can easily learn HW by doing the last 2 patches. Same is true of ARR, same is true of SB and ShB. And same will be true of EW.

[wind bough]

What in blazes didst thou just say of me, thou insignificant recreant? I would fain have thee know I did graduate at the top of my class at the Studium, and I have been involved in the discovery and decryption of myriad repositories of prophecy, and have over three hundred published exegeses. I am learned in ufiti arcanima and I am the pre-eminent astromancer of the Eorzean academic community. Thou art naught to me, save for merely another striking dummy. I shall extirpate thine existence with exactitude the like of which has never before been witnessed upon this star, mark my swiving words. Dost thou imagine thou canst go unpunished, having uttered such slander over linkpearl? Reassess thy position, rantallion. Even as we converse, I am in communication with Scions of the Seventh Dawn throughout the realm, and thine aetheric signature is being traced presently; consequently, thou wouldst be well-advised to steel thyself for the tempest, dungworm. The Judgement Bolt that doth eliminate that piteous little thing thou callst thy life. Thine end is nigh, stripling. I can be in any place, at any hour, and I can extinguish thee in seven hundred and seventy-seven ways—and these with mine empty hands alone. As if 'twere not enough to boast ample mastery of pugilism, I have close at hand the full ordnance range of the Garlond Ironworks withal, and will employ it with full force that I might see the Three Great Continents cleansed of thy wretched rump-flesh, thou shiteling. Would that thou hadst known what an ungodly reckoning thy facile little remark would unleash upon thee, perhaps thou wouldst have kept thy swiving silence. But alas, thou couldst not, thou didst not, and now thou'rt serving thy penance, thou Twelve-cursed paissa. I will engulf thee in my fæcal rancor, and thou shalt have no means of walking above its surface. Thou'rt consigned to fucking history, Master Alphinaud.

[patent axle]

Alisaie is number three

[teal geyser]

YES

[strange wing]

After whining about Minfilia for 5+ yewrs and three expansions

[feral mantle]

Eh sort of but you miss quite a lot of more in depth stuff and a fair bit of characterization

[patent axle]

Thanks for the uriangerposting

[prime verge]

I AM ACTUALLY LOSING IT AT THIS AJHSDBFJHASDBFJHBASDJHFBASDF

[deft burrow]

Nope. Simply have a bad take here.

[balmy mesa]

haha, I was gonna mention the other one

[wind bough]

I'm proud of ufiti arcanima.

[balmy mesa]

Pray, elucidate unto me thine belligerancy once more, youth... Erstwhile, while thou hast frittered thine days away in indolence, mine own excellence hath soared higher than the peaks of Sohm Ahl, nay, to the very vaults of the heavens themselves! From the collegiate of Baldesion, to the deepest reaches of Garlemald, fifteen-score men have I lain low, with the grace and skill of chirurgeons of legend, and all the rancor of the Primals and their beastmen subjugate. Thou art yet but one more fetid soul to rend unto Oblivion. Verily, the wrath I have yet to bear upon thine personage will be found even within the tomestones of ancient Allag, so great will thine suffrance be of mine ire, that even time itself will disobey its casual flow and rescribe history forthwith; Hearken to me, cur. Thine words reach mine ears and they resolve into naught but coyness, replete of filth and ignorance. Thine puissant scribework, as grotesque as an unmasked Goblin. Pray, and speak true, dost thou truly believe thineself equal to mine own personage? Nay. Ere long, mine compatriots shall away and arrive anon to thine dwelling, fire and fury in their breasts, stell bared, and cantrip upon the ready. Thou'rt doomed, wastrel; even The Mothercrystal weeps for what shall befall thee. Nay, not even the Twelve themselves shall shelter thee from mine ardor, and even the Ascians will decry my cruelty whenceforth issued. Such will be mine wrath, that it shall bring about the true Eighth Umbral Calamity. Thy glibness hath only wrought ire and fury, and not even the Warrior of Light will be able to save you from mine. For I hath drawn forth the cards of eld, and thine fortunes spelt plain. Thou'rt fucked, churl.

this was the one I found, lmao

[heady shadow]

btw

[wind bough]

that's good

that's really good

I wrote the one above

tried to keep it as close as possible to the original though

[heady shadow]

cant you see the old Urianger in the waking sand still?

[feral mantle]

See I think that despite his perpetual screw ups my favorite Scion is still Alphinaud

[random ravine]

Urianger isn't as half as smart as he thinks he is

[wind bough]

only if you haven't completed all his quests.

[severe brook]

[heady shadow]

Oh

[woeful dagger]

But the original argument was you can learn "everything about the story" in ARR by doing the last couple patches. Characterization isn't part of the overall story within HW. Relating to Hauche and him dying isn't necessary to experience to understand the story of HW.

[severe brook]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-fish-this-is-bait-gif-11212449

[teal geyser]

back that up

[heady shadow]

oh boy

[severe brook]

you know what i'll be back in a little bit

[heady shadow]

thers the b*ait**

[strange wing]

Personally I likes the GTA5 Urianger speech more

[teal geyser]

ah yes classic

https://youtu.be/3v4p1Lg0Y9A

[heady shadow]

btw arr urianger was fine too btw.

both va's were

[prime verge]

urianger is easily the smartest yet most morally grey scion

[teal geyser]

I mean

even then he's a pretty damn light shade of grey

[feral mantle]

You also miss a lot of the initial description of the entire cause of the war beyond "Dragons hate Ishgard, Ishgard hate dragons" The sequences with Hraesvelgr where you learn the truth of it is all in 3.0 right?

[prime verge]

very light, thats why i said most out of the scions, the scions are not necessarily morally grey LOL

[deft burrow]

You have absolutely no idea what the Dragonsong War is if you skip HW and go to the patch quests.

[prime verge]

are we seriously arguing about heavensward lore and when it appears

[woeful dagger]

It's gone over multiple times in HW the reason the Dragonsong War started.

[prime verge]

do we not all agree that hw was paced well

[woeful dagger]

It isn't like just the one dungeon explains the reason for the War and they never talk about it again lol

[teal geyser]

the back end of 3.0 is iffy but generally it's good

[prime verge]

yeah

my only gripe with shadowbringers is elidibus

[teal geyser]

like the Hinterlands stuff is uh

[patent axle]

HW is only loved because ARR was so shitty that people could have taken anything

[teal geyser]

[patent axle]

Yes HW is very good

[random ravine]

the beginning quests with Fortemps shitty sons were kind meh

[patent axle]

But like

[teal geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[wind bough]

going back to Ul'dah is kinda :|

[strange wing]

I did not like the Warriors of Darkness arc

First time through

I thought Ardvert was a shit

[severe brook]

are we each going through our baity statements

[patent axle]

But when it's put next to ARR it's a masterpiece

[deft burrow]

They kind of shoved "Oh ur free to come back, ur not wanted anymore" into HW out of no where.

[prime verge]

elidibus has been a character since the beginning but is given such little time to flesh out his character within 3 patches

[teal geyser]

Yes HW is very good
"HW is very good yes but people can't like it because it's good, they must only be able to like it because ARR bad"

[prime verge]

they still do it well

[random ravine]

i just went through hell and saved all of Eorzea, why do i have to take order from a shitty Fortemps brat

[prime verge]

but i lament he was not given more character development before

[random ravine]

what doesn't know his head from his ass

[severe brook]

...i guess in hindsight, elidibus' storyline is a little slow going

[teal geyser]

they are the only ones stopping you from getting arrested

[heady shadow]

the only thing about HW i didnt like was the bullshit pulled for Nanamo.

[severe brook]

but his role in 5.3 is great

[woeful dagger]

HW would be higher on my tier list if it didn't do the really played out "lol religion is evil" trope.

[patent axle]

I'm just saying that the insanely high HW love is just here because next to ARR it was a masterpiece

[woeful dagger]

In the most obvious way

[feral mantle]

It doesn't have anything as hard pressed as the slog of snow IIRC.

[prime verge]

"the rains have ceased, but you are not here to see it" never fails to make me cry

[strange wing]

Yea, Nanamo should have stayed kill

[severe brook]

HW at least avoids having the religion's god turn out to be evil

[deft burrow]

Yeah

Its just a big lie

[patent axle]

Aight so after making a death wish by talking shit bout thancred now you're gonna talk shit about my precious baby boy

[severe brook]

but instead has it that the religion's current leader is taking advantage of it and social failings to gain personal power

[patent axle]

any dath wish ?

[wind bough]

Attacking and dethroning god is good though.

[teal geyser]

is this obvious?

[feral mantle]

It's much less "Religion is evil" and more "Thordan is evil and manipulating others"

[severe brook]

honestly at this point it's more surprising when religions turn out to be good in fantasy games

[prime verge]

yeah

[woeful dagger]

You can view it as that. But once you've seen one "religion is evil" anime/manga trope, you've seen them all.

[heady shadow]

what the fuck is that comic lmao

[deft burrow]

Its shifting the narrative to fit Thordan's agenda while lying to people about the truth through a religious entity.

[severe brook]

it's an adaptation of a tweet

[patent axle]

Church bad is an overused trope

[random ravine]

eh that's debatable. the WoL was safe once he/she reached the confines of isghard

[teal geyser]

Here is page 1

[heady shadow]

I'm taking it

[severe brook]

This is Heavensward in a nutshell

[woeful dagger]

Who would have guessed the dude with the title "See" (literally from the Catholic Church) in a giant robe and giant throne is evil! WOW!

[prime verge]

i feel like id be sadder for harchefaunt's death if i didnt know he was so horny in japanese

[random ravine]

and the Isghardians actually owe the WoL a favor since the WoL helped them deal with the heretics

[wind bough]

His title is Archbishop

[teal geyser]

^

[heady shadow]

oh boy Im keeping these for later

[woeful dagger]

He's the Holy See of Ishgard

Within the Church

[wind bough]

No.

[prime verge]

what

[teal geyser]

want a Fray Alphinaud one?

[wind bough]

v_v

No he's not.

[deft burrow]

Its not that he is evil, its just that he is chaotic neutral.

[heady shadow]

I think I have that one

[severe brook]

Tmb is right in that the Ishgardian faith has the Holy See

[feral mantle]

The Holy See is the nation itself

[severe brook]

which is from Catholicism

[woeful dagger]

Well, Ishgard itself is called the "Holy See", which is a Catholic term.

[heady shadow]

somewhere

[patent axle]

This event has traumatised me, I can still not get over it

[severe brook]

but he's Archbishop, not the Pope

[wind bough]

A see is an office, basically

[patent axle]

please do not stir bad memories or I will cry

😦

[prime verge]

me but emet and elidibus

[woeful dagger]

The Pope is also a See.

[wind bough]

And by extension, the jurisdiction that office oversees.

[prime verge]

harchefaunt doesnt bother me too much

emet and elidibus is like a gaping wound still

[random ravine]

I agree with tmb, that the whole Church criticism thing is overdone and cliche

[patent axle]

i mailed a bomb to ur home

[wind bough]

The pope is not a see.

[prime verge]

JHDSBFJHABDSFHJBADSHJFBJASDBFJASDBFJASHDBFASDFDSF

[severe brook]

eh, i don't think it'll be overdone so long as we still have issues in organized religion

[wind bough]

The Holy See is the Pope's jurisdiction as Bishop of Rome.

😔

[severe brook]

i say this as a Catholic

[wind bough]

A see is not a person.

[deft burrow]

The thing is they tried to shove in a subplot where Thordan is actually not evil or good, he just wants humanity to be the most powerful without gods at all.

[woeful dagger]

That's like saying a nation isn't a combined peoples. There isn't a See without a person.

[feral mantle]

Thordan isn't "The Holy See" though, the full title of Ishgard is "The Holy See of Ishgard"

[deft burrow]

while being a god

[woeful dagger]

The person becomes the See.

[patent axle]

Okay but then they should have the guts to criticize other religions

not just the church

[wind bough]

That's not accurate.

[random ravine]

Catholic church is actually pretty tame compared to seom of the other organized religions these days

[wind bough]

It's like how the Crown =/= the Queen.

[severe brook]

i mean the Church of Yevon in X is based on Shintoism

[feral mantle]

The City-State is quite literally "The See"

[deft burrow]

The Holy See of Ishgard.

[wind bough]

A person does not become a see.

[deft burrow]

Its more of a Kingdom now

[woeful dagger]

The Crown can only exist with a Queen. Calling her "The Crown" is just as formally accepted as calling her "The Queen".

[patent axle]

WOW, ONE RELIGION IN ONE GAME NOT BASED ON CATHOLICISM ? HOW AMAZING

[wind bough]

That's not accurate.

[severe brook]

There's no need to shout, Kiyomi

[wind bough]

you're just wrong on this point.

[teal geyser]

MAYBE HIS CAPS LOCK IS STUCK ON

[patent axle]

it is so you can understand how loud i am being sarcastic

[severe brook]

The Healing Church in Bloodborne is also based on Shintoism but has Catholic aesthetics

[feral mantle]

Like the Holy See isn't a person

[severe brook]

Sarcasm can be used while understated.

[feral mantle]

It's a location/jurisdiction

[severe brook]

For instance, you truly are a bastion of idealism and clarity.

[teal geyser]

Let the hatred flow through you

Become one of us

[random ravine]

The Roman Catholic Church has been the punching bag for countless many RPGs/ esepcially JRPGs

[patent axle]

imagine thinking you know how I am

[wind bough]

At its most specific and granular, a "see" is a bishop's seat

[patent axle]

That's true

[prime verge]

r we seriously arguing whether the archbishop's title is "see'?????

[wind bough]

their literal throne thing.

[random ravine]

it's getting quite old

[teal geyser]

so I know we have a no politics rule but I wonder how that works with religions

[patent axle]

Idk, I found another subject to stir chaos on

[prime verge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym4Bw0-Qb7g

guys stop fighting and enjoy this

[patent axle]

guys keep fighting

[severe brook]

no i seek violence for its own sake

[patent axle]

entertain me i'm bored and I can't sleep

[woeful dagger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9QD25nakt8

checkmate, atheists

[severe brook]

where's the smiling zenos emote

who shut down my joke

[prime verge]

seen this

[woeful dagger]

well see it again

watch it daily

you heathen

[deft burrow]

Moon's haunted

[prime verge]

i do

you assume i dont

[wind bough]

removed for space cause it wasn't used enough

[prime verge]

i wonder why

[wind bough]

no Rommy no one to use Zenos emotes 😔

[woeful dagger]

Anyways, my point before about HW falling down a notch due to anti-religion themes is still my feeling. Good to know some others think the same.

[teal geyser]

I did

[severe brook]

[teal geyser]

I liked :zenwoke:

[patent axle]

I only agree on that point tho

[prime verge]

[patent axle]

for the rest I find HW to be pretty lit

[woeful dagger]

where's my :pepsiman: emote for a3s?

[wind bough]

I'm cut about losing :wakkaglare: though

[prime verge]

i found beautiful emet emote

[woeful dagger]

@wind bough Just sub to caracarnvi on twitch

[wind bough]

No

[teal geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/wakka-ffx-doubt-glaring-gif-18415878

[wind bough]

I don't think I will

[woeful dagger]

fine

[prime verge]

guys lets talk about emet's earring now

[patent axle]

[teal geyser]

wow I never noticed he wore one wth?

[deft burrow]

We're gonna go to Thavnair, find some kind of runes about the moon and final days.

After that we are going to go to Garlemald and confront Zenos/Fandaniel only to have them flee after a battle.

We then visit Sharlaya and convince the people there to fight to protect the world, gathering people up to build a giant space ship.

The final confrontation happens on the moon where we discover an underground civilization as seen with the hole on the dark side of the moon.

Its POSSIBLE that Hydaelyn (the planet) explodes as seen with the big explosion when the title card for Endwalker comes up in the trailer.

[prime verge]

yeah hes sexy that way

[severe brook]

the traditional Imperial Earring signifies the awareness of the Emperor
(emet-selch made it up as a joke)

[patent axle]

i wanna go to dalmasca

[woeful dagger]

Is it possible to rank expansions but split them up?

If you could do that my list would be:

SB Ala Mhigo > ShB Eulmore > ARR 2.0 > HW Dravania > ShB Crystarium > ARR 2.X > HW Ishgard > SB Doma

[severe brook]

we've been to dalmasca

[patent axle]

let me go to dalmasca

[severe brook]

go run rabanastre

[patent axle]

wow that's some boiling take

[wind bough]

fucking yikes

[patent axle]

SB Gyr Abania is the worst thing i've ever seen

[deft burrow]

How would that work though? What's the cut off and start points?

[patent axle]

that's not enough

[woeful dagger]

Idk I am not a fucking scientist over here

[random ravine]

@deft burrow The final confrontation happens on the moon where we discover an underground civilization as seen with the hole on the dark side of the moon.

Pink Floyd album will be the soundtrack to 6.0. Calling it right now

[severe brook]

then go run ridorana

[prime verge]

look at this beautiful man's earring cal

[deft burrow]

FIGURE IT OUT THEN

[random ravine]

ew, who is that guy

[patent axle]

SB Gyr Abania was as bad as ARR

[random ravine]

what an ugly mug

[severe brook]

some rat man

[prime verge]

fuck u

[severe brook]

[deft burrow]

this

[prime verge]

fuck u too

[random ravine]

get him out of my face

[patent axle]

but he's my rat

[woeful dagger]

I don't see how this is "as bad as ARR"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-RuqkOcZW4

[severe brook]

i've seen people who like him call him that lol

and i should point out i do like him as a villain

[prime verge]

he is a rat man

[random ravine]

put him in the same room as urianger and lock the door and throw away the key

[prime verge]

im not arguing that

[wind bough]

That's just the raid on the Scions version 2

[severe brook]

fuck u too

[prime verge]

emet would snap urianger's soul into oblivion

[patent axle]

We've got something similar in ARR but we just didn't see it

so nothing new

[woeful dagger]

Meffrid getting bodied by Fordola 😩

[wind bough]

in fact ARR version was better because I felt more for Noraxia than Meffrid

[prime verge]

i mean it in a loving way tho 😌

[patent axle]

try again next time

[random ravine]

not before urianger bores him to death

[severe brook]

emet and urianger's endless lore discussion

they just spout exposition at each other forever

[drowsy ivy]

im glad someone else agrees

[severe brook]

three new schools of thought emerge in sharlayan from this symposium

[patent axle]

Plus, the ARR scene gives more space to your imagination, it's worse than this because you don't know what happened so you it's only up to you to try and imagine the horrible things that happened here

[unique verge]

That's because Meffrid was thrown away to not-Zenos about 15 minutes after you run into him.

Why should i give a shit

[prime verge]

omfg i can just imagine emet banging for help on the door as urianger chews his ear off with excess verbiage

[patent axle]

Massacres off camera can be more impacting than when just shown

[woeful dagger]

keyword "can"

[patent axle]

And this one is

Because here you literally just met some of the victims

[woeful dagger]

Not at all. You defeat Livia pretty soon after after the massacre. There was no weight or real time to process what happened.

But in SB you have to pick up the pieces as your enemy grows even stronger.

[patent axle]

So yeah, you just gave a proof of how poorly executed SB is

[woeful dagger]

So you aren't sure if you'll even be able to survive another fight.

[wind bough]

It's like 16 levels later.

[patent axle]

^

[wind bough]

There was a whole quest of picking up bodies

[patent axle]

yeah

[wind bough]

it was treated with extreme gravity and given a lot of time

[late aurora]

They’re flowers now, don’t ask

[unique verge]

Like, Meffrid losing that fight honestly just makes him a bad fighter. And since that's his only purpose in the story, i kind of just makes him irrelevant the moment he loses against Fordola.

[patent axle]

While there you quickly recover from it

Clearly, the resistance quickly recovers from this massacre it is not that impactful

But sure keep trying

[woeful dagger]

don't most NPCs who have died only do so because they have to for the story

[unique verge]

His death doesnt advance anything though

he just...dies. because.

[patent axle]

He just dies because they're like

ooooh look

oooooh

zenos bad

he kill people

bad

zenos le bad boooo

[unique verge]

No

Zenos doesnt kill him

[lost raft]

Fordola

[patent axle]

ik

[unique verge]

He literally gets killed by Fordola. he loses a 1v1 to not-resonant Fordola

[patent axle]

The girl that you demolish in an eyeblink

[unique verge]

Yes

That one

[patent axle]

Also let's not mention SB's main character

Known for how boring she can be

Lyse

[strange wing]

Ala Migho got robbed.

[grave raft]

I thought Hien is the main character of SB?

[patent axle]

Aka, Yda but they sucked the fun out of her to turn her into a bland protag

[woeful dagger]

What do you mean? The Ala Mhigan resistance is shattered and you have to go to Doma to seek their aid. The entire arc is how Ala Mhigo and Doma have to work together to beat back the empire and not try to do it on their own.

[strange wing]

With like 60% of the expansion going to Doma

[patent axle]

Good cause Doma stuff was actually okay

[unique verge]

You're not seeking Doma's aid, wtf are you on about

[strange wing]

Doma is great ya

[unique verge]

You're going their to stir up some shit to split the imperials attention. Important difference.

[patent axle]

You're going to Doma to disctract Zenos

[strange wing]

I just wish it had it's on expansion.

[patent axle]

Not to seek help

the help seeking comes after

[unique verge]

We dont even seek help after

Hien shows up of his own volition

[woeful dagger]

Hien owes us a life debt anyways

[patent axle]

You go to Doma to stir some chaos there and push the empire to throw forces here while the Mhigans recover from the massacre

so yeah

you're still rong

[deft burrow]

so does Alphinaud

;)

[woeful dagger]

Alphinaud can repay his life debt to me by not living

[patent axle]

anyway it's past 4am imma sleep

[deft burrow]

😳

[patent axle]

goodbye losers

[woeful dagger]

who else wants a mount where you are riding titan riding his little car

[gaunt star]

Godbert mount.

[late aurora]

Please if we’re gonna ride any of the Edens it’d be Shi-wait, maybe Ram-no, Leviathan yes that one. Final answer

[deft burrow]

UHHH

🚨

[gaunt star]

[unique verge]

Heresy detected.

[dim sigil]

I liked SB

[forest magnet]

Barely anyone remembers that Meffrid died

[forest pecan]

who?

[dim sigil]

Jared

[agile needle]

the highlander that looks like every other highlander

[forest pecan]

oh

[patent axle]

That guy you interact with for like 5 minutes

[agile needle]

you do like three msq's with him

[forest pecan]

oh you mean the things i skip through

got it

[gaunt star]

Fordola kills him

[forest pecan]

ok it was a joke

https://tenor.com/view/superman-missed-the-joke-slow-the-joke-went-over-your-head-superman-explains-the-joke-gif-11801420

[dim sigil]

Roil or w.e his name is would be voiced by Rick Golmez btw

[cinder badger]

I want to play 14 so badly now

It feels like it's been ages

[woeful dagger]

wanna be my friend in-game @cinder badger ?

[cinder badger]

I can't get on

[woeful dagger]

😔

well let me know when you can buddy

[cinder badger]

My computer is still boxed up and even if I manage to unbox it it doesn't have Wi-Fi so I need to set things up with a new ethernet cable because I moved

Alternatively I could just try and get shadowbringers on PlayStation 4 and play it from there but I'm worried that my PS4 will crash 500 times a second

[heady shadow]

was Sage only been in ff3?

[cinder badger]

Tellah technically was a sage

Hey Final Fantasy 4 had twins too I just thought of that

[woeful dagger]

Sage is in Ivalice games

[rugged basin]

Loose definition, but then, in FF3 a Sage was simply an upgraded WHM so, kinda?

[woeful dagger]

Nu Mou only job I believe

[next quarry]

Sage was a high level white and black magic user

Could also use summons

The whm upgrade in 3 was devout

[woeful dagger]

Sage in Tactics Advanced used status ailments and a mace

[cinder badger]

Tellah is a Sage and is able to cast limited White and Black Magic when he joins the party, as he has forgotten much of his spells in his old age. He later remembers the spells, becoming able to cast all but a select few spells. Tellah has very low MP, however.

[woeful dagger]

and was the only Job that could use Giga Flare

[rugged basin]

Right, my mistake.

[woeful dagger]

Sage in Tactics Advanced has the highest magic growth in the game

and the lowest speed growth

[next quarry]

What stays consistent is that sage is strong in older games

[lime estuary]

Tbf, the FF14 Sage is an original job, it just uses a name thats already exists in FF history

[woeful dagger]

Sage is always one of the best magic users in every game it is in

[next quarry]

Yea

Well

[cinder badger]

@woeful dagger that's great and all but Sage was not exclusive to ivalice and wasn't the first

[next quarry]

Debatable for 3

Since it has low MP, it's rough bringing it through LoTA, CT and WoD

[woeful dagger]

I didn't claim otherwise lol

[cinder badger]

The problem with sage is it had the lowest MP pool

But I have a feeling Sage will have 10K MP

[next quarry]

It will

[cinder badger]

Don't quote me on that it's just a Theory

[gaunt star]

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[next quarry]

MP removed in 6.1

[woeful dagger]

Honey would agree with me that Sage in FFT:A is op

[cinder badger]

So here is our four-man Final Fantasy IV party:

Pld
Drg
Sge
???

[next quarry]

WHM

Or Bard

[brisk quail]

Every class will have 10k mp

[next quarry]

Or nin

Or smn

[gaunt star]

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[woeful dagger]

shame, it's fun

[gaunt star]

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[woeful dagger]

that is not surprising

[cinder badger]

I'm still not ruling out that the new melee DPS will just be Warrior being change from tank to DPS

[gaunt star]

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[cinder badger]

Just because I think it would be funny if that actually happened even though I know it's not going to happen

[gaunt star]

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[brisk quail]

Bruh this DR group refuses to use pots

[cinder badger]

Think of how many heads would explode if it actually happened

[glossy vale]

New melee DPS will just be Onion Knight

[woeful dagger]

I think most WAR mains would prefer that to some extent lol

[gaunt star]

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[cinder badger]

They would but it would just be a hilarious because then people would start suggesting other jobs to have their roles changed

[gaunt star]

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[cinder badger]

Nah people would be like Samurai tank all over again

[gaunt star]

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[woeful dagger]

first impression of Gaia

[cinder badger]

I personally think deleting monk would be healthy for the game

[gaunt star]

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[unreal wadi]

@cinder badger

[cinder badger]

Exactly

[unreal wadi]

the fuck you say to me

[gaunt star]

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[unreal wadi]

You little shit

An attack on monk is a direct attack on me

[cinder badger]

Remember when fist stances cost MP to keep up?

[woeful dagger]

@gaunt star When Viera were first rumored to be in ShB I was sooooo hoping we'd get Elementalist from FFT:A

It's such a fun Job

[unreal wadi]

Imagine TP

TP 2.0

electric bogaloo

[cinder badger]

Isn't Elementalist technically another name for geomancer?

[teal geyser]

...no?

[cinder badger]

@teal geyser it's true 1.0

[teal geyser]

Ew 1.0

[woeful dagger]

No, Elementalist uses physical and magical attacks

[unreal wadi]

imagine talking about 1.0

[cinder badger]

Yeah well you can't deny the existence of 1.0 because without it we wouldn't have a 2.0 obviously

[dim sigil]

Shhh arr is 14 1

[cinder badger]

Legacy players helped Drive the game forward we were essentially the alpha and beta testers for A Realm Reborn

[kindred rampart]

1.0 players are like unsundered

[teal geyser]

Annoying? Yeah

[dim sigil]

They get a neat tattoo

Tatarus new outfit she makes better be good

[teal geyser]

Rohe

[cinder badger]

After it was revealed that we were a sundered ancient I began to believe that the tattoo was actually our "mark" like how the other ascians have

[teal geyser]

Djdidi

[drowsy ivy]

they get a tramp stamp and a discount on sub thats it

[teal geyser]

Gib robe

[dim sigil]

The trailer robe huh

[cinder badger]

@drowsy ivy we also got a cool bird mount

[teal geyser]

Just a robe

[dim sigil]

Robe

[drowsy ivy]

oh yeah the Legacy Chocobo
I prefer the Amber Draught myself

[cinder badger]

@drowsy ivy I got that too

[dim sigil]

Sub discount is pretty neat

[woeful dagger]

I have both Draught chocobos

[teal geyser]

I know but still gib robe

[dim sigil]

Bath robe

[cinder badger]

Also every new character I make starts off with two Fantasia's

[teal geyser]

It's fun Yayayo

I enjoy it too

Getting 3 fantasias per alt is fun

[cinder badger]

I know right it's great

That's $30 I don't have to spend

[heady shadow]

where you get that

[teal geyser]

Old veteran reward + HW collector's edition + MSQ

[cinder badger]

I don't remember getting the collector's edition of HW I think my first one actually comes from my legacy... I'd have to get back on to really look

Make a new character and then read the letters for each one

[woeful dagger]

https://youtu.be/fLELosdQ1R4

Love denmo

[heady shadow]

oh...

im way too late for that then lol

[teal geyser]

Honestly it gets annoying after a while

when you make an alt you have to go the mailmoogle and pick up your like, 35 letters from SE

and your inventory gets half filled

[cinder badger]

God I remember in 1.0 they charged you an extra dollar per alt

[teal geyser]

Classic FFXI system

[hollow fern]

o.o

[woeful dagger]

They still do in 11

[hollow fern]

That's rough

[cinder badger]

Yep that's how it work at Final Fantasy 11

Only 11 charges you $13 for the initial character rather than 10

[hollow fern]

Well, don't they still technically do that? Standard only allows you one character, does it not?

I may be misremembering.

[woeful dagger]

One per world

[teal geyser]

one character per world 8 max

[hollow fern]

Yee.

Which I guess is better in some ways.

Especially now that we are able to visit other worlds.

[cinder badger]

Charging per character is a bad business model. Imagine World of Warcraft charging you for every alt

[gaunt star]

Guys, Yoshi spoke to me in my dreams again.

[hollow fern]

Pfff

[gaunt star]

He said there won't be any female Hroths.

[hollow fern]

I know people having, like, 12 characters

[gaunt star]

[hollow fern]

I think.

I may be exaggerating.

xD

[obsidian pagoda]

In WoW you can only have 1 class per char, so if you wanna try a new class you have to make alts. If they charge for that no one will wanna play

[hollow fern]

That's one thing that's so nice about ff. I personally don't see a need for an alt because all of the classes are on one character.

[gaunt star]

I only have one alt for Balmung.

[woeful dagger]

At the same time, having Alts is nice because it allows SE to release branching stories.

[obsidian pagoda]

It's been made heaps easier now cause you can change spec for free, but back in the days even the gold sink for changing spec was pretty damn high

[gaunt star]

So I can lay about on the tables of the Quicksand.

[woeful dagger]

So you can have different characters do different paths of a story.

[gaunt star]

And keep up the legacy of Table Cloth.

[hollow fern]

True true. I guess some use alts to follow different story paths?

I never thought about that honestly.

[woeful dagger]

But since you can do it all with 1 character, they don't see a need to do that I reckon

[hollow fern]

Everybody in my household plays and typically play together, so when they get to the point where they want to choose a line, they all ask each other what they chose and what was answered.

[woeful dagger]

always choose the "..." answer

every time

[hollow fern]

xD

I have maybe done it... once?

xD

[cinder badger]

Is 14 on ps4 good looking

[dim sigil]

Like im sure braching paths are great n all but id rather not

[cinder badger]

?

[dim sigil]

Looks fine enough to me on a pro

[woeful dagger]

Define "good"

[hollow fern]

But I'm also doing New Game+ so I am trying to really catch story.

[woeful dagger]

It looks like a low-to-mid end PC would look. Not the best resolution, not that sharpest graphics, but also not 720p.

[dim sigil]

But i think oot still looks amazing so who am i to talk

[woeful dagger]

But it's certainly not stunning or anything

[turbid helm]

Looks good for a 10 year old game

Otherwise no

[cinder badger]

Well my PC isn't exactly top-of-the-line anyway

[hollow fern]

Also, New Game+ gives you options too, which really defeats the purpose of an alt, however, you'd have to skip to that specific quest EVERY TIME.

[woeful dagger]

Waiting on my Biden Bux so I can upgrade at GPU.

I have an Rx 570 rn, thinking about going up a tier.

[hollow fern]

Oh yeah, aren't they releasing a new stimulus?

[woeful dagger]

who knows

[hollow fern]

That's the rumor anyways.

But now I'm getting #not-ffxiv-discussion so I'll stop there.

xD

[cinder badger]

Look I really miss playing this game but I don't know when I'm going to be able to get onto my computer and play it so my alternative is to just get shadowbringers on my PlayStation 4 version and play it on that

[woeful dagger]

this channel has no real topic, people go from one topic to another

[hollow fern]

That's re-assuring. I just joined so, I don't know how strict everything is around here.

[woeful dagger]

it'll be taken down in 4 days anyways

[dim sigil]

You talk about w.e till a mod pops in

[hollow fern]

Pff

Sounds rebelious

[woeful dagger]

this happened 22 hours ago

[cinder badger]

I need to catch up.

[obsidian pagoda]

It's always something about the Twins lol

[hollow fern]

LOL

[cinder badger]

Fun fact Final Fantasy 4 had twins too

[heady shadow]

did that happen?

wow

[dim sigil]

Gcbtw

[hollow fern]

I love their way of handling the issue.

[gaunt star]

A prophet from 8 years ago regarding the 6.0 story.

[hollow fern]

xD

Lmao

Nice.

[woeful dagger]

That's 1.0's story tho

[cinder badger]

So wait I can't express my love for Alisaie?

[heady shadow]

thats 1.0 forums right?

[gaunt star]

^

[woeful dagger]

8 years ago would be the end of ARR though

[gaunt star]

They mistook the moon for meteor.

[hollow fern]

Alphinaud is better.

[gaunt star]

[woeful dagger]

So weird they are talking about 1.0 as if it's the present

[heady shadow]

tbh

we are still in 1.0 story

[cinder badger]

Boy can't even swim

[heady shadow]

6.0 isd the finalk end for it

[woeful dagger]

Not in about 6 months we aren't

[hollow fern]

Which makes him cute

[woeful dagger]

[hollow fern]

o3o

[heady shadow]

just just think

[hollow fern]

I can carry him accross the water, no worries.

Or Cid can give him a lift. Either way.

[heady shadow]

Yoshi is admitting that the story has been going sicxe 1.0

and now we are going into a new ardc

[hollow fern]

Do you guys think Endwalker is the... end? ;-;

Or do you think they'll start a new section?

[heady shadow]

its the end of the current story

[woeful dagger]

I hope so cause this engine is barely holding on

[obsidian pagoda]

Are there any water on the moon?

[heady shadow]

6.1 will be brand new

[gaunt star]

6.1+ will lead up to the new story of 7.0.

[heady shadow]

no more zodi

[hollow fern]

I'm so excited. o^o

[heady shadow]

no more hydealyn

[woeful dagger]

The Moon has oxygen

It has a whole ecosystem

[hollow fern]

How many stories do they have planned? I'm not very educated.

[heady shadow]

dunno

[gaunt star]

Probably for a very long time.

[heady shadow]

6.1 starts a new arc so.

[gaunt star]

If anything, Yoshi made it clear that if FFXIV were about to end, he'll let us know.

[hollow fern]

Lmfao Thancred.

[woeful dagger]

They don't have any stories planned, all they have is an outline plot and then they write as they go.

[heady shadow]

yoshi has stated he was 10 years worth

[open verge]

6.1 to 7.0

Jesus that’s gonna be chunky

[gaunt star]

And he also confirmed that if he were to die, he'll still work on FFXIV per SE contract.

[hollow fern]

Man, I realized YESTERDAY that ff has been out for 10 years.