A trailer is supposed to catch your attention and give you a taste as to what's promised
#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
soft maple
rough kestrel
Its just SB was a location I didnt care about
soft maple
The only thing being promised was the reach and kugane
gaunt star
next WoW expansion will be called Moonwalker
soft maple
That's it
viscid monolith
It caught everyone's attention soooo not sure what you are on about
soft maple
Not mine
acoustic sail
100% next WoW expansion will be endbringer.
royal spruce
Let's hope 5.5 doesn't end on a dud
viscid monolith
If I cared enough to look back 4 years ago I know I'd find you losing your shit
gaunt star
it will end of a dud
rough kestrel
Was discord a thing 4 years ago?
soft maple
Yeah
viscid monolith
Yes
gaunt star
"Find out what happens on the next episode of Final Fantasy XIV when you purchase Endwalker"
rough kestrel
royal spruce
I want end of A Realm Reborn I want end of Heaven's Ward type ending in 5.5
acoustic sail
Can we preorder
gaunt star
at May probs
viscid monolith
Regardless, shitting on something because it's not as good as what came after is low tier criticism
kindred rampart
next WoW expansion will be called Moonwalker
World of Warcraft: Lunarbringers
vagrant sinew
Was discord a thing 4 years ago?
discord was like, 2015 or 2016
rough kestrel
Diamond Hands, we're going to the moon
gaunt star
World of Trashcraft
royal spruce
I wonder I wonder where the endgame area will be this time
craggy pawn
I hope endwalker msq breaks me emotionally completely
kind lark
Late 2016 was when I found about discord
soft maple
Nonetheless
gaunt star
I hope endwalker msq breaks me emotionally completely
it will send u to the hospital
royal spruce
So where exactly do you guys think this larger city is in the expansion
kind lark
MOON
gaunt star
THE MOON /s
rough kestrel
Sharlayan
kind lark
Moon city, moon city
viscid monolith
No. It's something kids do with cartoons. Comparing old versions to new versions. You haven't even explain why it's terrible.
gaunt star
Garlemald! Oh wait.. thats destroyed.
ember forum
Probably some city on moon
craggy pawn
it will send u to the hospital
It better do
next quarry
Space Ship
rough kestrel
More like Gonelemald
soft maple
A trailer is supposed to catch your attention and give you a taste as to what's ...
I've stayed an example of what a trailer should do
next quarry
Space ship endgame hub would be so cool
soft maple
And have pointed out the only thing it accomplishes
kindred rampart
7.0 @gaunt star @rough kestrel
||Garlemald Reconstruction||
rough kestrel
I did joke "One day we'll have a tomestone city on a Space station, with end game Vendors"
soft maple
I haven't gone to state why it's inferior to the other 3
But I surely could regarding the other 2
viscid monolith
It caught people's attention, it showed us Rhalgr's Reach and Kugane, and it showed off a new job.
royal spruce
We going Star Wars in 6.1 we're going to travel the Galaxy and go to new planet every expansion
kind lark
Will the travel time to the moon be as long as a dps queue?
gaunt star
Will the travel time to the moon be as long as a dps queue?
999 gil
rough kestrel
royal spruce
That spaceship on the end Walker trailer doesn't that look like a star destroyer?
rough kestrel
99,999 gil
gaunt star
looks more like a pizza slice
soft maple
That's you
zenith turret
looks nothing like one
soft maple
Those three are all it has to offer
viscid monolith
Trailers don't need to show story beats to be considered good. They just need to give you a taste of what's to come.
ember forum
Did anyone here finish 2nd step already?
soft maple
It failed to do even that
primal sundial
nope I still need 23 memories
soft maple
There's no sense of liberation felt from that trailer
It's literally a duel
And a samurai flexing
kindred rampart
many were calling that Yoshi would give us Garlemald. . .as ashes lol
ember forum
Aww, i still need 33 :(
viscid monolith
Ya and it was fucking cool
gaunt star
many were calling that Yoshi would give us Garlemald. . .as ashes lol
i know which is ironic and hilarious 
i saw some Endwalker reactions and ppl were like 'THATS GARLEMALD?!?!??!"
viscid monolith
That's all a trailer needs to be
craggy pawn
Garlemald is gonemald
soft maple
Maybe to you, but if that is all it has to offer, it's bad compared to the other two
zenith turret
in YOUR opinion
empty linden
So wats the new job gonna be besides sage?
kind lark
I hope we get a bit or garlemald that isn't messed up
royal spruce
Garlemald reconstruction in the 6.x Series?
gaunt star
a melee dps 
zenith turret
so why keep taking about it, youve said your piece
ember forum
Garlemald reconstruction in the 6.x Series?
That could be possible
gaunt star
oh no toxicity
craggy pawn
Man seeing garlemald in ashes is kinda weird.
Considering how they used to be an threat.
cedar wadi
there's always a bigger fish
strong dew
two civil wars and an Apocalypse does things to a place xD
gaunt star
xd
craggy pawn
We kinda have to thank zenos.
cedar wadi
Zenos, savior of the world 
craggy pawn
strong dew
well, he kinda stopped the end of the world. only to bring the end of the world, anyways lol
kind lark
<:snael:711681428349517995>
No not the slime lady
humble rain
Imagine the addiction to crafting where during my surgery now while drugged I was picturing crafting gear 
strong dew
lol
primal sundial
Imagine the addiction to crafting where during my surgery now while drugged I wa...
I'm learning how to cross-stitch because I was levelling weaver
I'm not kidding
kindred rampart
i know which is ironic and hilarious <:haha:240841245239410688> i saw some Endwa...
yeah the problems with Garlemald just kept piling up throughout the expansions that by the time it was ready to be an actual regions the devs had already covered it in gasoline and only needed a single spark
players finally seeing it
strong dew
lmaoooo
gaunt star
LOL
humble rain
I'm leveling all except culinarian
strong dew
i only got NIN to level 80.
primal sundial
Proof of my IRL Weaver skills btw
strong dew
that's cool! :o
primal sundial
Mario ? Block 
humble rain
Damn tha
That's good
primal sundial
I need to make mario under it now
humble rain
Indeed
strong dew
you got this!
humble rain
WoL mario glamour
craggy pawn
I wonder if endwalker will have an early access thing before the launch like shadow bringers.
autumn heron
They will
wet crown
Ardbert was on the moon already
autumn heron
They had early access for both HW amd SB too
wet crown
craggy pawn
They had early access for both HW amd SB too
Oh I see
coral kite
When does Early Access generally start
sturdy estuary
early
zenith turret
4 or 5 days before official launch
empty moss
That spaceship on the end Walker trailer doesn't that look like a star destroyer...
no
more like a Praetor
sturdy estuary
EW is gonna be my second expac launch, the rush to finish story before you get spoiled is real
digital forge
mood
zenith turret
turn chat logs off
empty moss
zenith turret
thats it
kindred rampart
we'll use an Allagan Spaceship. . .shaped like a Tomestone
empty moss
no rowena will hear you
kind lark
It'll 100k tomestones to build
empty moss
viscid glade
they make a tomestone phone case dont they
balmy mesa
I'm leveling all except culinarian
why?
balmy mesa
4 or 5 days before official launch
3 days generally
humble rain
I don't find it as necessary
balmy mesa
it's a good money maker, cos guess who needs raid food?
zenith turret
its always been 4 days has it not?
humble rain
People that need crafting gear can also give you money
balmy mesa
yes, but culinarians make a shit ton when world prog comes around
humble rain
Electrum necklace is easy to make and sells fast
open verge
If you put the effort into leveling them all
Why wouldn’t you just do lCulinarian as well
severe brook
it's a bunch of tomestones glued together
zenith turret
I don't find it as necessary
raid food sells for a ton
balmy mesa
raid food sells for a ton
especially when it's prog time
zenith turret
mmhmm
kindred rampart
humble rain
Maybe I'll do it later. Now I'm focusing on all expet fishing and culinarian
autumn heron
Why would anyone continue to be SCH
Once Sage comes out
Its a barrier healer without the pet mechanics
kindred rampart
Scholar? I know Sage but Scholar?
kindred rampart
Sage is too cool for school
digital forge
Gonna save all this for when 6.0 comes out and SCH has some neat new rework
gaunt star
thin crypt
gloomy shale
so people are goin with SGE as abbreviation?
kindred rampart
Gonna save all this for when 6.0 comes out and SCH has some neat new rework
next digital event
"After much debate. . well not that much, we have decided to delete Scholar" 
gloomy shale
also delete AST
random anvil
first MNK, now SCH. which job is next 
gloomy shale
7.0 we will be removing a handful of jobs. Please Look Forward To It
brisk quail
I'm immune to those memes
I'm immune.
I main PLD.
I'm used to pain... loss....
autumn heron
also delete AST
The abbreviations are always 3 letters
Its not something the fans come up with
Its in game
kindred rampart
PLD was mostly incomplete until SB tbh
autumn heron
PLD in ARR didnt even have a full rotation
brisk quail
I'm used to loss
autumn heron
It was 2 buttons
digital forge
I'm used to the memes
brisk quail
I had shield swipe taken away from me
gloomy shale
PLD was Flash spam
brisk quail
I had flash taken
gloomy shale
Bring Back Flash 7.0
brisk quail
Back when we had to regen MP with shelltron.
Back when we gained oath for holy spirit
robust atlas
So what are y’all going to play after FFXIV ends in 2023?
gloomy shale
FFXIV
robust atlas
Understandable
zenith turret
FF11 cause that game never seems to end
craggy pawn
pso2 ngs
gloomy shale
when does that come out btw?
primal sundial
I will play myself
craggy pawn
when does that come out btw?
sesega still hasnt given an date beside spring
gloomy shale
I'm intrigued by that game
digital forge
So what are y’all going to play after FFXIV ends in 2023?
Wait for 7.0
brisk quail
Not PS5
gloomy shale
oh
random anvil
Squadron Marauders still have Flash pepehands
zenith turret
game is supposed to have stock on the 10th
gloomy shale
They are from the past
zenith turret
in uk
forest magnet
PLD's gameplay is at its best ever imo
In SB PLD was terrible for dungeons
you had to have shield oath
gloomy shale
I think all the tanks are close to their beset iterations
forest magnet
DRK and WAR could tank with offensive stances on
PLD could not
at least not all the time
brisk quail
You know what I want?
kindred rampart
I just want this as a burst ender for Monk in 6.0
https://i.imgur.com/sCxmruW.gif
brisk quail
-
Blocking gives you oath
-
Spend oath on a OGCD attack with mp gain/requicast timer down
- Better goring blade dot
gloomy shale
yeah the oath gauge needs to not be a thing
topaz river
PLD is the only job where you can almost completely ignore the gauge lol
brisk quail
Tbh yeah
gloomy shale
it's just a tacked on unnecessary systeym
brisk quail
It's just there for the first 5 seconds of the fight
topaz river
Or just leave it capped for long periods of time with no consequence
topaz river
Use sheltron, intervene if you want to be fancy, otherwise it doesn't matter
random ravine
u guys think SE will ever rework tanking role, where instead of the tank stance, your aggro will be based on your dps as well as skills that add a multiplier to the dps-aggro?
brisk quail
That's why if you give it a damage OGCD then it BECOMES important
autumn heron
So what are y’all going to play after FFXIV ends in 2023?
The main story ends in 6.0
6.1 is the start of a brand new arc entirely
brisk quail
It's important to manage
signal solar
make passage have oath
topaz river
u guys think SE will ever rework tanking role, where instead of the tank stance,...
Isn't that what it was before shb
digital forge
u guys think SE will ever rework tanking role, where instead of the tank stance,...
That's technically what it is now lol
brisk quail
~~make passage have oath~~
You shoulda seen my crazy idea
digital forge
But yes even moreso pre-ShB
gloomy shale
that's literally what they changed lol
signal solar
pre SHB tanking was
autumn heron
You need to dps to keep aggro
digital forge
Note: IT WASN'T GOOD
signal solar
not as funky
digital forge
Here's what people did
random ravine
Isn't that what it was before shb
really? why they change it
brisk quail
This shit. Lmao
digital forge
Pull as WAR
random ravine
tanking is so boring
digital forge
DELIVERANCE UNLEASH FELL CLEAVE
topaz river
It's less complicated and more streamlined the way it is now
signal solar
tanking was much worse
autumn heron
Tabking pre-shb was painful
digital forge
never worry about aggro again unless DPS doesn't hit diversion
topaz river
With new tank stance you'll basically never lose aggro as long as you're not afk
stone jetty
Atleast you don't stare at butts as a tank
autumn heron
Keeping aggro as anything but a war is hell
random ravine
if that's the case, tanking seems alot more fun back then
digital forge
No one used the aggro combo
topaz river
You don't have to worry about people ripping the boss off you
signal solar
back then, we had an aggro combo and a dps combo separately
digital forge
Nah it was more fluff than anything
autumn heron
if that's the case, tanking seems alot more fun back then
No it wasnt
gloomy shale
I remember ping ponging aggro on the old tanks lol it was hilarious
topaz river
It also removed the need for aggro dump buttons on other jobs
Which overall reduces skill bloat
digital forge
The only hilarious part was WHM ripping aggro on O8S Phase 2 start
brisk quail
really? why they change it
-
People/DPS didn't use agro managment skills
-
Tank stance made you more tanky but reduced damage dealt, meaning you'd have to swap it on and off during combat for busters and mechs
-
You had a agro and a dps combo you had to swap between which hampered your efficacy.
signal solar
i liked SB DRK. I dont like every other aspect of tanking that was not related to DPS
autumn heron
Its why Tanks pre-shb were so rare
gloomy shale
people don't even use essences in Delibrum you think they want complicated tank aggro mechanics?
autumn heron
Like legit
topaz river
You had to balance your damage (that could help clear enrage) vs having the boss turn around and nuke the party
cinder badger
I swear the music from the trailer I have heard in a dungeon or something
signal solar
but those of use who were tanks got good at it
autumn heron
The only ones that were just did it for fast queues
cinder badger
Like they remixed it for a reason
autumn heron
Like me
fiery falcon
yeah there was a lot of pressure for new tanks to play perfectly...I know because i was one of those new tanks lol
topaz river
My static leader was a PLD main in SB and he tells me horror stories
gloomy shale
I liked HW DRK it was busy
topaz river
I didn't start playing until 5.1 and didn't start raiding until Verse
digital forge
Savage pugger here
fiery falcon
I didn't tanke until 7.0
digital forge
The amount of people not using diversion was too damn high
brisk quail
Tbh.
In savage...
Playing tank pre-tank rework...
Was PAIN
cinder badger
@topaz river anybody who believes Paladin is a horror story it's not a true Paladin
viscid glade
is tanking even real
does tanking exist
has anyone even SEEN a tank
in this game?
gloomy shale
no it's a DPS
viscid glade
i thought not
lusty shadowBOT
autumn heron
Same
topaz river
<@249174786884763652> anybody who believes Paladin is a horror story it's not a ...
Was more tanking in general not pld specific
autumn heron
!me
lusty shadowBOT
topaz river
Though he has his "time your holy spirit better" memes whenever I complain about pre-78 PLD
blissful snow
!me
lusty shadowBOT
blissful snow
Hey I'm in it! 😄
digital forge
!me
cinder badger
Remember when you needed to level two classes just to unlock a job
lusty shadowBOT
digital forge
oh not verified
autumn heron
Remember
lusty shadowBOT
blissful snow
How did you do that?! o.o
viscid glade
!me
lusty shadowBOT
signal solar
verify in botspam, instructions are at the bottom of the !me embed
autumn heron
To get Paladin
viscid glade
!iam aether lelli fafren
lusty shadowBOT
gloomy shale
on a side note what is the highest DPS tank for Delibrum?
viscid glade
i shouldnt do this here
next quarry
So
signal solar
yes
next quarry
SAM @gloomy shale
signal solar
SAM tank
viscid glade
!me
lusty shadowBOT
viscid glade
that aint right
signal solar
level 6 them
random anvil
Cross class skills and levelling other classes was a relic of early 00's MMO design that i kinda miss
autumn heron
You forget
viscid glade
i logged off on sam lol
signal solar
thats the class you last logged out as
brisk quail
!me
lusty shadowBOT
viscid glade
thats my sam glam
autumn heron
In Bozja DPS can be tanks
signal solar
save char
little estuary
!iam Behemoth Shune Nelhah
lusty shadowBOT
signal solar
which one is ynne
brisk quail
which one is ynne
Neither
signal solar
lodestone is probably private then
heady shadow
you cant private lodestone iirc
glacial turret
Hi I’m Daisy
signal solar
ok, and
glacial turret
Rude
primal sundial
!me
lusty shadowBOT
thin crypt
not drip
viscid glade
your honour the defendant has no drip
lusty shadowBOT
balmy mesa
!iam verify
lusty shadowBOT
vernal haven
balmy mesa
!iam verify
lusty shadowBOT
lusty shadowBOT
tiny wind
fisher in pvp
balmy mesa
probably not
unborn ferry
fisher in pvp
YEEEAAAH
random ravine
fisher in pvp
weaver v leatherworker
balmy mesa
random ravine
WHO WOULD WIN?
balmy mesa
well, they certainly dumped it all
tiny wind
weaver v leatherworker
good question
random ravine
culinarian V alchemist
unborn ferry
FSH Tank, uses the fishing rod to hook players and force them to attack the FSH.
BOT Healer, using natural flora to brew healing remedies
MIN DPS, throws rocks and lumps of metal at foes.
mossy iron
Not to mention, pickaxe
cinder badger
Final Fantasy XIV: Grape Eater
fiery falcon
Culinarian - Magic dps. Uses fire to roast enemies
cinder badger
I remember when crafting/gathering claases could start the game and actually fight stuff by throwing rocks
It was so dumb
cinder lark
grave raft
cinder lark
You're welcome!
tiny wind
omg 
tiny wind
omg
strong dew
xD
cinder badger
Hey it looks like the Puppet Master puppet
strange summit
Gigi confirmed
tardy elm
Is there new crafting gear? Otherwise losing stats from a belt is significant
digital forge
Is there new crafting gear? Otherwise losing stats from a belt is significant
Since 5.3, no. Or do you mean 6.0?
digital forge
ah
tardy elm
6.0
digital forge
yeah, the stats will just be reallocated afaik
they're def gonna balance around it
actually now that you mention it, I wonder how they'll squish for crafters/gatherers
forest magnet
crafts don't require 1 million progress....yet.
digital forge
true that
subtle pasture
ooo fanfest merch, gotta get that Sin Eater shirt
also me, starring at the job icon mask case if they put Sage and the new melee on it
BLU's on it, which is cool
digital forge
I don't think they would do a reveal that early lol
The DNC/GNB icon reveal was a few weeks before on an IG post
subtle pasture
yeah, moreso seeing if they accidentally leak the icons
bc I recall DNC and GNB's were, but, nearer to the media event, not off merch
gaunt star
has the male viera announcement been released
open verge
It’s not happening
subtle pasture
I wanna recall SAM or GNB had their icons leaked with stickers or some such
tiny wind
it will never
digital forge
DNC got theorized because of the background of the official pic
I don't remember SAM/RDM/GNB leaks but its been 2/4 years since so don't trust my memory
subtle pasture
yeah, pretty much
and these "leaks" were usually from fanfest merch given alongside their announcements
open verge
Remember when we thought GNB was going to be called soldier
subtle pasture
--which is to say, squints hard at this fanfest merch
tardy elm
Is there a 6.0 FarmVille like component to the other FF games?
subtle pasture
I, blank out on the minigames and metagames but I believe so
placid sail
i love the sineater shirt
subtle pasture
the case in question btw, the BLU icon threw me for a loop for a bit
placid sail
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/587202965878865920/602279725448167434/IMG_20190721_022323.jpg
open verge
She’s so hot
placid sail
tho this art is even nicer than what's on the shirt
open verge
placid sail
she's also a bit creepy, with how much her hair resembles endless wings
tardy elm
Is that sin eater a man or woman?
digital forge
Is there a 6.0 FarmVille like component to the other FF games?
there probably is, but i don't recall ever getting something directly adjacent to the Harvest Moon genre and such
placid sail
somewhere in the middle of angelic beauty and eldritch horror
digital forge
Yoshi-P even referred to the "Slow Living" genre when presenting it
subtle pasture
Forgiven Obscenity? Her TT card implies she was a former Songbird at the Beehive
tardy elm
Seems like it will be like Stardew Valley in FF14
subtle pasture
One of Vauthry's favorites, or some such
craggy gale
good sin eater booba shirt I can't wear in public
digital forge
Yeah that's also one of the genre
subtle pasture
oh my god the Whimsy shirt is Ryne as Alice with a Porxie and Feo Ul
I didn't look at it up close in the LL 
digital forge
The closest translation is "Slow living" but harvest moon/animal crossing/stardew valley are the major games of that...genre(?) so to speak
tardy elm
Why is she an obscenity?
open verge
placid sail
and that's the other fairy in the upper left
i forgot their name
the one from the beast tribe quests
subtle pasture
Tyr Beq! Oh yeah,
placid sail
true, where's An
subtle pasture
Of the myriad sin eaters Lord Vauthry kept at his beck and call, this was said to be among his favorites. In another life, she was rumored to be a songstress of the Beehive who would ultimately find a higher calling at his side. One can but imagine how it came to be known by such a sinful moniker.
Also the actual lore on Forgiven Obscenity from her TT card,
cinder badger
Since I currently can't play on my PC right now I wonder if I should try to play through my PlayStation 4
placid sail
yeah the implications of that name
uneven cape
I think you would have to buy the ps4 version
placid sail
and Vauthry has the gal to call himself Innocence
cinder badger
I have the PS4 version up to heavensward so I would need to buy shadowbringers
uneven cape
You wouldn't need to buy Stormblood?
cinder badger
Buying the current expansion gives you all the expansions under it
uneven cape
Ah ok
woeful dagger
Hi
uneven cape
Hey there
cinder badger
There used to be a time where you would have to buy each one separately but I think companies started to understand that it was a bad model after you get about four expansions in and telling people they have to buy each one separately
digital forge
yup
cinder badger
But the trade-off is they charge more per expansion
tardy elm
That description is reminiscent of that Modimbra minion description
cinder badger
Because Final Fantasy XI for example expansions were only $20 new
Now each expansion tends to be almost the price of a full game
forest magnet
There used to be a time where you would have to buy each one separately but I th...
Tell that to Paradox
Crusader Kings and EU4 expansions are all separate
the complete edition is almost 200 dollars
forest magnet
they make Crusader Kings, Europa Universalis, XCOM, basically strategy games
rigid sapphire
the new dps is more or less confirmed to share gear with DRG right?
forest magnet
the new dps is more or less confirmed to share gear with DRG right?
more or less, yes
cinder badger
Shadowbringers is currently $40
gaunt star
Isnt that for all expansions tho?
rigid sapphire
yes but no
forest magnet
complete edition is on sale for 40 dollars so
cinder badger
Yes you get all expansions underneath it otherwise it would be pointless to buy it until you get the others
forest magnet
technically SHB is like 20 bucks
gaunt star
So people paid 40 regardless?
cinder badger
Well if we're talking the PlayStation Store both the collection and just the expansion are on sale until the 18th
forest magnet
complete edition usually is like 60
which is 20 for base + 40 for new expac
- month of sub
tardy elm
How much will the 6.0 expansion cost
rigid sapphire
Free = ARR and HW
Base = $20 for anything up to the current expansion
and then.... whatever the current expansion is
tardy elm
😮
soft gyro
40$ was it?
gaunt star
So 6.0 will be 40 bucks
cinder badger
Currently there is a sale so right now shadowbringers is $20
forest magnet
I was able to cheese the system and get SHB for 35 dollars though on preorder
soft gyro
wat
chilly plover
i got the complete edition on a 50% sale for $35
cinder badger
I don't like doing pre-orders anymore
gaunt star
How did people get access to early release? Did you have to pay extra?
forest magnet
oh, on preorder
Steam had a lunar new year event where they discount 5 dollars on any purchase of 20 or more dollars
gaunt star
Or just pre-order it
forest magnet
stonks
forest magnet
Or just pre-order it
just preorder
gaunt star
Huh
soft gyro
you need the steam version though unfortunately
gaunt star
Not bad
vernal haven
pre orders are kinda different for an mmo
usually im against it but like
literally paying a sub
rigid sapphire
pre-orders are more like a pre-purchase
vernal haven
already
soft gyro
what is different with preorders with mmo's tho?
cinder badger
I don't play on Steam
forest magnet
Not bad
the catch is if something goes wrong (servers crash/raubahn savage) SE just shrugs and goes "well it is early access"
vernal haven
you don't really know how an expansion will be even after it launches
soft gyro
a preorder is a preorder
vernal haven
so unless you're planning to wait until all the raid tiers are out and miss the expansion
cinder badger
There's pre-order and pre-purchase
vernal haven
you cant really wait for reviews
random ravine
yea obviously
soft gyro
pre-purchase is more about purchasing before it has come out, but pre-ordering is ordering, and then pay when it releases
random ravine
but im wondering what it actually is
cinder badger
Pre-order marks you down and then charges you on the launch.
Pre-purchase takes your money right then and there.
primal sundial
Server crashes on launch are normal because it’s basically a DDoS attack but legal
rigid sapphire
so those like, aetherite crystals we used to transport souls around
weaponize that
and fill it with aether
tardy elm
🦃
forest magnet
how would t hat be any different from just filling up any old crystal with aether
cinder badger
All you really get it on the pre-order is maybe a fancy earring that boost your XP.
A minion.
And you get to play a week early
royal spruce
I thought about this but wouldn't it be funny if they let us marry npc in 14
forest magnet
Actually
soft gyro
i have not seen server crash on shb launch tho
primal sundial
They are probably more efficient than normal crystals
forest magnet
No that's a terrible idea
forest magnet
we have husbandos
rigid sapphire
they LOOK like vessels for the casters own aether, which gives them full control over them
cinder badger
Really getting to play a week early is useless when that's when all the problems happen
So you really can't play at all
random ravine
There is no waifu npcs man
the dark monk that cripples widgargelt is kinda waifuish
forest magnet
they LOOK like vessels for the casters own aether, which gives them full control...
You just described how the Foci on RDM weapons work
cinder badger
The focus Crystal on a red Mages weapon Works similar to the focus Crystal on a black mage weapon
royal spruce
How many of you would marry Gaius
open verge
the dark monk that cripples widgargelt is kinda waifuish
I guess
rigid sapphire
@cinder badger it also lets you level up the new jobs in that early access week
cinder badger
@rigid sapphire again that's if you manage to be able to play
rigid sapphire
I had no problems at all during ShB early access
cinder badger
When you're crashing every 3 seconds because of server congestion
rigid sapphire
or SB
open verge
Shb was incredibly smooth
soft gyro
When you're crashing every 3 seconds because of server congestion
sounds like a you problem
open verge
There was no memes it was just an extremely smooth launch
rigid sapphire
you're not wrong, but historically there hasnt been many issues
cinder badger
It got a lot better in shadowbringers because of layering
soft gyro
raubauhn savage
open verge
Rauhbann and pippin ex
rigid sapphire
OH YEAH forgot about raubahn
rigid sapphire
but even then you could stil lplay the game, level the new jobs, your MSQ was just stuck
subtle pasture
oh yeah, other highlight of the END teaser:
open verge
Really?
subtle pasture
RDM weapon in full render glory 
cinder badger
Layering helped a bit, having 3 instances of the same zone so it wasn't overpacked
open verge
I never level new jobs early in expansions
rigid sapphire
I dont usually but I might for sage
soft gyro
i level my main job first, then my secondary
rigid sapphire
I already know I'll be maining heals for endwalker
soft gyro
also, you would need to level up sage to 80 first
open verge
Maybe I’ll play the new melee job
cinder badger
I'll try out Sage but I'm not going to jump on it day one because I'm not even a Healer Main
soft gyro
and also you have to gear it up
rigid sapphire
my healers are already geared
chilly plover
new melee job?
rigid sapphire
so my sage would be auto geared
woven escarp
🤔
soft gyro
weapon?
open verge
Yes the second job is melee
vernal haven
see i was thinking about playing the new melee job but then i started levelling something and saw a world of darkness wipe so now im thinking of maining alcoholism instead
woven escarp
I still need to get some end-tier level 80 gear 😔
chilly plover
source?
soft gyro
also, it would still take time to get to lvl80
cinder badger
@chilly plover We shouldn't talk about the new melee job. Because then the arguments never end
chilly plover
oh is that the livestream
cinder badger
The Showcase
rigid sapphire
@soft gyro yes. I saw plenty of people level GNB and DNC at the start of the expansion release and were only hitting 80 a day or 2 behind most people
soft gyro
sounds like they were hard grinding dungeons
cinder badger
They told us exactly what roles we are getting this time so that way people aren't creating crazy stories that we're getting X role because they promised
cinder badger
Just like in shadowbringers when everybody was 100% sure that we were getting a Healer
woven escarp
also because people would be crying endlessly if sage wasn't a healer
soft gyro
i know you could, but you still have to do it.
woven escarp
there were people threatening to cut their dicks off if SE didn't announce a healer for 6.0
chilly plover
wow
soft gyro
@chilly plover https://youtu.be/FJLNV5cYN_U
cinder badger
Then we got no healer and yoshi-p is all " we never said we were giving you Healer"
chilly plover
that's a bit much
rigid sapphire
Yes you need to level 70-80 before you can start into the new expansion with the new job.... butif you want to MAIN the new job then why not. it'll take less time than taking 1 character from 80-90, THEN doing sage 70-90
soft gyro
there were people threatening to cut their dicks off if SE didn't announce a hea...
i can also cut off my dick if they don't announce an another caster
woven escarp
that's because people convinced themselves dnc was going to be a healer
woven escarp
honestly, say goodbye to your balls I guess because casters are full
chilly plover
lmao dnc heals
cinder badger
Dancer as a Healer was the stupidest Theory I've ever heard
rigid sapphire
New job is melee. shares maining gear. uses a scythe
woven escarp
we suspect it uses a scythe
rigid sapphire
literally ran'jit when he joins with his snake thing
soft gyro
inb4 its an another gear set
rigid sapphire
most liely
next quarry
We don't know about the weapon
thin crypt
cinder badger
You know what I think the melee job is just blue Mage being reworked how's that for crazy Theory
digital forge
if only they didn't repeatedly say BLU wouldn't be a non-limited ever
cinder badger
@digital forge If Only They didn't repeatedly say that they wouldn't make new races
rigid sapphire
I only just got into blu recently. did 1-60 last week, got 50 spells.
subtle pasture
,...there's too many negatives in that statement
rigid sapphire
there's NO WAY that can be made into a normal job
cinder badger
But people still complain about wanting new races or male female variants of the current new ones
gaunt star
Well you could buy out of pride they won’t
patent axle
Yeah but blu is a whole different thing
there's NO way to make it work in normal content
woven escarp
🤔
cinder badger
There's nothing different about it it's something they said wasn't going to happen and yet people continue to talk like it's going to happen
woven escarp
it's basically worse blm
patent axle
Without removing what makes it fun
rigid sapphire
blu doesnt function in any way that would work with th existing classes in normal progression content
gaunt star
There is, but it would piss off the hardcore blue mage fanboys
soft gyro
"Since there is oxygen on the moon, there won't be troublesome elements like suffocation gauge or death when you exit the area"
rigid sapphire
it would have to be gutted and rewored so much it wouldnt be the same job
gaunt star
Good
woven escarp
the only things that make it fun are the meme spells like doom or launcher
gaunt star
Do it
patent axle
There is, but it would piss off the hardcore blue mage fanboys
Because it would be shit
It's like that
cinder badger
I was just making a point that there's no point at all in complaining about certain features in the game that they've already taken a stance on
patent axle
it's not a matter of hardcore blue mage fanboy
cinder badger
After 2 years
rigid sapphire
I love seeing what I can solo synced as a blu
gaunt star
Nah it’s literally that
rigid sapphire
its fun
patent axle
you can't make blue mage in normal content without removing what makes of it a unique class
That would suck all the fun out of it
soft gyro
make blu mage a not blu mage
cinder badger
It's been 2 years and people still are screaming at the devs "give me bunboy"
gaunt star
All other jobs have been reworked to fit into FFXIV’s rigidness blue mage didn’t need to be the exception
patent axle
make blu mage a not blu mage
Basically what would happen lol
tardy elm
Who’s bun boy
cinder badger
@tardy elm male viera
patent axle
All other jobs have been reworked to fit into FFXIV’s rigidness blue mage didn’t...
Because other jobs could be reworked for that
gaunt star
I’m absolutely ecstatic that we’re not getting another limited job though
patent axle
Blue Mage literally can't
gaunt star
Lord knows if he announces the new melee is limited he’ll have a shitstorm the size of male Viera times 10
patent axle
If you rework blue mage to bring it in normal content, it stops being a blue mage
gaunt star
Awesome
patent axle
So there's no reason to do that
gaunt star
All other jobs have gone through it, blue ain’t special
soft gyro
if blu mage would be a real job, it would only have like 20 spells
patent axle
Bruh
gaunt star
Nice 👍
patent axle
The entire concept of blue mage is learning spells from enemies
vernal haven
or just keep everything and be a limited job
gaunt star
I sure love having only 4 weapons on blue mage
digital forge
2 years of BLU and we still have 3 arguments about this
patent axle
2 years of BLU and we still have 3 arguments about this
¯_(ツ)_/¯
gaunt star
Wait two more then we’ll have 6!!
patent axle
The day people will learn that it can't work as a normal job
gaunt star
The day people will learn summoner can’t work as a normal job
gaunt star
So is blue mage
patent axle
Where's my XI summoner
patent axle
So is blue mage
No because they kept the concept intact
soft gyro
summoner still kept being a summoner
gaunt star
There hasn’t been a game where chicken nugget summons were summoner’s concept
royal spruce
Yoshi-p doesn't like the pet system right
gaunt star
It’s based off wow warlock
rigid sapphire
phoenix really helped the feel of SMN a lot
gaunt star
Let’s see if they finally cut the cord with that in Ew
gaunt star
YES
soft gyro
b-b-b-but balance!
royal spruce
Remember when they had glamour's for the pets back in the three-point x-series almost like they were going to add more
vernal haven
which also have a summoned pet
gaunt star
Omg I need a safe space they’re gonna wreck the balance!!
rigid sapphire
demonology doesnt exist, because blizz cant do balance
vernal haven
you bongo drum
gaunt star
Demonology warlock is more fun than pre SB summoner
Actual summons
Gee, what a concept
rigid sapphire
/bahamutsize large
vernal haven
summoner levelling is kinda depressing
rigid sapphire
now you have a bigger pet
vernal haven
i do enjoy summoner at max level though
rigid sapphire
keyboard DDR
digital forge
anyways yes BLU is never gonna be a non-limited because it's not built for that and the stance is repeatedly "we won't do it, we feel it won't be the core of BLU" otherwise
so go yell at the devs alongside male viera
patent axle
^
gaunt star
Like I said, it’s a matter of pride for them
digital forge
and watch them say "no" again
rigid sapphire
I DO except some more big changes to SMN in 6.0
gaunt star
They do not admit when they mess things up it’s been like this for years
rigid sapphire
they said they were on the right track with it but not quite there yet
vernal haven
yeah i agree with that
soft gyro
no ultimates
patent axle
Reminder that they didn't even want to make the job at all in the begining
gaunt star
Watching raiders lose their shit over losing ultimate was hilarious
patent axle
Because it couldn't work in the game
vernal haven
ngl they should have gone with that kiyo
digital forge
lmao
patent axle
I agree tbh
gaunt star
Island>ultimate
vernal haven
they started the moan train
ashen coral
Same with Viera
digital forge
then we would've had "BLU WOULD BE PERFECT FOR THE GAME CMON SE"
devs will never win
vernal haven
i dont even have any grievances with blu itself, i just don't want to hear about it anymore
ashen coral
They didn't want to do it but people just wouldn't shut up
patent axle
Watching raiders lose their shit over losing ultimate was hilarious
Watching you lose your shit over blu not being avaible as a normal job is hilarious
gaunt star
I’m also super excited to see everyone lose their minds over Viera/Hrothgar again
Blender is free
ashen coral
Sometimes, they just have to learn to say "no" and stick with it.
patent axle
I’m also super excited to see you lose your mind over blu as a limited job again
gaunt star
Sometimes, they just have to learn to say "no" and *stick with it.*
Imagine if they did this with 2B’s ass
forest magnet
and that's how you get modders
digital forge
are we in the realms of "imagine hypotheticals of things that have already happened"
patent axle
A no would have not been enough tho
vernal haven
people not shuttung up doesnt change
vernal haven
sometimes you have to show people that something doesnt work for them to get it
gaunt star
I love being queen of idiots 💅🏻
vernal haven
unfortunately they still don't get it
soft gyro
yeah, imagine destroying what blu already has been added to.
gaunt star
I would love to do that
soft gyro
so much content
gaunt star
team meteor
rigid sapphire
the absolute ANGER over the lack of male bunnies and female hrothgar is hilarious to me
these people have no clue what they would look like, what the animations would be like
soft gyro
they got two races instead of 1
gaunt star
Well he did dance around the question instead of giving a straight answer
gaunt star
Yeah and both of them are trash
vernal haven
rigid sapphire
they could end up totally different than they expect.... then what
tardy elm
Should make a Purple Mage and input as normal job
digital forge
these people have no clue what they would look like, what the animations would b...
the only thing we have is some male viera concept art and that's it
gaunt star
We already know what male Viera look like because of HV concept art
digital forge
(original female au ra never forgetti)
gaunt star
That’s why they were so attached
Hrothgar came out of left field for everybody though
rigid sapphire
@digital forge We also have Kimari in FFX and what we got for hrothgar barely resembles him at all
digital forge
ye true
i mean in the end people want things and sometimes we won't get them
oh well
gaunt star
Kimari at the store vs discount Kimari at home
radiant pollen
hroth would look so much better if they didn't have that quasimodo back
digital forge
i'll level BLU to 70 soon enough and get the new spells
patent axle
People want male Vieras to be twinks 
rigid sapphire
oh yeah, WANTING something is fine. being angry that they don't give it to you is just childish and dumb
gaunt star
The Quasimodo back symbolizes their class struggle as hatless
patent axle
According to the concept arts male and female vieras have a very similar height
vernal haven
im angry that they still haven't given me a reason to live
like come on se
what are you doing
patent axle
jage
gaunt star
I’m angry this game hasn’t fully transitioned into animal crossing yet
vernal haven
actually same tbh
rigid sapphire
islands are step 1
woven escarp
"hi I'm dumb bitchjuice from balmung, when can we play as the cute smol bunboys I've been dreaming about?"
patent axle
Islands will finally give another thing to do to limsa catgirls
woven escarp
digital forge
legit excited for islands tho
patent axle
they will finally leave the benches and give limsa back to normal people
unique verge
Finally content that matches the difficulty they're seeking
As soon as i saw the Island adventures
My instant reaction to my FC was
"Holy fuck the meme is real again. I can tell shitters to fuck off to Hello Kitty Island Adventure"
digital forge
what actually happens: midcore people fuck off there after finishing prog
woven escarp
my only question is whether this will finally resolve the housing issue
is island adventure a fully instanced furniture dump?
rigid sapphire
somewhere in my closet i have a physical copy of hello kitty island adventure
sealed
unique verge
A collectors item, to be certain
woven escarp
I just want a place to put my outdoor furniture REEEE
gaunt star
Hahahaha no
tardy elm
Now I want to play Hello Kitty Island 💡
rigid sapphire
I think it was a free giveaway at PAX
gaunt star
It’ll be fc/ward system
woven escarp
yeah, that sounds like yoshi-p to me
gaunt star
But I have a house already so I don’t care at all at this point
unique verge
There's no way the islands are gonna be FC/ward
gaunt star
Oh trust me they’ll find a way
woven escarp
"we don't want players to be competitive so we're not going to allow dps parsing"
"but we really like how competitive players get hunting for housing so we're going to leave that alone"
unique verge
Housing districts are because its fucking spaghetti code that's been ingrained so deep that if they pull it out we might have another moon fucking plummet into the source
woven escarp
as far as I know they just reused the market ward code from 1.0 for housing
cinder badger
@rigid sapphire what's wrong with luminous
vernal haven
ff16 is actually a replacement mmo, yoship baited us all
vernal haven
unironically coded by chimps
rigid sapphire
<@184368817156128769> what's wrong with luminous
that's a very very long list
vernal haven
they just went around a zoo handing out laptops with scratch on it and 1.0 came out
cinder badger
@rigid sapphire it's not nearly as bad as Crystal
rigid sapphire
but in the modern gaming world....
unique verge
Nothing is as bad as Crystal so
rigid sapphire
its bad
gaunt star
1.0 legacy servers when!!
digital forge
1.0 legacy servers when!!
NIGHTMARE
patent axle
NIGHTMARE
cinder badger
@rigid sapphire but now you wanted to be a new tech and for people who currently play who might not be able to afford to buy the most cutting-edge technology to not be able to play anymore.
Everything has to be new all the time
digital forge
Another of the few definitive "no" answers
rigid sapphire
We cant even use combat macros without risking spell fuckups and clipping
that's rough
digital forge
That's coded in by design lol
patent axle
We cant even use combat macros without risking spell fuckups and clipping
I can't even use spells with an intervale under 1 second
digital forge
Genuinely, you can remove the macro stuff, it's a design choice to make them that clunky
vernal haven
you talk about wanting new tech being a bad thing because people on old hardware can't run it but
settings menu's are a thing
patent axle
you talk about wanting new tech being a bad thing because people on old hardware...
Then they just have to upgrade their hardware
it's like that
Can't run games anymore, upgrade your machine
vernal haven
i mean
if you cant run things on 1080p low then yeah
its probably time to throw some stuff out
digital forge
part of it is "MMOs are meant to capture a wide audience"
so low-end requirements are a larger concern than usual in game dev
rigid sapphire
and that's why WoW on the lowest settings looks like minecraft
patent axle
WoW on the lowest setting looks like SHIT
unique verge
The problem is the idiots who are like "Oh, i want to do a build to play this game. Let me build literally the lowest specs possible that will boot the game
rigid sapphire
You can have a new game on new tech with a new high efficiency engine.... and have low end options
mighty pelican
Does anyone think we'll finally go to Ishgard?
unique verge
.....
ashen coral
...?
patent axle
Does anyone think we'll finally go to Ishgard?
funny meme bro
unique verge
This is low quality troll
digital forge
gg
patent axle
Just finish ARR 4head
vernal haven
You can have a new game on new tech with a new high efficiency engine.... and ha...
This tbh
people just get upset when they can't press the highest button
kind lark
Does anyone think we'll finally go to Ishgard?
Yeah it'll happen soon
patent axle
Yeah it'll happen soon
Nah, they said it won't happen before 9.4
mighty pelican
Sorry! Not Ishgard, the other one that starts with an I
unique verge
Islabard? Yes. Its literally the continent that Garlemald is on, which we are going to.
kind lark
The second city for endwalker?
vernal haven
we get to meet gaius' parents for tea
unique verge
Aint gonna be a rest of the country left by then.
vernal haven
:)
twilit rover
Is pandemonium the higher tier than savage? O:
unique verge
Garlemald is gonna be a smoking husk
empty moss
i wanna cosplay as ashe in dalmasca
i want that skirt/shorts outfit
mighty pelican
Yes it was that name, it was either that or the Isle of Val
rigid sapphire
@twilit rover pandemonium is the name of the 24 man raid
kind lark
P13 ULT
unique verge
<@!127583817526411264> pandemonium is the name of the 24 man raid
No....
steep cobalt
no it's 8 man raid
serene crest
Nah Pandaemonium is the name of the whole raid tier.
twilit rover
Oh
unique verge
Pandaemonium is the 8 man
patent axle
i want that skirt/shorts outfit
I don't even know if her outfit is in
ashen coral
Nah it's the 8 man
subtle pasture
Pandaemonium is the 8man, the 24man is unnamed
rigid sapphire
right