I'm honestly hoping for Birth of a Wish
#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
floral aurora
heady shadow
i am scared that the round thing is a seed of ressurection/bone casket
untold gull
nier is gonna have several playthrough and you know it
soft gyro
final boss music be like "yeah lets add some classic FF prelude piano in the middle of the song"
primal sundial
The final boss theme for Copied Factory is great
untold gull
i don't think prelude is in the bunker boss
primal sundial
It’s basically a more hyped up Weight of the World
untold gull
iirc, the bunker boss has the dark colossus destroys all, grandma (destruction) and another one, i forgot
oh wait, i see
that's why it sucks. they have torn from the heavens in there
primal sundial
u suck
untold gull
thanks, you too
heady shadow
but ye drakengard 1 monster gonna come out of that egg
only it'll be the white lalafel
untold gull
giant flying babies
heady shadow
and not furiae
rugged sorrel
i'm gonna cry if we don't get to see something about bevelle in endwalker
heady shadow
different monster
rugged sorrel
anima is in it, so i'm begging to god that bevelle will be there or we get to fight seymour as a raid or something
heady shadow
would be nice to kill him a thenth time
rugged sorrel
how many times do you even fight seymour
once in guado, once on mountain, once after whale sin fight
so 3?
untold gull
isn't some theories that it's yotsuyu?
heady shadow
uh lemme look
rugged sorrel
we don't have the stone of Azem or whatever anymore
untold gull
well i mean, so is seymour's mom
rugged sorrel
so we can't call people anymore
untold gull
says who, we have it
rugged sorrel
the implication of seymour's mom being dead and him still being able to summon anima in 14 has a lot of implications, specifically that the dead (that being aether that has gone back into the natural cycle of life) still holds soul memories and can thusly be reanimated perfectly
and manipulated
untold gull
they spent time actually showing that we still have it and it fell and we have to pick it up because our WoL, with their infinite pockets, can't keep a single stone in there
rugged sorrel
goddamnit i forgot about the last patch's story update
heady shadow
well considering seymours moms soul was used as the final aeon(anima) to kill sin
yes
heady shadow
goddamnit i forgot about the last patch's story update
its like at the very end of 5.0
rugged sorrel
the only
ONLY
reason i would see that working is if they added necromancer as the melee class
because that would be an opportunity to give an explanation
wouldn't that be a trip though
a melee pet class
rugged sorrel
i know
it's basically corrupted white magic
not elemental magic, white magic
i'm personally rooting for geomancer and we get bells or a hammer
or like, spirit tags
geomancy is mentioned MANY times in the game
untold gull
honestly, it makes me wonder about the nature of the lifestream. i mean, seems like the common consensus so far is that if you're dead, you're just another soul in the lifestream. but don't forget that Y'shtola, in all her plot armour's glory, got pulled out of it twice
rugged sorrel
personal theory about it:
you only die because your aetheric bond to your body weakens over time, making it lose it's ability to keep reproducing cells
untold gull
i forgot what matoya said about it when we were looking for a way to pull her out
vagrant sinew
y'shtola's kinda the mascot of the game you can't just kill her suddenly like that ¯_(ツ)_/¯
rugged sorrel
and when you die your aether's connection becomes so weak that it can't maintain it's form and dissipates
y'shtola was still very lively, and her strong aether maintained most of its cohesion in the stream
untold gull
oh, that's true 
rugged sorrel
deaths caused by disease and injury are things that affect the body, a physical manifestation of soul/aether's form, and what you do to a body/aether affects its counterpart
rugged sorrel
so getting sick not only affects your body but the attachment you have to your aether
rugged sorrel
the dark knight quests also lead me to believe that because most individuals are not naturally attuned to sensing aether that a change in the average person's aether will likely go unnoticed until something drastic occurs
untold gull
i'm afraid to ask more about that since i just got to 50 on my drk
rugged sorrel
it becomes relevant in your 50 to 60s questline for drk
balmy mesa
it really bugs me for some reason that we have 3 inventory tabs' worth of key items... why??
rugged sorrel
to accomdate having a lot of missions active in your journal
and many missions can have multiple key items
balmy mesa
but surely not everyone's going to have that many key-item quests open?
rugged sorrel
you'd think
untold gull
to accomdate having a lot of missions active in your journal
assuming they actually let us have that many
rugged sorrel
i know at one point i had a lot of blue missions active and had almost an entire page full of key items from beast tribe stuff
balmy mesa
page, or tab?
rugged sorrel
idk what the difference is for you
balmy mesa
1 tab:
rugged sorrel
i don't have that many for key items wtf
i only have one page
you telling me you have 6 pages?
untold gull
yeah, can't we just have one of that as normal inventory?
balmy mesa
yeah exactly!
untold gull
i have like one tab full of dyes and they ain't getting removed 
balmy mesa
one of my retainers has all my dyes
then I have all my fishing bait in my chocobo saddlebag
untold gull
wait...that's a good idea
balmy mesa
really need to hurry up and get all classes to 80 so that I can finally clean up my inventory in time for EW
quick owl
Sooo
In FFII.
You go to Pandemonium where you fight the Emperor, who was such an evil guy that upon dying, he immediately took over Hell and returned to the world of the living to continue his conquest.
So presumably at the end of Endwalker we'll kill Zenos once and for all...
See where I'm going with this?
vagrant sinew
didn't they say pandaemonium is gonna be an original raid series?
balmy mesa
might need a can of Raid to get rid of Zenos once and for all tho
vagrant sinew
no references from other games?
somber storm
Well....
quick owl
That's not a direct reference to the game, just a plot element.
balmy mesa
yeah, it'll be original in the sense that it's not a crossover from another game, but it'll definitely draw inspiration from other FF games
rugged sorrel
tldr, zenos has been set up to be the champion of zodiark in the same way we are the champion of hydaelyn
somber storm
It'll be original with a lot of callbacks
quick owl
And I mean
rugged sorrel
so him not dying properly would make sense since zodiark isn't supposed to be natural
balmy mesa
now
quick owl
I find the idea of Zenos taking over Hells a lot more believable than that arrogant prick Mateus.
rugged sorrel
we haven't been given the entire story about what caused the original star to become so bad the convocation NEEDED to summon zodiark though, so we're kinda waiting on more info
balmy mesa
I wonder if Anima will be the level 80 trial, or one of the milestone ones
balmy mesa
oh
heady shadow
just like titania
quick owl
Seymours mom was just a big a sociopath as Seymour himself.
heady shadow
they always show the level x3 trial first
rugged sorrel
supposedly zodiark was the attempt to fix the world, and hydaelyn was a response by insurgents because they realized zodiark would need to kill off a solid 90% of the population in order to have the power to properly fix everything, with no guarantee that it would succeed
somber storm
Thavnair Seymour
heady shadow
then they'll show 87, 89
balmy mesa
mid-battle Oblivion, please look forward to it
quick owl
"Hurr hurr, I'mma leave, a helpless child who already faces a shitload of discrimination all alone and motherless so you can be stronk!"
rugged sorrel
remember, we aren't being given narrative by some trustworthy source, we've only been given information by the ascians, people with an agenda who want to convince you they're right
heady shadow
lvl 80 will be secret till you get there
quick owl
Dumb bitch.
heady shadow
unless it gets thrown on the web
quick owl
Glad she offed herself, she probably would have fucked his mind up with sociopathy anyway.
balmy mesa
though it's interesting (but not wholly unexpected) that Lahabrea is getting a bit more background
mad scientist
rugged sorrel
hopefully we'll be given more true ascian names
so far i think we only have 4
hades, gaia, artemis
and uhhhhhhh
well
i say true names
it's more to do with the seats of the convocation
balmy mesa
3 so far
rugged sorrel
it's still weird to think about the fact that the wol is an ascian that has been split into 7 pieces, one of which you play as and is super strong
dim sigil
I like to think that there'd be line from like fandan or somthing saying we only really heard/saw amarout thro emets nostalgic eyes
balmy mesa
can't remember if Elidibius got a name
rugged sorrel
like, there is speculation y'shtola goes to the past at some point and/or was originally an ascian
obsidian pagoda
Nah Eli's name hasn't been said yet
rugged sorrel
but wol is confirmed for being a split ascian
dim sigil
Not quite
rugged sorrel
can you fucking imagine how powerful the wol would be if they were whole
dim sigil
Ascians are those under zodiark
rugged sorrel
nono
dim sigil
We were an ancient
dim sigil
Yeah
rugged sorrel
we just associate them with zodiark because ascians summoned him
ascians ALSO (supposedly) created hydaelyn
rugged sorrel
and when the shard was split because of hydaelyn's unique power to divide strength colliding with zodiark, many ascians had their powers split into pieces as well
vagrant sinew
yeah I think it's just a name
dim sigil
Azem yeah
vagrant sinew
the ancients created zodiark and hydaelyn yeah
rugged sorrel
that includes the wol, who after taking the seat of Azem in the WOL fight confirms he has to be an ascian
the ancients weren't the first
vagrant sinew
wut
rugged sorrel
ascians were the prime race, they came before everyone else (even if they aren't called ascians at the time)
dim sigil
We haven't risen to the seat or rose up azem as acains exactly but i wouldn't be surpsied if we did later on
rugged sorrel
ancients were the people that developed on the source after the split, they fell from power, then the allagans rose, then several hundreds of years later we come along
obsidian pagoda
Ascian is like the factions of those who want to bring Zodiark back. Venat's faction so far has no name yet. So everyone was an Ancient but now they call themselves Ascians to differentiate
rugged sorrel
no we have risen to the seat, even if it was only temporary
inner kite
Ascians are those under Zodiark sorry it's confirmed by devs
rugged sorrel
azem is the only one capable of summoning allies across dimensions
dim sigil
What if hyldean is the Telephone peoples
rugged sorrel
which we summon emett's aether and because he's the only one capable of raising the dead in the series (truly raising them) he summons us back in the wol fight
rugged sorrel
cause strictly speaking the wol and the seven other wol from other worlds all die in the dimension they're sent to
turbid aspen
looks at the hades fight
obsidian pagoda
The Crystal Tower is the one that summons a whole bunch of people
rugged sorrel
g'raha tia has a very particular instance where he's able to do it due to his connection to the crystal tower and the augmentation it underwent because of the time and space primal Alexander's involvement
obsidian pagoda
Without the CT neither us or Eli would've been able to summon all those heroes
vagrant sinew
there's also heroes' gauntlet
ohh
right
CT is basically energy storage or w/e it was
I forgot about that part
turbid aspen
its a giant battery yeah
obsidian pagoda
Yeah Eli got G'raha's crystal that has his blood on it, that's why he could tap into the CT power
rugged sorrel
Seat of azem is capable of summoning allies across dimensions without CT, ct just acted as a mega fuckmassive battery to give us the power we needed to summon emett, who, again, has the power to raise the dead
obsidian pagoda
Wait where was this Azem power mentioned?
rugged sorrel
we die in the ascian dimension, but because we summon emett before we die, he brings us back
it's in the Wol fight
inner kite
That's just speculation at this point
vagrant sinew
wait do we actually DIE in there?
vagrant sinew
vagrant sinew
I thought emet just brought us back from the ascian dimension
rugged sorrel
emett can bring the dead back to life and to his location no matter WHERE he is
vagrant sinew
and not like
REVIVED us
rugged sorrel
no
he's been seen reviving the dead and manipulating aether on multiple occasions
he's the only one who can do it
vagrant sinew
yeah I know that but I legit never even thought that we may have actually died and been brought back to life in SoS
inner kite
Are you sure you're not mixing lore with fanfiction
rugged sorrel
gimme a minute
obsidian pagoda
He meant to trap us there, but Emet sent us back to the First
vagrant sinew
yeah
rugged sorrel
it's gonna be longer than a minute i'm rewatching cutscenes to fact check myself
vagrant sinew
we broke out of the chains
rugged sorrel
i'm positive he can raise the dead
vagrant sinew
emet brought us back out of the dimension
obsidian pagoda
untold gull
regarding azem's power, iirc, hythlodaeus explained it when he gave us the crystal
obsidian pagoda
Hythlo just said that Azem prefers to solve problems with his comrades that he finds when he travels (instead of consulting the Convocation)
I don't remember him saying we can summon anyone or anything of the sort 
dim sigil
Summoning wols was the crystal tower
inner kite
Azem used to summon their friends, but wol doesnt have that power
dim sigil
It was the whole thing edlibus attacked gr ha for in 5.3
untold gull
elidibus didn't recognize the power as something that came from hydaelyn
he recognized that it's something far older
obsidian pagoda
It was the whole thing edlibus attacked gr ha for in 5.3
Yes that's why he stole the memory crystal
rugged sorrel
fellas just because someone has mentor status don't trust everything they say
not shifting blame because i didn't fact check originally but i was told quite a few things that were just speculation by an old fc member
feels bad, now i look like a moron
untold gull
found it
untold gull
yeeeeeeees
obsidian pagoda
somber storm
Oh yeah, forgot that Azem is a she if you have a female character
untold gull
god, i love how hythlodaeus exists for exposition
ya
i just wished he's an npc we can talk to outside of cutscenes
obsidian pagoda
I remember the first part but not the second half. So Azem can call other people to them
but since we're all sundered and that stone isn't even a complete memory stone I presume that's why we needed Emet's help to get out of the twilight zone
inner kite
And with azem's crystal and enough aether wol can do the same
untold gull
azem is so much like WoL. he created magic that essentially works like a duty finder 
obsidian pagoda
Yeah so it's like WoL + Azem stone + CT and boom we're back into the fight
untold gull
i'm still at odds with the CT bit just because with elidibus, he had g'raha's crystal which is by all means connected to the tower since it is part of the tower. but azem's magic....eh
obsidian pagoda
There's an aether-powered linkpearl somewhere that pings people whenever Azem has a job 
inner kite
Wol can't control CT
untold gull
but again, they can always clarify that power later on
inner kite
It's was purely azem's crystal + emet's aether
obsidian pagoda
Could Emet potentially tap in? He did have a hand in Allag
untold gull
well, emet created the crystal
dim sigil
I think the poem by emet implies it was really him there?
obsidian pagoda
ember forum
Are there any faster alternatives than doing hw and sb alliance so many times?
For relic
untold gull
no
kindred rampart
Emet finally getting his rest
WoL in need of assistance: https://tenor.com/view/tanisha-thomas-wake-up-get-your-ass-up-i-didnt-get-no-sleep-i-didnt-get-no-sleep-cause-of-yall-gif-7388228
untold gull
that's the fast route
dim sigil
Fates if your lucky
untold gull
oh, fates are available for that step?
ember forum
Omg how am I gonna run so many uhh
dim sigil
Yes but like
untold gull
i thought it'd just be raid or bozja
dim sigil
%5 drop rate
dim sigil
You also don't
Get any upgrades for this step
And this step never has to be done again either for other wepons
untold gull
yeah, but there's also the delubrum step
ember forum
Well I love delubrum, I can run it 15 times, I already ran it 31 times
dim sigil
Dr isnt as bad as the day 1 choas was
night talon
Miss me with the bullshit of having to grind out castrum and mettle
ember forum
I need to get that hair from it anyway its good
untold gull
it doesn't take long to grind mettle to rank 10
night talon
Itll die eventually and itll go back to being impossible to clear
untold gull
rank 10 is when the grind gets real anyway
ember forum
I finally got to rabk 15 yesterday lvling rdm in bozjan
Ibgot rdm from 71 to 80 in less than 6 hours yesterday xs
dim sigil
Beimga que whenever you wish and run muti times for relic does make it better then castum alreadly
ember forum
And I even made 3-4 loathsome from CE
untold gull
you're lucky
ember forum
I need 6 more
untold gull
some gets less in a couple hours
ember forum
Hopefully they increase drop rates
How am I gonna do ivalice and mach later on when alliances are dead
There's always long queue for hw raid and ivalice, this is exception now cause everyone is farming
untold gull
it's never gonna die
ember forum
Whqt happens when not many has to farm anymore, queues are gonna get longer qnd you're forced ti run itvim not sure if its 15 or 18 times
dim sigil
18 times
Given its alliance raids itll always be doable just not as quickly
Prob since people who are actually care are farming them now but these raids melt now comapred to usual df
untold gull
well, right now, ivalice raids are required for bozja. CT is required for ShB, and seeing that there's a high chance of 6.0 having a slight relation to Void Ark (i still call for it being close to mhachi tech), there's a chance it might be required too 
ember forum
Yeah true, good thing they can be done in 30 min or less even
Hw not sure about ivalice
untold gull
eitherway, the hw and sb raids aren't necessary for later weapons as everyone who told me said it isn't
rabanastre is fast enough
i don't trust people to math in lighthouse and even nerfed, i really don't trust people to punch through orbonne
ember forum
Btw I don't understqnd, it's confusing ppl keep mentioning both, but do I have to run 18 hw raids and 18 sb raids separately
?
dim sigil
18 from each
night talon
God I miss the anima steps
untold gull
afaik, the step with the hw raid and sb raid are only done once
ngl, i'm still stuck in syrcus 
ember forum
Oh really?
dim sigil
untold gull
oh
ember forum
Yikes yeah 2nd step definitely sounds like hell
dim sigil
2nd step is a one time thing never have to do it agian
ember forum
Well, great it's only required once
untold gull
man, if they had it 100% drop rate - hell, even 50% drop rate in fates, i'd be on that real quick. anything to get me back to othard tbh
dim sigil
Wouldnt hurt if they dropped slightly higher
ember forum
I really want to get this relic done, but I don't feel like it XD I only recently grinded both drk anima lux and whm zeta
Now running this all 😫
Too much...
ember forum
No, I didn't really do DR for 2 days now, was working on lvling rdm and relic
ember forum
But I have total of 31 run rn hah
radiant pollen
guess what I got
ember forum
Hair?
radiant pollen
that's the way to go about it, at least then you feel some progress
ember forum
If I didnt get the hair in 31 runs then I never will
ember forum
Haha hopefully cause I see a lot of ppl with it at least on louisouix, I don't understand how it drops for everyone, but me...? Is my luck really that bad🤔
radiant pollen
a lot of it on omega now, the price dropped to 15mil
ember forum
I was right when I said I'd get 50 DR clear achievement sooner than hair, yeah its 15m here as well
radiant pollen
still got 19 runs, maybe one of them is the lucky one
i wish we got at least a title for the 50 DR clear, but we only get disappointment
unique verge
Imagine getting the hair and not immediatley selling it
radiant pollen
at this point I'll take anything, even the barding for 700k
just no more coins pls
ember forum
Tbh I got barding early on, somewhere on first 10 runs
radiant pollen
ok you're way luckier than me at this point
ember forum
Maybe thats where all my luck was spent on
Damned barding
Well, I'm gonna go run some ivalice and mach today , cause I'm just starting 2nd step and I want to cry
radiant pollen
definitely the worst step of the whole thing
thankfully you don't have to do it again
ember forum
Yeah, so i guess I need to total of 36 runs from those raids?
18 sb and 18 hw
And I thought animus books were bad
I mean they still kinda are, since this is done only once and animus books every single tine
untold gull
If you have classes to level up, it helps to change the pace
vagrant sinew
anywhere in gyr abania and far east
tight shale
radiant pollen
wherever you have aether currents
rough kestrel
Man I'm really tired of hearing Hrothgar/viera debates
We already have catboys
Shut the fuck about bunny boys
ember forum
Alright
rough kestrel
I imagine we arent getting any new races at all
ember forum
Aliens
obsidian pagoda
I need them to fix my hats first pls
rough kestrel
I'd like Garlean but it'll never make sense narratively until post all of this.
vagrant sinew
they're not even gonna be bunny boys if we do get bunny males
they're gonna be bunny MEN
unique verge
Garlean? Which ones? They're all dead soon.
humble rain
All I want is Blitzball 
obsidian pagoda
Yoshi trying so hard not to spill beans on the GS update
untold gull
i don't understand the viera one tbh - why can't they just make their ears clip through the hats?
humble rain
And we can recruit Zenos on our Blitzball team
rough kestrel
The way they talked about Mahjong made me think it'll be another gambling game you'd use an engine for
obsidian pagoda
But like we have Anima and a place that looks like Besaid and Kilika had a child so YES TO BLITZBALL pls
untold gull
hrothgar, i understood because it's a different size head but viera...
raven shadow
I wouldn't mind some blitzball pvp.
humble rain
@obsidian pagoda we are only missing Wakka as our Ballmaster Job
obsidian pagoda
Either Blitzball PVP or even a Blitzball manager kinda game, as long as it's Blitzball lol
humble rain
Indeed
humble rain
I want an 8v8 Blitzball tournament
untold gull
inb4 Yuna the summoner is there for the magic ranged dps role quest
obsidian pagoda
untold gull
rough kestrel
"Al bhed..."
obsidian pagoda
auron for phys melee
You're 1 xpac late for that
untold gull
humble rain
Garlemald gets blown up
Wakka:"Happy festival fireworks"
rough kestrel
The level 80 SAM AF gear is basically Auron inspired
Though I wish it had proper boots instead of Sandals
obsidian pagoda
I just need the one arm coming out of its sleeve animation to be in the game
rough kestrel
untold gull
i dunno why i thought you said 90 
rough kestrel
Oh yeah I saw that art
Looks like Eastern Chinese Samurai stuff
like something from Genshin impact
I already fucking hate it
untold gull
no, it's like a general in a samurai army
humble rain
Auron will be too OP. He can single handedly defeat Zenos
rough kestrel
@obsidian pagoda They gave GNB stance to a SAM for the outfit art.
humble rain
This meme is too good
untold gull
<@!108847493491527680> They gave GNB stance to a SAM for the outfit art.
why is the original smaller than the discord pic wtf
livid vault
https://tenor.com/view/ffx-auron-final-fantasy-ready-to-attack-gif-12007987
This would be awesome 
untold gull
also, i have that and i really hate it. it's an amazing outfit, but it just didn't fit well with my character. mnk worked much better tho
rough kestrel
I wish they'd just delete monk, so SAM wouldn't have to suffer with capeless Judge armor
It feels real bad
rough kestrel
I ticked one box to turn the cape back on for Striking, but it only shows in my game, but I'll take it.
humble rain
Is anyone else hoping that 7.0 will be like an updated FF14? Especially by the time it gets released almost everyone would have moved to the next gen consoles. Like update the graphics a bit, make better character customisation etc
somber storm
Cross stances for classes when?
rough kestrel
My theory for awhile has been that since the story is over in 6.0
7.0 will be a good time for a visual overhaul
Which might be why they are ending the story in 6.0 directly.
untold gull
considering they've been experimenting with little things here and there, i'm hoping for that too
obsidian pagoda
Is anyone else hoping that 7.0 will be like an updated FF14? Especially by the t...
I hope so, even if it's not an entirely new engine but any upgrades would be good
humble rain
Exactly. Since it's a new chapter we might as well get updated visuals
obsidian pagoda
Kinda like when WoW started adding those Transmog systems, new models etc
rough kestrel
Yoshi said 14 is going to be his life's work, we can take this to mean they dont plan on dropping 14 anytime soon
So they'll new Genesis it eventually
untold gull
as long as we don't end up having some vase or pot breaking the servers
humble rain
If as they said they want FF14 to be around for another 10 years they will have to update the graphics
untold gull
i dunno, man, 11 is still working and it's not the prettiest out there
rough kestrel
Apparently for PS5 they're updating UI stuff to be Hire
Hires*
"and more graphical updates in future"
balmy mesa
yeah they are
obsidian pagoda
i dunno, man, 11 is still working and it's not the prettiest out there
Yes, but it's also not trying to attract much in the way of new players and such, it's just on life support
balmy mesa
it'll come to PC too - easier for them to do the client bundle that way
rough kestrel
They will see what they can get away with on PS5 and then judge how viable "New Genesis"
untold gull
that's fair, that's fair
balmy mesa
I wonder if this means they're going back and enhancing the existing textures in SB (in particular)
balmy mesa
no more crystal pixels for G'raha
untold gull
yeeees
obsidian pagoda
I just want those hires textures at least
balmy mesa
one can hope!
untold gull
was just about to mention that too!
balmy mesa
they wouldn't actively screw us over like that by locking it to PS5
untold gull
a bread has higher resolution than him
rough kestrel
I would think of it like the PS5 is their new test bed for the game's graphics and so they will likely experiment with that, and whatever they deem worthy on PS5 they'll add to PC
humble rain
Graha looked a little 32bit in some scenes
balmy mesa
more like 16, really
vagrant sinew
oh shit yeah true
rough kestrel
Graha looked like the Ultimate weapons
vagrant sinew
open beta
rough kestrel
Bad and pixelly
balmy mesa
from what I understand they have a texture budget that was pretty strict
balmy mesa
it also looks like they vectorized the icons and text
untold gull
hey, look, at least his pixelation didn't detract too much from the scene
humble rain
from what I understand they have a texture budget that was pretty strict
With all the money they are making they need to up the budget
balmy mesa
With all the money they are making they need to up the budget
but they're still a small indie company /s
somber storm
FF14 gonna get the action game treatment in like 10 years
untold gull
i don't think that's a literally money budget
vagrant sinew
honestly more of the money that ffxiv makes needs to be put back into the game
instead of going to other projects
rough kestrel
A budget is memory related
balmy mesa
nah, every texture in the game has a "budget", in terms of how much memory it takes up
rough kestrel
Video memory etc.
untold gull
i'm guessing they learned from 1.0
balmy mesa
there was an explanation in one of the PLLs
humble rain
Oh that memory
balmy mesa
remember when they fixed the melting Limsa back in 5.3?
rough kestrel
At the end of the day XIV will always be limited by the console that it is released on, but now with PS5 and the ending of a story, there's no reason not to take the time to "rebuild the foundation" so to speak
Before moving forward
humble rain
I know that playing it on PS4 the frames drop left and right but I'm sure the PS5 can handle more updated visuals
balmy mesa
the engine could look sweet if they did raytracing
they're already halfway there with the rendered reflections
humble rain
At the end of the day XIV will *always* be limited by the console that it is rel...
A Realm ReReBorn
balmy mesa
melting limsa?
vagrant sinew
bro wtf
rough kestrel
Wasnt one of those in 1.x?
balmy mesa
it was done as part of the flying update for ARR zones
humble rain
Although I don't know if they will be able to pull another ARR situation since updating the graphics now will mean updating 5 expansions worth of content
balmy mesa
well, they've got the full resources of a Business Unit behind them now, so it's possible for them to think about upgrading along the line
rough kestrel
But you can do what PSO2 is doing
humble rain
Wouldn't be fucking crazy if they made the whole world seamless
untold gull
that's...yikes
rough kestrel
The crystal was elsewhere
balmy mesa
ah yes, dildo plaza
rough kestrel
Thats just a statue
tranquil flower
hi did everybody already talk about how the theme color of the expansion is platinum, and that the alchemical symbol for platinum is the sun (the very same one as azems) and the moon
balmy mesa
hi did everybody already talk about how the theme color of the expansion is plat...
platinum and orange
untold gull
there's also the thing about it being a new dawn
humble rain
That actually looks worse than now. How did they manage to decrease the pixels while making it look better?
untold gull
koji sounded so proud at the connection too
vagrant sinew
yeah
untold gull
why did 1.0 look worse tho
vagrant sinew
they wanted 1.0 on PS3 but they couldn't get it out on time I think?
balmy mesa
That actually looks worse than now. How did they manage to decrease the pixels w...
improved tooling as well
untold gull
cutscenes looks aight but the whole thing looks worse for wear
balmy mesa
basically crystal tools is a dumpster fire, so they rebuilt big chunks of the engine
rough kestrel
I mean 1.0 was a different Engine/Lighting system
untold gull
oh, right
untold gull
i forgot it was crystal tools
balmy mesa
but they were limited in that they wanted to carry over the same inventory system
balmy mesa
I mean 1.0 was a different Engine/Lighting system
same engine actually
just heavily, heavily modified
rough kestrel
As far as I know they swapped from Crystal Tools to Luminous or whatever
humble rain
What if they move the game to Luminous Engine with 7.0?
vagrant sinew
I don't think you can just suddenly change engines like that
untold gull
god, luminous engine 
vagrant sinew
it's gonna take so much manpower
balmy mesa
As far as I know they swapped from Crystal Tools to Luminous or whatever
nah, still crystal tools (kind of) - luminous is purely BD1 now
untold gull
there's early luminous ala ffxiv then there's full on bloody amazing project athia luminous
humble rain
@rough kestrel I know it was a mess cause they were building the engine as they were creating the game aide by side. The engine was not yet finished
Now they are planning to release Project Athia with a finished Luminous Engine
rough kestrel
*"The first FFXIV was developed using Square Enix’s in-house Crystal Tools engine, which also powered the FFXIII trilogy and Dragon Quest X. While it was lauded for its visual fidelity, it proved to be overly resource-hungry for many FFXIV players. It was this balance that Yoshida and his team strived to equal.
“A Realm Reborn and Heavensward are operating on the game engine which was specially built for FFXIV,” he observes. “For an MMORPG, it’s necessary to render as many characters as possible simultaneously. Also, being a title from the Final Fantasy series, FFXIV is expected to meet the quality of the franchise. In order to materialise these two goals, the exclusive game engine was built.”*
vagrant sinew
and yet they can't even make A rank hunts higher priority than players
untold gull
it's still named luminous engine tho 
vagrant sinew
rough kestrel
I vaguely recall it being an early version of what became luminous
rough kestrel
But I cant fully recall
untold gull
might as well be tbh
humble rain
What are you selling?
rough kestrel
What was being sold?
vagrant sinew
probably someone transferring money to an alt
balmy mesa
I vaguely recall it being an early version of what became luminous
it seems to share a lot in common with luminous, but optimised for online play
untold gull
they probably worked on it on the side
considering it's a better engine than crystal tools
balmy mesa
still, the lighting needs work in ffxiv, hopefully they fix it with PS5
humble rain
White Aurocyte
proper zealot
What are you selling?
Wolf Spinel's Earrings
proper zealot
What was being sold?
Wolf Spinel's Earrings
balmy mesa
I've already noticed with the radz-at-han image that they've improved the texturing of terrain
rough kestrel
Gil transfer to alt yeah
balmy mesa
I mean if you look at how much has improved between hw and shadowbringers
(except Kholusia, they fucked it up with that map)
untold gull
how so?
balmy mesa
ran out of map memory
untold gull
oh that. that was a bloody stupid thing to do
cosmic herald
I know it's almost a week but the hairstyle from DR is insane
balmy mesa
that's why the dwarf BT is in Lakeland
soft gyro
wdym by "ran out of map memory"?
cosmic herald
12mil gil???
untold gull
literally ran out of memory for the kholusia map
soft gyro
is there a limit on how much memory you can use?
balmy mesa
yeah
untold gull
yes
balmy mesa
for PS4
balmy mesa
think it was the combination of massive draw distance and size
balmy mesa
nah it's a hard limit, and they moved the beast tribe to lakeland instead
they might resolve it for endwalker, though
humble rain
No way PS4 will last until 8.0
untold gull
Isn't the size of the bunker they out there essentially the same size as the raid?
balmy mesa
nier raids would be stored in a different zone, I think
untold gull
No, i just mean the model
soft gyro
all instances are basically stored in a different zone
gaunt star
honestly more of the money that ffxiv makes needs to be put back into the game
Late, but this.
obsidian pagoda
Well they have liek 2.5 years to phase out PS4 if they want to, so 7.0 can have new stuff
balmy mesa
nier raid wasn't an issue at all
balmy mesa
didn't they say the PS4 had the option to upgrade for free to the PS5 version?
vagrant sinew
probably is low poly yeah considering we can't access it directly outside of the zone
soft gyro
they did
untold gull
I just mean the model, not the real deal 
obsidian pagoda
didn't they say the PS4 had the option to upgrade for free to the PS5 version?
Yep but people have to buy PS5 first
soft gyro
its a free upgrade once the open beta is open
balmy mesa
lmao yeah.
humble rain
One of the reasons that so many want a PS4 is to finally leave behind the lagfest and the frame drops while also finally getting faster loading times. PS4 to PS5 actually feels like a major upgrade more than PS3 to PS4 was
soft gyro
it would kind of suck needing to triple dip on the same platform that has a subscription model.
ps3, ps4 and ps5
balmy mesa
there is one thing I'd like for them to fix though: space heater mode - my PC turns into a space heater whenever I play FFXIV
lmao
vagrant sinew
sounds like it needs a dust cleaning
rough kestrel
Yeah XIV isnt that intensive
untold gull
Mine doesn't. And mine's a laptop
balmy mesa
nah, it's literally the only game it does it with... though uncapped frame rate...
rough kestrel
My PC is 6 years old and runs it maxed out with no drama
untold gull
Only time it gets hot is when weather is literally hot
balmy mesa
(plus reshade)
gaunt star
PS5 is a major upgrade because whenever you're in limsa or doing an alliance raid it doesn't sound like your console is about to go to space
rough kestrel
Why does your UI look all fucked up
untold gull
Damn, nice
balmy mesa
Why does your UI look all fucked up
Reshade
wet crown
My PC is sometimes getting hot but it's getting old. HDD is over 10 years old, CPU is an old i5, etc
Need to build a new one anyway
vagrant sinew
wut
balmy mesa
I apply a contrast bump and sharpen
vagrant sinew
I only use gshade for screenshots anyway
sturdy estuary
i only use reshade for ambient occlusion uwu
rough kestrel
Saturation + Jpeg artifact dont = better graphics
It looks like a poorly photoshopped screenshot of a game, generally.
balmy mesa
that's not jpeg artifacting, it's just a tad oversharpened
sturdy estuary
what if my aesthetic is making everything an eyesore
rough kestrel
You should play Warframe
Everyone on that is colorblind
I love that game but people just use the most eye bleeding color schemes
sturdy estuary
ok!
untold gull
Don't even get me started with that thing...
balmy mesa
I love that game but people just use the most eye bleeding color schemes
in my case it's deliberate. 
vagrant sinew
it's true!
humble rain
Are the loading times on PC just as fast as the PS5 trailer?
sturdy estuary
jesus christ what is that
vagrant sinew
clown piss
untold gull
Loki player 
soft gyro
depends on which pc
vagrant sinew
loki has players?
balmy mesa
I had a Hello Kitty colour scheme on my Warframe frame a while back
sturdy estuary
if you are loading into limsa it wont be that fast
untold gull
rough kestrel
Not really, though my XIV is installed on a regular HDD because it's too big for my SSD
soft gyro
you got ssd, yes, fast.
you got hdd? no. not fast.
gaunt star
I love that game but people just use the most eye bleeding color schemes
Doesn't make it any better that you have to pay money for the good color options, (yes I know you can get platinum for free but still come one)
soft gyro
I got my game installed on my 1TB nvme ssd.
rough kestrel
The speed in the showcase is them loading from area to area on an empty server
untold gull
If it has one thing going much better than ffxiv, it's that they can dye separate parts of it
rough kestrel
True.
soft gyro
also, it's their local test server
balmy mesa
The speed in the showcase is them loading from area to area on an *empty server*
it's fairly close to that speed on my nvme
soft gyro
to limsa?
untold gull
I've let go of so many coats because of one colour that is undyeable
rough kestrel
You can probably slow that transition by 20% and get real world load times for actual packed server load times on PS5
which is still fast
untold gull
2
balmy mesa
yeah, but it'd be 10-15s on a HDD at least
rough kestrel
Returning from limsa to Ul'dah right now was about 3-4 seconds on a regular HDD
soft gyro
depends on which hdd
gaunt star
Atm on ps5 with the ps4 version you get about 7 seconds of loading. Which is much better than the 20 seconds you'd get on ps4
untold gull
I don't believe it until they show a live of it from somewhere else to limsa
balmy mesa
anyway, limsa's a poor example, you'd want to think about say, lakeland in a hunt train
untold gull
Oh god, true
turbid helm
easy to port into limsa when there are no other players there
sturdy estuary
i cant believe the ps5 players already killed the mark :(
balmy mesa
tonberry biker gang, represent
soft gyro
imagine having to pay 100$ for complete edition on ps5 when you can just play backwards compatability via ps4
untold gull
Eh?
gaunt star
They loaded into upper la noscea too, a place that wont be crowded with or without players
turbid helm
imagine playing MMOs on a console
soft gyro
if they did not make it free for ps5
untold gull
It's free
soft gyro
yeah, BUT IF
rough kestrel
Limsa to Ul'dah is 3-4, Ul'dah to Gridania is 5, Gridania to Limsa is.... 4-5
balmy mesa
if they stop offering it for free, that is
rough kestrel
Thats on a regular HDD on a 6 year old PC, right this minute
glossy rose
@vagrant sinew I'm a bit late, but I've got a color scheme that can beat yours.
soft gyro
what is a "regular hdd"
rough kestrel
A non SSD
soft gyro
that is not a regular hdd
balmy mesa
so I'm not sure if the cities are an accurate indicator, since the load would be fairly consistent 24/7
vagrant sinew
why on earth would you use an HDD these days anyway
soft gyro
how fast does your disk spin? how many read pins on your disk do you have?
balmy mesa
(ie, hunts, new story missions in the zone)
sturdy estuary
just checked, on my hdd it takes 15 seconds to load into limsa
and its pretty quiet right now since its morning
glossy rose
You want eye bleed? How about the kinda person who rocks different shades and tones of a single color?
rough kestrel
I mean it's a 2TB HDD, it's not even a hybrid.
vagrant sinew
that's not even remotely eyebleed
sturdy estuary
You want eye bleed? How about the kinda person who rocks different shades and to...
are you the person who owns the plot beside my house?
glossy rose
@sturdy estuary I don't own a house, no. There is a Big Bicep Bertha though, maybe her.
balmy mesa
You want eye bleed? How about the kinda person who rocks different shades and to...
that is fabulous
glossy rose
@balmy mesa Thank you. 
balmy mesa
you're welcome
soft gyro
a 2tb hdd isn't a 'regular harddrive'
balmy mesa
is it 5400rpm or 7200rpm
(also bear in mind stock PS4 has 5400 running off SATA II, but PS4 Pro has 7200 running off SATA III, afaik)
glossy rose
So, I had a brain fart a bit ago. The unannounced DPS class...what if it's Blitzballer?
vagrant sinew
it's melee.
untold gull
Melee
glossy rose
Yeah?
vagrant sinew
it's not gonna be blitzballer.
rough kestrel
It'll be 7200, either way, semantics aside it's no SSD.
soft gyro
Melee blitzball
balmy mesa
would be cool, though
glossy rose
Blitzball is a contact sport.
balmy mesa
hold the balls, just beat them with it
untold gull
Well, can always smack people with a ball
rough kestrel
The new melee is whatever Zenos job changed to.
glossy rose
We've seen what Wakka does in 10.
vagrant sinew
people assume it's gonna be a scythe job
balmy mesa
We've seen what Wakka does in 10.
be racist towards al bhed?
glossy rose
We don't talk about that. xD
balmy mesa
blitzball will be the new goldsaucer game
it bloody well better be.
pvp blitzball, anyone?
glossy rose
A scythe class would be neat, actually.
shell isle
is the blitzball hype ironic or do people actually like it
rough kestrel
It might be Blitzball but I'm not sure it will be, unless they're being very cheeky about the comparison to Mahjong.
balmy mesa
is the blitzball hype ironic or do people actually like it
I liked it.
steep cobalt
i will be main bliztball insstead MSQ
balmy mesa
I mean, they did a similar thing for mahjong
obsidian pagoda
I would absolutely main Blitzball lmao
tiny wind
dont say scythe or @unique verge is gonna come and prove you wrong
glossy rose
I'd love for Blitzball to be added to the game, it'd be crazy.
rough kestrel
They presented it as something on par with Mahjong and then walked us through how they made Mahjong happen
unique verge
WHO DARES SUMMON ME
obsidian pagoda
speak of the devil
glossy rose
Ya done done it now.
tiny wind
oh no
glossy rose
Pitter-patter, get at her Hykisho, your rodeo there.
steep cobalt
3 years ago Yoshida mention that he want to add blitzball in ff14 but dont know how it would be NOW it's time to believe he did it
balmy mesa
Pitter-patter, get at her Hykisho, your rodeo there.
I need to finish watching Letterkenny
glossy rose
I'm on the last episode of the current season.
rough kestrel
I think it'll be Shogi, or Go, or Blackjack.
tiny wind
Pitter-patter, get at her Hykisho, your rodeo there.
i tactically retreat
glossy rose
10-4 good buddy.
rough kestrel
@vagrant sinew i mean... he switched to a scythe shirt in the LL later.
soft gyro
this is why ppl think the melee is gonna be a scythe job
yoshi p also weared a death scythe in the live letter too.
vagrant sinew
tbh I didn't watch the LL since it was 6 fuckin am
obsidian pagoda
yeah it was a Children of Bodom shirt with the grim reaper and a scythe
balmy mesa
love the fact that I got to watch the expansion reveal at 12.30pm on Saturday
obsidian pagoda
based JP hours
rough kestrel
balmy mesa
was nice
vagrant sinew
why he kissy
obsidian yew
this is why ppl think the melee is gonna be a scythe job
just curious has anyone translated the part that's above where it says "the filth and the fury?"
pastel coyote
2 shirt with a reaper and a group with a title who is "follow the reaper"
unique verge
idk, if people wanna speculate on shirts its whatever
Ok yoshi if you insist
glossy rose
I'm excited to see some of the glamour gear for Sage, honestly. I've gotta get together a nurse outfit for the class at some point.
unique verge
I just cant stand the "the trailer proves its a scythe" crap
rough kestrel
5.5 is "Death unto Dawn"
unique verge
its ridiculous
rough kestrel
So it'll be about Zenos becoming a reaper
steep cobalt
and on the trailer there is a scythe (prob) near Zenos
shell isle
I think it will be templar,
unique verge
Speaking of shirts
obsidian pagoda
just curious has anyone translated the part that's above where it says "the filt...
IIRC the arabic is just a bastardised way of spelling neighborhood or something
shell isle
the whole julian temple samurai sam reimi thing
rough kestrel
I would love a DPS version of a Knight
glossy rose
Running on the fun theory someone made right after the showcase, huh Shinkle?
shell isle
Yeah my Arab friends say it doesn't mean anything, just letters
rough kestrel
So I can be PLD with no responsibility.
vagrant sinew
I mean his shirts always hinted at smth
obsidian yew
IIRC the arabic is just a bastardised way of spelling neighborhood or something
oh that's disappointing ._. thanks for the reply 😄
vagrant sinew
iirc before mch was revealed he wore a james bond shirt
pastel coyote
no no it's really good to hear that
vagrant sinew
rough kestrel
Haha
shell isle
Hey, my theory was sex pistols = gun slinger/ pirate
rough kestrel
But it's Melee DPS
pastel coyote
that mean i can say more and more "fuck you" to people who think it could be templar
obsidian pagoda
but the running theme is the grim reaper between the two shirts
rough kestrel
Well, no because his shirt being grim reaper themed far outweighs any Templar/crusader hints
obsidian pagoda
I do love his first one is literally "No Comment"
steep cobalt
imagine Yosphi lied and in fact there is 2 new DPS jobs
shell isle
I couldn't find anything about bono's children other than one is an actress 
glossy rose
Not sure why people pulled Templar anyway, all 'cause of the director of a movie with the same name as the quote on his shirt?
rough kestrel
Bono's children?
unique verge
Not sure why people pulled Templar anyway, all 'cause of the director of a movie...
because that same logic was how Samurai got predicted
shell isle
Yeah his second shirt says 'Children of Bono'
obsidian pagoda
Koji was wearing a Dragoon shirt and then they announced Estinien as Trust member lol
unique verge
Yeah his second shirt says 'Children of Bono'
Children of Bodom
shell isle
OH LMAO
rough kestrel
A fairly well known one at that
steep cobalt
It's children of bodom
glossy rose
Children of Bono. xD
shell isle
unique verge
Sounds like a super lame band
glossy rose
"I AM THE NEW WARRIOR OF LIGHT!"
humble rain
Children of Buenno
steep cobalt
now i want to listen Children of BONO
shell isle
ffs I deserve it
glossy rose
LOL
vagrant sinew
Children of Buenno
glossy rose
"My children will defeat all of their enemies, and U2, Warrior of Light."
humble rain
We go to the moon and we find Genesis
steep cobalt
crossover Children of BIden and Bono
obsidian pagoda
Phil Collins just drumming on the moon
rough kestrel
Can I just point out though, all this Grim reaper talk but then we have Azem looking like this.
vagrant sinew
that's not even azem tho, that's derplander
balmy mesa
Koji was wearing a Dragoon shirt and then they announced Estinien as Trust membe...
double whammy really, new melee DPS is maiming gear too
obsidian pagoda
The Ascian robe really threw me off
tiny wind
full teaser cant come soon enough
glossy rose
Was about to say, that ain't Azem, Azem's friend shaped.
unique verge
I mean, its gonna be on the Maiming token, so its not like its gonna look like a grim reaper even if it happens
shell isle
is it derplander? not fannydanny?
humble rain
Nomura is the final boss cause we removed belts
vagrant sinew
it is derplander
rough kestrel
Don't make me mad over pointless pedanticism.
glossy rose
I thought his nickname was Meteor.
rough kestrel
It's easier to call him Azem, as the imagery is also suppose to invoke Azem.
humble rain
It's Britney
glossy rose
Bitch.
obsidian pagoda
bitch
glossy rose
rough kestrel
I just think it's funny though, getting a reaper class and our hero looking like a grim reaper
humble rain
Songstress job confirmed
vagrant sinew
botanist dps
glossy rose
I mean, to be fair, we've already got the glamour scythes.
humble rain
Soul Eater
shell isle
glams scythe over scythe
tiny wind
BTN finally getting the recognition 
shell isle
rough kestrel
Time to gather high parses 
unique verge
tbh the existing weapons are part of why i dont think its scythe
They avoid overlapping that sort of stuff super hard
glossy rose
People are wanting a hammer class, could be something with Beastmaster maybe.
pastel coyote
yeah like the drk who can use a katana
obsidian pagoda
Songstress job confirmed
What can I do for you?
I can't hear you
pastel coyote
rough kestrel
Whatever it is, it'll be a Maiming DPS
unique verge
A weapon that is as tall as you are is not "a katana"
glossy rose
Be a Machinist and rock a pirate look, I do it.
shell isle
it's an odachi...
unique verge
I mean like BLM has a scythe already, and there's the Edda weapons
unique verge
The last time they did something like this they had to redo all of PLD/GLD low level weapons to stop being daggers
glossy rose
It just crossed my mind: What're they gonna give Machinist with the new levels?
humble rain
The bigger the weapon the smaller the ... 
shell isle
more robots
obsidian yew
Whatever it is, it'll be a Maiming DPS
sorry but where is that evidence?
unique verge
sorry but where is that evidence?
In the interview, which yuo can see in #translations-and-liveletters
sturdy estuary
mch gets a bigger drill
unique verge
He literally calls out DRG for being in a unique position and that's why they picked a melee
glossy rose
I mean, we've already got the Queen, the next thing I can think is that they give us a limited time form of like, new skillsets using different guns.
rough kestrel
Which means it'll be a DPS that looks "Tank-like"
glossy rose
Like a dual pistol kit.
rough kestrel
Because Maiming gets recolored Tank armor
humble rain
Reaper is a given
obsidian pagoda
Which means it'll be a DPS that looks "Tank-like"
Look if I can share being a floor tank with someone I wouldn't even be mad
please give me reasons it wouldn't be a scythe melee, I'm running out of copium
rough kestrel
Listen, I love Samurai but Striking judge armor broke my heart
glossy rose
Hammer.
sturdy estuary
im just happy for another job that can use my drg glamour
obsidian yew
He literally calls out DRG for being in a unique position and that's why they pi...
ninja is the same though with scouting gear. could also mean the opposite of a unique melee class
gaunt star
rough kestrel
If we get a new DPS that looks cool enough to make me use it, I'll be happy because I've been wanting SAM to use Maiming for years.
somber storm
Look if I can share being a floor tank with someone I wouldn't even be mad
Sharing the floor
obsidian yew
just not putting all my eggs in one basket yet
unique verge
ninja is the same though with scouting gear. could also mean the opposite of a u...
Wrong. DRG is the "least competitive" in gear right now.
glossy rose
We've got Gaia, she's got a hammer, the only hammer weapon that's available is the giant hammer Dwarf weapon for Warriors, but that's totally new ground for a weapon type all together.
unique verge
DRG shares accessories with 2 others. NIN shares accessories with 3 others. He called out DRG specifically
rough kestrel
The other option is the Hammer of Darkness VS The Shield of Light
So if Zenos picks up a hammer
Sure
humble rain
What crafting class will craft gear for Reaper?
glossy rose
He would, probably.
shell isle
btn 
rough kestrel
@humble rain ...Maiming sets
unique verge
What crafting class will craft gear for Reaper?
None cuz its not gonna be Reaper
somber storm
PLD with a dwarven pick axe as a weapon
shell isle
what do you believe it will be balmerick
balmy mesa
It probably won't be called Reaper
rough kestrel
Reaver
balmy mesa
Ravager might be more likely
glossy rose
Necromancer.
glossy rose
Lol.
balmy mesa
I feel like necromancer has been speculated to death
obsidian pagoda
PLD with a dwarven pick axe as a weapon
fuck I'm way too sleepy cause I read that as "dwarven tooth pick"
unique verge
idk what it'll be called if its a scythe class but i dont see Reaper as the name.
That said, i also am not sold on scythes
somber storm
Toothpick weapon when
balmy mesa
It'd be a two handed weapon class at least
glossy rose
True, it's not likely to be Necromancer either. And it's theorized that if Beastmaster gets added it'll be a limited job like Blue.
shell isle
what about... pirate..
rough kestrel
Why do you say that? @balmy mesa
sturdy estuary
Toothpick weapon when
lalafell drg
unique verge
As ive said several times, given all we really have to go on for sure is Maiming token, i'm betting on a double ended sword like Gabranth, or a long garlean gunblade with a fighting style like Gaius/Fordola/Regula
humble rain
Wasn't RanJit using a scythe?
obsidian pagoda
rough kestrel
I consider Ranjit a Monk.
unique verge
Ranjit is not a maiming armor type tho
somber storm
Btn secondary
balmy mesa
Why do you say that? <@!114890923166531594>
idk seems to fit thematically with the gear
rough kestrel
Ranjit is honestly multiple classes but primarily a Monk
unique verge
Plus, im just throwing this out there
glossy rose
Plus, that's more of an effect from fusing with a monster.
shell isle
ranjit role tutor 
glossy rose
Ranjit's dead, ain't he?
rough kestrel
The job would be based off of Zenos
unique verge
Yes, he's dead
rough kestrel
Zenos is more than likely the new DPS
unique verge
I'm not sold on that yet either
since that's purely "it happened before" + tinfoil trailer speculation
glossy rose
I mean, it's possible, but I don't think we'd be willing to copy whatever Boner Boy Zenos picks up.
humble rain
He has a scythe next to him in the trailer
unique verge
You dont know that
rough kestrel
I mean we literally did copy him
unique verge
He has "something" next to him
glossy rose
Did we though?
rough kestrel
Ala Mhigo Monk > Get fucked by Zenos > Pickup Katana
humble rain
Zenos found Soul Calibur
glossy rose
Yeah, then like, why isn't Lyse a Samurai then?
unique verge
Yeah, then like, why isn't Lyse a Samurai then?
Too dumb
obsidian pagoda
Yeah, then like, why isn't Lyse a Samurai then?
Cause we have Hien already???
glossy rose
And there's the logic there on the CG events.
gaunt star
rough kestrel
I'm afraid I dont follow how this relates to Lyse
glossy rose
Wasn't she in the CG?