White Mage had terrible terrible enfeeble magic
#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
cinder badger
maiden lodge
Well, yeah, and ogcd shields exist, like Benison, CI in Diurn. But for scholar to be a barrier healer, properly, it needs that.
digital forge
as it turns out, incentivizing people to dps helps when it benefits healing
gaunt star
It'll be like FF13 all over again.
worn bloom
Leveling it's good enough
woeful dagger
Well, yeah, and ogcd shields exist, like Benison, CI in Diurn. But for scholar ...
Probably a rework coming
worn bloom
Elemental Staves make it piss easy to land debuffs.
maiden lodge
Probably a rework coming
Well, I don't see the single target ogcd barriers going away for WHM or AST, because of dungeons.
cinder badger
@worn bloom it was a waste of MP which created more downtime in between pull chains
digital forge
sch is 100% rework
maiden lodge
But SCH having them, + Excog+ seraph? Yeah
worn bloom
My groups always had RDM's main healing.
lost raft
scholar becomes the seraph
digital forge
is this the expansion where they separate
woeful dagger
Well, I don't see the single target ogcd barriers going away for WHM or AST, bec...
Maybe they move them from Barrier to something else? Hard to say.
maiden lodge
Maybe they move them from Barrier to something else? Hard to say.
The barrier's useful during the pull to help stabilize without grabbing yellow-names. Not much CAN replace it in terms of worth.
woeful dagger
Useful yes, but not required.
maiden lodge
Regen's have the problem of ticking and getting things mid pull and messing with the tank's train
woeful dagger
Which might be enough for them to ax it. Hard to say.
cinder badger
Red Mage was a backup healer but mostly it excelled at being the MP battery and the teams enfeeblist
Red Mage had the one spell all magic users loved. Refresh.
forest magnet
SCH needs to be more intuitive
maiden lodge
A tank can easily get threat with an AoE, but if mobs are going in five different directions during the pull because of a regen tick, that's unwieldy and makes things unnecessarily harder
forest magnet
it's very clunky to play
slate ridge
im pretty interested how would astro be changed because of sage
onyx sundial
it is very intuitive imo
gaunt star
just regen and keep pace with your tank
forest magnet
You realize that eating your fairy actually an overall healing loss right
woeful dagger
im pretty interested how would astro be changed because of sage
Probably just delete Noct Sect and some minor spell changes
maiden lodge
just regen and keep pace with your tank
gap close gap close
woeful dagger
just rescue the tank to you
forest magnet
making fairy actions tied to GCD sucks
subtle pasture
What if AST gets Urianger's reverse Rescue 
maiden lodge
You realize that eating your fairy actually an overall healing loss right
Not if it's at the end of a pull, and there's nothing to heal, and you have free aetherflow for the next pull when she comes back up.
cinder badger
What if rescue pulled everybody to your location
slate ridge
Probably just delete Noct Sect and some minor spell changes
i guess noct sect being gone would make neutral sect useless
maiden lodge
i guess noct sect being gone would make neutral sect useless
neutral sect was already pretty naff
Neutral sect not affecting your ogcds is what made it useless.
cinder badger
Nutual sect being neutral sect made it uselesd
maiden lodge
Or rather, it feels bad that it's useful when you cast heals in a meta where you need to avoid casting heals
subtle pasture
you know what an AST rework means, Dis
maiden lodge
you know what an AST rework means, Dis
more dps cards
subtle pasture
another shot for a skill of theirs to be named Equinox 
maiden lodge
another shot for a skill of theirs to be named Equinox <:dogeKek:639726958091173...
wait
actually that IS what Neutral Sect should have been named
cinder badger
@subtle pasture another shot for a skill of theirs to be named the Unstoppable Exodia
woeful dagger
When are we getting the Contact Fusion AST card
maiden lodge
I am predicting the Malefic and Combust series of spells be renamed
woeful dagger
we also need Black Lotus AST card
maiden lodge
Broil... maybe? But Broil doesn't follow the -ra, -ga, -ja progressin
woeful dagger
Glare 2 is gonna be lit
maiden lodge
Glare 2 is gonna be lit
i see what you did there
woeful dagger
I am having fun trying to envision what fuckery they do with GNB
gaunt star
Glare 2, yes please.
woeful dagger
Cause I feel like it's bars are pretty full as-is.
I'd like an upgrade to Sonic Break and give it an actual animation
And then obv something named Renzokuken
forest magnet
isn't that the ranged attack for GNB
maiden lodge
And then obv something named Renzokuken
that's... literally... Continuation Combo
cinder badger
Maybe just give it some passive
woeful dagger
Nothing in Continuation is called Renzokuken though. I want the actual name damnit.
maiden lodge
No... Renzokuken MEANS 'Continuation Sword'
cinder badger
Isn't it it's claw Fang Talon combo technically like renzokuken
maiden lodge
IT's already IN there
woeful dagger
The finishing moves for Renzo are all oddly what GNB uses for other abilities
cinder badger
Yeah continuation which you weave in between each of your claw fang Talon combo
woeful dagger
I want that for all Jobs, akin to PvP
digital forge
woeful dagger
It makes it more new-player friendly too. Just have combos on 1 button.
maiden lodge
They won't do it.
digital forge
you'll take my monk fuckery from my cold, dead hands
maiden lodge
Won't go into why but they wont.
wicked lynx
but keeping my dps 1 2 3s
odd yoke
They already said they would never do that
maiden lodge
There's a good reason why it IS that way
craggy gale
over my fucking dead body
woeful dagger
Also, delete Storm's Eye and just fold it into Storm's Path lol
digital forge
but why
wicked lynx
does anyone here macro their gnashing fang
forest magnet
they should let the buff be granted by the aoe combo
craggy gale
fuck no
wicked lynx
thats one button
forest magnet
not just extended
wicked lynx
woeful dagger
they should let the buff be granted by the aoe combo
Holy moly yes
Overpower should just grant it tbh
digital forge
thank fuck yoshi-p stops listening to people
cinder badger
@digital forge it's good he listens to people but it's also very good that he understands common sense and that the customer is not always right
cinder badger
woeful dagger
I don't remember any of that during SB 
shell merlin
we got a tank last expansion
heady shadow
koji, yoshi, and them know we like emmes
cinder badger
@woeful dagger I was there it happened
heady shadow
i started playing ffxiv just before sb launched
then was in the early access
i was a week or two behind evceryone though
coral kite
Can't wait for Sage rotation to be: laser blast laser blast laser blast laser blast
😎
woeful dagger
you forgot gun shoot
cinder badger
Justice sure is people in shadowbringers were outraged that they weren't getting their fourth healer in stormblood people were outraged they weren't getting their fourth tank
woeful dagger
dummy
unique verge
How have i never had this meme idea
woeful dagger
Justice sure is people in shadowbringers were outraged that they weren't getting...
I'm glad they didn't release a fourth tank with SB cause it allowed them to focus on getting WAR mostly right
unique verge
Koji is literally
shell merlin
next expansion we need healer and tank 🙂
coral kite
some people thoughti twould be two DPS since we weren't sure if SE would fix
the healer problem
unique verge
Michael K Fox. I feel like there is a Michael J Fox meme waiting to happen related to that.
cinder badger
Did somebody say Koji Fox?
woeful dagger
we all knew it would be dps heal tho no
I think because there's been no real pattern, no one really knows what's in store every expansion anymore.
shell merlin
did they ever do 2 dps at once
woeful dagger
Just the last expansion
digital forge
yes
heady shadow
woeful dagger
And ARR was NIN/SMN
shell merlin
wtf is that mess @heady shadow
heady shadow
memes
maiden lodge
They didn't do two dps at once in ARR. One of them came more than a year after
coral kite
but nah, we haven't had an expac where they threw us two DPS
shell merlin
@heady shadow none of tehse apply so I am thus salty as a drk main
cinder badger
They wants to keep a certain balance
The developers want to make sure that every role has at least close to the same amount of jobs
cinder badger
Which is why they made dancer a ranged DPS because we only had two every other role at least had three
heady shadow
xD
woeful dagger
The developers want to make sure that every role has at least close to the same ...
Well the new melee job is being added only for armor reasons it seems
So there's that
maiden lodge
Well the new melee job is being added only for armor reasons it seems
streeeetch
cinder badger
But that's fine because they have a better balance
heady shadow
I just wanna say,
cinder badger
And they just added their 4th healer
heady shadow
Dark Arts animation was cool looking
woeful dagger
streeeetch
No, Yoshida said that because DRG had its own armor it "was easy" to make the next DPS a melee
woven escarp
But they say Dragoon is in a special place
drg has a unique armor class that isn't shared by anyone else
heady shadow
ok meme is good <@!94587850762223616>
this honestly is the rotation i use lol
unique verge
DRG shares accessories with only 2 other jobs for a total of three, and it shares its armor with nobody. This makes it the least shared gear of anyone.
cinder badger
Yeah but then they changed it to scouting tanks can use the some of the same gear dragoons did ARR
shell merlin
@heady shadow i dont have pictures memorized just buttons at this point so
cant say for me
maiden lodge
No, Yoshida said that because DRG had its own armor it "was easy" to make the ne...
Kay but that's not your original claim
Well the new melee job is being added only for armor reasons it seems
Is not the same as nor implied by
tmb | Tank Stance | Balmung: No, Yoshida said that because DRG had its own armor it "was easy" to make the next DPS a melee
heady shadow
hey remember when everyone used that one gear type?
for coils?
what was it again?
unique verge
Darklight?
heady shadow
s-something
cinder badger
Last I checked accessories can be worn by all jobs even if the stats don't work for that job
heady shadow
something with an S
worn bloom
There we go synced Coils in full Darklight
cinder badger
So wouldn't it be more about the left side than the accessories
worn bloom
Lets farm some philos
cinder badger
And in that case after heavensward ninja is also in the same position having only access to scouting gear
gaunt star
accessories past L60 can't be worn by all jobs
maiden lodge
That could also mean 'We wanted to add a new armored melee, and it's easy to do because dragoon doesn't share its gear'
unique verge
something with an S
Oh you mean Slaying accessories
heady shadow
Yes slaying
maiden lodge
Ninja also should have just used aiming gear from the start, they did wierd shit with ninja
cinder badger
Could also be the name. Maiming and slaying could be a clue.
unique verge
Eh, idk. Scouting seems fine. Ninja's gear aesthetic doesnt line up well with BRD/MCH, and certainly not DNC.
maiden lodge
Like having it start by using monk gear, slapping dex on pre 2.4 monk gear, and then having them move to unique gear.
woeful dagger
That could also mean 'We wanted to add a new armored melee, and it's easy to do ...
It more than likely went "we want to add a DPS, here are some ideas. Oh this one can share with DRG, we'll use that idea"
maiden lodge
Eh, idk. Scouting seems fine. Ninja's gear aesthetic doesnt line up well with ...
Yes, sometimes the ninja's is dyed black while the bard is dyed white!
cinder badger
If it is going to use maiming and slaying gear then it is likely going to be something that could maim and slay. Just like a drg can
maiden lodge
It more than likely went "we want to add a DPS, here are some ideas. Oh this one...
Still not the same as 'only making the job because of the armor'
unique verge
Meanwhile capeless MNK's in striking armor get mad
heady shadow
mnks been getting samurai dresses
woeful dagger
I said adding, not making
unique verge
Must be shit to be a capeless judge
maiden lodge
If it is going to use maiming and slaying gear then it is likely going to be som...
'samurai no maim, only slay'
untold gull
Meanwhile capeless MNK's in striking armor get mad
cinder badger
@maiden lodge but Samurai uses striking
maiden lodge
<@275781124872077315> but Samurai uses striking
SO they can strike, but not maim. Swords can never maim.
cinder badger
You strike with a katana
untold gull
i don't think they're the same... 
maiden lodge
Just pointing out the issue with the previous logic
maiden lodge
You strike with a katana
You cannot strike with a spear, only maim
cinder badger
Usually being able to finish your foe with a single stroke
maiden lodge
See how that doesn't ACTUALLY work?
cinder badger
@maiden lodge Dragoon's can't wear striking gear
maiden lodge
<@275781124872077315> Dragoon's can't wear striking gear
I know that tips.
hazy gull
What's going on he --
heady shadow
run
maiden lodge
Follow the logic given.
'Class must have a combat style that maims and slays, because it uses maiming and slaying gear.'
implies
'Classes that do not use maiming gear therefore cannot have a combat style that maims'
It's pointing out the problem with the logic
implies 'Classes that do not use striking gear cannot have a combat style that strikes'
unique verge
Follow the logic given.
'Class must have a combat style that maims and slays, b...
Funny you should mention that.
!action Maim
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maiden lodge
But.... you can maim with a katana and strike with a spear
hazy gull
That's our Gruntler 
maiden lodge
So..... maybe don't take gear types literally?
I'm literally saying 'don't be semantic'
unique verge
Dont be Symantec either, their software sucks.
cinder badger
@maiden lodge but there's obviously a certain direction they take with each type of armor
maiden lodge
<@275781124872077315> but there's obviously a certain direction they take with e...
Follow the logic.
7:25 PM] Yayayo Yayo: If it is going to use maiming and slaying gear then it is likely going to be something that could maim and slay. Just like a drg can
You are claiming combat style must match... maiming and slaying?
So... you can't slay with magic?
You can't maim with a sword?
See how it does not actually work?
It falls apart, when you think about it for five seconds, or at all.
unique verge
Pretty sure i can slay with any fucking weapon i so desire.
Bullets slay things quite nicely
maiden lodge
Pretty sure i can slay with any fucking weapon i so desire.
no no, bullets can't slay, only aim
Also ninjas aim
not slay
NO SLAY! ONLY AIM!
cinder badger
Each style of armor has a theme though.
Fending
Healing
Casting
Aiming
Maiming
Striking
Scouting
maiden lodge
Assassinate doesn't slay a target, it only aims.
tropic frigate
dancer with most of aiming gear doesnt look too great but its in there
unique verge
Since DRG has shared its appearance with tanks like 9/10 times that sharing occurred
DRG's must be tank
maiden lodge
Like I'm not suddenly the principal of the college just because I'm a tank and Sharlayan preceptor gear exists
unique verge
lol
cinder badger
@tropic frigate exactly
maiden lodge
DRG's must be tank
tbf some gear was shared with tanks
woeful dagger
Like I'm not suddenly the principal of the college just because I'm a tank and S...
Well, I am 100% an Allagan android because High Allagan gear exists
unique verge
tbf some gear was shared with tanks
....i said that?
cinder badger
Okay so then why do they make two different sets of gear with the same stats
unique verge
Well, I am 100% an Allagan android because High Allagan gear exists
Since when were Doga and Unei androids. They're clones.
cinder badger
Maiming and striking both give strength as its damage stat so why create maiming? Why not just have Dragoon use striking
unique verge
because the visual theme makes no sense
Dragoon is supposed to be heavily armorered. Its stat actually HAVE higher armor.
forest magnet
Well, I am 100% an Allagan android because High Allagan gear exists
wouldn't be hte most farfetched rp backstory
cinder badger
But didn't somebody just point out that dancer can use aiming gear but visually it does not fit?
forest magnet
^
cinder badger
So then why didn't we create a separate set of gear for the dancer
unique verge
But didn't somebody just point out that dancer can use aiming gear but visually ...
That's because 99% of Aiming gear was made before DNC existed
But weight-wise the gear works just fine
worn bloom
Honestly the tome gear for ShB felt meh to me.
cinder badger
@unique verge what you just said What mattered was visual
forest magnet
weight wise?
cinder badger
I didn't say put it on maiming
I said make a new set that looks visually matching with the dancer
forest magnet
maybe the new job will look good in heavy armor like drg
unique verge
But their objective is to even out the job balance among the armor types
not create more
They put it where it fit
Just like the new melee will go where it fits - Maiming.
cinder badger
Also in terms of visuals Dragoon's don't wear very heavy armor because it hinders their movements and they have to move like a dragon
unique verge
That's objectively false
cinder badger
How are you going to wear bulky plate armor and jump as high as a dragon in flight
unique verge
Like, i cant begin to describe how wrong that is
Almost every Maiming or DRG-specific set in the game is in some way "armored"
cinder badger
Yes but it's not heavy armor it's got to provide some room for movement
It uses lighter materials
unique verge
They're intended to be able to go 1v1 with dragons, and take hits from them. That's their design. They litearlly have the second highest Defense stat in the game.
cinder badger
And isn't plated like something a warrior or knight would be comfortable in
It wasn't intended to take hit from Dragon it was intended to strike dragons were they feel most comfortable which is the sky
Which is why they can jump higher than anybody else
unique verge
Nonsense
Look at basically any DRG AF set
its covered in metal
or hell, look at Maiming sets, which oftentimes are reskins of Fending sets.
drowsy ivy
its implied that DRG armors are made with lightweight metal alloys
hazy gull
Wasn't the drg floortank meme from animation locks + lowest mdef for a while
unique verge
Yeah
unique verge
floortank beacuse they cant take magic damage worth a shit
wicked bluff
Think Omega Savage will be ez by the time expansion hits?
unique verge
and because jump was a dice roll as to if you'd get stuck
hazy gull
Can take dragon claws but not their fire 😔
woven escarp
also because you had hard positionals back in the day
so if drg tried to get positionals to start combos they just died to weight of the land
unique verge
ARR DRG was hardcore
open verge
Think Omega Savage will be ez by the time expansion hits?
Should be but with the stat squish it may actually e difficult
woven escarp
or wiped the raid for putting weights where you didn't want them
on top of dying to the first tumult wave
unique verge
or backflipped off the platform
open verge
We really don’t know how the stat squish will effect unsync
wicked bluff
i was laughing hard cuz i went back to do Alex 12 savage unsynced and it still killed us
if you don't pay attention or do the mechanics
def will kill you still lol
open verge
I want to breeze past the Shb fights
woven escarp
I don't think there's any HP level where the LB mechanic can be skipped
big Z always kills you
open verge
That’s the reason why I don’t mount farm when trials are relevant
I like saving that content for the next expansion 
wicked bluff
i tried to duo living liquid savage with my in game wife, unsynced and we almost did it but that part where it splits?
lol if you don't kill it on time, you automatically die
gaunt star
omega savage is easy enough ppl cheese patch and jump off for hello world and still skip hw2
deft burrow
DRG armour is mostly plated but it uses lighter materials
wicked bluff
do you guys think any chance of a new race?
deft burrow
Its also designed to have elements of spikes on it in case the DRG gets eaten.
No @wicked bluff
They said they won't add new races
Might get male viera and female hrothgar though
wicked bluff
i see
man i'm excited
i didn't know what to expect with shadowbringers
and this one is just.,.. all hyped
woven escarp
¯_(ツ)_/¯
cinder badger
@wicked bluff there was never any hint that they were going to add the male and female variants people are just hoping that they somehow care about their constant nagging
open verge
Added the missing genders is the equivalent of adding the new races
woven escarp
there's little chance of the opposite gender hrothgar/viera
deft burrow
Not at all @open verge
open verge
It’s not like opposite genders is easier then a new race
wicked bluff
lo lbecause we aer goin to the moon..
woven escarp
since those two races in particular were added in place of a single new race with a M/F distinction
wicked bluff
They gonna add namingway's race
deft burrow
They've specifically said they aren't adding new races
wicked bluff
i see
open verge
Yea I’m saying the missing genders is still work they don’t want to do
deft burrow
That leaves the possibility for male/female variants
Yeah yeah
I'm not saying its gonna happen
woven escarp
adding opposite gender hroth/viera requires a shitload of additional work
deft burrow
But it can
woven escarp
like, they can't even get helms to work with the races they have already
open verge
The reason for no new races isn’t because they don’t want anymore it’s because they don’t want to making more gear sets for races
woven escarp
adding two more broken ones
cinder badger
@wicked bluff designing an NPC race that they don't have to scale for every single piece of armor in the entire game is a lot different than designing a playable race that will have access to every piece of armor ever made in the game
open verge
We will be fucking lucky if hrothgar gets new hair 6.0
deft burrow
I mean you can use existing male au'ra skeletons/models for male viera
unique verge
As i've said many times
woven escarp
on top of that, it needs to have every piece of armor in the game and a full animation rig that supports any job ability animation
deft burrow
Problem is the animations
unique verge
The moment that ||Gunnhildr was shown as a femroe with cat eyes|| the idea of fem hroth died.
woven escarp
I mean you can use existing male au'ra skeletons/models for male viera
most of the creeps out there are looking for female au ra size/rigging for male viera
because smol bunboy, just like my shitty shoujo anime
deft burrow
lmao
open verge
I want a fucking character creator overhaul before new races
wicked bluff
what's wrong with fem au'ra's ;;
cinder badger
How long has shadowbringers been out now
open verge
Character creator in this game fucking stinks
deft burrow
almost 2 years
woven escarp
au'ra F sucks
cinder badger
Like 2 years 3 years?
deft burrow
it came out july 2019
cinder badger
Yeah 2 years
woeful dagger
MMO expansions are typically on a 2 year cycle
woven escarp
they're tiny and everyone worships them because they're basically XL lalafell
open verge
I don’t like fem aura they have ugly faces
woven escarp
gross
open verge
I just don’t like the aura face
wicked bluff
really? i've seen some pretty derpy lookin faces
deft burrow
male au'ra have worse faces tho @open verge
open verge
The concepts of fem au ra makes me hate the ones we have
unique verge
As always, with relation to these things
cinder badger
2 years and people still can't stop with the gender lock thing
unique verge
I like fem au ra NPC's. I fucking hate fem au ra players.
woven escarp
the creeps will never let the manbun go
gaunt star
Hildibrand has best face. 
woven escarp
because they want a smol bunboy to fetishize
deft burrow
I mean the only reason male viera is still getting talked about is because of the concept art that we know exists for it
cinder badger
@woven escarp that actually would be funny if it wasn't painfully true
woven escarp
if there's one thing FFXIV's community can be reliably called, it's thirsty
deft burrow
horny
unique verge
if there's one thing FFXIV's community can be reliably called, it's thirsty
degenerate
violet maple
Hroth lady draws in furries
open verge
Short bunny supremacy
woeful dagger
if there's one thing FFXIV's community can be reliably called, it's thirsty
I don't think it's any more thirsty than other MMO communities
unique verge
It is ridiculously more thirsty and degenerate than all other MMO communities
open verge
The thing with ff14 is that the gear could be way hornier then it is
woeful dagger
idk WoW has a massive yas queen thirst campaign for Sylvanas that transcends anything in FF14
wicked bluff
unique verge
Its literally advertised in public with no restrictions
open verge
Ff14 gear doesn’t go full horny at all
unique verge
idk WoW has a massive yas queen thirst campaign for Sylvanas that transcends any...
People simping over a lore character is not the same as literal erp ads everywhere
deft burrow
2b @open verge
woven escarp
I mean, XIV is degenerate in extreme ways
people having dungeons and shit in their FC housing
woeful dagger
People simping over a lore character is not the same as literal erp ads everywhe...
Oh then you haven't been to Moon Guard or Wyrmrest Accord yet lol
gaunt star
People roleplaying in DF.
woven escarp
shit you'd get hard slapped in the face for if you tried to talk about it in person
gaunt star
And it's always a tank x healer combo.
woven escarp
people are like "yo lemme get some of that"
unique verge
Oh then you haven't been to Moon Guard or Wyrmrest Accord yet lol
Those places have nothing on FF14
gaunt star
cinder badger
@woeful dagger wyrmrest used to be wholesome and peaceful
Then they ruined it forever
woeful dagger
I get CE on Wyrmrest every tier it's wild
violet maple
As someone who plays worgen in wow, sylvanas must die
open verge
I watched preach latest drama time story it was about ff14 and I got second hand embarrassment
wicked bluff
you guys think we may get another 8 man main scenario in ENW
cinder badger
I was an orc Shaman I always hated The Forsaken
gaunt star
72 man.
unique verge
I watched preach latest drama time story it was about ff14 and I got second hand...
No spoilers! But, Drama Time is great
woeful dagger
My Rogue and Shaman have been pretty much every race in the game multiple times over
wicked bluff
Lol 72 man it is
open verge
The story was about ||shiva ||and him seeing the character design of ||shiva ||made me feel ashamed LOL
woeful dagger
what's wrong with her character design
wicked bluff
I tried Viera on launch for SHB
As much as a iloved it... i hated the lack of helmet options
😢
woeful dagger
I'm a Viera cause they have the best run animation in the game
wicked bluff
fem highlanders look too derpy and... just ugh
cinder badger
I don't really wear helmets anyway
wicked bluff
no thanks
woeful dagger
Female Roes run like they are holding in a shit
woven escarp
they look that way because they are stupid lmao
wicked bluff
ooga booga
woven escarp
their animations are basically "I have no idea what's going on but I'm having a good time"
wicked bluff
me want nobleman
cinder badger
But as I middy Paladin I wear a crown
woeful dagger
Fordola is the best Highlander character by far
wicked bluff
i hope they give paladin a badass move
cinder badger
I wear the crown of light and the Ivalice holy knight armor
woeful dagger
I wear the crown of light and the Ivalice holy knight armor
i've been into the Yorha armor
open verge
Just like fray in shb
open verge
I have been using the caster void ark gear to look like fischl from genshin impact
tardy elm
Will Fordola join the scions?💡
violet maple
Is genshin freemium?
open verge
woeful dagger
Fordola will have a heroic death to dispel the Resonant in Zenos because SE is predictable writing
cinder badger
@woeful dagger my character is from Ilsabard and has been all over the world learning the sword. When she came to Eorzea she became a free Paladin
open verge
Yes but it also sucks
woeful dagger
Genshin is free for the first 20~ hours of play time
Then you hit a brick wall with exploration level or w/e
woven escarp
I just want to see more fordola REEEE
wicked bluff
i'm kinda happy this trailer came out, makes me wanna play again
tardy elm
Yotsuyu should join the scions
wicked bluff
i took a big break
violet maple
So freemium
wicked bluff
i guess maybe other did too
violet maple
Yotsuyu's corpse for scions
woven escarp
I did 😔
woeful dagger
I took most of ShB off cause I was playing WoW
cinder badger
Hello being able to topple the garlean empire for good is a big plus for my character
wicked bluff
sometimes a break makes you miss the game so much
when you come back it feels almost new again
woven escarp
but I also ended up taking a big break because I hard ground every job to 80 during quarantine
that's a lot of XIV man
tardy elm
Ystride is the new antecedent 💡
wicked bluff
i took a big break before SHB too
i think that's why i was SO upset at the warrior nerf
because i got so adjusted to it
and RDM got a bad nerf too
cinder badger
Also she loves fruit
woeful dagger
should just have swapped to GNB like me
wicked bluff
heh i did actually
woeful dagger
Also she loves fruit
Grapes?
wicked bluff
GNB and DRK are my current faves
cinder badger
Absolutely
woeful dagger
I'm seriously considering swapping to healer in EW cause its so hard to find Statics on Crystal as a tank.
wicked bluff
i like PLD but needs a big boost imo
cinder badger
And that was before I found out about Azem
woeful dagger
Like 90% of Statics on the Alpha Discord need healers
wicked bluff
weird that HW was DRG
gaunt star
WAR gettin' nerfed. 
woeful dagger
I was WAR from ARR to ShB actually lol
I lived and died by that Job, through all the terribleness of ARR and HW
wicked bluff
WAR was so good in SB
orchid plinth
Soo ffiv is now the theme..... YAAAASSSSS😭 🥳
woven escarp
did you play war when it was bad?
member when inner beast was just a 300 potency heal and no damage reduction?
spiral trail
wait is WAR getting boosted or nerfed
cinder badger
Paladin. I played everything else and have multiple maxed jobs but I always gravitate toward Paladin because it's the true hero
woeful dagger
I played WAR when you weren't even invited to groups
Back before the Job stacking limit gauge penalty
ruby hull
seems like we won't learn about existing job changes until late summer or something
woeful dagger
so PLD/PLD was the only 'meta' comp
wicked bluff
idk but WAR and PLD need buffs
woven escarp
pld... buffs? 🤔
spiral trail
lol tbh I feel like WAR is in a good place
gaunt star
PLD for AOE heals.
spiral trail
nearly indestructible at times
gaunt star
cinder badger
@woven escarp I love where Paladin is at right now it's the best it's ever been it actually has a much better identity as a Holy Knight
ruby hull
PLD needs to get a trait so that Clemency can be used within a raid scenario
cinder badger
So I don't want them to change a whole lot
spiral trail
eh, I enjoy WAR because it's so chill
woeful dagger
I only swapped to GNB from WAR because after so long on one Job it's nice to do something new
tardy elm
Pld needs@more glowing weapons
wicked bluff
hm
spiral trail
a half-decent rock could play WAR
wicked bluff
Maybe I should keep working on my relic
woeful dagger
I'm farming ST right now for mine
wicked bluff
yeah old ass relic but it looks very good
woeful dagger
WAR lux is "meh"
tardy elm
Will we find out what Oriange@did to the Modimbra minions?
cinder badger
Something always happens at the last stages of every expansion I get and I'm forced to be away from the game
So I have never finished a single relic weapon to the end
gaunt star
omega tank chest is forever glam bis
woeful dagger
is that the Scaeven set 🤔
gaunt star
no
tardy elm
Need more bikinis 💡
woeful dagger
I like the Eureka tank set
gaunt star
omega chest is this one
woeful dagger
rocking this right now
cinder badger
Why does some of the EW music give me Alex vibes?
gaunt star
cause it's by the primals
wicked bluff
hoping moon armor is glowy and cool lookin like this
cinder badger
But something else familiar about it....
spiral trail
lol is the short form really gonna be EW
cinder badger
Not even the vocal bits
tardy elm
Why do males turn into@female sin eaters? 💡
woeful dagger
Sin Eaters don't have a gender i don't think
cinder badger
The music I swear sounds like I heard in a dungeon or raid somwhere
woeful dagger
I was disappointed the 2P fight music was just a remix of the standard battle music
tardy elm
Where are the Male pixies and male Vieras?
gaunt star
Where are the Male pixies and male Vieras?
viscid glade
I was disappointed the 2P fight music was just a remix of the standard battle mu...
i mean thats the theme they went for in copied as well
we'll get a remix for 3rd raid too i think
woeful dagger
Where are the Male pixies and male Vieras?
? we've talked to both male and female pixies
the pixie in the MSQ with voice lines (not Ul) is male for instance
cinder badger
We all know why Azem is on the moon, yeah?
shell merlin
To find water
gaunt star
Yoshi talked to me in my dreams last night.
When I asked him about male Viera, all he said was
cinder badger
Tasty moon grapes.
gaunt star
And then I woke up. 
shell merlin
Male viera plz
craggy gale
I hope it's a remix of a nier 1 track
craggy gale
shadowlord with voice samples of kaine swearing at weiss
woeful dagger
ive never played tomato but which tracks in Yorha are remixes of tomato songs? or are they all just kinda "machine-y" ff14 tracks?
cinder badger
Azem just wants them tasty moon grapes.
Zenos told him they were there as a joke and when he found out he swore to bring him to justice, hence the pose at the end.
Don't fk with Azem's grapes.
woeful dagger
isnt Azem a girl or did i read it wrong
cinder badger
Azem is whatever you are
woeful dagger
i always knew she was a bun
worn bloom
It's a pretty genderless name.
cinder badger
The WoL is Azem
worn bloom
Could even be a pixar mom ;p
woeful dagger
it all makes sense
https://youtube.com/shorts/K1v8SnHVyWE
cinder badger
Those AREN'T GRAPES!
craggy gale
They should let okabe used the voice distortion he used for the drakengard songs
for maximum
cinder badger
Hey that part of the song at the end what if it isn't "yeah"
What if it's the sound of people upset with things they didn't get so it's their collective "REEEEEEEEEE"
floral aurora
5.0 GNB/DNC
Fans: Best new jobs!
6.0 Sage/Reaper
Fans: 
cinder badger
Zenos just looked at everyone down below and said "No male Viera" and the people started burning Garlemald down.
floral aurora
Loving the story!
worn bloom
If I may ask, and please don't hurt me. And I don't care if male Viera ever became a thing or not. Is there a particular reason people want them so badly?
cinder badger
So they can fetishize them
floral aurora
SE: Fall 2021
Luke Skywalker: Nooooooo! Noooooooopoo....
oak pike
cat boys want a new race
floral aurora
Hats First
worn bloom
If it exists someone is into it.
floral aurora
Bunny boys and bunny girls...yeah that's going to go well in cities xD
gaunt star
There are like 3 different mutually exclusive fantasies for male viera so a decent number of people want them but most people would end up being unhappy with them
woven escarp
the only way male viera would be worth adding in my eyes is if they made them horrendous fanged ugly ass creatures that are taller than hrothgar and very beast-like
just to shit on all the fujoshi who want dainty femboys with bunny ears
worn bloom
So you can watch the tears flow?
woven escarp
yes
forest magnet
half of hte people who want male viera want it to fulfill their sexual desires smh
worn bloom
I can do that without paying a subscription.
craggy gale
all of them
forest magnet
you can rp without paying a sub but here we are glances at balmung
mossy iron
Pft
gaunt star
half of hte people who want male viera want it to fulfill their sexual desires s...
FFXIV in a nutshell.
floral aurora
Lmao
thin crypt
male roe with bunny ears there you have male viera
worn bloom
I like big dudes so I can't really complain what people find attractive.
mossy iron
Actually, I thought lore-wise male Viera are smaller?
woven escarp
do they ever give you that much information?
woeful dagger
half of hte people who want male viera want it to fulfill their sexual desires s...
The other half want them added so the one half just shuts up lol
i'm in that camp
mossy iron
Pft
worn bloom
I'm in the camp that doesn't care either way.
woven escarp
as far as I knew the bunboy thing is because it's someone's fetish
forest magnet
if you want the male viera to be twinks you automatically fall under the fetish camp
woven escarp
and if male viera are huge nasty creatures then it ruins their mac and cheese session
worn bloom
As long as they don't shove their fetish in my face I don't care.
gaunt star
6.0 enables you to marry NPCs.
Have to log in every 45 days and click on NPC or they divorce.
woven escarp
well, as long as people keep campaigning for bunboy they're absolutely shoving their fetish in your face
gaunt star
1 NPC per player per world.
cinder badger
The fire that Fandango was staring into was made with all the belts collected.
woeful dagger
I don't get where this comes from either because there's nothing in lore in any part of any of the Ivalice games that states male Viera are dimorphicly smaller than females.
woven escarp
"hi, I'm thirsty itchypants from balmung, when are you adding male viera"
worn bloom
There isn't even artwork of them.
woven escarp
there's some concept art for viera from when they were prototyping au ra
and they're much more beastlike
especially male viera
worn bloom
I got a feeling that isn't what they have in mind.
teal geyser
woeful dagger
is it this line?
Final Fantasy XIV gives exposition to the elusive male viera, who are virtually identical at birth to females; only upon maturing they are able to be identified gender wise.
teal geyser
a few even
worn bloom
Tbh
Not sure how a Chemist would operate animation wise.
Imagine the amount of glass in peoples eyes.
deft burrow
Chemist seems kinda boring, but I can understand the potential complexity that it could have
mossy iron
Or the glass everywhere
worn bloom
I think people wanted Chemist because it'd be a different kind of healer thematically.
mossy iron
XD
woeful dagger
best part about FF12 was them making a lore-relevant reason they only wear high heels lmao
mossy iron
Pffft
worn bloom
Instead of twirly magical girl casting
woeful dagger
Sage is different too
worn bloom
It is
woeful dagger
Fits the expansion as well
worn bloom
Which is why I'm interesting
woeful dagger
Since we're going to Garlemald
worn bloom
I'm interested*
woeful dagger
I wonder if the trainer will be an ex-Garlean
woeful dagger
if that were true then how are we so SLOPPEH?
worn bloom
What if
cinder badger
@woeful dagger sage is likely Sharlayan
teal geyser
I wonder if the trainer will be an ex-Garlean
I big doubt
worn bloom
Instead of Asahi, Fandaniel took SHLOPPEH instead.
balmy mesa
super saiya... oh, wrong universe
mossy iron
Pffft
cinder badger
Garlean's don't know magic, I don't think Nuoliths are magitek
woeful dagger
does it only look Sharlayan cause Alphinaud is using it though
mossy iron
Nuoliths are used by manipulating the aether
woeful dagger
But I think an introduction to a Garlean-themed Job would probably come from Gaius
mossy iron
I thought
deft burrow
We're probably going to Sharlaya for the space ship and that's where the twins will get make overs
worn bloom
That also aided the speculation of Chemist.
woeful dagger
do we know anything about Nuoliths lol
worn bloom
I imagine Garleans would have their own method of treating wounds that doesn't come from a spellcaster.
deft burrow
it uses magic
mossy iron
whistles a la Yondu
teal geyser
does it only look Sharlayan cause Alphinaud is using it though
Alphinaud using it, the term sage and it's connotations, the fact that they used Gubal Library to showcase it
so many things
deft burrow
and it seems to have a propulsion type style
woeful dagger
yeah idk Sage makes sense to me in terms of "oh its magical robot guns that float around and shoot healing beams at wounded" which Garleans would need to treat their soldiers
deft burrow
wouldn't be surprised if the Nouliths use the same type of mechanism as the space ship thruster.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
cinder badger
@woeful dagger It's hard for them to do somethg Garlean because Garleans physically can't use any magic, no aether manipulation. So soul crystals probably wouldn't be involved either.
mossy iron
Pft
pine plinth
pretty sure nouliths is stolen from nu gundam. yoshi is a notorious gundam fan
woven escarp
magitek robot guns that fly around and heal allies
woeful dagger
<@109377329444159488> It's hard for them to do somethg Garlean because Garleans ...
Garlean forces cast Cure and Paralyze all the time 
woven escarp
conscripted garleans
teal geyser
pretty sure nouliths is stolen from nu gundam. yoshi is a notorious gundam fan
he said "totally original guys"
woven escarp
no pureblood garleans cast magic
teal geyser
idk what you're on about
pine plinth
but he said it so faceteiously
cinder badger
Are they pure blooded Garlean?
teal geyser
no pureblood garleans cast magic
Well it's said to be "VERY RARE"
mossy iron
Garlean forces aren't all born Garlean
cinder badger
Like Cid or Nero?
mossy iron
Conscription
woeful dagger
well who says the person who teaches us has to be pureblood or that the Garleans couldn't create their own Aether-oriented "job" using conscripts?
woven escarp
which is cheating
teal geyser
none that we meet, I guess
well.....I do believe Livia can cast cure
gaunt star
GAR class when?
woeful dagger
Zenos can use it even before Resonant because he's from an unsundered anyways
woven escarp
🤔 I don't remember seeing lucia casting healing magic
are you sure it isn't aqua vitae?
cinder badger
@woeful dagger because every other race that can use magic is treated as a Savage and not really a garleanjust conquered by the Garlean
teal geyser
I'm pretty sure she uses cure but you could argue it's just gameplay
mossy iron
Technically, any race that can summon an eikon is a savage to Garleans
woven escarp
garleans can self-heal but it's usually second wind (mnk type) or aqua vitae (high ranking ones)
maiden lodge
does it only look Sharlayan cause Alphinaud is using it though
job preview took place in Gubal with a jazzy uptempo remix of the Gubal and Antitower themes
woeful dagger
<@109377329444159488> because every other race that can use magic is treated as ...
Yeah but we have Gabranth who views everyone as equal
teal geyser
Gabranth smells
gaunt star
Aldis the Gladiator still uses Flash.
teal geyser
also a minority
woven escarp
gabranth smells like viera feet 
mossy iron
Eww
cinder badger
Garleans learned to adapt to life with NO magic, they see Magic as a weakness and a blight on the world
maiden lodge
Zenos can use it even before Resonant because he's from an unsundered anyways
no, he literally has to have a special tool to even be able to access the aether fo the swords.
teal geyser
Garleans learned to adapt to life with NO magic, they see Magic as a weakness an...
Nooo not a weakness
gaunt star
Only a man of power can adapt to life with NO magic.
cinder badger
Isn't Gabranth Dalmascan?
woven escarp
only a man of true power can conquer the world without the shortcuts of magic
gaunt star
"from" an unsundered 🤔
mossy iron
Emet was his gpa
brisk quail
Only a man of power can adapt to life with NO magic.
*garlea-man
woeful dagger
Cats is making the "from" meme we had earlier
gaunt star
Apparently I did too
cinder badger
@teal geyser magic is evil in Garlemald. Magic gave rise to Eikons and ruined the world.
somber storm
Garlemald is Demacia
mossy iron
An Ascians showed beast tribes how to summon to begin with
So they just started the damn war
It's alllllll Ascians
teal geyser
<@207811544925339648> magic is evil in Garlemald. Magic gave rise to Eikons and ...
.....yes they think primals bad but no they don't think magick necessarily bad
woven escarp
yes, because that's the point of the exercise
teal geyser
if they did think magic was bad they wouldn't fucking employ them everywhere
woven escarp
is that why dirk gently didn't get a third season? 😔
cinder badger
@teal geyser you mean the Savages that do all the grunt work
Because those magic people right so beneath them they need to learn to use technology
woeful dagger
It's alllllll Ascians
Turtles all the way down
woven escarp
the savage do all the shit work, yes
teal geyser
....you make it sound like somehow calling those people grunts somehow invalidates what I just said Yayayo
woeful dagger
It's also worth noting that the entire notion that the Garleans hate magic users has been torn asunder with the revelation the entire empire is nothing but an Ascian plot and all their values and teachings were just to further an evil goal.
gaunt star
It's alllllll Ascians
Always has been.
cinder badger
Isn't it because magic users try to conquer them or push them out of their homes
woeful dagger
Garleans themselves will probably undergo a cultural change in EW
teal geyser
Isn't it because magic users try to conquer them or push them out of their homes
Yes
but like
woeful dagger
Especially as we more than likely liberate the Capitol from Zenos.
teal geyser
they still don't think magick automatically is evil
they just think everyone is a right ol dick
random ravine
Garleans themselves will probably undergo a cultural change in EW
garleans will go from the oppressor to the oppressed
woven escarp
just in time for zenos to blow it apart and destroy the area
random ravine
everyone in eorzea is going to persecute the garleans
mossy iron
Splody
woven escarp
BROTHER! IT'S BEEN TOO LONG!
gaunt star
garleans will go from the oppressor to the oppressed
Enter Garlemald restoration.
woeful dagger
I just want magiteck-themed housing
random ravine
Enter Garlemald restoration. <:happyhildy:234057836299026432>
nah, they will make garleans into a beast tribe
floral aurora
I'm hoping 6.0 is way longer than 5.0. If this is the end of first two Primals
woven escarp
you enjoy all the killing, that's why
gaunt star
Male viera should be a beast tribe.
teal geyser
Enter Garlemald restoration. <:happyhildy:234057836299026432>
10.0
tardy elm
How old is Gaia?
teal geyser
about Ryne's age
tardy elm
How old is Ryne?
teal geyser
probably 16 ish
gaunt star
^
floral aurora
Empire is dead, long live a new age in 7.0
woeful dagger
I'm hoping 6.0 is way longer than 5.0. If this is the end of first two Primals
Then we learn about an even older "proto-primal" that preceeds even the Ancients!
😮
teal geyser
They never give her an exact age
random ravine
Then we learn about an even older "proto-primal" that preceeds even the Ancients...
midgarsomnir
tardy elm
How old is Alissae?
cinder badger
The true enemy were the belts
teal geyser
16
random ravine
was a priimal this whole time
woeful dagger
The Twins are 17 in ShB
teal geyser
Well
woeful dagger
So likely 18 going into EW
tiny wind
how old is derplander
cinder badger
Alisae is mine
floral aurora
Then we learn about an even older "proto-primal" that preceeds even the Ancients...
I still think that guy is using Zenos and there's something even darker over the horizon
gaunt star
Alphy is going to be a legal eagle now.
teal geyser
I MEAN THEY ARENT 17
untold gull
Alisae is mine
tiny wind
edit button 
woeful dagger
They are "16" in the Source but they were in the First long enough to have aged to 17 physically.
teal geyser
they are still 16
teal geyser
They are "16" in the Source but they were in the First long enough to have aged ...
soul does not mean physically
you idiot
random ravine
Alisae is mine
u can have aliseaie, i'll take y'shtola
woven escarp
their physical bodies haven't changed
gaunt star
Alisae is mine
She can handle herself, you know.
woeful dagger
If that were true then dying in the game wouldn't mean dying in real life
teal geyser
Their physical body is literally just days older
tardy elm
Is a 16 yo elf the same as a 16 yo hyur?
mossy iron
Days?
stark girder
Think we can assume there will be another class released with EW?
untold gull
not days...
gaunt star
u can have aliseaie, i'll take y'shtola
Nu-uh, Y'shtola is mine.
woven escarp
isn't shadowbringers only over the span of a month or two
gaunt star
😠
teal geyser
Is a 16 yo elf the same as a 16 yo hyur?
elezen have puberty a bit later which is why the twins are still smol, otherwise not really
untold gull
yeah, it was a month or so
cinder badger
@untold gull back off!
random ravine
Nu-uh, Y'shtola is mine.
dude i called dibs first
mossy iron
I could have sworn it was at least a few months on the Source
random ravine
u can have her after
teal geyser
I could have sworn it was at least a few months on the Source
Nothing really says that but if you want to imagine that be my guest
tardy elm
Yshitola is oldy McOld
mossy iron
shruggy time is weird
random ravine
Yshitola is oldy McOld
that's even better
woven escarp
no, because they start getting worried that it's been a few weeks since the scions got yoinked and their souls have been pulled away from the body for too long
teal geyser
*shruggy* time is weird
will never get past a year
forest magnet
we don't know Y'shtola's age
woeful dagger
I don't think they ever used a strict time frame like "weeks"
woeful dagger
Just that it's been "a while" or "a long time"
mossy iron
No, I mean between the Source and the First
teal geyser
we don't know Y'shtola's age
she has to be around 32
forest magnet
it's not listed in EE
teal geyser
when you do the math
gaunt star
😳
mossy iron
Wibbly wobbly, toney wimey
woven escarp
I'm pretty sure there's a time skip in heavensward too, after aymeric gets stabbed there's a leap between "get stabbed" and "we have a somewhat working and stable government now"
woeful dagger
anyone remember when Vaan asks for Fran's age
gaunt star
Y'shtola being 32. 😳
woeful dagger
that was the only good cutscene in FF12
teal geyser
it's not listed in EE
yes but what is mentioned is what she does at what age and for how long
flat merlin
teal geyser
she has to be around 32
tardy elm
How old is that Little Sun guy who asked Yshitola out?
floral aurora
Yshtola vs Alisae. Who is best Waifu? XD
mossy iron
Magnai
gaunt star
Y'shtola.
floral aurora
XD
teal geyser
Yshtola vs Alisae. Who is best Waifu? XD
only one is legal
somber storm
Late 20s or something
floral aurora
Lmao
cinder badger
Alisaie crying in ShB
random ravine
Yshtola vs Alisae. Who is best Waifu? XD
sadu
gaunt star
Alisaie will grow up to be that woman that never comes back home.
woeful dagger
Probably the only true humor they've had in an FF game
gaunt star
Straddling you with the kid and bills.
floral aurora
gaunt star
tardy elm
So Yshitola is late 20s?
teal geyser
Late 20s or something
27
cinder badger
@floral aurora Alisaie of course
woeful dagger
Urianger is an unsundered so is ageless. Book it.
gaunt star
I want to hear this.
somber storm
Yshtola and Thancred are more or less the same age so
teal geyser
I want to hear this.
my thing?
somber storm
Urianger is 28
floral aurora
<@231625232199188480> Alisaie of course
Right on!
woeful dagger
Urianger chooses to appear 28
somber storm
He young old
gaunt star
Tyt, I need to go get something to eat. 
woeful dagger
Urianger was able to traverse to the plane of the Ascians at the behest of Lahabrea so pretty sure he's more than just a really smart dude
mossy iron
Pft
tardy elm
How old is the Azure Dragoon?
mossy iron
"She claimed to be 23 since reaching that age"
untold gull
google says thancred is 32, y'shtola is 23
lapis seal
thancred looks older but not that much older..
woeful dagger
i would never want to stay 23
mossy iron
Thancred is not ageing like Gaius
woeful dagger
because 23 year olds are dumb
tardy elm
Doesn’t Alphinaud have the hots for Estinien?
random ravine
who the fuck cares how old y'shtola is
woven escarp
that's very unpog that they had such a limited supply of fanfest hoodies
gaunt star
Doesn’t Alphinaud have the hots for Estinien?
😳
woven escarp
I put that shit off for the weekend and I missed out REEE
lapis seal
Doesn’t Alphinaud have the hots for Estinien?
i mean who doesnt immaright?
woeful dagger
i should get an FF14 hoodie. someone recommend me one.
tardy elm
How old is Estinien?
woeful dagger
That's how we getting to the moon
Taking the Fanfest whale?
random ravine
How old is Estinien?
mid-late twenties
mossy iron
He gonna jump us there
gaunt star
We're riding Estinien
😳
woeful dagger
EW is gated behind buying the 8-seat Whale mount + the expansion
mossy iron
DRG jump
woeful dagger
80 dollar entry fee
tardy elm
Why does Estinien have white hair if he’s only 20?
gaunt star
Anime.
random ravine
Why does Estinien have white hair if he’s only 20?
because he's elf
mossy iron
points to Cid
tardy elm
lol
woeful dagger
because when Dragoons absorb dragon essence it does something to them
i believe is the lore reason
teal geyser
Tyt, I need to go get something to eat. <:uwucarby:588388854755491860>
So she trains under Matoya at age 7, she trains with her for "a decade" which could be rounded but let's take that as 10 years exactly, that puts her at age 17 when she finishes her teaching and she joins the circle of knowing as a founding member, this group was founded in 1562, the year is 1577 now, 1577-1562 = 15
15+17 = 32
This of course assumes "a decade" is not rounded but that's why I say "around 32" to compensate for that
mossy iron
Then just reverses the numbers and is 23 again
teal geyser
Right
woeful dagger
the Circle of Knowing is really bad at knowing what the fuck is going on
woeful dagger
when you think about it
teal geyser
Then just reverses the numbers and is 23 again
once she is 27 she'll start saying she's 72
tardy elm
Alisae and Urianger should get married
teal geyser
um
somber storm
No
mossy iron
XD
teal geyser
teal geyser
Urianger is taken.
by a ghost
woeful dagger
https://tenor.com/view/f-bi-raid-swat-gif-11500735
17 is legal in 99% of the world anyways