ryne and gaia are done.
6.0 is new shit
#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
brisk quail
It felt fake and hollow
prime verge
Please Jesus P make this happen I’m begging-
untold gull
Nah, i don't think so. He's chilling in the void
heady shadow
Moons Haunted
maiden lodge
That's more than some relationships I had as a teen
cinder badger
Emet Selch... how very unlike you
brisk quail
Still
teal geyser
That's more than some relationships I had as a teen
I feel you
cinder badger
Two err so gravely
unborn lantern
Zenos: What are you?
turbid helm
it's almost as if gaia and ryne are teenagers...
unborn lantern
WoL: I AM ALL THE ASCIAN
prime verge
Pls don’t do this to my babies Gaia and ryne 😭😭
maiden lodge
'Hey we like the same oxygen' 'Let's hang out'
brisk quail
That's more than some relationships I had as a teen
Relationships are for losers. Be a virgin forever. Obtain wizard powers
unborn lantern
cinder badger
What I want to know is will the warrior of light achieve Ultra instinct
turbid helm
only in the dragon ball alliance raid
maiden lodge
What I want to know is will the warrior of light achieve Ultra instinct
No just basic instinct
unborn lantern
Gaia can literally slow time
heady shadow
Hmm would emet pull himself out of the void to help us? prob not.
he finally got his vacation.
fuck them kids
maiden lodge
Hmm would emet pull himself out of the void to help us? prob not.
he finally got...
I mean, a second time
heady shadow
well...
teal geyser
Relationships are for losers. Be a virgin forever. Obtain wizard powers
return to monke
unborn lantern
fk em all ugly kids
topaz dune
Emet would probably abusing Fanny if he came back
topaz dune
unborn lantern
they look like aliens
prime verge
Hmm would emet pull himself out of the void to help us? prob not.
he finally got...
I mean... is that even possible lol, would that fuck with established lore of ascian death
unborn lantern
NOT CUTE
brisk quail
return to monke
Don't givb into those desires. Resist. Obtain the power that is rightfully yours
cinder badger
Final fight against Zenos just hit him with the last surprise
untold gull
Honestly, the thing with Ryne and Gaia was fine because you gotta remember that Ryne hasn't been a teenager the entire expac and was essentially learning to be one and then she found this other girl about her age and of course, she wanted to be friends with her
maiden lodge
I mean... is that even possible lol, would that fuck with established lore of as...
Emet did not die like most ascians do. He wasn't trapped in anything, he wasn't eaten. He died, and returned to the life stream, like everyone else.
turbid helm
emet narrating the trailer doesn't give me the impression he's gonna make an appearance. he's just drawing a comparison between the final days and what fan's doing to the world
cinder badger
He'll never see it coming
heady shadow
I mean... is that even possible lol, would that fuck with established lore of as...
he's basically the lord of the dead iirc.
maiden lodge
So, he can do a Haurchefant
prime verge
If emet comes back in any way they’re gonna have a lot of explaining to do
brisk quail
bitch
maiden lodge
Emet CAN come back as a new person, like Gaia did
topaz dune
Emet: I come back from the Lifestream enjoying my great afterlfie only to find out a spoiled entitled brat wishes to stain our past to satisfy his petty desires
turbid helm
if emet does come back, it might be in a similar capacity of ardbert, to just drop advice on us before fucking off again
maiden lodge
New kid scion
topaz dune
prime verge
Emet did not die like most ascians do. He wasn't trapped in anything, he wasn't...
This is true but the wol literally shot him through the soul
maiden lodge
slouchy and sarcastic
maiden lodge
This is true but the wol literally shot him through the soul
We shot lahabrea with the same shit, didn't take.
austere bear
I want a meme of WoL walking around the moon imprinting the Square enix logo everywhere
turbid helm
slouchy and sarcastic
best boi
prime verge
if emet does come back, it might be in a similar capacity of ardbert, to just dr...
I feel like this would cheapen his role in shb
topaz dune
^
unborn lantern
Lahab isn't dead, he was sealed.
turbid helm
I feel like this would cheapen his role in shb
agreed, I'd prefer him to stay dead
brisk quail
He should stay dead
austere bear
i agree
maiden lodge
Emet -accepted- death, so he gets to go to the lifestream and join the rest of us mortals in reincarnation
topaz dune
Lahabread is a meme as this point
maiden lodge
That's poetic and fair.
turbid helm
unborn lantern
Lahab gonna slap fandaniel for abandoning their goal
cinder badger
I don't care what they do as far as final boss songs go I don't think anything will ever top "To the Edge"
heady shadow
here, I'll ask.
would you leave the game if he came back in some small compacity? No? then I wouldnt worry.
untold gull
Everyone says that, and yet every new song it's like 'this is the best song ever'
cinder badger
Because deep inside we're nothing more
maiden lodge
The thing is, they won't bring him back
prime verge
We shot lahabrea with the same shit, didn't take.
Yeah but isn’t it true that laha used a crystal to escape b4 we killed him in arr, he died by being absorbed into nidhogg’s eye and then being stabbed. Emet literally had a hole blasted through his soul, hard to come back from that
turbid helm
well I didn't think anything would top the ShB theme until I heard To The Edge
maiden lodge
They'd bring Ysayle back before Emet
heady shadow
^
untold gull
Don't even
cinder badger
Than Scions and Sinners
brisk quail
Punches a hole 6 inches wide in lahee bread
SUCH DEVESTATION. THIS WAS MY INTENTION
turbid helm
don't you dare speak her name
untold gull
I suddenly remembered that one scene... Ysayle and Haurchefant...
maiden lodge
Yeah but isn’t it true that laha used a crystal to escape b4 we killed him in ar...
Lahabrea got away because Ascians that die evade being reabsorbed into the lifestream through their command of the echo.
turbid helm
he already is
maiden lodge
Emet has that command.
untold gull
maiden lodge
Emet -chose- not to use it.
cinder badger
Where's my Alisaie romance?
unborn lantern
Emet be using someone elses body though..
turbid helm
emet is the sexy, pessimistic grandfather we never had
prime verge
Lahabrea got away because Ascians that die evade being reabsorbed into the lifes...
Is the echo not hydaelyn’s blessing tho
topaz dune
Shtola is prob gonna die for the 3rd or 4th time in this expansion
untold gull
I like the idea that emet just decided to chill in the void tho
topaz dune
maiden lodge
Emet be using someone elses body though..
Don't matter, that's not relevant to how ascian deathlessness works
worn bloom
Emet Selch as a custom delivery.
unborn lantern
Y'shotla died, emet-selch revived her
turbid helm
alisaie has been 16 for 5 years
untold gull
Like 'you guys got this, i know you do'
unborn lantern
if not for him, theres no y'shotla
topaz dune
Shtola died during the uldah shenanigans
gaunt star
Emet coming back 
thin crypt
topaz dune
then died again
gaunt star
Keep him gone
outer fable
Damn
brisk quail
Shtola died during the uldah shenanigans
'Die'
topaz dune
and emet broguht her back
cinder badger
How do you know my character isn't roughly the same age as her
Also I'm a lalafell if you couldn't tell by the name
brisk quail
She more did a reckless teleport that put her straight into the lifestream
outer fable
That ps5 ssd got ffxiv loading like demon souls
maiden lodge
Is the echo not hydaelyn’s blessing tho
Nope, and it never was. The echo is the power of the Ancients, though weaker form. Lahabrea, and Emet have that shit in SPADES.
Lahabrea even tells us this when he fuses with Iggy to form Ascian Prime, he tells is 'this is the echo, this is real power, you shitters need to git gud at echo to match this' (paraphraising)
unique verge
This is about to turn degenerate real fast
untold gull
Ngl, if ishikawa was to choose who dies, i really won't be surprised if it's y'shtola. Even if she was one of the few that actually gets shit done
gaunt star
Also NGL i want yshtola to die for real, but i feel like even if she did it'd be boring and not even sad
cinder badger
Alphinaud has the hots for Kryle
lusty tangle
isn't it called the echo specifically because its an "echo" of the power of the ancients
untold gull
Krile is Alphy's teacher...
gaunt star
Yshtola dying would cheapen the experience cuz ur like "any second now lol" -
maiden lodge
isn't it called the echo specifically because its an "echo" of the power of the ...
Well, not exactly, but Elidibus uses that as a metaphor to explain it.
gaunt star
Can you stop
unborn lantern
why don't we get to have an artifical echo like zenos
lets snatch his eyes
SHARINGAN
gaunt star
why don't we get to have an artifical echo like zenos
Because we have the real authentic echo
prime verge
Listen I desperately want more emet content but not by bringing him back. He got the rest he deserves, his whole point of dying was to shift the reigns and finally seeing how the people of the shards are worthy of inheriting his legacy. I want maybe emet coming back through lore or cutscenes from the past, maybe during his amaurotine days. If he had to come back in a physical way at least let it be written in a way that doesn’t destroy his character development
worn bloom
What about Tataru?
untold gull
Tataru might have something to say about that
gaunt star
We just havent utilised its full power
royal scroll
Enough fetishizing lalas please
unborn lantern
yeah, an echo that weakens us temporarily
elder isle
Don't tell me what to do lop
prime verge
Nope, and it never was. The echo is the power of the Ancients, though weaker fo...
Yes you’re right, I forgot haha. I read tales from the shadows guys don’t crucify me
teal geyser
Enough fetishizing lalas please
I leave for ONE second
maiden lodge
Listen I desperately want more emet content but not by bringing him back. He got...
I too want more Ancient lore and flashbacks, and I hope Pandaemonium delivers
unique verge
I leave for ONE second
Degens gonna degen
gaunt star
Well zenos died so his body is disconnected .. or something
So his is .. stronger?
Im bullshitting I have no clue
unborn lantern
Fandaniel will betray zenos. Trust me
topaz dune
Zeno's echo is artificial but it also got imbued with effects of Elidebus too
gaunt star
Why would he
unborn lantern
why wouldn't he
gaunt star
Zenos does nothing lmao
unborn lantern
he have other goals
topaz dune
also his echo was enhanced a ton
unborn lantern
as zenos
gaunt star
Also wdym imbued with effects of elidibus
untold gull
Not to mention he's related to emet
unborn lantern
for all we know, he's using zenos
prime verge
I too want more Ancient lore and flashbacks, and I hope Pandaemonium delivers
I actually rlly love lahabrea. It sucks that as an unsundered he got an absolute trash end and very few moments of fleshed out character. But what we did get through secondhand flashbacks and tales from the shadows was immaculate
topaz dune
as of lately, our echo when it coems to strength vs strentgh to zeno's is like RIP WOL
maiden lodge
So his is .. stronger?
His is stronger because Zenos' character is to practice and hone his skills and abilities to the extreme, while simultaneously being bored of having nothing to use them on.
So, if he had the echo, you're damn right he'd actually work out and try to master it, because it's what Zenos -does-.
untold gull
Come on, it's clear that they're both just 'working together' because their goals are pretty similar
worn bloom
I dunno, I felt it was great to see Lahabrea lose to people he severely underestimated.
untold gull
Zenos said it himself that he doesn't care what Fandaniel does as long as he delivers that epic final battle
unique verge
brace for impact boys
worn bloom
Fandaniel isn't exactly a deep villain.
maiden lodge
Why would a "rogue" ascian partner with people like zenos
Zenos needs bait to bring us to him. Destroying the world is bait.
Fandaniel wants to destroy the world. Zenos gives him the means to do that.
lusty tangle
we literally don't know what fandaniel's motivations are yet, for all we know it could make complete sense for him to team up with zenos
gaunt star
His is stronger because Zenos' character is to practice and hone his skills and ...
Ive been under the assumption/speculating that Zenos is still in the plot to be the person to show how strong the WOL can get if they harnessed their echo properly and the next stepping stone of power ofc
So we're gonna do funky echo stuff
untold gull
There's some unsaid lore here that we don't know. But Fandaniel has certainly been interested in Zenos since the beginning
maiden lodge
There's some unsaid lore here that we don't know. But Fandaniel has certainly be...
Fandaniel's told us he wants to end the world.
worn bloom
Why did he use Asahi's body of all people.
gaunt star
we literally don't know what fandaniel's motivations are yet, for all we know it...
He wants to bring about the final days, destroy everything and himself in the process
worn bloom
The face just looks punchable.
unborn lantern
once we weaken zenos
gaunt star
This was in 5.4...?
maiden lodge
The rest is basic implication
prime verge
I want more lore on laha. When u think about it his character can be very complex, he seems to be a caring, kind, and passionate person in the past. He seems like he was one of elidibus’s friends. It’s implied that his body hopping caused a severe deterioration of his level of power, and there’s also the idea that laha is the way he is because of how insane being a lonely unsundered and losing his friends and family made him
untold gull
Especially since fandaniel made an offhand mention about genetic memory transfer from emet since zenos is his progeny
lusty tangle
He wants to bring about the final days, destroy everything and himself in the pr...
yes but what's his motivation? that's WHAT he wants to do, but not WHY
unborn lantern
yes, punch me
gaunt star
Oh right fair enough
maiden lodge
yes but what's his motivation? that's WHAT he wants to do, but not WHY
Fair, but I'll give that time to unravel
untold gull
yes but what's his motivation? that's WHAT he wants to do, but not WHY
- 0is gonna answer that
cinder badger
Fandango's motivations are clear.
He wants attention because nobody takes him seriously with a name like Fandango
gaunt star
We'll probably find out a bit in 5.5 then the rest in 6.0
untold gull
That's literally what they said - we'll find out about his plans in 6.0
topaz dune
Attention, a spoiled bratty snowflake begging for it
lusty tangle
well yeah, that's what i'm saying, there simply isn't enough information yet to judge whether fandaniel is a good villain or not, and whether it makes sense for him to team up with zenos
unborn lantern
Trust me, fandaniel is twisted than zenos.
topaz dune
prime verge
I want fandaniel complexity please yoship please
fast rampart
i think he's trying to bring back the final days to make people pray for salvation and revive zodiark the same way as the first time
maiden lodge
I mean, we also know Fandaniel's from a shard
unborn lantern
prime verge
He's grooming zenos
This is pretty obvious I think, he’s playing zenos like a fiddle
Zenos is just a means to an end
gaunt star
But i thought fandaniel doesnt give a shit about the rejoining/what the unsundered were doing
worn bloom
Zenos doesn't really care about being used though.
prime verge
But i thought fandaniel doesnt give a shit about the rejoining/what the unsunder...
Maybe it just seems this way
topaz dune
Zenos isnt stupid though to know of if hes being manipulated by fanny
prime verge
Zenos doesn't really care about being used though.
Exactly
untold gull
And zenos is letting him because if it means that's how he gets his epic showdown, then so be it
cinder badger
I just imagine Fandango combing Zenos' hair
unborn lantern
not much is known about Fandaniel, we shouldn't believe anything he say
maiden lodge
But i thought fandaniel doesnt give a shit about the rejoining/what the unsunder...
What if Fandaniel's from a shard that was destroyed? He has nothing left to live for. Burn it all.
What if Fandaniel's from a shard that remains? Destroy the source, his shard can't be rejoined. Burn it all.
gaunt star
The first thing he did in like 2 patches was stand up and break his sword
untold gull
No, lol
prime verge
I think the fan/zenos combo is literally just, “you’re happy? I’m happy? Lets tolerate each other then until we get what we want”
untold gull
Between cutscenes, he did flew in different parts of garlemald and sat on different seats
maiden lodge
Zenos isn't 'doing nothing', he's been helping Fandaniel set up his world ending plan
untold gull
gaunt star
Ah ofc
unborn lantern
Zenos: SO MUCH DESTRUCTION 'TIS WAS NOT MY INTENTION
gaunt star
Different seats
prime verge
Zenos has just been going on his murder world tour
maiden lodge
They just haven't shown us that plan but they've said multiple times he's been busy.
prime verge
Zenos: SO MUCH DESTRUCTION 'TIS WAS NOT MY INTENTION
This was my intention
unborn lantern
cinder badger
Now if I see him at any point in 6.0 dancing I know he really is Fandango
elder isle
Zenos would 100% destroy the world just cause he's bored
maiden lodge
Now if I see him at any point in 6.0 dancing I know he really is Fandango
And his partner Tyler Breezenos
prime verge
Zenos would 100% destroy the world just cause he's bored
Yeah
untold gull
God, man, imagine how much more motion captured cutscenes we'll get in 6.0
prime verge
I’m so excited for 6.0
unborn lantern
If Zenos did, what would be left for him to do? He loves to hunt.
maiden lodge
Zenos would 100% destroy the world just cause he's bored
Well, yeah if he has nothing to life for. But he does now.
pastel coyote
Zenos would 100% destroy the world just cause he's bored
A valid reason
prime verge
When I heard “fandaniel is actually complex and so is the story” I went 👀👀👀👀👀👀👀
elder isle
Like zenos literally cares for nothing but personal amusement and satisfaction
maiden lodge
Now he'd destroy the world because he knows we'd come to him to stop it, because that's what we do.
cinder badger
@unborn lantern it's just like Illidan said.
The hunter is nothing without the prey
elder isle
Even his desire to fight us is for his own satisfaction
maiden lodge
That doesn't bore him, that interests him
unborn lantern
He doesn't like to be interfered with his hunt, fandaniel will.
prime verge
Now he'd destroy the world because he knows we'd come to him to stop it, because...
Zenos cares about nothing but his own interests, and the only thing that interests him is us
gaunt star
Chances of seeing a smidgen of Sage npc in 5.5?
glad maple
Next villain is || anima ||
unborn lantern
they gonna fite
maiden lodge
But he's not about half measures--he knows that if he's bluffing we won't come.
cinder badger
The next villain is Seymour guado
gaunt star
Seymouuuuuuuur
unborn lantern
Zenos and WoL gonna take it outside like literally in the moon.
untold gull
I really hope they don't make Fandaniel a sad villain like the previous two. I want them to cement the fact that his goals are just as twisted as he is, maybe driven by jealously for the unsundered. I want a villain that we can absolutely hate more than we do now
maiden lodge
Still though I suspect the endgame is to rejoin Zodiark and Hydaelyn in order to stop the cause of the FInal Days
gaunt star
What if there were two men on the moon and one of them killed the other with a rock would thst be fucked up or what
cinder badger
Quick we need a Summoner a Blitzball player a Hrothgar and a quiet stoic man with big sword
fleet flicker
https://twitter.com/rynnamonrolls/status/1357891912808734721 This has the same energy.
maiden lodge
I really hope they don't make Fandaniel a sad villain like the previous two. I w...
Give me a kefka, I miss the days of hating Ilberd for years
gaunt star
Still though I suspect the endgame is to rejoin Zodiark and Hydaelyn in order to...
Ooh. That could align with the new year letter
prime verge
I really hope they don't make Fandaniel a sad villain like the previous two. I w...
This is a cool refresher from last time but I feel like it’d make the story feel hollow.
topaz dune
slllllllloooppeeehhhhhhhhh
maiden lodge
Ooh. That could align with the new year letter
They took a lot of care to remind us that ZOdiark isn't evil
untold gull
Honestly, i don't mind that. Someone with the kefka vibe but still entirely different than kefka. We don't need another mad clown
maiden lodge
But Fandaniel's not the endgame anyways
glad maple
Blitzball, anima, next expansion is gonna have a lot of ffX theme. Even the new city looks like something from spira
gaunt star
Fandannys a miniboss
cinder badger
@untold gull Fandango won't be sad he will Just Dance
untold gull
Bur you don't need a sad backstory to be complex
maiden lodge
Bur you don't need a sad backstory to be complex
You dont need to be complex to be a strong antagonist.
prime verge
Bur you don't need a sad backstory to be complex
Yeah true, not necessarily sad but more interesting than he is now
acoustic sail
Necromancer?
untold gull
It's definitely gonna have ties with the Final days and i still think Fandaniel played a crucial part back then
prime verge
You dont need to be complex to be a strong antagonist.
Yeah but the way he is now, fan is super boring haha
gaunt star
He's very... Emphatic
untold gull
Fandaniel gonna use.. Zenos body as a vessel for Zodiarks return.
With what zenos said about taking zodiark's power, that's not farfetched
prime verge
It’s an obvious downgrade from sexy emet
maiden lodge
Yeah but the way he is now, fan is super boring haha
He literally only started being an actual antagonist at the end of last patch. Give it time.
prime verge
He's very... Emphatic
Yeah, I like his flamboyance. Nothing besides that haha
glad maple
I’m tired of zenos
cinder badger
Well he's tired of you too
untold gull
He is
prime verge
He literally only started being an actual antagonist at the end of last patch. ...
Yeah, I’m excited to see what they’ll do w him! For now he is boring but I doubt he’ll stay this way
maiden lodge
Well he's tired of you too
no h's not
glad maple
Good cause I’m tired of him
untold gull
He's bored af, waiting for WoL
cinder badger
No he's waiting for Commander Shepard to defeat the Reapers
unborn lantern
the only thing powerful than Zenos is the GM's
glad maple
He always looks bored, he’s so bland
prime verge
Not everyone likes zenos but everyone simps over him, that’s the golden rule
untold gull
Something just occurred to me, what exactly are those Mhachian looking machines anyway
glad maple
Maybe with a haircut I’ll simp for him
maiden lodge
Something just occurred to me, what exactly are those Mhachian looking machines ...
Telephoroi shit most like
untold gull
From the trailer, it's definitely alive and well especially when one is in garlemald
native falcon
hey speak for yourself, i have better standards than to simp for zenos
glad maple
I don’t like king hair
prime verge
Also I rlly wanna see what they do with hydaelyn. We know she’s a primal, and that “primal bad” so I wonder how that’ll be addressed
cinder badger
They're probably not Mhach
maiden lodge
Twisty architecture screams ancient to me
unborn lantern
zenos is taller than sephiroth
prime verge
hey speak for yourself, i have better standards than to simp for zenos
You’re a better person than the rest of us then
unborn lantern
heady shadow
okay gonna aske, whats Telephoroi?
native falcon
LOL
topaz dune
knowing Mhachian's dabbled with the 13th shard in many ways, im guessing the towers are prob a summoning thing or a tempering device or idk
warm bone
how can anyone not simp for zenos
native falcon
i'm over here like raubahn please call me
warm bone
!faq juicy
maiden lodge
okay gonna aske, whats Telephoroi?
The group Fandaniel mentioned when he was telling us how he wanted to destroy all the things
lusty shadowBOT
prime verge
how can anyone not simp for zenos
It’s literally impossible
warm bone
look at that
glad maple
Lmfaoo
heady shadow
The group Fandaniel mentioned when he was telling us how he wanted to destroy al...
Oh okay
topaz dune
heady shadow
New Orginization 13?
woeful dagger
i did it boys, finally cleared Castrum
untold gull
forest magnet
how much mettle did you lose
prime verge
Yes this, I wanna see moreeeeee, give me that sick hydaelyn lore. She’s just a ex machina type thing right now, show me more of her primalness
heady shadow
Hmmm......
i recall her only helping in ARR
and for the most part we done everything ourselves
forest magnet
everything after that is through minfilia
prime verge
Love that the scions now no longer use hydaelyns name positively
woeful dagger
how much mettle did you lose
We only full-wiped twice on Lyon
gaunt star
I gently simped for aymeric when we first saw him
prime verge
everything after that is through minfilia
She helps indirectly and directly throughout the series
unborn lantern
I don't like Zenos, i simp for Vauthry
gaunt star
But no one else
unborn lantern
he more thicc
woven escarp
that's kind of the point though, everyone is puzzled because you aren't just coasting on hydaelyn's power
prime verge
Guys there is not a character in this entire game that I DONT simp for
That’s a fact
gaunt star
Alphinaud.
forest magnet
there's blessing of light
unborn lantern
don't simp for ryne
gaunt star
Alisiae.
unborn lantern
or i'll hate you
unborn lantern
NO.
gaunt star
Honoroit.
forest magnet
...Khloe
prime verge
JAJAJAJJS
unborn lantern
..
gaunt star
Khloe
unborn lantern
FBI
woeful dagger
Guys there is not a character in this entire game that I DONT simp for
don't simp for Zhloe
native falcon
please don't simp the children i'm begging you
prime verge
Okay this is not what I meant at all
gaunt star
Zhloes older
untold gull
forest magnet
HALRIC
unborn lantern
TIS WAS NOT MY INTENTION
woeful dagger
<:peepoChrist:585609281240432681>
I just hate her in general
gaunt star
Mini Ardbert
untold gull
well
unborn lantern
halric?
gaunt star
The miqote girl who baited everyone into thinking chemist was gonna happen LMAO
unborn lantern
i mean he's vulnerable and all
untold gull
the emote is for all the convo about simping, uh, kids...
unborn lantern
but stay away
untold gull
warm bone
woven escarp
🤔
warm bone
Khloe will rough you up
prime verge
If I find any varis simps I’m committing a murder on sight
gaunt star
Wheres that one gif of her
unborn lantern
did you... use..
gaunt star
People like dilfs
untold gull
oh god, the one about shooting you on the face?
gaunt star
Yea
cinder badger
Why would there be Mhachi constructs in Ilsabard?
unborn lantern
SH*
prime verge
https://tenor.com/view/final-fantasy14-ff14-khloe-final-fantasy-shoot-gif-175227...
Me @ zenos
gaunt star
I love that tooly
unborn lantern
How about unukduhai
unborn lantern
I forgot to spell his name
gaunt star
Yes
unborn lantern
LMAO
untold gull
unukalhai is busy trying to be a warrior of light
woeful dagger
why does Save the Queen not have a handle
native falcon
i dont think it's unukalhai if you did the quests he's on the first now
prime verge
Unukalhai is just baybee
prime verge
I haven’t finished warring triad or anything w him in it lol
untold gull
gaunt star
Ive done them all
topaz dune
Simp The Queen is now legit, theres many simps for Simp The Queen
native falcon
it's good stuff, i recommend getting to it when you can
prime verge
Simp The Queen is now legit, theres many simps for Simp The Queen
The queen is a female hrothgar of course there are simps
topaz dune
Destroy all simps
cinder badger
She holds her gun like a scrag
gaunt star
Might as well max most of my classes during content drought
prime verge
Destroy all simps
Oh nooooooo, I’ve been murdered
unborn lantern
I've been seeing.. female hrothgars cosplay that.. RE: female vampire villain lately..
woeful dagger
Curious how the Bozjan resistance doesn't have any female Hrothgar, who you would think would gladly fight to the death for their country
untold gull
inb4 fem hrothgar actually stands straight
woeful dagger
unborn lantern
its quite worrying
woeful dagger
inb4 fem hrothgar actually stands straight
I mean if they are just straight up female Ronso's from FFX I am all for it
cinder badger
@woeful dagger I always assumed the queen was the only female
prime verge
I just want my bunny boys
untold gull
I mean if they are just straight up female Ronso's from FFX I am all for it
i...did not think of that. I agree 
cinder badger
Oh they're going to have the female roe animations
cinder badger
Because you guys will keep begging and crying and whining and moaning about getting your guy bunnies and female lions
native falcon
they may use f roe as a base, m hroth very similar to m roe except they rigged the skeleton differently
unborn lantern
this meme is spreading fast
cinder badger
So they're going to half ass it
woeful dagger
I would be a female Hellsguard in an instant if their run animation didn't look like they were holding in a shit
untold gull
honestly, one thing i really wished they'd bring is the original concept for fem au ra
but that ain't happening 
native falcon
yayayo i think you forget that f roe and m miqo weren't in the game originally either and got added later
gaunt star
Still thinking about how they said "yeah hroth queen" then went "the queen doesnt always have to be a hroth you know the population is just skewed"
untold gull
even then the queen we got was just someone they installed on the throne
cinder badger
I didn't forget but that was a different time when the game was just starting out and they didn't have hundreds of different items to scale onto new models
covert vault
Well that's really because hroths can't wear crowns
tired shoal
gaunt star
Its confirmed they're not adding 6.0 races right?
gaunt star
female hrothgar
BOOBA
covert vault
Female Ronso
gaunt star
Digging the medallion
cinder badger
@gaunt star I think he confirmed it in shadowbringers that they will not make new races again
gaunt star
Good
unborn lantern
How bout male vieras
native falcon
they said no more races for the forseeable future but they wouldn't be opposed to implementing m viera and f hroth later on maybe
cinder badger
Too much work in all people do is complain about how it doesn't look the way they want it to
native falcon
they already said if they did implement m viera it'd likely be similar to an m elezen with viera features
unborn lantern
maiden lodge
Fix viera / hrothgar
That requires changing how they work on a model level.
'I don't care fix it'
That's content you don't get.
unborn lantern
Haucherant
cinder badger
Like really the constant complaining about the races and not having the gender you want is just wasted energy.
onyx sundial
Oh daddy
warm bone
thats hot
onyx sundial
unborn lantern
gaunt star
That requires changing how they work on a model level.
'I don't care fix it'
...
I know, but ppl still complaining in 6.0 is gonna be 
untold gull
how
considering 6.0 is gonna be the entirety of Endwalker story, it's definitely gonna be very long
maiden lodge
It might not be long.
gaunt star
native falcon
like i would love m viera and f hroth but i know that stuff takes time and i'm willing to wait however long but being all "you will never get it" just to be contrarian is very annoying
gaunt star
||you will never get it||
unborn lantern
Child Lalafells
native falcon
damn...
gaunt star
Child lalafells is impossible tech
maiden lodge
They've got ten years of story told going into it, they don't need to tell a story then invent a second 'conclusion' for the patch three patches later
gaunt star
The servers would collapse
cinder badger
Okay so here's something that I really don't understand when it comes to lalafell
In Final Fantasy XI tarutaru were much shorter and yet they still had children that were smaller than them yet they can't do the same thing for lalafell and lalafell children
untold gull
they can take elezen male body, change it with new head with bunny ears = male viera 
unborn lantern
Imagine having a lalafell wife with lalafel daughter, and you made a mistake and mistook your daughter for your wife.
gaunt star
There's one in gridania near conjurers guild
unborn lantern
cinder badger
So if they can't even fix lalafell models after so many years to include actual lalafell children so people can stop calling every lalafell a child then I highly doubt they are going to give you your male bunnies and your female lions
onyx sundial
Bunny boys wheb
untold gull
if they're saving time, it's possible, okay
unborn lantern
LMAO
onyx sundial
When
maiden lodge
So if they can't even fix lalafell models after so many years to include actual ...
Adding more lalafell kids won't make people stop calling the child-looking race child-looking
gaunt star
Lalafell kids already exist, again
They probably just use minumum height model
They're all small anyway
onyx sundial
Theyre very concerningly look like children
cinder badger
It would be easier to make a lalafell child and replace NPC models with those then to make full grown models for the Viera and hrothgar that need every piece of armor in the game scaled to their model
gaunt star
Chibi =/= looking like children
maiden lodge
have you met a lalafell with a very deep voice?
untold gull
lol
unborn lantern
Y A S
native falcon
bruh
gaunt star
Lalafell dont look like kids to me. They're just chibi and more expressive with their emotes which can be interpretted as childlike
cinder badger
But you are one of few who believe in such
unborn lantern
they're midgets version of ffxiv
gaunt star
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
native falcon
you're like the only person concerned about children lalafell models meanwhile a significant portion of the player base would be interested in alternate gender options for viera and hroth
woeful dagger
do you thin Cid will have his bad ShB VA or back to his better VA in EW
somber storm
Lalafells are potatoes
cinder badger
I come from Balmung and people are always calling my character a kid or a loli
somber storm
Get it right
gaunt star
I still think adult content with lalafells is weird as hell though
unborn lantern
Lalafells lives longer, and are older than us.
woeful dagger
gaunt star
unborn lantern
native falcon
yes doing all the work for f hroth and m viera would be significantly more work but the payoff is higher
cinder badger
It's not even about adult content it's just the general Vibe I get when I interact
woeful dagger
loli isn't banned but female-with-penis-hentai-word is
gaunt star
... those arent on the same level
cinder badger
I like my current haircut
woeful dagger
I still don't get why we can't have Nanamo's hair
Why can't I have Grynewaht's weapon?
unborn lantern
because he sucks
maiden lodge
... those arent on the same level
I dunno, one of those used unironically makes me question the speaker considerably and it ain't the banned one.
gaunt star
Lalafell children looks like adult lalafells
They stop growing at like 4 years old
Anyway people are always gonna have a different viewpoint to you so you just gotta go "oh well" and "block out the haters", so to speak
covert vault
They give us nanamo's hair but only on Viera... Oh I thought we were playing corrupt a wish
cinder badger
@gaunt star EXACTLY! But on Final Fantasy XI tarutaru kids are actually smaller than the adults
cinder badger
So an older game with older models can do a better job with scaling...
gaunt star
TBF. even if you make lalafell kids, people are still going to call the adults kids
unborn lantern
yeah, the insignificant npc
gaunt star
Well this isn't FFXI
And lalafells look like children because they literally look like children
maiden lodge
So an older game with older models can do a better job with scaling...
Juice isn't worth the squeeze. The game with older models means the models are less work.
woeful dagger
So an older game with older models can do a better job with scaling...
I mean yeah, because FF11 was given the time and care it needed in development. ARR was thrown together in 2 years and shackled to a hodgepodge in-house engine forked from Crystal Tools which was not created with MMOs in mind.
restive musk
for me Lalafells are emergency food~ thats why i named my companion Paimon .-.
woeful dagger
The FF14 engine is really, really bad comparatively to its peers.
unborn lantern
Lalafells were meant to be a Dwarf, not children.
somber storm
Laliho
woeful dagger
Rally-ho*
untold gull
The FF14 engine is really, really bad comparatively to its peers.
but hey it works
gaunt star
Lalas were inspired by schoolchildren
somber storm
Lalihoes
untold gull
unborn lantern
TF DID U SAY
maiden lodge
I mean yeah, because FF11 was given the time and care it needed in development. ...
Luminous Tools. ARR is built on Luminous. 1.0 was built on Crystal.
woeful dagger
RALLY-HO!
untold gull
Honestly, with them finishing the entire EW in one entire expac, i'm hoping this gives them more leeway into maybe finally upgrading the engine
somber storm
Wallyho
woeful dagger
Luminous Tools. ARR is built on Luminous. 1.0 was built on Crystal.
ARR is built off a forked version of Crystal Tools. Luminous Tools wasn't created until 2012. ARR came out in 2012 but was in dev in 2010.
maiden lodge
ARR is built off a forked version of Crystal Tools. Luminous Tools wasn't create...
No, you're wrong.
restive musk
thats the best facial expression
somber storm
Doesn't beat Hildibrand expressions
unborn lantern
Those people can beat ascian and primals
woeful dagger
https://tenor.com/view/manderville-hildibrand-godbert-ffxiv-gif-18045575
BROCK LESNAR WITH THE GERMAN SUPLEX OF THE CENTURY
restive musk
maybe we find Hildi on the Moon
maiden lodge
At Electronic Entertainment Expo 2012, Square Enix debuted "Agni's Philosophy", a tech demo for their new Luminous Studio game engine. Though members of the Final Fantasy XIV development team worked on Luminous, Yoshida admitted that both Luminous and Crystal Tools were optimized for offline games and could not handle an online environment with hundreds of on-screen character models.[35] Though Version 2.0 uses a "completely different engine", he called the Luminous engine and the 2.0 engine "siblings" due to similarities in their structure.[51] In July 2012, Square Enix revealed that Version 2.0's official title would be Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn.[52] As development for A Realm Reborn ramped up, Yoshida made the decision to shut down the servers for the original release on November 11, 2012.[53] This date served as the "grand finale" for the old game, culminating in a cinematic trailer for A Realm Reborn called "End of an Era".[54][55]
unborn lantern
cinder badger
ARR initial release was August 2013
unborn lantern
also
maiden lodge
FFXIV is based on Luminous, not Crystal.
onyx sundial
I mean some people look a lot younger than they look
unborn lantern
Asians
onyx sundial
Doesnt mean that theyre not of legal age
untold gull
> At Electronic Entertainment Expo 2012, Square Enix debuted "Agni's Philosophy"...
dude, i'm legit just watching that now wtf
somber storm
Ancient versions of the Mandervilles when?
onyx sundial
Saying lalafells look like children isnt bad
Cause for some people they do look like children
somber storm
They are potato
untold gull
agni's philosphy should have been ff15
unborn lantern
that they do, but we all have kinks
restive musk
its emergency food !
onyx sundial
Put a mustache and they look less
unborn lantern
somber storm
Potatoes are food, not friends
unreal wadi
hey look
woeful dagger
> At Electronic Entertainment Expo 2012, Square Enix debuted "Agni's Philosophy"...
Luminous is also forked from Crystal Tools. 13 uses Crystal and 13-2 uses Luminous but you cannot tell me they are fundamentally different engines. 15 was the first FF since 13 to use an engine that wasn't just a fork from Crystal Tools. 15 used Ebony for 99% of the game and Luminous for lighting.
somber storm
Him and Greg are gonna be playing chess
unborn lantern
moonwalking
restive musk
🤣 or its the ulimate raid in 6.1
somber storm
Also fighting over the gun halberd
maiden lodge
Luminous is also forked from Crystal Tools. 13 uses Crystal and 13-2 uses Lumino...
Nothing in 2.0 uses Crystal Tools, they scrapped it because Crystal Tools doesn't work.
woeful dagger
no more ultimate raids forever
rare sinew
opens R/games
sees people hating on XIV cuz of a slow start to the story
untold gull
they gave an offhand mention of hildy. i'm gonna be sorely disappointed if they don't bring him back
rare sinew
maiden lodge
Crystal Tools barely even worked for 13
woeful dagger
Nothing in 2.0 uses Crystal Tools, they scrapped it because Crystal Tools doesn'...
Correct. It is a fork of Crystal Tools. As in the base kernel of the engine is Crystal Tools with inner changes to fit the needs of FF14.
somber storm
Nier sad in general
unborn lantern
fk nier
rare sinew
We dont know the actual Nier story tho
unborn lantern
fkin thots
rare sinew
In context of xiv
rare sinew
Nier A is booty booty booty
maiden lodge
Correct. It is a fork of Crystal Tools. As in the base kernel of the engine *is*...
Except it's not. They worked on a new engine for 14, of which it got siblinged off into Luminous.
restive musk
if u have a controller~ yeah
untold gull
i like nier in general but the raid...it didn't feel like it has a lot of weight to it
woeful dagger
anything nier related is just to get simps going
unborn lantern
Limsa specifically
turbid helm
Automata isn't even the best Nier game
cinder badger
@woeful dagger luminous was a new engine it wasn't forked over from anything they created luminous because they were having issues with the new titles for 13 on crystal
woeful dagger
as far as alliance raids go its substence was a little lacking
rare sinew
The nier raid was good because it relied on paying attention
untold gull
the music is superb (except for final boss music in bunker) and the environment certainly is a change but the story and how it tried to make it work is just... it's too shallow
rare sinew
Which i greatly enjoyed
unborn lantern
I like that you can explore niers raid. Feels like Star Wars
cinder badger
They brought in former devs from sega to make a NEW engine
unreal wadi
i'm more into the new nier raid
the 5.4 update to the nier raid was depressing
untold gull
yeah, the mechanics are definitely nice. though i wished it had more difficulty considering they nerfed ivalice
unborn lantern
YEAH
turbid helm
the raids are good, the story is bad
woeful dagger
yeah, the mechanics are definitely nice. though i wished it had more difficulty ...
Thunder King of w.e his name is was super fun with pugs.
restive musk
i hope the new NieR gear is good owo
unborn lantern
DROP THE GUN AND CATCH THESE FADES
untold gull
thunder god
woeful dagger
He had like 3 mechanics and people couldn't handle it
restive musk
the last one was kinda disappointing
turbid helm
Puppet's Bunker blind run was hilarious
untold gull
dude, i queued for it the other day. i just feel like i'm waiting for mechanics to show. it's not being slapped down one after anotehr, it's boring now
restive musk
that would be lit~
untold gull
before shb, it was bloody terrifying. it was awesome.
restive musk
i mean we just saw a white ball
untold gull
look, if they start giving us giant white babies, i'm gonna fucking flip a table
acoustic sail
Do we have to build a lunar lander to get to the moon?
unreal wadi
read as Piko Taro and got hella confused
i have an
restive musk
first i though we gonna use Eden as Space Ship...but i guess its difficult~ xD
somber storm
Yes
woeful dagger
Do we have to build a lunar lander to get to the moon?
Nah just wait for Rowena and Cid to pull some Allagan bullshit from thin air
unborn lantern
I want Lunar Panties
somber storm
Void ark
turbid helm
I never bothered unlocking void ark. is it good?
restive musk
Cid Musk? xD
woeful dagger
waiting on Cid to tweet out "Doge"
unborn lantern
can't even get a party for Void Ark
untold gull
we're probably most likely gonna find a ship based on some legend in some country which i wouldn't even be surprised if Sharlayan is like Mysidia
somber storm
we're probably most likely gonna find a ship *based on some legend in some count...
Just conveniently find the Lunar Whale in Thavnair
unborn lantern
thanvairs gonna be filled with those half-naked dancers
woeful dagger
Louisoix comes back and teaches us an ANCIENT sharlayan spell that teleports you to an ANCIENT sharlayan moon base where the Circle of Knowing has been all along
unborn lantern
looks like a dildo
rare sinew
We ask Emet for a lift
gaunt star
What if we have to do some elaborate landing procedure
Ur gonna have 80% of ppl stuck on that
untold gull
cinder badger
We're taking the lunar whale
untold gull
*dorito whale
somber storm
looks like a dildo
restive musk
kinda curious how the Sage is gonna be
rare sinew
kinda curious how the Sage is gonna be
Goes great with roast pork
somber storm
Sage is gonna be stylish
cinder badger
You're looking for theories on the new job... look to Final Fantasy 4 we've got a dark knight that became a paladin a dragoon and a sage
restive musk
i mean yeah~ Shields and lasers goes brrr~ ect
rare sinew
untold gull
sage gonna be pew pew heal pew pew
somber storm
Sage gonna be gundam
unborn lantern
I thought the sages gonna be a ranged dps..
woeful dagger
kinda curious how the Sage is gonna be
better than SCH
somber storm
Gundam glams
gaunt star
I hope scholar gets buffed so its better than sage
woeful dagger
good meme
rare sinew
Hahahahahha
woeful dagger
they want new Jobs to have high playrate
cinder badger
So Cecil Kain and Tellah
restive musk
i just switched back from AST to Dancer~ and then they show that bad ass laser healer xD i was like "thx im in a class dilema again"
gaunt star
😔
unborn lantern
They said they'll seperate pure healers and barrier healers
Scholar will be a pure healer
gaunt star
...huh
restive musk
so my AST is gonna be a pure Healer?
cinder badger
So now think of our last party member and what Final Fantasy 4 character would fit a melee DPS
gaunt star
Scholar is barrier healer buddy
restive musk
i dun think SCH is gonna be a pure healer
unborn lantern
same with Sages
somber storm
5 melee dps, 4 tanks, 4 healers, 4 magic dps and 3 range dps
gaunt star
Astro as barrier healer is jokes
untold gull
ninja?
untold gull
restive musk
i pref pure heal on my Ast~
cinder badger
4 healers
2 barrier
2 pure
woeful dagger
it'll be WHM/AST as throughput healers and SCH/SGE as barrier healers
cinder badger
It's obvious
rare sinew
Isnt the rumour that new Melee is scythe?
unborn lantern
they already said AST is a barrier healer >:C
unreal wadi
Isnt the rumour that new Melee is scythe?
yes
rare sinew
Brb, Vtuber cosplay
cinder badger
I hope they call the new DPS executioner
obsidian yew
they already said AST is a barrier healer >:C
may need to rewatch the announcement video friend 🙂
unborn lantern
But I did
gaunt star
Theyre gonna "tune content so it suits 1 shield/1 pure healer"
But we all know that means whm/ast will be superior to any semblance of sch/sge
untold gull
that....that actually isn't a bad name
unborn lantern
or was it announced in a different stream
cinder badger
And if they use a scythe their rotation must include guillotine
gaunt star
Just ignore yana
restive musk
why AST should be a barrier healer? Nobody use the Noc spect these days xD
woeful dagger
Theyre gonna "tune content so it suits 1 shield/1 pure healer"
*But we all know...
whm/ast will likely have some kind of spells that don't stack that makes bringing both very bad
unborn lantern
Pure healers are SCH/WHM and Barrier Healers for AST/Sage
gaunt star
I doubt it
unborn lantern
o.o
woeful dagger
such as both having some regen that can't stack
gaunt star
If they dont change barriers (which they wont) i doubt theyre gonna touch regen
unborn lantern
did they changed their mind or something?
woeful dagger
what about barriers? they don't stack either
unborn lantern
Oh, good
gaunt star
I cant use that word
gaunt star
😩
restive musk
SCH Barriers are usually stronger than AST Barrier
cinder badger
Only Master Healers can become barrier Healers
gaunt star
SCH Barriers are usually stronger than AST Barrier
Thats a good one
woeful dagger
AST only has Noct so that SCH can be dropped from groups 🙂
maiden lodge
woeful dagger
well except in HW
unborn lantern
wait for the full music
gaunt star
Outside of fairy-centered healing
restive musk
well my guilde mate has the better shields and he mains SCH meanwhile i main ast
unborn lantern
it better be good than Shadowbringer
cinder badger
Pretty sure they're going to take nocturnal sect out of the game
woeful dagger
ye Noct will be gone
maiden lodge
AST only has Noct so that SCH can be dropped from groups 🙂
bold considering a) AST/SCH dicks on AST/WHM 2021, and b) WHM's been the one sitting on the benches every expansion AST has been decent
restive musk
belts are useless D:
gaunt star
well my guilde mate has the better shields and he mains SCH meanwhile i main ast
Why's ur sch shielding
gaunt star
Astro is free
unborn lantern
extra
cinder badger
I can hear the distant cries of Nomura as he drinks himself into a frenzy
unborn lantern
stats
cinder badger
"NO BELTS??"
maiden lodge
after the time i spent farming belts
you've spent zero hours farming 6.0 belts.
woeful dagger
bold considering a) AST/SCH dicks on AST/WHM 2021, and b) WHM's been the one sit...
WHM was only bad in SB. In HW it was WHM/SCH due to party buffs. And now it's WHM/X.
restive musk
im hoping no one is gonna like "BeltsLifeMatter"
unborn lantern
ima spend hours farming u
obsidian yew
lulu's dress evaporates
cinder badger
@restive musk well now that you said it
somber storm
Lulu with no belts
gaunt star
If they do go down the path of making whm/sge greedy healers, AST/SCH is gonna become and stay meta in savage
woeful dagger
SCH/AST in HW had potential to group parse better with rng cards, but eh.
unborn lantern
Also, can sprouts get their own parties or mentor something >:C
somber storm
Also don't forget new PLD gonna have two belts
unborn lantern
they keep wiping
cinder badger
@gaunt star Sage is barrier healer how are they greedy
unborn lantern
maiden lodge
WHM was only bad in SB. In HW it was WHM/SCH due to party buffs. And now it's WH...
Do you have any data to support your assertions or is this going to be yet another patch of people confusing their feelings for facts?
3 patches in a row now.
gaunt star
<@456226577798135808> Sage is barrier healer how are they greedy
Raid buffs
restive musk
apropo mentor thing~ i wish there is a Mentor System like u can accept Students °-°
unborn lantern
nothing can outheal a WHM
maiden lodge
'whm dicks on the other healers' whm is bottom two comps
gaunt star
Astro has cards, scholar has chain strat (but will probably get more)
Whm doesnt provide any RDPS
woeful dagger
Do you have any data to support your assertions or is this going to be yet anoth...
I never said "dicks on other healers"
cinder badger
Why do healers have to have Buffs
gaunt star
SGE will probably not provide any RDPS either
cinder badger
Their healers they heal you that is their contribution it doesn't make them greedy
gaunt star
Healers dont have to have buffs
WHM doesnt have buffs
Whm is greedy because it doesnt give anything to the team
unborn lantern
Sages would stick those dildo up our asses and heal us per sec
gaunt star
But it gains from party buffs
cinder badger
Other than you know keeping the team alive through heals but that's nothing
woeful dagger
Also using Damage parses when the majority of raid comps aren't built on damage parses
gaunt star
??
maiden lodge
I never said "dicks on other healers"
And now it's WHM/X.
YOu're right, you only claimed WHM/X was the best comp, not the worst comp.
Protip: The best healer isn't absent in the top comp.
gaunt star
Selfish/greedy dps exist too you know
maiden lodge
Also using Damage parses when the majority of raid comps aren't built on damage ...
moves the goalposts back
cinder badger
You can't say they don't contribute to the team when their job is specifically to keep the team alive and to mitigate damage
gaunt star
If you dont have any raid buffs you're a selfish or greedy dps
They dont contribute rdps to the team
woeful dagger
I never set the goalposts at "best damage comp"
gaunt star
Thats fact
untold gull
<sam main
woeful dagger
You did lol
untold gull
👀
gaunt star
(Tanks in general)/SAM/MCH/BLM/WHM are all selfish jobs
None of them have any raid buffs
maiden lodge
I never set the goalposts at "best damage comp"
That's true. You didn't say 'best damage comp.' I don't know what criterion you're using, but it sounds like it's 'what feels best according to my heart' which isn't a metric.
gaunt star
If they're pushing SGE in the same direction as WHM, it'll be the selfish barrier healer whilst WHm will be the selfish pure healer
woeful dagger
That's true. You didn't say 'best damage comp.' I don't know what criterion yo...
It's "what people generally choose to use" because that's the only metric SE looks at. Not what you can dig up on FFLogs. And since the general public picks the best healers based on their healing, WHM/AST is currently used over AST/SCH because WHM does more healing.
gaunt star
And then AST/SCH will be the raid buff versions
fast rampart
give BRD a rez 2021
unborn lantern
wtf is a BRD
untold gull
music nerds
maiden lodge
It's "what people generally choose to use" because that's the only metric SE loo...
Doing more healing is like jerking your dick and calling it promiscuity. Healing 'harder' doesn't make content drop. YOu're either healing enough, or you're not. Once you reach 'enough', you're overhealing.
gaunt star
^
cinder badger
Boy I wish Bard was an actual bard
cinder badger
Not an Archer with a Bard skin
maiden lodge
Now, if this game introduces a boss where 'healing more' affects the actual fight positively, then we can use that as a metric.
woeful dagger
Doing more healing is like jerking your dick and calling it promiscuity. Healin...
I dunno why you're trying to flex, but SE doesn't balance Jobs around the top 1% clearing content. they balance it around the middle 80% where the healers don't dps.
cinder badger
Just imagine what Ranger would be like
woeful dagger
Sorry if you cannot grasp that concept.
maiden lodge
I dunno why you're trying to flex, but SE doesn't balance Jobs around the top 1%...
I've not seen a dungeon parse in years where healers don't dps. This isn't ARR and hasn't been for a long time.
Sorry if you think it's ARR still.
woeful dagger
'dont dps' was a general term for 'grey parsing'
unborn lantern
I can't even dps with tanks not using migitations.
woeful dagger
Sorry that nuance in the English language is just too much for you.
maiden lodge
'dont dps' was a general term for 'grey parsing'
Only 25 percent of people grey parse.
By definition.
woeful dagger
I'll try to speak as explicit as possible so you can follow.
gaunt star
"middle 80% where healers dont dps"
restive musk
owo grey parsing?
gaunt star
We're bad but not THAT bad
maiden lodge
"middle 80% where healers dont dps"
Well that 'middle 80%' isn't showing up in my DF dungeons either.
Sounds like you're in denial.
woeful dagger
Denial of what lol
maiden lodge
Also you brought up healing comps--where the 'middle 80%' don't participate.
woeful dagger
A WHM spamming Holy in a dungeon isn't the same as the healers who are incapable of weaving in their rotations correctly while raiding.
restive musk
owo i learned healers should do dps...so i do dps while i dont need to heal
fast rampart
i just think it would be neat if bards could raise
restive musk
ah yeah~ Bard...my first class just cuz of mobility
cinder badger
Depending on who you're with healers always need to heal
maiden lodge
A WHM spamming Holy in a dungeon isn't the same as the healers who are incapable...
That 'middle 80%' by the way, is that fat bar in the middle of those bars there. That's how bar-and-spoke graphs work
cinder badger
It's called adjusting
gaunt star
Sounds like you're in denial.
Is that at me? Ion even know whats going on anymore
Healers dont always need to heal BTW
woeful dagger
That 'middle 80%' by the way, is that fat bar in the middle of those bars there....
I know how to look at Logs. And again you are linking to damage which isn't a determining factor for the majority of players when forming comp.
maiden lodge
Show me data showing the 'middle 80%' including zero, and you have a point.
woeful dagger
76k WHM parses
cinder badger
I wonder if it would be easier to play healer on gamepad
woeful dagger
but yeah AST/SCH is the most popular
gaunt star
You can get through 80% of matoyas relict without having to press a heal once
maiden lodge
I know how to look at Logs. And again you are linking to damage which isn't a de...
I mean sure, name content and we'll look at what those healers DO.
You made a claim, let's test it.
woeful dagger
WHM has 20k more parses than either other healer
So how is AST/SCH more popular lol
maiden lodge
but yeah AST/SCH is the most popular
No, it outperforms other comps despite being least popular.
unborn lantern
cuz WHM is so eays to play
somber storm
AstROLLogian
woeful dagger
i never said anything about performance
somber storm
woeful dagger
yet again you keep misconstruing what i say
cinder badger
It's not popular because people hate barrier Healers
unborn lantern
whm is a starter healer
cinder badger
Because barrier healers require more pre-emptive attention than pure Healers
maiden lodge
i never said anything about performance
WHM was only bad in SB. In HW it was WHM/SCH due to party buffs. And now it's WHM/X.
Yes you did.
You actually did.
gaunt star
Ooooooo
restive musk
uwu make love guys not war here~
gaunt star
No
gaunt star
No
woeful dagger
> WHM was only bad in SB. In HW it was WHM/SCH due to party buffs. And now it's ...
It is WHM/X. WHM is not bad. The fact it has 76k parses proves that.
somber storm
unborn lantern
restive musk
^this
woeful dagger
It out-heals SCH and that is one of the only metrics the average group looks at.
cinder badger
I want a Healer that heals by doing damage
gaunt star
Wait
somber storm
Also where's that damn meta faq
maiden lodge
It is WHM/X. WHM is not bad. The fact it has 76k parses proves that.
No, that proves that 76k people don't know how data works.
unborn lantern
that reminds me, if adam & eve were the first humans.. then
gaunt star
Did you just compare whm to sch
unborn lantern
we're all product
cinder badger
Discipline priest used to do that in World of Warcraft around cataclysm I think
woeful dagger
lol
unborn lantern
of incests
somber storm
!faq metameme
lusty shadowBOT
