retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[barren karma]

Ihope amazon get's it too....the square store is a hot mess

[untold gull]

I mean, the channel is nsfw for a reason

[pine epoch]

Art upside down

[austere bear]

if we get release date soon imma take the week off and enjoy the story

[desert raven]

inb4 Zordiark was the star all along and the moon is just a seal that keep him in check

[maiden lodge]

technically if you're not caught up to 6.0, then anything is a spoiler regarding it

[pine epoch]

Just to have it

[austere bear]

Zodiark holding his nuts

[maiden lodge]

And specualation isn't a spoiler

[barren karma]

hmmm

[open verge]

Zodiark looks like he’s about to bust

[lost raft]

i still cant get over how zodiark looks like a cross between necron and chaos

[open verge]

[brisk quail]

Inb4 when the first party defeats zodiark causes a calamity event and then the end of days start

[austere bear]

Oh wait is that the moon

[untold gull]

Honestly, if this turned into a dissidia esque story, i'ma flip a damn table

[barren karma]

isnt Anima also a summon with a being on the top and bottom

[untold gull]

Yes it's the moon

[desert raven]

Zordiark: Help me WoL, this crazy bitch(Hydaelyn) is going for my nut

[maiden lodge]

Yep, bottom is a punchyboi

[lost raft]

Anima im betting is going to be a Terminus creature

[austere bear]

yea i noticed the whole crater

[barren karma]

and that art is kinda like that anime summon

[azure garnet]

I do wonder about zenos’ scythe

[barren karma]

Anima

[azure garnet]

I saw a glimpse of scythe next to zenos

[maiden lodge]

Yeah, and they have the same designer do both as well, the similarities are intentional

[barren karma]

OMG if we get a sythe based calss

[lost raft]

we are getting a scythe based class

[next quarry]

You guys

[azure garnet]

Yeah we will

:3

[lost raft]

im hoping its based on ran'jit

[barren karma]

@maiden lodge yea it's interesting......ponders

[brisk quail]

General consensus is reaper a based on clues

[next quarry]

Are setting up yourselves for dissapointment if it doesn't happen

[pine epoch]

Literally I do think Fandaniel has been playing both sides like a fiddle. That HE most likely discovered how Tempering works and found a way to use it. Granting this power to Zodiark the first Primal making the ascians believe that all primals do this. So that tempering becomes some form of universal law. To those the ascians teach this power to.

[zenith turret]

or templar

[mossy iron]

I return, children now put to bed

[azure garnet]

Butbut

;-;

[maiden lodge]

tbf, the Children of Bodom tshirt might not be a teaser--Live letter tshirts aren't as prophetic. Plus I think he's worn it before.

[azure garnet]

Fine

[maiden lodge]

It might be a different tease

[lost raft]

Jokes on you, I am excited for whatever we get despite my speculation

[zenith turret]

too coincedental

[azure garnet]

[maiden lodge]

So, tinfoil hat

[barren karma]

I'm hype for Sage O_O

[pine epoch]

Soken pointed out yoshida COB shirt and yoshida told soken to stop it

[maiden lodge]

Yoshi P is wearing dark dark tshirt during LL yes?

[untold gull]

That already happened. No chemist, remember? But we did get something better so who knows, maybe the same thing would happen?

[maiden lodge]

What was Foxclon wearing?

Forgiven Obscenity--a light light tshirt

[pine epoch]

The sin eater shirt their selling

[untold gull]

The new shirt

[maiden lodge]

RIGHT

[pine epoch]

For fanfest

[mossy iron]

I want it

I require that shirt

[maiden lodge]

So one wearing light. Other wearing dark.

[mossy iron]

And the sweatshirt

[maiden lodge]

It's about balance baby

[pine epoch]

Na gets a sin eater hoodie

[mossy iron]

Yep

Imma get both

[maiden lodge]

EQUINOX WAS NOT A PRIMAL! IT WAS THE NEW JOB ALL ALONG

[pine epoch]

And I want to buy that hoodie shame we dont get the hades hoodie

[mossy iron]

grabby hands

[dim sigil]

Honestly the Healer job eally looks like it could be called chemist sage just doesn't sound right for this

[maiden lodge]

bows

[lost raft]

its sharlayan so sage sounds about right

[untold gull]

Wait - when did server icon changed?

That is amazing!

[maiden lodge]

Not a lot of chemistry going on in there to be honest

[dim sigil]

I guess that's just that I'm comparing to previous Final Fantasy sages

[lost raft]

the two we've had

[dim sigil]

I think lile Tellah

[lost raft]

tellah and 3

[maiden lodge]

Been no consistancy on sages in the game series, so can't realllllly use that

[lost raft]

sage iirc is just a better red mage

[dim sigil]

Fair

[maiden lodge]

Except for how it's not--ugh.

[pine epoch]

The new beast tribe by the way

[untold gull]

So, since it's heavily ff4 inspired, just think about it - we have the twins too. Remember what happened to the twins?

[next quarry]

Sage in V and 3 were just red mages that didn't use swords

[lost raft]

theyre alright

[maiden lodge]

X is actually just Y job and totally like it while having -radical- differenes needs to stop pls

[lost raft]

no like

[dim sigil]

No

[maiden lodge]

They had a death fakeout like everyone else in that game

[lost raft]

legit sage is just a better red mage in past games

[dim sigil]

I like to think the fact they survived is non-canon

[untold gull]

I'm aware. But it's still a plot point that could, uh, happen 👀

Wait, no actually

[maiden lodge]

Red mage sacrifices depths of spell choice but also gets some physical attack power to make up for it, making them about using the right small spell as you need, and later, double casting small spells to equal a big one.

Sage is just 'I know all the spells without penalty.'

[untold gull]

It kinda already did - with 4.5 and all

[cinder badger]

@lost raft really? Because Sage can't melee to save its life

[pine epoch]

Their grandpa or whatever went to the castle and cured their petrification and then they grow up in after years

[next quarry]

Well kawaiian

Sages have lower MP

To make up for it

[maiden lodge]

Tellah has lower MP. That's just one example.

FF3's does not.

[next quarry]

Which is why they're a pain to use in FF3 at the last few dugneons

[orchid plinth]

Sb 2.0 hypeee

[maiden lodge]

Or not 'lower' enough to count

VS RDM which is actually locked out of entire spells, even in FF1

[dim sigil]

I have a wild theory, Sage is only gonna get 10k mp here

[next quarry]

Sage is different

In xiv

[maiden lodge]

whoa careful with that wild ass speculation bud

[untold gull]

I don't get why y'all referring too much to previous Sage classes, it's clear it's a unique FFXIV class that just gave a nod to an already existing one

[next quarry]

It's gonna have

1000k MP

[orchid plinth]

You might get baneed with the spoilers leaks

[next quarry]

Fuck MP issues

[maiden lodge]

Also, FFTA Sage did completely different stuff than both white and black mages.

[untold gull]

Spoiler leaks for what?

[dim sigil]

I mean yeah that's 14 but it's hard to not compare

[orchid plinth]

Lol it was /s ugh

[cinder badger]

NBHD has a reoccuring pirate theme

[maiden lodge]

hang on

[steady burrow]

has there been any leaks or theorys about the melee

[dim sigil]

What outfit tataru gonna make tho

[compact temple]

well there it is

[untold gull]

Reaper and templar are the two theories

[dim sigil]

Socks

[steady burrow]

reaper sounds cool

[lost raft]

imagine in may if Yoshi-p wears a fucking Calliope shirt

[maiden lodge]

No leaks, a fuck ton of theory, including Necromancer (dumb), Reaper (ok), Templar (actually works), and I mean pirate just came up?

[steady burrow]

wouldnt paladin just be templar

[dim sigil]

Did yoshi-p specifically say it is Death related or was that just fan speculation

[steady burrow]

one likes god

[lost raft]

doesnt pirate come from sex pistols connection?

[steady burrow]

the other likes god

[desert raven]

https://tenor.com/view/calliope-calli-calliope-mori-hololive-cr1tikal-gif-19460019

[drowsy ivy]

Reaper sounds cool af

[maiden lodge]

Show me a temple in the paladin's quests before you ask that.

Show me ONE.

Like do they even walk past one on the way to dicking around about Oathkeeper?

[lost raft]

paladin as templar can only work if they address the weird name difference

[orchid plinth]

New limited job: vampire

[cinder badger]

Templar was originally known as Holy Night

[maiden lodge]

I don't know if you're aware of this, but outside of D&D and its derivatives, Paladin has nothing to do with holy knights.

[desert raven]

tall vampire?

[cinder badger]

Who else is a Holy Night a paladin

[orchid plinth]

Yes, very tall

[cinder badger]

Not much of a difference

[lost raft]

isnt paladin called knight in jp xiv is what i mean

[dim sigil]

I forget the name but there's a job in tactics that has literal weaponized atheism give us that as a job

[maiden lodge]

You... know Paladin comes from the ROYAL knights of Charlemagne?

[steady burrow]

dnd and its derivatives are so many things

[maiden lodge]

And in FF14, they're a ROYAL martial order?

That does nothing, at all, regarding religion?

[steady burrow]

most games that are fantasy are based some way on dnd

[cinder badger]

Anything associated with knights and heavy armor is going to be a tank

[maiden lodge]

Like, argue lore when you have lore to argue from

[dim sigil]

Ff1 was heavily based on dnd

[lost raft]

it was basically a d&d game

[cinder badger]

Are you seriously thinking about giving Templar maiming gear?

[maiden lodge]

Why not?

[cinder badger]

Because it wouldn't look fitting on a Templar

[steady burrow]

isnt it a dps or is it confirmed a tank

[maiden lodge]

Now, if you want to argue past games of FF

[lost raft]

pretty certain they said dps

[maiden lodge]

Temple Knight doesn't mean 'uses white magic'

And Paladin doesn't mean 'holy knight of a temple'

[cinder badger]

Templars wear plate

[vernal haven]

its melee dps yeah

[maiden lodge]

maiming gear is plate armor fam

[lost raft]

also legit question
wouldnt the closer for paladins range phase be a poke at templar, or at least one of the Breaks?

[cinder badger]

Maiming is scale and leather

[maiden lodge]

And plate.

[cinder badger]

Plate is tank

[orchid plinth]

Whos excited for patch 7.0 with new job using scouting gear xD

[maiden lodge]

Dragoon armor is fucking plate, mate.

[carmine basin]

I was looking radz at han more closely and realized I got my wish

[untold gull]

Whatever the next melee class is, it seems highly likely it's using Maiming gear

[maiden lodge]

Those aren't scale and leather they're wearing that clink clinks like plates man

[cinder badger]

Dragoon is scale

[carmine basin]

[coral kite]

Templar still seems weird

[cinder badger]

It's literally made from dragon hide...

[coral kite]

Like dps pld

[lost raft]

hey man
good texture work is practically magic

[untold gull]

Wow, well at least what we got is close enough

[steady burrow]

also was the mc just a paladin on the moon lmao

chad mc

[maiden lodge]

Also, not sure where 'templars are plate' come from

[cinder badger]

Plate armor is bulky and hard to move around in

[pine epoch]

I mean templar in final fantasy doesnt really have any holy abilities. But uses Spellblade (that's the actual name of their skill command) to apply status ailments to enemies to weaken them

[orchid plinth]

Templar would yield large swords, maybe the same just changing the with DRk job stones too

[maiden lodge]

This. And holy abilities, 'white magic' has nothing to do with temples in -any- Final Fantasy.

[pine epoch]

The 2 weapons templars wielding tactics series are KNIGHTSWORD and Spears

[carmine basin]

Look at all those colors and patternsssss

[maiden lodge]

Yeah and WArriors traditionally used swords and summoners sticks, so what?

[untold gull]

It's bootiful, yes

[pine epoch]

No I'm just saying

[untold gull]

[vernal haven]

look at all those colours and patterns, remind everyone to turn gamma correction off so they can see them tho

[orchid plinth]

Let Yoshi P handle it

[coral kite]

I have little experience with jobs in ff outside of xiv so i'm just going based off how they are in other games

[pine epoch]

These things to explain why templar in FF isnt like paladin

[maiden lodge]

You shouldn't. Use this game.

[lusty tangle]

yes

[coral kite]

I assumed they were just another name for pld

[carmine basin]

[maiden lodge]

You can't argue 'paladins are just temple knights' ina game where not a single paladin deals with a single temple ever, nor has any temple connotations at all.

[gritty violet]

Ayo we on da moon

[maiden lodge]

There are two classes that even feature a temple in their lore: Monk, and Red Mage.

[steady burrow]

what if crazy idea guys but get this my guy yoshi p wants to do something original

[lost raft]

quick, uproot paladin. move it to ishgard

[maiden lodge]

And in the latter--no religious connotation

[coral kite]

Figured since they're templars they'd use light aligned spells and do physical damage like any other knight type class

[unreal wadi]

@carmine basin I wanna know

[untold gull]

Only temple knight, or the closest to it, exists in ffxiv are the knights in ishgard

[pine epoch]

As a reminder radz at han is the eulmore of 6.0 so what is the crystarium of 6.0

[unreal wadi]

what the new tome gear looks like

[maiden lodge]

That's not the traditional temple knight in FF lore though.

[unreal wadi]

@pine epoch Dalmasca?

[desert raven]

https://tenor.com/view/basch-fon-ronsenburg-dalmasca-gif-11371473

[untold gull]

Nothing was shown about tome gear

[maiden lodge]

And 'light aspected' has nothing to do with temples. See: White Mage, Paladin

[coral kite]

I dunno what a temple knight is tbh

[lusty tangle]

remains to be seen tbh, i doubt its garlemald or the moon so its probably an unrevealed location

[vernal haven]

given that the only thing sage has in common with ff lore is the name, it wouldn't surprise me if it were

[unreal wadi]

Im gonna guess Dalmasca

[cinder badger]

Look if the Filth and the Fury was really the connection then why choose that particular shirt? He could have won any other nbhd shirt

[unreal wadi]

If you guys know a bigger city in Thavnair, let me know

[pine epoch]

I doubt dalmasca as that's like entirely under matsuno control and writing right now

[unreal wadi]

[cinder badger]

The filth and the fury is NBHD slogan

[lusty tangle]

dalmasca isn';t in thavnair?

[vernal haven]

new york

:)

[maiden lodge]

But if you want something that'll have a place to fit--this is a japanese 'temple knight' or sohei:

[vernal haven]

hang on

discord was being bad

and the chat moved and it moved my quote

[lost raft]

dalmasca is a region to the west of doma, past the burn

[vernal haven]

new york :)

[maiden lodge]

Make the weapon a scythe and it all fits everything

[vernal haven]

there we go

[unreal wadi]

someone got a list of big cities in Thavnair?

[pine epoch]

People still going for sharlayan but I doubt it unless that's the 24 man. I bet it will be some ilsibardian city we never heard of

Radz at han is the capital of thavnair

[vernal haven]

good job i dont ping with my replies

[lusty tangle]

yeah ik, i was replying to someone else who said dalmasca was in thavnair but i forgot to use the reply function haha

[lost raft]

oh heck uh
gomen

[maiden lodge]

People still assuming the expansion is about Garlemald?

[unreal wadi]

so whats the fkin crystarium equivalent

[drowsy ivy]

!faq worldmap

[lusty shadow]

Hydaelyn world map translated by Rommy 🌎

[maiden lodge]

When it's about the Moon?

[unreal wadi]

[cinder badger]

@pine epoch capitol but Yoshi considered it small

[pine epoch]

Yes

[lost raft]

oh hey, south of the burn
neat

[untold gull]

They said we're stepping into garlemald

[pine epoch]

It's about everything Dis

[maiden lodge]

Yoshi P: 'We're going to the moon, Garlemald is in ruins, the small city's nowhere near Ilsabard'
"Guys, where in Ilsabard are we going to have a city for this expansion?"

[coral kite]

Pong

[vernal haven]

the new melee job is actually just astronaut, he smacks people with rocks

[maiden lodge]

Yeah, as a zone

[vernal haven]

moon rocks

[lost raft]

when can we go inside ala mhigo

[carmine basin]

Considering Thavnair seems to be based on India, maaaybe like these

[maiden lodge]

It's -a- zone, but it's ABOUT the moon

[carmine basin]

Oop

[pine epoch]

The moon is the goal

[cinder badger]

Also please keep in mind that Yoshi has expressed desire to create an original job that does not have ties into the franchise

[pine epoch]

That's where it ends

[pastel coyote]

Well i wonder what kind of "side" content we are going to get for 6.0..... if we have any

[cinder badger]

Something that is exclusive to Final Fantasy XIV

[maiden lodge]

Naw, it's not the ''Tempest" or "Azys Lla", they'd hold that back.

[cinder badger]

Everybody always tries to look at jobs from previous titles

[lost raft]

which is why i think it might be whatever ranjit was

at the end

[untold gull]

I wouldn't be surprised if they make something similar to a Lunarian city up there

[pastel coyote]

I mean it make no sense that any faction pose trouble when.... well it's world ending

[pine epoch]

You cant just immediately go to the moon. We have to go through ilsabard and thavnair first to get there

[maiden lodge]

This.

[lusty tangle]

i doubt the city is on the moon seeing as its kind of been said that the moon is part of the later bit of the story rather than the beginning

[maiden lodge]

Hell we KNOW there's a beast tribe on the moon, already

[coral kite]

Sure but for all we know that coulda been Sage considering how different it is from previous iterations

[untold gull]

But the thing is - logo of EW has a bloody hole on it

[lost raft]

we do?
i missed that

[coral kite]

[vernal haven]

yeah later in the story might just mean max level

[cinder badger]

Only sage has existed in Final Fantasy before

[vernal haven]

as opposed to later patch

[wind orbit]

garlean restoration

[cinder badger]

So he can't exactly call it original even if he added his original spin on it

[maiden lodge]

Yeah, as part of the tease 'it's on the moon, do you know of any thing in FF from the moon? HMMMMM'

[lost raft]

nice

[pine epoch]

I've waited for ilsabard since ARR and if it gets barely 3 zones I will be fucking pissed

[lost raft]

it will be 2

and a dungeon

[pine epoch]

Thavnair the entire island takes up 1 zone

[maiden lodge]

Get ready to be mad then, the story's not about Ilsabard.

[wind orbit]

ye

[unique verge]

Just throwing this out there

[mossy iron]

Gaius taking over the empire seems...

Meh

[unique verge]

to me, the most exciting aspect of going to moon, is seeing the Source in the skybox. It might tell us ALOT about the world we dont know yet.

[pine epoch]

Yoshida already confirmed all of thavnair is 1 zone

[maiden lodge]

Garlemald will be a stepping stone but not a focus of the expansion.

[mossy iron]

Like, he had his chance

[lost raft]

i kinda dont want that, i still dont trust him

[dim sigil]

This is the same place thav right

[pastel coyote]

it is

[oak pike]

Yeah

[mossy iron]

Now he's just trying to redeem himself somehow

[carmine basin]

Tho very unlikely I would love clothes based on indonesia traditional clothes

[pine epoch]

ITS ALWAYS BEEN A GOD FUCKING DAMN STEPPING STONE DIS IM NOT WANTING GARLEMALD TO BE THE FUCKING FOCUS

[vernal haven]

just like how daddy xenos is going to step on us?

[oak pike]

Thavnair could possibly be the first area

[mossy iron]

Thavnair is more...

[lusty tangle]

thavnair is probably the first area

[maiden lodge]

And seriously, the people who fuckin freak out about 'Stormblood is shit because it's split between Othard and Ala Migho' would have a shitfit if it spent little time on the moon that is the core of advertisement

[cinder badger]

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Wisdom_of_the_Templar_(Logos_Action)

[mossy iron]

Desert

[pine epoch]

THERE IS A FUCKING DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WANTING GARLEMALD AS THE FOCUS AND GOING TO FUCKING ILSABARD

[pastel coyote]

The moon could NOT be the last area too

[coral kite]

The all caps is unnecessary

🤨

[cinder badger]

Hey look it's a Templar themed ability and it seems to only be available to Healers

[oak pike]

Moon gonna be a instance area bet

[dim sigil]

The final zone will be dozy im sure

[maiden lodge]

I know, I'm just saying.... the moon is the 'First' of this expansion, there's nor eason why it would get relegated to only two zones

[cinder badger]

Thanks logos

[turbid helm]

moon eureka oh no...

[unique verge]

There's like zero way the moon isnt the final area lets be real

[lost raft]

moon diadem 3.0
with emergency dungeon

[mossy iron]

I'm thinking the big city for this expac will be on the moon

[maiden lodge]

The final area will be on the moon, but the moon will not BE the final area.

[pine epoch]

Then we are at fucking odds Dis

[maiden lodge]

Nope.

[unique verge]

I mean, that's the same thing?

[turbid helm]

we're gonna fight zenos on the moon, asura's wrath style

[coral kite]

You sure we won't get Moon PotD?

[vernal haven]

the raid tier has moon gravity

[pine epoch]

And we will never agree on this until we physical get 6.0 and see

[maiden lodge]

No. The final area of Shadowbringers is ON the First. The First is not the final area of Shadowbringers.

[unreal wadi]

Then we shall wait

until fanfest @pine epoch

[rugged oxide]

I just noticed something

[prime verge]

Is there any kind of hint for what the hub city might be

[unique verge]

Oh, whatever. Its not like we can make predictions about what the specific area is because we know fuck all about the moon

[rugged oxide]

Here we have Fandaniel

[unreal wadi]

@unique verge the moon has rocks

[gaunt star]

Moons gonna be tempest equivalent (and maybe, MAYBE raid location)

[rugged oxide]

Here we have the cult in Ampador

[brisk quail]

*fannypack

[vernal haven]

the moon is made of cheese

[unique verge]

holy shit is this confirmed?

[oak pike]

Moon is a greyish white

[maiden lodge]

No, but we can predict that if they were relegating the moon to zone 6, they wouldn't make it a cornerstone of the expansion, and base all the iconography and selling point on it.

[unreal wadi]

idfk

maybe

[untold gull]

Ah yes, wearing red much like rubicante and is the advisor to our golbez zenos

[turbid helm]

pretty sure this moon is a fake; didn't see the american flag on there

[prime verge]

I doubt moon is the final zone the way the tempest is in shadowbringers

[mossy iron]

I put that earlier Toasty xD

[pine epoch]

6 zones per expansion

[mossy iron]

And Viera too

[maiden lodge]

If they were relegating the moon to zone 6--we wouldn't have a moon to talk about.

Think of it THAT way.

[pine epoch]

1 is thavnair and most likely the 2nd place we go to in the story

[gaunt star]

Friendly reminder that the new years letter exists

[prime verge]

This

[carmine basin]

If it's more arabian

[prime verge]

Lmao do we even know what any of this means

[gaunt star]

No but its there for speculation

[untold gull]

I've been thinking, past 6.0, we might actually go to merycidia just because it can lead us to space

[turbid helm]

it means moon's haunted

[empty scaffold]

Like Hydaelyn like WOL

[prime verge]

LMAO

[rugged oxide]

Yeah but they are both related do void based on what we saw

[gaunt star]

Line 2 = moon

[turbid helm]

the drip

[prime verge]

This is the new PLD af gear

Just square Enix boots

Gimme

[untold gull]

I was just... I was just making ff4 stuff up, man...

[frigid thistle]

Man what the hell has pixar been doing with toy story

[maiden lodge]

Honestly, I think it will be Garlemald first (cause we are already sending people in to inviltrate) and then we find out we can't solve the problem there, so we're like 'holy shit the moon what do' so we go to Thavnair because smart people who aren't forum pricks are there, and that's how we spaceship then it's MOOOOOOON

[untold gull]

If i'm being serious, i'd say void ark raid will be required for this expac. The tower designs are very Mhachian

[turbid helm]

now we're speculating the order we'll travel to the new zones? damn we're bored

[pine epoch]

I still think the spaceship is somewhere in ilsabard and thavnair is a place we go to as they have a key to forstall the final days 2

[untold gull]

They've got a working ark even if it was filled with voidsent

[pine epoch]

To give us time to go to the moon

[prime verge]

It can’t be garlemald cause didnt they say that they wont be revealing the hub city yet in the announcement?? Yet they revealed garlemald as a location

[unborn lantern]

so with the new trailer

this proves we're an ascian

owo

[rugged oxide]

I suspect Fanny to be the leader of the Dalamud Cult

[maiden lodge]

Im not saying we go to Garlemald and it's the city. I'm saying we go and it's a shithole.

[untold gull]

Did you.... Did you finish 5.3....

[unborn lantern]

with the robe and shet

[prime verge]

Oh yeah lol

[turbid helm]

we already knew that...

[lusty tangle]

i honestly think thavnair might be the first place, because they usually introduce the end-game hub area really early on, but i do think your speculation also has merit and is definitely possible

[prime verge]

L O L

[maiden lodge]

Heavensward didn't reveal Idyllshire until almost the end

[turbid helm]

the trailer with us walking made us look like azem, as the sun was his symbol

[lusty tangle]

that is a really good point that i didn't consider lmfao

[prime verge]

Yeah I think thavnair may be one of the first areas we go to

[unborn lantern]

yeah i knew i was right, i was wronged before

[prime verge]

Yeah I noticed that too, the robe rlly gives that ascian on the moon feel haha

[lusty tangle]

but then again the last 2 end-game hubs have been introduced very early on, so they might continue the trend

[unborn lantern]

everyone disagreed

:C

[unreal wadi]

@maiden lodge like a couple of people said, garlean restoration

[unborn lantern]

WHO IS LAUGHIN NOW

[unreal wadi]

[prime verge]

Garlean housing

[drowsy ivy]

they stated several times
Thavnair is the first city zone we go to. Like Crystarium. They didnt want to spoil what the Endgame hub would be

[gritty violet]

U wanna know a joke?

[maiden lodge]

'burning it to the ground IS restoration'

[gritty violet]

5.5 hype

[turbid helm]

imagine wanting to live in garlemald. it's the detroit of hydaelyn

[untold gull]

It's been a whole ass patch. We've known that since 5.3. A bit too late to brag now

[lusty tangle]

i'm pretty sure they literally said radz is the endgame hub

[maiden lodge]

They... said Thavnair is the endgame hub... the 'small city'

[pine epoch]

Radz is the end game hub

[unreal wadi]

@lusty tangle correct

[unborn lantern]

Says you, you don't know how much I got hate and almost got kicked for saying that

[unreal wadi]

It was mentioned that it'll be like Eulmore

[prime verge]

I could’ve sworn they said we’re not revealing the hub city yet

[unborn lantern]

[unreal wadi]

Hub city was already mentioned

[gaunt star]

Hub city is thavnair

[mossy iron]

Radz-at-Han is not hub, it's minor

[maiden lodge]

'small city' means endgame tomestone hub

[gaunt star]

?

[mossy iron]

Mm

[turbid helm]

hub city will always be limsa, nice try kids

[gaunt star]

Hub city = endgame

[untold gull]

End game city, is what it is

[maiden lodge]

'large city' means that big hub

[unreal wadi]

Limsa deleted

[mossy iron]

Small city doesn't have a MB

[unreal wadi]

where will the erp go

[lusty tangle]

i'm pretty sure they have literally said radz is the equivalent of eulmore for this expac, i dont know where the confusion is coming from

[unborn lantern]

i wish they'd destroy limsa

[pine epoch]

Radz at han is the small city and the entire island of thavnair is 1 zone according to yoshida, then we have 5 zones left unaccounted

[untold gull]

Uldah

[gaunt star]

Thavnair is the eulmore of END

[pine epoch]

Garlemald is 1 zone

[gaunt star]

Yea but isnt radz at han in thavnair

[lusty tangle]

well 4 zones, cause we already know garlemald is another

[pine epoch]

That's now 4 zones

[maiden lodge]

Garlemald is another zone

[gaunt star]

Garlemald might be zone 6

[pine epoch]

I wasnt done typing

[unreal wadi]

it was especially mentioned

Zenos is still at fkin Garlemald @gaunt star

[mossy iron]

Garlemald is a heaping pile of death and destruction

[maiden lodge]

Okay.... let's roll with this. Garlemald might be Zone 1 AND Zone 6.

[carmine basin]

Radz-at-Han is like Eulmore/Rhalgr's Reach/Idllyshire/Mor Dhona

[unreal wadi]

sittin on his throne

[turbid helm]

I mad WoL doesn't have a Fortemps crest on any of his PLD gear

[mossy iron]

Civil War over the throne makes it splody

[pine epoch]

We have all of ilsabard left unexplored if it's just garlemald we go to

[lusty tangle]

i can definitely see garlemald having both beginning and ending zones

[gaunt star]

Hmm

[pine epoch]

The moon is atleast 1 or 2 zones

[maiden lodge]

cause it has the sultansworn crest

[unreal wadi]

Most of the legions have split off

VII legion is Sorrow of Werlyt

[mossy iron]

Yep

[unreal wadi]

IV is Bozja

[pine epoch]

I dont think the moon is the final zone but the 5th we go to.

[mossy iron]

But before that, splody

[prime verge]

I’m just rlly curious about the order bc if the moon is a big part of the expansion, in what order and how much time r we gonna spend in all these other places if moon is not endgame area

[maiden lodge]

Not having both. Being both.

Meaning you START in Zone 6

[gaunt star]

Zodiark's gonna come into play in END and he's on the moon which is why I think the moon will appear near the end

[unreal wadi]

@prime verge moon bunny

[pine epoch]

Shut up dis

[untold gull]

I thought it's 7th legion in werlyt storyline

[prime verge]

This is how male viera gets announced, secret male moon bunny colony

[untold gull]

Like... It was the reformed 7th after nael

[turbid helm]

It's EW, not END

[unreal wadi]

recorrected

[lusty tangle]

here's what i think : there's 2 zones on the moon, an outer zone that is maybe the 3rd or 4th zone, and an inner zone that's in the "core" of the moon that's the final area

[gaunt star]

Fandaniel and Zenos are gonna be minibosses and then Zodiark(+Zenos) will probably be final boss

[maiden lodge]

Four moon zones.

It's the cornerstone.

[prime verge]

I’m just glad fandaniel isn’t the final boss

[gaunt star]

4 moon zones seems kinda...

[lusty tangle]

definintely not four moon zones

[prime verge]

Also when they said “fandaniel is more complex than you think” that was hype

[untold gull]

Sharlayan

[maiden lodge]

It's the expansion destination.

[lusty tangle]

its A destination in the expansion, not THE destination

[maiden lodge]

Like if you predicted 'no way we're getting more than two zones in the First' around this time last expansion you'd be silly

[unreal wadi]

His face is punchable because Asahi

[untold gull]

I have a feeling he knew what caused the final days

[turbid helm]

I'm bored of villains you can't sympathize with. chaotic evil shit is just wack

[gaunt star]

Garlemald is first key location then the moon is final boss key location

[maiden lodge]

It's the expansion keystone selling point, it's the iconry, it's the entire everything it's sold around.

[untold gull]

Like, he knew what that shit is beneath the earth, that deep rumbling

[gaunt star]

Or maybe they'll switch it around

[turbid helm]

there's gonna be a zone under the moon's surface

[unreal wadi]

Lunar Bahamut's gonna be a boss

[gaunt star]

I need more info on how we're doing moon shit to judge how it'll work

[turbid helm]

lunar bahamut gonna be the first boss in the 81 dungeon

[mossy iron]

Fandaniel is making a big production to hide what he's really up to

Plus, his cheese is sliding off his cracker

[untold gull]

We can also always look forward to the 14 version of Zeromus

[maiden lodge]

'This expansion is about going to the moon' spends 5 zones away from the moon.

This place gets butthurt that Stormblood spend less than 4 zones in Othard, you think you'll be happy with less than 4 on the moon?

[prime verge]

I feel it gives a nice counter to shadowbringers mega sympathetic villains, like a fresh feeling, but it will grow old soon. Hopefully fandaniel’s one dimensional personality wont stay one dimensional for long

[mossy iron]

Hidden crazies are skeery

[maiden lodge]

Naw, you'll bitch about 'split narratives'

[pine epoch]

Were not gonna see eye to eye on this dis until yoshida flat out shows us

[lusty tangle]

i get that, but i still think 4 zones on the moon won't happen, 2 or 3 definitely but 4 is pushing it

[maiden lodge]

Then why tell us it's wwhere the expansion takes place?

Cause YP literally said that.

[prime verge]

Listen guys all this is wild speculations; i don’t know shit about anything until I see it lol

[untold gull]

Eh, maybe 3 on the surface then 4th area is inside the moon

[lusty tangle]

he didn't say its where the expansion takes place

[gaunt star]

I get where you're coming from. Im looking at this with the perspective of "but .. its just rock" but they did suggest a civilisation's on the moon so realism is out the window

[turbid helm]

Speaking of split narratives, how about another SB expansion

[coral kite]

It's not hard to think that the moon will be where a lot of the big story beats take place though. They've been advertising it this whole time

[lusty tangle]

he just said the moon is an imporatnt part of this expansion

[maiden lodge]

Yes he did Multiple times.

[zenith turret]

someone wasnt listening

[gaunt star]

Theres a side interview where he mentions it too

[drowsy ivy]

Unless there is some underground cities on the moon there will be fuck all to do there
shits empty
cant have 4 zones of empty
we go to moon for one zone at MOST

[zenith turret]

lmao

[pine epoch]

Ok in gonna stop here why the fuck didnt they show a single area from the moon

[maiden lodge]

We know there's at least one beast tribe there, it ain't empty.

[gaunt star]

^

[untold gull]

It was said plain and simple that we're going to the moon

[gaunt star]

Imagine going to the moon and its empty

[pine epoch]

We are going to the moon but they didnt show a single area

[gaunt star]

LMAO

[turbid helm]

spoiler implications maybe

[prime verge]

Also yoshi mentioned that the whole “how can we breathe on the moon” thing is gonna be a suspend your disbelief thing so I won’t be surprised if there are civilizations

[maiden lodge]

Bceause they won't spoil 5.5.

[zenith turret]

why the hell would they show lategame zomes

[prime verge]

Elidibus and ardbert were chilling on the moon supposedly without air so

[vernal haven]

we have blitzball player lungs its okay

[gaunt star]

... did they show amaurot

[zenith turret]

zones*

[drowsy ivy]

Moon has to be empty because thats where they are keeping the next Ultimate raid

[gaunt star]

Did they show tempest

No

[untold gull]

I mean, we have two new jobs and we haven't seen what the second one is. So what's the point of asking why is there no moon areas

[pine epoch]

Technically yes they did

[gaunt star]

Did they

Well that ones on me

[turbid helm]

they just didn't show amarot

[vernal haven]

the real question is do i buy a shirt, and why do i live in eu

[pine epoch]

They showed amaurot in the 5.0 launch trailer but still

[prime verge]

Bro I’m excited for that lahabrea raid, wtf is that about

[pine epoch]

They showed it before the game launched

[prime verge]

How is that gonna play out

[turbid helm]

40 bucks for a T-Shirt is always dumb

[untold gull]

Wanna try living in Australia where they don't fucking ship anything?

[gaunt star]

Either way theres gonna be more info in May

[maiden lodge]

after the .56 patches and the story was out, and we knew we were going to the first, andw ithout any context

[gaunt star]

They already showed us a good chunk of stuff

[vernal haven]

£28 for a shirt is less bad than 40 but i mean you aren't really buying it as a function thing

[tropic frigate]

could be lahabrea wanting to end the world once again since its after 6.0 and everything is resolved :^)

[gaunt star]

And this was just the teaser

[turbid helm]

we're gonna walk into Lahabread's penthouse suite Rick James style, and kick the shit out of his white couch with our muddy shoes

[vernal haven]

its like jewellery or smth

self expression

[pine epoch]

We knew we were going to the first since shb last fanfest which spoiled 4.56 ending

[gaunt star]

I got bad news for u

[maiden lodge]

I mean YP also said the reason they showed nothing about the moon or how we get there is because it's .5 spoilers

[vernal haven]

except with added dev support i guess

[gaunt star]

Oh did he? I missed that

[pine epoch]

I dont remember that dis

[prime verge]

Nah, lahee descends and says “I lived bitch” as soon as we get on the moon then we kick the everloving shit out of him and feel bad about it later

[lusty tangle]

where did he say that

[heady shadow]

we only got a teaser. wait till may(?) for the digital fest. it'sll be juicy.

[gaunt star]

I personally dont wanna see anything yet cuz it'd just be too much hype that itd start killing it a bit

[pine epoch]

I seriously dont remember yoshidas saying they arent showing anything about the moon cause of spoilers

[gaunt star]

Im already tired of the game 😩

[tropic frigate]

i remember there was a lot he didnt want to mention because spoilers

[maiden lodge]

He said something like 'why the moon? How do we get there? We'll find out in the lead up to 6.0'

[untold gull]

I remember them saying they really can't say more about the moon because spoilers

[twilit shale]

he did say there's oxygen on the moon in ffxiv

[maiden lodge]

There's a LOT they can't say because of patch spoilers

[prime verge]

Mhm

[pine epoch]

The first 2 is correct. He said find out how IN 6.0

[gaunt star]

Haha what if the moon crashed into us again wouldnt that be crazy

[lusty tangle]

second seventh umbral calamity

[gaunt star]

Dalamud 2 anyone

[pine epoch]

Not the lead up

[turbid helm]

Moon is Starkiller Base, Cid will build us a spaceship using Omega technology, then we'll meet up with the Wookies and Han Solo

[pine epoch]

But in 6.0

[untold gull]

Which, btw, they can say more of on may because 5.5 part 1 would've been out by then

[tropic frigate]

hope the unexpected ending is good

[coral kite]

Dalamud 2 then 7.0 begins

[gaunt star]

Wont both parts be out?

[pine epoch]

Only part 1

Part 2 releases after digital fanfest

[untold gull]

They just said end of may for part 2

[prime verge]

As much as zenos and fandaniel are one dimensional they kinda grew on me lol, I’m rlly excited to see fandaniel’s apparently “complex goal”

[turbid helm]

fandaniel sucks don't @ me

[prime verge]

LOL

[turbid helm]

literally less interesting than lahabread that's an accomplishment

[untold gull]

I've always wondered - how come only lahabrea and emet survived the sundering.

[lusty tangle]

@turbid helm

[prime verge]

Don’t diss my man lahee like this

[fast rampart]

i just wanna hear the full trailer song

[prime verge]

Elidibus makes sense cause zodiark’s heart, the other two don’t

[untold gull]

Ya that's what i mean

[pine epoch]

But ya I am not putting stock into where the zones are until yoshida sits us the fuck down and shows us the zones.

[prime verge]

Mhm

[pine epoch]

We have seen 2

[gaunt star]

Lahabrea is just there to waste our time with his monologue in prae

[pine epoch]

And can assume 3

[prime verge]

Same, it’s too early to tell

[turbid helm]

probably has to do with that reality bubble elidibus sent us to in the 5.3 trial

[gaunt star]

The 13th shard

[turbid helm]

void shard

[gaunt star]

He sent us to the 13th

[fast rampart]

didn't he send us to the rift?

[untold gull]

Reality bubble? He sent us to the void

[prime verge]

No he sent us to the rift

[gaunt star]

But we said "WOD 2? hell naw"

??

[untold gull]

Oh, rift is it called?

[prime verge]

Yeah I think so

[mossy iron]

Voiddddd

[turbid helm]

yeah idk the name for it

[prime verge]

It’s that void place ascians go to when they wanna escape death

[gaunt star]

He sent them to where the ascians were forced to retreat to time and again... Is that not the 13th?

[turbid helm]

Voidddd Voidddd Voiddd

[gaunt star]

[fast rampart]

rift =/= the 13th/void

[untold gull]

Well, he legit said we got sent to the place where they go when they're 'killed'

[pine epoch]

Also theres no problem with a split expansion if its handled by 1 writer, I mean heavensward technically was a split expansion same as SHB. The zones in all the expansions are like across vast distances.

[prime verge]

No, 13th got fucked by the ascians, they don’t go anywhere near that thing lol

[gaunt star]

I see

Any rift gamers in chat

[turbid helm]

didn't cloud of darkness destroy the 13th shard

[mossy iron]

pokes succubus in the corner

[gaunt star]

Wait was SB not written by the same person throughout...?

[prime verge]

No, the ascians got too excited to rejoin and fucked the 13th into so much darkness that they couldn’t rejoin it

[pine epoch]

Ishikawa wrote half of stormblood

Oda san wrote the other half

[gaunt star]

Thats strange

[fast rampart]

i'd love a void restoration effort

[untold gull]

Wow..

[maiden lodge]

HW wasn't written by one person either so

[gaunt star]

Void restoration

[pine epoch]

Uh you sure dis

[fast rampart]

pump the excess light still in the 1st into the 13th with a tesseract

[gaunt star]

First of all: no
Second: no

[pine epoch]

I remember credits saying it had 1 writer for HW

[turbid helm]

void restoration. so that's where the 10 years of content Yoshida mentioned is coming from

[gaunt star]

Ishgard restoration stoopid

[mossy iron]

Can we not

[drowsy ivy]

"if you can restore a housing project you can restore a planet"

[prime verge]

I wonder if the same writer for shb will work on this

[untold gull]

lol

[gaunt star]

We already have garlemald restoration anyway

[mossy iron]

I feel like fixing a place where Voidsent are would be bad somehow

[turbid helm]

send me to the shard with the necromancer waifu

[gaunt star]

No

[untold gull]

I hope so, but rhat would mean ishikawa might actually kill one of our lovelies

[prime verge]

Zenos with a scythe is all I want

[prime verge]

I have one fear meme

[mossy iron]

hides her pet succubus

[pine epoch]

The othard arc was done by ishikawa

While oda did ala mhigo

[prime verge]

Ishikawa writing 6.0: 🥰🥰
Ishikawa writing 6.0 means someone amazing will die: ☹️

[mossy iron]

Moenbrydaaaaa

[vernal haven]

its you

[untold gull]

They both worked together on shb too but ishikawa was the main msq scenario writer

[turbid helm]

we're due for a scion death again

[vernal haven]

you, the player, will die in 6.0

[prime verge]

Othard was the best part of sb so makes sense

[prime verge]

Yes please

[untold gull]

Ya lol, othard was so good

[lusty tangle]

after you finish 6.0 your character gets deleted

[vernal haven]

not your character

[lusty tangle]

this is how we get a new story in 6.1 onwards

[vernal haven]

they send a hitman out irl

[lusty tangle]

you, the player, get deleted from life

[prime verge]

6.0 ends: okay guys make a new character in character creator

[untold gull]

They need a reason to push Derplander into wandering again

[pine epoch]

Ya I went and looked it up the writer for HW is sole credited to Kazutoyo Maehiro

[prime verge]

If you picked miqote now that’s irrelevant pick something else bitch

[vernal haven]

we're starting a new story arc after 6.0, as a result your characters are being deleted :)

[mossy iron]

flicks her ears

[turbid helm]

I dunno how the next expansion is gonna be anywhere as interesting as ShB and EW

[mossy iron]

Can't make me

[untold gull]

They can always bring us to merycidia

[vernal haven]

the next expansion is a beach episode

[lusty tangle]

it probably won't seeing as its likely going to be all setup for the next major arc

[prime verge]

I’m scared for this reason, I’m totally okay with something new, but how will they ever top this

[maiden lodge]

Yep. We know Ishikawa wrote parts of it, despite Kazutoyo Maehiro being credited as the main scenario writer.

Banri Oda and Ishikawa are both credited with main scenario writer for both Shadowbringers -and- Stormblood, but we know she had less of a leading hand on Stormblood, and that she was defacto lead for Shadowbringers.

We also know they don't use one writer for main scenario but use a pyramid structure where there's a lead, and underwriters guided by the lead. (Source: Ishikawa, Pax East)

[vernal haven]

yeah but the entire expansion

[turbid helm]

Are there any worthwhile storylines to explore after this?

[lusty tangle]

we don't know lol

seeing as seemingly everythging has been connected to hydaelyn/zodiark and by connection the ascians as well

[untold gull]

DRAGONS

[digital radish]

^

[worn bloom]

Eh

[lusty tangle]

dragons could be a possibility actually

[turbid helm]

Dragons are wack

[drowsy ivy]

Yeah Meracydia and New World have some strong potential

[maiden lodge]

We already know the ascian story line won't end with HvZ, cause Pandaemonium

[worn bloom]

Dragons are basically aliens.

[lusty tangle]

good point

[drowsy ivy]

or going to Dragonstar if we get space travel to go faster

[prime verge]

I’m so worried tho bc this arc is just so mind blowing and world altering soooo, what else could ever top such deep lore

[untold gull]

There's also the fact that Midgardsommr will awaken in a future time, based on the Tales of the Shadow

[maiden lodge]

There's still mysteries to explore. The Twelve is one.

[austere bear]

howcome we landing the spaceship on the dark side of the moon?

[storm meteor]

A few midgardsormr children are still unaccounted for

[turbid helm]

I read someone was speculating about whatever it is Hydaelyn told Midgardsomr to guard at the lake

[gaunt star]

I cant wait for the gear we get at the end of 5.5

Or 5.51

[maiden lodge]

The Presence at Silvertear, yeah

[untold gull]

I'm honestly hoping silvertear is the alliance raid

[gaunt star]

If we do get gear...

[turbid helm]

yes pls

[austere bear]

rip all the raiders who gearing up for ultimate this year

[gaunt star]

Gimme ascian robes

[maiden lodge]

Tataru's probably making us that sick cloak

[gaunt star]

Yea i gave up LMFAO

[turbid helm]

gimme an actual cloak

[lusty tangle]

zodiark is under silvertear

[worn bloom]

There was a distinct lack of Tataru in ShB 😦

[gaunt star]

On the plus side, relic pants are bis so i can spend my 8 books on twine

[maiden lodge]

I want that grey cloak from the trailer, being all Ascian-adjacent but also grey showing not

[teal geyser]

Good

[drowsy ivy]

she was on a whole other planet
hard to show up

[worn bloom]

You speak blastphemy.

[austere bear]

on the plus side that means the 2 new jobs will have ultimate weapons

[mossy iron]

^

[untold gull]

If it has a hood, i'm disappointingly expecting my au ra's ear flappers to clip through it

[teal geyser]

fashion item

[gaunt star]

Tatarus a primal

[turbid helm]

Zenos is actually stronger than us because he's wearing a belt

[maiden lodge]

Need lessons from Yugiri

[teal geyser]

lol

[gaunt star]

Cloak from trailer
Vieras ears clip through

Which makes sense

Actually

Ear holes

[austere bear]

viera still havent had a new hairstyle in 2 years

[gaunt star]

Yep

[hushed sequoia]

hrothgar cant even swap to their alt hairstyles

[drowsy ivy]

good
fuck viera

[gaunt star]

WOL has 2 belts check mate

[turbid helm]

hrothgar were a mistake

[fast rampart]

fandaniel got lazy and is just wearing augmented cryptlurker robes

[drowsy ivy]

that pld armor in the trailer DID have belts on it

[teal geyser]

those are just glamoured on, he's actually not wearing any

[gaunt star]

Glamoured belts

God thats just sad

[maiden lodge]

he's not lazy he wants to die to mechanics, he's kinky like that

[turbid helm]

yeah but he's gonna have to give them up in 6.0

[unborn lantern]

7.0 hypeeeeeeeee

[lusty tangle]

yo who's ready for 8.0

[gaunt star]

"fandaniel is complex"

"I want to DIE i wish to PERISH i wish to destroy EVERYTHING and MYSELF"

[turbid helm]

7.0 eh?

[unborn lantern]

im ready for 9.0

[gaunt star]

Dude i thought we were gonna fight SOS together as an amaroutine

[turbid helm]

Final boss of EW is a Guilty Gear character w/ 20 belts

[austere bear]

sounds like a standard FF villain

[lusty tangle]

can't wait to go to detroit in 10.0

[gaunt star]

But the limitations of tech

And stupid people in DF

[unborn lantern]

cant wait for 11.0

we're literally a primal

[mossy iron]

Watch out for Phase 18

[turbid helm]

we're going to garlemald

[prime verge]

So fandaniel is just me except I have notably less homicidal tendencies

[gaunt star]

Yes

[mossy iron]

Fandaniel is putting on a show

[prime verge]

I love this idea

[mossy iron]

A crazy show, but one nonetheless

[unborn lantern]

If emet, and elidibus was still alive they'd cast Fandaniel out

since he's a rogue ascian

[mossy iron]

He's a showman

[prime verge]

He’s def not complex as he is now

[teal geyser]

The...greatest showman?

[prime verge]

But I hope we get more of his motives and thoughts

[turbid helm]

zenos still unimpressed with the show so far

[mossy iron]

He's hiding what he's doing behind his crazy

[prime verge]

I like zenos cause simp nation

[unborn lantern]

too bad we didn't see zenos, vs elidibus

they were about to scrap

[unreal wadi]

@unborn lantern it did happen

[turbid helm]

elidibus ran away like a bitch before they could fight

[unborn lantern]

really?

[maiden lodge]

Elidibus is primal, it'd be a fast fight.

[teal geyser]

mom said it was his turn on the xbox but Lahabrea snatched the controller and daddy Elidibus didn't do anything about it

[unreal wadi]

since Zenos forced Elidibus to run away

[maiden lodge]

Zenos is rock, primal is scissors.

[unborn lantern]

elidibus ran away?!

but but

[unreal wadi]

Elidibus was using Zenos' body

[turbid helm]

yes

[mossy iron]

XD

[unreal wadi]

then when Zenos actually came

He ran off

[unborn lantern]

he turned into a WOL

[unreal wadi]

Yep

[turbid helm]

zenos said he was disappointed he didn't get to fight himself because elidibus ran away

[drowsy ivy]

Ascians FEAR the Samurai

[prime verge]

Fandaniel killed his family for Xbox privileges

[remote notch]

He died being a false profit

[unreal wadi]

Imagine being scared

[prime verge]

Elidibus didn’t wanna waste his sexy primal powers on a bitch like zenos

[maiden lodge]

To be fair to Elidibus though, Zenos IS ELidibus's kryptonite, like Zenos doesnt' have to be a bad-ass in a physical sense, Zenos could just go 'You're mine now'

[unreal wadi]

when you're a fucking Ascian

[turbid helm]

elidibus was scared of the zenos simp army killing him if he won that fight

[unborn lantern]

I mean elidibus had other goals, he didn't run away

[maiden lodge]

He's not. He's a primal.

[unborn lantern]

we were more of a threat

[unreal wadi]

True

[teal geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[maiden lodge]

Elidibus, the primal, would not go against Zenos, the primal-possessor

[prime verge]

I’m a simp for zenos but he deserves death

[teal geyser]

Shinryu was just a basic bitch /s

[unborn lantern]

Zenos is boring villain

[maiden lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/eleanor-basic-good-place-ya-basic-gif-15796630

[unborn lantern]

he's just crazy insane

[maiden lodge]

that canadian tv thumbnail lawl

[turbid helm]

and not in the interesting, joker way

[unborn lantern]

yeah he just sits there

[remote notch]

Zeno's litterally cuts buildings in half, lives after being both killed and controlled, litterally starts a civil war, goes and breaks his own weapons and doesn't care if everyone dies.... Can we PLEASE go and just press del on him

[unborn lantern]

his powers have no background

[maiden lodge]

so like Sephiroth then

[unborn lantern]

whatsoever

[turbid helm]

not yet, anyway.

[unreal wadi]

i mean they added the echo on him

[unborn lantern]

and his fake sharingan shit

[cinder badger]

Hey I actually understand the necessity of astrologian losing its nocturnal sect

[next quarry]

I'll press myself on him

[lusty tangle]

i think we're going to get background on his powers in the leadup to, or in, 6.0

[unborn lantern]

Zenos a weeb

[turbid helm]

he was a lab experiment

[unreal wadi]

like, surgically added the echo

[cinder badger]

Astrologian no longer needs to be both

[unreal wadi]

like Fordola

[maiden lodge]

except the Resonant and the fact he is a tryhard using a golfcaddy with magic swords worshiped for being kami

[teal geyser]

idk what plot you're doing because all Zenos does is sit on his chair all day. dude's greatest battle isn't going to be with us it's going to be with sore ass

[remote notch]

Also 8 player mount

[prime verge]

Listen the only way zenos will be valid is if he busts out with a scythe in 6.0

[mossy iron]

Krile's echo, ye?

[unreal wadi]

@mossy iron yep

[remote notch]

Fair enough xD

[worn bloom]

Scythe seems a bit over the top even for FF.

[maiden lodge]

Hemmerhoids (Savage)

[teal geyser]

It's not really clear when Zenos got his resonant so....who knows

[cinder badger]

We will have four Healers so 2 can be barrier and two can be pure

[lusty tangle]

didn't ranjit literally have a scythe

[unborn lantern]

Imagine, if the zenos thing turned into a Freiza & Goku relationship since it was stated he thinks of us as a "Friend"

[unreal wadi]

it may have been a bunch of people @teal geyser

[unborn lantern]

and in the end we gonna team up with zenos to beat a higher threat

[prime verge]

Only interesting thing about zenos is his artificial echo

[cinder badger]

We don't even know if the new job will have a scythe

[unborn lantern]

or fandaniel something

xD

[turbid helm]

oh, I forgot Ranjit existed. Definitely the low point of ShB tbh

[mossy iron]

Which castrum was it that we save her at the end of

The one with the roadhog

[remote notch]

I'm actually thinking the new job will be a fencer

[unreal wadi]

@mossy iron Abania

[unborn lantern]

Ran'jit was more threatening though

[mossy iron]

Right

[brisk quail]

Btw

[unborn lantern]

than Zenos

[prime verge]

Did u see yoshi’s shirt tho

[mossy iron]

Ran'jit was part sineater

[lusty tangle]

i personally thought ran'jit was actually a really good character

[brisk quail]

Did they announce WHAT would be changing with castrum rewardsM

[teal geyser]

his dreams

[remote notch]

Yeah but I doubt it meant much

[cinder badger]

How can we possibly have a fencer we already have a job with a rapier a job with a great sword and a job with a longsword

[unreal wadi]

Nothing yet

[prime verge]

Yeah that too

[turbid helm]

inb4 zenos is another convocation member

[brisk quail]

Or did they say it'll be better. Look forward to it

[mossy iron]

He got tired of training and watching Minfilias die

[maiden lodge]

Ran'jit existed to be a foil to Thancred and Ryne. That was his role. He did his role well.

[unreal wadi]

All we know is that it will be coming out before 5.5 patch @brisk quail

[prime verge]

Zenos is gonna turn into an ascian in 6.0 guys

[teal geyser]

They repeated him doing the same thing over and over that it kinda ruined it

[unreal wadi]

It's going to be a hotfix

[cinder badger]

Also how exactly do we learn to be Ranjit job when he lived on the first

[remote notch]

True, but redmage is litterally magic, why I'm thinking that's possible

[brisk quail]

Cool cool

[unborn lantern]

Watch, we gonna team up with zenos, and fight Zodiark rofl

[turbid helm]

probably not a good idea considering we have a perfect record against ascians at this point

[dim sigil]

Im liking Zenos Partly because after binging JoJo he reminds me of Dio somewhat and I don't know I think that's cool I'm not exactly sure where the comparison this coming from but that's just what comes to mind

[brisk quail]

He's sitting in that lawn chair.

[unreal wadi]

not wrong

[prime verge]

LMAOOOOOO, gaius wishes he were us

[unreal wadi]

@prime verge gaius has technically killed 2 ascians

he has masks on his belt

[prime verge]

We’ve killed four

[maiden lodge]

Zenos isn't going to be raised to join the Ascians, he's going to develop his echo and get their power directly

And by 'going to' I mean 'already has'

[remote notch]

Gaius just steals our credit

[turbid helm]

the vergil lawn chair meme will never get old

[brisk quail]

https://youtu.be/2f-JkmHqLdc

[unborn lantern]

Zenos has no interests on those, he just wanna hunt us

[maiden lodge]

But when they remove belts those masks will fall down and then what?

[unborn lantern]

he badly needs a rematch

he's every salty gamer

[maiden lodge]

Also... killing an ascian and getting their mask != killing an ascian and them staying dead.

[cinder badger]

@unborn lantern Zeno's just wants to be your friend

[prime verge]

Zenos rips his pants in 6.0 and reveals how dummy thicc he is to the wol

[cinder badger]

FRIENDWALKER

[mossy iron]

Wait

[maiden lodge]

Pretty sure Fandaniel's mask is on Gaius's belt

[unborn lantern]

I wish we could collect their mask

[turbid helm]

gaius stole the masks while the ascians were sleeping and tried to flex on us

[unborn lantern]

Gaius have ascian mask collection

[mossy iron]

Hasn't Gaius only killed sundered Ascians?

[unborn lantern]

like damn

[prime verge]

Yeah

[remote notch]

still... Fighting Zeno's with pants falling down will be such an embarrassment

[maiden lodge]

I mean, there's only three unsundered, and we were there for all three

[mossy iron]

Vs our full Ancients

[brisk quail]

I bet you like 90% of gaius' masks are from ascians 'killed' since he didn't know of auracite. Since you know... he kinda got exploded before we did that

[prime verge]

Imagine thinking gaius could kill an unsundered

[cinder badger]

He still needs to talk to Lahabrea

[teal geyser]

Heart of Sabik is still a ?

Don't knock it

[brisk quail]

He doesn't know he can't kill sundered

[turbid helm]

the sundered ascians are arguably more dangerous, though. they're batshit insane and don't try to appeal to our humanity

[teal geyser]

no he probably REALLY does

[cinder badger]

You know about the whole Ultimate Weapon

[maiden lodge]

Right. I wouldn't it put it past him to be 'in the know' necessarily though, cause he does have intel. But if he doesn't know, that also is plausible.

[prime verge]

They are significantly weaker tho, and not all of them are driven by bloodlust like nab and fan

[brisk quail]

Like. I don't expect him to know that

Since it was scion hush hush stuff

[cinder badger]

Such Devastation this was not my intention

[unborn lantern]

Emetselch didn't even fight us at his ascian fom like nab and lahab

[brisk quail]

And the only time we used it was after we kicked his ass

[severe brook]

...Gaius is going to be really hit hard when he sees what's happened to the Capital, isn't he?

[unborn lantern]

he went straight to hades

xD

[turbid helm]

yes, but they have more calamity potential since they aren't directly coming after us and are killing off everyone else

[brisk quail]

No.

[maiden lodge]

13 convocation, countless subminions

[agile needle]

Too Many Ascians

[prime verge]

All ascians including unsundered should’ve done this instead of being dum dums and intentionally interacting w us

[brisk quail]

Like there's pleny of subminions (like the summoner quest ascian)

[unborn lantern]

Well, we have one ascian friend.

[brisk quail]

[unborn lantern]

Her name is Gaia

[prime verge]

Emet would’ve won had he avoided us completely tbh

[unborn lantern]

and she will be an important part of 6.0

[fast rampart]

emmerololth, deudelaphon, altima, and halmarut are still at large

[unborn lantern]

I'm betting

[turbid helm]

the unsundered were keeping them in check. now they're all gone and can do what they want

[unborn lantern]

Gaia vs Fandaniel

[maiden lodge]

Well, for the most part, until Shadowbringers they were working around us.

[lusty tangle]

gaia is 100% not an important part of 6.0

[maiden lodge]

Nabriales was making a power play

[unborn lantern]

she gonna fight fandaniel while we clap zenos

[cinder badger]

Four hummingbirds Three French Hens two Turtle doves and a Warrior of light on the moon

[unborn lantern]

[turbid helm]

Wonder if Gaia will make an appearance in 6.0

[teal geyser]

No

[unborn lantern]

i hope not

i hate her face

[maiden lodge]

But once we went to the first, that changed the game because now they can't just 'set a world up' and then let the Source fuck itself over into a rejoining--we stopped their calamity plans in the mud

[unborn lantern]

she's ryne 2.0

[turbid helm]

only her LIPS can save our world

[untold gull]

That's gonna be interesting

[unborn lantern]

which 1.0 already annoys me

[teal geyser]

Gaia appearing would basically mean Eden being mSQ

[cinder badger]

Why does everybody hate Gaia?

[teal geyser]

I hate her get up

[unborn lantern]

her lips man

[prime verge]

Tbh it fits emet’s character. Part of his personality is continuously trying hard to find mortals worthy of his legacy. With the wol it presents a unique opportunity for him to study them and then decide if they join him or not

[untold gull]

Dunno, she's definitely different which i like

[turbid helm]

the toned the lips down in the official artwork. that in-game model, though...

[unborn lantern]

Emet-selch will make an appearance

and tell off fandaniel

[brisk quail]

I hate the relationship. It had like 3 fucking hours to develop and was based on tea biscuts, lipstick and a random jewelry

[unborn lantern]

like a father

[turbid helm]

lol no

[brisk quail]

Not anything substantial