Someone got a dark knight weapon. You know what it had?
#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
viscid monolith
open verge
5 raid bosses at once???
viscid monolith
GUESS THE STATS
open verge
Piety
gaunt star
Mind
viscid monolith
400 PARRY
open verge
All this was like
viscid monolith
400 Parry
open verge
2 months before stormblood btw
Jesus Christ diadem rework sounded trash
I did that shit for one minute and quit
unreal wadi
Cold wind is good
viscid monolith
I was lucky enough to get one clear of the emergency mission and then the 4 more times I tried ended in failure.
viscid monolith
Oh by the way if you wiped you couldn't clear. There wasn't enough time to try again.
viscid monolith
I don't even remember what the generic rewards were
open verge
I just remember pink accessories
sterile moat
they were randomized pink gear
open verge
I was in there so short
thin crypt
ah yes fat chocobo mount music
open verge
Why is there 4 different bosses
Im really excited for the final step of bozja tho
I wonder what type of content it’s going to be
They already done all versions of battle content in bozja
gaunt star
HoH spam
viscid monolith
We'll probably get another trial or 24 man for Bozja
pine epoch
Yoshida already said 5.5 will be a new zone
So I'm assuming bozja x front
And the CLL equivalent will be Ifrit
Airship Ifrit
pine epoch
Tho if we want to be serious the 1 piece of content missing from bozja is a 8 man raid tier
Or a 4 man dungeon
These 2 things are missing.
sterile moat
4man i'd say is the field content
open verge
Nah I say that’s castrum
open verge
sterile moat
i get it
open verge
Yea the splitting of rooms felt dungeon like tbh
severe brook
Hmm...
They mentioned Hien
and now the big threat is something aerial
maybe 5.55's Bozja update will involve his help in mounting an aerial assault?
open verge
Deathwing boss fight
pine epoch
I have a feeling gabranth isnt on that airship
grave raft
Hmm...
They mentioned Hien
and now the big threat is something aerial
maybe something about the burn and garleans
sterile moat
not another random dude turning into a dragon please
swift rune
it just him that castrum & delubrum are basically just tier 4 and 5 of the Ivalcie raids
pine epoch
And that menenius is the big bad for save the queen story.
swift rune
that's why they're so fun and have cool mechanics
pine epoch
And then 6.x we will get a 3rd matsuno written story which will bring a end to this overarching story
open verge
Because why not
severe brook
i used to think Menenius would be the big bad for StQ but they show him looking up at it as it comes in
so he's not in command of it when it arrives
sterile moat
I have a feeling gabranth isnt on that airship
nah the way they sold it is that gabranth defected and started his own show with the garlean capital being in shambles as it is
severe brook
so i do think Gabranth is aboard the Ifrit
sterile moat
considering it's the ifrit, gabranth is most likely there
pine epoch
Theres nothing to indicate gabranth is on the airship
severe brook
which will probably have another name
beyond the fact that he doesn't really have anywhere else to be?
pine epoch
Valnain
pine epoch
He wants to unveil his new country on dalmasca
And menenius is trying to excavate some relic for gabranth
To unveil in dalmasca
severe brook
I'm pretty sure StQ was the relic they were after
pine epoch
Remember menenius said there was a 2nd relic and misilja was confused
swift rune
Why would we get an 8 man raid tier from bozja
lol sorry i meant the fourth and fifth raids from return to ivalice
pine epoch
And told her it's nothing to worry about
sterile moat
still waiting for balthier to appear
one of the devs said they wanted to add him some way
swift rune
what would his new nation be called
pine epoch
That was during RtI
But they couldn't so they gave us his armor instead
Most likely arcadia
swift rune
it's possible
severe brook
And told her it's nothing to worry about
ah good point
but that could just as easily be something for Gabranth to make use of himself during a fight with him
swift rune
so we're assuming the story of Gabranth is not going to be over with the next patch right
sterile moat
arcadia shits on every XIV city
pine epoch
I'm assuming it wont be. And 6.x will be the finale as a final quest line
To make this a trilogy quest line
sterile moat
we should aid gabranth, topple garlemald and have him build the city
severe brook
that is a good point
you know what
you've swayed me
it does make sense that they're building up to a finale with Gabranth
swift rune
Gabranth is interesting a villain so I hope they do something more fleshed out
severe brook
and presuming 6.0 will involve the Garlean Empire's final collapse, it'll make sense for Gabranth to try his final push to make his new nation
maybe it'd be part of the Trial series who knows
pine epoch
Like I wont be mad if 5.55 ends up being a finale. But I kinda would like 6.x to be the finale to make this a trilogy of quest lines
swift rune
I feel like Bozja so far is more of a side story if that makes sense
pine epoch
Gabranth has had the least amount of screen time as opposed to his 4th legion lackeys
Menenius being pushed in the for front as the leader of the Bozja unit of the 4th. Especially getting a promotion during southern front
swift rune
Yeah, and it has been almost two expansions in the making now
gaunt star
I hope Gabranth wins because I don’t like the idea of Hrothgar’s getting back their kingdom
Let them be limited in customization and lore!
swift rune
Maybe it's just another Matsuno-ism of making things too spread out and the FFXIV team won't be able to cash out on the payoff
but it could also be there is much more that cannot be contained in the next patch
pine epoch
I wouldnt say it's too spread out
swift rune
Yeah I realized that, I meant to say that his stories are usually very fleshed out and he's a perfectionist about it
pine epoch
But theres a lot of background story telling this time as well if you read the logs + speak to the npcs who did get additional dialogue added on to their current dialogue
The misilja log part 2 for example
Is a file report between her and a interrogator
pseudo umbra
anyone got the full field notes for the two trinity bosses?
pine epoch
Ye
unreal wadi
@pseudo umbra
I have one for Trinity Seeker & the Queen's guards
It's really long though
pine epoch
Nightbloom Dot is a longer version of the siren dot
unreal wadi
So I can replace
Siren
Actually
if i want to use siren
i can just use both ends instead
pine epoch
Nightbloom has a 120 cool down. Dot last 50 or 60 seconds
rain onyx
!action both ends
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pine epoch
So when dot falls off you use siren to replace the dot
rain onyx
Pretty sure nightshade blows this out of the water
unreal wadi
give me the tldr then of trinity
It's a fusion of 3 blades into one. Goes in a topic of how all 3 vowed to be by each other, but this is the worst outcome
as they fused instead
Both ends has a huge
hitbox
rain onyx
!action nightbloom
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rain onyx
This does like double or triple the damage though
If they live long enough
So both ends would be good for dungeon pulls
viscid monolith
Nightbloom does 1900 potency
rain onyx
STRONK
unreal wadi
unreal wadi
oh hell, the field notes are so good I just realized
Brings up a lot of lore
swift rune
man, they should have put Matsuno to write Stormblood for real
subtle pasture
I love the 60s dot on top of it
unreal wadi
if you're the kind of guy who likes lore stuff, this is really good
subtle pasture
!action Higanbana
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swift rune
I really enjoy that stuff yeah
subtle pasture
A Nightbloom is a Higanbana
pine epoch
Inb4 6.0 is secretly written by matsuno and bozja is required to continue msq
viscid monolith
In the opening of every 8 man BLU lart the field is blinding because of 8 Nightblooms going off at once
swift rune
No way Bozja is required but I don't think Bozja would be a necessity for the story
pine epoch
Nightbloom is red mage 2
rain onyx
A Nightbloom *is* a Higanbana
Ever wanted to do Kaiten Banana on all nearby targets
pine epoch
Electric boogaloo
obsidian osprey
isnt bozja connected to garlemald to someway?
pine epoch
Not really
subtle pasture
Like I love that they connected the two red spider lily spells
viscid monolith
Yes
subtle pasture
viscid monolith
Bozja is open war with Garlemald
pine epoch
Bozja also explains who Nerva Galvus is
subtle pasture
In the way that it was formerly a Province
pine epoch
Matra and dragon force share a CD
subtle pasture
but the 4th has gone rogue, explicitly so
pine epoch
Either tank cool down
swift rune
It's true but so is Dalmasca and Doma
pine epoch
Or 8 hit murder button
subtle pasture
Well, Doma has successfully been liberated, though the only thing in the way of Dalmasca and Bozja claiming the same is now the 4th's Airship Fleet overhead
...Is Gabranth's flagship an Agrius-class?
It's Cruiser-class in Archadian standards, but, like,
swift rune
it's the ifrit from FFXII right?
subtle pasture
w-what is that ship in Garlean standards
swift rune
it stands out so much because it's so mechanically different
it even has the glossair rings
subtle pasture
Aye, I mostly remember bc Balthier's "Ah, the ifreet" stuck with me for years
swift rune
FFXIV has had many FFXII devs since ARR for some reason
i think the art director was the co-director of XII
pine epoch
I bet the raid theme for the airship with be the draklor laboratory loop of the Arcadian empire theme
dim sigil
Like every enemy model comes from 12
swift rune
seeing fafnir in the vigil threw me for a loop
also the writer of Heavensward worked on FFXII also
subtle pasture
Maybe the Ifrit will be the 5.55 instance
but I think that's already confirmed to be a zone, not a duty 
pine epoch
Ya yoshida said it will be a zone in 5.55
So that most likely means there will be a CLL equivalent
swift rune
what does that mean for it to be a zone
pine epoch
Either that or Zone + raid/dungeon
subtle pasture
The Skirmish/CE system, mostly
pine epoch
Like southern front
swift rune
that would be incredibly cool
subtle pasture
Ah yes, time for the Bozjan Northern Front
obsidian osprey
favorite theme from that game
pine epoch
Which is the like Dramatic segment
subtle pasture
I wonder what the ship's name is in 14,
Gabranth whipping out the Ifrit again would be uh,
interestin'.
pine epoch
Inb4 Ifrit is named after a demon of legend
And sharing the name ifrit is coincidence
subtle pasture
Ya'know, that reminds me,
topaz dune
Inb4 Misija pulls a Shiva to explode the airship
subtle pasture
I did earnestly expect Isolde to transform into Shemhazai
maiden lodge
what about angel's snack?
Also Matra and DF
topaz dune
maiden lodge
Basically you can have a weak tank/healer cooldown as dps, or a strong dps cooldown. Same with the other two roles.
swift rune
I could see them naming it as something from vagrant story since the references are heavy
unreal wadi
Also Matra and DF
then i guess ill use matra
maiden lodge
then i guess ill use matra
as dps, it's a no brainer
subtle pasture
I was looking up FFXII ships to be sure, and it placed the Ifrit in the Cruiser-class, but p sure its design is still fairly unique to it,
Garlemald just has the Agrius-class, which is the Agrius and the Gration
and p sure it's approaching those in size
swift rune
don''t they have a juggernaut class
silk cape
Garlemald just has the Agrius-class, which is the Agrius and the Gration
I feel like it's bigger than the Gration.
subtle pasture
iirc the other airships aren't really arranged in classes,
generally just, the warships
swift rune
i think the equivalent in FFXII is a dreadnought
subtle pasture
Oh sorry, it's
Gunships, Assault Craft, Aurora-class, Agrius-class
Each Legatus has an Aurora-class, so the Ifrit would be that at minimum
silk cape
Agrius and Gration are both notably giants from Greek mythology.
If we presume that this warship is something substantively larger, maybe a Titan name?
grizzled star
does anyone have an image of the new barding?
digital forge
plush linden
Lol I saw that
grizzled star
on <#716926528507740241> <@!140302426757398528>
thank youuu
late trail
gaunt star
Is the new boss bahamut
hazy oasis
So for the PotD relic step, does the item drop only at floor 50 and 100 or is there a low chance of obtaining on other floors?
silk cape
is the new boss hecatoncheir +brynhildr
dim sigil
So for the PotD relic step, does the item drop only at floor 50 and 100 or is th...
I have heard it is only dropping on floor 50 or floor 100
So basically you have to play 1-50 or 51-100 per piece
gaunt star
Has anyone made it to the last boss of DR savage? I’ve been looking but I can’t find footage
random anvil
idk. hot and cold is the newest i've seen
shrewd grove
so i heard a rumor that the 2nd step in the new relic questline (The Resistance Remembers) only has to be done once, can anyone confirm that's true or false?
random anvil
i can't see how Bahamut will tie into Bozja. Aren't all his body parts millions of miles away
silk cape
have you finished the MSQ?
gaunt star
It was a cutscene wasn’t it
rain onyx
Yes
unreal wadi
my guy, did you skip cutscenes
rain onyx
unreal wadi
gaunt star
Nuts. I don’t watch the cutscenes
random anvil
gaunt star
I’m just in it for the loot “shrug” but atleast that clarifies things for me. I can rest easy now
pine plinth
gaunt star
Yes
next quarry
Fair enough, but yeah it's cutscenes
gaunt star
Now that that’s settled I need to investigate why my static doesn’t know where that fits in because I know those nerds watch the cutscenes. Have a good night everyone.
turbid helm
pulsar yacht
(aether group 2 just got to last boss of dr savage. edit: minotaur)
half phoenix
what the time stamp for that image?
unreal wadi
The moment I got Jet Black Dye on my first lockbox
every other lockbox was a fucking prism
It's like the game says, "You got something lucky, now proceed to have bad luck for the next 14 boxes."
random anvil
how can a Lyon group keep thinking they can go up there with weakness and wasting 20+ people's time
how are they dying to feathers and wind
tardy ingot
I feel like a lot of people just don't use essences at all. Like they dont even bother to read the tool tips.
wind orbit
Lyon isn't even difficult
tardy ingot
I meant in general
random anvil
yeah that's true
gloomy shale
this is a real pain getting loathsome
lime igloo
I feel like a lot of people just don't use essences at all. Like they dont even ...
they really don't, it's super tiresome
Castrum is trivialized by essences and damage buffs. you go through fights too quick to see the hard parts, and you don't risk timing out
lime igloo
so i heard a rumor that the 2nd step in the new relic questline (The Resistance ...
IMO nobody has beaten that step yet but I'd believe it. it doesn't warn you like "you can only proceed on this job, r u sure" like it normally does for relic quests and doesn't have a repeatable icon
gaunt star
It seems like a one time thing
My friends gonna speed through the first step on an alt class tomorrow and confirm
gloomy shale
Can you stack up loathsomes past the 15 for other jobs?
lime igloo
don't see why you wouldn't be able to
pulsar yacht
if it's lke any other step before should be able to farm them as long as the quest is active
rustic heath
You can have as many memories as you want lol
There's no limit
so long as the quest is active
gloomy shale
what are people doing for haunting memories?
random anvil
Crystal tower
random anvil
Oh. Derp.
gloomy shale
was gonna say lol
wintry vault
that's ironic
rustic heath
LMAO
polar star
I'd say loathsome memories are more CTs thing
random anvil
Is haunting second step?
gloomy shale
yeah
polar star
Wiping to Weeping City is certainly a haunting memory
rustic heath
Ivalice raids or HW raids
random anvil
Are they all 100% drop from Alliances?
gloomy shale
what is drop rate on gyr abania fates
polar star
Second step is HW raids
Very very low
Heard people saying they did 50 fates and only had 4~
random anvil
I like the inconsistency
rustic heath
The fates are not 100% but the raids are
hybrid plank
man the drop rate for the hairstyle looks really low been 20 + runs and no luck 😦
wind orbit
does the hairstyle only drop in DR?
rustic heath
Yep
rustic heath
I got the hair
wind orbit
my wife got the mount
rustic heath
But never again
sterile moat
honestly this is what people should be bitching about grinding
i should not need to do 18+ runs of a hour long instance to get some shitty rewards
and this will never get tokens either
unlike trial mounts
orchid forge
Gotta keep fashion hunters doing content somehow
scenic vigil
pretty brutal weapon step
kinda nice that it is though
it was too easy
i'm still of the opinion that there should be no alternatives to in-bozja steps but obviously that ship has sailed so
pine epoch
Complain about the eureka critique where people constantly asked for another method to do eureka weapons
vagrant sinew
random anvil
Previuous tiers were afking for fates in dead zones. They wanted more of that i guess
pine epoch
Ya a lot of people straight up refused to do eureka and cited it was terrible sb relic was locked behind it
Those same people also are complaining saying square lied about the relic being obtainable outside of bozja
Because the current step is locked behind castrum
And bsf
Because they skipped doing bsf
random anvil
Thry cant afk their way through bozja. Try as they might
pine epoch
Side note opened reddit to look at some memes and first thing I see is a rant post about bozja story
:3
Summarize hate the fact the blades get murdered and cant be cured. + hate the fact we stand around doing nothing in story
Saying its "the worst story in 14"
Idk why but I just feel like in the mood to commentate here on finding that
unique verge
I found the post in question
because was curious
and uh
that person person is dumb as a rock
pine epoch
I wanna say it feels a bit cherry picking, if their gonna have standing around doing nothing in the story during action segments as that's kinda a long running thing in 14 since arr.
As one of their arguements
unique verge
That's not even the part that sticks out to me as stupid
They're upset we end up killing all the blades instead of un-tempering them
uh
they got fucking blendered into bosses. you dont fix that.
pulsar yacht
I hate bsf but complaining about the player character blank staring at everything really applied to 80% of the msq as a whole
pine epoch
If they were mutated 1 at a time maybe could of saved their minds but they would have to live the rest of their lives disfigured. But no they got blendered and became lucavi no fixing that
unique verge
Yeah like....
its not even like its 1 blade = 1 lucavi
the first boss has fucking 3 mashed together
pine epoch
And the 3rd boss was 3 mashed together as well
unique verge
That's a mercy killing
random anvil
We barelyeven got to know about the Blendered Blades
pine epoch
The 3 members who became the first boss and 3 who became 3rd were also a trio of friends which is why they gravitated to eachother
random anvil
You obly know that after you read the notes tho
pine epoch
Also if I remember Xeven went to a Oracle before joining the resistance and told he would die fighting for bozja
So the prediction came true
unique verge
the funny thing is this person is whining about that aspect of the story though
random anvil
Bozja barely showed us anything about their relationship. Only that they wotked together during some skirmishes
unique verge
and i'm over here happy with it because its actually people getting a bad end who dont deserve it, which is like.....anathema to SE usually. sometimes its okay for horrifying awful things to happen.
pine epoch
Literally their whole character backstories and development were the field notes + tempering and becoming monsters
lime igloo
tbh that's very Matsuno
unique verge
Honestly the only thing im kind of disappointed with in the overall outcome
is that nobody - not the WoL, not one of the rank and file soldiers, not Bajsaljen
pine epoch
I feel being upset by the outcome is fine. But claiming this makes it the worst story in 14
unique verge
just executed Misija on the spot
pine epoch
That's such a stretch
hybrid plank
i kinda feel like the rng with the hairstyle and mount at the end tilts me alot , at least put it into the bozja supplier as well to negate the bad rng
unique verge
Like its actually less believable that she's alive than Fordola being alive
gaunt star
just executed Misija on the spot
One of them had a bow, they could've shot her too
unique verge
One of them had a bow, they could've shot her too
I know! I was mentally screaming at that guy to shoot
lime igloo
heroes don't just execute people lmao
pine epoch
I'm not sure why she didnt vaporize into dust. Idk if it's because they want to do villain sees error of their ways and dies to rectify
gaunt star
We do it all the time
lime igloo
she was unconscious
pulsar yacht
or pulled a "body? what body?" and chucked her off something high
pine epoch
And misilja takes save the queen back and goes and fights menenius
lime igloo
it is literally the opposite of heroic to murder a sleeping opponent
random anvil
I honestly thought Misija was dead after she got impaled
unique verge
We might be heroes - but these guys are not quite the same are they? They're a bunch of desperate 'soldiers' who didnt ask for this and watched their friends get not just killed, but twisted in unspeakable ways, by this person.
Its actually not believable that no just regular resistance mook killed her against orders at the end
gaunt star
If we killed Zenos as he's sleeping that's be heroic in my book regardless of how we did the deed
lime igloo
Bajsaljen wants to make a point to people like Misija
lime igloo
well the resistance clearly listens to him so lol
unique verge
It's believable for him to be that idealistic. Not for everyone to jump on board.
pine epoch
In war stories it's honestly handled different ways. Different military groups handle prisoners differently. Some do execution, while others hold prisoners and try them for every war crime under the sun to show their enemies their not afraid
unique verge
At least when Stormblood did it they had the decency to show the "rabble" as being pissed with the decision.
lime igloo
anyway unlike Fordola, Misija is not a particularly repentant character
unique verge
Err
gaunt star
I'd be pretty upset if someone was just using my former queen as basically a puppet but you know, "Maybe we can talk to her"
lime igloo
so I don't think we're done with her yet
unique verge
Fordola was also extremely unrepentent up to the equivalent point
so idk that i really agree
lime igloo
read Misija's second lore entry.
unique verge
I already did
lime igloo
okay then you understand that she's still loyal to Gabranth right
pine epoch
Misilja 2nd field note is a transcript of her interrogation. And she still up holds her value that bozja will return to its corrupt ways and the people will rebel against the head honcho of the bozja resistance if he tries to do the things he wants to do
unique verge
Yes, and i'm saying that implying that Fordola was repentent at the equivalent point in the story is incorrect.
pine epoch
Ye ye
lime igloo
Fordola was clearly written as sympathetic by the time they threw her in jail
unique verge
I mean....thats not the same thing as repentent though.
pine epoch
I had a stupid thought
lime igloo
I'm not sure I would say the same for Misija at any point
pine epoch
What if the blades memories or souls were sucked into stq and in 5.55 their ghost show up to help defeat the airship ifrit
unique verge
I mean i guess that could happen, but i think it would be boring
random anvil
You know Urianger's speech to the Warrior of Darkness? Misija would've said the same thing to Basalajen
pine epoch
It would be boring
As it would maybe feel like a repeat of orbonne. Where the ghost of ramza party help us defeat ultima
random anvil
"I never betrayed anybody" - Char, Urianger
unique verge
the gigantic airship pretty much needs to be another DR-sized raid for it to be in any way plausible.
if we beat that thing via any means other than that.......gonna be stretching the suspension of disbelief pretty damn hard
pine epoch
Well 5.55 yoshida said will be a new zone. So I'm assuming ifrit will be the CLL for the patch. Or surprise us and its it's own seperate piece of content
Like another 24 man
Or
8 man raid tier 4 floors
unique verge
Yeah maybe who knows. I just know that introducing that airship paints them into a corner in a big way.
pine epoch
Kinda wished southern front had a update to have the airship ifrit fly overhead
unique verge
tbh im glad it didnt, it would just make it that much less believable
haha
That thing is pretty much a "fuck you and everything in a several mile radius" type of weapon, and is damn-near untouchable in terms of mounting an attack on it.
pine epoch
So gonna roll back a bit the conversation to wol standing around doing nothing
Part of me kinda wishes the devs would use the auto attack animation for cutscenes so wol can do stuff. as they have done that for cutscenes in the past for some characters. Not sure how difficult it is to code. The only other thing I wish is for cutscene special abilities. Like uh... maybe a regular punch non associated with monk. Maybe liken a shockwave attack. Something non descript that can be called upon for action scenes. Tho at the same time I feel if the devs started doing that I feel people would complain about all the past story content. They would praise it at first. But then look back at the past and complain harder about us not doing anything before.
random anvil
"WoL is a BLM with noodly arms. my immersion is ruined."
gusty quest
"WoL is a SAM with long spaghetti arms. My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined."
unique verge
tbh, the biggest problem with it, if you want to get down to it...
Is Lalafels. Delete them and alot of that type of stuff becomes much more reasonable.
pine epoch
Dont delete lalas
random anvil
Deleting lalafels means we don't get to see Asahi get on his knees to talk shit
unique verge
They'd basically have to give them their own cutscenes every time, and thats alot of extra work.
spiral wagon
just waiting for us to get a LB4
pine epoch
Honestly at times I wonder how players would treat lalas if they were designed more like. Uh... what's the internet slang. Shortstack?
Small but thicc
Rather Than potatoes
unique verge
It would be so much worse if you're talking about the degen behavior.
pine epoch
Just treatment in general
paper zealot
is there any hair you can get from deluberum normal?
unique verge
I'm just saying their existence as a playable race where the player is in cutscenes alot puts ALOT of hard limits on cutscenes.
unique verge
I think it looks stupid, but thats a matter of opinion. The market board average price of 20-30mil disagrees with my opinion.
paper zealot
its the hair on lodestone?
paper zealot
isnt it from contest
pine epoch
The hair is on the lodestone
pine epoch
That viera looks like they belong in Kabuki the way their dressed
wary perch
meager forum
what specific changes did they make to castrum drops?
wintry vault
ok move to jp
All you need to know is what up and down is with kana
and follow your party lol
random anvil
you know what sucks though, i got probably 45/50 Castrum clears for the achievement through pugs.
wintry vault
people just can't clear it now?
random anvil
all the good people are too busy farming frags to help
wintry vault
damn
yeah that's fair, people farming frags want a castrum instance lol
cos no one around
random anvil
so all you're left with are 1 in 8 people in a party who know what to do and the rest are just kinda hoping for a carry or haven't done the stuff in so long that they've forgot
people have been impatient
wintry vault
that's sad 😞
random anvil
early pulling
wintry vault
oh no
eager fox
did castrum early last night and cleared it fine
random anvil
and not waiting for a top party to form and stuff
i see people clearing all the time
like that blob of people watching cutscenes by the aetheryte
random anvil
but my luck's just been bad every time i go in
I get my hopes up after a decent Adramalech fight, only for the Lyon party to die to feathers three times in a row
random anvil
for prisoners?
Primal used to be down with that
unreal wadi
its basically choose your substats
next quarry
Is it random? Or by choice?
unreal wadi
by choice
gaunt star
It’s ugly
grave raft
its basically choose your substats
what substats though?
unreal wadi
what substats though?
DH, DET, TEN etc
if you read the bottom 2
it says Skill Speed & Direct Hit in Katakana
its the equivalent of adding 8 materia slots into your weapon
I'm going to assume the +100 is Determination
unreal wadi
you did this with every relic weapon, btw.
wet crown
...Huh.
unreal wadi
ARR: You melded materia into a scroll
HW: You used Treated Crystal Sand to adjust stats
wet crown
Yes, the aethersand I remember
unreal wadi
SB: You gathered light to adjust stats in Eureka
wet crown
Irrelevent. Yes.
So what was the other way to obtain the new mats? Really don't want to see Syrcus Tower anytime soon
wet crown
unreal wadi
wet crown
Ofc it is
unreal wadi
I don't get it, tbh.
If you wanted to keep Bozjan up and running, make it 100% guaranteed Critical Engagements
More people will do the CEs
wet crown
Big talk about how they will adjust the grindy parts and then make the memories a fucking chore
next quarry
The other option is an alliance raid, which usually takes 20 min or so
So the grind would probably be equal
One is RNG and the other isn't
Up to luck
wet crown
Gaaah. I really hate how these relic steps have evolved.
unreal wadi
you want to know what's luck?
Getting Jet black dye from the first lockbox
then get only prisms for the next 14
grave raft
something 75% and up rng for the CE drop pls
wet crown
I was so looking forward to this patch but after BLU, I don't feel like doing anything because it's just such a chore.
next quarry
You're not gonna do it all at once
grave raft
same i just finished all of the crafter relics and doing the battle relics is overwhelming lmao
next quarry
I'm happy that this step is longer
grave raft
I really thought that the crafter relic would take me at least a week, not 2 days because its an expert.
wet crown
I think I finally hit a point where the basic gameplay loop is pissing me off.
alliance roulette is always cheated out to be tower or lota and expert roulette is just the same or same two dungeons
why am I even ranting
grave raft
expert should be like that 2 of the last updated dungeons
random anvil
it should drop from castrum
wet crown
I've just hit the end of my enjoyment. Plain and simple.
bleak quail
yoshida keeps saying he wants the game to be "play when you want" so it's good the dailies aren't necessary if you don't want to
wet crown
the dailies are necessary for gear
bleak quail
for tomes? easy enough to cap without expert daily and if you want that much gear then you should be motivated enough 🤔
rain onyx
Nice source of experience and poetics
unique verge
I guess. Just sort of interpreted the statement that they're after not-poetics.
final isle
syrcus farm, 3runs in already want to stop zzz
gloomy shale
im gettin good drops for loathsome in CE
odd yoke
Not as far as i know
People have killed Trinity and are on Queen
So soon perhaps
Need to see if those 1v1s are mandatory for queen
unreal wadi
i wonder
does radovan say anything
after you're caught up with current bozja story?
stable island
@gloomy shale
You are very lucky then, the drop rate is 5% afaik.
@next quarry
It is not really equal, alliance raids are fun, but not 15 or 18 times in a row to progress.
A grind should be fun, not boring and/or luck based, that takes away the fun.
(Thr result is obvious, you are alienating veteran players and it won't help with the queues at all for newer players.)
onyx sundial
The reward on the memory thing
Is so bad
Well the balance is so bad
I wish the rate on CEs is much higher and also the number from CLL is better
Like 3 from CLL
I kind of want to finish this as much by just using bozja
But its taking so long
stable island
Well, a grind is supposed to take long, but long and annoying is a bad way to do it.
No one likes RNG grind except for Korean players.
onyx sundial
Im fine with long
I just dont want it to be like the scales tipped in the favor of just doing old content
rain onyx
after you're caught up with current bozja story?
From what I can tell, no
next quarry
<@193351606375284737>
It is not really equal, alliance raids are fun, but not ...
RNG grinds are fun imo
It's up to preference
radiant pollen
11 more delubrums and i'm done 
stable island
It is ok if the drop rate was around 25% for CE and Fates, so players can combine it.
But now players don't have a choice, because one of the methods is not grinding, but playing Gladstone Gander. (Too luck heavy)
There are some major differences between the ARR/ HW relic (when it was current) and the current one:
1: It is 2021, not 2014.
2: Back when ARR/HW was current jobs weren't so broken because you didn't lose half of your skills. (That is why ppl doing the old relics unsynced.)
3: Humans are way more impatient in 2021 then they were im 2014. (Blame social media for that) Nowadays people expect faster results.
4: It is no fun that you need to do 3 or more years OLD content in order to do CURRENT content.
5: It is good to try to get veteran players into old stuff, but give the players an realiable alternative too to do it at their current max level. It is always easier to stop then to get annoyed.
6: The biggest issue is step 1 and 2, humans aren't build to do repeative tasks or tasks without any action, it is simply how humans work. It is almost guaranteed that Bozja will die when most players are done with 1 relic out of annoyance, stonewalling others.
stable island
@next quarry
There is no choice at all, it is 24-mans or stop, because the other choice is no choice.
The RNG grind is no grind, it is relying on luck, and human brains can't work with RNG, our brain is always trying to see a pattern, if we want it or not.
unique verge
Funny, humans wrote every statement in this discussion!
btw, update on "castrum rewards"
apparently its not just Loathsome memories
i got a Fabric off of my last clear just now
somber storm
Humans am I right?
open verge
It’s in human nature to not force yourself to do stuff in a video game you don’t want to do
swift kraken
any humans in chat
somber storm
No humans, only hyur and humes
open verge
I’m a viera so I’m a bunny
Bozja is good the devs just don’t want you doing it for some reason
swift kraken
is this implying vieras dont have human rights
open verge
stupid design choice to say the least
swift kraken
i mean they want you to just fine
but like in tve future when bozja is probably dead
like
open verge
Feel bad for those castrum players
stable island
@next quarry
You can't deny human nature, there are differences in how long it takes before ppl get annoyed yes, but eventually it is unavoidable that you try to look for a pattern.
It is a fact that humans aren't good in repeative tasks and tasks with little action, but again it is different on how long ppl last.
Anyway, Bozja is indeed fun, so why do they force players into old content to do current content?
next quarry
They want you to spend more time in it, since a lot more people have more free time
open verge
There’s alternatives
swift kraken
this is just averting the eureka situation where you need to go through eureka to get ur stupid glowy weapon
open verge
But castrum and dr being dead is 
unique verge
Feel bad for those castrum players
tbh Castrum has been pretty good. My last 6 runs have been smooth success overall
swift kraken
idk dr is pretty alive here
open verge
I meant in the future
swift kraken
well yea
open verge
Dr is fine and it has a weekly so that’s good
swift kraken
thats normal
unique verge
DR is probably never going to be a problem because you can direct queue it.
open verge
I guess yea
unique verge
So peopel can organize it later np
swift kraken
you cant make content alive forever
open verge
True
swift kraken
however castrum should be cross-instance queue
swift kraken
and mettle yea
unique verge
I anticipate given that DR was implemented successfully, that CLL will become like DR and have a direct queue and be removed as a CE.
swift kraken
i would join castrum 9/10 times if it gave mettle
open verge
I actually have no idea why castrum gives less rewards then literally everything
Castrum could guarantee a relic drop or something idk
unique verge
It does
swift kraken
just make it give like 5 times the mettle of a CE or something
unique verge
Castrum is a 100% Loathsome drop.
autumn heron
I have to do 16 Ivalice raids todat
open verge
Which step is that?
open verge
I have to do 14 void ark runs
Bleh
Wonder if I should get blue mage skills first
@autumn heron did you do blue mage parties?
swift kraken
void ark is honestly not a real alliance raid and no one can convince me that hw alliance raids are real
open verge
Void arks good man
swift kraken
i feel like i hallucinate them everytime i get queued into one
autumn heron
<@!198608183017734146> did you do blue mage parties?
Funnily enough I had faster raids with normal parties
open verge
Blue mages don’t get peloton
stable island
A quick nerf for the relics is inevitable, too much players are complaining now.
There is simply no choice at all and the only choice players have is an annoying one.
open verge
That’s why it’s slower
autumn heron
Yup got one void ark run down to 12 minutes
next quarry
Can't you Rams breath the adds/trash in ivalice
autumn heron
MFs in DF goin ham
open verge
The people spending their time complaining about relics aren’t even trying to get it
It’s seriously not that bad
unique verge
A quick nerf for the relics is inevitable, too much players are complaining now....
I highly doubt it. This is in-line with how Relics have been for most of FF14's lifespan.
swift kraken
idk relics seem fine to me
next quarry
Blue mages don’t get peloton
Moonflute
autumn heron
Prenerf ARR
stable island
Guys you forgot one thing.....
What is players don't want to play blue mage? (Or still need to level it?)
swift kraken
like i wont do them because i think theyre ugly
stable island
Guys.....
open verge
Guys you forgot one thing.....
What is players don't want to play blue mage? (O...
That’s their fault
Level blue mage
autumn heron
Literal 0.5% chance of getting mats for ARR relics pre-nerf
stable island
@open verge
They will stop earlier then level blue mage, far easier.
open verge
What if players don’t want to get a relic and wants for free
unique verge
Levelling BLU and getting a barebone "destroy everything in the overworld" kit is like a one day affair
open verge
Stop defending lazy players man
sonic current
Can someone tell me why Blu is limited... I just came back to FFXIV and I have not played the game since 2015. IM FINDING OUT BLU IS LIMITED. why?
open verge
It’s so stupid
open verge
Can someone tell me why Blu is limited... I just came back to FFXIV and I have n...
It’s fucking broken that’s why
swift kraken
do you know what limited means
unique verge
Can someone tell me why Blu is limited... I just came back to FFXIV and I have n...
Because BLU is broken. BLU can hit for over 2mil in one attack with the right spells.
coral kite
Guys you forgot one thing.....
What is players don't want to play blue mage? (O...
Like any other content...if you don't want to do it that's on you
open verge
Blue mage is literally one shotting shiva
swift kraken
just in case you think its an event job
open verge
sonic current
Blu was broken in FFXI who cares!!!!
unique verge
.....
swift kraken
ah yes
open verge
Yea but
sonic current
Blu/Nin was my main shit in FFXI
open verge
Ff14 is balanced
swift kraken
the balance understander
sonic current
EXACTLY So why care about it in FFXIV
autumn heron
Can someone tell me why Blu is limited... I just came back to FFXIV and I have n...
Blue mage cant work in this games combat system without being utterly broken. So they turned it into a mini-game job.
coral kite
I'm only level 15 or so on it but it's loads of fun and the job quests are great
swift kraken
because xiv is a different game
sonic current
ok ok ok ok can BLU raid at all or no?
open verge
EXACTLY So why care about it in FFXIV
They don’t that’s why blue mage is broken....
Yes
And their busted
swift kraken
it can but not level 80 content and no ultimates
open verge
They don’t have a level sync
unique verge
We in the real degen hours now where people upset that they cant use BLU for current tier savage
autumn heron
Only in specialized parties
swift kraken
and you cant queue in duty finder
stable island
There is a huge difference between the ARR and the ShB farm.
ARR farm wasn't with broken jobs, the ShB is with broken jobs.
Doing the same for many hours is no fun at all, fates have some variation at least.
You can do fates while waiting for queues.
And the most important change, it is not 2014 dammit!
open verge
The content blue mage can be used in they are easily the best job
sonic current
so BLU is still broken. I like it. but what raiding content can it do?
coral kite
Man...XI isn't even Dota 2 unbalanced where everyone has an op skill or two it's just chaos
swift kraken
wait this is giving me extremely heavy flashbacks to the time there was a guy in rants complaining about blu for 5 days straight
open verge
All raids up til stormblood
autumn heron
so BLU is still broken. I like it. but what raiding content can it do?
Everything before ShB
radiant pollen
go and farm crystal tower coward
radiant pollen
amon is waiting
unique verge
There is a huge difference between the ARR and the ShB farm.
ARR farm wasn't wi...
And the most important change, it is not 2014 dammit!
Did you really just use "It's the [CURRENTYEAR]" argument? Good god.
sonic current
ShB stands for what @autumn heron ? I haven't played since 2015
swift kraken
glasya labolas is waiting
open verge
Shadowbringers
autumn heron
ShB stands for what <@!198608183017734146> ? I haven't played since 2015
Shadowbringers
swift kraken
the latest expansion
autumn heron
So nothing current
wary hawk
On the treadmill as I write this and I realize that the gym is a great example of good grind. Challenging and lengthy, but rewarding. SE team could learn some things from that
sonic current
will they ever raise the level limit to 80 for BLU? is it being talked about? Im kinda legit sad its really the only reason I returned back to the game
autumn heron
will they ever raise the level limit to 80 for BLU? is it being talked about? Im...
Yes. In 6.4
autumn heron
Yup
open verge
I think we get a blue mage update in 6.1 and beast master updates after that
next quarry
Probably 6.1
coral kite
Blu isn't intended to be at the same level cap as the other jobs
autumn heron
Blu is a mini game
coral kite
sonic current
thats sooo whack. just let it be broken. how cool would it be if they let only 1 or 2 BLU's be in one raid and just let it be broken
open verge
It is broken
swift kraken
no it wouldnt be
autumn heron
So its not allowed to do current stuff
coral kite
It already is broken
open verge
They don’t care about balance dude
sonic current
I don't understand I haven't played since 2015 🙂
coral kite
open verge
It’s broken as fuck
autumn heron
thats sooo whack. just let it be broken. how cool would it be if they let only 1...
That would trvialize an already casual game. So no thank you
swift kraken
just because you havent played since 2015 doesnt mean you get to do bad takes
unique verge
You really dont understand. If BLU could be 80 it would be the only job ANYONE played. Every other job would be dead.
coral kite
Like bro...i'm gonna need you to come back and play blu 1-70 in 2021
open verge
^
sonic current
Its actually funny and so crazy how so many people are so mad about BLU. is it that much of a problem? 
swift kraken
if blu was a real job the only thing keeping you from doing 8 BLU is the lb bar and even then youd just say fuck it
unique verge
Ah, i see now. He's trolling.
autumn heron
Its a mini game
unique verge
Cease feeding immedately
open verge
I don’t think he is
He’s a returner right
But yes blue mage is the most broken job in the game
coral kite
No point in explaining further to a returning player who has no idea what's going on anymore
open verge
What’s the name of the solo blue mage skill?
swift kraken
hes for real but just a bit thick in the head it seems
sonic current
I actually came in with a genuine question and theres actually 10+ people upset abo ut blu. like wtf? lmao i wasn't trolling originally
next quarry
Basic Instinct
stable island
Looks like you guys don't get it.
People are way more impatient in 2021 then they were in 2014, they want faster results.
An RNG grind is less accepted nowadays and the same for a boring grind. Games are supposed to be fun right?
Don't know if i take it to the official forums. But maybe i will soon enough.
open verge
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sonic current
FFXIV community is still soft and weeby?
open verge
Read this
next quarry
People have a ton more free time too
autumn heron
I actually came in with a genuine question and theres actually 10+ people upset ...
No ones upset about BLU. It has its place
open verge
Blue mage is limited
swift kraken
Looks like you guys don't get it.
People are way more impatient in 2021 then th...
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autumn heron
What do you think
wind orbit
Ye
unique verge
I would like to strongly encourage you to "take it to the official forums"
open verge
all you have to say is you don’t want to do the relic and that’s fine
None of that human nature bullshit
open verge
getting this relic done before the nerfs for maximum epeen
open verge
Please don’t nerf the raid steps I want to farm void ark
somber storm
PhD in memories
sonic current
have they had any kind of FFXIV cons in the past (before covid obviously, I feel like with this crowd I have to specify)?
autumn heron
PhD in stupid
autumn heron
have they had any kind of FFXIV cons in the past (before covid obviously, I feel...
They had them even back in 2015 with the fanfests
sonic current
nothing after 2015? @autumn heron
coral kite
Players actually gonna be able to get void ark queues
HW raids are real
sonic current
interesting. Im a huge huge huge huge final fantasy fan. not just 11 and 14 but the franchise as a whole and I was truly hoping to really dive in 14 and fall in love again
unique verge
a wild Cal appears
teal geyser
Because we get 3 of those in the lead up to every expansion
teal geyser
*a wild Cal appears*
callie cal
open verge
unique verge
CLL is surprisingly fun right now
unique verge
Not many
open verge
I have no jobs to level in bozja so I have no clue
teal geyser
Speaking of Bozja I'm still not sure what to make of the size of Ifrit
unique verge
End chest drops a Loathsome memory, and it has a chance to drop a fabric. That's all i can confirm from personal experience.
But yeah, CLL is pretty decent lately. There's just enough good players joining so that the runs are never shitshows.
because you really only need like 3-4 DPS who are actually trying to make the run good generally.
or broken WHM's in their DPS essence
gritty sail
this was 6pm pst in Aether lol
next quarry
Castrum has guaranteed drop for memory
Good if you join while farming for mettle with the quest
unique verge
Just good to join in general if your goal is to get the dyeable judge sets - or you want to make alot of money selling augments to people who want them
Still cant believe they made the new sets augments require an augmented old set
gloomy shale
castrum is officially dead after you do the quest imo
next quarry
Depends on what they want
unique verge
Nah
next quarry
Great that they give you choices
unique verge
Those fragments in there are highly desirable too for DR / DR Savage as well
and not everyone has a gigantic pile of them from back in the day
gloomy shale
they should have given a memory for doing the duels
stable island
@swift kraken
Oh? It easy to find on the internet why people are more impatient lately, enough sience and research done to prove it.
viscid monolith
That's extremely good luck
stable island
@open verge
And no, i will do the relic, but i am just not happy and with me many more players. A grind shouldn't be a chore, grind is good as long it is fun.
autumn heron
so far ive done like 10 CE's and gotten like 4 loathsomes
I did 20 CEs and got none
gloomy shale
interesting
next quarry
so far ive done like 10 CE's and gotten like 4 loathsomes
Few questions; are you on the job you're farming the relic for/and or have the relic equipped? Or anything special at all
gloomy shale
nope different job
gloomy shale
I could see that once i net some more CE's i'll see what I'm at
stable island
It is only 5% for fates and CE
gloomy shale
Did someone extrapolate it?
stable island
Me was told it is datamined by someone
gloomy shale
didn't know that was able to been seen like that
next quarry
autumn heron
Its entirely anecdotal but its a sentiment with the vast majority of people