#retired-patch-6-3-discussion

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lusty shadowBOT
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**Stotram** : lvl 1 BLU (300 MP) (2.5 second cooldown)(2.0 second base cast time)

Deals unaspected damage with a potency of 140 to all nearby enemies.
Action effect changes, restoring own HP and the HP of all nearby party members when you are under the effect of Aetherial Mimicry: Healer.
Cure Potency: 300

Blue Magic

A paean to love favored by Lakshmi, this spell produces an explosion of light, the effect of which varies depending on the caster's mindset─a heart intent on harm will scorch foes caught in the blast, whilst a heart filled with mercy will mend the wounds of those held dear.

Obtained

Lakshmi / Emanation

Blue Magic

Type: Magic
Aspect: None
Rank: 2

brisk quail
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Pfft. Doesn't say range. Smh

viscid monolith
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15 yalms

sterile moat
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i'm used to cure III range

maiden lodge
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It's range is massive, unlike Exulv

sterile moat
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also angel snack is a stronger med II with 120s cd

brisk quail
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Exuiv: 6y
Strotam: 15y

maiden lodge
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Angel Snack is stronk

brisk quail
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Strotam was HELLA needed

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White wind was basically the only way to party heal pre-70

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Exuiv was way too small

viscid monolith
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Bigger range and it doesn't cost 15% of my fucking MP like White Wind

maiden lodge
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White Wind is now for dps emergencies, that's about it

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Maybe tank

sterile moat
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just don't be social distancing inside the fights and you won't have issues

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also white wind is good for 1 hp mechs

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snapshot the heal

maiden lodge
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White wind is good if you time things absolutely perfect

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Whereas Strotham is good if you have internet that isn't perfect

sterile moat
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you have 3 seconds to snapshot it due to spaghetti code

brisk quail
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Some people lag more

unreal wadi
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how do you guys

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learn cold fog

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i tried once, but we didn't learn it

viscid monolith
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You have let the mechanic fail

maiden lodge
unreal wadi
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oh

viscid monolith
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And Diamondback it

sterile moat
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just snapshot white wind

brisk quail
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tfw 600ms when walking around in openworld

sterile moat
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time to change servers for you then

brisk quail
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tfw 1200 ping when in trial

sterile moat
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or get better net

maiden lodge
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I for one like my healers being reliant on server ticks in order to not wipe

sterile moat
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basically AST healing walking dead

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either way

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my point is that BLU basically got some reskins of medica I and medica II

brisk quail
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Whoever designed the 70 blue spells deserves a raise.

sterile moat
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that might not mean good for 6.0

maiden lodge
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They... also got a shit ton of dps spells to go with it

sterile moat
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on tanking skills you get a mix of TBN and edge of shadow
on dps skills you have all sorts of weird shit

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and for new blu healer spells you get med I and med II

viscid monolith
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Blue Mage does crazy dps

maiden lodge
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well new dps skills are new healer spells too

brisk quail
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Triple Trident, Rose of Destruction, (the big three), tingle, chelonian, cold fog, mantra magic...

viscid monolith
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Pulls 16k at level 70

maiden lodge
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and those new dps skills are fucking massive

sterile moat
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thats

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not

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my

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point

pine epoch
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I love being a blue tank now thanks to the new skills

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Before blue tank was stressful and came down to managing diamondback

brisk quail
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Like Phantom and mantra magic is dumb

maiden lodge
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You also got sentinel for tank

brisk quail
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But still BEST CHANGE.

Devour

sterile moat
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what i'm saying is that in terms of designing the new spells, the healer ones are just basically medI/II

maiden lodge
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Yeah well

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What are you expecting here?

brisk quail
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Devour went from shit to priimmooooo

maiden lodge
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That's shit they needed

sterile moat
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it's almost like SE is creatively bankrupt when it comes to healing

brisk quail
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There's not many other avenues for healing

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Like give me a diffrent type of heals.

Besides...

  1. Heal shields
  2. Dot heals
  3. Times heals
  4. Life steal
  5. Raw heals
maiden lodge
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Like right now it sounds like 'healer specific spells are too focused on making green numbers appear' and I'm like.... so?

brisk quail
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There's not many other ways to heal

sterile moat
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so 6.0 is coming

maiden lodge
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Blu already has a shield

sterile moat
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and on the chance they had to make new wild blu spells, they didn't

maiden lodge
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Well what do you -want-

brisk quail
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Bruh

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Are you serious

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No wild new spells

sterile moat
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healing spells

maiden lodge
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Like what is it, exactly, you want, that is a different way to make green numbers show up over people's heads?

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'healing spells do healing, how bad is this' is a hot take

brisk quail
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Give me a new type of healing besides the 5 I laid out

maiden lodge
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Will the next person come in and complain matra magic makes orange numbers appear?

brisk quail
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How else should green numbers go up

maiden lodge
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Oh there's excog

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That's like 'not a shield' it's totally a shield

brisk quail
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That's a timed heal

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Or shield

maiden lodge
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Starbomb?

viscid monolith
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I thought matra magic was supposed to be missiles

brisk quail
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Thats pure timed

dim sigil
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Is it not in 14

sterile moat
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fuck if i know i'm not a game designer, point is out of all the possibilities we got the most boring choices for the job that's meant to be the wildcard

viscid monolith
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!action Mantra Magic

lusty shadowBOT
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**Matra Magic** : lvl 1 BLU (400 MP) (120.0 second cooldown)(2.0 second base cast time)

Deals an unaspected eightfold attack, each hit with a potency of 50.
Potency is increased to 100 when you are under the effect of Aetherial Mimicry: DPS.
Shares a recast timer with certain blue magic spells.

Blue Magic

A variety of magic employed by New World voidsent, this spell pummels the target with a barrage of incandescent orbs. Its name, likely familiar to scholars of the arcane, is said to have once encompassed the Whalaqee arts of near-death curses and converting life force into mana.

Obtained

Learn 100 spells.

Blue Magic

Type: Magic
Aspect: None
Rank: 3

brisk quail
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The issue is THERE ARE NO OTHER WAYSA

maiden lodge
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It's missiles

brisk quail
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And if there are

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They're MEGA niche

viscid monolith
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Nope just orbs of light

maiden lodge
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YOu fire abunch of missles and they go PEW PEW PEW and 8 orange numbers appear

brisk quail
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If you can't come up with one. Sqex cant

maiden lodge
viscid monolith
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Not that I mind. I can barely see the animation.

brisk quail
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Like I said. GIVE me a new type of healing.

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Say it

sterile moat
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get it now?

brisk quail
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THAT'S THE POINT

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THEY'VE DONE IT ALL

viscid monolith
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It will be Dan

sterile moat
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THAT'S MY POINT

brisk quail
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What MORE DO YOU WANT

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There's NOTHING left

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No more new avenues

maiden lodge
viscid monolith
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Healing is a dead end in this game. Fight design restricts how you can approach healing.

sterile moat
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fuck if i know, you can make green numbers go up with more interesting mechs

dim sigil
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Chemsit mudra like potion mixing is all i can think of

sterile moat
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it's BLU

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they had the chance to give it something fucking wild

viscid monolith
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Or it might just be that healing as an art isn't very interesting. I dunno what to you.

maiden lodge
brisk quail
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The roads in the city have been built. The buildings up around them. And yet you complain the road goes around the building.

maiden lodge
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It's like, you want something wild. I get that. But no one including you has any idea of what that could be.

brisk quail
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They can't fit more roads

viscid monolith
maiden lodge
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Short of 'I kill myself to heal my' wait they did that

brisk quail
sterile moat
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the paper one?

viscid monolith
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Paper?

sterile moat
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yea they're paper dolls, forgot the japanese name

viscid monolith
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No I mean the Yokai Seiryu is summoning through the fight

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He summons different types

sterile moat
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yea

viscid monolith
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Right my bad

sterile moat
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shikigami

viscid monolith
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Hm what other crazy spell could they have added

maiden lodge
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If I had my way, they didn't because they wanted to keep Shikigami for Onmyoji/Oracle/Mystic

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Also in terms of 'wild healing spells'

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points to SB enemies

viscid monolith
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I wanted Grand Cross

brisk quail
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Let's describe it like this.

There's a wall.. you can go... around it, through it, over it, under it.

But what else can you do?

Well you could travel back in time before the wall existed. Or you could move the wall..

But besides that? What else? Well after that not much else can be done. No one can come up with something more that'd not fall under anything else previously done.

That's where we are at healing-wise

viscid monolith
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Don't care about it being in Savage

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I wanted Grand Cross

brisk quail
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Like you could fly over the wall

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But you're going over it still

maiden lodge
brisk quail
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You could hop over it.

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But that's still going over it.

sterile moat
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this one is stuck on architecture

viscid monolith
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It is?

sterile moat
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here's a better analogy for you

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you have a street

viscid monolith
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I've only known Trine being used by Kefka

sterile moat
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and it's full of starbucks, and yoship adds more starbucks to the street

maiden lodge
sterile moat
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that's how i put more medica like spells being put into the game

brisk quail
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AoE heals bad

viscid monolith
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Also I guess I've been wrong about Blue Mage for the last 2 years

brisk quail
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Any AoE = medica

viscid monolith
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Blue Mage can only copy monster abilities I guess

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Or machine abilities

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It can't copy techniques that people use

maiden lodge
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And you're wondering why they haven't created some new coffee getting technique

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And we're like 'Well, there's that one place that injects it in your ass'

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'No that's boring'

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'well what do you want?'

sterile moat
# brisk quail Any AoE = medica

so please do tell me, outside of certain gimmicks (ie lilies) or negligible potency differences (+30 on helios), how do medica I, rapture, strotram and helios differ

maiden lodge
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'I dunno, just tired of getting my coffee in a cup'

sterile moat
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it's not that every aoe is the same

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earthly star is not medica I

maiden lodge
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You just do

brisk quail
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Why does every melee unit have a garbage first hit in their combo? (Excluding stance III to boot shine)

viscid monolith
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Idk

sterile moat
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that's a fucking stupid comparison and you know it

viscid monolith
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I wish they would get rid of whatever the fuck Samurai's first hit in its combo is

maiden lodge
viscid monolith
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Honesty get rid of all of them

brisk quail
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True Thrust. Spinning edge.

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Hakaze

maiden lodge
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We don't know how to satisfy you, because we can't actually figure out a way to make green numbers appear in some new exciting way.

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Like, that's a hard ask

viscid monolith
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I played PVP Samurai and it doesn't have the first hit and guess what? It was great.

maiden lodge
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'Well do it in a wierd way'

brisk quail
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Fast blade

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Heavy swing

viscid monolith
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Throw Fast Blade away as well

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And Heavy Swing

brisk quail
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Hard slash

sterile moat
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i'm criticizing SE lack of creativity, on the most broken job of the game where they could go all out to add new stuff they chose the most boring spells to make blu versions of

brisk quail
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Keen edge

viscid monolith
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That's a valid point Dan

maiden lodge
brisk quail
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And we're telling you there's not much else to be POSSIBLY done

viscid monolith
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Besides some niche one hit kill attacks Blue Mage plays like a normal dps

brisk quail
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They are out of ideas

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They've done everything and then some

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And you want more

sterile moat
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they could've made a blu version of earthly star or excog or fuck, spread excog on BLU

brisk quail
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When there's no more

maiden lodge
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Like I'm not even accusing SE of this. MMO designers are literally out of ideas on this

sterile moat
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but they went with the most boring possible version of it

brisk quail
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Every MMO has their heals fall under those 5

maiden lodge
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Like... do you want a heal rotation? Awesome you have what WHM had. Probably still has, I dunno if they still have Freecure.

sterile moat
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doesn't matter, point is that yet another medica ripoff is getting old

viscid monolith
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For the record I'm talking about attacks for Blue Mage

brisk quail
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Okay. What do you want then

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What NEW healing method

sterile moat
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could've just changed exuviation for 15y and call it a day

maiden lodge
sterile moat
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i'm not talking about healing methods

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i'm talking of healing skills

brisk quail
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They coulda. But they decided it was best to be an esuna replacement

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It's Blue esuna

maiden lodge
sterile moat
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.......

maiden lodge
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That's what they're asking?

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Don't ....., the fact is you don't know either

brisk quail
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Blue needs an esuna

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Content needs an esuna

maiden lodge
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So if you don't know

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And we don't know

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why are you bitching that the MMO world doesn't know?

sterile moat
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i'm .... you because i already told you that's not the point i'm addressing, already told you the point 3 or 4 times and you still

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HURR

brisk quail
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They can't come up with anything
You can't come up with anything
Your friend hasn't.
Blizzard hasn't.
Arenanet hasn't.
SQEX hasn't.

sterile moat
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GREEN NUMBERS GO UP

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NO MORE WAYS

brisk quail
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No ONE CAN

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The number of possible ideas around healing have been killed off one by one and created since WOW existed

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They've all been done

maiden lodge
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Look, dan I want to teleport and repeating that I want the ability to teleport ain't gonna make it possible.

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And it's science's lack of imagination for not coming up with a new way to get me to teleport

sterile moat
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how is that even related when you can't teleport

maiden lodge
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Even though I'm asking the impossible here, it's sciences's fault for having a lack of drive to do so

maiden lodge
sterile moat
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how do we go from SE making a 4th or 5th version of medica I ends up in teleportation?

maiden lodge
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I don't know why you're saying the fact I can't do it matters

brisk quail
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He's asking reality and science to imagine he can teleport

maiden lodge
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Look, I shouldn't have to figure out how to make it happen either, it's the scientists's fault

brisk quail
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So it comes true right?

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It's just the scientists

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They're bad people

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They don't want him too

maiden lodge
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Stop tellng me it's impossible, with facts and logic.

sterile moat
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what the fuck is this conversation

maiden lodge
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Why are you telling me it's impossible

sterile moat
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also teleport is possible

gaunt star
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Looks like I'm skipping relics

maiden lodge
gaunt star
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Not a fat chance in hell I'm doing the worst designed content in the game 15x

maiden lodge
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I'm pointing out the flaw in your argument by changing the premise.

gaunt star
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That's about 35+ hours alone doing the same garbage dungeon

sterile moat
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but then

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china

gaunt star
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Tf is a CE

maiden lodge
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Oh so, they can teleport a particle right? That's totally the same as teleporting people

sterile moat
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it's one step

maiden lodge
gaunt star
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Is that Castrum

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I forgot the other word in it

maiden lodge
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Critical Engagements

sterile moat
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CE are the blue fates that appear in the map

gaunt star
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You can't do those for step 3

maiden lodge
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Fair, what's the other option?

gaunt star
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Palace of the dead or AIDS x15

maiden lodge
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Fates?

gaunt star
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Floors 51+

maiden lodge
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Oh right

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Okay

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So

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Do POTD. Or not.

viscid monolith
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POTD or what

brisk quail
unreal wadi
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delubrum

brisk quail
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Like any

gaunt star
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I don't even have that but apparently POTD is AIDS too from the comments

maiden lodge
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Or Delubrum

brisk quail
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Have you seen a smidge of new healing types?

unreal wadi
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delubrum is more fun

brisk quail
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Or new methods?

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New ideas?

sterile moat
maiden lodge
sterile moat
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i never did

maiden lodge
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But you're on the third stage of your relic.

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Get out.

gaunt star
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No the POTD

maiden lodge
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Oh potd

gaunt star
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And I'm on the first

sterile moat
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i said, i didn't want medica I to be copy pasted once again

maiden lodge
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level 17, gridania, House that Death Built

dim sigil
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Do you have to go to floor 100 to get one piece or is it 10 floors

brisk quail
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Melees shouldn't have melee combo starters

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That's bad

gaunt star
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All I know is its 51+

brisk quail
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Why does every melee get a bad skill at level 1

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This is bullshit

gaunt star
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Delebrum is about as fun as a root canal

maiden lodge
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Then do Palace of the Dead

dim sigil
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Imagine if it's a random chance the horde chests

maiden lodge
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Literally, go do that.

brisk quail
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It's not like its NESSECARY

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For the game

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Or anything

sterile moat
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if they remove the first button

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then the 2nd becomes the first

brisk quail
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Why didn't WHM get a heal at level 1

sterile moat
gaunt star
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Might as well learn the Savage raid

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Faster and much higher ilvl weapon

brisk quail
viscid monolith
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Delubrum is more fun and I need the Essences anyway for Savage

brisk quail
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First button press does nothing

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It's just damage

maiden lodge
brisk quail
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Therefore it's bad

sterile moat
gaunt star
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I'm guessing the last step will complete 15 Savages

brisk quail
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Exactly

gaunt star
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And the weapons will get another visual downgrade

brisk quail
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That's the point

viscid monolith
brisk quail
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There's NESSECITIES

sterile moat
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but here's a concept that even exists on ff

brisk quail
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Theres staples

viscid monolith
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Maybe WHM will finally get reverse

maiden lodge
brisk quail
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Things must be done a certain way

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To make the play smooth

viscid monolith
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!buff Reverse

lusty shadowBOT
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**Reverse**

The effects of white magicks have been reversed from beneficial to corrupting.

maiden lodge
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'what do you mean it takes a long time in repetitive combat'

gaunt star
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More like garbage designed siy

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Shit

maiden lodge
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Then don't get your relic and go do Emerald Weapon Ex

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Or do 7 weeks of Eden's Promise 4 normal

sterile moat
maiden lodge
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shrugs

sterile moat
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they could've just given healers reverse

gaunt star
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I unironiallly almost quit mid way through 1 run of that trash dungeon

sterile moat
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or make more spells like assize

gaunt star
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2 hours for a dungeon

maiden lodge
brisk quail
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Isn't that just more forms of dps?

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That's not healing

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That's not new ways to make green numbers go up

sterile moat
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what is healing?

brisk quail
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That's what you wanted

viscid monolith
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It'a not a dungeon

brisk quail
viscid monolith
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It's a raid

maiden lodge
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Go do PotD

brisk quail
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You wanted new wild healing ideas

maiden lodge
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Literally, do the other thing

viscid monolith
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This is a real raid

sterile moat
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if you think about it, killing something before it does a raidwide is mitigation

viscid monolith
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As defined by WoW

brisk quail
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Not starting the fight is also mitigation

sterile moat
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now where is that image

brisk quail
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If you exit

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You never take damage

sterile moat
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no, because not starting the fight implies something is not being killed

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and that might end the world

brisk quail
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Nope you still avoid damage

maiden lodge
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Watching a fight on youtube is watching it get killed but you take zero damage--ultimate strats

thin crypt
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anyone get cerberus mount yet

sterile moat
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yea

brisk quail
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I beat an ultimate

sterile moat
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people have cleared savage already

brisk quail
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I joined a clear party and quit

thin crypt
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how it look like in game

sterile moat
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i didn't yet, trying to get the rare shit from normal DR

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and losing my sanity as i watch a BRD die 20 times to the same shit

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also

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is this just flavor text or do pure essences really have hidden effects?

pine epoch
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Gambler will kill you

brisk quail
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But. I will say if and when (likely never) if a new... unique form of healing is though up of and created. You bet your ass EVERY MMO will soon adopt it and or integrate it

sterile moat
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yea, nobody cares

brisk quail
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Hell. Many videogames as a whole

sterile moat
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that wasn't the topic anyways

brisk quail
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Okay buddy good job. You win

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You did it

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I'm so proud

sterile moat
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good, better be happy than sad

spiral wagon
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BocchiCry if only i could read moonrunes

pine epoch
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Look at this final sting

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Fuckin

brisk quail
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I think he ded

sterile moat
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now do it on ravana

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while it's red

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actually, how much hp does hard ravana has

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omegalul 778k

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you can one shot ravana with a final sting

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ex has 1.68mil

rain onyx
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I think you can one-shot T13 with it

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Or come very close to

clever token
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What's the drop chance for these memories from fates?? I've gotten 0 so far :L

vocal sorrel
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holy shit they're not guaranteed like the last time? fuck

clever token
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No. and you have to get 18 of 2 types

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so 36 total

vocal sorrel
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yeah I hear dabout that but I thought that couldn't be too bad cause they'd be guaranteed

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but that SUCKS

gaunt star
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pls tell me the timeworn artifacts are 100% from potd

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T13 is 1.3m hp iirc so yeah with the superecho you should be able to oneshot

clever token
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yeah either fates or running alliance raids for the guaranteed ones :\

gaunt star
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They had the chance to make golden bahamut have exactly 10x the hp of t13 but it's off by like 0.5% wearycarby

viscid monolith
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There's a vid on Reddit of someone hitting Shiva for 800k

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You won't one shot Bahamut because he doesn't have a phase where takes more damage

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The Ravana number is inflated

tidal shell
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What's cluster farming like now? :p

stable island
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@clever token

It is around 5%, reddit and the official forums are swarmed with complaints about it.

The only reliable way to make progress is to do 2 × 18 24-mans and that is bad, it doesn't help new ppl at all, it turns away people and make those raids not more lively.

tidal shell
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If anyone has tried it; in terms of profit/and/or just items you can obtain in general from the random boxes etc for example

stable island
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@gaunt star

PotD farm for timeworn artifacts?

Yep it is 100% drop, but only from on 50 or Floor 100 afaik, so no 51-60 spam.

gaunt star
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1-50 spam it is

open verge
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Only floor 50??

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Or 1-50

dim sigil
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1 50 or 51 100

stable island
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Yep, 1 to 50 or 51 to 100.

open verge
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But you said no 51-60 spam

stable island
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Nope, floor 51 to floor 60 doesn't give any timeworn artifacts.

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Gotta get to floor 100 for that.
(Or to Floor 50 from Floor 1)

modern knoll
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completing floor 100 or floor 50

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so starting at 51 the closest will be floor 100

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starting floor 1 the closest will be 50

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either way gotta climb 50 floors

open verge
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That’s fucking awful

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Is dr 100%?

dim sigil
#

Would u rather do dr 15 times

open verge
#

Yes?

dim sigil
#

It better f****** be 100%

gaunt star
#

It's more like when ppl get used to mechanics in DR

#

it'd be more worth it

#

still day 2

dim sigil
#

CEs need to 100% tho likd it's dumb

stable island
#

Both PotD and DR is 100%

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For the Timeworn artifacts

dim sigil
#

Giving you need 15 c e has no reason to not be 100% if it was like 5 or something sure they can be random but no

stable island
#

But you know i smell a nerf very fast.

clever token
#

They need to fcking up this fate percentage

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lmao

dim sigil
#

Are the sb fates 100%

clever token
#

no

open verge
#

I’m just spamming raids

dim sigil
#

Whay

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What

open verge
#

Not sure how fast void ark is with blue mages

stable island
#

Grinding is not a problem, but give players a feel of progress.

When things feel unrewarding or too much of a hassle (or just too boring) players just stop with it and look elsewhere.

clever token
#

i don't want to do alliance raids 36 times

open verge
#

Haven’t gotten a run with them yet

stable island
#

CT with Blue mages is around 11m

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Void ark is also around 11m

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@clever token

That means it is better to stop with the relic then.

open verge
#

Oh that’s great then

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I promise doing the alliance raids Ian that bad

clever token
#

i already ran ct 15 times

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lmao

dim sigil
#

DR/potd step is just for sub stats right

open verge
#

Yes

stable island
#

But doing it 18 times is just too boring for players.

RNG grinding is always bad, because it is no fun, no fun = no game.

open verge
#

Not sure if that is optional

dim sigil
#

If i can get glow before that ill do that last step at a slower pace

open verge
#

If 18 times of boring why are they doing a relic

dim sigil
#

One dr a week or something with some potd

clever token
#

because it's current content??

open verge
#

Yea but it’s relic

stable island
#

Actually, PotD and DR is REQUIRED to get the relic to i515.

The stat alteration is just 100 poetics.

open verge
#

Oh really?

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Didn’t know that

stable island
#

Yep, the 2nd quest will trigger the Timeworn artifacts farm too.

open verge
#

5.5 is far away and 5.55 even further then that

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Don’t see the big problem with the grind tbh

clever token
#

because it's boring?

open verge
#

Ye but that’s what relic grinds are

clever token
#

like a grind should be at least appealing and not brain killing.

open verge
#

That’s how relics always been

serene crest
#

Anima grind was much worse than this

clever token
#

i just did anima

open verge
#

To the point where people were bitching the previous steps were too easy

clever token
#

it was not as bad lol

open verge
#

And then boom

stable island
#

I think there will be a nerf before 5.5, too much players are complaining now.

Not because of the grind, but more because it is no fun doing it, a bogus choice is not a choice.
Players only have one choice for the relics, the 24-mans, the other one has too slow progress.

open verge
#

What is bad about running 24 mans

serene crest
#

No no when it first hit it was ridiculous.

open verge
#

I’m not seeing the issue ngl

graceful sonnet
#

are the JP players complaining? because that's the only way it'll probably get changed

open verge
#

Relics are optional anyway

#

If you don’t want to do them don’t 😂

#

By the time it’s bis the expansion would be over already

stable island
#

When ARR/HW relics were current, players only do one or two weapons.....

Nowadays players want more then 2. The playerbase changed.

And yes afaik, the JP players are complaining too.

clever token
#

ugh

open verge
#

It’ll get nerfed soon enough

stable island
#

The JP players are even more complaining then us US and EU players actually.

unreal wadi
#

should make fates

open verge
#

I’m fine with the 24 mans

unreal wadi
#

guaranteed a drop

graceful sonnet
#

i mean, grind is one thing; but when you do one thing then have the same thing be a part of the thing and CHANGE how that thing does the thing; that's not fair

open verge
#

The rest of it is bullshit

unreal wadi
open verge
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Like I’m more mad about the augments then the fucking relic

graceful sonnet
#

Expectation did not match result

open verge
#

Because the augments r fucking ridiculous

sterile moat
#

imagine even thinking of doing atma more than once on week 1

#

we're on day 3 and people are complaining relic too hard to get

open verge
#

Lol

stable island
#

Nah, 25% drop rate for fates is enough.
They also did it with the new players in mind, but this was not a good way.

static furnace
#

Yeah, seems like people are complaining they can’t do it by day 3 tbh

open verge
#

I don’t know I didn’t expect to get this relic in 2 days like the last one

stable island
#

@sterile moat, the playerbase changed too.

Nowadays players want more then 1 or 2 relics.

open verge
clever token
#

if only it WAS 25%

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😩

open verge
#

Quit bitching about the relics and bitch about the augments

#

I want dyeable gear ffs

#

I can’t believe they made the non augmented one undyeble

stable island
#

@static furnace

That is not the problem, the problem is that the players only have one real choice to do the relic this time. And that is 51 times doing the same thing (15x, 18x and 18x) for each relic.

And doing things again and again is not really humans are build on.

dim sigil
#

Bitch about not being able to use the SUPER COOL helmets

open verge
#

Like it’s such an unnecessary change

#

Doing multiple relics pre nerf

#

You fucking asked for it

clever token
#

that's such a dumb thought process lmao

#

but ok

open verge
#

Sure

#

But

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It’s the truth

gaunt star
#

I could care less bout the grind but that's a major bias coming from me

#

since I play warframe :')

open verge
#

I just want dyeable gear

stable island
#

Nah, relics are always ment to be a grind, but RNG grind is no fun.
(If the alernative is something that is too repeative, something humans are not good at.)

Games are ment to be fun, not annoying.

open verge
#

This isn’t rng tho

clever token
#

Fates are RNG

#

wdym

#

5%??

#

too low

open verge
#

Then don’t do the fates

clever token
#

then we literally just said the raids are no fun and a bore lmao

#

you're missing the point my dude

open verge
#

Fates so much fun soulsurrender

clever token
#

they're at least different

open verge
#

So you just want this step to be exactly like the last one?

clever token
#

No, just give at least a viable option instead of relying on RNG or tearing your hair out in alliance raids lmao

dim sigil
#

I just don't want there to be RNG especially when there's like 15times per step

open verge
#

I’m more mad that it’s not doable in bozja

clever token
#

see i'd do it if it were in bozja

open verge
#

That both options requires to be doing old shit

stable island
#

Yep and the other choice is something most players don't want to do because it is boring.

Maybe i can refer to the sleeping night warden? It is not because he is bad, he fell asleep out of boredom.

Humans aren't designed to do things repeative by mother nature.

dim sigil
#

CEs being slower then ct spam sucks

open verge
#

Human nature

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Who cares

clever token
#

not you

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but a lot of other players do

#

lol

open verge
#

What’s stopping anyone from not doing the content they don’t like

stable island
#

Well, kmmo players die behind the keybord. And they don't do the same thing again and again in games.

open verge
#

I just don’t get why people feel forced to do this relic

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That’s al

gaunt star
#

Ignore how late this but me and my friends farmed on the beach of kholusia. Theres a lot of mobs close together so you get xp steadily

open verge
#

I farmed in yanxia

gaunt star
#

You get same xp as you do from the 69 mobs

stable island
#

It is not because of the relic at all i guess, i think more players want to have something to do, but this mess is no fun.

open verge
#

Then I ended in lochs

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If it’s not fun then don’t do it tho

gaunt star
#

But you dont have to get on ur mount and fly anywhere to find more mobs. You can just run around and keep aggroing

open verge
#

haha Atleast that’s my approach to all content is this game

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I never force myself to do shit I don’t like but maybe y’all do

stable island
#

Best place is Kholusia near Mord Souq, i got from 60 to 70 Blu in one hour there.

cobalt crystal
#

for the last quest of relic weapon to roll stats, for PotD option I heard you have to do it on floor 100, is that true.

stable island
#

Nope.

cobalt crystal
#

So any 10 floors?

stable island
#

@cobalt crystal

It is floor 50 or floor 100, and it is required before completing the relic.

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The actual reroll is just 100 poetics.

dim sigil
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I don't do a single thing in this game if I don't like it and I'm not in the mood

open verge
#

Same

dim sigil
#

Maybe today I want to spam extreme

cobalt crystal
#

is the drop 100% when you do it that way or is the new "raid" 100%

dim sigil
#

Or maybe i wanna garher etc

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I don't do anything because I have to like I only go to it when I'm in the mood

open verge
#

If the complaint boils down to this content is not fun
Then maybe don’t do the intentionally grindy content haha

stable island
#

@cobalt crystal

Only 24-mans are 100% drop.
And DR and PotD F50 and F100

sterile moat
#

more like the vocal playerbase changed

#

people that did prenerf atma are laughing at this shit

open verge
#

Every relic step this expansion before this was actually free

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So I’m not even mad

dim sigil
#

I'm not like I have to cap tomes now I'm more like well i dont feel like doing roulettes n stuff such as im only getting my tome wepon next week now

stable island
#

Dan how many atma weapons did you do then? When it still was current?

open verge
#

Next step is also the victory lap soooo

sterile moat
#

most ARR/HW players know relics were made to revitalize old content, not to be a content on it's own like it was back in eureka

sterile moat
open verge
#

One

sterile moat
#

except on eureka where i made 3

open verge
#

Then you come back because you know they are gonna nerf the step

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I thought everyone did one and came back to it when they nerfed the steps

#

You guys actually do multiple weapons pre nerf? haha

stable island
#

Nowadays players want more then 1 relic.

And there is a difference too.

Back in the old days, jobs weren't broken when synced.
Nowadays with the cap on 80, many skills are locked when doing stuff. That is also a mayor issue.

versed hill
#

^^^^^^

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Syrcus ad hominem with level 50 sync

open verge
#

The sync makes these content even faster doe

#

Now we got blue mage fucking with these raids even faster

stable island
#

Yep, but who plays the optional blue mage? 😁

open verge
#

Me

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It’s fun

stable island
#

Anyway, this is not a good grind.

open verge
#

Should try

versed hill
#

Blue mages busy with new content to do syrcus

stable island
#

I have BLU on L70 too.

open verge
#

Yea but blue mage doesn’t get synced

stable island
#

Blue mage does get synced.

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Only the skills don't.

open verge
#

That’s what I meant and you know it

versed hill
#

I havent seen any blue mage syrcus pf

#

So moot point anyway

open verge
#

Make one then

stable island
#

But you know, it only shaves off 3 minutes or so.

open verge
#

It just seems like y’all don’t want to do the grind

stable island
#

So that is not really attractive.

open verge
#

Which is perfectly fine

versed hill
#

Mate i have 8 zetas

grave raft
#

75 syrcus tower runs 🤔

stable island
#

@open verge

It is not the grind itself, it is the way the Devs did it. It is not a fun grind, that is the problem.

open verge
#

How fast do y’all want to get this relic anyway

stable island
#

@versed hill

And when did you got it? Post nerf? 😀

open verge
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Because I guess I view it from the perspective of a goal

versed hill
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I did 2 pre nerf

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If they allowed unsync it would be a different matter

stable island
#

Not too fast RainCloud, but players want a feeling of progress in a fun way. Running 51 alliance raids just for 1 reliable grind progress is annoying and no fun.
No fun = no game.

There is a way bigger problem, if too much players are annoyed and stopping certain content, they will stonewalling players that do want the content, because they can't progress due to a lack of players.

Optional or not, the choice becomes moot then, it will be abandoned content.

versed hill
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Id beat up a9s and tam tara endlessly just for light

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At least I have my full skillset

open verge
#

I don’t care about the raids

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The problem is

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Bozja being garbage for it

#

Raids are perfectly fine the fact that bozja is not even remotely close in speed is where the nerfs need to come from

sterile moat
stable island
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Yeah, but the drop rates really need to becone 25% or so and it has to be farmed in bozja too, with same drop rate.

Relics are ment to be a grind, but again, too much RNG and you will annoy players. Same deal if there is a 100% boring option and a 5% option that is less boring.

sterile moat
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everyone always bitches is hard to get

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every single time

pine epoch
#

Fuckin

#

It was approximately 1.9 mil so nearly 2 mil in damage. Final sting is second only to Perfect Alexander’s Ordained Punishment. The only thing that hits harder is Ordained Stillness/Motion

sterile moat
#

a lot of players either do 1 relic or don't bother with it at all for feeling it's a waste of time, some even wait for nerfs to get it for glam much easier

pine epoch
stable island
#

Well.....

Why are there so much more casuals then nowadays and ppl are also complaining game is too easy?

open verge
#

Because they are babies

#

Hotfix will come and buff the drop rates

#

I can guarantee that 100%

sterile moat
#

yea

versed hill
#

Funny how you say that considering how difficult DR is for normal content

sterile moat
#

they just want the relic NOW

primal basalt
#

then people will complain it’s too easy

sterile moat
#

because ShB relic has been a joke so far

open verge
#

People complained last 2 steps were too easy

primal basalt
#

because that’s all xiv players want to do

#

complain

open verge
#

And now we have a relic that takes time and it’s big issue

sterile moat
#

it's not even a big issue, it's just people being vocal on day 1

strange wing
#

Oh hey, Debutante Reginald is a really good raid.

sterile moat
#

it happens with everything

#

fight too hard

#

drops too low

#

glam is bad

open verge
#

Remember diadem weapons

versed hill
#

DR is fun

open verge
#

That no one could get

sterile moat
#

lol

open verge
#

At the end of the expansion

versed hill
#

Wish people used lost actions and essences

open verge
#

When it didnt fucking matter

versed hill
#

Hot and cold boss takes forever

strange wing
#

Castrum is a pretty dumb roadblock though, I feel bad for whoever tries to catch up.

sterile moat
#

hey it made fflogs shut down

#

i280 gear

stable island
#

Nah, i am used to grinding too.
It is not the grind, but how you grind for it.

If players grind they expect progress, so what if the only way to get progress is something that induces sleep on players? :zzz:

The new raid is indeed very good!

sterile moat
#

when savage dropped i270

open verge
#

Fix the actual issues with castrum and augments

#

Leave the relic the same

sterile moat
#

yea

#

i agree on that

gusty quest
#

I love the new raid, especially the final boss with the queen

versed hill
#

Isn't the reason the law armor being crap because raiders complained elemental armor being too good

sterile moat
#

the big grind is the gear

#

not the relic

open verge
#

There is progress tho

grave raft
strange wing
#

Queen's throne is kinda lame.

grave raft
#

too awesome

open verge
#

I don’t get what you mean by no progress??

stable island
#

Yep, new raid very well done.

open verge
#

This is the best 24 man this expansion

sterile moat
#

also

open verge
#

Which is kinda crazy

versed hill
sterile moat
#

eureka
raiders

strange wing
#

But I'm all for big women wearing very little.

versed hill
#

you know e10s shadow servant?

grave raft
#

yeah

gusty quest
#

I really like the chess motif in the moves. Really cool idea

versed hill
#

Its like that

open verge
#

Fuck shadow servant

grave raft
open verge
#

Hurts my head

strange wing
#

I'm probably never gonna touch Savage, but I imagine it's really good as well.

versed hill
#

They even give a brand debuff now

gusty quest
#

I only hope for the final part of Bozja we can stick it to Gabranth

sterile moat
versed hill
#

So if you have 2 ice and 1 fire debuff, means you only need 1 fire to get to 0

open verge
#

The doom stacks needs to be the go too

strange wing
#

700k mettle. You ask me for too much game

versed hill
#

Doom is fine

open verge
#

Doom stacks are the perfect punishment

sterile moat
#

so if you felt DR was too slow you'll like savage

versed hill
#

Just remove that shit from the ravana shields

#

Its stupid

strange wing
#

Oh man

open verge
#

I thought savage would guarantee the gear

strange wing
#

What if all damage is turned into Doom stacks

open verge
#

It doesn’t

grave raft
#

they can actually bump the rng for CEs on the first step, not 100% but not some bad rng.

strange wing
#

And they just remove healers entierly

sterile moat
#

look

gaunt star
#

Doom stacks are not a good way to teach mechs

sterile moat
#

i ran castrum more than 50 times

#

and i only saw 1 upgrade item drop

versed hill
#

Vul stacks doesnt stop people

primal basalt
#

technically all damage is doom stacks, doom just casts instantly when it caps

sterile moat
#

i don't give a shit about the relic but, these bozja drops are fucking dumb

open verge
#

Vuln stacks isn’t helpful either

versed hill
#

Damage down doesnt matter since there is no enrage

sterile moat
#

that's what people should be complaining about

versed hill
#

Well

open verge
#

Vuln stacks just makes you eat shit and say fuck mechanics

versed hill
#

Only in knights

gaunt star
#

Can anyone confirm how many times you need to step 2?

strange wing
#

Oh Bozja drops are dumb that's for sure. I'm only doing one relic, but that's all going to be in raids

gaunt star
#

Vuln stacks aren’t that good either they just cause problems when you’re playing with new people

#

My friends saying there's no repeatable quest symbol

#

I usually don’t have problems with mechs but when you get faced with new people these gimmicks slow the run more than they help if at all

stable island
#

@open verge

No one is doing something without a reward of some kind.
(It is true that the time want to invest before reward is different for each individual, but it is a fact that humans expect faster rewards for their troubles nowadays.)

So if they only good way is something that is annoying for you to progress, what would you do?
You can stop yes, that is a choice, but was it really a choice in that case?

gaunt star
#

And he's not sure if its a one-and-done thing or same as the other steps

sterile moat
#

the new savage dmg downs is the best

grave raft
#

tfw you're doing 5 relics sadcarby

sterile moat
#

to stop people from being idiots

strange wing
open verge
strange wing
#

I just need help deciding between DRK and GNB

#

And finding armor sets that match

gaunt star
#

Id prefer damage down/some kind of enrage rather than the doom or vuln stacks

#

"We were tired of people abusing mitigation to brute-force through vuln stacks so we made people use mitigation to brute-force through damage downs"

open verge
#

^

#

That’s why I like the doom

#

No brute force

#

You fuck up and get punished

#

It’s great

versed hill
#

Oh you're in the correct spot but one isnt? Eat a damage down

open verge
#

What’s the damage down?

sterile moat
#

80%

gaunt star
#

Punishing people too much isn’t going to make normal mode runs go faster

strange wing
#

The only problem with DR is that eventually I'll run out of mettle from dying all the time

gaunt star
#

is it 80 🤔

sterile moat
#

you're better off dying

gaunt star
#

I thought it was 50%

sterile moat
#

i heard 80

#

never tested

viscid monolith
#

You don't need mettle anyway

open verge
#

Not yet

viscid monolith
#

Also it's 50%

sterile moat
#

so i'll believe it's 50

gaunt star
strange wing
#

Ah yes.

open verge
#

Imagine next step will be more ranks

gaunt star
#

The big dmg downs are always 50% afaik

#

Looks like it’s the Ifrit

strange wing
#

The SS Freudian Nightmare

open verge
#

I can’t wait for the last step

drowsy ivy
#

Cant wait for next Bozja to use Mettle instead of Light for a kettle

viscid monolith
#

My Drills went from 60k to 30k

open verge
#

Bozja as a whole has been so fun

gaunt star
#

Shivas lasted so long it was literally only better than dying because you didn't lose gauge

grave raft
#

last step, you should be at rank 15.

strange wing
#

Garleans sure have to compensate for something

open verge
#

I loved every step of bozja man I think they knocked it out of the park with save the queen

gaunt star
#

I can’t wait for them to introduce 10 more ranks to really screw people over

open verge
#

Yeaa

viscid monolith
#

Alternating between Sfia and Happy's streams

sterile moat
#

probably not in shb

versed hill
#

Thatd be a huge middle finger lmao

gaunt star
#

I mean, mettle gain scales with rank

viscid monolith
#

I can feel the frustration emanating from screen

gaunt star
#

And it would be expected too

sterile moat
#

we'll most like get a raid to the ifrit and relic done

open verge
#

Yea

strange wing
#

100 man raid

open verge
#

Victory lap boyo

gaunt star
#

So it would take about the same time to go from 0 mettle to 703k than to level from like R13 to R15 the first time

strange wing
#

3 simulations fights

sterile moat
#

not much point to get +10 ranks

open verge
#

I wonder what style of content it will be

gaunt star
#

Most likely (valnain?) as the zone

open verge
#

Will it be a mix of all the bozja content?

strange wing
#

If one person gets hit with an AoE insta wipe 100K mettle lost

primal basalt
open verge
#

We got a trial , open zone , 24 man

#

What’s next

gaunt star
#

In the end I prefer deep dungeon over bozja

open verge
#

I don’t

viscid monolith
#

What 24 man

#

What trial

open verge
#

Deep dungeon sucks yoshiPain

viscid monolith
#

Oh you mean Bozja

open verge
#

Varis and DR

gaunt star
#

However the judge armor is worth it to me

viscid monolith
#

DR is a 48 man

open verge
#

Is it

viscid monolith
#

Yes

gaunt star
#

Savage

sterile moat
#

i still think deep dungeon killed this game playerbase

strange wing
#

DR is 24 I thought

open verge
#

Is normal not 24?

gaunt star
#

Normal is 24

#

Savage 48

viscid monolith
#

Oh shit

sterile moat
#

you can shut your brain off and level up

viscid monolith
#

That's a bummer

open verge
#

Yea that’s what I meant

gaunt star
#

Castrum is 7 people if you’re lucky!!

primal basalt
#

check your facts

open verge
#

Where does castrum fall

grave raft
#

dungeon?

viscid monolith
#

It doesn't have good rewards

open verge
#

Is castrum also a 24 man?

viscid monolith
#

Now Castrum is 24-48

open verge
#

Like I know it’s not guranteed 24

grave raft
#

a big ass dead dungeon?

gaunt star
#

The Max is 48

open verge
#

But it’s structured like one right?

gaunt star
#

Realistically under 10

open verge
#

It’s more like a 24 man dungeon

#

Then a raid

primal basalt
#

it goes up to 48, but it fires off with whatever

open verge
#

I agree with that yea it’s a big ass dungeon

viscid monolith
#

Anyway people don't do Castrum anymore because the rewards suck

open verge
#

Castrum is fun

#

But they killed it

viscid monolith
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And the devs won't fix it for some reason

strange wing
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Maybe

open verge
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There is literally 3 changes that it needs and it will be fine

gaunt star
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Castrum is not hard but when you have people who expect to go in without prior knowledge it’s a disaster

strange wing
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They'll take Castrum and turn it into a Crafting contest

open verge
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Better augment drops, exp, nettles

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Like seriously

gaunt star
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3 changes that will never happen because of the pride complex going on

open verge
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why doesn’t it give exp

viscid monolith
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It needs to drop relic materials too

gaunt star
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There's speculation that the 2nd step is a one-time-thing because the quest is not reappearing on the relic guy or the node

grave raft
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give it a huge mettle bump

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and people will run that

open verge
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I don’t get why it doesn’t fucking drop exp

gaunt star
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Because ffxi nostalgia

open verge
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Meanwhile CE that will be spawned in the same time five exp and coins

gaunt star
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But i cant confirm or deny until he does step 3 and then step 1 again

open verge
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It’s so backwards

viscid monolith
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Because the devs are occasionally indefensible morons

open verge
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It’s like so easy to fix casteum

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All it needs is one hotfix but they refuse to do it

strange wing
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Better rewards

gaunt star
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I thinks it’s they can never admit when they have messed up

open verge
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“But people doing bozja now will fix” no

strange wing
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But they have, a lot.

open verge
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They do

viscid monolith
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Sometimes I really wish I could get a 1 on 1 interview with Yoshida but it would mostly amount to "What the fuck was wrong with you when you made x decision?"

sterile moat
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that you can trade collectibles for coins

strange wing
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In fact FF14 spawns from Square's biggest fuck up of all time

open verge
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I also hate the duel system

viscid monolith
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Because I cannot fathom why they made Bozja so shit for the FUCKING BOZJA RELIC

open verge
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But I’ll let that slide I guess

strange wing
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And, wasn't there another Bozja thing that got turned into Ishgard Restoration?

gaunt star
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Diadem

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Something something complaisn about eureka something something squeenix stupid

sterile moat
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diadem was garbage

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my god

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so fucking bad

open verge
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5.55 is literally a stormblood patch

strange wing
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How bad does that have to be to get deleted from teh game

open verge
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Literally

gaunt star
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Aetherial weapons sounds hilarious

open verge
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I liked diadem original

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I had fun

gaunt star
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You like those piety daggers

sterile moat
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you know how in eureka you kill mobs to spawn a NM

viscid monolith
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Diadem was deleted from the game twice

open verge
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I got the diadem mount in 2 days

sterile moat
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it was basically ONLY that

strange wing
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Dear god

gaunt star
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S... So eureka?

viscid monolith
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It was that without the NMs

sterile moat
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and when the fate died you had a chance for a chest to drop

gaunt star
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Oh no

open verge
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I didn’t do the new diadem

viscid monolith
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Sometimes a fate boss spawned

open verge
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Seemed like shit

gaunt star
open verge
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Emergency missions so fun

viscid monolith
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Most of the time no fate boss spawned

gaunt star
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6.0 better be good

grave raft
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Eureka Bozja 0.1 for 6.0

open verge
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Shb is lessons learned

grave raft
viscid monolith
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Don't even get me started on Emergency Missions

open verge
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Especially the southern front

gaunt star
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Diadem two three

viscid monolith
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Emergency Missions might have been the worst content they ever added

sterile moat
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oh

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and more

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at the start flying was disabled

open verge
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Southern front was literally everything good about eureka but faster

sterile moat
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so you had to sneak around for aethercurrents

open verge
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Wtf was up with that

sterile moat
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everytime you wanted to go in

gaunt star
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Sneak

open verge
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You couldn’t mount in eureka either

gaunt star
open verge
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Why???

gaunt star
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To make it hard

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Idk

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Pagos

open verge
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You had to unlock mounting in eureka for some fucking reason

gaunt star
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No mount

sterile moat
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that and the cherry on top

gaunt star
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With dragon

open verge
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I quit In pagos

gaunt star
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Hilarious

open verge
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It was actually so garbage

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I quit that shit in one day

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I was in pagos for like 2 minutes

sterile moat
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you could either DF in with randoms who would instantly change to DoL to gather mats

open verge
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And unsubbed

sterile moat
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or rely on FC airships to take you there with your own party

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because yes

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you could not queue as a party

gaunt star
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What

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Bruh

open verge
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The thing that makes me so mad is

sterile moat
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that was release diadem

open verge
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Bozja is literally good content

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It’s really good

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So why do they make doing it shit

gaunt star
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Monkeys paw

open verge
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Like please I enjoy bozja let me enjoy it

sterile moat
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3.1 was by far

viscid monolith
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For emergency missions they had a random chance of spawning. When it spawns everyone crowds into the boss room. It's a total clusterfuck with 5 raid bosses at once and no one ever planned or organized. If you managed to clear, one person out of 72 got an ilvl 280 weapon. Mind you the max ilvl at the time was 270. The weapon that ONE person got was for a random job with random secondary stats.

sterile moat
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the most garbage patch this game has ever seen

open verge
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Stop punishing me for enjoying bozja please

sterile moat
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only reedeeming grace was thordan ex

sterile moat
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void ark was extremely boring even on day 1

open verge
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Jesus Christ that sounds awful

sterile moat
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diadem in general was a mistake and was added too early