dps check is hard too
#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
marsh osprey
gaunt star
btw idk how savage is like
wary perch
Then good luck clearing with pog
subtle pasture
like there's one thing about managing Savage content scaled to 48 people-- which has the innate mechanic of "two vuln is death," combined with, seemingly, each fight having a Duel component
gaunt star
but you can avoid doom/bleed if you shield enough to not take damage from cleansing
pearl gazelle
which ivalice raid is the fastest/shortest to grind for relic?
limber pivot
i thought you could only grind Crystal Tower
limber pivot
raids
wary perch
Rabanastre
gaunt star
there's another step that wants ivalice raids
subtle pasture
just remember, Twice-come Ruin is the replacement to No Rez and some mechanics actually ejecting you from BA 
maiden lodge
i thought you could only grind Crystal Tower
later steps my dude
limber pivot
oh lol
wary perch
Or clock tower
subtle pasture
I dislike how Chapter the Third was so short but its Relic step is so long
like the story was start, DR, done,
maiden lodge
this relic's steps are so shit
Go grind release atmas, crystal sands, a light farm, or alexandrite then
gaunt star
considering you have no way to grind for it inside of bozja
wary perch
@maiden lodge those are shit too
subtle pasture
tbf, fate farm was the better for the first step
maiden lodge
Ya'll forgot how relics supposed to be
limber pivot
Go grind release atmas, crystal sands, a light farm, or alexandrite then
what i wasn't comparing to other relics you know
limber pivot
i know the other relics suck. i was complaining how this relic also sucks
wary perch
Not boring dungeon grind
drowsy belfry
we wouldn't get a 100% drop rate from 24 mans
We'd get a 0.5% drop rate from Fates
maiden lodge
'Yoshi P, we don't like Eureka style, we would like to see more ARR or HW style relic grinds pls.'
Yoshi P, giving us exactly what we asked for, after warning us later steps would take time
'WHAT THE FUCK Y U DO THIS'
wary perch
We are getting the 0.5%
subtle pasture
That said, only 45 runs is vastly impoved on, say, Lux
wary perch
But in bozja lol
drowsy belfry
This is essentially the same as Anima's first step
"hey take your time with Fates, OR run this <x> amount of times"
But instead of 100 Alexanders 1 through 4
maiden lodge
I was expecting eureka type of grind
Well, that's you listening to not-Yoshi P then
Should listen to Yoshi P
subtle pasture
"We want more options,"
gives 4 currencies each with 4 methods, either poe, scrips, vilekin, then beast tribes OR maps
limber pivot
how DARE you not watch every single Live Letter
wary perch
What he did said with other source
subtle pasture
"so anyway here's another poe grind."
wary perch
But I wasn't expecting bozja content drop rate is so low
maiden lodge
What he did said with other source
He said we'd have multiple ways to collect the mats (which we do), and that it wouldn't be a poetics grind (which it isn't), and that early steps would be quick and later steps would take a long time (which it is)
subtle pasture
Yeah that I can agree on, running BSF for hours and not a single Loathsome
wary perch
@maiden lodge yes I understand it will take long but I wasn't expecting it to make the drop rate so low when compare to other source
Could have give higher rate
maiden lodge
<@275781124872077315> yes I understand it will take long but I wasn't expecting ...
You've been spoiled by nerfed relic steps of the past. On launch, this is absolutely normal for relics.
wary perch
Dude I'm on eureka grind and it's not easy
subtle pasture
....But the Loathsome droprate in BSF is still fairly abysmal
maiden lodge
Those relic steps of the past that go by quickly... didn't on launch.
wary perch
But I still prefer the grind rate I'm eureka than bozja
drowsy belfry
Eeeh Eureka was never hard
faint dagger
they have this odd idea that it's easier to get the mats in bozja than the alternative source
drowsy belfry
just, takes a bit
faint dagger
and... it isn't
maiden lodge
But I still prefer the grind rate I'm eureka than bozja
'nerfed relic steps of the past'
Steps 1 and 2 are easier in bozja, steps 3+ seem not to be. Meh
wary perch
I grind relic since 2.2. it's never easy.
What I'm saying is the grind rate in bozja and other source doesn't tally
maiden lodge
So?
wary perch
Which make grinding in bozja make no sense
subtle pasture
This is kinda seeping into some FFXIV boomer territory, while I agree the prior relics have had some far worst steps, the point of the most grindiest was "you're always making progress"
maiden lodge
You're complaining you have an easier option
subtle pasture
0 loathsome drops ain't progress
wary perch
For those who want to grind relic in bozja
maiden lodge
0 loathsome drops ain't progress
shrugs in Atmas
limber pivot
You're complaining you have an easier option
some people would prefer both options to be good. Not everyone likes farming FATEs over 50 times.
subtle pasture
yeah, it's as bad as original Atma
wary perch
The easier option which is shit imo cos I hate dungeon grind
maiden lodge
Well I don't know what to tell you.
The community asked for old-style grinds.
Here you are. You even have options.
subtle pasture
the issue is that Atma's had a chance on every FATE, and Loathsome is restricted to CE's, which are not common enough for the Loathsome droprate
maiden lodge
the issue is that Atma's had a chance on every FATE, and Loathsome is restricted...
You say that like people didn't sometimes spend literal days on one atma
wary perch
They could have improved it from eureka instead they do an U-turn and went back to hw dungeon grind like the hw msq last dungeon grind
subtle pasture
yeah, so imagine Atma odds on "fates" you might not even be able to participate in bc the BSF queue system
maiden lodge
They could have improved it from eureka instead they do an U-turn and went back ...
But the community didn't want another eureka grind. At all.
wary perch
What you mean community
drowsy belfry
I mean if you think about it ultimately Syrcus Tower's 100% drop rate is way faster in both drop and time
Syrcus takes about 10 minutes
it can take up to 10 minutes for a CE to spawn
So like
wary perch
Just because those who.active rant about eureka in of and Reddit?
maiden lodge
Just because those who.active rant about eureka in of and Reddit?
Yes, dismissing a majority opinion is a good way to understand the world
limber pivot
Syrcus takes about 10 minutes
what godly dps runs of Sycus are you getting
drowsy belfry
Normal runs really
subtle pasture
Like I get the CT route is far, farrrrrr easier, but like,
getting the 60 in Bozja wasN'T nigh impossible
drowsy belfry
I mean think of it this way, either you do Syrcus tower for 15-20 minutes
or stand around in Bozja for 10-15 minutes
wary perch
It's easier. I just really hate dungeon grind
foggy trench
What is the ilvl of the new completed weapon, do we know?
subtle pasture
515, I believe
wary perch
So resistance relic is no fun to me
maiden lodge
or stand around in Bozja for 10-15 minutes
I mean if you're standing around in Bozja, you're doing Bozja wrong
drowsy belfry
's true
wary perch
I will.just do drk and stop
subtle pasture
515 is post 15 DR/PotD100, iirc
foggy trench
Damn
maiden lodge
The advantage of bozja is that you're doing this while you're running around with two other relic quests on the go, which means you're using that wait time more productively
subtle pasture
Basically the CE drops for Loathsome is such an oddball from the rest of this Chapter's steps,
I understand the Memory progression to CE only, but, dang
maiden lodge
But if it's broken it'll get fixed
I'm taking this step easy, and slow this time though, cause this is the familar relic grind
silk cape
Basically the CE drops for Loathsome is such an oddball from the rest of this Ch...
They'll see what the data says. I'm certain if they think that the droprate for loathsome from CEs is too punishing and too many people are falling off the chain there and not moving on to the next quest, they'll tweak the numbers.
maiden lodge
Bro. RDM pre-verholy/flare is scuffed
'oh shit I accidentally verthundered fuckin musclememory'
silk cape
If they change nothing, it means they're fine with it.
brisk quail
I tried a CT run with one..
Nope
brisk quail
'oh shit I accidentally verthundered fuckin musclememory'
I verthunder into quick jolt
Scorch doesn't exist
maiden lodge
I verthunder into quick jolt
ahahahaha
wary perch
@silk cape they often change nothing even if it's not fine or take long time to change
See mnk for example
maiden lodge
Yeah mnk got no changes at all in shadowbringers so long as you ignore every patch note and change done to mnk
silk cape
That's something that's much more subjective than quest progression, though. And not as straightforward to fix.
subtle pasture
Well the CT part is fine, and especially continues nicely with next step calling for SoM and RtI, then like, even though that one Anima step had a shitton of variety, you usually were still just buying the Oddly Specifics with Poetics outright
maiden lodge
Your narrative: "Monk got no changes at all until 5.4!"
The actual truth: "Monk got qualify of life changes very early on that made them top DPS for a hot minute until they did a balance pass on DPS, and then got small tweaks here and there acknowledging it wasn't in a good state but the changes they needed to do were a lot bigger than a small tweak could handle so they reworked the job and released it"
subtle pasture
The Loathsome CE drop is still a “nice bonus” for people who want to stay in BSF, really
gaunt star
how fast are ivalice runs with blue mage parties btw?
subtle pasture
(IE me leveling PLD in there)
brisk quail
Monk was changed like 20 times in SHB
maiden lodge
Monk was changed like 20 times in SHB
While acknowledging work needed done
Like this idea that SEBD3 likes to just leave shit untouched and ignore it is false.
Like 'do you even play this game' false.
subtle pasture
Big reworks take expansion patches, yeah
The GL change was an impressive one for that reason
brisk quail
Like every other patch and hot fix monk got changes
silk cape
That's true from the standpoint of resources and testing opportunities, and it's true from the standpoint of not wanting to give players whiplash.
maiden lodge
If the drop rates are broken, there WILL be a hotpatch
silk cape
You EXPECT big changes at an expansion turnaround because it's been a couple years. During an expansion, you keep the changes minimal so that players can come and go easily instead of having to relearn the job wholesale after being gone for a few weeks.
maiden lodge
You EXPECT big changes at an expansion turnaround because it's been a couple yea...
And like, bear in mind, they're saying this about the same team that reworked Ninja and Summoner
silk cape
right?
subtle pasture
And also gave SCH ED back
maiden lodge
Like I'll grouse SE as a company, but BD3 is fucking on the ball with this shit, and have been since day one, so seriously, keep the wow-style 'they never try to fix shit' bullshit on blizzard's forums, because it's not true here.
subtle pasture
They can change a couple skills or traits during a patch cycle, sure. ‘M thinking like, Heat gauges or Lilies overha— yeah
CARDSSSSS
maiden lodge
They can change a couple skills or traits during a patch cycle, sure. ‘M thinkin...
I mean, they DID rework ninja/summoner too, like they're not even afraid to go big if needed
silk cape
it's not broadly true for Blizzard either, people just are really loud about not liking Blizzard's design choices, but I'm not gonna get into that fight here, i'm having a good mental health day
maiden lodge
it's not broadly true for Blizzard either, people just are really loud about not...
ehhhhhh.... not a discussion I want to have
faint dagger
yeah there's a reason i'm procrastinating here not there
subtle pasture
Well that’s what I mean by changing a few key skills and traits, so crucial they do fundamentally overhaul the job
maiden lodge
Okay that's fair
subtle pasture
Wouldn’t call it the scale of, say, AST’s rework though
subtle pasture
Also that arguably the PB and Bunshin changes were bringjng them in line with “charged actions” and “stacks”
Still sideyes assassinate being a separate button instead of transforming out of DwaD
Rip to sleeve draw being charged draw
brisk quail
I want a summoner rework
Mainly cuz I hate how it plays and pet skill/weaving
Like the mechanic is fun
Building up slowly to a burst phase
tardy ingot
Make titan egi useful
vagrant sinew
huh, turns out you can get gold coins from DR normal sometimes
my friend got one at the end
eager ginkgo
sorry, quick q for BLU dungeon learning: only need to set it as undersize, right?
fiery loom
gaunt star
honestly i want another mch rework
pine epoch
Doing content sync as blue mage you get 100% learn rate @eager ginkgo
gaunt star
its so boring to play now
eager ginkgo
i tried setting lvl sync earlier, but my pf member reject it
tardy ingot
Why would they
vagrant sinew
go on ahead anyway
gaunt star
some people dont like every job being dumbed down.playing most of the jobs feel so boring now.At the rate they are going every job will be able to fit all their skills on one bar
in a way blue mage is better even though its a limited job.it has more to it
maiden lodge
some people dont like every job being dumbed down.playing most of the jobs feel ...
The math on this doesn't check out. This is just stupid as well.
You can.... you can literally count the actions, and see the number of actions is around the same as HW. Like... seriously.
pulsar yacht
I would rather see improvements to playability than just dumbing down the types of skills (or implementing pvp combo to really parse back bottom use)
gaunt star
The math on this doesn't check out. This is just stupid as well.
the fact you could even say somethign like that implies to me you ddint play at heavensward no offense
maiden lodge
the fact you could even say somethign like that implies to me you ddint play at ...
Been playing since 2.0. Can do basic counting.
gaunt star
Been playing since 2.0. Can do basic counting.
apparently not
subtle pasture
Oh yeah, Save the Queen’s field notes noting that Allag used Ivalician Auracite to produce trigger weapons confirms a long standing lore question
IVALICE IS BEFORE ALLAG
FINALLY ANSWERED 
maiden lodge
apparently not
HW jobs could fit on two controller xhbs with some space to spare. ShB jobs generally fit on two controller XHBS with little space to spare.
Paladin requires a third bar now--it didn't in HW
Machinist is about the only example I can think of where a job has less buttons
Hell, scholar
Scholar was set up that you could have faerie abilities repeated across two xhbs but now you can't.
eager ginkgo
i still remember in 3.0, Bard became a "mage" job coz they got CASTING BAR!!!!!
That was a "GREAT" idea! 🤣
pulsar yacht
(bowmage was a song stance that added cast time in exchange for a dps boost)
gaunt star
i liked the casting phase for bard to be honest
maiden lodge
'HW had more buttons' no, HW jobs were designed like shit and flowed poorly so they felt more complicated because you were fighting your job's design in order to do.
eager ginkgo
i wonder why they removed bow"mage" later on tho... lol
gaunt star
bards didnt like having to deal with mechanics while casting
maiden lodge
i liked the casting phase for bard to be honest
'casting phase', you mean your entire rotation. Bard didn't have a 'not-casting' phase in their rotation.
eager ginkgo
but... but... but... having a bard"mage" is very kewl..... 🤣
maiden lodge
bards didnt like having to deal with mechanics while casting
Bards didn't like not being able to move like they could in ARR, so ARR vet bards felt the job was clunky for no actual gain.
subtle pasture
BRD wasn’t designed with WM in mind, that said, I enjoyed original Gauss Barrel bc MCH was sorta built with it in mind
pulsar yacht
Job identity partly. Bdo type games had archers as run and gun and translating that to tag targeting xiv means no player option to focus for more dps
maiden lodge
Bearing in mind in ARR, as well, BRDs had positioning issues that they don't know, which meant they had to handle mechanics differently
pine epoch
Dis is right about hotbars
teal geyser
Bowmage was better than gunmage because at least bowmage had wayyyyy less RNG tied to when it could and couldn't move freely
pine epoch
The devs goal is to keep jobs mostly around the same number of buttons they had in HW
maiden lodge
The devs goal is to keep jobs mostly around the same number of buttons they had ...
An approach they've mostly kept.
pine epoch
Its why the either get upgraded or replaced with new skills
maiden lodge
They also want to remove kruft, awkward bullshit from kits that get in the way of actually enjoying the job
gaunt star
Where do you spend Bozjan coins?
pulsar yacht
Southern front ,to the right of lockpick npc
pine epoch
The silver gold coins go to a buy in gangos. Bozjan coins need to be spent in BSF in the base camp
maiden lodge
To put it another way--literally everything they bitched about with Summoner, and Ninja, that prompted their reworks into what they are now was bullshit from Heavensward
teal geyser
I liked SB Summoner a lot
maiden lodge
'Summoner tripleweaving feels awful and timings are wierd' heavensward
'Mudras don't gel with the kit and fuck lag over' heavensward
pine epoch
Sb summoner was ok. But I feel shb was a improvement. But there are things i miss from old summoner
Even tho certain parts of old smn are now in the egis
Like shadow flare is now in garuda kit
But its different
maiden lodge
Shadowflare, ugh
pulsar yacht
I liked hw sch but right now it's like 5 different regens and neglected gcds unless buffed (in which case people still recommend never using if possible)
maiden lodge
MaN I SuRE MiSs a FiVE SecOND CasT TiME On A GrOuND PlaCeD AoE GuyS THiS iS SKilL rIghT?
pulsar yacht
All I want for smn is common pet skills :/
maiden lodge
I liked hw sch but right now it's like 5 different regens and neglected gcds unl...
neglected gcds are what you sign up for as healer
pine epoch
Ok so. Gogo themes are from ff6. But his dialogue and fight gimmick is FFV
maiden lodge
Here's the tea about mettle:
IT's not a currency, you can't spend it, and it only exists to increase rank to 15. Which you don't need.
ashen tundra
Just don't do bozjan stuff 'cause it's bad, k
pine epoch
Also act 2 is essentially enraged gogo from FFV. If you keep fighting him in FFV he gets fed up and actually gets serious about kicking your ass
pine epoch
I lost 30k mettle from doing Delubrum Reginae
When you unlock DR savage it doesnt matter how much mettle you have anymore
fringe adder
IT's not a currency, you can't spend it, and it only exists to increase rank to ...
Well, I have to increase it somehow if I wanna follow the story tho
pine epoch
The 700k is only to keep people from unlocking it
maiden lodge
Well, I have to increase it somehow if I wanna follow the story tho
So let me see if I get this straight. You need mettle to follow the story, despite the fact you've already completed the story that you need mettle to unlock, yes?
fringe adder
That I don't know, the next quest requires me to be rank 15
candid pewter
do you have to queue as the job you're trying to get loathsome memories for, or can you queue as anything
maiden lodge
The next quest is savage, it's not the story.
fringe adder
Ohh then nvm lmao
maiden lodge
Yeah, you need 700k mettle to get into savage
which is like 'man, if you think normal is rough'
maiden lodge
But if your only worry is losing mettle in normal or BSF, like... why?
ahahaha
oof
Hey I died a lot in normal too because my internet decided to shit the bed constantly
good times
fringe adder
I went in blind because I didn't want to get spoiled. Reality was brutal
pine epoch
Blind runs of a 24 man or new content usually result in a lot of wipes especially since most of DR is new mechanics that have not been seen before
gaunt star
Blind runs of 24 mans are always fun
pine epoch
My only gripe with DR is that it doesnt have the alliance raid UI
Cause it's annoying to see whose dead in fellow alliances
And I hate yell chat for communication
Atleast savage alliance chat can be used
Or can it
scenic vigil
yeah, baldesion arsenal didnt either
pulsar yacht
Dr recycles bsf code so it's not a true alliance instance
scenic vigil
wish it would use it
most annoying thing for me is the process of checking that the person who has aggro is indeed a tank so some dps player doesnt yell at me
pulsar yacht
As you said yeah would be nice for reading without sheepish manual targeting
odd yoke
Happy has downed Knights guard savage...where are others
pulsar yacht
Ferro I think is reprogging first boss but might just have been a sketch group
pulsar yacht
I'll check what the other team is at when I have more energy
Vd is at 3rd boss enrage
Not sure about arthars or xenosys
scenic vigil
so wait DR is still not cleared by... anybody?
odd yoke
No
There's fucking 6 bosses
With res penalty
In a row
And some 1v1s for some buff
autumn heron
It has a 30% chance of missing if I remember
Do we know if the 1v1 is random
On who has to do it
faint dagger
@odd yoke hate to ping out of blue, but kholusia blu leveling ACTUALLY works, right?
got friends reporting it doesn't
faint dagger
yeah, we're there
faint dagger
blu has to tag first or something?
faint dagger
Oh shit yeah
odd yoke
At least with the killer
scenic vigil
There's fucking 6 bosses
so the group thats going to last right now is first?
to see it?
odd yoke
There's someone on queen?
scenic vigil
sfia's stream only has 1 step left on the duty's objective list
odd yoke
Sfia looks like he's on trinity
odd yoke
Yeah
To hide things
So both happy and sfia are on Trinity
Phantom doesn't look bad
Fucking MELTS with banish
Healer adds though 
Cant wait to see trinity savage
odd yoke
Yes
There is
So far they just give some kind of buff
But thats probably gonna be mandatory at some point
Either for like dps or mechanics
scenic vigil
that doesn't feel like it adds up with the checklist on the duty information
oak pike
have DR savage been cleared yet?
scenic vigil
there's six items
odd yoke
No mart
People are on Trinity
Sfia/happy
Idk about the rest
Duty information is deceptive as they can add or not checkmark things
pulsar current
oh nice!
open verge
7/15 for first step
I’m fine with farming these raids tbh
Means I get to farm some glams
subtle pasture
W-which Trinity
odd yoke
Oh shit forced marched with element
subtle pasture
Oh Avowed
damn it SE
spiral wagon
which fight was that?
odd yoke
Savage
odd yoke
Savage adds forced March
spiral wagon
not even touching that
odd yoke
To temperature
Also
Sword clones
Who also cleave with temperatures
With staff there's March and clones firing
So gotta march to youe temperature and dodge clones
brisk quail
SQEX: adds children's games as secondary raid mechanics
Savage Raiders:
brisk quail
I adored the chess board mechs
brisk quail
I doubt it
My guess is bigger numbers
Like march 7
And you can walk back on a tile you've been on
*cant
odd yoke
I wonder about Smart Forced march, one that moves you in multiplen direction
polar star
The chess mechanic is really easy tbh
odd yoke
Like forward 3 left 2
brisk quail
I wonder about Smart Forced march, one that moves you in multiplen direction
Forced march 12 second face left.
Forced march 19 second forward march
Something like that?
odd yoke
Yeah something like that
Would probably need teleports
As normal forced marchs turn you
random ravine
what item is thi
odd yoke
Though then again
It would be a brain fuck if it didnt
Like Left march 12s + left March 19s
Would make a turn
shell merlin
@random ravine im on mobile i cant click see attachment
odd yoke
While Lefr + forward would techincally be straight left
meager forum
is there a trick to getting Tatami Gaeshi blu spell?
brisk quail
Just do it?
odd yoke
Wait until the floor flips
random ravine
<@!273919648511033356> im on mobile i cant click see attachment
the Marketboard item you posted
odd yoke
The floor flips is the spell
shell merlin
Oh
meager forum
we did and didnt get it? are dungeon spells 100% chance to get?
odd yoke
Are you synced
brisk quail
100% in a party of 4 blue synced
brisk quail
Every spell this expac I got the first go
Except suzaku because I was dead when she died
meager forum
not synched lol thanks
timber lichen
how many rezzes do you get in DR savage
unique verge
I imagine that had to have pissed off whoever first discovered it
Imagine having a res miss
drowsy ivy
res misses
ends up casting on someone whos alive
imagine the salt
shell merlin
Wait res missed lmao
sterile moat
dynamis dice can also cast healer LB3
ember forum
Haha ran dr 10 times got qchievement
But still no hair T.T
I did get queens barding
Hopefully I can sell that
kindred meteor
yeah it's able to be put on MB
radiant pollen
so you only get glow on your wep after 3rd step?
wind orbit
is there a new BLU mount?
rain onyx
is there a new BLU mount?
Nope
ember forum
Ppl get the hair and then they sell it on mb like come on xd
I wqnt the hair to use it nit to sell it and ai cant get it fir the life of me
Many typos but idc lol
Ill do 11th today nore and call it a day haha
severe brook
@toxic kernel Save the Queen is less a primal weapon, like Zantetsuken or the Lance of Virtue, and in actuality is ||an Allagan attempt at refining the process by which Auracite works. In practice, it's similar to those primal weapons, but is not the same thing.||
pine epoch
It's like a combination of lucavi summoning technique and zantetsuken
severe brook
yeah
maiden lodge
Yeah, it can still temper, like a primal (because tempering isn't actually primal-specific in how it works), but it's not actually one.
severe brook
i think the apparition that Misija was summoning was closer to a primal than a lucavi
because she was using the aether in the sword as the basis for a summoning
but that wasn't really the true power of the blade
and wasn't sustainable
thus the events of DR
dreamy bane
how does one get 2nd stage relic memories? 30mins of fate runs in Gyr Abania and only got 2
nobody seem to be doing cluster farm in bozja either
rain onyx
HW/SB 24-mans
spice basin
question about the relic: do you actually have to clear DR for the steps? or are the quest unlocked beforehand?
rain onyx
Need to clear DR
spice basin
Okay thanks!
maiden lodge
nobody seem to be doing cluster farm in bozja either
cluster farms can be done solo, just find Is and IIs, and recruit when you want to expand
dreamy bane
oh lost slash and whats the other lls?
vagrant sinew
is there a new BLU mount?
late but
just a new title
the azure and omega
maiden lodge
Nimrods and Slashers, in area 1
There's not as many convenient solo aoe grind spots as there is for mobs that drop lost actions but it's doable while you wait for a group to get fored
formed
elfin plover
so lets say that i started step 1 on dancer and got all 15 memories, then i changed my mind and wanted to switch to blm. if i cancel the quest and restart it as blm, will i still have all 15 memories from before and can just jump right to step 2?
i mean they're items in my inventory. the game wouldnt just take those away
right?
sterile moat
yea
you can do that
as long the items aren't consumed by the quest you can change your mind anytime
scenic vigil
is anything in particular better than anything else for Change of Arms questline?
only 3 memories from it so far
elfin plover
good. i have the tome weapon for dancer already, so id rather upgrade a relic for a job that doesnt have a 520 weapon
elfin plover
is anything in particular better than anything else for Change of Arms questline...
Syrcus tower is fastest
scenic vigil
right so everyone whos past that so far did it with the ct raids, got it
elfin plover
ST is 13-15 mins per run with a 100% drop rate
sterile moat
it's really dull
sterile moat
the issue is that haste sucks
sterile moat
once you get repeated collectibles you can trade them for coins
so it's like 25 silver coins per DR
and you have the weekly for +3
autumn heron
just doing the weekly is one piece of gear
timber lichen
oh
autumn heron
4-5 weeks to get a full set
sterile moat
what really sucks is that they made bozja to be long term content since they expect people to use it in the future to grind to lv 80
rustic heath
does anyone have a list of gifs or images of the relic weapons without the glow?
sterile moat
bozja is the new 51-60 potd and 21-30 hoh and people run that shit hundreds of times per day
maiden lodge
so it's like 25 silver coins per DR
Or you luck out and a full upgrade box drops
Or someone else does and sells it to you
sterile moat
that's a separate thing
rustic heath
do you have a full set ?
sterile moat
copy the link
maiden lodge
that's a separate thing
Only in the same way that 99 tokens and a mount drop are 'a seperate thing'
autumn heron
nah thats the leak
sterile moat
for some reason discord is retarded
autumn heron
I posted earlier
sterile moat
sterile moat
oh, misread you then
sterile moat
Only in the same way that 99 tokens and a mount drop are 'a seperate thing'
what?
rustic heath
hm i guess no one made a list of them yet
sterile moat
you need the gold coins to buy the gear in the first place, the augments is separate
also on the augments
the biggest punch in the dick is that you also need the old bozja gear
queen summit
how many times you have to run HW and SB alli raid for the weapon upgrade?
sterile moat
so back to the field area/castrum to grind coins
elfin plover
how many times you have to run HW and SB alli raid for the weapon upgrade?
18 each
queen summit
F, and what is the drop rate from fates?
autumn heron
less than 5%
odd yoke
Original arr relic style
autumn heron
people are doing 50 fates
odd yoke
Why I said style
autumn heron
not getting 1
sterile moat
not getting 1
a lot of people spent a whole day farming fates for 0 atmas when it was released
autumn heron
ye
queen summit
well am out, i thought 1st step was going to be the worst but i was totally wrong
sterile moat
and they were dying in 15s
dreamy bane
gathering mobs in zone 1 or 2 and clear them
autumn heron
nothing will ever be as bad as ARR relics
dreamy bane
idk SE thinking, why did they made CTE very low drop rate with it like 3-4 CTE per hour
when CT is 100% drop rate
sterile moat
2nd step of HW relic was awful
SB was the first time we had easymode relics
i guess people got used to that
naive axle
The whiplash is the problem
lunar hound
idk SE thinking, why did they made CTE very low drop rate with it like 3-4 CTE p...
they may want to encourage more people to queue for CT raids given that they are now de facto MSQ
naive axle
It was too grindy in the past and arguably too easy in SB
But to suddenly go from too easy to grindy bullshit again is glaringly obnoxious
odd yoke
As i said earlier this morning, people were babied/conditioned with the early steps
maiden lodge
you need the gold coins to buy the gear in the first place, the augments is sepa...
Right but you get, like, 5 a week
sterile moat
3
sterile moat
yea 3 gold coins per week from the repeatable quest
maiden lodge
But to suddenly go from too easy to grindy bullshit again is glaringly obnoxious
They said they would.
Yoshi P said, multiple times he would.
wet crown
did they buff the previous step?
ripe flint
Honestly one thing I think they should definitely change is removing the Mettle loss on the raids, the fact you don't gain any means you can lose substantial progress because of randoms or new people not knowing mechanics, and that's just...Unfortunate.
wet crown
mettle is useless at one point, so no harm there
ripe flint
Yeah...If you're capped.
wet crown
ripe flint
I also think it's just pointless design.
maiden lodge
Honestly one thing I think they should definitely change is removing the Mettle ...
Mettle's literally a noncurrency.
ripe flint
I mean, the higher tier actions and a whole savage are gatekeeped behind getting capped on it.
torpid yoke
Unlike eureka u can't lose rank
ripe flint
So that's just not true.
maiden lodge
If it were a currency, sure, but it's literally a currency you only spend on ranks (which you can ignore if you're only doing the story once you're rank 10) and deaths.
maiden lodge
I mean, the higher tier actions and a whole savage are gatekeeped behind getting...
Do you really care about this?
ripe flint
That's not the point, losing it at all doesn't serve a purpose.
maiden lodge
That's not the point, losing it at all doesn't serve a purpose.
If losing it does nothing, then why nerf loss?
maiden lodge
I'm saying there's no reason you *should* lose it.
And there's less reason to mourn its loss.
Either you lose it and it means nothing, in which case, there's no problem
Or you lose it, and there's a problem, which means it means something.
You can't have both be true.
ripe flint
It is a problem, that's literally what I said.
maiden lodge
Then it means something.
ripe flint
It's a pointless mechanic that only serves to punish players.
torpid yoke
Koli did you do eureka?
maiden lodge
It's a pointless mechanic that only serves to punish players.
Which clause do you believe?
ripe flint
And given that you can lose it in raids where your fate is in the hands of the randoms you get paired with.
ripe flint
No they're not.
maiden lodge
Sure they are.
If they punish you--then there's your point
But if they don't punish you, then you're right it's pointless.
Which is it?
ripe flint
Punish you for what though? Daring to do content on release?
maiden lodge
Here's a hot take.
torpid yoke
Are u rank 15 kolibri?
maiden lodge
It costs you more to die in any other content than in Bozja because repair bills actually take away something you use
kindred meteor
punish you for standing in the bad or pulling more then you should
brisk quail
Are you in the tribe of...
It hurts me because I'm not max rank.
Or
It's pointless because I'm max rank.
ripe flint
No I'm not, I saw little reason to stick around in Bozja after getting everything in two days, so now I feel punished for not wasting away in a place I'm gaining nothing.
maiden lodge
So... you don't care about being max rank
ripe flint
Also I don't mind it in the field itself.
maiden lodge
Which means you're not punished.
maiden lodge
So you care about being max rank, but.... not enough to actually... become it?
brisk quail
So if you don't care about being max rank. There's no punishment.
If you're worried about hitting max rank, then it's a punishment
torpid yoke
Let's give kolibri a second to explain
brisk quail
Tldr: Kolibri doesn't like losing mettle because he/she wants to hit max rank for content.
ripe flint
Now? There's a reason to get to max rank, but unfortunately, it's an overly grindy mess and if I dare to do Castrum or DR in that time, I could lose substantial progress.
maiden lodge
It's not actually hard to hit 15 though
ripe flint
It takes time.
maiden lodge
Then take the time.
ripe flint
Okay.
viscid monolith
How much mettle do you have
rough cairn
It doesn't take that long iirc
ripe flint
But I shouldn't be just not allowed to do the raids for fear of losing any progress I make in a day.
torpid yoke
It doesn't
ripe flint
That's bullshit.
brisk quail
That's the risk YOU take
maiden lodge
But don't not take the time, say 'I'd like to do this' then complain that you lose progress when you die, then say 'it's pointless' when the point is spanking you
ripe flint
It shouldn't be a risk at all.
torpid yoke
Are u rank 10
viscid monolith
You gain way more than you lose
ripe flint
I'm rank 13.
brisk quail
Dying ANYWHERE in Bozja is a risk
ripe flint
Okay but you lose substantially more in a party wipe in DR than you would dying out on the field.
rough cairn
I'm max rank and i didnt even lose like a tenth of my mettle for dying many times when DR came out
viscid monolith
The point is for it to be punishing I don't think anyone would dispute that
ripe flint
Just because something was worse doesn't make this better.
That is something people really need to learn.
viscid monolith
They've actually toned down the punishment
steep plover
For anyone that might know about relic grind steps: is POTD a guaranteed memory?
maiden lodge
The solution to the problem is simple though
ripe flint
The punishment for failure should be wiping and wasting time, not wasting time on TOP of that by making you have to grind more Mettle.
brisk quail
You don't have to grind more mettle
maiden lodge
If you can access savage, you risk nothing. If you can't, and your goal is to qualify for savage do that
ripe flint
You're just ignoring what I'm saying, so frankly I'm done.
brisk quail
It'd save you time that you say is being STOLEN from you by party wipes
maiden lodge
I'm not ignoring it.
brisk quail
viscid monolith
Dude just get to max rank now
maiden lodge
I'm saying you're claiming the cost is higher than it actually is
I'm saying the gil loss to repair bills is worse, factually.
rough cairn
I died maybe 8 times in DR on launch and barely lost any at max rank
viscid monolith
Get to max rank, clear DR normal, then play for like 30 minutes and get back to 700k mettle
rough cairn
Def worth getting to max
elfin plover
which HW and SB alliance raids are considered fastest?
radiant pollen
void ark rabanastre
steep plover
Void Ark is about 15-20 mins, Rabanastre is about 20-15 mins
viscid monolith
The first raid in each series is always the fastest
elfin plover
ok ty
maiden lodge
The first raid in each series is always the fastest
Syrcus Tower has less running around though, and less opportunity for 'fn pads alliance C'
elfin plover
yeah i think ST is the exception to the rule
torpid yoke
Can you do all blu syrcus and get the memory?
odd yoke
Yes
rough cairn
Ya
odd yoke
Just be synced
torpid yoke
That's easy then
steep plover
yep you can grind the same raid just hard queue into it, the queues aren't long atm
hallow pollen
Which one of the third quest is the 100% guaranteed one? Delubrum or Potd?
torpid yoke
Blur brokr
steep plover
anyone know if the potd drops are guaranteed btw?
torpid yoke
I'm guessing it would
brisk quail
Imagine if Bozja had deleveling.
Died too much in content and your rank dropped from 13 to 12?
We disabled your deep essence
rough cairn
I mean you could test a run of potd 51-60
Those don't take that long
I hope it's guaranteed tho
steep plover
Just wondered if anyone knew offhand, not online atm
torpid yoke
Imagine if Bozja had deleveling.
Died too much in content and your rank dropped...
Not eureka things QuQ
rough cairn
Fair
dim sigil
Deleveling needs to stay in the past
rough cairn
Wdym you didn't like revisiting sprite island
maiden lodge
Penalties for failure in Eureka: You might eventually have to spend time regrinding sprites like a jerk
Penalties for failure in Bozja:
Hell I'm not even sure your gear degrades
And even if it did it doesn't matter
wintry vault
Hell I'm not even sure your gear degrades
it does not. your gear will never degrade
maiden lodge
it does not. your gear will never degrade
Super soft birthday.
dim sigil
I think losing it is dumb but it's also such a non-issue
maiden lodge
I think losing it is dumb but it's also such a non-issue
Yeah, it only becomes a problem when people--who otherwise don't care about mettle--suddenly care about it because they 'lost' it.
wintry vault
if you want an instance no one will prog lol
wintry vault
I don't actually know what use mettle has other than to unlock Savage
maiden lodge
You need a minimum amount to do the weekly.
odd yoke
Apparently there's a minimum for the weekly
wintry vault
yeah it's like 78k
wintry vault
yeah
maiden lodge
Said minimum amount, btw, is about 30k less mettle than the actual amount you need to access DR.
maiden lodge
You have to die a LOT to have enough mettle to be rank 10, AND drop below the weekly.
wintry vault
losing mettle is incredibly punishing if you die, res to start or anything in normal pre 15
if you're at like 100k at rank 10, multiple deaths in normal with put you down super low
and at a lower level it's harder to get up
maiden lodge
if you're at like 100k at rank 10, multiple deaths in normal with put you down s...
ehhhhhh
you have to die a LOT to lose 30k
I mean, a LOT.
maiden lodge
At rank 10?
wintry vault
no
maiden lodge
At rank 15?
wintry vault
ye
maiden lodge
So you lost nothing then
wintry vault
pretty much
maiden lodge
At rank 10 you won't lose 30k
wintry vault
how much do you lose
maiden lodge
or 40k--you'd lose at most 10k for dying a LOT>
wintry vault
what about a wipe
maiden lodge
Same.
wintry vault
eh? death is like 4k, wipe is like 15
wintry vault
yeah so presumably they'd scale similarly
maiden lodge
Yeah, so... NOT a lot.
sterile moat
at 15 dying is 2.9k
wintry vault
ty
sterile moat
you also get 6.5k from north skirmishes
wintry vault
I don't like this mettle bs
torpid yoke
It's better than Eureka levels
maiden lodge
I dunno, mettle is functionally toothless a mechanic but makes so much salt
wintry vault
fair
maiden lodge
So, the troll in me loves it
wintry vault
yeah
torpid yoke
At least if I die I can't derank
wintry vault
it's like, you only ever need 100k
so why get 700
what's the point of it
I don't get it
maiden lodge
The designer in me though would argue 'well, they need to better communicate that it's toothless'
torpid yoke
Savage
primal basalt
what's the point of it
what's the point of running savage
orchid plinth
Is it hard and grindy to get the next relic quests?
wintry vault
it has no function in Savage??
maiden lodge
so why get 700
700k+ a bit is just rank 15 so they are basically setting rank 15 + giving enough of a shit not to piss it away as a gate to savage.
wintry vault
pop a pure essence and watch it go nutty
maiden lodge
Is it hard and grindy to get the next relic quests?
Bozja's easy sauce to get out, and CLL is fun. Once that's under your belt... yeah it's a grind
wintry vault
:o
rain onyx
Is there a stronger DPS essence for healers?
wintry vault
yes
autumn heron
I NEED 11 more runs of Mhach
wintry vault
you buy them with clusters
autumn heron
wintry vault
all pure essences are dps boost
rain onyx
I mean, are any stronger than +120% Damage up
wintry vault
deep profane is 120%?
odd yoke
Yea
wintry vault
huh
torpid yoke
I NEED 11 more runs of Mhach
Gather some blu mages to get it faster :)
odd yoke
I did a meme run with friends with Irrelegar warrior and it was funnnn
wintry vault
lol
maiden lodge
And got the Gabriel
nice
rough kestrel
Yeah I got a gold coin in Delubrum
rough kestrel
@sterile moat 1hr? I'd call that pretty short
sterile moat
my runs so far, without wipes are 45-50mins
rough kestrel
Some runs I've seen went a full 120 minutes
sterile moat
1hr without wipes is pretty slow
sterile moat
also neat, can use seraph strike outside of DR
lilac crest
what is seraph strike
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lilac crest
also the amount of people that dont use lost banish on that one boss 😔
10% more damage
and it lasts 60s
brisk quail
If cleric stance is so good. Why hasn't there been a cleric stance 2?
SQEX: hold my tomestones
shell merlin
wait
I can
@sterile moat fuck coins
trade for lockboxes
hell yah
just got the
first gab mount
woot
sterile moat
trade for lockboxes
i already have the mount and no use for gil so rather ease the grind pain
shell merlin
ye I just got the mount but ima sell
i dont like it
its like 750k on market tho yikes
sterile moat
don't even know how much it goes for
shell merlin
ye it dropped
sterile moat
yea duels give 99 boxes iirc
sterile moat
i was literally the only person qualified for the sartavoir duel and just refused it
odd yoke
Bruh
brisk quail
i was literally the only person qualified for the sartavoir duel and just refuse...
"no thanks. I much rather not be publicly executed. Thanks for the offer"
sterile moat
kind of
but more on the i dunno which skills are needed for this one
plus taking a break off DR by casually doing skirmishes
rough cairn
99 boxes of prisms, you're basically the heart of the party!
strange wing
Hm, can't decide between the Dork Knight and Gunborker relic.
"Can't you just do both-" No
sterile moat
if you pick up the quests and leave them there you'll eventually finish them
viscid monolith
@sterile moat Bruh
They put mimics in XIV and apparently they're just straight up better than Blue Mage in every way
brisk quail
I love how I totally missed his real name
It was so obvious and so dumb at the dame time
gaunt star
Hm, can't decide between the Dork Knight and Gunborker relic.
DRK new step looks bad
Step before looks gr8
GNB 2nd to last and last step both look great
¯_(ツ)_/¯
viscid monolith
Am I missing something? Do I just stand around while Gogo is using Mimic?
pine epoch
Yes
Gogo the mime when hes doing mimic
Do nothing
The concept is from FFV
In his FFV boss fight to beat him do nothing
When mimic buff is gone you attack
Your playing a game of green light red light
viscid monolith
Interesting concept but pretty boring for a fight mechanic
pine epoch
I wont say more of what happens unless provoked
severe brook
yeah it's not the whole fight
odd yoke
Its basically just a reflect mechanic
pine epoch
I just realized 5.55 Stq CLL equivalent will be that airship
And the theme song to the airship is probably going to be the imperial theme from ff12
Specifically the draklor laboratory loop
worn forge
Does Basic Instinct not have a 100% droprate?
just got it and it took nine kills to get 
silk cape
Who wants to make a bet about Mikoto's twin sister showing up in the next chapter of Save the Queen
pulsar current
that's probably who we saw fall tbh
odd yoke
Does Basic Instinct not have a 100% droprate?
Its a overworld mob so no
viscid monolith
Ya overworld mobs have a lower drop rate
worn forge
oh gotcha, thanks!
drowsy belfry
I spend an hour trying to get the achievo for 31
vocal sorrel
i see, thank you
drowsy belfry
I suck so much
tried to final sting at 20% and he got down to 7%
never got that close again
dim sigil
I do wish it was clear on what the potd requirements are
brisk quail
Man. The new glowy pld relic
Idk... it's not... as amazing as I expected
The base model is kinda... ehhh
dim sigil
Katana tho
brisk quail
And jeez the sword is long
maiden lodge
Does Basic Instinct not have a 100% droprate?
Overworld mobs don't have 100% drops no
dim sigil
I can get my tome weapon next week but i think ill get like dnc and save my main for relic just so i can actually use it
brisk quail
Also... can i say
dim sigil
Sure go ahead
maiden lodge
They did an AMAZING job with the level 70 set of blue spells
'oh people said BLU wasn't OP eh? Well'
royal scarab
whats the fastest HW 24man?
maiden lodge
Devour's like so good now
brisk quail
And there's actually intresting spells
Like devour is now a TANK stance like buff
Slap devour on CD for the hp up buff AND a heal
maiden lodge
Tank cooldowns, which they asked for
maiden lodge
Strotram is decent for healers
brisk quail
And Cold Fog
maiden lodge
Yeah
maiden lodge
And DPS.... DPS got massive gains
brisk quail
Instacast 400 potency
vagrant sinew
where do ppl go to lvl their blu to 70 now? a friend of mine said the best spot is weirdly enough, any area with lvl 70 shb mobs.
versed hill
Oof proggers still stuck at katy perry boss
severe brook
you know, it's going to be interesting if Gabranth announces that he wants his new nation to be named Archadia for whatever reason
though he's just as likely to want to keep it as Bozja.
maiden lodge
where do ppl go to lvl their blu to 70 now? a friend of mine said the best spot ...
Go kill literally any mob you can kill
brisk quail
And having fucking Nightbloom take up the same debuff slot as the other bleed dots ia big brain
versed hill
where do ppl go to lvl their blu to 70 now? a friend of mine said the best spot ...
Lakeland? Thats weird
brisk quail
Like
vagrant sinew
not just lakeland, but ahm araeng too
versed hill
You can't one shot lakeland mobs as 80 still
maiden lodge
I did mine in about two hours just dooming equal level mobs and I don't think that' even optimal
vagrant sinew
you can kill them fast enough anyway
brisk quail
Like I'd say the worst spell of this set is the poop mud wave.
And that's saying something
There's so many good spells
versed hill
tbf I guess you can mighty guard
maiden lodge
Like I'd say the worst spell of this set is the ~~poop~~ mud wave.
It's a ranged earth spell, so... it's meh, but it's for those who aren't caught up on Carny
maiden lodge
tbf I guess you can mighty guard
Or go healer and use your op healing kit and self-sustain like a champ with your bo
maiden lodge
Mighty Guard is like... you only do that for doom-grinding
maiden lodge
This was an incredible set of spells
Matra Magic feels like a REWARD.
brisk quail
I need to actually sit down and think about what to take
Like
It's no longer having like 10 good spells and 60 trash spells
maiden lodge
No.
maiden lodge
They deliberately said they didn't want to make gear needed if you're decent in it, and that they're saving the 'needful' gear for next one
sterile moat
BLU healer spells also comes to show SE still didn't learn anything
maiden lodge
As a 'Well you couldn't do it normally, so here, instead of nerfing it, have gear'
sterile moat
the new heal stuff is pretty much medica I and II with some weird stats
maiden lodge
BLU healer spells also comes to show SE still didn't learn anything
Strotram!?
brisk quail
And...
Having Angel snack/dragonforce/mantra magic is HUGEE
viscid monolith
We're going back into Coil today with new BLU shit
sterile moat
yea strotram is a 300 potency heal
brisk quail
I'm excited to take on content as blue
viscid monolith
Too bad Dragon Force still has a cast time
viscid monolith
!action Dragonforce
brisk quail
I couldn't imagine doing alex savage
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maiden lodge
yea strotram is a 300 potency heal
300 potency is massive on Blu
sterile moat
exuviation is already 300 potency under heal
maiden lodge
That's not 300 WHM potency
sterile moat
we did not need strotram at all
brisk quail
Uhh
viscid monolith
We did need Strotam
sterile moat
if only it was the 140 dmg potency + heal
viscid monolith
Exuviation is fucking trash
brisk quail
!action strotam