retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[rustic heath]

They wont

New relic will be out

Bozja will become eureka

[unique verge]

Yeah but people do old relics all the time for appearance

[rustic heath]

Me in eureka rn for DRK weapon

[unique verge]

and as an aside to that

while the Bozja story isnt.....terribly well written

Its highly relevant unlike Eureka

and it would be a shame for it to just get dumpstered

[rustic heath]

At least it ain't boring. I'm falling asleep reading eureka story

Shits so boring

[unique verge]

better story than Stormblood

[rustic heath]

LMAO

Idk if I'd go THAT far

[rough cairn]

that isnt hard tbf

even if it was lol

[rustic heath]

Hard for what

[rough cairn]

to be better than sb story

[rustic heath]

Oh lmaoo

Speaking of which

Do the DR boss themes have a orchestrion roll yet

I really want them

[gaunt star]

Have you done DR yet Estelle

[unique verge]

idk but i need the music from Queen

that shit was goood

[rustic heath]

I did Dill

[rough cairn]

facts

[gaunt star]

How was it

[rough cairn]

I need the queen song

[rustic heath]

Not hard

Tbh

[gaunt star]

Was it fun though

[rustic heath]

Yes

[unique verge]

DR is super fun

[gaunt star]

That’s good

[rustic heath]

Its long tho

[rough cairn]

it was very fun

[unique verge]

and "not hard" is.....a matter of perspective

[rustic heath]

You need to set aside time for it

[gaunt star]

I spent all day helping a friend get to rank 10 yesterday

So didn’t get a chance to do it yet

[unique verge]

its harder than most any 24 man except for maybe Orbonne

which isnt a high bar

but its also not a "free win"

[rustic heath]

Orbonne is only hard because people still suck at TG

[unique verge]

wipes are possible

[gaunt star]

I see I see

Has savage been cleared yet

[unique verge]

Nope

Savage is brutal

[rustic heath]

Keep in mind there's doom mech in DR

Just don't get hit twice

[unique verge]

Yeah. DR is like......extremely unforgiving of bad players

that's the big thing

bads cant just skate through and pray the healers can keep them up

fuck up twice, you just die

[kindred meteor]

Didn't a JP group clear Savage?

[rustic heath]

Not to my knowledge

[unique verge]

Did they? I was only aware of NA progress

[gaunt star]

Where’s NA at

[kindred meteor]

Sleeping

[unique verge]

NA is at 3rd right?

[open verge]

I feel like that’s how it should be in all content

[rustic heath]

The stupid queens knights?

Or the alligator

[unique verge]

idk

[kindred meteor]

Ye tho people SUCK at Cidolfus, still

[unique verge]

tbh i cant remember the order yet

[rustic heath]

Its like

[unique verge]

the fucking 1v1's is so funny to me

i cant believe SE did that

its epic

[rustic heath]

1. Ravana like bitch
2. Alligator
3. Queens knights
4. ghost thingy
5. Fire and ice
6. Uhhh spoilers I guess

[gaunt star]

Geez there’s that many bosses

[rustic heath]

Idk how to describe the first boss

I just

Know

He look like Ravana

[unique verge]

First boss is Ravana mashed up with the 2nd boss from Xelphatol

[rustic heath]

2nd boss is a damn joke

On my run that thing died so quickly

[unique verge]

which?

Oh

[rustic heath]

Sorry I'm laying down and typing

[unique verge]

Yeah the alligator really only has two gimmicks. you see them once and you instantly never fail them

Same with ghost tbh. he can kill you the first time you see the mechanic, and then thats it.

[rustic heath]

I made dumb mistakes at the ghost but I get it

I remember when people thought that thing was an ascian lol

[unique verge]

on normal the 3rd/5th/6th boss are really the only ones that i would say have some staying power in terms of potential to wipe

[rustic heath]

Mhm yep

[unique verge]

particularly 5th/6th because its personal responsiblity

cant follow the crowd

[rustic heath]

Nopeeee

Except maybe the bombs in the last boss

[rough cairn]

I did it when it came out and it took the instance like 2 hrs

Was very fun

[random anvil]

Dubya's been popping all night

[unique verge]

Yeah same i did it right after maint blind and it was super fun

Always good to try and get in first thing before there are guides

[rough cairn]

Ya

[unique verge]

so that the expectation of knowing doesnt exist yet

[rustic heath]

I did it in the afternoon because my bf wanted to do it with me so I waited for him

[rough cairn]

Was my first time doing so for anything 24 man related

[rustic heath]

I gotta clear it on Primal tho

Only did it on Crystal

[prisma vine]

so like, the savage version, rank 15 and same bosses, but savage?

[unique verge]

I mean.....kind of

Savage is super hard

and there's extra shit

like 1v1's in-between bosses that you have to beat to advance

[prisma vine]

extra shit? like im asking if there's more bosses/minibosses. sounds like yes?

[unique verge]

Yes

[prisma vine]

and for gear. it all syncs in there, how does one optimize other than having good actions/essences?

[rustic heath]

Savage is ALWAYS gonna have extra mechanics. That's how it goes all the time

[unique verge]

Have good actions/essences. And augments if thats actually good for your job.

Haste is dogshit for most jobs but for a few.....

[prisma vine]

no i know it has extra MECHANICS. i was asking if there's more BOSSES or minibosses or trash packs etc

[rustic heath]

No

[unique verge]

Yes

[rustic heath]

Not extra bosses

Wait

There's more bosses?

[unique verge]

There are non-boss encounters in savage that dont exist in normal

[rustic heath]

Oh

[unique verge]

like trash and 1v1's and all sorts of shit

[rustic heath]

Just one?

Hmmmm

Alright nvrm

But aren't the bosses the same?

[unique verge]

I mean, they're the same models and names?

[prisma vine]

yes that was what i was askin cuz i had seen ppl say a BUNCH is added but all i knew for sure was the usual "upped to savage difficulty so more mechs, everything hits harder"

[rustic heath]

Huh I didn't know that

[unique verge]

Yeah a bunch is added

[prisma vine]

what do you mean by 1v1s? like legitimately one person vs a boss?

[unique verge]

Yes

[prisma vine]

or just the 1v1 ppl, but a boss

oh

[unique verge]

literally there is a 1v1 you have to beat to advance inbetween the 1st and 2nd boss

[prisma vine]

who are they?

[unique verge]

not everyone has to do it, just one person

[prisma vine]

like who are the fights

[unique verge]

idk

[prisma vine]

rip ok

[unique verge]

someone said it was like AV from BA

[prisma vine]

i won't be able to go for a while and never did BA so

i only did normal mode DR so far

[rustic heath]

Im not attempting savage until I have normal mechs all down

I still need to brush up on my mistakes in normal

[prisma vine]

ye same

[unique verge]

At this stage given what we know

[rustic heath]

Granted I did do it blind

[unique verge]

its not worth attempting savage until its cleared

[prisma vine]

i lost a solid 5k or so mettle going blind

wait its not been cleared?

at all?

[unique verge]

NA hasnt cleared it for certain. Someone thought JP might have but i havent seen a source on that.

[spice furnace]

What ilvl are the new relics?

[unique verge]

510/515

two steps

[spice furnace]

Ty

[prisma vine]

holy crap that's wild

ye i have to hit 15 still n start a new job tomorrow so it'll be a while. just scoping out lol

[wicked oak]

where do you get the augment materials for the Law Order gear? Runner's Plating (Body Gear)

[unreal wadi]

Man, ||Gogo|| is straight up a FF6 reference

[proper zealot]

What are the mechanics for Gogo's Meteor

[unreal wadi]

correct outfit & all

[rough cairn]

Wish they remixed that theme tho

Is p cool nonetheless

[proper zealot]

Fine, people just Diamondback it

I hate video guides

[rough cairn]

Yeah you diamondback last one

And heal / dps between

Got the achievement earlier and it wasn't too bad, I just played reckless af for a bit

[proper zealot]

I've died to every existing mechanic for Gogo that isn't just damage now

[faint dagger]

are there level 70 blu accessories?

[proper zealot]

Yes

[faint dagger]

good

[unreal wadi]

yes

[tidal turret]

So is it any group of 10 floors for the relic step? For Palace of the dead

[onyx sundial]

CLL really needs a buff to its rewards

I think it is pretty efficient but it still is a huge time investment for so little

[wind orbit]

with a possibility of failure as well

[languid breach]

I've just done the start of the new Bozja quests, up to unlocking DR. The only thing I can think about is "why on Hydaelin did Mikoto, a complete noncombatant, come to an active battlefield??? Multiple times???" Seriously, she's a huge liability that constantly needs to be protected. Just stay in camp love.

[tidal turret]

LeOn!

[rough cairn]

I feel like CLL giving like 3-5 of the memories for the first new relic step would be a cool

[tidal turret]

yeah only getting 1 per run kiiiiinda sucks

[proper zealot]

I don't have the god damn mana to Diamondback

[rough cairn]

Go in on healer mimicry and use pom cure

I did it as dps mimic but it was a little tight on mana

[unique verge]

Alternately - you're making sure to use magic hammer on CD as well as the obvious Lucid?

[proper zealot]

I wasn't healing out of MP

[proper zealot]

Yes

Lucid Dreaming restores less MP than I use during its time and Magic Hammer is only 600 MP

[random anvil]

Normal Derigible isn't that bad tbh

[soft gyro]

first time in that dungeon was hell

lost so much mettle

second run went alot smoother

for some reason, the second party i joined for that raid, it was mostly filled with people who already cleared it, except when i first queued, most of them were new.

[random anvil]

same. second clear almost took half the time of my first

[languid breach]

Do rezzes in CLL and DR count towards Bozja rezzes for the purpose of the achievement?

[wind orbit]

yeah i believe so

think i remember seeing someone get the achievement in DR

[faint dagger]

Anyone got a recommended place for blu leveling 60-70?

[unreal wadi]

lochs

bring a friend if you can, otherwise you may have to start from fringes

[faint dagger]

yep, planning to do as I did azys lla 1-60

any specific area of lochs?

[gaunt star]

so can you not farm Haunting memories of the dying, in bozjan?

[proper zealot]

Exuviation cleansing the Frostbite before the Heavy

Damn it

[unreal wadi]

man

ultravibration is broken

freeze mobs

then use ultravibration to instakill them all

[faint dagger]

what's ultravib from again, officially? i know some hunt in peaks has it

[unreal wadi]

you mean where do you learn it from?

[unique verge]

the derpy looking dragonflies near ala ghanna right?

[unreal wadi]

Kongamato

[unique verge]

Yeah those thing

derpy ass dragonflies

[unreal wadi]

sanity beam is cool

summon beam from the heavens

[proper zealot]

Okay

Exuviation needs to stop cleansing Frostbite before Heavy

Otherwise this is a guaranteed loss

[unreal wadi]

btw

has anyone tested using

malediction of water in public

wait no its party only

[proper zealot]

I am in pain

[unreal wadi]

[proper zealot]

I've being fighting Gogo for 2 hours

[unreal wadi]

if JP players can clear it

you can too

Gogo

[final isle]

you have plenty of time to remove both debuffs before thunder

so even if it hits the dot you should be fine

[proper zealot]

It's not the thunder

[open verge]

Does dr give times

[proper zealot]

It's the tornado that's on top of me before the thunder

[open verge]

Tomes

[final isle]

the charybdis? they spawn at set spots

2 first spawn, then you get debuffed, then the last 2 spawn in the other cardinal spots

[rough cairn]

North and south iirc

[final isle]

just stand inbetween where they'll be

[proper zealot]

So, cleanse before going anywhere

[final isle]

no go to the right spot so they don't spawn on you

alternatively stay middle iirc it's safe

[unreal wadi]

is Chelonian gate a better diamondback

[final isle]

20% vs 90%

[unreal wadi]

true

[final isle]

but yeah if you're just eating a small tank busters or a raid wide

[proper zealot]

I've managed to solve my MP issue by not attacking most of the time

[final isle]

you can chelonian and then get free dmg

if you use healer mimic you can bring pom cure instead of white wind

and that basically makes you have infinite mp

[proper zealot]

Except that I'd have to suffer longer

Because less damage

[final isle]

not that much

but if you're struggling with mana it'd be worth it, unless you're going for the achievement

[proper zealot]

I am no longer struggling with MP

[final isle]

even with healing mimick you can make the time for the achievement though with the 70 skills

[proper zealot]

By doing a staring contest most of the time

[eager prairie]

So is anyone else getting lag spikes in Bozja and in the new raid since the patch drop?

I actually dont understand why its lagging in the raid as its not even in Bozja itself, is it?

I don't get this kind of lag in regular Alliance raids

[ripe flint]

I noticed some pretty bad latency issues in both, yeah.

[eager prairie]

Like Bozja itself I can sort of believe but why is the raid itself lagging?

[proper zealot]

I don't have lag spikes lately

[wind orbit]

havent noticed any latency issues

[proper zealot]

I just straight up disconnect

[random anvil]

20 minute Syrcus Tower.
dudes can really press their buttons when they want to i guess

[eager prairie]

regardless I hop the lag dies down in the next patch or hotfix IE soon

because I really like the new raid and its kinda sucking when I cant do mechanics due to lag spiking

[unreal wadi]

Freestyling gamers

[soft gyro]

join a static to farm crystal towers

[proper zealot]

That hug the Lalafells shared in the BLU Quest Cutscene

Arms clipping through bodies

[acoustic sail]

Do you have to do Bozjan for the relic now?

[eager prairie]

think you need to complete the new raid on normal once to get the new relic quest

as for grinding the relic out you dont

[acoustic sail]

Damn I never did bozjan will that take a long time?

[eager prairie]

It'll take effort yet

yes*

in order to access the new raid you're going to have to complete Castrum which was the prior raid in Bozja but that particular rate is time/locked behind FATE grinding

[acoustic sail]

That sounds great.

[raven shadow]

Anyone know in order to get into savage prog for DR if you need to maintain 700k mettle to do it or is it just 700k to unlock it and you can do it anytime you want?

[eager prairie]

you need 700K to unlock it but afterwards you can lose as much mettle as you want haha

[raven shadow]

Ah perfect!

Thank you!

[eager prairie]

Anyone know what the queen'ts knight/soldier/gunner pieces are for?

[terse mortar]

presume thats boss

[eager prairie]

boss?

[terse mortar]

yeah boss is called knight / soldier / gunner

in delubrum

[eager prairie]

yeah im talking about the items tho

and nvm I discovered what they are, they're for household stuff XD

[terse mortar]

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Queen's_Gunner_Piece

yeah furniture

[rocky dove]

how will the cerberus mount be acquired?

[wind orbit]

the new 48 man savage

its an achievement mount for clearing

[rocky dove]

i see

thanks

[broken coral]

so, with the new relic you have to rank in bozja, will it therefore be more efficient to lvl tank class in bozja fates or do dungeons with insta queue popping?

I'm thinking bozja as you get 500k from lvl 71 and mettle, but dungeons give a shitton of xp too

[icy kite]

what floors of potd are required for the last step of the relic?

[vagrant sinew]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

not much info is known

some ppl say floor 100, someone here said 51-60 works fine

which makes me assume floor 100 is guaranteed, and 51-60 is random

[rocky dove]

anyone got a link with the steps?

those we know at least

[odd yoke]

[rocky dove]

sorry

thanks

[versed hill]

Honestly

Seeing how the new steps has two options, one low probability, one confirmed.

I have a feeling PotD is the former

And DR being the latter

[vagrant sinew]

wouldn't be surprised

DR takes ages

[versed hill]

it only takes ages

[vagrant sinew]

because ppl don't use essences

[versed hill]

Because people not using lost actions and essences

Yea

I had an organized discord run just an hour ago

Was pretty quick

[rain onyx]

I wish I could meme in there on WHM and bring deep profane + Font of Magic + The no healing Banner

[versed hill]

Lmao

[rain onyx]

I just want to do ultra maximum DPS

[versed hill]

Imagine people "oh god finally a whm"

Then turns out you were playing dps whm

[rain onyx]

I want to do tank WHM

Because WHM/BLM can do one-handed + shield at no cost to damage

I wonder if the shield actually blocks

I think later today I’ll go Defense banner + Provoke + the Tank Essence as WHM

[onyx sundial]

its doable to do dr pretty easily with no healers

[wind orbit]

just play WAR with bloodsucker

independent tank who need no heals

[vagrant sinew]

until you get hit twice

[wind orbit]

just dont get hit

[versed hill]

I had an RDM go Savior + Cure 3 earlier lmao

[wary hawk]

So anybody hear have a new relic completed up to this step yet? Trying to get an idea for total length of one

[versed hill]

It was pretty funny

I don't think anyone's up to the Potd step yet

I've been checking jp sites as well, still no concrete info

Some say low droprate on potd

[gaunt star]

btw how low is the memory drop rate in ce for the next step of relic quest?

[versed hill]

Low

I'm levelling DRG in Bozja rn with the quest active

Haven't seen a single drop

[onyx sundial]

i was just a ninja with cure iv

it kept the party alive after every raid wide

[topaz river]

The first step took about 3-4ish hours of gameplay for me

Not counting breaks

[tropic frigate]

damn i had a gold coin drop at the final chest on normal

[versed hill]

Damn

Couldve been new hair

[topaz river]

I don’t think anyone has the last step yet unless they literally didn’t sleep lol

[gaunt star]

hmm ok.because i was considering instance hopping and just doing ce if one was there and hooping to another after

[versed hill]

I wanna spam DR for drops

But I dont wanna burn myself out yet

[autumn heron]

Just spam CT alliances

[versed hill]

In case the potd step has low droprate so DR is better

[autumn heron]

Its actually faster

[versed hill]

Syrcus tower in particular

[autumn heron]

Specifically Sycrus Tower

[gaunt star]

i cant suffer ct any longer though.alliance roulette has broken me already

[versed hill]

Only way to wipe there is to Amon

[autumn heron]

Its the only way

The drop rate from CEs is so low its not worth it

[topaz river]

The “fastest” method is alliance raids for the first 2 steps and probably potd for the last one

[autumn heron]

This is the ez step btw

[versed hill]

I'm planning to just maybe do fates while in alliance queue later on

[autumn heron]

Step 2 is 18 Mhach raids amd 18 Ivalice raids

[wary hawk]

If the stats are mandatory it will highlight how Eureka did something right lol

[autumn heron]

[topaz river]

I started step 2 last night and gave up for the day after a thunder god wipe

[autumn heron]

Dont do Orbornne

People still wipe to that shit

[wind orbit]

[versed hill]

Thunder god is so fun

[autumn heron]

Do Rabnaster and Clocktower

[versed hill]

But people are too dumb

Rabnastre is better

[gaunt star]

unfortunaly echo cant help people stand on markers

[topaz river]

They’re all around the same length but people just suck at orbonne

[versed hill]

Nah

[gaunt star]

ive seen hashmal clear house still these days

[versed hill]

altima takes forever

Because of the transitions

[autumn heron]

Step 3 is ironically the easiest

15 runs of PotD

[wary hawk]

They really made a drop rate worse than atmas lmao

[topaz river]

It’s the easiest assuming potd is a 100% drop

[autumn heron]

That shits quick

[versed hill]

Assuming potd is 100% drop

But with the trend this patch

One is likely a low droprate

[autumn heron]

True

[wispy bolt]

I have question about the Crystal Tower alternate grind method for loathsome memories. My journal doesnt say it has to be synced. Can I just cheese thru this 15 time with a BLU party?

[versed hill]

Other guaranteed

[wary hawk]

No

[topaz river]

It has to be synced

[autumn heron]

It has to be synched

I tried

[gaunt star]

blue can do synced

[versed hill]

Yea it can

[topaz river]

I mean you could pf with blue mages and do it synced but it’s probably slower with the waiting

[autumn heron]

But u need a full party of BLUs

[versed hill]

Its probably faster if you can get people

[odd yoke]

No you don't

[autumn heron]

Yea I just seitched to healer

[gaunt star]

non blues can join too

[topaz river]

Whereas with DF you can just queue as healer and instant queue

ST requires almost no healing so you just mash your 1 button

[versed hill]

Tbh I saw a BLU log ridorana yesterday

[gaunt star]

and with blu can final sting stuff

[versed hill]

It was almost full

[wary hawk]

Do devs actually see forum post suggestions? Or is another way for us to howl into the void?

Like on the official forum?

[topaz river]

It depends more if the Japanese community bitches about it I think. And they usually love a good grind

[gaunt star]

people on official forum think they use the feedback there

but they actually use platforms like reddit

probably as half the people on forum are jsut long time trolls.and have them are really bad at game

so their feedbacks isnt very accurate

[wary hawk]

I don't mind the 1st 2 steps (I really do), but the substat grind is pointless for ppl who just want glam

[wispy bolt]

Wish there was an alternate method to get the Garlean Synthetic Fabric too. Spent all day in bozja and saw zero drop

[gaunt star]

i mean some of the threads you see there

[wispy bolt]

drop rate is bogus

[wary hawk]

I need to find the quote about SE saying you should unsub if there's nothing for you to do

Feel like they're always trying to generate something regardless of the something's quality

[topaz river]

If they want the 5.55 relic for the glam they’ll have to do the substat grind

Either now or later

[wary hawk]

But it and of itself is pointless as it provides no benefit akin to how ppl doing Eureka weapons don't need to do BA

at least ARR and HW relic substat led to visual changes

And those grinds got easier several expacs later unlike this entire relic

[topaz river]

All they have to do is increase the drop rate for CEs and SB fates and it’s a fair relic imo

Railroading you into alliances if you want it in any reasonable amount of time is a bit ridiculous

[wary hawk]

IF they did that I would agree with you, but something tells me they won't until 2 expacs later if that

[topaz river]

Wasn’t eureka nerfed while it was still current content?

[wary hawk]

Iirc it was at the start of 5.0 it was, but I may be wrong

[dawn flax]

I think they nerfed 1-2 older zones so by pyros they nerfed anemos, hydatos they nerfed pagos? and i think first patch after Hydatos they nerfed pyros?

[autumn heron]

People think the XIV dev team cares about what the english playerbase thinks

They are a JP company, most of their money made is local. If the JP playerbase isnt angry then nothing will be done

And JP has the mentality of "Dont complain, take what you can get"

[wary hawk]

That's what I assumed. This'll hopefully be the closest I get to an abusive relationship ever

[topaz river]

By that logic it would mean Japanese players did complain about eureka and that caused SE to nerf it

[wary hawk]

Not gonna make any comments about JP player base outside of them being better at harder content than us on average

[topaz river]

So maybe they’ll complain about this too. Who knows

[wary hawk]

We need them to respect their time, which may be a big ask

[odd yoke]

Tbh the first steps have babied everyone

[wary hawk]

Partially, but the monotony of these steps isn't good design either

[odd yoke]

This 👏 is 👏 what 👏 relics 👏 are

[open verge]

Relics have always been unfunny

This step is simply the return to unfun grind

[odd yoke]

Literally like compare the steps to previous relics

[open verge]

😔

[topaz river]

Relics have always been grindy but they also usually were a grind of current content

[odd yoke]

And its like

Basically the same

[topaz river]

And not old content

[open verge]

No there weren’t

Relic grind a1 savage

So fun

[wary hawk]

Not gonna hear complaints, but Anima last step was good design

A victory lap even synced

[odd yoke]

You can grind current content for the relic

[topaz river]

With a lower than 100% drop rate which deincentivises doing it?

[odd yoke]

Welcome to relics baby

[open verge]

Deal with it

[topaz river]

Some people have calculated it to be as low as 2% on CEs and fates

[odd yoke]

Atma grinding anyone?

[wary hawk]

@topaz river 100% this. We out here doing years old content when we have banger trials and raids they could've pushed us into

[odd yoke]

Hello?

[topaz river]

You’re essentially forced to choose one path while the game pretends you have a choice

When you don’t if you value your time

[odd yoke]

Again. People have been literally fucking babied by the first steps

[wary hawk]

It's not the amount we're talking about. It's what content they're making us do that amount of

[odd yoke]

And you can do current content

[topaz river]

Theoretically you can

But nobody will

[odd yoke]

You can

End of

[topaz river]

Nobody is going to grind the relic in Bozja

There is literally no reason to

So why have the choice at all

[odd yoke]

You can grind multiple steps in there

At once

[wary hawk]

Can you do current content for 510 to 515 step?

[topaz river]

And that’s still significantly slower than doing it outside Bozja

And yeah the 2nd step doesn’t have any current content attached to it

[odd yoke]

Only the second step for the new one is exception

[topaz river]

It’s all previous expansion content

[wary hawk]

Hell you only had to do current content to start the relic and even that required old content

[topaz river]

There’s a difference between “technically you can do current content” and “you’re being incentivized to do current content”

[odd yoke]

Mob farming first 3 memories and bitters is actually faster in bojA

[topaz river]

Because while the former is true for this relic the latter is not

[odd yoke]

Like no joke

[wary hawk]

With a fully coordinated 24 man

[odd yoke]

Just fucking spread out dumb asses

[topaz river]

This isn’t true

[odd yoke]

It is

[topaz river]

Fates and antitower spam were faster

[wary hawk]

Vinyl is right, but they're skipping over a lot of details

[odd yoke]

I'm killing 70 mobs in rapid succession

Across the map

With the group

[wary hawk]

At least Eureka was up front about needing a group. Props for designing more monotonous content that it

[odd yoke]

People haven't fucking seen efficient farm parties cause they're fucking small brains

Being 8 or 4 people in a pack

[topaz river]

Regardless with this current step it doesn’t incentivize you to do current content. It incentivizes the old alliance raids because the drop rate is better. Just because you can grind a relic in one place over another doesn’t mean that’s the way most people are going to do it. People are going to do what they think is faster and that’s the content that gets the population boost

Not the slower option

[radiant pollen]

i mean if it was the other way around, you'd get people whining how bozja is dead content and that they're forced to do it

can't satisfy everyone

[topaz river]

I mean I’d rather that Bozja be forced than this mess. Because the way they’re doing it now is killing Bozja anyway

[odd yoke]

The incentive in bojza is you can do literally multiple steps at once while making money

[topaz river]

Which is a greater discussion about Bozja in general but I digress

The CE drop rate is extremely low. Possibly lower than older relics but we don’t know for sure yet

The time spent vs reward gained is not balanced out

[autumn heron]

Its true this relic is more in line with the previous ones

[odd yoke]

Welcome 👏 to 👏 relics 👏 you 👏 big 👏 babies

[autumn heron]

Anima amd Atma pre nerf were MONTHS of grinding

And dont get me started on those ARR relics

[topaz river]

Dismissing arguments against poor game design with “you’re being babies” is a bit yikes

Because even as a grind fest this relic is poorly designed

[odd yoke]

This is literally how relics are designed

And always have been

[unique verge]

tbh

[topaz river]

Because you’re railroaded into grinding otherwise irrelevant content

[wary hawk]

@topaz river it's a common tactic. Logical fallacies abound

[topaz river]

And not the new content SE wants people in

Like Bozja

[autumn heron]

This is actually the least grindy relic thus far

[unique verge]

This amount of complaining from people who are basically upset they didnt finish their patch content in less than 24 hours

is pretty "babies" tier

[topaz river]

As long as alliance raids are faster than Bozja, no one is grinding this step in Bozja

[autumn heron]

But I do agree the way Bozja has been handled is a big oof

[topaz river]

That’s how it is

[odd yoke]

Relics are DESIGNED TO TAKE TIME

[wary hawk]

Eureka was quicker than this after your first

[limber pilot]

fuck Bozja my party has been wiping in Cape Westwind for the past hour and I can't find a good guide anywhere, anyone have any tips?

[wary hawk]

@odd yoke so you would agree that this content is not enjoyable?

[odd yoke]

If you dont like grinds no

Relics are a time sink

As per design

[autumn heron]

when have relics every been enjoyable

[wary hawk]

Why are grinds good design?

[topaz river]

It’s not the grind I have a problem with as much as how the grind works

[odd yoke]

Its a time sink

[topaz river]

Because even as a grind this relic has severe problems imo

[odd yoke]

Some people like hrinds

[autumn heron]

Like you people dont know how bad the anima grind was

[topaz river]

In terms of what content it directs you to grind

[odd yoke]

Because there's literally fucking nothing else to do in the game

[autumn heron]

Run Aetherochemical literal hundreds of times

That was the anima relic

[topaz river]

At least aetherochemical was current expansion content at the time lol

[wary hawk]

But why are grinds good design?

[autumn heron]

MMOs are designed to be grindy

[odd yoke]

It gives people something to do

[autumn heron]

Its part of the genre

[unique verge]

Vinyl you know how this shit goes.

SE puts in a grindy thing - "Waaah its too grindy why is this taking so long"
SE puts in the same thing but not grindy - "wtf game is dead there's nothing to do"

[odd yoke]

The cycle continues

[coral kite]

Cape Westwind man's return

[wary hawk]

Is there no other content that SE could ask us to do that is not more engaging?

[topaz river]

The important thing in grindy content is value vs time spent and on the “bad” options for this step that aspect just isn’t there

[wary hawk]

Savage is both a grind and engaging

[odd yoke]

Until you've cleared it then its zzzzz

[autumn heron]

That depends on who u ask

[coral kite]

Smh SE not taking the Destiny 2 approach = game dead

[autumn heron]

Many people find savage dull cause its formulaic

[unique verge]

Personally, i welcome the grind in a X.45 patch. Because this, the dyeable Judge sets, etc? That's your "shit to do" until 6.0. 6.0 is going to be months and months away

[autumn heron]

Theres no actual reaction

[unique verge]

You mean the "Hey, you wanna regrind the same item you already had?" approach?

[odd yoke]

Only fight interesting this tier is 12s and door boss is already a fucking snooze

[autumn heron]

Just know what times to do the things

[coral kite]

Yes

: )

[autumn heron]

Back when Omega was new people liked the normal fights betyer

[topaz river]

If you’re not a midcore static that takes months to get the tier down Savage is probably already dead content for you

[unique verge]

And, as much as people are complaining about the Bozja droprates - it has advantages

[autumn heron]

And even considered O12N harder than O12S cause there was some needed level of reaction to ut

[wary hawk]

Assuming that to be true, isn't it still more exciting to have a lvl 80 moveset as opposed to a lvl50 one?

[coral kite]

Considering how much time you spend in bozja to grind mettle

Yea

[unique verge]

In Bozja, i can :
Level alt jobs
Grind Steps 2, 3, AND 4
Collect resources for DR / DR Savage
Make money

all at the same time

[coral kite]

It does give something

[unique verge]

Alternately, i can "go fast" and do CT and get nothing for it but a step done on a weapon that isnt an upgrade

[autumn heron]

Appently CE drops memories too

[topaz river]

CE drops step 4

[autumn heron]

But literally no one tried

[topaz river]

But it’s not guaranteed

[unique verge]

Step 4, i covered that

Also CLL is a guaranteed Step 4 memory

[topaz river]

Good luck getting in there

[unique verge]

and during all of that, collecting stuff towards eventual dyeable judge sets

[topaz river]

And even if you can justify step 4 being the way it is doing all that it doesn’t forgive step 5

Which is entirely outside of Bozja

And entirely old expansion content

Which you get nothing for other than a step in a weapon that isn’t an upgrade

[radiant pollen]

does help new players get that ivalice queue pop at least lol

[unique verge]

That's the only thing i actually agree with you about

Step 5 being entirely non-Bozja is actually silly

[topaz river]

And unlike step 4 you’re not incentivized to actually put up with the low fate drop rate

[wary hawk]

I'm not asking for the grind to be quick. I'm asking for the grind to be consistent. If they triple the number of items you need but make CEs guarantee them that feels better than having less but no guarantee

Same commitment, but different player responses

[topaz river]

Unless you’re a chad and grind ixion at the same time or something lol

[unique verge]

Unless you're a chad BLU

[gaunt star]

Most of the grind I see people complaining about seems like its designed to be done over time

[topaz river]

I can accept that for step 4 and maybe step 6

[radiant pollen]

also true nobody is forcing you to grind the relic out in 2 days when 5.55 is far away

[wary hawk]

Even if you spread it out over time the grind itself is still boring. Why not have us do current raids or trials or dungeons instead?

[topaz river]

But step 5 I don’t see why our “over time” grind has to be in irrelevant content that we don’t get anything else from

[digital forge]

that's been every relic minus SB

[gaunt star]

Honestly probably just to get life back in those queues

For step 5

[open verge]

Relics have always been boring

I have no idea how hard the sb relics were tho

[limber pilot]

my only real issue is the Crystal Tower raids being part of getting this new relic

there's already incentive for doing that since it's an MSQ requirement

should've been the HW alliance raids instead or something if they wanna revive old content for free players

[wary hawk]

What happens when there's not many ppl doing this relic in 1.5 yrs? New players don't get a boost from relic pop and relic players don't have other relic players to help. They make this content part of the next relic too?

[radiant pollen]

there are still tons of players in eureka

[fossil aurora]

That’s okay cause you go and do HW/ Sb raids at step 2

[radiant pollen]

or they'll raise fate drop % eventually

[wary hawk]

@radiant pollen could you flesh out this thought pls? Not sure what you're trying to say

[radiant pollen]

there will still be players in bozja

so it's not like you wouldn't be able to find other players doing the same thing

[topaz river]

Bozja will stay populated because it’s faster than dungeons for DPS jobs leveling wise. Probably more populated than eureka is now if just for that

[wary hawk]

But how does that help newer player doing 24 man's like we believe this relic is trying to do?

[open verge]

Dude

Content has been out for 1 day

[radiant pollen]

it won't

[open verge]

Content is gonna die a year from now just like everything fucking else

[radiant pollen]

at that point if you want the relic you'll just farm the fates

[topaz river]

Stuff like this in the relic quest is for short term optics

People queueing for alliance raids -> people who got the free trial in 5.3 thinking the old content is still active

Even if the relic quest is artificially boosting it

It increases the chance of people who came to the game from the free trial expansion actually subscribing

That being said it doesn’t give the people who are doing the relic quest anything other than progress on the quest. Whereas it can be argued that you can grind for other endgame things while doing steps 4 and 6

A sentiment that I don’t fully subscribe to myself but I can see where the argument comes from

[wary hawk]

@topaz river I think you're right. I don't think there's a reason we couldn't be doing shb dungeons or trials or raids or bozja for these steps. It would be a celebration of ShB

[ember forum]

I got queens barding 😩 😩

[ripe flint]

So does anybody have the new weapons yet?

Poggers.

That barding is so cool.

[ember forum]

Wasted probably all mu rng luck on that

[topaz river]

I would personally have less of an issue if I was farming ShB fates, dungeons, and the nier raids

[topaz river]

I did the first step

Working on the second

1/36 :)

[ripe flint]

I just wanna know if the (presumably) non-glowy one dyes.

[ember forum]

Oh my god

I don't even know if ai should bother with new relics

They aren't really that cool looking I stil prefer anima and arr

At least the whm one sucks

[ripe flint]

I love the spear just for being something different for a change.

At long last.

[autumn heron]

They are the best looking relics since anima

At least for my main jobs

[ember forum]

And getting it for stats, meh i think there are better ones

[ripe flint]

The gungun exists.

How can you say these are bad?

🐈‍⬛

[topaz river]

I don’t like that many of them

[autumn heron]

Relics are almost mever for stats tho

[ember forum]

That looks a lot like anima

[topaz river]

I’m doing them for my mains PLD and DRK at most

[ember forum]

With the purple glow

[topaz river]

Probably not more than that

[autumn heron]

Relics only become BiS at the end of the xpac

[ripe flint]

It's a color associated with the job.

[autumn heron]

After the final step

For my main jobs the DRK and BLM ones are great at least

Waaaaaay better than the previous ones

[ripe flint]

So nobody's got the first few steps done yet? Drat.

[autumn heron]

I got step 1 done

Step 2 takes a bit

[wary hawk]

I have 3 at 510

[autumn heron]

At least 2-3 days

[topaz river]

I did the first step but I’m not logged on so I can’t check if the non glow one is dyeable

[ripe flint]

Wait, does the CT step get you the non-glowy one?

Or is that after all the alliance raids?

[autumn heron]

Ye

[topaz river]

Yes

[ripe flint]

O-Oh.

[topaz river]

Step 2 gives you the glow

[autumn heron]

Glow is after step 2

[ripe flint]

That...Motivates me quite a bit more. XD

[topaz river]

Step 3 is just the sub stats

[ripe flint]

OH.

Oh that's much better...

[topaz river]

So if you’re doing this purely for glam and don’t want to continue the relic in 5.55 you don’t need the last step

[ember forum]

Did anyone here get the new hair?

[gloomy shale]

oh really that's good to know

so 15 runs and you get glow?

[topaz river]

No

15 runs for the non glow weapon

[ripe flint]

@wary hawk So does the 510 one dye?

[ember forum]

Glow is last step?

[topaz river]

For CT

Glow is second step

[odd yoke]

Glow is second

[topaz river]

Substats is last step

[ember forum]

Oh so first step raises ilvl, second adds glow and third u can modify stats

[odd yoke]

First step is 510

[topaz river]

Second step needs 18 runs of Mhach and 18 runs of Ivalice

[odd yoke]

Then 515

[topaz river]

Or fates but the drop rate is abysmal

[ember forum]

That aoinds like pain

[wary hawk]

Logging in now to check

[ember forum]

Lol haha nope

[gloomy shale]

is the final relic or is there another step in the future

[ember forum]

I AINT RUNNING IVALICE 18 TIMES XD

sorry caps xd

[ripe flint]

Better than CT.

[topaz river]

5.55 is the final relic

[gloomy shale]

will it add another glow?

[topaz river]

It’ll probably be a new weapon model and a different glow

[ripe flint]

At least Ivalice hasn't been drilled into my brain for years.

[lime igloo]

you can run 6 rabs, 6 ridoranas, 6 orbonnes

that should make it less miserable maybe

[topaz river]

I queued for everything Mhach/Ivalice except dun scaith

[autumn heron]

The relics are always 3 tiers. The final one at X.55 is always BiS

[topaz river]

Orbonne is a pain but I have more patience for that than first boss memes in dun scaith

[ripe flint]

I love Dun Scaith.

My favorite alliance raid right there.

[gloomy shale]

yeah and usually the final tier has the penultimate glow right?

[topaz river]

I love it too but people can’t do the first boss lol

[ripe flint]

It's funny.

[autumn heron]

Indeed and the hardest to get

The last tier is always the part that takes a month

[gloomy shale]

do we have a rough eta on 5.55?

[autumn heron]

I know someone who got all the anima relics before it was nerfed

[ripe flint]

Nope.

[topaz river]

No

[ripe flint]

Just wait till Friday, we'll probably get an ETA for 5.5 itself.

[autumn heron]

5.5 is probably mid to late April

[wary hawk]

510 relics aren't dyable

[topaz river]

5.5 is probably April or May with the expansion by summer or early fall. Place 5.55 somewhere in there lol

[ripe flint]

Dammit.

[autumn heron]

5.55 wouls be about June

Early June

[ripe flint]

Well thanks for checking.

[gloomy shale]

I would put expansion at Oct?

[lime igloo]

I'd still say 5.5 will be March 31st

[autumn heron]

Next xpac is up in the air cause of all the delays

Might still be in August

[gloomy shale]

yeah and usually it's summer but delays who knows

[ripe flint]

I say September-ish.

[lime igloo]

expansion early access could be Sept 21st (Friday) for meme reasons

full launch whatever the following Tuesday is

[autumn heron]

I cant wait

For it to turn out the only thing being show this weekend

Is shirts

[lime igloo]

lol

[autumn heron]

You all thought it was the next xpac but Yoshi said in every interview its just T-Shirts

Please look forward to it

[wary hawk]

Wish me luck as I head back to try and grind another 45 ST runs

[gloomy shale]

What wep did you go for first?

[wary hawk]

I got DRG, GNB, and DNC at the same time

[gloomy shale]

Nice I too am going for DNC and GNB first

[wary hawk]

Kinda wish I never started on the relic grinds. By playing I fell like I consent to this game design

feel*

[gloomy shale]

Yeah I could see that happening

[wary perch]

6.0 should be in sep since the schedule is delayed by 2mths

[autumn heron]

Maybe late August

You want to capitalize on the kids being out of school

[gloomy shale]

Is there a shortest crystal tower raid? Or one that has been the most optimal?

[gaunt star]

blue mage syrcus tower

thats what we dloing now

24 blu's

[gloomy shale]

ah you can undersizse it?

[dry remnant]

missile doesnt work on the bosses does it?

[gaunt star]

why would we be undersiziing it?

no but final sting does xd

[dry remnant]

lmao

[gloomy shale]

on the blu mage note, is it better to run the new dungeons solo or group it?

[dry remnant]

group???

why would soloing it be better

synced is 100% learn rate

[gloomy shale]

oh didn't know if basic instinct played a role

[next quarry]

Basic Instinct is good

[odd yoke]

Its good but it takes like 30mins solo

4 people is 400% damage

So

Groups will always be better

[viscid monolith]

Basic Instinct is good if you want to challenge yourself or you need to get skill from a mob in a dungeon but don't need to beat the entire thing.

If you do solo a dungeon then Healer Mimic would be best.

[autumn heron]

I just queued as a healer for Sycrus

Each run was 15-20 minutes

[viscid monolith]

Ya have fun doing that 15 times

[gloomy shale]

lol

[autumn heron]

I mean

I did

[soft gyro]

you had fun?

[autumn heron]

Now Im doing it for Mhach and Ivalice

Oh no

It was mind numbing

[gloomy shale]

Is there a most optimal job for those raids at that synced level

[unique verge]

some of the DPS jobs are abnormally strong at certain levels

NIN's seem to be extremely good at 50, for example

iirc RDM is really good at 60

[gloomy shale]

if im gonna do it 15 times might as well bring the deeps

actually do they contribute to the tank mounts?

[plain sierra]

What were the conditions for Rose of Destruction for BLU? I know it's a stack-up, but I didn't get it last time because he didn't actually use it.

[gloomy shale]

apparently its late

im on it right now we missed it first ime

[odd yoke]

Its late in the fight

[plain sierra]

hm

[odd yoke]

After 2nd spirit wave in phase 2

[plain sierra]

I thought I saw somewhere he had to be pushed to 75%?

[odd yoke]

We got him to 7% and just waited for him to do it

[plain sierra]

Sounds good to me

[drowsy belfry]

So there actually is a 2nd BLU 70 cane?

I checked Garland Tools and was like

[odd yoke]

Yes

The fire obe

Get Perfect Azure on Stage 31

[gaunt star]

got the hair

time to sell for 40m

[pallid fox]

You know what's more fun than it should be? Choco Meteor.

You know what else is also more fun than it should be? Ram's Breath (or whatever it's called, I can't remember) + Ultravibration on big packs of mobs.

I cackled my way through Temple of the Fist last night as we pulled w2w and murdered everything with the Freeze + Ultravibration combo.

[faint dagger]

What's the name of the blu set?

[pulsar yacht]

mirage (lv70/i400)

[faint dagger]

cheers

holy shit it's dyeable?

[quick blade]

Have we figured out POTD drop rates for relic?

What floors/etc?

[gaunt star]

yeah its dyable

[faint dagger]

that's clean as fuck actually

this may be one of the few times i actually just glam a full artifact set

except for the pants cause whoever at square keeps declaring male chars get suit pants and female chars get stockings and short shorts can go step on a lego

[drowsy belfry]

Oh fuck for real? What's the reqs this time around?

I wanted the achievement anyway

[gaunt star]

there's a video i think

[drowsy belfry]

Oh dope, thanks!

[gaunt star]

https://youtu.be/0VkaqQ7HQNo

[marsh osprey]

apparently the fucked up the 24 man savage

[gaunt star]

What does the drop rate on the new hair seem to be from the new raid?

[marsh osprey]

low

its still massively expensive

[gaunt star]

how did they fuck it up?

and yeah the hair's selling for 30-45m

mount's selling for 40-50

[marsh osprey]

its too hard

[faint dagger]

Do the blu job quests require any specific spells to get through this time?

[marsh osprey]

apparently

[gaunt star]

it's... not?

[marsh osprey]

still no clear

[gaunt star]

i went into it fairly blind and figured out most of the mechs

[marsh osprey]

dps check is too spicy

[gaunt star]

my friends rescued me to the ones i did wrong

which was the bomb one

[faint dagger]

'oh no it takes time to clear it's too hard' can we not have this attitude, i don't get it

[gaunt star]

someone

got mad

earlier

you'd think they'd get mad at the hot and cold one

nope

[marsh osprey]

hard to the point you need 24 people who play really well and need bozja gear

[gaunt star]

they got mad at the cone aoe on the crcocdile

[marsh osprey]

and the bozja gear upgrades are ludicrous

[gaunt star]

i cant tell if ur trolling

[faint dagger]

i see no problem

let hard content be hard

[gaunt star]

imagine if bozja gear actually did something

[marsh osprey]

not if you need the augmented bozja gear

[gaunt star]

except give haste

ok you have to be

[marsh osprey]

which takes a months to grind

[drowsy belfry]

It's been one day

[gaunt star]

trolling

[drowsy belfry]

the fact they haven't cleared savage yet is good, it means it isn't a face roll again

[gaunt star]

yea

[wary perch]

Meh

[gaunt star]

i wanna jump into savage once im done farming normal and reclears and eureka and etc etc etc

[tropic frigate]

its our baby first times in xiv for actually communicating big teams

[marsh osprey]

being hard is ok but bozja gear being required is dumb af

[wary perch]

That's cos everyone die after 2 stack

[gaunt star]

it's not?

[tropic frigate]

in important content

[marsh osprey]

it is?

ONE MONTH

of grind

[gaunt star]

for normal??

[tropic frigate]

savage

[marsh osprey]

for gear

[tropic frigate]

o

[gaunt star]

savage needs bozja gear??

[marsh osprey]

yes

[tropic frigate]

u were replying to him

[gaunt star]

is it actually required or is it recommended

[wary perch]

Not really need the bozja gear

[marsh osprey]

actually required

[faint dagger]

source this.

[gaunt star]

raises eyebrow

[wary perch]

Since it's only up the ss

[gaunt star]

^

[marsh osprey]

theres streams with 24 people that are good at the game progging

they cant meet dps check

[odd yoke]

Bojza gear only adds haste

[gaunt star]

okay..

[marsh osprey]

haste is huge gcd boost

[wary perch]

Not for every job

[gaunt star]

so you're teling me

[odd yoke]

For jobs for like Speed

[gaunt star]

with 0 deaths

you cant meet dps check

[tropic frigate]

are they all using the new actions?

[marsh osprey]

barely any deaths you cant meet dps check

[gaunt star]

^

[odd yoke]

If your job doesn't like speed then it aunt much

[wary perch]

Doubt there is 0 death

[limber pivot]

only in Bojza (Idk if it was clarified)

[odd yoke]

Thats what we're talking about

[limber pivot]

just making sure

[wary perch]

Probably need to optimize the bozja action

[gaunt star]

well you had how many months to grind for the new gear

[marsh osprey]

it speaks for itself, they cant clear it as fast as new savage tier

[limber pivot]

also people need to use the essences and actions for the savage

and have the gear

then i believe it will be possible

[gaunt star]

just do castrum and hope you get lucky in augment drops, farm the coins, or buy it from MB

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[marsh osprey]

i had a quiet a few castrum clears

never seen anything drop

[gaunt star]

ive gotten 3 drops

[wary perch]

Unless the team didn't eat stacks and waste gcd for full heal to remove doom

[marsh osprey]

and marketboard is

obviously

[limber pivot]

you can't remove the doom right?

[wary perch]

I doubt bozja gear help much

[marsh osprey]

bought clean

u can remove the doom?

[maiden lodge]

Only jobs that benefit from _speed can actually make use of the bozja gear. It offers no stats to help you otherwise.

[limber pivot]

i dont think you can remove it

its there bc you screw up

[faint dagger]

doom is there to make you fail

[wary perch]

I heard it's removed after heal back to full hp

[faint dagger]

it's there in lieu of vuln stacks

[marsh osprey]

mind you bozja has fixed stats

[wary perch]

Might as well one hit kill

[marsh osprey]

so haste is your only option to increase dps

[maiden lodge]

which means the gear has no effect outside haste, so how can it be required?

[wary perch]

Not every job benefit from haste

[limber pivot]

but a lot do

there is no reason NOT to prog without the bojza gear

unless you do not need the haste apparently

[maiden lodge]

For some jobs it's 'haste helps' for others its '_speed is not as good as other stats' and for stil others its 'you do not want a single point of _speed why do you think haste is any good?'

[subtle pasture]

cries in low pie + 5 haste

[wary perch]

This isn't like eureka gear where it give stats boost from the element stats

[maiden lodge]

And even then, element effect gear was exceedingly rare until later

[wary perch]

If savage required haste gear then it's gate behind a heavy grind

[subtle pasture]

Ridiculous to think, "It hasn't been downed in 24 hours it's broken"

[wary perch]

Or you have millions to spend

[maiden lodge]

Your real dps gains in bozja are from Lost Actions

[wary perch]

Not saying that

[subtle pasture]

No, it's what the conversation started with

[wary perch]

Yea it's probably more on lost action then bozja gear

[maiden lodge]

I know, I'm just saying the idea you need the -gear- (minor dps gain for some jobs, actually detrimental to others) is rediculous, when lost actions are sitting there being obvious and necessary.

[marsh osprey]

id guess people are using them

[limber pivot]

yea

[marsh osprey]

when its 24 people with brain trying to clear

[limber pivot]

if i was trying to prog that fight i'd want to use the Bozja gear

[wary perch]

Bozja savage is only hard because mech kill you in two hit max

[limber pivot]

bc my og gear doesnt effect anything

[wary perch]

And no res

[subtle pasture]

I forget, is Savage the 48 or 24

[marsh osprey]

24

[limber pivot]

dps check?

[wary perch]

48

[limber pivot]

the savage is 48 people my dude