retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[marsh osprey]

here

[gaunt star]

Pld one looks like it got a downgrade

[graceful heron]

Been pinned in this channel since like 2am

[marsh osprey]

we have infos since 12 hours in here

[tardy shadow]

I don't mind doing hard content

[versed hill]

BLM relic stay winning

[normal lance]

Always expect a grind like crazy for a good Relic weapon

[tardy shadow]

But damn SE where am I supposed to get 48 people to run this? :v

[foggy coyote]

BRD bow is fugly, as MOST BRD bows have been since SB.

[marsh osprey]

shb relic grind was a joke

but tbf

[versed hill]

@tardy shadow BA discords, Bozja discords

[tardy shadow]

There are bozja discords? 👀

[marsh osprey]

all previous relic grinds

are shit

and shb started pretty late

[versed hill]

ShB is pretty tame still compared to previous ones

I did like 5 Zetas

[gaunt star]

To be honest the whole 2 stacks of any mechanic and your insta doomed makes me wonder how many will ever clear savage xd

[unborn lantern]

oh god..

they look horrible..

[foggy coyote]

I mean, if you're like me and hate any and all grind in any capacity, there's literally nothing they could do to make that process good or fun. Only potentially less tedious.

[tardy shadow]

@versed hill where might I find this bozja discord?

[unborn lantern]

all this grinding for this?

rofl enix have to do better

[versed hill]

Welcome to relic grind

[marsh osprey]

arr relic is literally unmatched in grind

[versed hill]

Some look horrible, some look amazing

You just gotta pick which expansion to grind

[tardy shadow]

God I hated the arr relic grind

[versed hill]

BRD looks ugly but their Anima relic be serving

[unborn lantern]

you will hate eureka more

[tardy shadow]

Least with HW I could do pretty much anything for the poetics

[gaunt star]

Arr grind needed to be done for the kettles.bis monk glam

[gritty sail]

My only complain about the relic grind is I wish it was involved in ShB content more. I dont mind the grind but dont make me do 5+ year old content

[marsh osprey]

well the option was there

but relic item droprate in bozja is so low

apparently doing crystal tower raids is more efficient

they fucked up previous tier too

[gritty sail]

Its just an illusion of an option lmao. You can get 3, maybe 4 crystal tower runs in before you get 1 from CEs in Bozja

[marsh osprey]

hw fates were more efficient

yeah its a joke

[unborn lantern]

oh boy i wonder what monks new relic look like

A FKIN STICK

[marsh osprey]

my friend played 3 hours in bozja

one relic drop

a fucking joke

[versed hill]

Nah

[gaunt star]

Monk weapons are always a joke though xd

[marsh osprey]

dont fool yourself

[versed hill]

With a group bozja was more efficient

[marsh osprey]

they were and still are

no

[versed hill]

I did it thru bozja

Yes

[marsh osprey]

day1

was a joke#

of a droprate

[gritty sail]

You can do the HW fates in like an hour and a half with a group

[versed hill]

Because you can farm clusters

[gaunt star]

Like if it didn't look bad it wouldn't be a monk weapons xd

[versed hill]

And other things

Its fastest

Not most efficient

[rain temple]

if you unlock savage with 700k Mettle and later lose like 200k ... can you enter savage again?? or need always 700k?

[gritty sail]

idc about clusters though lmao

[marsh osprey]

hw fates are done in slightly over an hour

[gritty sail]

I just want my damn relic

[marsh osprey]

for 60 fucking drops

[unborn lantern]

i want the dev actually grinding for these stuffs so they would know how it feel

[marsh osprey]

when your group is fast

[unborn lantern]

[versed hill]

Ive played jrpgs with worse grinds

This is nothing

[marsh osprey]

and then you speedrun antitower in less than an hour 6 times

[unborn lantern]

cant even run it unsync

bullshet

[dim sigil]

That doesnt make it good

[marsh osprey]

yeah but grind is always timewaste

[gritty sail]

Again... I DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE GRIND... I just want the grind to be from ShB content like Bozja or Delubrum. NOT Crystal tower, Mhach or Ivalice

[versed hill]

I don't know why people were expecting relic grind to be easy

[marsh osprey]

so unfun grind is never good

[unborn lantern]

cuz we pay subs

[versed hill]

@gritty sail You're contradicting yourself

[hollow jolt]

do we have a confirmation on what ilvl would the upgraded relic be?

[unborn lantern]

[marsh osprey]

we expect bozja to be the prime location to upgrade your relic

but bozja is so inefficient

that spamming ct raids is better

[versed hill]

You said you preferred HW Fates over Bozja for the previous step. They make the new step all outside Bozja and now you want them inside?

[marsh osprey]

previous step was shit

current step is shit

thats his point

make bozja relevant

[versed hill]

Previous step was better inside Bozja, if you did HW Fates meant you only cared about the relic.

I rest my case

[gritty sail]

Yes I want my relic so I do stuff that's best for the relic

[gaunt star]

Making people do CT is cruel.they know about all the threads people complaining about gear switching to force CT in rouoettes

[versed hill]

And why were people expecting relic grind to be easy anyway

It never was

[unique verge]

I'm fucking sorry, but what?

[unreal wadi]

Wait so all the ||blades died||?

Fuck me

[gritty sail]

So Ill only do stuff for the relic. Why dont they make Bozja FATEs drop 100%? Why do old content for new stuff?

[marsh osprey]

yes we do bozja because we ant relic

[versed hill]

Yea that was pretty dark

[unique verge]

Making people do CT is cruel???

[gritty sail]

Why dont they CEs drop 100%?

[marsh osprey]

because bozja otherwise has no rewards

[unique verge]

Yup

[marsh osprey]

literally

zero

[dim sigil]

Its more so that doing relic in relic zone is the slowest and worst way go do it, its dumb

[marsh osprey]

fucking rewards

[versed hill]

@gaunt star you'll be happy to know they make you do Mhach and Ivalice too

Unless you want 10% FATE droprates

[dim sigil]

I need like a simple bullet point list of steps ima make one later

[gritty sail]

CT, Mhach, Ivalice, HW FATEs and level 60 dungeons should not have been a part of the questline at all. Put all that time and effort into Bozja and DR. I would've enjoyed the grind more then.

[unreal wadi]

Fuck me

[marsh osprey]

even at 100% droprate bozja fates are worse than hw fates for relic

[gaunt star]

I don't know how I feel about farming the ivalice raids.you still see strange wipes there

Even with all the echo in orbomne xd

[strange wing]

Just do what I do and q u i t

[unique verge]

In fact.... ||if you were paying attention, its far worse. note that each boss has multiple voices in it||

[unreal wadi]

YEP

||They fucked fused, didn't they?||

[worn forge]

[unreal wadi]

||I saw a culmination of weapons on them||

||Especially the first boss||

[strange wing]

Such memorable characters

Like...

[oak pike]

DR is pretty fun

[unreal wadi]

DR is quite fun

ngl

[marsh osprey]

DR>all of nier raids

[gaunt star]

How come they didn't make a second zone anyway like Eureka?

[marsh osprey]

what a god fucking alliance raid from bozja

[gaunt star]

I mean Eureka had 4 areas.

[oak pike]

Nier raids are ok, I think my opinion on them lower since I ran them a lot

[unborn lantern]

enix losing their touch, they aint fun no more, we play for the story, once its done just toss ffxiv into the recycle

[marsh osprey]

they are pretty terrible

[unborn lantern]

[marsh osprey]

nier raids offer 0 mechanics

[oak pike]

So like nier raid my brain is on autopilot

[unreal wadi]

Literally DR & return to ivalice are more fun than the current nier raids

[versed hill]

DR's only problem is all the people not using lost actions and essence making them take FOREVER

[marsh osprey]

labyrinth of the ancients has more mechanics than nier raids

sadly enough

[gaunt star]

Well I noticed the monk judge gear is several bits of existing armour kind of smashed together

[marsh osprey]

thats how bad they are

[unique verge]

That's a damn lie and you know it

lmao

[oak pike]

Well damn

[gaunt star]

Well with Nier they let you eat as many stacks as you want to compensate for the enemies nearly infinite hp pools.

It's like they've accepted that lvl 80 players still can't deal with super obvious sirs so threw them a crutch

[gritty sail]

I have a strong feeling that other than the Savage version maybe, DR will end up like Lacus Litore

[gaunt star]

Aoes

[unreal wadi]

Man the story is

fucked up

[oak pike]

DR mess up twice in a min and half boom dead

[sterile moat]

the story made me cringe

[gloomy tide]

Is there a new bozjan grinding area?

[gaunt star]

no

[oak pike]

Story that bad?

[gloomy tide]

Oh thank god I don't have to do that crap.

[gaunt star]

is there still no info on where the fiery blue weapon comes from

well there's a new raid to 'grind'

[marsh osprey]

its not

[sterile moat]

it would've been better if misija had a character

[gaunt star]

No new area.you have to go back to the same area and grind once more

[marsh osprey]

nier raids have zero fucking mechanics

its just dodge aoes

[gaunt star]

Or suffer ct

[sterile moat]

but she's too much fordola 2.0

then you have mikoto

[digital forge]

I can't believe a piece of content that regularly forced people to participate in older content is doing just that

[sterile moat]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO WE HAVE TO SAVE MISIJA DESPITE HER BEING A FUCKING C

[topaz dune]

it feels mroe like they wrote Mikoto as disposable

and Misija is jsut a more edgy Fordola

[oak pike]

Thats most of this game

[digital forge]

Which was a direct result of people complaining that they wanted HW/ARR grinds when SB went completely into Eureka

[unreal wadi]

Trinity Seeker's field notes

from the beginning

[digital forge]

hmmmmmmmm

[sterile moat]

it's fucking hilarious how both fordola and misija get the exact same type of ending

[worn forge]

DR will survive longer than Ligmus Litore due to it having a queue

imo at least

[sterile moat]

feeling guilty after being a bitch locked down in a solitary cell

[topaz dune]

mh

[worn forge]

the fact they didn’t shoot Misija at every opportunity given angered me

[topaz dune]

thinking back on this

[worn forge]

like

[topaz dune]

and rip

this is a true cop out

[sterile moat]

can't wait for mikoto to go get her from her cell for some bullshit

[gaunt star]

Lactose Intolerant should've had a queue tbh, would be made it so the whole instance doesn't die as soon as it pops

[worn forge]

shit, you had a ranger with you before she got tempered

shoot that fucker

[sterile moat]

because BOY

[topaz dune]

and she was my miqos complete twin

cause of the hair

[sterile moat]

it's going to happen

[topaz dune]

[sterile moat]

because post ShB has a boner for SB

[gaunt star]

I want a SHB relic to make you do, SHB content

[worn forge]

if she gets a redemption arc, I will scream

[oak pike]

hmm bozja is just a 2nd aliance raid but with extra steps

[digital forge]

Light Grind, understood

[gaunt star]

Ye

[digital forge]

(E1S queues)

[shell merlin]

people who leave the raid need to be fucking punished

[sterile moat]

i'm still mad mikoto saw misija temper a countryman and have him kill 2 of his friends

[gaunt star]

Light grind was fun

[worn forge]

uwu people were meanies to me when I was younger, now I’m evil

[shell merlin]

BETTER YET GIVE US PROPER Q TIMES

[topaz dune]

Redemption arc for Misija will be the most diarrhea piece of shit thing SE can do to a side character

[sterile moat]

and then goes we should save misija

[topaz dune]

that even Fordola woulda been a better choice

[worn forge]

At least 4$ had dead parents for her backstory

Misija has jackshit

other than getting bullied

[gaunt star]

"I was bullied so screw you"

[oak pike]

wasnt misija trying to get their country back but mold the country into her own vision

[sterile moat]

NOOOOOO MY GRAND GRAND GRAND MOTHER WAS KILLED BY THE BLADES, I MUST JOIN THE EVIL EMPIRE AND BETRAY EVERYONE FOR REVENGE

[oak pike]

pretty much

[sterile moat]

seriously, fuck bojza story

[worn forge]

Also fuck Mikoto

[sterile moat]

this is so fucking bad it was almost physically painful to go through

[worn forge]

has premonition

“Hey you good?”

[gaunt star]

"This one person who I never met in my life that I'm related to was killed by these people and now I'm angy"

[worn forge]

“YEAH IM FINE, DEFINITELY DIDNT HAVE A PREMONITION “

[sterile moat]

mikoto got fucking out premonition'd

and they presented that shit like it was some huge plot tweeeeeeeeeeest

[worn forge]

I hate this fucking trope so much

just tell the people what you saw

[sterile moat]

if her echo premonition triggers for danger shit

why wouldn't it show the ambush?

[topaz dune]

I rather sit at a dinner table with Gabranth

[sterile moat]

also

[topaz dune]

than deal with the ongonig train wreck disaster

[sterile moat]

fucking ifrit

[topaz dune]

which is Mikoto and Misija

[sterile moat]

vanished from bozja map

instead of just sitting there for people to watch

anyways

do we know what drops what yet?

[worn forge]

Gabriel and hair come from normal mode

[oak pike]

firit vanish what?

[worn forge]

emote is clusters I think

[strange wing]

Purple prism crystal

[sterile moat]

the airship

[gritty sail]

Some people say the hair is from Castrum?

[untold hamlet]

Does The void Ark count as a Mhach raid??

[unreal wadi]

JP seems to like the blue mage af gear

[sterile moat]

yes

[worn forge]

yeah Kiet

[dim sigil]

Emote clusters, hair raid

[unreal wadi]

lots of gposes from JP

[untold hamlet]

ty

[gritty sail]

The BLU af armor is actually really nice though

[dim sigil]

Wheres new Gabe from

[unreal wadi]

it really is

[sterile moat]

normal i think

[worn forge]

rare drop from DR chest I think

[dim sigil]

Just a rng drop

[gritty sail]

Nothing looks too silly aside maybe the head piece but it fits the class

[dim sigil]

Oh boy

[worn forge]

I heard it was the last boss chests

[wary perch]

It's more about misija and her people being mistreated as lowborn slave than revenge about the queen's betrayal

[dim sigil]

Makes sense

[unreal wadi]

the field notes talk about it

[dim sigil]

We could like

[unreal wadi]

even her interrogation

[worn forge]

Murder for a cause doesn’t make it just

[sterile moat]

it's still petty compared to what fordola lived through

[topaz dune]

^

[worn forge]

it makes you a shitty person

[topaz dune]

Fordola suffered more shit personally than Misija

[wary perch]

No doubt she is shit

[sterile moat]

plus that justification doesn't work

[dim sigil]

Are there really gonna redeem

[sterile moat]

because whos making her people feel like shit are the garleans

[wary perch]

No

[sterile moat]

while who killed the queen were the blades

[wary perch]

The bozja citizen already treat them like slave before garlean

Because of their social hierarchy

[worn forge]

they saw the script before we did

they knew she was shit

[wary perch]

Like the class system in india

[sterile moat]

what i hate the most is how she's so similar to fordola

[topaz dune]

redeeming misija is like eating feces off a sandwhich with a mix of your own puke while pissing on the floor

[sterile moat]

xiv has similar characters but they never did something this close

[wary perch]

Nah she is different from fordola

[sterile moat]

NOOOOOOO WE HAVE TO SAVE MISIJA, SHE DESERVES ANOTHER CHANCE

[wary perch]

Fordola being mistreat because of garlean occupation

[sterile moat]

they're not the exact same character

[wary perch]

Misija being mistreated is because bozja society is shit before garlean occupation

[sterile moat]

but they're extremely similar

[wary perch]

I would say more similar to yotsuyu

[oak pike]

fordola is suffering sins of her father, misija is a slave

[topaz dune]

Fordola is more well written than Misija

Misija is a half assed version

at this point

[oak pike]

like hmmm if i was treated lower class and or a slave I too will be pissed off at my country

[wary perch]

Fordola has more stuff explained then misija

[worn forge]

Misija for no reason can hold her own too

Fordola at least was a super soldier

[unreal wadi]

Can I just say... I really like the field notes

[worn forge]

Misija is ?????

[unreal wadi]

lorewise, I love it

lots of detail on characters

[wary perch]

Even have a short story for fordola and half an expansion plus a few patch

[worn forge]

yeah the notes are a nice feature

[mighty light]

What? Marie, the one combat she fights in without supernatural aid, Misija is slightly stronger than a normal soldier.

[unreal wadi]

We got to know about the Viera Ironworks girl

which is something I didn't expect

[topaz dune]

and we saw more combat with Fordola than Misija

and Fordola helped us fight against Bollywood

Plus Fordola is doing house cleaning as of lately too, despite carrying the sins and having the bear the responsibilities

The execution of Misija's character would make Fordola find her and kill her in the gaols

[mighty light]

I don't think Fordola would

[worn forge]

I was quite surprised not a single Bozjan there was like “she needs to die five minutes ago”

[mighty light]

They're trying to create a more just society

It makes sense that they'd want some kind of trial

[oak pike]

Well shes a PoW now

[mighty light]

^^^

[worn forge]

if Mikoto lets her out

[oak pike]

like if misija not a bad character its just people around her

[mighty light]

Then Mikoto is an idiot
But I want to point out that Mikoto spent the entirety of DR horrified at the abominations she created from the Blades.

[unreal wadi]

https://twitter.com/Berg_FF/status/1356743163860324352?s=20

Maji (@Berg_FF)

Blue Mage

Twitter · Feb 2, 2021, 11:15 PM

So

[clever isle]

Shes gonna do Garrosh Hellscream and go back in time, re-unite bozja before invasion, win empire and take over rest of Eorzea 😏

[unreal wadi]

can i have the AF blue gear

it looks so good

[topaz dune]

That sad face of Mikoto's likely points to a shitty redemption thing

and that only adds fuel to the fire of this trainwreck

[mighty light]

Alternatively, Mikoto tries to pull a Redemption on her, and Misija immediately betrays her. Hell, maybe that's even what that airship premonition was about.

[clever isle]

What airship. She was just tired thats all /s

[topaz dune]

airship cutscene

where we saw airships arriving

and gabranth claims victory is near

[mighty light]

No

I'm talking about the premonition where Mikoto is falling off an airship.

[topaz dune]

oh that

but Mikoto is at gangos atm

[mighty light]

Yep

[topaz dune]

i have no idea if her falling off the airship takes place in 5.55

[maiden lodge]

yet again, someone shows themselves capable of not melting immediately in the story and people here call it bad writing

Surprising literally fn no one

[subtle pasture]

Ah, Save the Queen itself gets its own field notes

||A trigger weapon, Allagan weapons made from auracite and designed to facilitate eikon summoning||

||yes the actual name is a “trigger weapon”||

[buoyant hatch]

Maybe this can clear up the difference between eikon (not the garlean definition, but the one unukalhai used) and primal

[random anvil]

The Trinity Avowed notes gave me some big sad T-T

[unreal wadi]

where to go for

BLU levelling

[subtle pasture]

Well, eikons and primals are the same thing, it’s lucavi that are slightly different

||but Allag managed to take the process of Lucavi invocation to make primal-summoning weapons, which should be noted as distinct from Eurekan Arms||

..this is the deep lore written jn the field notes no one reads idk why I’m bothering on the spoiler tags

[buoyant hatch]

eikons (garlean definition) are the same as primals. The unukalhai definition was never really clarified

[subtle pasture]

And same

[mighty light]

Unukalhai basically defined eikons as more powerful primals.

I don't think there's anything special to it beyond that?

[unique verge]

I mean, if we're being logical

"Eikon" is probably the original term for Primal

Like, at least as far back as Allag, and likely as far back as Ancients

[worn forge]

the crypt cave in the NW of Lochs

find a buddy or a PF of BLUs and go slap some sprites and ghosts

I capped in there in under an hour with just BLUs

[unique verge]

Its not really a "garlean" term. By all reasonable thought, Emet carried the term to both empires.

[mighty light]

Probably not as far back as the Ancients

[buoyant hatch]

I always found it quite interesting that emet didn't speak of zodiark and hydealyn as eikons

[subtle pasture]

Well Allag is the earliest we can go for acknowledging they’re not true gods, and aetherforms of immense power and devastation. Eikon, Deiform, Primal

[buoyant hatch]

Probably because eikon means false god, and he thinks those 2 are real ones

[subtle pasture]

Same gist,

[mighty light]

I mean no he thinks they're as real as any other Primal; he just happens to worship one of them.

[unique verge]

Emet was behind both Allag and Garlemald, so.....the fact that the word shows up in both, suggests that he's the one that carried it between them.

[subtle pasture]

“They are gods, after a fashion.”

[mighty light]

Then why didn't they use it for Hydaelyn and Zodiark

It's probably just a term that developed naturally under Allag

Garlemald appears to have picked it up from their research into Allag, independently of Solus' influence.

[unique verge]

Who says they didnt? We've only ever really been talked to or read about such from Emet directly, and he uses primal more as a courtesy to us imo

[mighty light]

I mean

He knows we know what Eikon means

[subtle pasture]

The time of Allag waging war on primals is in year 1200 of its empire, Emet may have had a part in the finding of Allag but we don’t know the later years

[mighty light]

Why would he use it as a courtesy

[onyx sundial]

so the new hair

where is it from?

[unreal wadi]

where the tomb is?

[odd yoke]

@unique verge there is a legit 1v1 inside savage

[subtle pasture]

Even when he speaks of the crystal tower, it’s “I shaped the empire that built this place,” and not “I built this tower”

[unique verge]

Goddamn it wasnt just a rumor? That's amazing and terrible and everything.

[worn forge]

you’ll wanna take the porta praetoria aetheryte and fly north, up the cliff

[odd yoke]

After first boss

Tfe trash is just a 1v1

[subtle pasture]

Dahu? Or the Queen’s Guard

[odd yoke]

[subtle pasture]

oh god

[odd yoke]

New mob

[unique verge]

That's super interesting though

What a fucking legendary raid

[mighty light]

That's it everyone
Videogames are cancelled

[subtle pasture]

There are pathways you can’t take in normal, figured they were for Savage

Didn’t expect it to be for 1v1’s tho

[odd yoke]

Mr happy uploaded a vid with his furthest prog, with showing the 1v1

And enrage of Dahu

[unique verge]

Okay let me ask this, because this is where it goes between "this is cool as fuck" and "this is fucking dumb"

[odd yoke]

Xenos got to shields of Queens

[autumn heron]

theres a 1v1 in the savage 48 man?

[unique verge]

Did they get to choose who 1v1'd

or was it chosen for them

[subtle pasture]

Oh, Xeno is on to the Queen’s Guard?

[odd yoke]

I think you pick

You know those cloaed doors?

[subtle pasture]

Can’t imagine Bozjan Phantom Savage, let alone Avowed

[unique verge]

thank fuck. that makes it a cool mechanic then.

[odd yoke]

You see inside Dr

Those open

In savage

[worn forge]

oh fuck

[odd yoke]

And you need the 1v1 to.kill Dahu

[subtle pasture]

Yeah there’s jump pads beyond those doors,

[odd yoke]

Its like AV

But 1v1 inside

[unique verge]

AV?

[worn forge]

Absolute Virtue

[pine epoch]

Absolute virtue

[odd yoke]

Absolute virtue

[pine epoch]

Jinx

[unique verge]

lmao

[pine epoch]

Yall owe me soda

[odd yoke]

Where you needed to do something to make the boss killable

[subtle pasture]

Virtue, there’s an extra NM that spawns outside in Hydatos you need people to kill, bc initially AV has a super buff illusion in its room

[odd yoke]

It seems from Xenos stream there's maybe another 1v1 for the queens guard?

[unique verge]

Oh, okay, a quick google explains that

[odd yoke]

Cause there was another door

[unique verge]

I never did BA so i had no context for AV

lol

[odd yoke]

And a pop up "power of the lioness roars with you"

Tfw each boss probably has a separate 1v1

Fucking wack

Bruh

Perception

Is required

For the duel

[worn forge]

LMAO

[odd yoke]

Dispel and perception

He lays traps mid fight

[worn forge]

we joked about this like an hour ago

what a coincidence lol

[sudden fossil]

anyone know what the garlean synthetic fiber item from bozja is used for?

[odd yoke]

Increasing the holster size

[worn forge]

increase carrying capacity for Bozja actions

[odd yoke]

By 10

Need 3

[sudden fossil]

where do you use it?

[odd yoke]

There's a quest

[sudden fossil]

oh ok

[odd yoke]

In gangos

[worn forge]

there’s a lad south in Gangos

[open siren]

Whats the best way for The Resitance Remembers quest?

The raids or fates?

[worn forge]

a mix of both so you don’t go insane

jokes aside, the CEs aren’t guaranteed drops

[open siren]

Is there particular maps people are running for the quest?

[worn forge]

so if you wanna speed it, raids I think

[open siren]

Like particular area to grind for the fates

[odd yoke]

You need multiple dispels so no action swapping

[topaz river]

Do you need to do the full current relic questline to get replicas for the 5.35 relics?

[spiral wagon]

[odd yoke]

So the 1v1s dont seem mandatory, seems just a damage buff? Probably helps enrages

At least not mandatory yet

[topaz river]

:)

[spiral wagon]

i thought it was only for the crystal tower raids?

[odd yoke]

Thats step 1

If you're avoiding ces

[elfin plover]

how can you run all 3 raid series at once? unless you're grinding 3 relics at the same time, with one on each step

well i mean there's only 2 in that picture, but the principle is the same

[gritty sail]

Step 1 is Crystal Tower raid series. Step 2 you need 18 clears of Ivalice AND 18 Mhach raids

[elfin plover]

ohhhhh

[autumn heron]

^

its hell

[open verge]

Step 3?

[gritty sail]

Yeah, I'm doing BLU stuff. Once I saw SB Fates arent 100%, I havent bothered with Step 2 yet

[gritty sail]

PotD

[autumn heron]

for some reason step 3 is a lot easier

run PotD 15 times

[odd yoke]

Step 3 is potd or DR

[open verge]

Jesus

Hoh?

[gritty sail]

nope lol

which makes no sense

[odd yoke]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/567313871778480148/806204541556621393/20210202_114707.jpg

[open verge]

And fates aren’t 100%

[odd yoke]

Nope

[gritty sail]

please look forward to it

[unreal wadi]

just do fates

while queuing

ez

[autumn heron]

fates are less than 50%

I've tried

I've fucking tried

15 fates

not one drop

[open verge]

You did ct already???

[autumn heron]

Yup

got part 1 down

[gritty sail]

I think someone in this channel said they did 35 SB FATEs and none dropped

[odd yoke]

They buttered us up with guaranteed drops and now dropped you on your head

[open verge]

What’s it give?

[silk cape]

Next phase'll be HoH and Normal Raids (aka Alexander and Omega)

[autumn heron]

it gives you the base relic

without the glow

step 2 gives you the glow

[open verge]

Cool

[autumn heron]

step 3 gives you the final stats

[open verge]

I’ll do it I guess

No unsync?

[gaunt star]

How dare things not be 100% drop rate

[gritty sail]

Unless, the next RDM or WHM weapon relic in 5.5 looks hella sick, Im... just gonna settle for the raid weapons lol

[autumn heron]

no unsync

[topaz river]

It's not that it's under 100% it's 10% and possibly even less from fates or ces

[autumn heron]

Im not asking for it to be 100% Im asking for it to be more than 10%

[gaunt star]

Yeah, that I can agree with

[open verge]

18 runs of a 24 man is a bit fuckinf much

[topaz river]

I've seen people say it's as low as like 2% lol

[gritty sail]

36 runs technically

[silk cape]

If you're trying to do it in one week, sure.

[gaunt star]

I mean, light farming was the same way if you weren't doing Savages

People will be running them now

[autumn heron]

I should have part 2 of the relic done by friday

if the queues agree with me

[gaunt star]

Were people expecting you to be able to get the weps day one?

[gritty sail]

idc for long grinds. Just put the grinds in Shadowbringers content and I will gladly bend over and do them all no matter how long

[silk cape]

36 runs of 24 mans that people want to run for glams and quest completion that they can't do because people queue naked for LotA, so NOW? Maybe they'll get to run them. ^_^

[gritty sail]

I dont wanna grind weeks in stuff we've done and seen for years

[gaunt star]

That's what relics have always been, just grind

[autumn heron]

I was hoping the grind would actually be in Bozja this time

[gritty sail]

At least they were grinds related to the expansions they released in

Anima, HW stuff. Zeta? ARR stuff. Eureka? Well... Eureka

[gaunt star]

Bozja is kinda SHB related, but yeah they should've had it so you did SHB stuff for the new relics

Idk about that, I always get ST for my roulette

So people do still do CT raids

[autumn heron]

part 1 is ez

part 2 is the hard one

cause you have to do Mhach

[gritty sail]

People do CT because MSQ requires you to do it

[autumn heron]

the deadest content in the game

[lime trail]

Am I the only one who didn't know Bojaz front was a even a thing until they tied it to relics?

[radiant pollen]

give it a day or two and more people will queue for mhach

[gritty sail]

And Zeta needs you to get stuff from it I think

[open verge]

I just wish bozja was the best place to do your relic

Lmao

[gaunt star]

Then don't do BA

[open verge]

Why am I punished for being in bozja for relic

[odd yoke]

Kinda is for step 1

[lime trail]

Oh? There are alternatives? That's good

[odd yoke]

If you get a good group

[autumn heron]

Bozja has been a thing since the relics were first introduced

[gritty sail]

"Alternatives". Yeah right. With the drop rates they're practically forcing you to not do Bozja stuff

[open verge]

We still can’t dye the af gear btw

Af weapon

[odd yoke]

Memoria ex

[open verge]

Not gear

Yea I meant the weapons from af

I will gladly farm lota

[lime trail]

I guess I'm way behind on relics then, I thought we were all still on that first step spending 2k for the first wep per class :/

[open verge]

I have done 15 runs of lota before lmao

[topaz river]

One of the steps isn't even in bozja and the steps that are in bozja content are significantly slower than outside of bozja, which is saying something because the non-bozja way is still a big ask

[open verge]

How???

[odd yoke]

Relics are added and upgraded every X X5 patch after they start

[gritty sail]

Yeah Step 2 you cant even do in Bozja LOL

[autumn heron]

How? Part 1 of the relic was well over 8 months ago now

[open verge]

Exactly lmao

Step 2 is easy to get

[gritty sail]

I get that they wanna make SB look populated for the HW Trial users moving on but... Cmon on now. When I was going through SB I didnt care nobody was in Yanxia or Gyr Abania

[lime trail]

Must have just missed the update, -rolls up sleeves- time to brew some coffee and get to work

[autumn heron]

SB areas are ass anyhow

[open verge]

Which role has the fastest queue

For lota

[autumn heron]

healer

as always

[gaunt star]

People will spend 18 hours a day for 2 weeks in Diadem for a title that doesn't matter at all, but wont spend more than 2 days doing fates

[topaz river]

2 days might be lowballing it lol

[true sequoia]

Cute chat uwu

[topaz river]

With the fate route anyway

For alliances 2 days is probably reasonable

[tired shoal]

i can connect to primal lobby server

but when i try eu servers, it just shit bricks

[icy kite]

im guessing raids are the faster method for step 2?

or am i just insanely unlucky with fates

[topaz river]

Raids are faster

FATEs have a 10% drop rate. Some say it's even lower

We're not sure atm but it's really low

[fallow ferry]

So on the new cerberus mount is it rng or is it like Ozma

[gaunt star]

Just like Ozma

[fallow ferry]

Alright so do the savage raid and pray I don't get punished and die for someone else's fuck up

[coarse matrix]

Is Mhach or Ivalice faster?

[fallow ferry]

Isnt it just CT

At least that's what I heard

[coarse matrix]

Ah need both, raids shoot

[fallow ferry]

Wait for the last one does any floor for POTD work?

[autumn heron]

the drop rate from the fates in step 2 is less than 10%

[fallow ferry]

Cause that's a good excuse for going past floor 60

[gaunt star]

I think you have to go to 50? But I'm not sure

[shell merlin]

i really hope the hair drops in price fast cause

doing raids all day hurts

I managed to do 4 out of 6

given people leaving

[dim sigil]

Quite sure they're going to add a penalty for leaving eventually

[gaunt star]

You should lose mettle for leaving :3

Make people stay

You queued up for this, you knew what you were getting into

[shell merlin]

@dim sigil only if they make parties fixed in some fashion

i dont want to ntohave a single healer

die every time cause my party has 0

which is the main reason people leave

ive died less and less every actual run but cant avoid raid wide

and hot and cold sorta requires a healer anyways

[gaunt star]

Last boss of delubrum reginae was astounding, the theme will stick with me forever

[ember forum]

@shell merlin i did 5 Delubrum today and I git nothing but coins

I want hair too 😭

I got 2 tabletop objects tho

That's the only other than coins thing I received

[rain onyx]

You make up lack of roles with lost actions

The healing boost essence and Cure 3/4 make you an extremely capable healer

[shell merlin]

@ember forum tabletops sell for a bit

[rain onyx]

Take a tank-based essence and provoke to be a main tank

[shell merlin]

@rain onyx ive been going in as rdm, but thats not tye point

You assume everyone will bring what they need right

[rain onyx]

You can change up what you got right at the start

And a bit of communication with your party won’t hurt,

[shell merlin]

all i know is nobody fuckinf cares and if there is no healer they leave lmao

After first boss

[old talon]

The system is there. If the players refuse to use it then its on them imo

[ember forum]

I havent had problem with parties at all. Everyone was nice and helpful all 5 times Im on chaos

[shell merlin]

4/6 rather nice

21 people and 4 healers 1 each party was also fine

So 20 people getting healed all around at once

Unless u count yourself as a healer

[grand parcel]

so has anyone checked to see how they fixed lacus litore

[dim sigil]

I just be the healer

[shell merlin]

Fixed wat

[dim sigil]

I did it but I didn't notice anything different

[gaunt star]

Just go PLD, you can heal and tank

[ember forum]

Being healer in new raid is busy job. Lol

[shell merlin]

Just be a revive bot

Like i did first go around

[ember forum]

But I cant play any other well than healer

[shell merlin]

Got 50 revives in one raid

[ember forum]

So Im stuck haha

[grand parcel]

fixed it so that people actually wanna play it.

[ember forum]

Oh god I revived more than 30-40+ in 5 runs

[old talon]

Still no good reason to keep doing CLL

[ember forum]

Its painful doing it as a healer

[grand parcel]

besides augmented law's order gear

[shell merlin]

I wanna know the drop odds for the dr stuff

[ember forum]

Ill farm tomorrow again to see if ai can hopefully get the hair

[grand parcel]

cuz that shit for some asinine reason requires you have augmented bozjan gear as well

[ember forum]

I really want it T. T

Dont wanna pay 24m gi, actually I dont even have that much

Hell, I barely have 3m

[shell merlin]

@ember forum it will be around 5 mil in a week or 2

Maybe

It might actually keep value

[ember forum]

I wonder if gyr will drop in price

[shell merlin]

When bozja dies

Again

[ember forum]

How do some people have so much luck like wtf

[wispy tartan]

the new crafting relics glow right?

[random anvil]

for the loathsome memories, do i have to be the job i i'm working the relic towards for them to drop?

[shell merlin]

Yes

No k

[ember forum]

I never get anythin lol, did tons of hoh opened more than 80 no hairstyle

[wispy tartan]

has anyone finished the new craft relics yet? haven't seen anyone around with them

[ember forum]

Do this, no hairstyle xd

[shell merlin]

@wispy tartan yes to u

[ember forum]

There are images in pins

Of all new relic

[gloomy tide]

I hope we execute that femroe.

But knowing the Japanese, they probably won't, just like that highlander in SB.

[ember forum]

Hopefully we get the last boss mount XD

[gloomy tide]

They love their war criminals.

[ember forum]

That would epic

[shell merlin]

You mean

[wispy tartan]

the pins don't have the craft relic images

[shell merlin]

The minion

[ember forum]

I love the raid so much, its provably the most fun rn

[shell merlin]

@ember forum queen minion

[gloomy tide]

Pretty sure Yoshida has a fetish for creating war criminals that don't get executed even though they're arrested.

[dim sigil]

If only she died there

[vestal torrent]

Fairly certain she's coming back in 6.0 for a redemption arc.

[gloomy tide]

Fucking terrible.

[ember forum]

Maybe

[vestal torrent]

Or at the very least, made useful.

[ember forum]

Why waa she in bikini tho

Lol

[dim sigil]

There's one more section in 5.5 i belive so itll end there probably

[gloomy tide]

He has a female war criminal fetish.

[dim sigil]

It was a enemy stand

[gaunt star]

Fml.. New hairstyle only drops from final boss on the new long ass raid

[wispy tartan]

the pins don't have the glowy craft relics D: are those posted anywhere?

[gaunt star]

With a low drop rate

[ember forum]

Yeah

[gaunt star]

I can 100% see this hairstyle staying in the 10mil+ range

Forever

[ember forum]

Yeah

Gyr still looks a bit better imo

[gaunt star]

Was Gyr this hard to get when it was new?

[ember forum]

Idk I opened about 80 sacks

Got nothing but trash

[gaunt star]

At least people actively do PoTD/HoH

This raid is gonna die soon

[ember forum]

And I gave up, spamming hoh got boring, this is why i hope I can get this one

[gaunt star]

And that hairstyle.. WEW

[ember forum]

Every time I am about to open the last chess lmao and still no hair

Chest*

[gaunt star]

How many runs have you done so far?

[ember forum]

5

[gaunt star]

Yikes.. Got the mount or housing items at least?

[ember forum]

I got 2 tabletop ovjects xD

[gaunt star]

https://tenor.com/view/touchdown-bruh-really-gif-12484222

[ember forum]

I'll do another t tomorrow

5

[autumn heron]

Yea no

Im done for the day

I cant

[ember forum]

Lol as a healer 5 is way too much, but I decided I want that hair

[autumn heron]

I finished step one of the relic today

now I need to run Mhach 15 more times and Ivalice 18 times

[ember forum]

Oh god

[autumn heron]

[ember forum]

Soinds like torture

[autumn heron]

Part 1 is run CT 15 times

[ember forum]

I'm still on just 2 memory of loathsome dying 😭

[gaunt star]

Yeah this isn't even worth it

Oop

[autumn heron]

Part 3 is ironically the easiest

15 runs of PotD

[gaunt star]

15 PoTD I can do in a night

[ember forum]

Yeah ok CT ia fine too, nowadays theyre done fast

But ivalice, oh god

Not many queues for ivalice either

I usually wait 10m as a healer

Cant imagine having to run it 18 times

[autumn heron]

relics are always entirely for glam, and funnily enough this isnt the WORST relic grind in the game

A N I M A at launch

[gaunt star]

Yeah ik, I did an Anima before

[ember forum]

Arr is still worst

[autumn heron]

[ember forum]

Damned animus books and fates and on top of that light farming twice

[grand parcel]

bahahaha steelvien

oh god I already love the new skysteel tool quest

fucking steelvien

[rain onyx]

This one is pretty mild in the grand scheme of relics since you can level up other classes

Like, literally the entire relic can be done as another class

[autumn heron]

Im running everything as healer

so I dont go insane

[rain onyx]

You just need to be the class to upgrade and grab the quests

So it has that going for it

[autumn heron]

imagine

can you fucking imagine

being a DPS only player

[ember forum]

Hmm is res weapon shb relic or just bozjan relic?

[autumn heron]

[ember forum]

I notice theres no light farming with this one

Like there usually is

[rain onyx]

They’re the same thing. Resistance Weapon is Bozja

[gaunt star]

Does anyone have a gif or link to the new emote?

[rain onyx]

You can see it in-game at the Thaumaturge guild

It’s the weird hands forward pose the NPCs are doing

[grand parcel]

PLEASE tell me this is the final step for the relic tool quest

[rain onyx]

For DoH/DoL? Yes

[grand parcel]

i don't want to commit seppuku with my handsaw

oh thank god

[autumn heron]

wait the glow for the relic is part 2 or part 3, for the combat relics

[grand parcel]

a shame the tools will be worthless considering endgame crafts are dirt cheap now but whatever.

[wary perch]

Oh skytool is in final step?

No more skytool in 5.55?

[grand parcel]

my dude as someone who's tried to get saint, expert crafts?

they ain't fun

[shell merlin]

Going for miner tho ez

[wary hawk]

So any anecdotal evidence on drop rate from dates for this step?

[dim sigil]

Well first you gotta dress nice

[ember forum]

For loathsome memoroes?

[half halo]

Any info on how to get the red glowing BLU weapon?

[wary hawk]

I meant fates lol

[ember forum]

Ohhh

[wary hawk]

For the step after loathsome

[ember forum]

Oh, idk havent gotten that far lol

[shell merlin]

Ig hair and mount only drop from gold chest

In dr

[ember forum]

Gold chest!?

Is it 3rd chest?

[shell merlin]

Last chest

Yes

[ember forum]

Cause I only get 2

[shell merlin]

last 2 gold chest

[ember forum]

I didnt pay attention ti what they color are xd

[cinder storm]

does anyone know what the item level for the relic weapons are?

[shell merlin]

Only heard via players

515

[cinder storm]

515 for final upgrade for this patch?

[ember forum]

I'll pray I get lucky timorrow which I highlybdoubt

Yes

[cinder storm]

aww was expecting something like 520 sadge

[dreamy bane]

are 2nd step mem farm not 100% rate from SB fates? did a couple in preeing stones area got none

[rain onyx]

Buy with allied seals from one of the Mamool Ja near Martyn , IIRC

[half halo]

Weird, I finished the job quest and the carnivale (got the blue glowing weapon) and they didn't had anything new in stock.

Or do I need the truest of the blue title? D:

[rain onyx]

No idea, I can’t tell from Garland tools

[half halo]

oh well. Thanks for the answer tho

[odd yoke]

You need Perfect azure

On stage 31

For the weapon

[half halo]

I see

Same requirements as before?

[grand parcel]

did some tests, managed to score 7222 on an expert craft

[odd yoke]

Assune so

[kindred meteor]

• Loathsome Memory is Bozja Critical Engagements or Crystal Tower Alliance Raid clears.
• Haunting Memory is Gyr Abania Fates or Mhach Raid clears.
• Vexatious Memory is Far East Fates or Ivalice Raid clears.

[grand parcel]

long as my MuMe isn't scuffed I otally got this

[half halo]

Ok, thanks

[dreamy bane]

oh isnt preeing stone not part of gyr albania?

[kindred meteor]

it is

[dreamy bane]

i did a couple there, didnt get any so im guessing its not 100% rate anymore like HW was D:

have the 2nd quest active too

[odd yoke]

They're not

[dreamy bane]

ah rip

[kindred meteor]

no they're less then 50% it seems

[pine prawn]

How many memories, I need for second part?

[odd yoke]

<@&100464652139368448> maybe someone pin this idk

[formal niche]

[tough fern]

[warm bone]

[pine prawn]

Thank you

[prisma spade]

[mystic sinew]

[odd yoke]

[true sequoia]

[formal niche]

That picture of all of the Judge sets

Makes me profoundly sad

Because Striking looks like dogshit compared to everything else

No cape

No butt cape

[warm bone]

must be MNK

[pine prawn]

Is one timeworn artifact for DR or for each chest of DR?

[winged dune]

What’s the ilvl for the new relics?

[rough kestrel]

@formal niche Imagine being a SAM main and getting fucked because it shares with a class nobody gives a fuck about.

[odd yoke]

515

[rough kestrel]

Striking should just always be color swaps of Scouting

Like Maiming/Fensing

d*

[ember forum]

I feel bad fir melee, from what I've seen they always getvthe bqd looking gear xD

[rough kestrel]

The one time we came out on top is with Cryptlurker

[ember forum]

Healers/casters and tanks have probably the coolest looking

[rough kestrel]

But even other classes have that same cryptlurker set

So it isnt even unique

I'm hoping to find out it's like a bug

And it's suppose to have the waist cape

[ember forum]

Haha, hope never dies 😭

I think thats the final product

[shell merlin]

@ember forum fending is nice

We are melee too

Fending got one of the best

[viral dew]

[rough kestrel]

I'm calling it a bug, they need to fix it.

[brisk quail]

Do we have any inprogress/finished guides for Gogo yet?

[odd yoke]

Carnival?

[brisk quail]

Yep

[odd yoke]

Eerie soundwave, healing, Exuvation, Diamondback and flying Sardine mandatory

Dont attack during mimic

[brisk quail]

Tank mimic or healer mimic?

[odd yoke]

Sprint out of 3rd sap (healer mimic helps or precast loom)

I like healer in carnival

Cause you need to be full HP for Doom impending

And white wind too expensive

Interupt imps, heal to full doom impending and thats act 1

Act 2 is just Diamondback Meteors room wide in the centre and Exuvation off the debuffs from Icestorm

Once you have the required skills its not that hard

[brisk quail]

Didn't know the doom could be cleansed. It didn't have the cleanse bar

[odd yoke]

Its not

The mechanic is be full HP

If you're full HP it goes away

[brisk quail]

Yeah. So i need an actual heal

Not white wind

Gotcha

[odd yoke]

Yeah, why I like Healer mimic in carnival in general

Ontop of the speed buff

Just make sure you're topped before the cast goes off

[gaunt star]

you need to be full health, and the pom pure to removve the debuff

[odd yoke]

It removes itself if you're full

You can white wind prior but again its just very expensive

[gaunt star]

im struggling with the part 2 😦

[odd yoke]

Part 2 isnt that bad

Just dont be stupid with Pyretic

[subtle pasture]

...Huh, people weren't kiddin about BSF having trouble drops for the Loathsome Memories

[umbral quest]

So. What's lookin like the most effecient way to get loathsome memories?

[odd yoke]

People say raids

[umbral quest]

hell of a time sink, that

[odd yoke]

Welcome to relics

[umbral quest]

cry

[odd yoke]

Finally living up to their reason to exist

[maiden lodge]

It appears people have forgotten how relics have traditionally gone

[shell merlin]

SE said hold my beer and proceeded to beat us up

and we took it

should of said the 500 relics were hard

[strange wing]

Loathsome is a pretty good way to describe them.

[mellow portal]

Has anyone tried the savage ver

[shell merlin]

ye a lot have

on youtube and such as well

[mellow portal]

Ahh

[odd yoke]

And people streamed it

Xenos has been up to Knights Shield

There's 1v1s inside and its fucking wonderful

[unique verge]

So

I can confirm that CLL does drop 1 Loathsome at the end

[unreal wadi]

The dyeable versions

are augmented huh

for the sake of glam

[odd yoke]

The requirements for lord augments is

Alot

[unreal wadi]

Oh you fucking kidding me?

You need the augmented bozjan coat as well?!

[odd yoke]

Augmented Bojza gear + lord piece + upgrade

[unreal wadi]

FUCK OFF

[odd yoke]

just for haste btw

And dyes

[unreal wadi]

You're fucking kidding me

[odd yoke]

Here's your time sink nerds

[umbral quest]

I helped a friend when she decided to do an anima weapon. And I told her

"You know, the resistance weapons are easy compared to this"

I WAS A FOOL

MY HUBRIS

[odd yoke]

I mean the tasks are simple, just tedious

Like anima you're getting poetics, this you're getting the item straight up

[strange wing]

Well, this grind will keep people busy till 6.0

[dim sigil]

Do we knos how much of potd u gotta do yet

[odd yoke]

As relics are designed to do

[maiden lodge]

People complained it was too easy so far

[strange wing]

Thankfully, I have given up on this insanity. Imma just relax and casually level up an alt.

[brisk quail]

Something something wax wings

[maiden lodge]

Now things are at a normal amount of grind for relics

[plain sierra]

Good god those friggin' tornadoes Gogo summons are bullshit. You can't see anything through them

[dim sigil]

Its 816 alliance raids to get all

[plain sierra]

How do you even deal with that

[maiden lodge]

And people are complaining

[brisk quail]

Cry

[strange wing]

People will always complain.

[plain sierra]

i tried that, now what

[odd yoke]

Just turn your camera

[strange wing]

I am still complaining that I will never get a Castrum clear.

[dim sigil]

Making bozja the worst places to get stuff at sucks

[maiden lodge]

You know I swear more than 48 people are complaining they can't get a CLL clear

Man

maybe ya'll need to get together

[odd yoke]

You dont even need 48 people

Just 20

[strange wing]

Getting people together isn't a problem it's that Lyon smacks pugs around.

[maiden lodge]

It isn't, it's just the worst place to get things if you do it badly.

[odd yoke]

You can duo lyon

[maiden lodge]

Lyon's a joke

Here's the real tea

[odd yoke]

If it wasn't for damage you're taking i would bet on him being soloable

[maiden lodge]

The people who can't do CLL (which is actually Normal Raid tier difficulty) aren't going to have a good time in DR.

It won't get easier.