as thavnair is a netural ground between eorzea and the empire
#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
signal solar
radz at han
open verge
Estinen going through rad at hanz is the only mention of thavnir I think
signal solar
we might have something to do with jalzahn there on the next relic
open verge
And that was back in SB
gaunt star
Come to think of it, they could pull an Omega and make the moon the raid series.
signal solar
oh boy
severe brook
my guess is we'll get Thavnair as the first zone with Radz-at-Han, then have the rest of Ilsabard we haven't been to as the bulk of the expansion
have the next to last zone be Garlemald proper
and the last zone be the moon
heady shadow
minfillia's mum went there to hide
severe brook
that is my prediction, so far, for 6.0
open verge
Ilsabard will have a lot of small towns though right
heady shadow
after the 2.5 stuff
open verge
Like werlyt and terncliff
severe brook
i mean i'd imagine each region would have its own towns/hubs/locations
even though we've been to parts of Ilsabard already, it's still a very large place
signal solar
full terncliff map when
signal solar
!map
open verge
I would love to fly there too
signal solar
!worldmap
gaunt star
I could also see a civil war with the Empire making a large portion of the continent uninhabitable, perhaps through black rose. If that's the case, we really could be limited to 1-2 zones in Ilsabard which would open up tons of other places we could potentially go.
signal solar
!faq worldmap
lusty shadowBOT
severe brook
!faq worldmap
lusty shadowBOT
severe brook
yeah it's gone
gaunt star
If it's mentioned, it's never done.
open verge
No more production of it Atleast
That’s the entire reason gaius and estinen teamed up
severe brook
between, Gaius, Estinien, and Zenos, all of it's been destroyed and production is shut down.
open verge
Iirc
severe brook
and the First is no longer in danger of Rejoining
so even if it was used, it wouldn't be near as dangerous
open verge
Considering the funky shit they are doing with the weapons
Super soldiers wouldn’t suprise me 
I’m just looking for any excuse for them to make cloud
serene crest
Resonant echo is still a thing according to Bozja
open verge
Is it mass produced?
gaunt star
They just have a habit of going all "oh don't worry about this anymore" and then plucking that thread long after when they need a thing.
severe brook
Resonance isn't dependent on a million other things lining up to be dangerous
subtle pasture
Sounded like the Weapons are getting action due to Black Rose being unused, when even Ruby was an early prototype
hence it's deployment to Ghimlyt
severe brook
we'll probably get some more weird superscience stuff throughout 6.0, i imagine
Give us Proudclod
subtle pasture
...and also due to the Empire's fracturing and Valens going nutso
Well, he's been crazy, but no Emperor to hold him back, barely
gaunt star
And then there's Resonance.
serene crest
"Going" implies he wasn't to being with
open verge
They are gonna do a interpretation of the nifhelheim incident
severe brook
i mean the empire's working as Solus intended
some things are being brought back, i never said they wouldn't
but i don't think it makes any sense for Black Rose specifically to return as a threat, at least not for a long time
subtle pasture
bc we learned most the Legions have gone rogue, those vying for the Empire and those clinging to the territories they oversaw.
VIIth and IVth fall in the latter
viscid monolith
They can still Hypertune soldiers
open verge
Yeah that’s why they are trying to take dalmasca
viscid monolith
That's their mass produced super soldier program
open verge
Does the 4th care about bozja?
severe brook
yeah, they want bozja to be the seat of gabranth's new nation
viscid monolith
Maybe?
subtle pasture
Tbf the 4th still has both, the Resistance hasn't succeeded yet
severe brook
or at least a central part of it
torpid yoke
they care about dalmasca and boxja
subtle pasture
Well, they have Nalbina back, but that's it so far
viscid monolith
Gabranth has convinced his soldiers he cares about Bozja
That's all that matters
torpid yoke
the 4th also have a resonant machine and a scientist that actually knows how to use it
severe brook
I feel like Gabranth's probably sincere
torpid yoke
aulus's apprentice to be specific
gaunt star
Not to mention the red light of of a Resonant's eyes could be related to the red light of those new pillars in 5.4.
subtle pasture
Bozja will be the seat bc he wants the Lady of Blades to help his rule,
severe brook
though it'd be kind of funny if it turned out he was truly evil the whole time
open verge
I really don’t know when we deal with towers
subtle pasture
which is funny considering the trove of Lucavi there must be all over Dalmasca
severe brook
my guess is that a towers is either the 5.5 dungeon, or we deal with them in 6.0
maybe if there's a master control tower we can shut down to take them out or something, so we only need to deal with them once
subtle pasture
Dunno, there might be a central tower Somewhere™️ and that'll tell us where 6.0'll be?
aka in Ilsabard
torpid yoke
well we have tempering sucking pigs
gaunt star
I kind of get the impression the towers are going to be the new B-wall thing, where Yshtola heroically sacrifices herself so we don't have to deal with her pretending to die in 6.0
severe brook
because it'd be pretty awful if every dungeon in 6.0 was a tower
torpid yoke
so they can handle themselves while we go to garlemald to beat up zenos
subtle pasture
They could connect all the towers to a Babel and have that be the 6.0 raid
but that's prob too similar to Alex
or Babel as a central tower and be a 6.0 dungeon
open verge
Maybe that’s how they right these characters out of the story
torpid yoke
I kind of get the impression the towers are going to be the new B-wall thing, wh...
She will never die
open verge
😭please kill these characters or write them out
severe brook
why do you wish for their deaths
gaunt star
yes
severe brook
gaunt star
yshtola specifically because she tries to die every other patch
torpid yoke
Blitz you know alot of people in here just like death right?
subtle pasture
severe brook
yeah i know but i like to challenge it when it happens
Y'Shtola will become Zodiark's new Heart and have him fly the moon into space before going supernova.
open verge
Because Zenos only has chaos and destruction going for him
torpid yoke
They want deaths for the sake of deaths
open verge
I want to see Zenos fuck shit up
severe brook
she will then crashland back on Hydaelyn two expansions later.
open verge
!!
severe brook
you heard it here first.
subtle pasture
Hneslty could condense half the towers into one dungeon if there is a central one,
first boss in one, next boss in another, final in a control unit
just tping between
all, half, a third, literally just two-three
subtle pasture
Okay, tower dungeon to find their source in 5.5, party TPs to a central unit,
boom, they're in the Garlean capital,
tp'd back, someone stays behind, probably Shtola
gaunt star
I feel like I'm reaching to the moon with this, but what if those towers were analogous to the "swords" sticking out of Dalamud? Could something be buried deep underground, sealed by those towers?
torpid yoke
probably thancred
subtle pasture
sweat in nerves and anticipation til 6.0
torpid yoke
He's been there most than any of the others
gaunt star
Like if all of Eorzea were a freaking gacha ball containing a big nasty, the appearance of those towers and the knowledge that the "end of days" were trying to come about could work in a recursive way.
torpid yoke
it wouldnt be a seal it'd be more of a drill
subtle pasture
I deffo think there's a greater mystery to the Towers, simply disrupting, amplifying, or channeling aether is pretty rudimentary
torpid yoke
since they look garlean it has to be recent things
severe brook
my guess is that the towers are feeding aether to Zodiark, who is then shaping that aether into new primal-like beings such as Lunar Bahamut and perhaps a primal embodiment of Garlemald, if the stinger is anything to go by
subtle pasture
I really don't get that, "It's of Garlean make"
torpid yoke
IKR
subtle pasture
whaT IS GARLEAN ABOUT THIS
severe brook
okay it's not just me that it doesn't look Garlean at all right
torpid yoke
IT DONT LOOK GARLEAN AT ALL IDK WHERE YOU GOT THAT BUT OK
severe brook
like the only things they have that are organic metal like that are the Weapons, kind of
and those aren't really the standard for the empire's stuff
torpid yoke
Like god
severe brook
i still stand by that they look Mhachi if we were to compare them to anything pre-existing.
subtle pasture
It's too organic in shapes to be Allagan
torpid yoke
yea
subtle pasture
Mhach likewise uses more...
severe brook
and they don't have the glowing lines all over that Allagans love
open verge
What patch do they write ryne and gaia back into the story
gaunt star
This would be about when they'd bring out the Mhachi stuff, since they only finally resolved the Warriors of Darkness and have poked at the World of Darkness
severe brook
i mean Mhach also likes to put weird organic shapes and skeletal decorations on stuff
subtle pasture
not soon enough,
torpid yoke
5.5 as a send off
torpid yoke
then 8.0
spiral wagon
subtle pasture
Mhach was more.... whimsical? In a way,
severe brook
yeah i agree
subtle pasture
Dun Scaith's checkered flooring, springs to mind
serene crest
More spoopy skelleymans less actual bones
gaunt star
@open verge 5.5, when Gaia conveniently learns how to ascian travel the rift, and Ryne learns how to convert a coffee biscuit into a soul vessel so she can light-ascian travel the rift.
subtle pasture
Yeah, Weeping City and Dun Scaith were Karazhan as fuck,
severe brook
i just think that, if the towers are anything pre-existing, they'll turn out to have originated as some experimental Mhachi design/super-weapon
subtle pasture
Void Ark has an element of it between it's total
"built in wartime and desperation"
"also here's a circular room FILLED with coffins"
severe brook
with less whimsy for those same reasons as the Void Ark
that they were unfinished and built in desperation
subtle pasture
The closest match of the towers, like...
open verge
Considering how we easily got unukhalai to the first
open verge
Shouldn’t be too hard for gaia right?
subtle pasture
It's strange metal look
torpid yoke
Anyways i still think the towers are more mean to draw out dark polarity to make the beasts
subtle pasture
Yeah, they're part of Fandaniel's Final Days renactment, but I'm also like,
open verge
Gaia already has a VA
subtle pasture
totally stuck on how he took the name "Towers" from us,
open verge
Suprised they gave gaia a VA tbh
torpid yoke
or ya know just shoot zodiark with all that shit to make both the beasts and unweave the new laws
gaunt star
I could see it being potentially easy for gaia/ryne to travel to the Source, but I find it more likely they remain on the First to be convenient plot representatives later on.
subtle pasture
These ingenious devices, or "towers" as you call them"
severe brook
Unukalhai has already severed from his original body though
Gaia's still fully alive
so it'd be much harder for her to jump worlds
subtle pasture
Like bro aether funnels aren't anything new but tf is UP with your devices
I feel like if Alisaie hadn't simply called them "towers" he woulda divulged more of what they did,
unintentionally,
torpid yoke
nah i dont think he would have
gaunt star
Agreed, if he'd called them "beacons" then everyone would be asking "what're they trying to beacon"
torpid yoke
i think he still would have left it at ingenious devices
severe brook
"Yep towers sure that's what they are"
subtle pasture
yeah that's way too much what the exchange felt like
subtle pasture
The Final Days, as we know Lunar Bahamut is his "first beast"
open verge
Not fuckin zombies 😭
torpid yoke
Final days was about their deepest fears coming to life
severe brook
the Final Days was basically an apocalypse
gaunt star
Something caused creation magic going critical failure, and I assume that's what he means he's trying to cause again
severe brook
yeah made of worst fears made manifest
torpid yoke
which happened to be also because of their creation magics
subtle pasture
The Final Days as fears manifest, with Bahamut as the first beast, seems pretty on track
severe brook
my guess is that each Beast will embody a significant fear of people, starting with Bahamut because the Calamity is arguably the simplest and basest fear
open verge
Lunar bahamut is a reference right?
torpid yoke
Though do note they call it the final days but this event was creeping slowly across the land towards amarout
severe brook
something of raw destruction, that everyone knows to fear because it can kill you, but not much complexity beyond that
my guess is we'll get a Second Beast representing Garlemald itself somehow
torpid yoke
well creeping across the land not just towards amarout
subtle pasture
Hmm, what were the beasts again
severe brook
which, in terms of Biblical imagery that the Final Days is already drawing from, would line up some with the idea that some of the Beasts in Revelation are representing the Roman Empire
torpid yoke
In amarout or the bibble?
severe brook
in Amaurot, we had the First Beast that was just The First Beast
subtle pasture
As if to scour away all life, it called down a cataclysmic deluge.
Yet even its defeat did not halt the march of oblivion…```and was a weird lion-slug-centipede-dragon thing
that called down...meteors
oh
oh no
torpid yoke
In amarout its a wormy second was a bird creature and then the riddle
subtle pasture
I more mean off Emet's dialogue, yeah.
So the first beast is a calamity,
and so he made Bahamut, yeah that checks.
severe brook
so yeah Lunar Bahamut is kind of our First Beast
just a raw monstrous creature with no complexity
that calls down further destruction from above
the others will probably be more insidious
severe brook
the Second Beast was the Terminus Bellwether
open verge
I wonder if fandaniel can do the Star showers like elidibus did
pulsar yacht
hmm (trying to remember the dialog after the burn about aether depletion assuming that wasn't related to shb's msq/light on first)
severe brook
a creature that inspires fear and grows by feeding on it, and manifests other Terminus in service to itself.
open verge
Make people cry again
subtle pasture
which roared and made more beasts,
severe brook
my guess is "Primal Garlemald" will be the modern equivalent to Terminus Bellwether.
serene crest
severe brook
as constantly spreading disorder to feed on and spread more disorder fits the Empire pretty well.
and then that leaves Therion, who embodied the Ancients' own sins, whatever those were
torpid yoke
my guess is "Primal Garlemald" will be the modern equivalent to Terminus Bellwet...
Glory to garlemald
:)
severe brook
and was probably basically Creation Magick trying to create an answer to "what is making the Sound"
exactly
subtle pasture
Its gaze turns skyward, and fiery rain falls from the heavens…
Once the fear has taken root, it cannot be expunged…
As if feeding upon the horror, the beast bloats…then shivers…then ruptures…
Yet this was far from the worst of it. Come, and I will show you…```Garlemald’s story about the Burn is that it was caused by oversummoning. We discover that it’s actually caused by an Allagan device made to drain the entire region of aether.
subtle pasture
Solus zos Galvus lead the Imperial troops across the Burn, but ultimately their walkers couldn't handle the sands (the journey was too far for airships), so they retreated.
pulsar yacht
yeah for azys lla. cold have sworn there was mention of sound of the planet in sb
subtle pasture
However, they found ancient ruins of a civilization starved and destroyed by Eikons,
pulsar yacht
probably misremembering
subtle pasture
and so Solus pledged to wipe out any eikon blah blah blah
Of course, what they really found was what was left of the facilities used to harvest land for Azys Lla
gaunt star
Did they ever specify where the ancients got their creation magic from?
severe brook
it's said to be something they have naturally
torpid yoke
nope
severe brook
from birth
torpid yoke
a gift from the star you could say
severe brook
maybe we'll find out that someone unlocked it for them, but for now we know nothing
gaunt star
That just seems like something intentionally left vague
Especially when we know it can go awry
torpid yoke
and was probably basically Creation Magick trying to create an answer to "what i...
are you saying therion was their creation magic on them trying to figure out what the sound was?
subtle pasture
From the depths of despair, the last harbinger arose…
Its voice was fulgent destruction, and none could stand in its path.```that's my guess because i don't think they ever actually confronted the true source of the sound
subtle pasture
First Beast was a Calamity, Second Beast was a Bellwether spawning other beasts, Third Beast was from the depths of despair, with a voice of fulgent destruction
severe brook
that's why Therion's referred to as "The Chthonic Riddle"
torpid yoke
summoning a god?
severe brook
it's a false answer to the question of the Sound
torpid yoke
perhaps
the telophi made therion
ya know if they actually existed in ancient times
gaunt star
And speaking of Ultima, I don't think they ever went back to the Heart of Sabik; the component the Allagans didn't fully understand
sabik confirmed last boss 6.0 on the moon, you read it here first
open verge
Duck is sabik
subtle pasture
The irony of a Bellwether as the second beast is the warning sign coming after it's already well begun, especially with a Calamity,
Fan himself plays the role, notably
severe brook
Sabik's a star in the Ophiucus/Serpentarius constellation
serene crest
It's a kind of auracite. Werlyt stuff mentions that the Weapons use synthetic auracite to mimic what the Heart of Sabik was doing.
severe brook
Fandaniel being the Bellwether would put him in a similar role to the Second Beast/False Prophet in Revelation
subtle pasture
"Sabik" is/was highly likely to be Elidibus' true name as a result,
doubt we'll get that closure 
severe brook
who is described as both the second in command of the First Beast (figure referred to as the Antichrist colloquially) and as a lamb with dragon's horns/voice
which kind of fits Bellwether being like some weird dragon sheep thing
subtle pasture
Huh, so that really does make him the Second Beast then, does it
torpid yoke
could zenos be the third beast?
subtle pasture
It sounds like Fandaniel's intent but he knows all Zenos wants is a duel with us
To the extent of threatening him when he mentioned singeing us a little with Lunar
torpid yoke
fandanny barely cared though
subtle pasture
The Undying is still on the table though
severe brook
i imagine Zenos, symbolically, will be the First Beast of the Revelation/The Devil, at least in terms of narrative
torpid yoke
i shall watch my tounge winky face
severe brook
Zenos has kind of had his Undying moment with Shinryu
subtle pasture
True, true.
severe brook
personally, i don't think merging with Zodiark is going to go so well for him as Shinryu did
which will keep things from playing out too similarly
subtle pasture
I could see him doing a Zodi merge if he believes we've merged with Hydaelyn in our next meeting,
depends how much Light is lingering
For one thing he'd see our new +1 soul density
severe brook
i don't think any Wardens' Light is lingering in us
we have grown stronger in other methods though
both from natural growth/experience, and from rejoining with Ardbert
torpid yoke
we dont have any lingering light both ryne and yshtola confirm
but we have a more complete soul
subtle pasture
And attuning with our Azem Crystal, though pretty certain that didn't bring any memories,
Do got Azem's incantation though
severe brook
The Azem Crystal?
subtle pasture
For me it'd "break story" if WoL did get Azem's memories, but I'm pretty certain Emet didn't have the chance
gaunt star
wol uses azem incantation on Zenos It's super effective!
subtle pasture
er, have the chance to inscribe their memories, just the incantation,
story isn't explicit on that front,
Azem's Constellation Crystal
severe brook
i mean honestly I don't think it's served any other purpose besides letting Emet-Selch's soul manifest one last time to get us out of the Chrysalis
like i don't think it'll become our Duty Finder in-universe or anything, even
torpid yoke
I feel like its more like he didnt see the need to since he's entrusting us to be the new stewards
severe brook
it was just a homing beacon of sorts, letting Hades find us and arrive
torpid yoke
and not just be raised up
subtle pasture
I think the crystal is there for moments of desperation, but I wouldn';t expect it to activate again til like,
however we dispatch Fandaniel
severe brook
the only other part, maybe, is it'll turn out Zodiark's heart requires Ascian presence to access
subtle pasture
aka reserve it for vs Ascians
severe brook
and we'll technically count now due to having received the Crystal
gaunt star
I can't help but feel that Azem incantation was more of an Emet-selch failsafe, rather than a metauniversal god-spell. He knew what would happen if the WOL bested him.
torpid yoke
inb4 every ascian we kill we put a little of their essense in the crystal
making it so we can call them once
subtle pasture
The Incantation simply brought Azem's friends to their side when they needed aid,
aka DF spell
and it activated to bring Hades to snap us out of the Chrysalis
torpid yoke
i honestly think it's just DF spell and desperate moments
though i don't think we will call hades again or anything
subtle pasture
the question reall is if it can cross stars and shit,
but Hades was in the First's lifestream,
torpid yoke
Hades is a special case kinda with his connection to the underworld
subtle pasture
so I think it is not beyond the current shard
--that as well, plus his completeness would be, hm,
an easy soul to draw to?
torpid yoke
Who knows
severe brook
I'm pretty sure it's mostly a one time thing
subtle pasture
Definitely chalk off the Azem CC as "rule of cool"
torpid yoke
the hades thing yea
severe brook
or we'll get a scene of us trying to use it, and then the big threat we're fighting destroys it
and then we do it on our own and call all our friends to us
because the real Azem was inside us all along
torpid yoke
i say let the man rest ( even though i want him to be in my head chiding me every time we seem to falter XD)
gaunt star
asking the most important thing, when is my choice of guardian at character creation going to matter
torpid yoke
or we'll get a scene of us trying to use it, and then the big threat we're fight...
I mean we used it once do we really need the crystal to do it again?
severe brook
asking the most important thing, when is my choice of guardian at character crea...
it'll matter when it turns out the Twelve minus Azem were Hydaelyn's other summoners besides Venat and it determines which one talks to us
subtle pasture
assuming there are other red masks in the Telopohoroi, ofc 
torpid yoke
( also i dont want it to brake i want it as a necklace)
subtle pasture
inb4 Venat ejected herself a la Elidibus, was sundered,
and those pieces are the Twelve
Er, sundered herself,
...
severe brook
yeah i don't that think works as well lol
severe brook
hydaelyn/venat has no reason to have ejected her heart
subtle pasture
That we know of 
but yeah, Venat is either still there or a mystery
the Voice of the Mother sorta complicated things on that front
severe brook
my guess is that she is still in Hydaelyn, but has been there for so long that Venat is basically gone/subsumed
look at what happened to Elidibus, who was in Zodiark for a much shorter time
subtle pasture
Zodiark also had far more voices to distort him, esp over the eons
ie Y'sthola's "you who draws your strength from a cacophony of voices"
which is to say, Venat has a far smaller pool, this we know.
severe brook
he is much larger, but even so i think the amount of time would have an effect
subtle pasture
the last 15% of HvZ mysteries must be Hydaelyn-centric and I AM INTRIGUED
did Minfilia know the truth after she became the Voice or did she believe Hydaelyn's abridged version that omits the Ancients
That also makes Hydaelyn and Zodiark two primordial entities and not primals derived of the Will of the Star
etc, etc
regal lantern
Does ffxiv have any primordial entities so far? My only guess is Ultima of the high seraph
subtle pasture
She's an extra dimensional which puts her in the tier with Omega and Midgardsormir
aka "basically real aliens"
All three are likely ancient and arrived sometime 0 era
open verge
The four lords weren’t primals right
subtle pasture
which reminds me, all we know of 0 era is the fall of the 13th and birth of the 12
and I'm still 
if those two events are connected
severe brook
nah the Four Lords are auspices
animals that have lived for a thousand years, granting them further supernatural powers
the Lords in particular have notable power and longevity even amongst auspices, which makes them much stronger but also much more destructive when overwhelmed by aramitama
subtle pasture
Oh, but 5.4 did give that the Fall of the 13th is what caused the Shards to incline one way or another
which is, a huge addition to world lore
The First isn't Light-inclined bc its proximity to the Source, but its distance from the Thirteenth
etc, etc
forest magnet
Does ffxiv have any primordial entities so far? My only guess is Ultima of the h...
don't Hydaelyn and Zodiark count
regal lantern
They’re not primordial entities in the true sense
forest magnet
what's a true sense then?
subtle pasture
More wondering if any entities predate the Ancients
forest magnet
they're literally the oldest primals in existence
subtle pasture
which is, a huge ???
subtle pasture
Perhaps, he was already an adult when he arrived on Hydaelyn
forest magnet
He's the only thing that could be/can be as old or older than H/Z
subtle pasture
and by dragon lifecycles, that'd put him still Fucking Old years old
regal lantern
what's a true sense then?
Well technically it’d be an entity that existed from the beginning of time. For example time itself would be considered a primordial entity if it gets personified.
forest magnet
Well technically it’d be an entity that existed from the beginning of time. For ...
we don't
topaz dune
so, since Hydaelyn and Zodi are the oldest primals, Middy & Omega are basiclly foreign entities not native to the star itself
subtle pasture
Like how the greatest civilization in lore would actually go to whoever made Omega.
subtle pasture
oh, but for native to our Star, yeah still Ancients.
regal lantern
Hydaelyn and Zodiark are just primals, sure they’re insanely strong and perhaps completely different to our usual primals but they’re still primals ergo they’re just carbuncles, carbuncles made by Ancients
viscid monolith
Impossible to know
maiden lodge
they're literally the oldest primals in existence
If a civilization builds a robot, and then the civilization dies, but the robot remains,the robot (or any other product of that civilization), no matter how powerful, is not primordial.
The existance of the civilization is sufficient to prove their products are not primordial.
forest magnet
Yeah so now it's just Zodiark or Middy/Omega
subtle pasture
And Hydaelyn, of course
viscid monolith
Midgardsormr is definitely older than Omega
forest magnet
Zodiark is older than Hydaelyn
maiden lodge
Zodiark is older than Hydaelyn
Not by any meaningful measure salient to the argument
subtle pasture
fuckin' Ancients
forest magnet
or 2000
or 2 million who the fuck knows
when you live forever
whats a day to a century
subtle pasture
Extremely Long Lived-- but yeah Lahabrea and Hades were well past their 13 thousands so uh
huh, I'd consider 5000 to be "extremely long lived" but yeah we're prob more talking in the 10's of thousands
severe brook
huh
has anyone compared the Ascians and Nidhogg in that way?
that them being so long-lived probably makes the time since the Final Days feel much more recent to them compared to us.
now granted, it probably doesn't feel like "yesterday" as Nidhogg's been compared to
subtle pasture
Midgardsormir arrived post-Sundering and his clutch hatched on Hydaelyn, so all of the First Brood would be less than 13000 years old
not to say when they were laid, or how long he and omega traveled through the Rift
which is, on its own, a Fucking Long Time™️
When Omega says it's detecting 7 life signs alongside Middy's I guess the eggs could have been unlaid for another thing,
severe brook
yeah i think midgardsormr might be one of the only ones with a comparable sense of time to the unsundered
subtle pasture
we only have the vaguest grasps of dragon biology
tl;dr was Middy pregnant during that flight or carrying his 7 eggs externally 
severe brook
both possibilities have their own pros and cons
easier to go hurtling through space if you don't have to physically hold onto your kids for dear life
but also
being pregnant is a pain
subtle pasture
pros: plently of space in his massive noodle body
cons: no limbs
well, no appendages??
whichever is the term for arms and legs vs wings.
gaunt star
What I wonder is this, everytime a shard is destroyed does that mean an entire universe is also being destroyed? I mean there's stars and stuff so there's gotta be other galaxies with life out there
viscid monolith
No
serene crest
Shards and rejoinings seem to be a feature of our planet alone
viscid monolith
As far as we know shards are a pocket dimension that extend out as far as the moon
severe brook
the extent of the Sundered System seems to go out just past the moon
viscid monolith
Shards don't contain an entire universe
serene crest
(Also Midgardsormr and Omega are examples of alien life)
gaunt star
Ooh ok, always confused me
Middy and Omega being aliens was neat to me
So let's just build a giant rocket and take everyone to another planet
Checkmate Fannydanny
subtle pasture
Middy and Omega traveled so long, Omega exhausted all but 4% of its energy reserves,
unclear if it recovered any but there's a chance it did everything it did in the Omega raid on that 4% too
for an idea of how far it must have gone while expending 96% of its power
viscid monolith
It did repair itself
Midgardsormr on the other hand was never quite the same
His fire permanently went out
The same way a father's flowing hair thins out
turbid aspen
grandpa middy
wind bough
Tiamat:
In a time before time, my father did come to this star, bearing seven eggs.
Midgardsormr:
From these eggs did my children hatch. And once they were full-grown, they took wing and spread across all the lands of Hydaelyn.
wind bough
Starlight event letters confirm Gaia got a Skyslipper
tropic frigate
its probably just stuff thats already happened for the title futures rewritten or something
pine epoch
Its memories of ryne and gaia
quasi zodiac
Just seems insanely out of place now
pine epoch
Probably meant to represent gaia ascian past
quasi zodiac
Maybe? But thats pretty stupid to use Laha there
tropic frigate
i dunno if its even laha
pine epoch
Without spoiling who gaia was or who shes with
tropic frigate
white coat and the mask is still close to elidibus
pine epoch
It's not white
tropic frigate
its not?
pine epoch
The cloak is black with light shining down on the hood
tropic frigate
to me it looks white
dawn wave
does anyone know the name of the group fandaniel said he was part of? starts with T i think?
carmine basin
Telephoroi
open verge
Telephoroi maybe refers to the summons?
Like that’s what group lunar bahamut is also a part off
gusty quest
Why were they being called cheaters
heady shadow
something about marker placements in alex ultimate
gusty quest
Ah I see
heady shadow
ye, which made them ''fix'' how markers worked in battle
had nothing to do with them being from gilgamesh na CD or anything at all.
gusty quest
Like that's ever stopped the dataminers
heady shadow
The time has come.
they did have the stuff for the ulti fight itself but Im pretty sure tps was legit th whole time
they just used their brains because the fight tested your know how for the alex raids too
autumn heron
Wait zoom into the school badge
heady shadow
ye
autumn heron
I cant see what nation that is
forest magnet
it's ishgard
ripe flint
Same.
polar chasm
wet crown
I didn't expect Anogg to be a machine
and the white cocoon thing gives me Drakengard flashbacks
carmine basin
Anogg is probably ishgard
Fun fact the twin have alma and ramza's hair in the data before this patch
gaunt star
I hated ramzas eye models for the longest in that questline
iron scaffold
I hate Ramza since the start of the questline
I had urge to slap him everytime he has an attitude in dialogue.
forest magnet
whats with his eye model?
wary perch
dawn basin
i said this during sapphire and ill say here
Valens Van Varro is a
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGw0gxBsoYo&ab_channel=UMAD%3F%3F%3F%3F
gusty quest
His head looks like a soddin tic tac
carmine basin
Hello
serene crest
H-hewwo?
carmine basin
WOOF WOOF
kindred rampart
wouldn't be surprised if that's the savage dungeon reward
night spindle
multi passenger? poggers
serene crest
Cleric Stance flashbacks
final isle
mostly the good part is you don't have to turn it off when you need to heal
gaunt star
Wait it costs mana
gaunt star
final isle
and then on
serene crest
2500 cost 😵
sharp scroll
any relic leaks? o:
serene crest
Patch isn't up yet
near oar
Until you can download the patch, no much info
thin hemlock
is there gonna be story content?
final isle
no
serene crest
For the Save the Queen quests, yes. Main story, no.
final isle
MSQ is only major patches, and for x.5 they will split it into 2 parts usually
grizzled star
so do we think the puppy mount is going to be BLU or savage bozja raid
deep vector
I think it’ll be the savage boz
gaunt star
^
final isle
personally I think it'll be a BLU mount cause it's blue, and they'll have another mount for savage they haven't revealed yet to keep the surprise(spoiler mount maybe?)
devout helm
Ughh, it’ll be a pain to level blue mage x-x
carmine basin
Cerb mount is listed as 2.x 5.x content while all the blue ones are 4.x
So very likely to be Bozja
devout helm
Smart.
gaunt star
This is just for DR
polar star
Oh I know
gaunt star
wat, u didnt enjoy the portal snipers? 😛
polar star
But I'm glad to see they implemented it for DR
This also means there will be no instance troubles
And we actually get an alliance list inside
Which is fucking amazing
gaunt star
Any 6 alliance gamers in chat
polar star
Yes.
gaunt star
Sup
devout helm
I just wonder how constantly DR and DR Savage will happen
polar star
I have a feeling that they'll tie the random substat rolls to DR
echo hinge
didn;t they say it would be entered via que or something like that
devout helm
didn;t they say it would be entered via que or something like that
Like Castrum?
grizzled star
is there a chance the cerb mount is the dreaded 3 mil mgp mount?
devout helm
It would only be 2.X if that was the case
polar star
There are no 3 mil mounts if you put the time in to grind them.
grave raft
I just wonder how constantly DR and DR Savage will happen
for DR savage, probably scheduled runs/progs.
devout helm
Similar to how Ocean Fishing is scheduled?
polar star
There's no possible way it's actually going to be savage level difficulty.
lusty herald
is there a chance the cerb mount is the dreaded 3 mil mgp mount? <:namazuconcern...
I'd assume that seeing as it's blue and a monster and Blu is getting an update it's for them
polar star
They're going to add an easy mode comparable to a normal alliance raid and then the 48 man which will barely even be extreme level
grave raft
no, player scheduled runs. I'm pretty sure some eureka based discord would branch out for that reason.
vague current
itll be the same difficulty as BA on savage
carmine basin
Cerb mount is listed as 2.x 5.x content while all the blue ones are 4.x
It's likely not blue
polar star
and what if it is <:AnimeBwunnieSIP:795170699659444225>
Well I mean the savage fights this tier are pretty easy outside of 12.
devout helm
I'd assume that seeing as it's blue and a monster and Blu is getting an update i...
Someone mentioned that the Cerb Mount was listed as “5.X” and not “4.X” (All Blue Mage content is 4.X), so it’s probably Bozjan
final isle
yeah the version does make it look like it wouldn't be BLU mount
devout helm
Well I mean the savage fights this tier are pretty easy outside of 12.
They are easy and everyone still fails to do Voidgate 2 😭
grave raft
this is the last step of the relic, right?
devout helm
... 😭
polar star
No
grave raft
ahhh okay thanks
polar star
The last stage is 5.55
final isle
there's one more step in x.5 that'll put it on par with savage weapons or so, usually
polar star
Same ilvl with 5 materia slots and 5 possible random substats is always better than a given 2 substats and 2 materia slots.
pine epoch
Abandoning lore spoilers for now until pointless bickering ends there
versed storm
any word on which blu spells are required for the 60-70 job quests?
devout helm
Not sure
polar star
The patch hasn't even released yet relax mate
versed storm
lol oops
exotic galleon
Wait, so there's only one way this time to farm the new relic step? Only inside the Front?
candid sorrel
yo where the liveleaks at
unreal wadi
my man, you're too early
candid sorrel
you cant have any in this discord right?
unreal wadi
Wait, so there's only one way this time to farm the new relic step? Only inside ...
nope
there will be other ways
devout helm
How many spells are they adding to blue mage even?
polar star
I still think that relics not being completely tied to the front is dumb.
unreal wadi
How many spells are they adding to blue mage even?
24, from a datamine
fast tusk
I'm only at R8, but from what it sounds like, 24-man delubrum is r10 content?
exotic galleon
it was even mentioned on the patch notes
Nvm I'm blind
versed hill
To proceed
exotic galleon
Thanks
polar star
I'm only at R8, but from what it sounds like, 24-man delubrum is r10 content?
you need to be r10 to even do the quest to unlock it
devout helm
24, from a datamine
Is it known what enemy will give the spell?
versed hill
Wait, so there's only one way this time to farm the new relic step? Only inside ...
No but Castrum clear is required for the new steps
unreal wadi
Is it known what enemy will give the spell?
yes
vale elm
Nothing wrong with the relic being obtainable outside of Bozja as long as they continue the trend of it being faster to farm inside
final isle
datamine info isn't supposed to be posted because SE doesn't want it, but yeah the early datamine has the spells and their locations, just not their effects
candid sorrel
which discord has the datamined stuff
devout helm
Got it, guess I’ll look for that.
candid sorrel
balanced?
final isle
most of them removed it, I think google probably can find it though
grave raft
outside and inside of bozja lol
candid sorrel
poosey
topaz dune
as said earlier, theres only 3 or 4 options of how the BA2 story will play out that i can think of
exotic galleon
No but Castrum clear is required for the new steps
Oh. So I am forced to do It even if I managed to avoid It all this time?
polar star
Why do you want leaks so bad
deep vector
Leaks are nice
grave raft
same feels, please kill misija.
candid sorrel
wheres misija redemption arc
topaz dune
again these are only 4 speculations in mind
unreal wadi
never
versed hill
No redemption for eyeliner girl
deep vector
Never probably
candid sorrel
roe goddess can never be forsakened
unreal wadi
no redemption for the one who took all the blades
deep vector
Bitch is psycho
unreal wadi
unreal wadi
topaz dune
though Gabranth may have something up his sleeve before we axe Misija
versed hill
Imagine if 6.0 raids is FF12 themed
topaz dune
polar star
Holy fuck maybe I'll crit Confiteor for once
deep vector
Im thinking that or it just turns you into a minion or something
versed hill
what if its like moon flute
vale elm
Pld can't use it
deep vector
Probably
versed hill
15 seconds you cant cast anything
vale elm
Gamblers is dps only
polar star
Fuck
deep vector
Get naed naed
polar star
forever stuck with 0% Confiteor crit rate
hallow lodge
hehehe... the housing discord is freaking out. over 1 peice of furniture. this thing. we want an egg.
final isle
they'll probably have a tank essence though
wispy bolt
Is Gambler the new ranged DPS is 6.0!?
polar star
no
wispy bolt
Dice weapon!?
final isle
but it says they have special effects, so I fully expect you'll just randomly Doom yourself every now and then
versed hill
Doom seems too harsh
final isle
Esunable doom
deep vector
Esuna-aboe doom
versed hill
Considering the raise restrictions
vale elm
The buff is super OP tho
versed hill
Esunable doom is too lenient
deep vector
Able*
versed hill
I feel like its gonna be Moon Flute
vale elm
It's probably worth having to waste raises to get on people
deep vector
Make it a 3sec doom
versed hill
20 seconds you cant do anything
deep vector
Boom, no longer lenient
unreal wadi
Holy fuck maybe I'll crit Confiteor for once
PLD will never crit, just like my e8s runs
final isle
so you'll have DPS spamming <se.1> DOOM ESUNA PLS 10SECS TO DEATH <se.2> DOOM ESUNA PLS 9SECS TO DEATH
unreal wadi
with PLD
final isle
like the good ole days of WAR in ARR
vale elm
1% chance you get hit with an ozma meteor
gaunt star
I just wonder how constantly DR and DR Savage will happen
You'll be anle to queue for another as soon as one is over, from the looks of it. But savage has a soft-lockout in the form of mettle
rain badger
Like a mount or something?
polar star
Cursed e11s 
gaunt star
We dont know what br savage results are yet
deep vector
polar star
I only get good crit rates in prog
topaz dune
topaz dune
BA 2 hype
gaunt star
A while back
topaz dune
gaunt star
Not sure how legitimate it is
versed hill
Better not be that cerberus mount
gaunt star
patch up
polar star
Ozma will still be more valuable
oak pike
damn need to be rank 15 for savage
polar star
Because less people even know BA exists
oak pike
im like a full level behind
polar star
I'm rank 14
gaunt star
cosmic condor
gaunt star
Did patch drop?
polar star
Oh, the omega emotes
versed hill
Ye
polar star
Shame I'll never have them.
gaunt star
Yea we broke
polar star
Not broke, just a minor.
robust atlas
Alright where do I get all of the new spells
polar star
Which technically equates to broke.
versed hill
Gib relic
oak pike
well i just want to see what the relic weapons will look like since people said they may change how it will look
devout helm
Alright where do I get all of the new spells
I need to know as well
sharp scroll
dnc relic
polar star
Patch hasn't released yet chill
versed hill
Its out
polar star
What??
warm sable
I haven't been excited for ffxiv since .....SHB was announced lol
gaunt star
Patch is available to download
pulsar lagoon
Download is live, yep! Still takes time tho
warm sable
So I'm excited for blue mage
polar star
Pog we are all nighting
sharp scroll
I haven't been excited for ffxiv since .....SHB was announced lol
this is a mood
gaunt star
But maintenance is not over
devout helm
Pog we are all nighting
Woooo
livid oracle
those BLU spells look fine, but honestly, I doubt they will replace our current ones
versed hill
More primal spells
pulsar yacht
404mb on pc
devout helm
^
gaunt star
Any mustard bomb gamers in chat
devout helm
More primals 😄
unique verge
Nightbloom might replace Glass Dance
livid oracle
do we get more slots, because I don't wanna give up my current toolkit
maybe if Omega's Fist is fuckhuge
sharp scroll
night bloom is so pretty
livid oracle
maybe
gaunt star
Water thing might replace boost (or the other one)?
livid oracle
spooky is what it is
unique verge
That looks almost like the shit that Karasu does
hoary dirge
Gonna spook ya
gaunt star
Its the emote that the lalas in THM guild do
sharp scroll
it’s purr
floral knot
/malevolence
warm sable
Gonna spook ya
No it's begging
gaunt star
Im not typing malovelence everytime
eager fox
I need that new hairstyle first
sharp scroll
spare change
sharp scroll
when is blu gonna get spare change or gil toss
polar star
I have yet to get a download prompt on muh ps4
gaunt star
Pc gang
tame schooner
On console it's still not up for reasons.
gaunt star
✌️
tame schooner
But PC was updated asap.
livid oracle
it's usually up first on consoles. It's nice to have it switched this time!
unique verge
"Please note that 78,000 mettle is still required even when repeating this quest." oh man, people are gonna be fucking salty about this
livid oracle
gaunt star
I hope it doesnt consume it
vale elm
which quest is that
livid oracle
the mettle requirement is for savage
maiden lodge
"Please note that 78,000 mettle is still required even when repeating this quest...
'but i was told i would never need to go into bozja everrrrrr'
dry remnant
the savage run requires 700k
floral knot
Both have mettle requirements.
maiden lodge
the mettle requirement is for savage
That mettle requirement is for a weekly quest
gaunt star
78k is for a quest
gaunt star
... a weekly quest???
warm sable
i hope the new dnc relic is fans
unique verge
Regardless, its funny. Everyone said "You'll never need rank 15 for anything"
gaunt star
For what
sharp scroll
https://tenor.com/view/mileena-kitana-mk11-mileena-vs-kitana-mk11-gif-19081060
YES PLEASE
livid oracle
i'll just buy the revelation weapon and stop at 500 for bozja weps
sharp scroll
i’ve been asking for those for forever
gaunt star
You technically dont need rank 15
maiden lodge
Also, CLL mandatory for next stage of relic
dry remnant
do we have datamines for what the new relics look like?
cosmic condor
For weapon outside
gaunt star
You just need 700k mettle
maiden lodge
Get dunked Ishgard-farmers
warm sable
I would like DNC fans to be kitana fans too!
gaunt star
Oh wait nvm
unique verge
78k
gaunt star
It has a r15 requirement
sharp scroll
fans would be so unique
unique verge
not 700k
gaunt star
Balmerick
mystic heath
gaunt star
You're talking about something else
devout helm
It has a r15 requirement
What has an R15 requirement
mystic heath
There's your Cerb horn
unique verge
Oh
dry remnant
quest is 78k ya, the savage run has 700k requirement
versed hill
Only Savage has R15 requirement
dry remnant
aka rank 15
gaunt star
You're kidding me
vale elm
it says in the patch notes that Savage requires 700k & r15
gaunt star
It gives it for clearing??
mystic heath
yes
scarlet kestrel
damn
gaunt star
sharp scroll
those would look so good on dnc
maiden lodge
not 700k
78k is for the weekly quest relating to the relic, somehow.
700k is for savage
unique verge
Hmm
versed hill
Also <#742643125981413447>
This is that channel
unique verge
My god
versed hill
maiden lodge
It's in two different parts
mystic heath
It gives it for clearing??
Yes, and if you're dead at the end, you won't get it.
hollow vessel
So just like Ozma
oak pike
so resistance weapons will have a weekly lock ?
mystic heath
Yes
dry remnant
i gotta grind to 15 in bozja, im like rank 11 or 12 ffs
gaunt star
Can anyone find the hud display for the cerberus and find the seat number?
oak pike
weird
maiden lodge
so resistance weapons will have a weekly lock ?
Not necessarily.
mystic heath
i gotta grind to 15 in bozja, im like rank 11 or 12 ffs
same. I want the new 4 person
devout helm
Same here Lycilla
final isle
anima has a weekly quest for one of the items
gaunt star
This is that channel
Well im dumb
gaunt star
Yes, and if you're dead at the end, you won't get it.
Wuh oh
I thought I saw people being held in the mounts' mouth :(
maiden lodge
It's probably similar to past relics having a step that had mats you grinded for, but you'd also get through a weekly quest
pulsar yacht
So just like Ozma
you can be dead on ozma kill, you just have to be in the arena and not yeeted back to base camp
gaunt star
@gaunt star they updated the kount since then
dry remnant
I thought I saw people being held in the mounts' mouth :(
that was the datamines, it was cooler that way, but i guess they changed it
gaunt star
Damn
maiden lodge
anima has a weekly quest for one of the items
It has multiple.
dry remnant
idk how much time im gonna have for bozja this week since im rying to clear e12s
and probably am gonna clear it
but fuck
do we know the new ilv for the relic?
polar star
What mechanic are you on
sharp scroll
515?
gaunt star
Damn im gonna die
final isle
I only remember the weekly 18stone for 3 leveling roulette one on anima, but maybe yeah
pulsar yacht
I'm backuping up my install before mining
dry remnant
What mechanic are you on
lions enrage, but my new static is 7/8 cleared
sharp scroll
isn’t it the same as the trial weapon
dry remnant
so its literally just me progging
marsh osprey
Is the new raid a duty?
gaunt star
If i see any assholes in DRs im gonna rescue them so they die before we clear
marsh osprey
not the savage one
final isle
point was the relic having a weekly doesn't mean it's weekly gated, just that you have a weekly quest to get whatever item you need for that step
pulsar yacht
pretty sure it's 515 because of 5.45 final step
marsh osprey
The normal raid
polar star
Where are the leaks coming from
gaunt star
From the download
maiden lodge
point was the relic having a weekly doesn't mean it's weekly gated, just that yo...
This.
gaunt star
The PC download
marsh osprey
Datamining and patchnotes
maiden lodge
And because it's .45, it's probably the 'select your stats' step
polar star
No where can I find them
oak pike
yeah if you have tools to find it you can search
dry remnant
patch notes are on the lodestone rest is like
scattered unless you're datamining yourself
polar star
I'm ps4
oak pike
F
polar star
:)
gaunt star
I require more datamines (cuz im stoopid and dont know how to datamine)
ashen sluice
ps4 patch isn't up yet
raw flame
is cerberus new feast reward?
modern terrace
Bozja
ashen sluice
no it's for clearing delubrum savage
tame schooner
Bozja Savage.
vale elm
cerebus is from clearing DR savage
modern terrace
Savage
devout helm
I wanna know blue mage stuff xD
raw flame
oh
winged jackal
Is there data mining on how the new relics look?
oak pike
so the relic gonna be 515 ilvl no materia slots but custom stats ?
maiden lodge
meanwhile me salivating over the blue mage glowies
winged jackal
Is this channel a good place to wait for updates?
mint axle
Imagine hello world 1 and 2 with blue mages
polar star
One is Biscuit Aureus and the other is Biscuit Centrifugal. Both from Ultros.
devout helm
blues get a title for completing o4s o8s o12s
Where are ya finding out about this o.o
marble yarrow
Datamining
grizzled star
Miners, is the new hairstyle bozja clusters? 🥺
tame schooner
On console now several updates are dropping together. @polar star So maybe they just forgot to pop it. XD
gaunt star
Also is there any relevance to having augmented gear
marble yarrow
I just wanna know what the new rewards for CLL are gonna be
gaunt star
Please tell me im gonna make money off this crap
maiden lodge
I just wanna know what the new rewards for CLL are gonna be
That's probably not client side unless there's a new item
vale elm
fast tusk
Have any models / item icons been posted for the new relics?
polar star
On console now several updates are dropping together. <@!361669152802471945> So ...
not getting any
floral knot
I think they tried to do a bit too much there.
maiden lodge
Okay that's nice
digital forge
Moogle event tomestones 
maiden lodge
Trongabriel
oak pike
oh i thought it was gonna be a meme that it is a shiny Gabriel
tame schooner
not getting any
Ye, for FFXIV it's still not up. But since I got just now some updates on ps5, maybe it's just scheduled for a specific hour. Like 7 ST.
pulsar yacht
wait what
polar star
I should probably sleep.
gaunt star
oh i thought it was gonna be a meme that it is a shiny Gabriel
ME TOO
Thats gonna look dope in the night time
pulsar yacht
Law's Order step is only 510. augmented (relic) is 515
ripe flint
So do the new relics have new models?
gaunt star
Whats laws order
unborn ruin
do we know where the shiny gabriel is from? again boxes?
pulsar yacht
laws order is the name of the combat 510 step
gaunt star
stare
dry remnant
do we know what the relics look like
oak pike
I hope that they adjust the lockbox reward