retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[dim sigil]

Yeah I guess I should know better

[bold condor]

I mean

No

I mean G-Warrior is LITERALLY, TEXTUALLY the Ultima Warrior.

It's not just model reuse, Cid literally used Ultima Warrior to make G-Warrior.

[forest magnet]

waow

[dim sigil]

i see that makes it better

[gaunt star]

But zenos is like a reference to vayne tho

Traitorus son of the emperor who is very sexy, allies with ancient beings, kills their father and fuses with a dragon

Vayne was sky fortress bahamut

[wind bough]

He has traits in common with Vayne

[gaunt star]

But still a dragon

Technically

[wind bough]

But he’s quite different from Vayne

Quite, quite different.

[gaunt star]

Well yeah, but he's still a reference to FF12 same way the other Legions peeps are to other FFs, even if Gabranth is recursive as fuck

Like how Gaius subtlety and magnificently references Final Fantasy 14

[brisk quail]

Vayne in plot? Sure I guess.

Vayne in attitude? No

Zenos is the primal essence of every savage raider.

Itching and waiting for the next fight

For the grandest of kills

Their magnum opus

Their ultimate clear

[torpid yoke]

yea pretty much

its why he says that you both are similar

[strange beacon]

is mitron a girl considering his/her true name is artemis?

[turbid aspen]

nah artemis can be a male name too

[wind bough]

Apparently Mitron is referred to by female pronouns or articles in the French version at some point?

Also E12 boss’s torso is inspired by depictions of Artemis as a fertility goddess with many breasts

So

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[torpid yoke]

They ghosts anyways :D

[rough kestrel]

I wouldnt be surprised if Mitron's awakened shard was that of a female spirit that happens to possess a male body.

[severe brook]

i mean less possessed, more just that OG Artemis/Mitron's soul reincarnated as a different gender that was then overwritten by the OG's memories

[rough kestrel]

Probably that, yeah

[severe brook]

we already know that gender isn't always consistent across reincarnations, as while Azem shares the player character's pronouns, Ardbert is still his own person regardless of the player.

[rough kestrel]

It is interesting that the original azem seems to change based on the player

And not just be a thing that Azem was originally male regardless, or originally female regardless

[serene crest]

I interpreted that as a means to make it more obvious and thus easier to digest that we were Azem

[rough kestrel]

I did too

Also fucking christ that PFP

I forgot about it

[serene crest]

[rough kestrel]

Do you think Emet lived as a sassy chick at some point?

Was Femet a life that got to play out?

[bold condor]

No, because Emet-Selch only lived one life.

[severe brook]

Emet-Selch's a bit different since he never really reincarnates

since he never died

[bold condor]

Not counting inhabiting Solus.

[severe brook]

i wouldn't be too surprised if he'd lived as different identities at different points though

but it wouldn't be as utter a change as dying and being reborn is

[gaunt star]

Ancient

Lesbians...?

[severe brook]

i can't entirely tell which step is happening in which order but it's clutch for someone at least

[unreal hound]

[severe brook]

Pog

Being Green

[unreal hound]

[fossil aurora]

Cleared with enrage was the only one who didn’t die to enrage damage. Apparently still counted 🙂

[zinc canopy]

I did the almost enrage wipe on Emerald and the "wipe after enrage cast" on E6s.

Everyone alive on enrage cast, enrage case goes off, boss dies. Cutscene fades and 4 are alive, 4 are not. Was trippy as hell.

[dry remnant]

that happened to me with a pepega emerald group like an hour ago

[heady spear]

Regarding the cure for tempering, what if the primal does not have elemental affinity?
For example, Lakshmi, Sophia, uhh Moogle I guess?

[zinc canopy]

Sophia is probably hovering Thunder/Air based

Moogle is probably just straight Light. Lakshmi earth?

[pastel coyote]

didn't ananta have an affinity toward earth ?

ho i mix up sophia with lakhsmi, my bad

[zinc canopy]

out of the Warring Triad it was Sephirot with the Earth affinity.

My hypothesis would fit with Sephirot being earth and Zurvan being Fire/Ice

[pastel coyote]

hmmm i'm not sure but i think the WT have at least 2 element each

[pine epoch]

Sephirot bird had water and earth particle effects

[zinc canopy]

the only other thing in the Seph fight is that air elemental.

Yeah I guess?

[pastel coyote]

zurvan was obviously fire/ice

[zinc canopy]

It'd fit. Seph Water/Earth
Sophia Thunder/Air
Zurvan Fire/Ice

isn't that all of them? or did I miss one

[pastel coyote]

we miss light and dark

[fallow ferry]

So would Susano fit under water/lightning aspected aether then?

[pastel coyote]

he totally do

[fallow ferry]

Would Ravana be something like fire/earth?

Lastly, what would Odin's aether be?

Because Odin's sword being the primal can temper people yeah?

Or would they be too far gone like Sephirot's Binahs

[pastel coyote]

yep the primal is the sword

i usually categorize odin as unaspected or dark in ff but here i don't know

maybe there more intel about it in eureka

[fallow ferry]

So if it's unaspected, would there be no cure for the Tempered that hold Odin's sword?

[pastel coyote]

I don't see how the nature of the primal change something

Some people could give an other/better explanation but for me the nature isn't really important, the root of the problem is it's not the tempered own aether

[fallow ferry]

How Odin works is most certainly unique to other primals though, it'd be interesting to see if the people who hold the sword actually become too far gone to be cured

[pine epoch]

Well its not really becoming to far gone if your subsumed by to much primal aether. It's just if a physical body becomes to aspected in one way. The body undergoes a mutation. We dont have the info tho if the minds of these people can be saved tho

[pastel coyote]

i don't know if it's really unique, i mean if the idea behind the sword-primal was just to kill it make sense that it keep only one.

Based on Owen report we're not supposed to be able to help them

But he couldn't make in practice his research for untempering people

[fallow ferry]

Well Odin doesn't really change the body much of at all, aside from the armor that I guess just kinda magically appears

And the horse

At the very most it just seems like the size of the body is changed

[pine epoch]

Ya were kinda the first to invent a cure of tempering. Yet we have 0 idea if the cure will work on everyone. When it came to the kobold priest he had a lot of titans aether in him. So it required a lot of aether to free his mind

[fallow ferry]

So basically in terms of Odin it'd depend on how long you hold the sword probably

[proud jewel]

wtf did they do to aymeric's voice?!

[unreal wadi]

@fallow ferry it was explained a bit that Odin's sword

comes from Eureka

[fallow ferry]

Ah

[unreal wadi]

made by the allagans

[fallow ferry]

Weird

[unreal wadi]

whoever touches the sword

becomes Odin himself

its why he is always able to come back

like tempering, in a sense

[brazen stag]

Unaspected aether is still polarized. Like how both Holy and Dark deal unaspected damage. In fact, I think it might be to the contrary where an unaspected tempering would, if anything, be less difficult to undo simply because it is more similar to the original treatment process that was developed in part by studying overpolarization to light!

[fallow ferry]

So If they become Odin, and then also change to the shape of whoever killed him, could we actually cure them with like a Crystal Tower's worth of energy or would it be basically impossible

[drowsy belfry]

Actually about the WT's affinity

I'd argue Sophia's water

Her theme implies when she was originally summoned it was at a coast town

So the summoners subconscious and crystal were most likely water related

[dry remnant]

@scarlet notch but yea i was just curious cause my bf cleared e11s tonight and his static was pulling 127k

ive seen e9s clears around 107k

not sure if lower is possible but those are just the ones ive seen

[scarlet notch]

Ah i see . Yeah ive heard the dps check for 12s phase 1 is way tighter than phase 2

[dry remnant]

oh really? do you know if theres a checkpoint? cause i find itweird that the fights are separated on fflogs for 12

[scarlet notch]

For phase 2 , people be hitting 0.1 enrage even with 3 deaths and a dmg down lol

[dry remnant]

oof

my bf cleared 11s with like 7 deaths betweent he party at 127k

but idk how bad 12s is

[scarlet notch]

I believe there is? Im not sure cuz im trying not to look at any of the fights themselves lol , just dps info and stuff

Cant play the game rn cuz im in another city

So trying to stay as blind as possible to mechs themselves

[dry remnant]

fair enough

i gotta look into e9s on monday before my static starts but iunno how we're gonna do, a lot of us parsed high last tier but we have some new people

and someone swapped classes

[scarlet notch]

Should be fine , its the first fight , dps check shdnt be tight at all , think if everyone just does mechs right and u dont go above like 4-5 deaths , ez clap

Assuming everyone has crafted gear that is

[dry remnant]

yea i heard someone say 9-10s were memes in terms of dps checks

a friend thats up to 11s now

but yea all of us have crafted gear

4 of us are pentamelded

we're aiming to clear a fight a week besides 12 probably

but one of the tanks is kinda memeish so idk we'll see what happens

[scarlet notch]

Yup then u shd be gucci , the only fight das usually kinda yikes with dps checks is usually the last one

[dry remnant]

yea

[scarlet notch]

P alright pace to set

[dry remnant]

yea i was gonna pf the tier but a friend wanted to make a static with some other friends

[scarlet notch]

Keep expectations low tho lol , u did say u had some new peeps

[dry remnant]

no

we've all cleared the last tier

but new people to the static

who we dont know well

[scarlet notch]

O i see

Still , takes a bit to mesh together , shdnt be that tough tho

[dry remnant]

like 6/8 of us know eachother well, then we had to recruit 2 randoms

yea

[scarlet notch]

Ah ok then thats not too bad

[dry remnant]

yea hopefully it goes well with the new people, but if it takes too long to prog i might start pfing

but i dont expect to have to do that

[scarlet notch]

I planned to do week 1 but between progging and clearing ult before the patch dropped , got tired of raiding lol

So ill be going for week 3-4 maybe

[scarlet notch]

Ehhh PF this early on , even till like week 4-5 is kinda yikes

[dry remnant]

after week 4-5 is yikes

pf earlier is probably better imo cuz then the good people are still trying to clear

[scarlet notch]

Yeah theres a tight window of where pf gets gud

Week 2-3 pf is kind of alright

Since enough time has passed for strats to be out and for ppl to have learned them

[dry remnant]

i havent done week 2-3 before so i wouldnt know LOL i came back late may and ended up pfing the tier later on

yea thats fair

rn im seeing like

3-4 diff strats for each mechanic on primal

its a little ridiculous

[scarlet notch]

Lol i pugged the entirety of last tier , did it week 8-9 or smth like that tho so was super late

[dry remnant]

yea thats what i did too

but it was like

[scarlet notch]

Lol that wont happen on NA, NA latches onto a single strat week 1 and doesnt let go till the next tier drops

[dry remnant]

late may when istarted

[dry remnant]

primal is NA LOL

[scarlet notch]

O sorry i meant aether lmao

Its like 10am and im big derp dont judge me

[dry remnant]

yea i was originally in aether, gilgamesh specifically, but a friend convinced me to come back and i ended up in primal

why are you in aether if you're in eu timezones?

[scarlet notch]

Lol i was in na when i made my acc and then moved back to eu irl and then just was too lazy to transfer in game too

Plus i made some gud friends by then in aether

[dry remnant]

fair enough

yea looks like dps check for e12s second phase is definitely lighter than e12s first phase, maybe lighter than e11s

based off rankings

[rain badger]

so

next patch

extreme trial is from story

and is lunar bahamut?

[scarlet notch]

Yup , das wot i heard , tho think that fight already is mechanically challenging enough without the dps checks being super tough in both phases

[rain badger]

which means

zenos is big bad for 6.0

gross

[scarlet notch]

So they decided to prolly loosen it up for phase 2

[dry remnant]

yea makes sense

based off rankings second phase was almost 10k lower than p1

129k~ vs 118k

most of the rankings for e11s were around 127-128k

[scarlet notch]

Couldnt tell u lol , i havent done the new patch story yet

[dry remnant]

^

[scarlet notch]

Das p decent

Ngl tho , the gear for this tier is suuuuuper mid compared to verse

[rain badger]

mid?

[scarlet notch]

Like the tank and caster is the only “acceptable” one

[scarlet notch]

Just eh

Not great

[rain badger]

in terms of look or

sub stats

cause substats are garbage lol

[scarlet notch]

Look

Havent seen the substats on it but i assume its not that different from verse gear

[rain badger]

yep

so many warriors

complaining about substats

[scarlet notch]

I too smol brain to worry bout substats , me just look at balance and copy bis 8)

[dry remnant]

eh i thought verse was meh

[dry remnant]

mood, they still dont have healer bis yet

healers in my static are getting gear last but still

[scarlet notch]

Verse striking, fending , aiming sets are top tier in my books

[dry remnant]

probably gonna end up going smn>Sam>monk>????

[scarlet notch]

Gate scouting and casting are way better tho

[dry remnant]

cause as a whm ican pull more than the tanks but not if im raising people a lot LOL

[scarlet notch]

Lol yeah they dont have bis for anything rn , just temporary bis while they work stuff out

[dry remnant]

o

heck

when do they normally have bis for classes after a tier drops?

[scarlet notch]

Uhh im not 100% , prolly a week or so later

[rain badger]

depends on

[dry remnant]

o ok

[rain badger]

the job

healers are always late to getting BiS

[scarlet notch]

Its been what 4-5 days since the patch dropped?

[dry remnant]

cuz i did see some in resources that said they updated it with bis

in various class channels

but they didnt give any indication if it was final or not

[scarlet notch]

Yep they have tentative and placeholder bis out

Which is basically gonna be the final bis with some small tweeks to melds or possibly even some gear pieces

They have bis for BRD , RDM & BLM , dunno if any of them are permanent tho , doesnt mention

[dry remnant]

yea

even if i do raiding next expansion (probably will) in a static, they either have to wait a week or its a no go, making money on patch drops is my new favorite thing lmao

[scarlet notch]

Lol its amazing crafters make a shitton of gil from crafted gear , tho i wouldnt know , sitting over here with my lv1 BSM and lv3 CRP

Must be nice to repair in instance too

[dry remnant]

i made

270m in hte first 2 and ahalf days

ik other people tha t made more

crafters are worth

[dry remnant]

it is

i was in e6s the other day before patch drop, friends gear broke after we wiped to memes and hes like "i gotta go out and repair"

[scarlet notch]

jfc o.0

[dry remnant]

not all of it was gear but most was

[scarlet notch]

I should have def levelled crafters lmao , sitting here with only 4mil gil lmao

[dry remnant]

starting day 3 prices tanked though

so i gav eup and started doing emerald

i mean crafters are real easy to level now

not that thats a good thing

[scarlet notch]

it especially sucks when u reach a checkpoint in a fight and then ur gear breaks so u gotta back out and get back to phase 2

[dry remnant]

thing is it was just a parse party, so it wasnt a big deal, but a lot of us gave him shit for it

[scarlet notch]

Lol yeah everyone tells me that but im a big lazy fuq who refuses to level them for whatever reason

[dry remnant]

just remember: theres a reason your crafter friends can afford everything they want and you cant lmao

to be fair though

i slept like

[scarlet notch]

Lol sounds bout right , id buy like maybe 4-5 new crafted gear pieces with food and pots and bam , gil gone

[dry remnant]

7 hours within the first 48 of patch drop

soooo

i could have made slightly less for more sleep but im greedy

[scarlet notch]

Lol ive done nothing but sleep to pass the time before i can go back home and play anything

[dry remnant]

oof

[scarlet notch]

Lol mood , i mean u still made a killing so 🤷‍♂️

[dry remnant]

yea

[scarlet notch]

Ye it be big feelsbad, ofc something comes up exactly on patch drop which causes me to go to another city for the entirety of week 1

[dry remnant]

OOF

jfc my birdbrain was trying to set up a spreadsheet to track data on the new items based off of universalis and i got way distracted

[scarlet notch]

Im like a peasant looking thru a window at all the rich ppl having fun with all the new t h i c c content

[dry remnant]

to be fair

new ex trial farms are a meme 70% of the time

idk how savage pf is

[scarlet notch]

Lmao

[dry remnant]

i saw 1 gwiber drop from the new trial

drk who died to a bunch of stupid shit got it

i rolled a 85, he got a 92

[scarlet notch]

Its not any better , lots of tales in general everyday

[dry remnant]

yep

sounds about right

[scarlet notch]

Lmfao well thats the rule of ex , the worse u do , the better ur rng is

And if ur the one that didnt mess up at all then u best believe ur rolling a 1 :)

[dry remnant]

lmao

sounds about right

[scarlet notch]

Last ex i farmed for mounts were the stmb ones , havent done any shdb ex , dove str8 into sav and ult

and thats a good thing cuz now theyve increased the drop rates for a lot of them

[dry remnant]

thats not necessarily a good thing unless you farm with friends, farm parties now for the old ones are memes

worse memes

[scarlet notch]

For the old shdb ones or the old stmb/hw ones?

[dry remnant]

old shb ones

gonna be easier now with the new gear tho

[scarlet notch]

Ppl cant be memeing on those , they so ez , i mean i havent done them but they look ez af

[dry remnant]

but still more memeish then it was before

[scarlet notch]

Yeah and with new gear , can cheese so much stuff

[dry remnant]

take more vuln stacks and die to higher damage*

[scarlet notch]

Lol fair , ex is always a train ride , probably cuz a lot more casual mindset ppl do them

[dry remnant]

yea

[scarlet notch]

Savage is always a bigger train ride tho

[dry remnant]

savage in pf is a dumpster fire

most of the time

[scarlet notch]

Pugged a tier once , never ever ever again

[dry remnant]

hahahaha

honestly i still prefer that to joining a static but my friends roped me in

cuz ican do pf savage on my own schedule

[scarlet notch]

I think i pugged e6s clears for 6 hours and hit enrage maybe twice when i was going for my first clear

[dry remnant]

i was in e5s trying to get a clear for 14 hours but it was memes

pf

memes

[scarlet notch]

True but its not worth the suffering the single braincelled organisms known as “pf raiders” put u thru

[scarlet notch]

Dang 14 hours nonstop?

Or total?

[dry remnant]

14 hours in 1 day

[scarlet notch]

Jesus christ , my condolences

[dry remnant]

arent we both pf raiders since we cleared a tier that way

[scarlet notch]

Lol no , i have half a braincell so i qualify in a tier below that :)

[dry remnant]

aight then

i have some people on my blacklist like that

[scarlet notch]

I blacklisted a tank that was trolling my pf in e5s

[dry remnant]

i blacklisted 2 days ago for memeing real bad in an emerald weapon farming party

an ast

wow words

[scarlet notch]

Then they joined a pf i was in for e6s

And i had to remove them from the list lol

[dry remnant]

died to every iteration of 1 mechanic all 3 pulls in phase 2

[scarlet notch]

Cuz dont think u can see them in chat if theyre in BL

[dry remnant]

after that im like "okay im done, this ast is dying to every redacted mechanic there is"

I CANT RAISE PEPEGA DPS AND A PEPEGA AST

[scarlet notch]

Lmfao sounds bout right

[dry remnant]

WE'LL HIT ENRAGE. AGAIN

like it was

5 enrage wipes

cause people (including the ast) kept dying

[scarlet notch]

Sounds like normal pf things

[dry remnant]

yea

sadly

holy shit

[scarlet notch]

Wish party finder was better at raids so i didnt have to find statics for any new hard content that comes out :/

Wot sux bout it is that 7/8 in ur pf can be gud but if that last person is a derp then u screwed

[dry remnant]

yeaaa

in emerald you can carry 1 person, but if you got 2 pepegas you're probably gonna hit enrage

assuming both is dps

if the tanks or the healers are pepegas you're screwed anyway lmao

[scarlet notch]

Tfw pf still messes up on e8s even tho a whole new tier has come out

[dry remnant]

im

not surprised

lr memes

[scarlet notch]

Yee EX is a bit more lenient in pepega ratio of ur party

[scarlet notch]

Lol if not that then knockback memes(tho those are mostly recoverable)

^ usually where the healer lb goes

[dry remnant]

hahahaha not if a tank goes boom

in my exp thats what happens the most

tank goes boom half the party wipes

lb was used before for melee

[scarlet notch]

Lol was bout to say that

Ye if tanks eff that up its bye bye , am guilty of that but it was during prog and i had a shitty connection and other excuses

[dry remnant]

lmfao yea

tanks screw it up the most in my runs

[scarlet notch]

I like to believe the rest of the tier fries their brain so by the time they reach shiva , they’re operating at usual pug levels of one braincell

Plus with how long that fight is , with it throwing hard mech after mech at u , kinda see why pf still struggles with it

[dry remnant]

true

12s gonna be worse in pf

[scarlet notch]

lol pf gonna be struggling with 12s til 6.0 comes out

[dry remnant]

probably

[scarlet notch]

Welp imna head to bed (even tho its 11am , just dont have anyth better to do) . Have a gud one o/ Gud luck with raids

[unreal wadi]

https://clips.twitch.tv/PlayfulColorfulEggplantBabyRage

almost spit my fucking drink out

always reset your raid timers guys

[vale flower]

noooooooooooooo :(

also that one guy sounds like fucking tom from tom & jerry

[robust sphinx]

I'm guessing the void quests are alluding to taynor and unu being sundered soul pairs?

Though I guess it's a bit on the nose; unu isn't actually in a physical form

[carmine basin]

I thought it was more like Unulkalhai and Nyelbert are the same shard

[robust sphinx]

that could also be possible, yeah

also this raises my eyebrow a bit

[viscid monolith]

SPOILER THAT NOW

OHh wait nvm

[robust sphinx]

yea this is the spoilers channel lol

[viscid monolith]

Thought I was still in general

I had a dementia moment my bad

[robust sphinx]

im not sure what they're referring to exactly though

are they implying umbral = darkness?

as loghrif is an ascian...

[viscid monolith]

Ya I don't get it

Gotta ask the experts

[robust sphinx]

so far we've had raid mechanics tell us light = umbral and dark = astral

[viscid monolith]

Yes exactly

[robust sphinx]

as well as the poster

[viscid monolith]

Seems like an error

[robust sphinx]

however on the source we've had

light = astral, and dark = umbral

[viscid monolith]

@clever flume Heeeeeelp

[robust sphinx]

but this is what cyella is saying

and cyella is from the thirteenth

which makes me wonder

maybe is a matter of perspective

and that light and dark aren't actually umbral or astral

or they can fulfill the roles

depending on what shard they're on?

[rain onyx]

Lyon thinks it’s a text error

That they meant Astral

At least the last time it was brought up

[wet crown]

or she meant it in the literal sense of the word

Dark.

[pastel coyote]

same it's look like an error

[vale lotus]

So someone who knows their FF music, what does Matoya's Relict sound like? I know the YT comments say it sounds like something from Banjo-Kazooie meets Nightmare before Christmas

[serene crest]

It’s a remix of Matoya’s Cave from FF1. There are a couple other remixes of it in XIV already. Like the track that plays in her cave lol. Which is called the Mushroomery.

[pastel coyote]

Well it's a safe bet to think that we will get ff4 track for the next patch/expac

[vale lotus]

I remember seeing somewhere on the reddit that Fandango was really gonna end up being more Kuja than Kefka

[forest magnet]

at least kuja has an appreciation for the arts

[vale lotus]

And Kuja had that genderfuckery going on

[pastel coyote]

From what we know of Fanda he is anything but Kuja

[forest magnet]

Kuja says trans rights?

[viscid monolith]

Makes sense. BUT THEN THEY NAMED E9S UMBRA

ARE WE MISSING SOMETHING

[pastel coyote]

Lance, you know that umbra is latin right ?

[viscid monolith]

[forest magnet]

Umbra means shadow

[viscid monolith]

Yes

But we've establishes that in game, Light = Umbral

[pastel coyote]

yeah so what ?

[vale lotus]

I mean he'll be Kuja in that he got told by the Ascian version of Rick in that he's Butterbot.

"What is my purpose?" "You die."

[viscid monolith]

Between the the E7 error, the error in the Crystarium, and the name of E9 I think we're missing something

[pastel coyote]

yeah, it's called covid and it impact work sometime

[vale lotus]

Shoot, I kinda realized this. If we do go to Sharlayan in 6.0, I bet they'll play it like 13

[pastel coyote]

yeah yeah sharlayan for 6.0

[vale lotus]

Like it's Cocoon and Eorzea is considered this hellish world like Pulse

[pastel coyote]

you should make a bet a bit safer, like character deleted after nier raid

[vale lotus]

I do know that if they do, we need to at least meet the twins' family.

[pastel coyote]

I'm too tired for this shit, i should ask rommy to pin something to explain why there is no reason we go to sharlayan in 6.0

[vale lotus]

Especially if it turns out that mom is just as much of a toll elezen like everyone else and Alisaie has yet to hit puberty.

[bold condor]

That is what it is.

_>

Why do you think the twins' mother would be short?

[pulsar yacht]

I find it typical video game logic khloe's minion flavour text will change for age but the twins never do (age)

[bold condor]

Anyway, Elezen take longer than other races to hit puberty.

Khloe's minion text changed because they made an error.

Not because they're trying to age her with the passage of time.

Wouldn't even make sense, it hadn't been three years between the release of Wind-up Khloe (2017) and the update (2018).

[pulsar yacht]

It does if counting from heavensward

[bold condor]

Wind-up Khloe is from 4.0.

[pulsar yacht]

Npc is from 3.4

[bold condor]

Which was 2016.

[pulsar yacht]

[bold condor]

Besides, she was introduced, like, mere months after Koji-Fox confirmed ARR onward still has a time bubble.

And throughout SB, the highest anyone ever estimates the game's time lapse is 1 year after 2.2.

[brisk quail]

1 year?

I'd say it's less than that

[bold condor]

I said "the highest estimate anyone ever gives."

[brisk quail]

I mean I know we have that (couple months) gap for the sailing to kugane

[bold condor]

As in the Domans say it's been a year since the rebellion that led them across the sea in 2.2.

[brisk quail]

But even then

[bold condor]

It's two months to get from Limsa Lominsa to Kugane.

But it hardly matters.

The time bubble is in place and they're not shifting it.

What is kind of fun, though, is

If you count how many major content patches it had been between ARR and SB, it's actually twelve.

So if you REALLY had to slot them into a timeline, you could maybe justify it that way, but I don't see the point in that.

(Besides, I'd think most of the .0 patches would take longer than the post-launch MSQs anyway.)

[maiden lodge]

Umbra means darkness, eorzea got it backwards, Thancred asks it, Urianger confirms it, and no one will admit that's how that conversation goes.

[severe brook]

Light = Passive = "Umbral," but Umbral's the misnomer in regards to Polarity

[viscid monolith]

But Astral is darkness

[maiden lodge]

Eorzea has it backwards

We know, Lance, Astral aether is Darkness, but astral, the word, means 'of the stars.'

[severe brook]

so Umbra still fits for the Cloud of Darkness arena

[maiden lodge]

Umbral aether is Light, but umbral, the word, means 'of shadow'

[viscid monolith]

Oh you mean the actual words as they exist in real life

[maiden lodge]

Yeah

[viscid monolith]

So why do they keep mixing up umbral and astral in the text

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/742643125981413447/787681820601745428/unknown.png

Like here

[severe brook]

because in-universe most people still have "astral=light" and "umbral=dark" associations

and the First never had the mixup that Eorzea did, as they always knew Dark = Active and Light = Passive

whereas Eorzea assumed the opposite

[maiden lodge]

Because umbral does... literally... mean shadowed

[severe brook]

yes

[maiden lodge]

She's not talking about aether

[viscid monolith]

This is stupid

[severe brook]

it's how language works

words are made up

[viscid monolith]

Why

[severe brook]

words are made up

[maiden lodge]

Also Cyella's not a fuckin Eorzean and isn't an Eorzean scholar and doesn't have its nomenclature

[viscid monolith]

Why would they go through the trouble of having this plot twist

[severe brook]

it helps the world feel more alive that there are discrepancies in language and science

[viscid monolith]

It just causes mix ups

[severe brook]

instead of everything being perfect and certain all the time

[maiden lodge]

Cyella wouldn't call aether umbral or astral because she's from the Thirteenth and has been on the First for a century

[strange wing]

The S in Strand stands for Strand

[severe brook]

FFXIV is a Strand-type MMO

[maiden lodge]

It's like 'how many different meanings for Warrior of Darkness' are there?

Or 'Warrior of Light?'

Also, important to the plot

[gaunt star]

Are thancred and uriangers npcs anywhere or are they still in Garlemald

[severe brook]

They're still in Garlemald

likely will return in 5.5

[proper frigate]

My least favorite part about Thancred's writing

They always find an excuse to shove him out of the plot

[brisk quail]

Pre-HW:
What are you doing thancred?
stuff

Pre-SB:
Where are you going thancred?
places

Post Shb:
why are you going to garlemald?
reasons

[next quarry]

Thancred best

[torpid yoke]

well i mean

[maiden lodge]

guys

thancred and urianger are going on a date

they're just trying to be discreet

[torpid yoke]

Thancred is our intelligence gatherer and infiltrator so it makes sense for him to be away a lot

but like dis said they going on a date

[carmine basin]

I did the void quest after 5.4 msq so it was kind of funny that urianger just left and then came back when we called

[signal solar]

that wasnt urianger

[next quarry]

[maiden lodge]

That's cause he isn't in Garlemald. He's on a date

[gaunt star]

I did eden verse end quest after 5.3 on my alt, that was pretty funny

[next quarry]

Kawaiian don't make me slap you more

[signal solar]

urianger and unukalhai are different people

[carmine basin]

Urianger came back for a short moment to help Unulkalhai

[signal solar]

he could have just not left yet

mightve just went to take a piss in that amount of time

[maiden lodge]

No you're thinking of Unukalhai and Traynor going on a date.

[next quarry]

KAWAIIAN

[carmine basin]

Also who can mistake Urianger with Unulkalhai one is waayyyyy taller than the other

[spring dirge]

Oh hey so the entire Convocation of Fourteen all have names now right? Loghrif and Mitron were the last two?

[pine epoch]

They always had names

[spring dirge]

I mean known to us

[pine epoch]

No we have not seen all 13 names of the convocation appear yet.

We are missing deudalaphon

Halmarut was mentioned in anyder

[viscid monolith]

Anyone else think E12N is badly made

They did the thing again

[carmine basin]

How so

[viscid monolith]

The thing from E8N but worse

[carmine basin]

I do feel what's supposed to be a sad moment is ruined by making us defeat adds while the scene plays

[viscid monolith]

So EP Junctions Titan and Shiva and then uses mechanics from those fights

[pine epoch]

And mitron has been known since lorebook 1 I think. And loghrif was known since 5.0

[viscid monolith]

But the rest of the time uses "Release"

And uses like, non telegraphed aoes with little to do with Ramuh, Leviathan, Ifrit and Garuda

They're the same element but there's no intuitive way to no the shape of the aoes the first time.

[pine epoch]

E12s door boss is widely different fight from e12 normal

[viscid monolith]

Ya I saw

So how did they fuck up normal so bad

[gaunt star]

They designed e12s as an encounter and e12n as an experience

[viscid monolith]

A bad one

[pine epoch]

I'd guess to make the 2 versions of the fight different and complete

[viscid monolith]

But I see your point

I guess they put less thought into normal

[pine epoch]

I dont think it was bad. But I think ones better over the other

[gaunt star]

Yeah

4th floor they design the savage first

And then strip things down to make normal

[viscid monolith]

Like, I guess the water attack is the shape of 2 waves?

I guess?

Ramuh just does a point blank aoe and 4 cardinal cones

[gaunt star]

Levi/Ramuh make at least some vague sense

[viscid monolith]

Ifrit and Garuda are just

[gaunt star]

Garuda kiiinda because she does the cones

[viscid monolith]

Idk

[carmine basin]

I haven't done Ramuh in a long time and I can't remember which part is the AoE, is it the spears?

[gaunt star]

Ifrit makes zero sense

[viscid monolith]

Ya that's what I mean Pile

[carmine basin]

Ifrit is that cone attack I guess

After cornflag?

[viscid monolith]

Everyone gets hit by everything first time because there's no way to intuit what's happening

[gaunt star]

His regular buster is a cone

he's done cones before

[viscid monolith]

Even the name is vague as fuck

[gaunt star]

but so does garuda

so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[pine epoch]

In savage the dps check protecting memories does not exist. And almost all the draws and both junctions are completely different

[gaunt star]

And by regular I mean not eden ifrit, I guess in e6 he doesn't even do any cones

[viscid monolith]

This is worse than Starboard Larboard but no one is complaining as loud as thag.

[carmine basin]

Garuda I guess was referring to her claws

[pine epoch]

The adds get used completely different in savage and are used to channel the draws

[viscid monolith]

At least Starboard and Larboard have actual meanings

[gaunt star]

I think e6 birb is kinda aping the concept of mistrals

though there's only one instance of mistral song that's actually a cone

[carmine basin]

Yeah it's something you have to see/die to to understand

[viscid monolith]

Ya I don't like mechanics like that is my main gripe

I don't mind dying but mechanics need to be intuitive at least so you can figure them out. Rather than leaving them to simple memorization.

[carmine basin]

e9 actually felt more challenging than the other fights

[pine epoch]

Main problem with normal mode fights is that they dont have a end. And always loop the 2 same mechanic patterns. After they finish their big ultimate attack

[carmine basin]

Tho I'm just bad with that small safe spots

[gaunt star]

they gotta do a looping script cuz no enrage

[pine epoch]

Which I'd rather they add an enrage to normal

[gaunt star]

a few nm fights actually do have enrages but they're absurdly long

[viscid monolith]

E12n is just the one I will dread doing every week

[pine epoch]

Last normal fight to have enrage is ruby weapon

[viscid monolith]

At least until I get my weapon

[gaunt star]

o1n and o3n both enrage after like 21 minutes or something

[pine epoch]

Ruby enrage is like 8 minutes

[viscid monolith]

Why does anyone know those have 21 minute enrages

[gaunt star]

good question lol

Might have been people trying to solo them

[viscid monolith]

Ah ok

Makes sense

[gaunt star]

Also it's more common for whatever reason for nm trials to have enrages vs nm raids

[pine epoch]

People freaked out when they discovered ruby weapon had an enrage during nael phase

An enrage that was feasible to hit

If people ducked up

[gaunt star]

I thiink all the x.0 story trials have enrages 🤔

[pine epoch]

Shinryu and thordan do not

Hades was the first

[gaunt star]

Ultima does

though idk if it also triggers by time

[pine epoch]

Ultima is triggered by HP

[gaunt star]

ofc he's also not technically a trial 🤔

if it was tirggered by time would anyone ever find out lol

[pine epoch]

Ultima enrage is coded to start when it reaches I think 8% hp

[gaunt star]

I think it's like 15% but he often hits 0.1% before he even starts now

cuz he's busy with something else

[pine epoch]

But ya I am always asking for normal fights to add more enrages

Having a definitive end to a fight to me makes them feel more smooth

[maiden lodge]

The fight plays fair. It opens by showing you each mechanic one by one, twice each. It teaches you that the telegraph won't be something on the ground, it'll be the tether to the crystal. So you're learning a new tell unique to that fight.

Once it combines mechanics it expects you to know.

It's like starboard and larboard--in that you can complain once but after that, you know.

[pine epoch]

Also to raiders who say savage should be canon. E12s couldnt because gaia physically dies at the end of e12s. Like same way hades elidibus and mitron go out. And is meant to be an exaggeration of what actually happened.

[regal lantern]

Zodiark and Elidibus stands for Salvation right?

Zodiark stood for “salvation”. That’s His thing, just as Hydaelyn stands for Freedom.
This is further confirmed by what powers Elidibus, the fighting spirit, he is literally “salvation given form” and that’s what Zodiark stood for as well. To save the Ancients from the calamity brought about by the Sound.

So although we think it Zodiark as the supposed big bad, is He really?? Like we know Ascians did terrible things to bring Him back but Zodiark Himself may not be bad?

[pine epoch]

Ye they exist for salvation

[maiden lodge]

Zodiark is salvation, Elidibus is hpe.

hope

[bold condor]

Just because you exist for what you perceive as salvation and hope does not make you inherently good.

[pine epoch]

^

[maiden lodge]

History and fiction is filled with individuals who present themselves as salvation or hope, and turn out to be very wrong.

[bold condor]

Hydaelyn is based on those same ideals, but hers is salvation and hope for those who would come after.

[viscid monolith]

Then it should so what other fights do and show the full telegraph once

[bold condor]

Whereas Zodiark seeks to perpetually preserve what came before.

The Ascians exist to regress the system, while Hydaelyn exists to promote growth and change.

[maiden lodge]

Or, you know... vulnstacks are a learning mechanic

and teaching players this is also valid

[bold condor]

Yes, their natures are antithetical to the primordial forces they represent.

Zodiark is Darkness, growth and change, but is ideologically a force for regression and stasis.

Hydaelyn is Light, stasis and passivity, but exists to promote growth and encourage change.

A bit of Darkness in the Light and Light in the Darkness, it's a yin-yang thing.

[regal lantern]

That is some intense poetic justice, going on with them...

[bold condor]

Given we know "Answers" is from Her point of view, we can infer that she sees it as the duty of those who came before to lead those who walk after.

Whereas the Ascians would sacrifice the lives of those who came after to restore those who came before, and seek to destroy their own progeny.

Rather than seeing mankind as their legacy, they see them as the enemy.

Something imperfect to be destroyed rather than something to be nurtured back to that ideal world.

If the Ascians wanted to, they could have spent the majority of the last 10,000 years trying to help mankind with their superior knowledge.

[brisk quail]

Light: we made mankind as they are now and I am proud

Dark: mankind was borne from our mistakes and took everything from us when they were made

[maiden lodge]

Answers in 5.x context:

"Look, you need to be a good dad, EMET-SULKS"

[pine epoch]

Fandaniel achieves heaven and causes heat death of the universe and subsequently start of a new universe.

(Ok I'll go see myself out the door)

[viscid monolith]

Fandaniel Over Heaven

[pine epoch]

Made in Fandaniel

[gusty quest]

Fandaniel deeds done dirt cheap

[next quarry]

Fandaniel obtains the ability to enter trance

[robust sphinx]

very late but that's merely an observation of the characters. the e7 one is really weird though

also i replied to the wrong thing lmao

[robust sphinx]

iirc in other languages it translates as just light and darkness for the white and purple debuffs respectively\

rather than "umbral and astral"

that's not to say those languages don't have words for astral and umbral

e.g: astral in french is astral or astrale

at least according to google translate

for german, umbral apparently means "Kernschatten"

or "complete shadow"

but that's more of an astronomy term

[maiden lodge]

My reasoning with that is that it isn't on the source, so it does not use source terminology. Why would it?

[pine epoch]

what their on about is the fact the english debuff is called umbral astral

while every other language clearly uses light and dark

[maiden lodge]

I understand that

it's almost as if that is not relevant to what I said

I'll put it a different way.

umbral and astral as terms for static and dynamic aether are terms used on the Source by Source scholars specifically.

E7 is not on the source

Ergo, one needs not assume abilities are named by source scholars who would never see them

[loud pecan]

thank you urianger

[maiden lodge]

You want an urianger explanation?

[pine epoch]

I dont think thats how that works dis

Because what reason would you localize it different from the other 3 languages

[maiden lodge]

umbral is not different from darkness

the word literally means 'shadowed'

[pine epoch]

I think we are looking at this completely different

[maiden lodge]

Alright, let me explain this a third way.

Astral aether means 'dynamic aether/Darkness' on the Source yes?

And Umbral aether means 'static/Light' on the Source, yes?

And it doesn't mean it anywhere else, yes?

[pine epoch]

thats not what im talking about. Im talking about localization reason

Not a lore reason

[maiden lodge]

No you are actually.

Because umbral doesn't mean 'static aether' anywhere BUT the Source or from Source scholars.

Literally everywhere else, and in any other context, it means DARK

So you're asking 'Why is Dark translated as a word for Dark in one language and a different word for Dark in others?'

I'll even go a bit further... I think the word used in french for it is Tenebre, yes?

Tenebre means darkness, but it also means gloom, it means murkiness, and yes, it also means shadowed

[pine epoch]

Fine whatever. We will accept your explanation because it definitely has to be because the debuffs were "named by Scholars from Eorzea." And there is no other reason

[maiden lodge]

That's the opposite of what I'm saying.

I'm saying, holy fucking shit... the dark buff is called umbral because umbral literally means dark

The lit buff is called astral because astral literally means lit

And that makes them 'incorrect' because umbral and astral aether, and only aether is named backwards.

And that's fine because they're on the First, and thus, using correct terminology

So you're asking why 'Umbral' got translated in other languages as 'Dark' when the words literally mean the same thing

[pine epoch]

Ok dis, I get it in the fucking REAL WORLD Umbral means dark and Astral means stars and stars give off light

Im being a fucking hardass

Due to the fact they spent an entire expansion going against the REAL WORLD definition in the localization

[maiden lodge]

Yes, and that's what they mean literally everywhere else that isn't Eorzea, and for anything that isn't aether on Eorzea.

[pine epoch]

in Eorzea umbral goes with Dark and Astral goes with light

because of scholars throwing words around

Its the First thats to blame

[maiden lodge]

No, that isn't what Im saying

[viscid monolith]

The debuffs in E7 are backwards

[maiden lodge]

On Eorzea, Umbral and Astral refer to dark and light as well--this is why you they're called 'Umbral Calamities' and 'Astral Eras'

This is what Thancred meant by 'generation rather than effect'

holy fuck eureka on a previous argument

[viscid monolith]

I wonder why they never fixed it

[maiden lodge]

So, the -effect- of a Calamity, as an example, is that everything is depressed and static, prosperity is not in bloom, everything is aetherically 'umbral' but the cause of this is darkness

Sorry, tangent, but I realize now what Thancred was saying, specifically, re 'generation vs effect'

[viscid monolith]

Hm? Everything isn't aetherially umbral.

[maiden lodge]

In the aftermath of a calamity?

[viscid monolith]

Yes

[maiden lodge]

Damn rights it is

[viscid monolith]

Why is that

[maiden lodge]

Aether slows down, everything slows down, the works are gummed up, prosperity is gummed up.

The 7th is an exception because the Calamity itself was Astral

[viscid monolith]

Aether doesn't slow down. Everything is in shambles from a huge disaster.

[maiden lodge]

No no, Lance, the 7th is -aetherically- an exception.

As well as societally.

If it weren't, the world couldn't then immediately go into the precipice of another calamity

[viscid monolith]

So are you telling the clearly astral calamity of Eorzea being pummeled by bolts of white hot lightning caused the aether in the land to slow down?

[maiden lodge]

Yes.

Which... makes a lot of sense.

[viscid monolith]

That's fucking dumb and you'd have to pull something uo to prove that

[maiden lodge]

Here's an analogy.

If I explode a bomb, that is going to be exothermic af.

[pine epoch]

But yes, Dis the reason I am being such a hardass and not backing down from saying why did they use Umbral even tho umbral real world definition means shadow. is because of localization reasons in the MSQ of Shadowbringers. Yes I could simply just use the real world definition and be done with it. But I 90% blame god damn story for this

10% is user error

[maiden lodge]

But the aftermath is not more explosions causing more explosions causing more explosions

[maiden lodge]

It's not on the source, so why assume it means what it means on the source?

[glacial fossil]

things getting heated in the final fantasy XIV fandom!

[maiden lodge]

The explosion, Lance, IS the process of that chain reaction of heat igniting more things igniting more things igniting more things--but the result is everything is burned up and nothing more will ignite.

It's consumed, used up.

It would be like if I named fire 'inert ash' because the result of fire is inert, unburnable ash.

[glacial fossil]

unless you have something that can burn already burnt things

which exist IRL

[maiden lodge]

not quite accurate, you're referring to an exothermic reaction producing a chemical which can then participate in further, and different, exothermic reaction. However, some materials simply cannot burn. You cannot burn water, as there is no path by which oxygen can react to it exothermically. Water, however, is a burn product--it's the result of burning hydrogen.

[glacial fossil]

I will burn water out of spite

im just here for fun i have no idea whats happening

[bold condor]

Mitron. I was referring to Mitron in #archived-lore-spoilers.

[umbral wyvern]

does gaia dies

[open verge]

Nope

Story ends with her traveling with ryne in her motorcycle

Ok it doesn’t say she has a motorcycle but I like to imagine that’s what she got

[zinc ridge]

She has a skyslipper of her own.

[open verge]

Oh

Nice

[wind bough]

She says there are only seats for two

So it’s not that

[open verge]

Could just be a custom one

Or she could be lying who knows

[zinc ridge]

There's only seats for two in a "three's a crowd" sort of way.

[loud pecan]

motorslipper

[placid sail]

there are actually four seats but they have to socially distance so they can only occupy two of them

[maiden lodge]

Two of the seats are taken up by coffee biscuits.

One is for them to share

The other is for them to also share.

[grizzled star]

i got the impression that it was a regular skyslipper with 4 seats, but gaia was just telling WoL to buzz off lol

[turbid helm]

Do I have to upgrade my resistance weapon to see the new bozja scrimmish?

Because I'm on Lady of Blades and it hasn't popped all day.

[soft gyro]

why did the trailer literally contain 50% of the ending of 5.4?

i was hoping for that we was going to continue from trailer, not end with it.

[soft gyro]

i feel half ripped off

felt like going back to ARR

doubt we even get to fight zenos

prob just gonna be an another ruby weapon

maby diamond weapon if that exists

[pine epoch]

I mean majority of the story was about curing Tempering

which was the big thing about this patch

Since Tempering has been the number 1 reason the primal problem could never be solved

[gusty quest]

We know we're gonna fight the diamond weapon, it's all been but confirmed at this point

[pine epoch]

due to the beast tribes becoming tempered and always resummoning their primals making more people tempered

[gusty quest]

(By trailers)

[pine epoch]

by the quest its self

as they flat out tell you who the last boss is for the weapon quest

[gusty quest]

And now with these towers, tempering may become a new threat entirely

[pine epoch]

unless a twist happens where Diamond isn't Valens masterpiece and Diamond ends up being a solo instance

and valens masterpiece is like a original weapon

Amethyst weapon

[gusty quest]

That would be neat, perhaps a version with a perfected oversoul

[lament breach]

How many more EXs do we even have left for this expansion?

[gusty quest]

One where it doesn't turn the pilot into a giant jelly monster

[pine epoch]

1 more EX trial in 5.5

but that doesn't mean its the last trial

[gusty quest]

Which will most likely be the diamond weapon trial

[pine epoch]

we could get a bonus ex trial in 5.55 from Save the Queen

[gaunt star]

Alexandrite Weapon

a to the l to the e x ander

[lament breach]

Assuming she's not a BA-style boss

[wet crown]

Diamond Weapon, feat. Zenos Oversoul

[pine epoch]

Also if we go off of the past. We should also be getting a Bonus Trial "That was supposed to be for Fanfest"

tho that is if they decide to do it

which they could not do it. But its been like a staple every expac to have that Bonus Fight

at the end

[wet crown]

hm?

[pine epoch]

odin, proto ultima, and Yojimbo totally not Greg

[wet crown]

ahh

[gaunt star]

you say that but proto ultima was just shoved into dun scaith

[pine epoch]

atleast it was something

[gaunt star]

god i wish they made it so what instance proto ultima was in changed each week

that would have been fun

[pine epoch]

god same, I would of loved random trash mob in the 3 24 mans changing

[gusty quest]

How would that even work in context

[gaunt star]

it leaves before we kill it

and moves on to greener pastures

[pine epoch]

Proto Ultima hunts down voidsent because the aether signature of voidsent is similar to primals

or something like that

[gusty quest]

Fair enough

[pine epoch]

and with the warring triad gone it left azys lla

[gaunt star]

for the SB 24 mans well it goes after espers for similar reasons

for the ShB it transcends dimensions to kill

[gusty quest]

All this wondering about diamond weapon and Valens aside, I wonder who the final boss of the nier raid series will be

[gaunt star]

angelus

[pine epoch]

inb4 its a Machine Lifeform WoL

or a machine lifeform dwarf

:3

[gusty quest]

Whatever it is I imagine it'll be a monster crossed between drakengard and nier

Should be dope

[severe brook]

they put Proto Ultima into Dun Scaith because it ended up being too easy and too late to retool it totally

whereas Yojimbo was able to stand on his own

[brisk quail]

Greg Trial # 4?

[severe brook]

so i imagine that Shadowbringers' extra trial will be able to be its own fight too

[brisk quail]

More greg trials

[gusty quest]

We fight Greg except he has a mustache

[brisk quail]

MORE GREG TRIALS DAMMIT

[severe brook]

Greg of the First

[brisk quail]

And glasses?

[gusty quest]

Gregamesh

[severe brook]

Greg with a mustache, glasses, and he has a bunch of guns instead of a bunch of bladed weapons

[brisk quail]

I'm not greg. I'm... Mesh La Gilg

[pine epoch]

inb4 Archeaotania Trial

[gusty quest]

"I know not this Gilgamesh of whom you speak. I am Gregamesh!"

[pine epoch]

reuse FFV boss theme

[severe brook]

Kazoo cover of Battle on the Big Bridge

[gusty quest]

A Capella cover of Battle on the Big Bridge

[brisk quail]

I'm not a collector of weapons (though that sword of yours does look mighty fine)

But erm... cough HAVE AT YOU

[gaunt star]

gargantua but midway through it turns into a giant gilgamesh

[brisk quail]

Greg but the DoH DoL trial

[gusty quest]

"For Gargantua. IT IS GILGAMESHING TIME!!"

[severe brook]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLgYLarYRDU

[gusty quest]

...

Holy crap that actually exists

[pine epoch]

inb4, Hildebrand Ultimate. Gilgamesh, Ultros Typhon, Gilgamesh again, Gigi, and Gilgamesh

[gusty quest]

My life is complete

[gaunt star]

Gigi is just Living Liquid but even harder

clap everyones cheeks

[pine epoch]

mechanic mid fight steal the old mans pants

[brisk quail]

And he has a Chicken compatriot named... Eni- I mean udikine

He wears a trech coat to hide his identity. Even though it only covers up to his chest

And not the abundant amount of weapons on his back

And he wears a hat. That just goes on the top of hit horns

[severe brook]

one hat on each horn

[brisk quail]

battle info

Inconspicuous man
Very mysterious

have we met before?

[severe brook]

...so not only is there a kazoo cover of Battle on the Big Bridge

it's official
https://youtu.be/ZolvwYg_Ohk

[pine epoch]

But ya, This is just me, But Archaeotania should be given the Bonus Trial. since in FFV, it is the last boss you face before heading into the final area of the interdimensional rift where exdeath waits. (Tho I'd rather we get necrophobe but he aint in 14 yet), also Archaeotania looks cool

https://aywren.files.wordpress.com/2020/01/ffxiv_01172020_223644_561.png?w=900

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/images/thumb/9/91/Archaeotania.png/300px-Archaeotania.png

[brisk quail]

Okay. The real final battle.

Just all the catuars

The cactuars from every shard combine to be the ultimate cactuar.

Thats the new ultimate fight

Cactuars are secrectly ascians

[severe brook]

Gigantuar

[latent stream]

I'm like 99% there was something like that in the ffx monster arena

[potent marsh]

ultimate attack: 999,999,999,999,999,999 needles

if you get hit by hit, it deletes your character from the server

[brisk quail]

Every attack is fixed damage

Even tank busters

[mighty light]

Sends your character to another datacenter; you need to complete a special quest to go back

[forest magnet]

people would just get hit over and over again to cheese a server transfer and u know it

[viscid monolith]

https://twitter.com/DividusYliaster/status/1338186153430822912

🎄❄ DIVIDUS @ MASSIVE 5.4 LL SPOILERS ❄🎄 (@DividusYliaster)

SEAL OF ORICHALCOS LOOKING ASS LION STRAT FOR E12S

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[pine epoch]

x3 DEAR GOD

[turbid helm]

Day 26: Still waiting on Lady of Blades scrim. I'm down to final rations. Considering eating Lalafell for substance.

[gentle heron]

WoL: "Just go with the flow and leave all that complicated shit with Urianger and my cat admirer."

[brisk quail]

Ah yes. Makes sense

Very understandable. Have a good day

[gaunt star]

From curing tempering to traveling across the void, this patch seems a lot hand-wavey

“You know that impossible thing? Here’s a cute pig and technobabble. It’s fixed!”

[loud pecan]

It's about time we act like the gods we are

[brazen stag]

Whatever. Curing tempering won't bring back the executed.

[severe brook]

I mean it's not technobabble, the explanation for the tempering cure does fit with the existing knowledge we have and builds on what we've been doing for most of the 5.0/5.X storyline

the cute pig is slightly silly, but granted it doesn't need to be a pig, that just happens to be the shape the familiar's in

[rain onyx]

@gentle heron I love the part where Urianger wants us to find a “decent spot” to stand while he does his thing, and the next objective literally has a destination labelled “Decent Spot”

[severe brook]

and while it can't bring back those executed before, it will save the lives of those who remain and come after

[edgy adder]

Any FFVIII fans in here?

[forest magnet]

sorry, I have good taste in games.

[rain onyx]

[loud pecan]

i am

[pine epoch]

@drowsy belfry What the hell is this

[next quarry]

A tower

They're interesting

[pine epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/dmc-devil-may-cry-dante-what-the-hell-is-this-wtf-gif-18707536

[eager fox]

Hi Aza

[next quarry]

Hi teddy

Ohhhh that's what you mean

[gusty quest]

WHAT THE HELL IS THAT!!

[forest magnet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/784203216006152292/786759040276496434/Eo6p_xjUcAES-mG.png

[severe brook]

live footage of the WoL confronting Zenos in 6.0's ending, probably

[subtle pasture]

Or the pain of people who had to put down tempered allies learning there was a cure

Even though it literally took cross dimensional magic

Honestly more impressed a high priest could be cured at all

[gaunt star]

Too much is working in the wol’s favor right now. Maybe they should off yshtola again to drive some drama.

Don’t worry, she’d come back again for the tenth time three quests later.

[subtle pasture]

I mean the twins are actively building up their death flag counts

Taking about their mother, studium days

Alphinaud is doomed

[gaunt star]

I hope so

We need another juicy bit of the story after losing people in heavenward. Sb/shb haven’t had any close characters poof for real.

[subtle pasture]

Tesleen and Hades

[gaunt star]

Maybe tataru. Have her get a visit from Zenos.

I don’t even remember tesleen, sorry. If she died it wasn’t a very memorable offening.

[subtle pasture]

The girl who ran the Inn at Journey's Head

[pine epoch]

you think their doomed. But Alisae is the one making those porxies to cure tempering

I think that mother porxie matoya and alisae are doomed

[forest magnet]

this is some high quality bait holy shit

[gaunt star]

Oh. She was expendable; written off in act 1

[forest magnet]

Moving on,

I was wondering why that scene of Merlwyb giving the Kobold the gun was giving me deja vu

[carmine basin]

To be fair Tesleen and Hades are written to die

[forest magnet]

then i remembered that scene in that fishing village where Yotsuyu gives the villager the gun to shoot her, and he doesn't

poetic cinema

[gaunt star]

I guess the limsa portion of the msq was my favorite this patch. It was a little easy, but merlwyb being awesome can salvage just about anything.

[forest magnet]

it's even funnier because #archived-lore-spoilers were discussing the names of the pistols a few days prior

the primal untempering was pretty nice

but the ending part was kinda meh

like they needed something 'hype' for the story

[wary perch]

What's the group name that fandaniel is in again?

Telopho something

I always forget

[carmine basin]

Telephoroi?

[wary perch]

Yea that

I guess that organisation take over ascian now since ascian is basically defunct

[gaunt star]

I hope we’re not going into a world line expansion. Telephoroi and Fandaniel have a sniff of “other world line wants to unwrite this world line” about him.

[wary perch]

He will summon Unless to end this world and return history back to its true course

[gaunt star]

No, he just wants to make everything kaboom. His coworkers want to do something useful with the kaboom.

[wary perch]

Yea that's what Unless in RAVE do

[severe brook]

when you say world line, do you mean timeline?

like if Fandaniel was somehow from the Black Rose timeline and he wants to destroy this one so his own can endure?

because I don't think that's the case

[heady shadow]

https://twitter.com/FF_XIV_JP/status/1338328666439237635

FINAL FANTASY XIV (@FF_XIV_JP)

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[gaunt star]

In fanny’s case, he seems like he didn’t get enough death and destruction in his own timeline so he wants to bring the party to ours.

Ultimately Fanny isn’t all that interesting. The others using him out of convenience would be the more interesting people.

[severe brook]

I mean I don't think he's from another timeline at all

[gusty olive]

He is grooming/manipulating zenos to be zodiark vessel

[severe brook]

If I had to guess, so far, I think he's from one of the other Shards that has since been rejoined, and he's bitter having lost everything he's known. Especially since we now know that being "uplifted" to Ascian status completely overwrites the new person that soul's become.

[torpid yoke]

perhaps another soul saved from the 13th?

that was kept in stasis till needed

[severe brook]

i guess he could be, if they were keeping him in reserve

though we also now have a possible way to fix the Thirteenth, so he'd ring pretty hollow if that was his motivation

[torpid yoke]

it'd fit if they wanna do void stuff in 6.0

[severe brook]

since now it turns out we can possibly save that world

so i think him turning out to be from a Shard that got rejoined would suit better

[torpid yoke]

how would that work?

(Going off the theory that the feline like mask gaius carries is the previous fandannys mask)

[signal solar]

void might be 7.0

6.0 is most def garlemald at this point

weve hyped it for 2 expacs now

[gaunt star]

garlemald has definitely been the next expansion since heavensward

[severe brook]

some Ascians might be able to escape the rejoining process so they can continue to work for the convocation

but yeah, i guess that does raise the question of how complete the shard has to be for the rejoining to be fully successful

[signal solar]

dont worry guys this time we will go to fight the mcnuggets this next patch for sure this time

[severe brook]

in the sense of, would it not work as well if Ascians raised from that shard are elsewhere at that time?

[gaunt star]

Honestly though, if we do go to Garlemald I hope it's like a two zone thing. And then devote the rest of the expansion to weird stuff like the Void.

[severe brook]

Garlemald isn't the entirety of that continent though

Ilsabard is the largest of the three, so the capital itself wouldn't be the only thing

[gaunt star]

The worst thing we could do for an Empire expansion would be to go through, zone by zone, "recruiting allies," in a carbon copy of Stormblood.

[severe brook]

i mean we'd have other stuff going on besides the imperial plotline

so it'd already be different from stormblood, which had only the imperial plotline happening

[open verge]

Considering the empire is basically in a scramble for who can get their own piece

It will be pretty interesting

[severe brook]

i do think that we'll be making alliances/befriending through Ilsabard, but connecting to the people in each expansion's location, in service to bringing peace to that place, is something that's happened in every expansion.

not just stormblood.

[open verge]

Ilsabard is huge I wonder just how many small towns we go through

[severe brook]

heavensward was about bringing peace between the elves and dragons at the end. shadowbringers involved reforming Eulmore at the end.

[signal solar]

we might even get a hildibrand storyline 6.0

[open verge]

We still going to thavnir?

[gaunt star]

I just cling to Yoship's joke admission we go to the moon in 6.0

if we don't go to the moon I'll joke riot

[open verge]

Feel like it might get set up on 5.5

[severe brook]

my current guess is that Thavnair will be the first zone, with Radz-at-Han as 6.0's city.

[open verge]

I think final zone being the moon is actually possible

[signal solar]

thavnair was never hinted at

[open verge]

I mean

[signal solar]

the moon might just be a dungeon and a trial

[open verge]

You kinda have to go through thavnir to get there right

[severe brook]

there's nothing hinting at it but tactically it'd fit well

[signal solar]

i have no faith

[gaunt star]

lunar bahamut is pretty much flashing lights and sirens that moon is involved