He wants to die
#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
rare sinew
But wants the world to die with him
ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Inb4 lunar bahamut is first dungeon boss
wet crown
I wouldn't be suprised if all the dungeon bosses were lunar primals or at least 4 of them
wet crown
using zodiark as a battery?
rare sinew
Oh. I almost forgot, are there any other FF references this patch?
Well
Like Zodiark is like Pimp Your Ride, but, ya know, ya Eikon
But like, in the raids, for example
I know Cloud of Darkness was one
Is Matoya's Workshop a reference?
wet crown
Wasn't Ultimecia orginally a mistranslation and it was supposed to be Artemicia? So I guess Artemis (Mitron) and his goals overlap a lot with Ultimecia.
Not to mention The Extreme plays in E12S and Gaia has a lot of typical Ultimecia qoutes
rare sinew
Im unfamiliar with other FFs. Never played em
cyan pecan
Ok so I did the YorHa quest, and fuck what just happen
Anogg is dead and she was originally the Older sibling????
gritty violet
Like, the ||titan|| attack Ko'ed the entire party
vale flower
Is there anything to help?
mechanic-wise? it can be a bit overwhelming at first but if you remember which primal does what it helps a lot! also the damage can be pretty rough so make sure your healers keep up
for the primal mechs, if you see crystals with their faces show up, check which ones are tethered. that decides the aoes that will show up:
leviathan: stay in the middle
garuda: cones around boss, i think you had to go to the corners
ramuh: reverse of leviathan, avoid middle
ifrit: front and back cones, go to his sides
later she does two primals at once
then for the mechanics where she imitates primals, for titan there's a raid-wide aoe and also one you need to stack for i think
and ofc the bombs which are a pain in the ass
i think there's two sets of them, you need to find the small bombs and go in the middle of them and then for the second set you need to move away bc the safe zone from the first is now danger zone
gaunt star
twin hair 
pulsar yacht
for titan bombs there's always a pair of large ones. if you think of it like a Y with the large at the top 2 points go to the bottom and then to left/right after the smalls there explode
rare sinew
It was p neat for them to bring back the old mechanics
vale flower
i think there's two sets of them, you need to find the small bombs and go in the...
cont., i had a lot of trouble with shiva bc of the slippery floor but she does aoes on several players - you need to spread for those - aoe for stack and i think one more aoe on everyone where you need to spread.
pulsar yacht
yeah ice floor > aoe on players > stack
vale flower
and for the inbetween mechanics with the adds and crystals the important thing i remember is - make sure to stack in the line aoe so the memory doesnt die but go a bit closer to the edge because there will be an aoe in the middle-ish of the line
pulsar yacht
ice floor is removed part way during stack cast
pulsar yacht
and for the inbetween mechanics with the adds and crystals the important thing i...
yeah bait earthshakers then go middle
rare sinew
Where its a blue line but stack indicator?
I thought you're supposed to just stand at the edge
pulsar yacht
the second memory yeah
rough kestrel
The mechanic where the arrows point in?
2 people bait the attack away, rest stand in the glowy line aoe
rough kestrel
The people with the markers above their head are who are being targete
rough kestrel
The arrows are to say "Stand in it"
But you just have to watch the people with markers so they dont hit you all
rough kestrel
Imagine if you guys had to deal with actual mechanics
rare sinew
I think its cuz one person stood in it and got damaged
rough kestrel
Would be rough
rare sinew
So we all assumed it was bad.
rough kestrel
To be fair the only other time I've seen that type of AOE is in Bozja
In Castrum
So it might be a bit alien
rare sinew
This IS literally a new fight. Expecting everyone to know the exact mechanics is a bit much
gaunt star
welcome to elisitm wagon aoi 
vale flower
yeah, i think this mechanic has been if not introduced, then heavily featured in bozja castrum
that's how i knew it
so if you saw it for the first time in the raid i can absolutely get the confusion :(
pulsar yacht
line stack has been used a couple times but with more plain visual effect
tsukuomi notably
vale flower
yeah, that's a better way to phrase it
but that specific form (with the blue bottom etc) i only saw in bozja so far
rare sinew
Blue bottom reminded me of Susano
gaunt star
Ala Mhigo Garden no longer accessible? this sucks :/
well it was destroyed 
thank fandaniel
Such a random and stupid decision ๐คทโโ๏ธ
yoshi p doesnt care how u feel about it
carmine basin
Use NG+
gaunt star
yoshi p doesnt care how u feel about it
Just... ew
vale flower
soon: royal menagerie restoration
gaunt star
i mean they might add it later one day
rare sinew
Oh god
gaunt star
in 7.0 or 8.0
rare sinew
Royal Menagerie new housing
gaunt star
yeah plant flowers to restore the menagerie
rare sinew
open verge
Is the menagerie big enough?
vale flower
live in the royal menagerie like the fucking animal you are
rare sinew
They'll expand it
open verge
I wouldnโt hate ala mhigan housing
rare sinew
gaunt star
instanced or some shit
open verge
But the entire player base hates ala mhigo for some fucking reason
rare sinew
Im not into the desert
open verge
So well never get it
rare sinew
Cockney desert
gaunt star
well SE writes ala memego kinda awfully
vale flower
... i want... azim steppe housing ..
open verge
What did they do in 1.0
gaunt star
they wanted a head on fight with gaius lol
open verge
Ala mhigo got shafted by the Far East which was some how even more boring
vale flower
porxie housing
gaunt star
i just want personal housing
rare sinew
Unless...
gaunt star
is it too much to ask smh
rare sinew
Void ark restoration
vale flower
thatd be fuckin rad
rare sinew
But i want houses!!!
gaunt star
empty is restored, just turn the camp area into personal housing since its instanced already
wary perch
Personal instance housing mean they need to have the same amount of instance for each playey
viscid monolith
Is that bad?
gaunt star
no, it just people make it seem that its impossible
viscid monolith
But XI did this like 20 years ago
viscid monolith
The housing system has permanently damaged this game. I hope Yoshida remembers that.
viscid monolith
They need to make apartments bigger and give it gardening
Otherwise ya it's just a poor gesture.
rare sinew
I WOULD love a small garden/balcony
forest magnet
it's definitely not a technical limitation
gaunt star
and yoshi p mentioned personal housing years ago so yeah, its a matter of not wanting to do it at this point xd
viscid monolith
It must be another server space limitation
They could have added personal housing after the initial backlash to housing waaaaay back in 2.1
Housing was initially FC only
They could have left the neighborhoods FC only and made personal housing instanced
But some dickwad will probably tell me I don't know what I'm talking and ask me if I have a degree in coding and tell me it isn't that simple.
forest magnet
Well the limit for FC members is 512, right? that's 512 * 60 * 24
that's theoretically 737,000 apartment rooms is the theoretical max
if every fc owned a plot
every fc had maximum players
and every player had a room
that's more than enough server space to handle instanced housing for active players
because then you're including the actual plots themselves
gaunt star
rare sinew
Pls be patient
viscid monolith
And ya. I don't have a degree. But I do know they keep complaining about server space and then piling EVEN MORE HOUSING INSTANCES on top
Also, the neighborhoods are why we can't use glamour dressers in our house.
rare sinew
But instanced housing also means no neighbourhoods
viscid monolith
Glamour dressers crash the entire housing instance
rare sinew
I DO like browsing the cafesz libraries
I WILL take, a sky pirate esque housing
Set a limit to your "tiles" i.e. floating islands
Build out a harbour
Etc
carmine basin
Do the instanced housings in other games have custom furniture too
Like, you can customize how many furniture you have and where you place them
wary perch
Tbh I want white knight chronicle instance housing
loud pecan
speaking of balcony, I hope we'll have access to Large house balcony when we're inside the house, one day
empty moss
i want Sky Pirate floating island instanced housing
loud pecan
Tbh I want white knight chronicle instance housing
i want WKC 3
empty moss
HW raid story had you going to the floating den , and ive always thought that that would be a good housing style
esp considering making it instanced would be easy to justify
gaunt star
- cutscene quality feels... better
- holy shit why is 80% of the voice acting so bad/weird this patch
- ga bu and merlwyb carried 5.4
- burn out the bad
eden cutscenes were my favourite i think
next quarry
People were at home for voice acting
gaunt star
fair enough
aymeric was so
emphatic
i
i dont even know it was just funny how over the top he was
bold condor
It's hard to do without the normal voice direction on hand, yes.
brazen stag
I think Nero caught a cold.
gaunt star
new VA apparently
i like the direction theyre going with the cutscenes though
more camera angles
more... model movement?
kindred rampart
You say that but all I hear is
tfw still no sequel
bold condor
Also, no, there's no confirmation that any VAs except Matoya's have been changed.
And Matoya's is for obvious reasons.
When you have a different microphone and are recording in what is presumably not a booth, your audio quality is going to change.
Also it's been since like HW since Nero had spoken dialogue.
Same with Cid.
kindred rampart
btw did anyone have a shot of y'shtolas reaction to when alph spilled everything?
wary perch
Last he spoke is before going to frontline to activate omega
bold condor
Mhm. So it's possible the voice he's using for the character is either accidentally or intentionally different.
For the record, he doesn't sound different to me.
regal lantern
And Matoya's is for obvious reasons.
That being?
bold condor
Her voice actress from HW passed away from old age in 2019.
Actually, Cid's voice is clearly the same guy from these two videos.
forest magnet
The adjectives Y'shtola describes Matoya spells out the VA's name
serene crest
Apparently the line is slightly different in every other language. It's just in English that they did that.
viscid monolith
polar star
Aymeric: appears once in the story and never again for the whole patch
Aymeric stans: omgomgomg best character is back
carmine basin
I mean he hasn't been relevant in MSQ since ShB, of course people are happy he showed up again
Some are also happy Nero is back again
People are gonna be happy if their favorite characters showed up
kindred rampart
5.4 here's a few of your faves 
5.5 and now we'll off a few 
marsh osprey
i do wonder if fanadiel is gonna be the expansion villain
or inbetween stuff to set up a new threat
with a 5.5 battle between you and zenos going in one epic showdown to the next expansion
forest magnet
well simple villains work pretty well when they're paired with something else
Zenos paired with Yotsuyu + Fordola
Vauthry + Ran'jit
Fandaniel + Zenos doesn't seem too compelling at the moment
We're bascially being blackmailed to go to Garlemald and fight Zenos
kinda ruins the "Thrill of the Hunt" you know
radiant ice
are we inside that orb of darkness thats in the background for eden 9 when the falling tiles phase starts?
maiden lodge
Fandaniel's obviously the new guy they'll develop over the story.
Cause you know Ishikawa
gonna do Ishikawa things
forest magnet
people draw connections to emet selch but at the time we didn't know what the ascian reasoning was
emet selch was the vehicle for that
Fandaniel has made himself clear, he wants to bring about the final days and destroy everyone
and it's not like the sundered ascians would have any ulterior reasoning like the unsundered did
torpid yoke
and it's not like the sundered ascians would have any ulterior reasoning like th...
You can't say that for sure
forest magnet
Elidibus was fleshed out in the only way that the previous set up could allow him to be: A reconstructed primal Elidibus that was an empty shell with only the 'purpose' driving him.
Mitron wanted to be with Loghrif
tried to create a pocket utopia
brazen stag
Ah yeah, that empty shell of Elidibus, yeah, always crying and giving emotional speeches.
forest magnet
crying?
and his emotional speech which is him parroting Iggy
he only gave us like 1 speech and that was in 5.2
Having hte joker as a villain is fine when you have the batman to oppose him
we are not batman
because our dynamic is with Zenos
brazen stag
and his emotional speech which is him parroting Iggy
Don't forget about the one where he says you have murdered his brothers burned their labor to ash and that you are death incarnate.
forest magnet
tbh he was being a really big fuckin hypocrite
that entire instance felt like false equivalency
quasi lava
Am I the only one disappointed that Queen Gunnhildr turned out to be a ||Roegadyn, not a Hrothgar||?
pastel coyote
It was supposed to be but covid it seem
gaunt star
Am I the only one disappointed that Queen Gunnhildr turned out to be a ||Roegady...
I was also super disappointed
forest magnet
hasn't done Castrum yet
But that seems...a gross oversight
the queen of hrothgars was....a roegadyn
quasi lava
I mean, lore says that Hrothgar/ Ronso women DO exist, they aren't a one gender race (same thing with the Viera/ Viis).
calm rock
*hasn't done Castrum yet*
It's justified pretty well, as far as the reason. Most folks are just disappointed that we didn't get to see a female Hrothgar
forest magnet
i guess we're not getting them as playable races, much less npcs even
quasi lava
I can understand not getting them as playable, but having a few NPCs would have been nice.
pastel coyote
well maybe for 6.0 given that...... some queen were imprisoned in Ilsabard right ?
loud pecan
This is super justified by the lore so I really don't mind her being a Roe
dim sigil
e10 sucks
forest magnet
is it worse than middy
dim sigil
I'm sure there is a pattern to it but it feels very very random
I can't tell what the heck is happening or why
ripe flint
If people keep the complaints up, we'll likely eventually see the two missing genders. ๐โโฌ
Yoshi-P made his wording on new races very specific.
quasi lava
This is super justified by the lore so I really don't mind her being a Roe
Justified, perhaps, but doesn't make it less disappointing.
loud pecan
Idk if E10S is shittier than O10S, but E10 looked funnier than O10
dim sigil
Even Justified it feels like a cop-out like oh not everybody was a hrothgar so it just happens to be A different race sometimes
gaunt star
nothing is worse than o10s
forest magnet
byakko ex /s
loud pecan
nothing is worse than o10s
well, possibly icelit dragonsong but let's not talk about this mechanic, it's too soon
strange wing
Oh wait, what if Zenos's new weapon-fu is Save the Queen?
forest magnet
if it's masamune might as well put him in smash bros
calm rock
If it was Save the Queen, then Bozja would likely become an MSQ requirement for 6.0 (assuming Zenos reprises his main antagonist role in 6.0)
And making something like Bozja MSQ relevant might not be the best of ideas
forest magnet
u do realize that would be making the ivaclie raids required too
strange wing
They have had worse ideas I've been told
calm rock
Closest thing was unnerfed Steps of Faith. But, that was more because player skill and difficulty expectation weren't matching the dev's expectations
In terms of content gating, that is
Putting Ivalice and Bozja behind MSQ would be far beyond that
pastel coyote
i don't see how making ivalice msq is a bad idea, it was a good raid
bozja will be more..... complicated thank to CLL
deep creek
Wow that was a twist about Anogg I didnt expect
pastel coyote
Well if you have knowledge about drakengard it's kinda worse
pastel coyote
i think i would have prefer find an egg of the king from berserk instead of that
severe brook
Can't wait for [Drakengard]||a horde of tentacled angel Anoggs to show up in the final YorHa raid||
forest magnet
Closest thing was unnerfed Steps of Faith. But, that was more because player ski...
it wasn't mechanically difficult outside the dragonkillers...
grand parcel
listening to E12N's music seriously makes me wonder how they're going to top this and O12S' music for the next soundtrack
loud pecan
music is becoming better and better
strange wing
Oh huh. I somehow missed the new Yorha quest. Hopefully they let out some l o r e
calm rock
it wasn't mechanically difficult outside the dragonkillers...
That was the issue, though. No one wanted cannon duty, dragonkiller duty, or bothered to hit the bindings. Newcomers were too confused, afraid to screw things up, or lazy. Folks who got it in roulette abandoned instantly more often than not.
Hell, even post-nerf folks would still drop immediately if they got it in Trial Roulette midway through Stormblood's patch cycle
next quarry
He's such a big nerd, I love him
His existence means more FF3 references too
Owen being mentioned made me so happy
viscid monolith
I'm glad people are waking up to Graha's cringe
It's easy to think it's cute. Until you realize he's effectively 121 years old.
I wish he could be just a liiiittle bit more composed
open verge
Id imagine he gets more serious the longer heโs around
I really liked the Eden story this patch
Pretty nice
Only story I didnโt like this patch was msq
But it a .4 setup patch so I canโt be tooo harsh
open verge
When will Zenos appear for more then 5 seconds
Heโs been sitting on a fucking chair the entire expansion btw
next quarry
He got up
livid vault
I thought the MSQ was fantastic
I loved msq, so much Merlwyb screentime yessss
open verge
Yea the merlwyb stuff was cool but
I wanted to see fanny dan
It was a setup patch story so I canโt be to harsh on it
I havenโt went out to find the towers yet
brisk quail
graha is so fucking cringe
Come on. Just let my WoL ||Hugg|| him.
wind bough
Gโraha is cringe and I love him
swift kraken
yes
i love him because hes so fucking cringe
i want to hug him and shove him in a locker at the same time
livid vault
Come on. Just let my WoL ||Hugg|| him.
Damn my gutter brain
livid vault
wind bough
You mean the flexing topless Roes?
pastel coyote
yep
heady shadow
I saw someone complaing about sitting on chairs
remember in kh2 we got a boss sitting in a chair.
then in BBS that guy stood up.
viscid monolith
Hmm
wind bough
Is it?
viscid monolith
Who are you talking about Scree
wind bough
Idk
viscid monolith
No Heart?
heady shadow
ye
viscid monolith
Oh by the way Gaia said she used the power of darkness to stp Ryne's light. Not time magic.
Wow no one said the Cloud of Darkness was a primal
The one we fight in E9 anyway
wet crown
I did.
Fatebreaker and Shadowkeeper are also primals
Honestly, for being an expansion set in a different shard, we got a buttload of primals.
dim sigil
a whole 11 of them
forest magnet
isn't it only 7
wet crown
Wait, I'm counting 10.
forest magnet
it's the 6 elements+ CoD
wet crown
ahh crap, yes
dim sigil
cod is a primal no
wet crown
I forgot leviathan
dim sigil
the eden one
wet crown
She is summoned as one, yes
wet crown
Heritors, CoD, Shadowkeeper, Fatebreaker, Elidibus
forest magnet
are they primals or are they more like creation magic stuff
wet crown
primals
dim sigil
e1-11 are primals far as im aware
dim sigil
oh tru
wet crown
and it's a sin eater
dim sigil
do we count rock pasta as its own
dim sigil
i mean edlibus so 12
i feel titana was suposed to be one or somthing she just doesnt feel like a sineater
wet crown
Well...they were a lightwarden at least
forest magnet
do the shiny dudes count as primals
forest magnet
why not
wet crown
because they were soul pieces from warriors of other shards
wet crown
with lies from Elidibus
forest magnet
idk how talking to a soul shard makes it juiced up
like the Anima weapon uses aether from our soul and it took who knows how long to get it to even manifest itself
much less get any sort of combat viability
brisk quail
I wouldn't count ||shadow keeper or thancred-jit the sin eater|| as primals
At least imho
viscid monolith
If they're summoned the same as the other they are
wet crown
They were summoned with Eden's accumulated aether and the cognitive images of people. Though in the Demon Shibe's case, it was the collective unconscious, I guess.
They are primals.
dim sigil
and this limitless eden enegry comes form the ascian resources i assumr
wet crown
From Mitron's mutated body, yes.
wispy pelican
So azem was a badass lol
dim sigil
was she really
viscid monolith
So Mitron as Eden began the flood of light because he was influenced by Arbert's desire to banish the darkness.
strong dew
does Emerald Weapon go here or the lore spoilers?
viscid monolith
Yes
strong dew
xD
i'll just talk about it here to be safe.
Valens is basically Hojo. I wanna punch him in the face, repeatedly.
viscid monolith
@strong dew I'm sorry I'm a fucking moron
Anything 5.4 goes here
I misread your message
viscid monolith
Wow he really is a simp
gaunt star
I just want gaiaโs tree hat
torpid yoke
Wow he really is a simp
He's just lonely
primal basalt
โhis only crime was loving too much.โ
dim sigil
to think he was to be msq
forest magnet
Forgiven Simp
severe brook
oh that's a good point, Mitron being Eden does make it make sense that he was the original final boss for 5.0
even besides Eden just being the first/biggest Sin Eater
pine epoch
I honestly kinda want to see the original 5.0 script now
just to see what would of been
dim sigil
I'm sure it would have been fleshed out more but I think they made the right choice making it all about emet and his deal ovet Mitron and gaia
severe brook
yeah, I imagine the original plot would've had Mitron/Eden be the lead-in to the Ascian Reveal in 6.0
maybe have Eden hint at it a little bit, go into detail about the Ancients with Elidibus in the next expansion
I don't know if Amaurot was in that original script, but the concept of the Ascians creating Zodiark to save themselves probably was the plan for a good long while
pine epoch
if the eden quest line is just a condensed version of the original 5.0 plot. Probably the dungeons and trial would of revolved around killing Elemental Sin Eaters to restore balance
severe brook
I'm not entirely sure if it would have. The original plotline might've still been pretty similar to what we got, just without Emet-Selch
with Innocence being the primary antagonist, only for Eden to then arise after his death and the apparent end of the Flood
so the final Zone probably would've been the Empty, having to go fight against Eden as it threatens to reawaken and bring about the Flood anew
dim sigil
then some raid series about a dude named emet?
severe brook
I have no idea what the 8-man raid was going to be in the original script
i don't think they even had Emet-Selch/Hades planned in any capacity then, otherwise yeah I'd imagine we'd have the Amaurot 8-man Raid Series
dim sigil
some fortune teller you are
dim sigil
I feel like there is a main villain for the next expansion that we don't know yet because I just can't see it being dan
gaunt star
Fanny is dead before the next expansion drops for sure
primal basalt
thatโs his plan
gaunt star
Maybe even zenos as we know him, too
severe brook
I figure the original script's 6.0 would've had Elidibus stay in Zenos' body, acting in an advisory role to Varis throughout while Zenos just died for real at the Royal Menagerie.
dim sigil
Especially since 6.0 is supposed to be the end of the current storyline that has been going on this far I feel like got to have something
severe brook
then at the end we'd get the reveal of Elidibus' true nature as he prepares to merge again with Zodiark for the 6.0 final boss
gaunt star
Lunar bahamut is either 6.0 msq or mooncoil boss :V
severe brook
I feel like there is a main villain for the next expansion that we don't know ye...
I mean Fandaniel wouldn't be the only antagonist, he has Zenos and the other Telophoroi to play off of
severe brook
There was a mention that the original script for Shadowbringers had Eden as the final boss of 5.0 instead of Hades
severe brook
and that Yoshi-P shut down the idea and had Hades/Emet-Selch put in
gaunt star
Good for the devs for making 5.0 more personal
severe brook
so we were discussing what that script would've looked like in other ways
severe brook
since it would at least have a different final zone, 8-man raid, and probably other stuff going on after
viscid monolith
So this means the Ascians do get killed from to time
Also it's kinda dumb that Gaia looks so much like her previous life as an Ascian.
pine epoch
So, Fandaniel is most likely going to be buddy cop role with Zenos in 6.0
topaz dune
really hope Zeno's isnt the Not Sephiroth down the road
severe brook
it also means they aren't just all "copies" of the OG's memories, they remember each iteration even though their reincarnated life's memories are overwritten
viscid monolith
They also remember every time they die and are reborn
topaz dune
viscid monolith
Yes Blitz this is big
severe brook
BogChamp
pine epoch
as every expansion build up patch series. the villain for the expac is always introduced during the patch series early on
severe brook
BigChamp
pine epoch
in either .3 or .4
topaz dune
bugchomp*
tropic frigate
i'd be fine with it so long as they put their own spin on him
topaz dune
tropic frigate
like a big spin
severe brook
I mean honestly Fandaniel is laying on the nihilism pretty thick
tropic frigate
with just slight references to sephiroth
severe brook
to the point i'm certain there's more to him than he's acting like
pine epoch
thordan was introduced in 2.3, Zenos in 3.4, and 4.4 for emet
severe brook
i'm not saying that i think he can be reasoned with, he likely can't, but that doesn't mean he has no reason
topaz dune
true, if they induce the Sephiroth vibes too much, might as well bring in Not Angeal and Not Genesis
forest magnet
wait zenos was 3.4? I thought he didn't show up until the very last cutscene of 3.56
just sitting in his chair
severe brook
i mean Zenos isn't just a Sephiroth reference, he has elements of other villains as well
pine epoch
Griffon introduces Zenos to us talking about how merciless he is
forest magnet
oh
pine epoch
in 3.4
severe brook
like how in some regards he's a twisted Vayne, reflecting how he once led the XIIth Legion
in terms of being an imperial prince who has merged with a warped draconic entity for his final battle
though unlike Vayne, he survived past that
and he's much less well-intentioned
primal basalt
the fact that itโs the xiith legion and not the viith should tell you something
forest magnet
final not final battle
well ff4 got shafted when matsuno decided to make the 4th legion another ff12 reference
very cool
primal basalt
still, we got a mention of the iiird legion, right after the expansion about the flood of light and the crystal tower
forest magnet
3rd legion is nerva's
severe brook
they mean Gabranth in XII, who the one in XIV is referencing
unreal wadi
forest magnet
i mean why not just name the 4th legion legatus golbez
topaz dune
and since XIV lets the writers twist past FF games/refferences into here for fun
severe brook
which i'm not entirely complaining about, i enjoy the Ivalice and Bozja content
primal basalt
golbez and gabranth are probably pretty close in japanese
severe brook
but i am a bit disappointed because i like Golbez
topaz dune
im not sure if more XII and Type-0 will be made
forest magnet
I need to make a tier list for FF representation in XIV
severe brook
could be interesting to have the tier list cover both overall rep and rep by expansion
as some expansions do focus on a few games in particular
primal basalt
do we count lightning noctis and that girl from 11 just showing up as representation or cameo or both
topaz dune
@primal basalt eh?
severe brook
those are more just crossovers
not really comparable to how the game usually reinvents things from older games into the plot
topaz dune
also since the enxt expansion will dive into the areas of where the ivalcie story took place
primal basalt
ah, so 15 would be dead last, then
topaz dune
there may be mroe XII & Type0 stuff
severe brook
like, the Crystal Tower characters are referencing characters from FF3 but FF3 didn't literally take place in XIV's world
topaz dune
if of course Gabranth sticks around
severe brook
compared to the Lightning Strikes event
where it was the actual Lightning Farron arriving in Eorzea and then leaving once the event was done
the more direct crossovers tend to not have too much relevance in the grand scheme of things, basically being soft canon i'd say
like they happened but they'll never be important
primal basalt
and how do you quantify gilgamesh
severe brook
Gilgamesh is Gilgamesh
he gets a pass because he's like this in every game
he just shows up, plays his part, and leaves into the void again at the end
and then we have Nier which feels like one of the overt crossovers but also has some integration into the overall narrative
pine epoch
And then we have our recent example of referencing a past character
Gaia and Mitron double team make up ultimecia and squall
without actually being either of them
pulsar yacht
And dragon quest or ff11 crossovers which just existed because why not (unless theres a reference somewhere to giant shantotto)
severe brook
...yeah in a way i guess that Mitron and Loghrif are like a twisted Squall and Rinoa
pine epoch
Also reason gaia or mitron didn't end up directly being ultimecia is also because of Omega quests due to playerfeed back majority hating referencing for the sake of referencing
primal basalt
and we throw in that โultimeceaโ is probably a japanese extrapolation of ||artemis||
severe brook
though you'd have expected Mitron to be Fandaniel considering Squall's animal motif
pine epoch
inb4, we get more info in 5.5 and 6.0 about fandaniel and he ends up being 14s Kuja reference. Zodiark ends up being our necron.
severe brook
i mean i'd say Zenos is our Kuja, in a roundabout way
actually...wait is the IXth Shard rejoined?
pine epoch
Uh let me check lore spoilers real quick
primal basalt
iโd love to fight the ixth legion
severe brook
there's the theory that Fandaniel is as nihilistic as he is because his home shard is gone
if he turns out to have been from the IXth
then maybe he is Kuja
pine epoch
Nope we sitll have the 9th
severe brook
i do remember the VIth Shard is gone too
so they could lean into a kefka reference with him, maybe
his outright nihilism could be part of that
pulsar yacht
Cant speak for anyone else but my gripe with omega raids was nothing but battle simulation and tea with seawater and then suddenly lore dump after o10. The pacing in eden was better but still a fina tier dump where mitron was a modified ultimecia for the sake of getting gaia to be another witch (ascian)
pine epoch
but ya, Rom put like Zenos and Fandaniel in a very good light that makes their situation poetic. That they are the consequences of the Unsundereds Actions. Born from the systems the ascians have created.
pulsar yacht
And the memories/previous floors going nothing with memories like gfs in 8 yeeting memories
pine epoch
that now without the unsundered their creations will now bring the end of the world
open verge
Isnโt fandaniel immortal
primal basalt
get some auracite
pine epoch
but a strong attack to unmake his soul will kill him
severe brook
Zodiark and the Empire fit as that as well
primal basalt
which we always seem to have
topaz dune
eternal youth perhaps
severe brook
things the Ascians made that now spiral out of control
forest magnet
could be interesting to have the tier list cover both overall rep and rep by exp...
what do you think, whipped this one up using examples off the top of my head
open verge
He could be aware that their is no way to bring is people back and he just wants to die
primal basalt
good start
pulsar yacht
Might have bee coincidence ashishi was the most likable body to pick up
pine epoch
Galuf and the dawn warriors are also referenced in Eureka
primal basalt
we still need to comb through dungeons for more references
pulsar yacht
(Not necessarily the most likable character during sb)
primal basalt
like how heroes gauntlet is loaded with ff5 references
open verge
It is?
primal basalt
thereโs a chicken knife, thereโs a berserker
forest magnet
I'm doing representation by notability
open verge
Oh
forest magnet
and btw i've never seen a red mage glamour the chicken knife
pine epoch
the 3 bosses are, Phantom Thief is designed based on Locke from 6, Phantom necromancer is based on Lennas (FF5)necromancer attire, and Phantom Berserker is based on bartz (Berserker attire FFV)
primal basalt
all the bosses were jobs in 5
open verge
Emet selch is ff15 representation 
pulsar yacht
Would have been a much stronger reference if chicken knife got stronger from running away
open verge
Itโs kinda hard to make ff15 representation though
Itโs not like ff15 made any new summons
forest magnet
black garuda
pine epoch
Technically a lot of the allagan tech is a mix of FF4 and FF13 magitek
Allagan Nodes are a reference to the Giant of Babil Nodes/Core
severe brook
what do you think, whipped this one up using examples off the top of my head
Things I'd add:
FF1: Matoya
FF2: Varis probably, but pretty poor rep overall
FF4: The Seat of Sacrifice adds, Estinien plays out similarly to Kain
FF6: Azys Lla, Warring Triad, Regula
FF7: Nael, Vauthry's origins are arguably a distorted Sephiroth
FF8: Ragnarok in Dalamud
FF9: Hades feels like a reference to Garland and Kuja at different times, Vauthry's role is similar to Brahne
FF10: The "Tidus" joke, arguably the Holy See of Ishgard, not much else
FF T-0: Bozja and the IVth have some Type 0 stuff involved too
dim sigil
FF15: Car
open verge
Where is crystal chronicle representation
pine epoch
There are some heavy handed references, and then there are Soft References which carry either the same name and shape but are not directly the same thing
random anvil
was Ozma anywhere pre ffix?
severe brook
XV's garuda was cool but would be hard to work into XIV on account of already having been in XIV
and no Ozma was new to IX
primal basalt
whereโs the mystic quest representation
forest magnet
Ff9 Alexander is the model that XIV uses right
open verge
There isnโt anything ff14 can pull from ff15 imo
severe brook
It's not 1 to 1 but i'd say XIV's Alexander Prime is a mix of VI and IX's design
pine epoch
FF9 Alexander is a medieval castle
severe brook
there have been some XV references actually
pine epoch
Alex Prime is more closer to 6
random anvil
i feel like castlexander was in earlier ffs
open verge
Really?
severe brook
there are mechs in Puppet's Bunker that are based on Imperial Mechs in XV
the Light Artillery Units I think
dim sigil
no
severe brook
the ones you fight before they blow up the floor and you fall into the hangar
but there aren't really any other references
besides Solus/Emet-Selch arguably being similar to Ardyn in his introduction
and even then I think Garland and Kuja are better comparisons for him by the end
severe brook
the bipedal ones?
the one thing arguably making emet-selch an ardyn allusion is that he's related to the royal family he's manipulated
random anvil
imo ff8 representation is barely "good"
severe brook
though in XIV the relation is much more immediate
open verge
Wasnโt Eden all ff8
forest magnet
The Seat of Sacrifice adds for FF4
you know i was going to put that but someone said that the only plausible reference were the twin whm/blm, that was it
we had an argument about it idk if u remember
dim sigil
ok fine a little
severe brook
eden's framing device is FF8 but not much of the "body" of it is FF8
forest magnet
they made some good points
severe brook
i was referring to these ones
random anvil
the only thing ff8 about Eden is eden itself and the music
not enough fanservice comapred to Ivalice or FFIII/fFV
pine epoch
open verge
@dim sigil wtf is that?
forest magnet
not enough fanservice comapred to Ivalice or FFIII/fFV
Yes that's why FF8 representation is 2 tiers lower than those two, wait ff5?
dim sigil
@open verge from bunker
severe brook
enemy YorHa units from the second Nier Raid
random anvil
wait ff5 is only good ๐ค
severe brook
we also have Krile for FF5
gaunt star
what do you think, whipped this one up using examples off the top of my head
Other FF4 Stuff:
- Dragoons first two artifact sets
- Dark Knight
- Cecil's Dark Knight and Paladin head pieces are in game
- Dalamud is a reference to the moon in FF4
- By proxy Bahamut is also partially a reference to Lunar Bahamut already
- Mist Dragon as a boss in the Burn
- Ursula's outfit is Monk's AF2
- Samurai's Artifact in SHB is a flipped and more armoured version of Zangetsu from the After Years
- Estinien's character arc is Kain's
- Calcabrina
- Allagan nodes
- Mom Bomb
open verge
where???
severe brook
and Galuf
open verge
Where the heโll do they come in
random anvil
i feel like ffv would be "great"
open verge
Are they from the mobs after first boss
severe brook
they're fought right before getting into the Bunker proper
forest magnet
wtf is a mom bomb
severe brook
yes
open verge
Oh ok
primal basalt
also i saw octomammoth as a fish you could catch
random anvil
with Gilgy, Krile, exdeath
open verge
Wrong guy
forest magnet
i feel like ffv would be "great"
I bumped it up to very good
open verge
random anvil
yee
gaunt star
FF4 has good representation, just not as overt and fanservicey as other stuff
It's stuff you'll get if you played FF4, but not as in your face like Ivalice stuff
forest magnet
Great is for the most overt fanservice like FF12 and FF3
open verge
Ff13 raid tier next expansion
random anvil
i guess with GNB, ff8's rep is boosted by a lot
forest magnet
FF12 is inspiration for Stormblood, Return to Ivalice, and now Bozja
plus the Viera reace
severe brook
i'm predicting the 24 man will be IV inspired or XIII inspired
forest magnet
FF3 has Shadowbringers and CT raid tier
severe brook
assuming it's not a Dragon Quest crossover or something like that
gaunt star
i want the ff4 four fiends as trials
open verge
I think 24 man will be Parasite eve
gaunt star
severe brook
I'd really like to see the Archfiends as a Trial Series like the Weapons
open verge
JK i think next 24 man will be original
pine epoch
surprisingly Tactics Ogre has POTD, Nybeth, Lyon, Abelio, Wind Caller hair
open verge
Like void ark
severe brook
unfortunately one of them would have to be shafted to a solo instance at most
since we only have one dungeon per patch now, so they likely won't have an optional dungeon for one of the Fiends like they did for Genbu in Four Lords
primal basalt
i wanna see vagrant story representation
severe brook
otherwise, I'd predict us getting Mt. Ordeals as a dungeon with Scarmiglione as a recurring boss throughout
primal basalt
like the next part of bozja after dr is just called โlea mondeโ
severe brook
then Cagnazzo, Barbariccia, and Rubicante would each have their own trials
gaunt star
make 3 trials, the first two are dual fights
Rubicante and Barbaricca, then Cagnazzo and Scarlilasladalisfhsdflj
then like, golbez expy for final one
or just have have scarshfsldufhsldifh and cagnazzo as one fight
mint axle
Should there be a Solo Instance after Diamond Weapon in 5.5?
gaunt star
rubicante and baricca seperate
pulsar yacht
wtf is a mom bomb
Mother bomb is a filler boss in 4 when first going to kabul. It/she attacks the party because reasons and is formed from smaller bomb moops calcabrena style
gaunt star
oih wait im fucking dumb
forest magnet
version 0.2
primal basalt
also, was purloboros specific to 5 or did they show up elsewhere?
cause i remember seeing them in syrcus tower
severe brook
we also have some XIII references amongst Allagan things, especially in the The Twinning
gaunt star
1st Trial: Mt Ordeals - Cagnazzo and Scarmiglione
2nd Trial: Babil - Rubicante and Barbaricca
3rd Trial: ??? - Geryon
forest magnet
really?
severe brook
you could likely just condense it to The Twinning in the chart
yeah
the Cyborg Flan enemies
the first boss and its adds are XIII's Behemoths
the second boss is from XIII as well
gaunt star
you also need to put down the dwarves for ff4
they are one of the most blatant ff4 references
forest magnet
how is holy see a FFX reference?
primal basalt
pretty sure dwarves were a thing before 4
pulsar yacht
Having trouble connecting it to 10s church of yevon
forest magnet
yeah but they say lali ho
primal basalt
the holy see is a reference to the vatican
severe brook
in terms of being a corrupt religion whose higher-ups are twisted by a dangerous power
forest magnet
eeeh
pulsar yacht
Yeah an isolated religious city-state
gaunt star
FF4 Dwarves, some of them live in Tomra, they say Hi-ho, and others say Lali-ho
Giott is in ff4
severe brook
and whose leader arguably goes rogue even from that religion to attain godlike power and end suffering
gaunt star
and they look identical between ff4 and ff14
severe brook
though Seymour wanted to do it by death, and Thordan through control
primal basalt
also vauthryโs jesters are basically identical to zorn and thorn from ix
pulsar yacht
Iirc there was ano reference to rali-ho/lali-ho (depending on localization of r's and l's)
severe brook
also vauthryโs jesters are basically identical to zorn and thorn from ix
that was also why i said Vauthry's role is somewhat similar to Brahne
brisk quail
version 0.2
Where's the XIV representation? 
forest magnet
random anvil
for the Eden continuation, Gaia and Ryne should make a Balamb Garden and sail into the empty with a bunch of people
to repopulate it and stuff
severe brook
Where's the XIV representation? <:kek:732183601252139028>
Gaius
random anvil
Where is my Seiken Densetsu crossover
brisk quail
for the Eden continuation, Gaia and Ryne should make a Balamb Garden and sail in...
byyeeee we're off to repopulate the empty! Have fun!
Me: excuse me what?
desert stone
come back to the Empty on fire
random anvil
It;s like how each expac has its own evolving town
severe brook
i could maybe see us getting Empty Restoration in a future expansion; they've talked about making Eden a requirement for the MSQ anyway so if it was after the requirement point it wouldn't be an issue.
serene crest
One of my friends was disappointed that they didnโt give the campsite the name Balamb Garden
Imo thatโs a reaching a little
gaunt star
they could have had balamb garden been a place in amarout
that mitron and loghriff went to a lot
and Gaia would name that spot after it from her fragmented memories
severe brook
i think the closest Eden got to having a reference that outright before the end was having Ramuh be fought in the Thunder Plains from X
primal basalt
is ixion on the list as a x reference
random anvil
i'll admit that having a place be straight up called Balamb Garden would be a bit too on the nose
they should've made Leviathan do the shitty "S" shape like it did in ff8 
gaunt star
i'll admit that having a place be straight up called Balamb Garden would be a bi...
looks at ivalice
yeah
one location is too on the nose
random anvil
i meaaaaannnnn that was an entire area and everything
inserting Balamb Garden in Aumarot woulda thrown me off hard, but maybe they could've made it work
brisk quail
i meaaaaannnnn that was an entire area and everything
inserting Balamb Garden in...
Something something. Put it in the empty and forget about it.
Put a small light in the sky box when you're in the eden zone on the horizon when it's nightime
severe brook
Galbadia will turn out to be an Ilsabardian nation adjacent to Garlemald that was assimilated early, and their sport is Hockey so we can have a dungeon culminate in fighting the Galbadian Slappers
random anvil
I'm just imagining the actual garden in aumarot in the middle of alll the tall buildings or in the void of darkness they always talk in
gaunt star
well i more meant like
severe brook
just floating in the Chrysalis at a lopsided angle
gaunt star
an acutal garden
severe brook
no one acknowledges it
random anvil
hey. as long as the balamb garden song becomes an orchestrion roll, I might not mind how shoehorned it is
severe brook
Balamb Garden was the Words of Halmarut
serene crest
hey. as long as the balamb garden song becomes an orchestrion roll, I might not ...
I mean considering the name of the last Eden quest is Where I Belong it sort of makes sense that theyโd play it there since one of the four versions from VIII has that name as well.
(Although itโs actually Ami and not Where I Belong that they chose)
normal kindle
You know. I really like the fact that we have a reborn Ascian with us now.
Free from the burden of their mission.
It seems that only the full red masks are wholly under Zodiark's thrall.
Fandaniel has shown us that red masks are capable of autonomy if they've been reborn through the lifestream.
severe brook
We already know that death undoes tempering, as we saw with Nael and Louisoix
normal kindle
You know what's interesting though?
severe brook
so presumably the original sundered Ascians were un-tempered when they died, and only acted as such once "reborn" by having their memories restored, and even then could still go rogue, as we see with Fandaniel
and arguably with Nabriales trying to usurp Elidibus
normal kindle
What will happen when such massy souls like Emet Selch reincarnate?
They will be all powerfully dense souls like before, yes?
severe brook
my guess is that they are split up amongst the shards
in the three cases it's happened
normal kindle
I though the others split because they were dead or died during the sundering.
But I dont think the souls travel between shards.
I mean I guess they could since Ascians can travel between the shards. but wouldnt it be possible for them to reincarnate with all of their might intact?
serene crest
A small thing but I really like that little detail that using the convocationโs crystals is shown to take some time for the new old memories to take in.
normal kindle
I liked that too, apparently it was a pretty taxing process as well.
Maybe it will allow us to get some sneak peeks to our memories as well as Azem.
Maybe ours is a tragic tale of scandalous bromantic love with Emet that the devs are too scared to explore?!
severe brook
no one died due to the sundering itself, but it did make them mortal so any versions of the other Ascians would've died of old age if nothing else killed them first. then each of their souls entered that shard's lifestream and were reborn later, and then uplifted later.
in regards to Azem's memories, they likely aren't contained in the crystal we received from Hythlodaeus as that crystal was made in secret by Emet, after Azem had defected.
torpid yoke
i thought they could just create the memories themselves
wary perch
They can't
They need to imbued the crystal with the memory like how the scions and other did for their memory before cross over to another shard
Since azem already left the convocation when they do that, they don't have azem memories
torpid yoke
shrug
Shower thought for apoc main weapon. They use gunshields and they load the potions into the shield and shoot them at their allies or enemies XD
severe brook
the other crystals existed before the final days, as they'd already been in use during normal Ancient society to help new members of the Convocation adjust to their position similar to modern Job Crystals. My guess is that each Convocation member made their crystals as up-to-date as possible as the Final Days approached Amaurot so that they'd have backups in case of their deaths.
maiden lodge
Emet made them.
He was told, by Elidibus, not to make one for Azem, because of the defection.
torpid yoke
the other crystals existed before the final days, as they'd already been in use ...
where was this said
severe brook
i'd thought the others existed before and then the original azem one was destroyed
i must have misremembered
my mistake
torpid yoke
Was about to say i dont recall anyone mentioning them existing before the final days
wary perch
Each new convocation only inherit the title and job description when they become a convocation member, there's no memory overwrite in this
torpid yoke
Though they all have varying timeframes for the memories so who knows :D
wary perch
They only have the crystal after or right before they summoned zordiak since azem already left by then
severe brook
my flawed thought process had thought they weren't used for total memory overwrite beforehand, only to help new members adjust to their position
but again, even that is false
wary perch
Non of that is mentioned in game though
severe brook
...i think it was something someone else mentioned and i figured i must've missed something
anyway let's move on
torpid yoke
anyway let's move on
Yea like how chemist/apoc should get a gunshield to shoot their potions at people
:D
severe brook
i still stick with the idea that their weapon should be a syringe crossbow
gusty quest
How would that be damaging against mechanical enemies like the weapons?
turbid aspen
Corrosive bolt tip?
wary perch
Gnb do that right when they use the healing and shield ability
late willow
Just be that one character from Battlerite
severe brook
i mean how is Bard damaging against mechanical enemies like the Weapons?
the same principle can be applied, using magic to empower things to pierce and affect stuff they shouldn't
late willow
The real answer is just don't think about it
How is a Dragoon piercing through steel armour?
rain onyx
How do we punch ghosts
severe brook
magic is a hell of a thing - Aulus probably
bold condor
What do you mean how is a Dragoon piercing through steel armor?
severe brook
"magic is a hell of a thing" - Aulus probably
bold condor
Do you think ghosts are intangible?
rain onyx
Maybe?
bold condor
Because they're not.
tropic frigate
how am i hitting a thing floating above me as a melee
severe brook
Hades could be argued to have been shaping aether into a larger physical body during the fight
bold condor
So a ghost.
severe brook
yes
viscid monolith
So at this point, when do you think Hades made Azem's crystal?
severe brook
My current guess is that he was manipulating aether to create it in his last moments
viscid monolith
That's what I think too
severe brook
setting it up and concealing it within the replicated Amaurot, along with the pre-existing crystals, until the time was right
alternatively, i guess he could've just been lingering and watching from the aetherial sea, creating it and giving it to hythlodaeus after seeing what elidibus was doing and planning a way to bring him down
but i don't really like the idea of him still being able to do full-on creation magick after he's died
torpid yoke
I like the idea that he made it in his last moments with the last of his aether and sent it to hytlodaus
severe brook
the reason i say he was concealing them within Amaurot until they were ready is because there were the other Crystals as well that we find, leading us to Hythlodaeus
forest magnet
latest revision
severe brook
unless Hythlodaeus was just given all of them and then dropped them in a trail, which is a funny image
torpid yoke
latest revision
Did you make this list?
tropic frigate
i think some are regular mobs
torpid yoke
i mean you could coutn type 0 and 13 in the same catagory Kappa
forest magnet
The Beaver Questline is apparently a FF2 reference?
viscid monolith
Yes
bold condor
I don't think it's quite right to just put
viscid monolith
Guy could speak beaver
bold condor
"Stormblood" as an FF12 reference.
That'd be like putting "Heavensward" as an FF4 or FF6 reference.
viscid monolith
You could add Bozja to XII
bold condor
Aside, Castrum Abania is specifically a reference to the Magitek Research Facility from FF6.
viscid monolith
Or just add Gabranth
bold condor
Also Guard Scorpion as the first boss in Ala Mhigo for FF7.
XIIth Legiion isn't really a XII reference in and of itself the same way like
VII is.
viscid monolith
Ok ya then just add Gabranth
bold condor
Gabranth is IVth Legion btw.
viscid monolith
Oh
bold condor
Also, Dwarves are an FF1 reference, Xuan.
Only Giott is an FF4 reference, specifically.
viscid monolith
Oh riiight Zenos was XIIth Legion
bold condor
Owen from 5.4 is another FF3 reference.
Owen, in FF3, was the father of Desch.
And placed Desch in cryogenic sleep within the Tower of Owen.
viscid monolith
Calca and Brina are a reference to a FF. Don't know which.
bold condor
G'raha, of course, is a reference to Desch (as is his ancestor literally named Desch).
Calcabrina is from FF4.
Also like
Alphascape v1.0.
Is obviously a reference to FF1.
Alphascape v2.0 is a reference to FF6.
viscid monolith
Rommy
bold condor
Wait, the Twinning is an FFXIII reference?
viscid monolith
Why does Gaia look the same as her previous incarnation as an Ascian
bold condor
She doesn't.
She looks similar but her previous incarnation had clearly different facial features.
Because she used a Highlander model face, while Gaia's is unique to her.
forest magnet
same lipstick tho
viscid monolith
Idk they were clearly trying to make her look similar
bold condor
If you're curious why she has basically the same fashion sense, keep in mind Gaia isn't even the name her parents gave her.
forest magnet
i can't list every reference
cuz then the list would be too long
but yeah the mobs in twinning and the 2nd boss are ff13
bold condor
Mitron may have been pushing her to subconsciously resemble her predecessor as well.
viscid monolith
Right. Mitron's influence caused her to remember her name as an ancient.
bold condor
Some might, yes.
viscid monolith
Also it's pretty cool that Ascian incarnations remember their other incarnations
forest magnet
I thought Ancient society removed all identifiers from people except their mask :p
viscid monolith
So they remember dying and being raised every time
This also implies Loghrif dies a lot
bold condor
They don't, they just don't publicly wear many identifiers.
They weren't wholly homogenous.
forest magnet
Alphascape v2.0 is a reference to FF6.
Middy was in FF6?
bold condor
Correct. Specifically VI Advance.
He was dummied out of the original VI.
Though he WAS in Super Mario RPG with a different appearance.
viscid monolith
Also how did Loghrif die just from the Shadowkeeper's monster form being split?
It sounds like had it so easy
bold condor
Probably from being attacked a bunch with an axe, sword, arrows, and sorcery.
viscid monolith
They never needed to trap Ascians to kill them
bold condor
Anyway, here's "Czar" Dragon.
Here's Kaiser Dragon.
Here's Midgardsormr.
Hades, Knights of the Round, and the design used for Ultima Weapon are also all VII references.
Technically, all of our MSQ final bosses thus far have been, come to think of it.
...Wonder what that says about Zenos.
dim sigil
bold condor
(Ultima Weapon first appears in VI, but the specific design of the one we fight in 2.0 is from FF7.)
(Ultima Beast uses the FFVI design, though.)
torpid yoke
Tactics Ogre, innit?
Kinda both. Models from type 0 names from ogre
bold condor
dim sigil
They are also supposed to be organic beings in 7 not mechs like 14
bold condor
Wait, no, I'm wrong, it is one.
dim sigil
Ultima weapon or the Ultimate Weapon
forest magnet
that looks more like the ultima beast
bold condor
Yes, that's the FF6 sprite.
forest magnet
i remember when this boss first came out you could solo it as pld
dim sigil
Where did this thing show up
dim sigil
I haven't done that in forever but more six bosses I see
dim sigil
You're telling me G Warrior is a reused model