Then there is a difference between the "passive" power to draw people to us and the one who directly summon them
#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
pastel coyote
torpid yoke
I think thats just eli still considering protecting azem;s soul
bold condor
Or honoring whatever promise to Azem he made.
torpid yoke
That too
bold condor
Like, it's not a thing that ever happens to anyone else.
pastel coyote
Well i will admit that Eli was a special case, being him and being in Ardberd body
open verge
pastel coyote
About how we will recharge the stone (if it need it) well i suppose it will be by our own aether but as i already said i would rather they don't use it too much.
torpid yoke
Either way it could be that crystal only activates in certain situations rommy
considering the two times we used it we were in danger (Even though we are never shown to take the thing out and we still got hit by the slash but took no damage an-)
Plus not like we dont have other things that would be quite helpful that we have no control of like our echo visions
One day we will learn how to forcefully activate it maybe
carmine basin
Finished Emerald, I think with that I'm done with 5.4 story-wise
Valens reminds me of that church dude from Notre Dame
gusty quest
He is like Frollo. Except a lot less... Seductive
forest magnet
damn ppl out here simping for frollo
carmine basin
tfw no hildebrand so animators made this dude especially creepy and disturbing instead
gusty quest
He'll be back. When we need him most
When sorrow of Werlyt is all over I imagine we'll need a good laugh
carmine basin
I should've done the 5.4 msq first, it was so cute. Werlyt made me feel hopeless
Like fuck seeing that guy getting sacrificed in front of his family
Alfonse being tortured and kids being forced to torture
gusty quest
Gotta feel for Gaius and Allie, watching their family die one by one. And now it's Alfonse's turn
carmine basin
gusty quest
We can only hope Valens gets mega killed and sent straight to super hell
worn forge
hard to feel bad when they coulda chose not to
also
their strategy of using the weapons against Garlemald falls flat when both phase 1 emerald and ruby have the pilots fully cognizant
they coulda just went OHHH HERO OF EORZEA LISTEN TO OUR PLEA
sterile galleon
It's looking like Diamond will go berserk and Valens gets caught up in the ensuing bloodshed, followed by us having to put it down
lunar hound
it's almost certainly a bad plan, but it's also the best they've got
worn forge
ehhhhhh defecting and having extra bodies to resist the Garleans would do more tbh
next quarry
crazy thought: What if g warrior and diamond weapon fuse
carmine basin
And it seems the garlean we saw on Estinien's solo duty is likely half garlean
Like severa
worn forge
also VvV states that diamond weapon will have countermeasures to ensure the last orphan doesn’t rebel
carmine basin
They did that so another soldier wouldn't take their place
worn forge
does that mean the others didnt
sterile galleon
But yeah Bozja and Wyrlet got a namedrop in the MSQ, which opens the way for their involvement in 6.0
worn forge
cuz if so, the orphans eat paint
sterile galleon
Though most likely as mere embarkation points rather than actual zones.
lunar hound
they already went over why they haven't just left: they don't want anyone else to suffer. Now you could make the argument that defecting and helping to end the Weapon project would do more to reduce the overall level of suffering in Werlyt, but that's a hard case to make when you know the people who will be affected by your defection
worn forge
“I will kill the warrior of light, THEN I WILL REBEL AGAINST THE EMPIRE”
like, what even 
sterile galleon
I wouldn't pay too much attention to it
Eureka wasn't exactly relevant to the political narrative
It's one thing to tell the clock in the kitchen, actually reaching for the tableware however is wholly different if you ask me.
severe brook
Currently this is what I'm figuring will likely be the way Valens dies
https://youtu.be/QBNCSRwq1yw?t=257
so we can complete our VII reference
carmine basin
I hope we make him go through oversoul in the most painful way possible
Speaking of this trial is giving me Tesleen's transformation vibe in terms of discomfort
😔
I miss Zenos already, at least he's more straightforward
gusty quest
I imagine we'll see Alfonse's transformation in more detail
Since we're being shown more about how oversoul works
pine epoch
Diamond Oversoul most likely will break out of the weapons shell
gusty quest
For the 2nd phase?
pine epoch
since the transformation still takes place on the inside of the machine
people theorizing Diamond Phase 1 will be a solo instance and oversoul will be the trial
forest magnet
Nah we'll beat the Diamond weapon and then goo Alfonse appears out of the wreckage
and that's phase 2?
gusty quest
That actually makes sense since I'm sure "Zenos" would want to fight us mano e mano and would relinquish the diamond weapon to do so
shrewd arrow
someone got the Raid mount in game and my god it's Glorious
gusty quest
That is... ridiculous
forest magnet
Oh you fly next to it? I thought you'd sit on top. This is cooler
gusty quest
Cool but ridiculous
shrewd arrow
it apparently has a mount action as well
severe brook
i think they're holding onto that spike on its underside, that's what it looked like in the model someone posted here during the datamining rush
gusty quest
Here's a thought. Since zenos fused with Shinryu and made use of it's moves and when Zenos was removed he still had his armour on, could we see a fusion of the two for Alfonse's oversoul like with Nael empowered by bahamut perhaps?
severe brook
i could see Oversoul Zenos having some elements of Shinryu incorporated
like how i almost wonder if a completed Sapphire Weapon would've had some of Zurvan incorporated into Regula
gusty quest
I'd imagine if Diamond weapon was an instance then this fight against Zenos 2.0 would be the trial itself
severe brook
since while they didn't ever fuse or anything, he would've been exposed to Zurvan's aether upon his death
and some of Sapphire's attacks resemble Zurvan's anyway
gusty quest
Here's another thought. Since in some past trials and raid encounters we've received some outside help to a degree. Could we perhaps receive assistance from the G-warrior maybe. Perhaps piloted by either Gaius or Allie.
pine epoch
I joked they do a soft sephiroth reference with Oversoul Diamond. Where its a Goo Monster Zenos, but with one Shinryu Wing poking out of his back.
"One Winged Wyrm"
gusty quest
That would actually make sense. I mean Zenos does use a katana. Has long hair and is a machine of death
severe brook
Before I was predicting G-Warrior as showing up in the transition phase piloted by Gaius, and we'd have to do stuff while it holds Diamond off
gusty quest
I think it could honestly be either Gaius (Wanting to protect his remaining children personally) or Allie (Having thought about getting ahold of a weapon to help). There's evidence for both outcomes if you squint at it
severe brook
mhm
also i'm predicting Diamond will end up being the largest weapon, or at least the same size as Sapphire
so it'd be Sephirot Phase 2 scale for everyone fighting it without G-Warrior to even the odds, with everyone standing on a platform facing off against it
gusty quest
So whoever's piloting the G-warrior bombards it while we smack it like with Sephirot?
I'd be down with that
And then for phase 2 Zenos 2.0 leaves the diamond weapon and faces off against us
It'd be like reverse sephirot
severe brook
I'm not entirely sure if it'll be Zenos, the scene with them testing Zenos as an Oversoul seems to show that it wouldn't satisfy Valens' needs
gusty quest
Could it be Varis then?
severe brook
but yeah in terms of fight pacing that's what I think will happen, with the Oversoul emerging from Diamond's Chassis
yeah i'm kind of leaning towards Varis
it would be fitting to have him as "the obedient hound"
gusty quest
I don't think it'd be Valens because he seems more like a science leader than a fighting one
severe brook
though at the same time, we did just get a Varis fight with Memoria
so a Varis oversoul could ironically be more based in reality, but also would be retreading some recent ground
gusty quest
And yet if you consider the 2nd phases of Ruby and emerald to count we've fought Nael and Gaius twice
severe brook
i'm thinking in terms of recency
like yeah we've fought Nael/Eula a lot, especially for legacy players
static niche
fuck
severe brook
but we hadn't really fought her recently
gusty quest
I honestly wouldn't mind facing Varis again. After all the creators could be allowed to get creative with the crap he throws at us
static niche
now i'm imagining 5.5 Oversoul Zenos just casually appears after whoever pilots it get K.O'd by whatever we did to the machine and turns the Diamond into his standard big ass armor and katana with revolving golfbag while yelling "HAVE YOU THE STRENGTH? THE POWERS TO TRANSCEND?"
forest magnet
"REND"
severe brook
actually Valens said Diamond Weapon would Oversoul from the get-go, wouldn't he
severe brook
so Phase 1 would still be using those tactics
gusty quest
No he said it'd be controlled remotely. That implys he'll do it whenever
static niche
oh so in other word
zenos will appears if he deems it necessary then zenos take over the control and break free from valen's control?
severe brook
i mean the zenos oversoul isn't really zenos
it's not like any image of zenos becomes self-aware
gusty quest
So I imagine he'll let Diamond be damaged, let Gaius and Allie think there's hope for alfonse and then will activate oversoul
static niche
it's mother fucking zenos
severe brook
it's just a recreation of zenos' memories/actions
gusty quest
It would be a big fuck you to Gaius
severe brook
i could see that
gusty quest
We've seen how much Valens hates Gaius
static niche
that's assuming alfonse is the pilot
gusty quest
Who else would it be
static niche
for all we know, it could be both, or allie, and alfonse is just jailed for valens's otherwise guilty pleasure
severe brook
Valens himself, maybe, if he can get tricked into it
but Alfonse seems most likely
i can't help but think it'd be fitting to trick Valens into Diamond's cockpit and then use the remote Oversoul thing on him
gusty quest
Yeah. I imagine Valens will want both Gaius and Allie to suffer now
Hense him giving them false hope only to snatch it away from them
Seems fitting for a total asshole like Valens
static niche
question
what's the odd zenos himself actually joins in the fun for sorrow of weryt?
gusty quest
Highly unlikely but it would be cool
static niche
like
he could learn about his data being used
and he want to see if it'll bring him entertainment
since it's himself
gusty quest
I imagine if Allie was to pilot anything it would be the G-warrior.
static niche
especially since elidibus wussed out
shrewd arrow
there is also another thing to remember with zenos he is blood related to emet selch, so who knows what can happen with his oversoul
static niche
true
kindred rampart
wonder what reactions Lunar Bahamut will bring to Middy and the other dragons we talk to once we start investigating
gusty quest
But the thing is it's just combat data, not his actual flesh and blood
shrewd arrow
i'm saying as a hmm due to Nael and Bahamut being mixed
gusty quest
Nael's armor did survive after she was transformed by Bahamut so I'd imagine that's where it came from
static niche
and you're saying zenos's data wouldn't be changed like that?
considering they did survive
shrewd arrow
Plus he was Hypertuned as well
static niche
and bodied by elidibus
assuming the data was still gathered
until zenos returned
torpid yoke
Zenos was not hypertuned
gusty quest
If they could change the data to make Zenos more obedient then why haven't they done so already
shrewd arrow
he had the wierd fake echo eyes
static niche
not to mention his unusual strength
maiden lodge
And yet if you consider the 2nd phases of Ruby and emerald to count we've fought...
If we count ruby, this is nael fight 3
bold condor
Zenos is Resonant.
gusty quest
Oh yeah I'm forgetting legacy
bold condor
Eh, only technically.
static niche
oh cutscene bs then?
bold condor
In the sense that the fight had two phases.
static niche
i assumed it was an actual 'instance'
torpid yoke
Ok im not totally crazy
static niche
no i was talking about the base with transmitter for dalamud
bold condor
No, that's just a cutscene.
bold condor
Anyway, Hypertuned don't have those eyes. Hypertuned are humans enhanced with machina created for the purpose of transferring aether to a Resonant.
static niche
like zenos 2x
bold condor
They do not have the Echo.
static niche
yeah but rommy, his strength
bold condor
Fun fact, Aulus incidentally invented cyborgs while trying to make the Resonant.
static niche
have you the strength? the power to transcend
shrewd cypress
Do you guys think zenos stepping on his samurai sword was a way to tell the weebs playing this game to go outside
torpid yoke
No
gusty quest
GASP
tall jungle
It was them basically saying Zenos is changing jobs
static niche
wait
gusty quest
I imagine when Valens finally meets his end he's gonna go out like the little bitch he is
static niche
if he's changing job
that means
we'll have the beautiful katana golfbag for job now?
shrewd cypress
He’s gonna become a white mage
gusty quest
That'd be so cool
tall jungle
I bet he's going to become one of the jobs that comes with 6.0
kindred rampart
nah it just means he wants a bigger and stronger weeb sword so he can pull the whole "WHILE YOU WERE SAVING THE FIRST I WAS STUDYING THE BLADE!" pulls out giant Susano sword on WoL during their "reunion" @shrewd cypress
shrewd cypress
Who’d even be the job trainer if that was the case
tall jungle
The golf bag would be far more hilarious and thematic if he starts using clubs
static niche
REQUIRE CLEARING 5.5
shrewd arrow
Zenos is going to be a blue mage
shrewd arrow
i mean hes giving us a small chance to make it more exciting
kindred rampart
give me a dual gun job that can take tank busters like merlwyb
severe brook
My guess is that he'll end up with a sword named ragnarok
though the actual form Ragnarok will take is still up in the air
static niche
...
huh?
there's a new ragnarok in ffxiv?
i only know of ragnarok the ship that docked in dalamud when it fell
severe brook
i was thinking Ragnarok the Sword Esper from VI
but that is a good point that we already have the Ragnarok Ship as an VIII reference
next quarry
Ragnarok is also the name of the WAR Zodiac Weapon
next quarry
It's also a powerful weapon in FFV
tall jungle
Ragnarok is a recurring weapon in Final Fantasy
It for instance was the strongest weapon in the game for Cecil in the original release of Final Fantasy IV
The crappy original localisation called it Crystal
severe brook
my sole justification for them reusing Ragnarok is that we have had a case of a name being reused for different weapons/entities
with Brionac
static niche
you know what'd be funny
if 6.x relic quest involve us naming job weapons after an ascian
remember us. remember that we once lived
yeah sure, as my weapon now.
worn forge
there’s not enough ascians for relic names tho
pine epoch
Ok so we have FF5 Chicken knife as a weapon in 14 for red mages.
static niche
as a joke meme yeah
static niche
cuz FE exist and it's the best weapon series
tall jungle
Counter part? More like inferior cousin
pine epoch
Chicken Knife a weapon that becomes stronger every time you flee battle, Brave Sword a weapon that becomes weaker everytime you flee a battle
A weapon
To surpass
Metal Gear
tall jungle
Xel, the weapon to surpass Metal Gear is the bazooka
I beat Metal Gear Solid, I know
severe brook
Bazooka Class confirmed 
eager ginkgo
can some1 help explain what the heck is that newly-short Yorha 5.4 quest is all about? ||I've just finished it, but i'm totally clueless. I mean... is that it? just konogg tryingi to amend stuff & next thing to know, his sister weren't what supposed to be?|| I mean... is that it? just to explain tiny mystery?
I'm so confused atm... 🤔
tall jungle
It's just a set up
eager ginkgo
kinda pointless imo
drowsy belfry
Blame Yoko Taro
eager ginkgo
can't they just put that quest in 5.5 instead?
tall jungle
Probably don't want the quest line in 5.5 to be that long
eager ginkgo
i still don't get the purpose of that quest, even being a set up seems kinda out of place
severe brook
So it's in reference to a thing from his past work
eager ginkgo
i rather see ||how things with hildy & greg instead... it's been the longest absence since their last appearance||
lunar hound
I think one of the intentions ||is to cast doubt on whether or not Konogg and Anogg are actually Dwarves, or are constructs||
eager ginkgo
and all i get is ||a short flash of hildy on that 5.3 dungeon, which is already rare occurence||
gusty quest
I'd say Constructs
worn forge
They’re not real humans at the very least
drowsy belfry
Hildy's not happening in 5.x
eager ginkgo
yea.... still think that should go to 5.5
worn forge
since the digsite chief says he first met them in those tunnels
severe brook
In Drakengard ||There are objects called Seeds of Destruction that create false copies of dead beings placed within them. They look identical to the big egg thing that Konogg found and a new Anogg apparently emerged from. Here's hoping this one doesn't turn into a giant tentacle angel.|| It appears that the Machines or YorHa created a replica of it with similar capabilities, that created a replica of Anogg after her apparent death.
Possibly also a replica of Konogg, since both siblings apparently just showed up in the tunnels.
worn forge
yeah the chief confirms that
static niche
spooky
eager ginkgo
i tried playing drakengard on ps2 way back then, game kinda boring tho, so i didn't delve too much in their mystery. thx for filling that up, maybe i'll try picking that game from start again
only series i truly play to finish is nier automata only
worn forge
D3 is good but the framerate is jank
eager ginkgo
btw @severe brook , think u missed spoiler tag on that anogg's occurrence😅 .
not that i care on spoiler anyways... lawl
i only have D1 & D2 since PS2 is the only console i got. 😅
maiden lodge
Naw he was spoilertagging stuff from a different game.
oak pike
Man the quest after emerald I just realized we slaughtered a lot of the purple au ra girl’s friends
eager ginkgo
i know, but wasn't 5.4 thingie still fresh new?
oak pike
This is 5.4 spoiler chat
eager ginkgo
lol
oak pike
It’s FFA fir stuff relating to 5.4
And that roe who was nice to that au ra yeah we killed him as well
eager ginkgo
yea... i only bother coming to this channel coz that quest really confuses the heck outta me... 😅
lunar hound
Man the quest after emerald I just realized we slaughtered a lot of the purple a...
Not only were they all her friends (except maybe Livia), they were all Gaius' wards
oak pike
No one liked livia lol
eager ginkgo
speaking of that, i guess 5.4 is actually the first time we saw livia & rhitahtyn without their helmet, eh...
I DO! XD
gusty quest
Livia was a bitch
eager ginkgo
I always /blowkiss on her whenever doing Castrum Meridianum. she's like this sassy girl that makes me felt crush on
lunar hound
.....o.O
eager ginkgo
yup. i never stop doing that since 2.0 XD
gusty quest
I need an adult
oak pike
I need one too
eager ginkgo
back in 1.0, i also joined this LS & the leader was this sassy brit girl. she's sure can talk trash, but every trash she spat, it kinda charms me. that's how i relate to Livia 😉
eager ginkgo
she even named that LS "Spooners n Forkers" lawl
gusty quest
lunar hound
lol
oak pike
hexed mango
I hate to say it
But this patch MSQ felt short.
I know they were saying this is gonna be the biggest patch but it really didn't.
wet crown
Yeah but that's nothing new for .4 patches
hexed mango
Yeah .3 patches are still my favorite.
wet crown
the MSQ is a two-part prologue for the next expansion
eager ginkgo
nah... it's actually comparable length with any major patch, in quantity terms that is... quality-wise... maybe not so much
hexed mango
Like all we did was cure tempering and fight some Kobolds
wet crown
I can't complain. I wanted to see Merlwyb being a badass again and I got just that
eager ginkgo
well... there's that continuation of role quest that's sure making me felt more interested 😉
wet crown
Well, it's not all the way there yet
hexed mango
I LOVE how we came back to Limsa. Level 1-15 memories.
bronze haven
do we have any pic of e12s mount?
hexed mango
I was lowkey expecting the quest called to be called "It's Definitely Pirates"
hexed mango
Speaking of which I haven't done Eden or Emerald
hexed mango
Should probably play those
wet crown
NOW
bronze haven
ok found it
wet crown
you can watch Geralt's junk later. Go do raids
hexed mango
I probably should because I have no idea where the raids can go after tier 2
eager ginkgo
with how things goes there, it’s as if ||other realms that took hit with each calamities the Source has, still has tiny bit of chance of salvation ;)||
maiden lodge
Like all we did was cure tempering and fight some Kobolds
All we did in 4.4 was....
...turn on a force field.
forest magnet
well no we got some headaches too
gusty quest
But it was a really cool force field
forest magnet
and we reunited with gaius
maiden lodge
and we reunited with gaius
Nope, that was later.
pastel coyote
and here we get reunite with ga bu
hexed mango
Yeah im not saying curing tempering wasn't a big deal. I'm just saying they kinda brush past it really quickly. Like, wow, that wasn't really hard.
maiden lodge
No they don't, it's the major story.
forest magnet
Oh right. 4.4 we witnessed the biggest burn in the game
eager ginkgo
and 3.4 along with 2.4? lol
hexed mango
It took us longer to get the scions back home than it did for us to cure tempering.
pastel coyote
well not really, we didn't have a cure for tempering since the start
maiden lodge
They send us to earn the cure for tempering, we get advancement of the Eorzean Alliance side-plot and Merlwyb content, we execute it, and just in time to watch shit start to unfold for next expansion also there's towers all over the shop in the world now
hexed mango
You know what I noticed with .4 patches? The MSQ is underwhelming but the final raids aren't. Remember how epic the conclusion of Omega was?
wet crown
Yeah, Omega went full shonen
maiden lodge
And comparing a .4 patch to a .3 patch is like... what are you expecting the grand conclusion to exactly
static niche
too bad omega deserved better
hexed mango
What do we think of Fandaniel?
eager ginkgo
Sadly... eden finale doesn’t really felt epic at all 😅
wet crown
I like it to an extend
hexed mango
Wanting to destroy the world for fun?
static niche
can we have omega F as free npc party member
hexed mango
So Kefka basically...
wet crown
if it goes to far, I cringe uncomfortably
static niche
ah it was trust member
regal lantern
5.5 will be fun maybe
maiden lodge
Fandaniel is likely to Kefka Zenos.
static niche
i means
wet crown
For now, Fandaniel is a simple antagonist like Kefka
eager ginkgo
Yup
wet crown
and that's not bad
static niche
kefka didn't want to destroy the world for fun
he was mindbroken to that degree that he wants to destroy the world for fun
wet crown
if every character is deep and complex, then no one's special
forest magnet
gib omega f as romance option 🙏
maiden lodge
We don't know why Fandaniel wants to destroy the world, just that he does.
hexed mango
I dont mind Fandaniel and Zenos so long as they have good dialogue and are fun to watch. Psychopath villains aren't inherently bad.
static niche
AH THIS FUCKING EOJI
forest magnet
if every character is deep and complex, then no one's special
that's....not how it works?
static niche
taco pls remove that circle :[
gusty quest
BIG FAT TACOS!!
pastel coyote
He want you dead. And you too, and you, and you, and you, and you, and you.
hexed mango
And he also wants to die
maiden lodge
But as others pointed it
fallow ferry
I'm still mad the Omega mount doesn't play E scape.
maiden lodge
EmetSolus had no depth either at this time
hexed mango
Dude he like, intentionally provokes Zenos because he doesn't care if he lives or dies.
static niche
he did
maiden lodge
No he didn't.
hexed mango
And that Lunar Bahamut
maiden lodge
Here's solus as of 4.4
static niche
he appeared as an interesting character in 4.3
bold condor
Solus was introduced in 4.4.
bold condor
But also Dis is right.
maiden lodge
'I'm your grampa, Varis, I'm going to be a dick at you, oh you shot me, too bad I'm an Ascian, seriously, now listen to Elidibus, that guy is usually right'
pastel coyote
Emet was fun from the start
bold condor
He didn't have much depth at all until 5.0 exactly.
eager ginkgo
felt meh to me, especially with what I experience with Dalamud during 1.0 finale
hexed mango
He didn't. But he didn't seem chaotic. He seemed like he worked towards restoring the world like the other ascians.
maiden lodge
Then in 4.5
forest magnet
at least Emet didn't state his intentions and his reasoning until 5.0
bold condor
Yes, it's entertaining, but it's literally no risk to himself.
eager ginkgo
Fandaniel is just filler to me
forest magnet
Yeah
static niche
for wut again?
wet crown
I absolutely love Fandaniel's theatrics
bold condor
He appeared to say "Hey, I caused the civil war on purpose, dipshit."
maiden lodge
'btw varis Garlemald's shit on purpose, hey this poison's useful, welp I'm off to the first, don't fuck up fucking up the world okay!'
wet crown
that voice actor is amazing
hexed mango
Fandaniel reuses assets from another character so I think he won't be that important.
bold condor
He's already important.
hexed mango
Err
eager ginkgo
yep, from a certain jester. lol
hexed mango
I feel like he's going to die early
forest magnet
yeah what will happen to those towers
eager ginkgo
copy pasted from dissidia. lol
hexed mango
Like before 6.0
bold condor
I expect they'll be here until like
forest magnet
end of 6.0
eager ginkgo
just like how eden ending copy pasted from ff8. lol
forest magnet
eden's ending model is unique tho
maiden lodge
So this idea that Emet is some deep character, in Stormblood, is fekkin laughable. Until 5.0, he was just a hammy Ascian with the usual omnicidal tendancies and wants. Nabriales was a deeper character than Emet, in 4.5
hexed mango
Lowkey expecting him to die in a similar manner to Ilberd...
static niche
SPOIL ME
wet crown
she lives
forest magnet
she becomes an Ascian
static niche
good
pastel coyote
she's dead
static niche
that's all matters to me
forest magnet
You know the raid also reveals something interesting.
static niche
?
hexed mango
Hmm I should go play the raid instead of having it spoiled for me
wet crown
She dies from a calorie overdose. Too many coffee biscuits.
hexed mango
Brb
eager ginkgo
there might be more story about gaia, with her being mentioned in that recent role quest series
forest magnet
You know the raid also reveals something interesting.
Raising an Ascian doesn't mean they're tempered to Zodiark.
maiden lodge
Well no she doesn't become an Ascian, Lohgrif lets Gaia choose her own path.
wet crown
She got a heart attack like a bomb explosion in close proximity
forest magnet
Hence why Fandaniel is not interested in rejoining shit
pastel coyote
well maybe Gaia can still pop up the glyph
maiden lodge
It's almost like tempering requires exposure to the primal in some way
forest magnet
Well no she doesn't become an Ascian, Lohgrif lets Gaia choose her own path.
She gets raised as an ascian and has those powers, as its hinted at the end that Gaia now has Ascian powers.
forest magnet
*It's almost like tempering requires exposure to the primal in some way*
It seems like a big oversight not to temper them as they're being raised, though.
maiden lodge
She gets raised as an ascian and has those powers, as its hinted at the end that...
She doesn't 'now' have Ascian powers, she had those before, but now she has better handle on them.
static niche
how'd she get her body btw?
pine epoch
Well Loghrif Doesn't even exist. Since Gaia is Loghrif, Loghrif died and was reborn as Gaia. While mitron didn't perish and became Eden causing the flood of light.
bold condor
Whose body?
forest magnet
how'd she get her body btw?
born with it
wet crown
Gaia is a reborn Logrif. She has Ascian powers but isn't familiar with them, yet
eager ginkgo
i got the feeling that future continuation of that role questline would requires completion of eden storyline to progress, just like how current one was unexpectedly requires 3.0 warring triad completion until we learn why
maiden lodge
It seems like a *big* oversight not to temper them as they're being raised, thou...
It seems like it, but what can you do to temper people when your god is locked away and can't expose people?
bold condor
Gaia was reincarnated like anyone else is, yes.
static niche
wait so
forest magnet
It seems like it, but what can you do to temper people when your god is locked a...
it's possible to temper without presence of the primal directly, right?
pastel coyote
well when a man and a woman love each .....
static niche
didn't the ffxiv say at some point that it was mitron who was killed by wol party
maiden lodge
It is possible to temper without presence, but not without exposure. The Lunar Transmitter gave aetheric exposure
static niche
not loghiff
wet crown
it's possible to temper without presence of the primal directly, right?
Bahamut tempered through Dalamud, so yes
static niche
inconsistency?
forest magnet
didn't the ffxiv say at some point that it was mitron who was killed by wol part...
Yes, but the 'blade of light' turned mitron into Eden, the first sin eater.
fallow ferry
Both of them got fucked
pine epoch
it was retconned that mitron and loghrif fought ardbert at the same time
and was defeated together
wet crown
Mitron was turned into Eden - the first sin eater
forest magnet
He was essnetially dead until we 'freed him' in Eden 9
static niche
oooh
forest magnet
left for dead by emet selch
eager ginkgo
lol
static niche
lol
forest magnet
and we were friends with this guy 
wet crown
not really dead, just imprisoned
static niche
well i means
pastel coyote
well he's still my friend
forest magnet
we could
wet crown
he might've been able to
maiden lodge
Bahamut tempered through Dalamud, so yes
This still required Nael and others be exposed to Bahamut's aether through the Lunar Transmitter, but we simply don't seem to have a source of Zodiarkic exposure.
static niche
pastel coyote
incompetent like Mitron should be punished 
static niche
so basically
forest magnet
This still required Nael and others be exposed to Bahamut's aether through the L...
not yet
static niche
loghiff was fought first then killed, and WoL yeeted blade of light at mitron?
forest magnet
though the idea of the unsundered raising ascians who weren't bound to Zodiark's will seems....not a good plan.
maiden lodge
though the idea of the unsundered raising ascians who weren't bound to Zodiark's...
The alternative is you only have three ascians.
Which means no ascians of the shards
Which means no disposable cultists.
forest magnet
well you could have more ascians who could betray you
maiden lodge
Which means no one can remain behind during rejoining.
bold condor
It's worth noting they're like
Flabbergasted when you totally destroy Nabriales.
So it's probably not common for the red masks to die like that before then.
pastel coyote
we already know from arr beastribe that we can temper people without the primal presence
fallow ferry
Also, I feel like it wouldn't make much sense lore wise to have Fandaniel last long for the next expansion, if we treat the levels of characters as their canonical strength or something, like having a sundered Ascian being stronger than all 3 of the unsundered would be kinda weird tbh
bold condor
He doesn't need to be stronger than them on his own.
random ravine
i feel like nabriales fight was much harder than the fight with lahabrea in the singularity reactor
bold condor
Hades's power was completely left field.
maiden lodge
we already know from arr beastribe that we can temper people without the primal ...
But not without aetheric exposure. You cannot aetherically corrupt a soul, without aether which which to soul corrupt.
random ravine
and it was ultra-lahabrea fused with igeorym
bold condor
Introduced in the same scene he reveals it.
We'd already fought two other unsundered before then and Hades's power was wholly unprecedented.
There are ways to empower oneself.
He doesn't need to be the strongest person in the world by default.
static niche
@random ravine do remember we were stronger than before and we also experienced reawakening of CoLs
bold condor
Hell, literally all it'd take is for someone to go
pine epoch
Also like, Strength also doesn't equal how skilled one is at fighting.
bold condor
"What if Fandaniel did the Resonant process? What if someone with the Echo did that to themselves?"
maiden lodge
Also, I feel like it wouldn't make much sense lore wise to have Fandaniel last l...
Why not, cough Promise of Eden cough
bold condor
^
random ravine
@static niche what is CoL
bold condor
Eden's Promise is another good point.
eager ginkgo
speaking of which, when I saw the joining of those 2 ascian during end of e11 (also during 3.0 ARF as well), there was another one legacies spot during limsa msq way back then. i'm still wondering who they were, if any could confirm
static niche
crystal of light
pine epoch
Fandaniel strength could be piss poor. But His skills in combat might be extremely powerful
random ravine
what power does Crystal of Light grant again?
forest magnet
Kinda raises the question if tempering is purely something only primals/sin eaters can do or its something normal people can do too
random ravine
isn't that the echo or is that something else
static niche
strength lol
pastel coyote
get ou Snack
maiden lodge
Kinda raises the question if tempering is purely something only primals/sin eate...
The towers kinda answer that question.
pastel coyote
random ravine
oh this is 5.4 spoilers
maiden lodge
what power does Crystal of Light grant again?
This isn't a 5.4 question
random ravine
i thought this was lore spoilers
static niche
lol
random ravine
lore spoilers is always the third chat down so i just click on this
drowsy belfry
The Crystals of Light give you the Blessing of Light
eager ginkgo
this one btw...
forest magnet
Someone on reddit posted that a few days before patch dropped and I can't help but think if the person who posted it worked on XIV...
it's too coincidental
fallow ferry
So do we know what music the Eden mount plays
forest magnet
The Extreme
pine epoch
^
static niche
?
eager ginkgo
o.O
fallow ferry
I don't think so
static niche
isn't the mount cerberus?
pine epoch
Dis you should see the Lore of the mount
fallow ferry
Nope
forest magnet
No it's Eden
fallow ferry
It's Eden
static niche
oh
maiden lodge
No it's Eden
pine epoch
No Cerberus is a unique mount for later
maiden lodge
Eden.
fallow ferry
It's a smol eden
forest magnet
E1
pine epoch
Cerberus is probably blue mage reward for 70 raids.
static niche
ok
fallow ferry
Smol
maiden lodge
SMOL Eden
forest magnet
E1 without arms
maiden lodge
So... Eden
static niche
the OG eden then
forest magnet
E12 is Eden's promise
static niche
scaled to our size
fallow ferry
Yeah
maiden lodge
Well if by OG you mean 'The sin eater' and not 'the OG Eden from FF8' (That's the minion)
fallow ferry
Some weird shit happened and then we got it
gaunt star
What’s that group of people Fandaniel belongs to, he says it near the end of 5.4 when he releases Lunar Bahamut.... telephone poles or something
forest magnet
Telethia /s
maiden lodge
What’s that group of people Fandaniel belongs to, he says it near the end of 5.4...
Telophoroi
End-bearers.
fallow ferry
I mean, it's not super strange, we literally got to ride Omega last expansion
pine epoch
"Eden's Crystal. - Raising this enigmatic gem aloft will summon forth a miniaturized version of the progenitor of all sin eaters, which may or may not be a good idea..."
"Summon forth Eden, or rather, a considerably smaller version of the gargantuan entity."
"The existence of this miniaturized replica can be attributed─as with many, many other things─to a combination of aether and crystal, a fragment of which was discovered inside Eden itself. The result was this smaller likeness, which may be summoned at will and is probably less likely to trigger an apocalyptic catastrophe."
pine epoch
you hug its legs
maiden lodge
Victoriously
static niche
like the gold saucer thing with the leaf?
fallow ferry
We attach a saddle to it or something
Idk
Just going off of what we did with Omega
maiden lodge
There's an image of someone riding it somewhere, but I couldn't see them--they could have been sitting on top.
forest magnet
End-bearers.
where are you getitng end bearers from? Phoroi is close to Phoros. Which means payment to a higher power.
A real funny interpretation of this is that the group literally means "End your subscription."
The game is telling us to end our sub
pine epoch
someone posted a photo and the person riding Eden was hugging the Leg of eden
maiden lodge
where are you getitng end bearers from? Phoroi is close to Phoros. Which means p...
'We did it once and the world got better'
eager ginkgo
ride em like this... ||lol||
pine epoch
and then Eden mount has a action
gaunt star
Is the E12S savage mount Eden?
fallow ferry
Ye
maiden lodge
Yeah
late trail
Yes
gaunt star
fallow ferry
Do y'all think we'll just get a generic dragon for Diamond ex
Or could we maybe
Get a smol weapon to ride
fallow ferry
Inb4 G-warrior is mog station
fallow ferry
What if
pine epoch
The final tiers mount for each raid series so far has been the Raids main focus. Alexander you get a mini alexander (Yes I know its the Aridaeus adds. But those are tiny Alexanders on a ball instead of legs.), Omega, and now Eden
fallow ferry
The mount for all dragons
late trail
Also hear me out for like two seconds: an ahegao hoodie except it’s a collection of Valens’ nightmare faces
fallow ferry
Is a great wyrm
eager ginkgo
at this point, i hardly surprise anymore
pine epoch
"Constructed by the VIIth Legion, this Ultima Weapon prototype is infused with the aether of an unknown primal summoned by the mountain tribes of central Ilsabard. The warmachina boasts simultaneous control over multiple free-floating manipulators and is said to employ combat data from Gaius van Baelsar as a basis for its attack parameters." - Emerald Weapon Triple Triad Card
late trail
I will not be taking any questions
fallow ferry
What if we got to ride like Hraesvelgr for getting all the dragons
Unrealistic
But
It'd be cool
If Fandaniel ends up being apart of a raid I'm calling it now
eager ginkgo
we already can rode midgardsomnr. what could be greater than that?😅
fallow ferry
One of the savage mounts is going to be lunar bahamut
static niche
a better midgardsormr mount maybe
eager ginkgo
U mean like that tacky-glowy version? lol
pine epoch
So the predictions for the Super Dragon mount will be, O10 Midgardsomer, Hraesvelger, Nidhogg, Shinryu (And his adds)
Or a original design
fallow ferry
I'd want a Shinryu or add mount
eager ginkgo
Don’t forget monhun dragon as well. lawl
fallow ferry
What do y'all think the 6.0 mounts will be
drowsy belfry
Lazer Sharks
eager ginkgo
There’s already one from ocean fishing, & iirc it does laser attack in it’s ff11 counterpart
next quarry
Seiryu mount
eager ginkgo
I was thinking more of butterflies instead. lawl
pine epoch
Well Rathalos is already a mount
next quarry
All of the mounts for getting ex mounts have been Eastern themed
pine epoch
So you can just go do Great Hunt Extreme 50 times and get it
drowsy belfry
JUICY
pine epoch
Well.... Technically yes and no Azalea
next quarry
The firebird mount is the same model as suzaku
pine epoch
Its the same model as phoenix as well
eager ginkgo
I’m still thinking the whole garlemald would be ended in 5.5 at least, so we would probably getting a brand new unknown territory instead 😉
drowsy belfry
That would be such a dumb and stupid wrap up to the giant over arching enemy of 1.0 - now
eager ginkgo
they defo don’t warrant a full expansion, 4.0 already approached that way
severe brook
I mean Ilsabard isn't just Garlemald proper
next quarry
There's more to Ilsabard than garlemald yea
bold condor
^
drowsy belfry
every Expansion has dealt with Garlemald, except for Shadowbringers
severe brook
even Shadowbringers has had a lot of Garlean stuff in the post-story
bold condor
There's a lot of Garlemald going around.
drowsy belfry
Oh fuck
next quarry
Black Rose
eager ginkgo
Nah, shadowbringer did affect garlemald. Black rose, remember?
severe brook
you'd have the various people who've been conquered by the Empire, Garlemald itself, and whatever's going on with Fandaniel and the Telophoroi to flesh out the expansion
bold condor
But, yes, the only one that arguably doesn't have as much is HW and even it had Regula in the Warring Triad.
severe brook
even HW has Varis' debut
pine epoch
if you think about it every .5 dungeon has been garlean in some form. 2.5 keeper of the lake has you go through the Agrius. 3.5 baelsar wall, 4.5 ghimlyt dark. 5.5????
bold condor
Yeah we first meet him in person.
empty moss
lighting = wide blast Fire = Knock back , easy
my Left and right , Wipe
bold condor
Also Baelsar's Wall.
But that's more pre-Stormblood than Heavensward if you feel me.
drowsy belfry
5.5's going to be us jumping from airship to airship
empty moss
god im shit with AOE's
bold condor
5.5 has us going to one of those fucking towers.
eager ginkgo
We already did realms as with 5.0 major plot. Doing anything back @ the Source would be major downgrade imo
pine epoch
Lunatic Pandora. you enter one of the towers and kill that one cool robot from FF8
bold condor
||And all our friends get written out of the Trust system because the tower tempers them all.||
||6.0 is then a quest to save them and stop Zenos with the aid of new Trusts.||
severe brook
5.5 will be train hijacking nah it'll likely be infiltrating a tower
bold condor
That's how the story would go if I were evil.
eager ginkgo
It could be like ff11’s trust system, where || u only need the copy of theirs||
pine epoch
Gaius, Estinien, Myrlwyb, Kan e senna, Pippin and Lyse, that is your 6.0 trust team
severe brook
I mean I think it'd be a downgrade to not stay on the Source for a while
drowsy belfry
That's already in the game
severe brook
XIV's not a game about world-jumping
drowsy belfry
the Avatar system
severe brook
it just had one story arc about world-jumping
pastel coyote
5.5 is ghimlyt dark (hard)
bold condor
I was thinking more
eager ginkgo
not one anymore. 5.4 role quest, remember?
Yoshi says he won’t do HM version anymore, no?
bold condor
Pipin (DRK), Fordola (PLD), Cid (MCH), Lyse (MNK), Alisaie (RDM), Alphinaud (SCH)
drowsy belfry
Cid as MCH?
drowsy belfry
Yeah I can see it
bold condor
And throw him in the game.
drowsy belfry
Estinien as a DRG
drowsy belfry
But maybe give him a tank spec for funsies?
bold condor
Krile as WHM.
eager ginkgo
In ff11, u can even have villain trusts as well, so why limit the choices? lawl
pine epoch
Well current Cid fights with a hand crafted gunblade. that also looks like a wrench
bold condor
Because this game doesn't do narrative breaks for trusts the first time you do them.
bold condor
Yugiri and Hien as NIN and SAM
pastel coyote
will he get all his skill ?
royal spruce
How fitting I got Cape Westwind this morning in trial roulette before reset and now that I did my trial roulette again I just got Emerald weapon how fitting
eager ginkgo
The whole ff14 is literally a fanfest of every ff titles & beyond. whaddya expect? 😅
royal spruce
I wasn't feeling the story in this patch as much as the last one
drowsy belfry
'sides the XIV Trust system is essentially in it's infant stages
Come 6.0 there'll be changes
royal spruce
I know I know
bold condor
That's like saying I didn't feel 3.4 as much as 3.3.
eager ginkgo
There might be Emet trust, who knows... 😉
bold condor
pastel coyote
well what about the shoebill ?
royal spruce
I just hope 5.5 doesn't leave off on a dud like 4.5 did
bold condor
I think the only time a .4 has been more impressive than a .3 was, for me, 4.4.
drowsy belfry
ye me too Rom
eager ginkgo
There’s also dead peeps trust in 11 as well
pastel coyote
well 4.4 was something huge
bold condor
It won't.
maiden lodge
4.4 was fairly low key compared to 5.4
bold condor
The reason 4.56 had like
royal spruce
And I really hope those two doesn't end up being the bad guys for the entirety of 6.0
bold condor
A dud ending
Is because Yoshi-P believed people were upset about the cliffhangers.
But they got more upset about the lack of one.
So he said 5.56 would have one.
royal spruce
3.5 2.5 left off on a bang let's hope we get that here
eager ginkgo
all 5 ark angels from zilart for example, all of em are summonable trusts now
pastel coyote
Wasn't because they cut the content so much that we feel like we were doing nothing each patch ?
bold condor
?
slim egret
is it me or does it seem the dps checks for this tiers savage is really low lol
maiden lodge
4.4's shocker: 'Scions are falling down.'
5.4's shocker: 'There's fricken massive towers in Eorzea suddenly tempering randos'
pastel coyote
I mean from what i remember the msq pre-ShB feel like.... drop by drop
maiden lodge
Naw, that's lore bombs
bold condor
Was also 4.4.
bold condor
It all contributes to the feeling.
bold condor
No one was delineating specifically "oh lore bomb"
maiden lodge
And I'd rank 'We have done the 'impossible' as huge as well.
eager ginkgo
iirc 2.4 tries making that lame new grand company, even almost making me believe it did happened. look how it turns out to be... lol
royal spruce
Just blow them Towers up 4head
bold condor
We were talking about the overall feel of the MSQ.
Mind you, I do think like
5.4 has as much going for it as 4.4.
If not more.
eager ginkgo
nah
eager ginkgo
it felt mild compared to past .4 imo
bold condor
And the Lominsan-kobold relationships.
maiden lodge
5.4 did more to change the status quo than 4.4
pine epoch
Literally cure for tempering is one of the last few nails on the coffin to remove the threat of primals
pastel coyote
Imo this 5.4 content, even if i did clear it in one day (except EX) was kinda huge, i mean 2-3 time i ask myself if the msq will end there
eager ginkgo
especially comparing to 1.0 finale
pine epoch
It doesn't stop people from making primals, but it stops people from being mindless slaves
royal spruce
So the only weapon left is diamond right
bold condor
The end of a literal game?
eager ginkgo
dalamud. not bahamut. loil
bold condor
Yeah, why?
fallow ferry
Yknow I just realized
bold condor
Why are you comparing any .4 to what would be the equivalent to the literal end of the game?
maiden lodge
Like how can I make a comparison
pastel coyote
But diamond is unbreakable
royal spruce
I wonder if diamond is going to end up being a Mecha Mecha fight again
fallow ferry
The bahamut raid is the only raid with some voiced cutscenes
maiden lodge
Remember how in 3.5, we had that giant white prison in the sky, as an ominous reminder of shit to come?
We have that same thing going on now, with those pulsing towers.
pine epoch
While the towers are not what I was looking for, they accomplish the same thing I was looking for.
royal spruce
Man that dude all I'll say from that quest line is that that dude is nuts
maiden lodge
Yeah, like they are screaming 'shit is hitting the fan'
eager ginkgo
coz what 5.4 did was sort of mimicking what 1.0 finale did. back then in mor dhona, there was a different castrum that raises this tower that we would have 8man instanced fight
royal spruce
Do is void Quest those are big to I really enjoyed that
pine epoch
I totally wasn't hopin for the moon to start glowing all ominous like
pastel coyote
hitting the fan...daniel ? 
royal spruce
Restoring the 13th that's big
bold condor
Okay, but that's not the 1.0 finale.
maiden lodge
And knowing the stakes helps the patch.
bold condor
Hence my confusion.
urban turret
WE SOLVING RACISM
eager ginkgo
it's part of finale story, at least the part where yoshi already took over
bold condor
Point is, this would be analogous to the bit where Nael leaves for Rivenroad after the Castrum Centri bit.
royal spruce
The 13th should have some type of equivalent to a Eden right?
bold condor
With I guess Rivenroad being the "1.5" of its story and the End of an Era being its "1.56."
maiden lodge
The 13th should have some type of equivalent to a Eden right?
Not necessarily.
I mean... actually.... kinda but no
bold condor
Eden was an Ascian.
eager ginkgo
u could say that
bold condor
So probably not.
drowsy belfry
Unless the 13th also had an Ascian fucked by the Flood
royal spruce
Not necessarily Eden I'm talking about the has to have something remotely similar
pastel coyote
In one hand we did find a cure for tempering, try to restore the peace between city-state and beast-tribe. On the other hand, Fandaniel show up with his pet, tower pop up all over the world, beast-man have been kidnapped and a ala mhigan soldier have been tempered by.... garlemald ?
bold condor
I mean, something was at the epicenter of the Flood.
maiden lodge
The 13th was flooded by people using auracite to transform themselves, so it is theoretically possible there'd be one big-daddy Lucavi-cum-voidsent that tipped the balance and made more.
bold condor
So I guess.
eager ginkgo
don't forget the part after rivenroad where we tries to pray on all 12 patron as per old Louie suggest
fallow ferry
There may be some Eden formed by some fucked up warrior of light there but that's just pure speculation
bold condor
Yes, that'd be the quest equivalent of 3.56.
It comes after the last instance and ends off with the cliffhanger.
royal spruce
If in the end it will be possible to restore the 13th
fallow ferry
Wasn't the 13th also kinda caused by Igeyorim being dumb and fucking up
maiden lodge
If in the end it will be possible to restore the 13th
Which it probably will be.
pastel coyote
hmmm i wonder if they will mix the festival with the allied beast-tribe
royal spruce
That would solve a lot of problems for the source since that would get rid of the a nasty nuisance
eager ginkgo
well... having several voidsent came from that portal...
i think there's still hope
maiden lodge
Wasn't the 13th also kinda caused by Igeyorim being dumb and fucking up
Emet-selch actually says 'we fucked up' because they didn't know what they were doing quite yet.
royal spruce
Also do you think the 13th has its own version of light Wardens
pastel coyote
....
bold condor
The Dreadful Fight begins to play
pastel coyote
yes ? it's called voidsent
eager ginkgo
darkness-warden in that case
bold condor
fallow ferry
So wait how could the rejoining be fully completed if the 13th is literally impossible to rejoin
royal spruce
I'm not talking about a common grunt on talking about a light Warden equivalent on the 13th
fallow ferry
There'd still one shard that'd be fucking up everything
maiden lodge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5NJWTTcGHM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAFYsc75tuc but also yes I want that theme in the game
eager ginkgo
well... rejoining not's gonna happen anyways, so who cares. lol
pastel coyote
we know there is some voidsent who "rule" the void in some way
bold condor
Their hope was to make the First's Rejoining balance the Thirteenth's.
Thus Rejoining both.
Probably didn't work.
But that was their intent.
pine epoch
Still waiting on my four archfiends trial series
pastel coyote
CoD, Scatash was supposed to be one too
bold condor
And then the phase shift.
royal spruce
Do you think the cloud of Darkness was a dark Warden
bold condor
Oh my god imagine it, Dis.
eager ginkgo
well... there's the Void, the common major antagonist appeared in every FF titles
fallow ferry
So basically Emet, Eldibus and Lahabrea basically gambled
bold condor
First we have Scarmiglione in a dungeon with the FF4 boss theme.
And then he shifts and Dreadful Fight starts.
drowsy belfry
The Ascians were banking on the First rejoining would also drag the Void alongside it
pine epoch
I want this so bad
drowsy belfry
But chances are had Zodiark been strong enough
drowsy belfry
Zodiark could forcefully rejoin the Void
bold condor
And then shifts into ORIGINAL CAGNAZZO MUSIC
AS HE TRANSFORMS INTO AN FFXIV-EXCLUSIVE FORM
fallow ferry
I think that would fuck up literally everything
pastel coyote
only Rubicante matter
royal spruce
There's still questions I have left about the light Wardens like why are there statues of light Wardens on the source
maiden lodge
Scarmaglione as second boss, we cross a bridge with adds, and then Scarmi shows up
fallow ferry
Force rejoining a lifeless void can't have good reprucussions
bold condor
Nah Scarmiglione as third boss but that still happens.
eager ginkgo
since we usually would only have 3 primal fights per expac, there would only 1 left behind
maiden lodge
I dunno, Scar as second boss then we cross adds and then 'OHO'
eager ginkgo
as the case with genbu in 4.0s
royal spruce
God Eden's promise boss was ugly
bold condor
And you guys walk to the exit
maiden lodge
I see
bold condor
And click "Yes"
pastel coyote
no you Rose
bold condor
And then SCARMIGLIONE
pine epoch
So the thing is the Void flood of darkness succeeded in happening. And then the Voidsent canabilized eachother over their aether. Forming a sortof. This voidsent has a bigger dick im going to follow him. Rather than these Light Wardens who are like the light its self. As far as we know. We do not know much about the void. and the hierarchy of voidsent is not a real thing. But rather a Danger meter of avoid these voidsent at all cost.
maiden lodge
(except you can leave duty directly in menu so that'll cause problems)
bold condor
Could even have it spawn a chest.
pine epoch
my Rubicante Boss fight idea is that his phase shift he cast healer lb3
eager ginkgo
Rubicante might ends up a good guy, or worse... ||another gilgamesh in disguise. lmao||
pine epoch
after the phase shift unique rubicante theme plays
maiden lodge
my Rubicante Boss fight idea is that his phase shift he cast healer lb3
Or he just stops, heals everyone, and it's a checkpoint.
bold condor
Victory music plays
And then it stops
And then you hear the music begin
And he gets his proper Boss Subtitle
maiden lodge
Scarmilgione jebaits though
bold condor
Blighted Despot | Scarmiglione
royal spruce
It's sad that it looks like we won't be getting any Hildebrand this expansion
pastel coyote
we did
royal spruce
Other than that small cameo
bold condor
Assuming it's all in the Void, having him take the king's form might be a bit weird, plus you don't actually fight him
And he'd be stealing Scarmiglione's thunder.
I say have him appear as his "original" self.
eager ginkgo
cough... 5.3 dungeon... cough...
pine epoch
Legatus of the 8th Legion, Rome van Deling. And then in the middle of the boss fight his skin breaks open and out comes cagnazzo
bold condor
The so-called Drowned King.
And then transform into his voidsent form.
And then Phase 2 with original music.
maiden lodge
Honestly, though
bold condor
Which would probably incorporate his human form in some grotesque manner.
maiden lodge
If they do four fiends of elements
royal spruce
I wonder if Gaius is going to end up sacrificing his life at the end of this quest line
maiden lodge
I don't actually want it as a trial series unless they retire the 'x.3 trial is msq boss', or they make one of the four fiends msq
eager ginkgo
speaking of which, r there guarantee ways to see hildy in that 5.3? tried so many times myself & never saw him, unless i'm missing something to trigger... 🤔
maiden lodge
I think four lords suffers by only having three lords as trials
royal spruce
I wonder what actually has to be done to restore the 13th
maiden lodge
Eh.
bold condor
And the reason I think that is that he's also that way in 4.
maiden lodge
I just don't like 'the four x' having three trials.
bold condor
Meh.
pastel coyote
well there something easy but i'm too lazy to think about it: name the element of each crystal of light and associate it to a fiend
pine epoch
I mean, They have been doing content that isn't part of the usual cycle this expac. They could end up doing 4 trials for the fiends
and .3 the msq has weapons, and the fiend trial has armor
pine epoch
Turtle Cagnazzo themed armor
eager ginkgo
it still sux that 4.0 has genbu left out, but... what can u do? :p
maiden lodge
A dungeon boss...
bold condor
No.