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#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
forest magnet
unreal wadi
like, out of all the cryptlurker weapons
this has got be one of the best looking ones
dim sigil
it looks neat but very unfittimg with mch animations
pulsar current
it looks cool but not my style
forest magnet
yea good for mafia/gangster glams
unreal wadi
And on another note
the restorted empty looks fucking beautiful
the music is good as well
...i want that as an orchestration
mild temple
Meanwhile rdm tomestone wep is a firepoker
opal canyon
hey anyone know if you can find gaia and ryne hanging around anywhere post eden? I wanna visit my gay daughters-
mighty light
Okay but if they're both gay and your daughters that presents problems--
(I don't think they're anywhere; few people here have asked and nobody has had an answer)
wary perch
They disappeared into thin air
turbid helm
Love Hotel. You aren't gonna find them.
brazen stag
It should be like Alpha with OMG where you see them randomly around places.
brazen stag
But like, how often do you walk around cities you've already done all the sidequests in?
mighty light
Depends
mighty light
Universal Paperclips: go
brazen stag
Such depression. This was absolutely my intention.
strange wing
I really hope Valens gets it harder than any other FF Villain has ever gotten it.
Also I liked the WoL's reaction to being told they can't get into the robot.
lament breach
Story all finished \o/
maiden lodge
Also I liked the WoL's reaction to being told they can't get into the robot.
slumps
drowsy belfry
Mh speaking of G-Warrior
I'm like 90% certain Diamond is us gonna be attacking Diamond from the ground and somebody in G-Warrior stopping Diamond from Oversouling
strange wing
I don't want G-Warrior to die, but he's probably gonna get demolished after Diamond Weapon
No gattais with Omega in 6.0
brazen stag
Nah we need to connect G-Warrior to Middy and form Shin G||etter||Dragon.
strange wing
It's literally too cool to exist.
brazen stag
And then I can make a shitpost of the shin shine spark but with FFXIV faces.
mighty light
Maybe we stop it long enough for somebody to get Alphonse out of the robot, then Valens somehow gets into it, activates it, and cripples G-Warrior
drowsy belfry
Yeee that sounds like a pretty good phase transition
gusty quest
Who would be piloting G-warrior though?
dim sigil
gaius
mighty light
The WoL's oversoul
brazen stag
||Would be neat if the WoL oversoul had a special extra line if you've done DRK.||
shrewd cypress
Me on the way to kill yet another orphan after forcing it mutate horribly
dim sigil
I JUST REMEMBERED VIOLIN INSTRUMENTS
dim sigil
ah this is so good
coarse pond
Oi, i was expecting some we are nothing but a killing machine arc there
But it was okay, you did it in self defense so I am not mad you murdered my brothers and sisters
dim sigil
mighty light
The WoL has that effect on people
woven drum
Granted when you have to be dealing with Valens I assume Death is prefered
gusty quest
We make people realize we aren't assholes by virtue of mass murder
gusty quest
Plus we can use the time honoured excuse of "They attacked us first, we were only defending ourselves."
brazen stag
speaking of
mighty light
Also Allie is aware that Garlemald is full of shit and deserves to go down
mighty light
||Apparently she and her siblings figured it out before Gaius did, to nobody's surprise||
shrewd cypress
I found Daniel’s speech to be kinda lame
Hahaha guys I’m crazy and want everyone to die
My name is fucking fandaniel
drowsy belfry
Gaius is learning, it just took Ascian influence and black mail
gusty quest
And watching his children bite the dust
drowsy belfry
Still not convinced he fully believes in getting rid of the Emprie but eh time will tell
brazen stag
By the end of this if I don't feel bad for Grim Fandango I will be sorely disappointed. Surely they have something better than a dollar store Kefka in store for me?
strange wing
Sometimes dumb villains are exactly what the story needs.
Unless Lahabrea is in the void cackling
brazen stag
I am my own dumb villain.
severe brook
I'm guessing the twist with Fandaniel won't be what he wants, but why
mighty light
Also, you don't need to feel bad for him for him to not be a dumb villain
shrewd cypress
Usually when you have a dumb villain it’s a chance to flesh out your main cast more but like everyone’s fleshed out already
severe brook
i'm also still sticking with my prediction that Gaius will be the 6.3 Trial, as he tries to recreate the Empire "As it should be, free of Ascian influence"
strange wing
Would be a nice bookend
drowsy belfry
I mean that's implying there's no new NPCs joining the main cast in 6.0
brazen stag
I wanna hunt down Lahabread's torn apart and stitched back together soul, reincarnated as some dumb pyromaniac child who we train to be a warrior of light.
mighty light
Also: magnificent bastards are fun
Has to be a dumb genius
Lahabrea was very smart, even though he was also very dumb
strange wing
A savant then
brazen stag
ENCHANTMENT!
severe brook
Lahabrea was High Int, Low Wis
shrewd cypress
Wasn’t lahabread a librarian or something
drowsy belfry
Has to be a dumb genius
Same energy
"I FINALLY GET TO KILL MYSELF"
"Kid's either a genius or an idiot"
severe brook
Lahabrea was basically both an Inventor and Speaker of the House
oak pike
Is fandaniel going to be that one quote “ who stupid the guy who wants to kill himself or the guy trying to kill the guy who wants to kill himself”
severe brook
granted, fandaniel's not just trying to kill himself, he wants everyone else dead too
...for whatever reason
mighty light
I'm guessing part of it is that he wants to blow up the Lifestream
brazen stag
Lahabread survived the sundering because he was in the basement studying ghosts an shit and he closed the blinds and turned up the jazz when the Hydaelyn/Zodiark battle got too intense. He emerged from his room the next day to find Emet holding a bunch of dumb gremlin versions of their friends and Elidibus T-posing.
mighty light
Pretty sure it'll at least involve the fact that he was uplifted into Ascian status unwillingly
oak pike
Elidibus t posing nice
mighty light
(Lahabrea ended up the way he did because he got into his flow-state so hard he ended up just constantly putting off his memory checkup)
severe brook
My guess is either A) he still has his old memories of his life before uplifting, and is furious about not being his own person or B) he is angry because he doesn't have those memories/self and feels hollow, as Rommy thinks
brazen stag
He has just enough memories of his life to be mad.
brisk quail
Lahabread survived the sundering because he was in the basement studying ghosts ...
WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED ELIDIBUS?!?
Stuff
brazen stag
And just enough of his prior life to be sad.
mighty light
He's disgusted at himself for being what he is, he's disgusted that he doesn't get to be his own "sovereign individual," as he put it, and he's aware that the only thing ahead of him, even if he dies on his own, is an endless eternity of dying and being reborn as the thing he is
brazen stag
*WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED ELIDIBUS?!?*
*Stuff*
Just Zodiark stuff I guess...
mighty light
🤔
brisk quail
*Just Zodiark stuff I guess...*
"oh Elidbus.."
canned laughter ensuses
funky guitar riff plays
gusty quest
I just thought of something, in the future diamond weapon trial, instance, whatever, that if the G-warrior gets badly damaged, maybe we'll be allowed to keep it as a mount. I always wanted my own giant robot
brazen stag
(Sounds of Construct 7 crying and dancing in the distance)
severe brook
a bit big for a mount, maybe we'd get a smaller version
torpid yoke
a bit big for a mount, maybe we'd get a smaller version
seems about the same size as construct mount
carmine basin
Finally finished 5.4, that felt short but maybe bc I split doing it to two days
rough kestrel
I dunno right about the point I was suffering through the Limsa/Gabu shit it was feeling incredibly drawn out.
I felt like I was doing ARR stuff and that's never what you want in this era of XIV
dim sigil
Personally I really liked the whole thing felt super short tho
carmine basin
I wanted more 😭
I really do like the setup so far though, finally the whole 'beast tribes' racism was addressed
dim sigil
it's like the very literal beginning of the story so being as it was I think it was fine without needing anything huge
carmine basin
Too bad it didn't have any extra dialogue for if you completed kobold beast tribe already, it wouldn't been a nice call back to it
dim sigil
That's the single tribe I still have yet to finish at least for A Realm Reborn
rough kestrel
I guess people like the beast tribe stuff but to me the entire Limsa thing was just like ARR PTSD "Oh fuck I'm back to level 40-50, doing praetorium and whatever sidequest shit in Limsa and I'm weeks away from all the good content I keep hearing about. Noooooooo"
random anvil
You're not hot for Merlwyb? blasphemy
mighty light
I enjoyed ARR and was kinda disappointed by HW, in large part because of the way HW had been hyped up while I was going through ARR
So maybe that's helping to explain why I enjoyed 5.4
rough kestrel
I just don't really like anything that makes me feel like I'm playing ARR, I just did all that shit a year ago AND every sidequest, leaving The Source behind entirely is like 70% of why Shadowbringers is amazing.
I loved HW too just because Ishgard is so separate
carmine basin
I liked the kobolds a bit because they're the first beast tribe I maxed
dim sigil
to me shb is amazing but without everything that came before it woudlnt be
unreal wadi
it was a build up
dim sigil
A big part of why it's amazing to me is the investment I've had thus far
rough kestrel
That's fair enough, however, I'm fucking done with 2.x shit and I don't want the game going back to any of it, we're done, this isn't 2014 anymore, we can leave that shit well behind and charge into Garlemald, or off the star entirely
wind bough
Y’know I really liked Merlwyb‘s VA this patch
wind bough
Also the Limsa stuff was the best part of the patch for me
dim sigil
The only part I didn't like about 2.x when first playing was just through early on because for a while there was literally nothing happening or lt felt like that its more enjoyable now going back
Having context for everything
mighty light
tbh when I felt like that was the case I went and did some side stuff
2.X has loads of it
dim sigil
Looking at it now I really like it early because like you're just listen to No Name Adventurer making a name for yourself
And you slowly work your way up to the gods slaying person you are instead of just immediately jumping into it
rough kestrel
I've never found Eorzea interesting, not even a little. Still to this day the only reason I got so far in XIV is because I was working towards SHB.
dim sigil
isee
rough kestrel
Ishgard, A-OK, The First, A-OK
Kugane? Not bad but Ala Mhigo is a huge sore spot on SB
dim sigil
whatever works for you suppose enjoy what you enjoy no gate keeping here
unreal wadi
Y’know I really liked Merlwyb‘s VA this patch
got a lot of screentime
this time around
dim sigil
There was a guy I knew who played 14 and he loved it up until shadowbringers
He found shadowbringers the worst expansion of them all and it's heated that so much it soured his taste on FF in general
rough kestrel
This patch made me feel like that moment in HW where you just get to Ishgard and the game goes ||"Okay lets go back to see Nanamo and find out how that awesome ARR finale is fucking meaningless"|| And I'm like "NO I JUST LEFT IT BEHIND, WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS"
dim sigil
The second we found out the 14 team is doing 16 he like immediately lost all interest in 16
unreal wadi
rough kestrel
16 is probably going to be the least clusterfuckey Singleplayer FF in a very long time, though.
dim sigil
He is a weird individual
But he makes for interesting discussion given that he views franchises very differently than other people
rough kestrel
Imagine an FF coming out and it's just... nice, and isnt halfway a trainwreck, imagine that shit, not since the early 00s has that been true.
dim sigil
I mean technically that was the 13 sequels
It's just by that point people were to soured by the original and those who didn't care didn't pay attention
rough kestrel
No 13 is a different mess, but it's functional.
dim sigil
The sequels improve upon every flaw people had about the first one at least gameplay- exploration wisee story to a different story however you feel about that
dim sigil
personally i love 15 its a godamn mess and i hope to halone it never happens again
unreal wadi
what even happened to 15
dim sigil
But fifteen I would place as my most favorite entry into the franchise even flawed as it is
rough kestrel
2006, the trailer for 13 Versus, Nomura's game
wet crown
Eden ended with Mitron and Logrif. But it also started with them. Let that sink in
rough kestrel
Eventually became 15, 12 years later.
unreal wadi
nomura with the galaxy brain?
rough kestrel
No, it's a mess because of Nomura, and well SE's stubbornness regarding inhouse engines
That they apparently have let go of
rough kestrel
Say what you will about Yoshi's taste in things, the man is a master organizer, I'd be very fucking shocked if 16 was somehow buggy or messy.
dim sigil
There was apparently like insane amount of work that had to be constantly discarded because they were developing the engine as they were making the game and every time there was an update everything would be incompatible
wind bough
Yoshida is a creative but also knows how to actually run a development pipeline
rough kestrel
I liked the movie more than the game, if I'm being honest.
wind bough
So I have decent expectations
dim sigil
Him working on new Main Line is probably the best thing that could have happened
rough kestrel
That texture loading shit was real bad.
dim sigil
It's nice that the people who refuse or just do not want to play the MMO can experience the 14 team now
open verge
I wonder how square will advertise 16
Don’t think they will go has ham as they went with ff15 or 7r
rough kestrel
Yoshida revealing that he just wants to make Witcher/Fromsoft type gritty fantasy is just the cherry on top for me.
The artstyle of much of the SHB gear just looks so nice, looks like it's all from a different game and I'm like "Imagine if XIV had been made from the start in this style, that'd be cool"
dim sigil
I want the new shoes they are so tempting
open verge
Which?
rough kestrel
I got 2 of those leathers, but it seems smarter to just sell the mats, atleast sometimes you wind up with the premade outfit being so costly that people just dont buy it, but they do buy mats for their crafter friends
rough kestrel
I spent 10m on my crafted set so selling leathers will make back atleast half
rain onyx
My FC is either gonna try out Emerald EX or run maps for the new stuff
gaunt star
At least you're fighting it with more than 3 people this time 😄
placid sail
I really enjoyed the eorzea stuff in this patch
dim sigil
im not nearly as rich as most players but i used to sit around 20 mil about having doing nothing to make money in down to 7 mil now ;w;
gaunt star
I am loving Fandaniel's character. A totally unhinged Ascian, unlocked of their powers but not beholdened/held back. Pure insanity.
I'm so looking forward to what he does in 5.5
placid sail
we ||found a fucking cure to tempering and untempered the leader of the kobolds, who agreed to peace talks||, that is a huge deal
dim sigil
i love the scene with him and zenos theyre a great combo but i would like there to be another charater villain whos got something or interest while fan and zenos act as B plot
gaunt star
@placid sail
||And they're not just keeping that to the Scions knowledge either, they're giving the Porxies to everyone!||
placid sail
||anyone with a porxie and enough aether can untemper anyone||
gaunt star
I think Fandaniel is putting on a major show. I mean, the WoL just destroyed Emet-Selch AND Elidibus.... A Lesser Ascian [Fandaniel] wouldn't stand a chance, and he knows it. He NEEDS Zenos to fight the WoL to weaken them.
dim sigil
im sure theres more to fan like why exactly he feels as he does
placid sail
Fandaniel is chaotic evil, just like Zenos
proud estuary
Maybe he had too many miserable lives
gaunt star
Well, being held back for thousands of years by Elidibus is enough to make any Ascian lose their shit.
dim sigil
and i bet not all remaining ascians want to end the world so we may gain allies maybe
placid sail
he is interesting in how other characters react to him
gaunt star
They're probably so surprised that he's so unhinged because they are used to subtlety of the Paragons
They see Fandaniel and they're like: "What the hell is going on?!"
placid sail
I hope we will get at least one Ascian to ally with us
proud estuary
I want our sign to show
dim sigil
i mean actually
placid sail
||aside from Loghrif||
proud estuary
Azems sign
gaunt star
Tataru is Ascian all along and she's been helping you all this time.
I mean uhh!
Ahem.
Yeah totally.
proud estuary
Or atleast some of our memories from the past
dim sigil
theres more off them at least the telephone thing fan said
wet crown
telephoroi
dim sigil
and first beast which makes me think these beasts are gonna be the light wardens in terms how how we go around killing each one
placid sail
lunar drop
gaunt star
But the question is: Are those towers just going to ILLUSION the final days like Elidibus and Emet-Selch did?
placid sail
i need to look for those towers
placid sail
i think fandaniel wants the real thing
his goal is to end the world as spectacularly as possible
gaunt star
One by Porta Praetoria and one by the lookout in La Noscea.
I haven't found the one in Thanalan yet
dim sigil
proud estuary
Hehe
gaunt star
The Final Days weren't caused by external situations, it was all purely internal.
gaunt star
Like, the Ancients killed themselves, really, by igniting fear into their concepts which went totally haywire.
dim sigil
the cost of playing god
gaunt star
Aye.
dim sigil
i want it to be like fan says somthing like, did you really think Amarout was some sort of perfect paradise please all you did was view it through some rose tinted unsundered eyes
gaunt star
He wants them to live it LIVE.
What sparks me is that the WoL may actually get help from still-tempered Lesser Ascians.
Tempered Ascians who are still for the Rejoining wouldn't stand for Fandaniel wanting to completely annihilate the Source.
gaunt star
Also, if the Source is destroyed, I think the reflections would be destroyed too.
I agree. For one, if the Source is destroyed, there would be no rejoining AT ALL.
There'd be literally nothing left; An empty realm.
Fandaniel is going to be facing some major opposition. I can see the Ascians loyal to Zodiark getting involved against him. I can see the Dragons against him. I can see Midgardsormr getting off his lazy ass and getting involved. I can see Hydaelyn getting involved.
dim sigil
6.0 is the end of the story as we know thus far i believe so things are gonna sure happen
glass dagger
Isn't Middy hibernating again?
wind bough
All the warriors!
Midgardsormr is currently asleep and Hraesvelgr tells us it’s quite likely that he won’t wake up again within our lifetime
dim sigil
and he doenst at least in the alt timeline
errant mortar
dim sigil
theree still the thing under the source (lake)
carmine basin
Can Gaia and Ryne be found and talked to after finishing Eden?
dim sigil
far as i hear no
dim sigil
it feelsike theres a scene or two missing after
carmine basin
When are they gonna let us talk to them 😭
dim sigil
prob gonna get the ending later
carmine basin
I assume we'll get an epilogue at 5.5 yeah
wind bough
Yeah it does end quite abruptly
gaunt star
I honestly think 6.0 is going to be an End of Days repeat 🙂
It would so freaking amazing if so.
chills!
dim sigil
have ithappen in 5., 6.0 is the world of ruin
river hinge
Doesnt everything that happens eventually become an "end of days" event?
carmine basin
Rip can't enter Royal Menagerie after 5.4
river hinge
All threats in the game feel like an existential threat
gaunt star
He literally trashes the world and in 6.0 we wake up in ruin. Oh, that would be amazing.
wind bough
Can use ng+ to reenter I assume
fluid laurel
ARR 2
gaunt star
A World ReTORN
dim sigil
the threats always had purpose to bring things back, this is just actual lets end it all
carmine basin
Can use ng+ to reenter I assume
Just tested it and you can!
dim sigil
i use ng to get better eulmore music back
river hinge
I use ng to change shadowbtinger weather
carmine basin
The Pain in Pleasure one?
gaunt star
The reason I call it reTORN is because of Hydaelyn's song where: our souls have been torn and our bodies forsaken.
It would really put the emphasis on that.
dim sigil
pain in pleasure
carmine basin
I need the new sad song for msq and the balamb garden orchestrion
If we are getting eden ending at 5.5, hopefully it'll reward the balamb garden music
gaunt star
or Lunatic Pandora 😮
dim sigil
gona go to the MOON
gaunt star
Sorry, I'm hyper this morning ^-^
Well, I am going to head out and get ready for another boring day.
It was great talking with you all ❤️
dim sigil
sleeeep
prisma vine
just had a realization/fridge horror moment here. so mitron, an ascended 'shard,' said that, had he died, he'd have been reincarnated like gaia right? what about the three unsundered? would death have sundered them? do you only get reincarnated if you're sundered? if they were reborn, would they be Super Powerful, or would it be something that wouldn't be possible DUE to not being sundered? not to mention elidibus stuck in the tower, i suppose. or well. "elidibus?" i know we don't have answers but it made me go 
pastel coyote
Eli is dead
wind bough
Eli’s aetherial remains should eventually end up in the Lifestream
half phoenix
Well the only one of the three that wasn't "destroyed" in some way was Emet
wind bough
The Lifestream and the cycle of rebirth also existed in the Ancient world (the Amaurotines called it the Underworld)
So they should be compatible with it
Do they get sundered in the process? Who knows
half phoenix
Lahabrea was absorbed into Nidhogg's eye and turned into aether for Thordan, and Elidibus was absorbed into the Crystal Tower
wind bough
What seems most logical to me is that they would just be reborn with their extremely dense souls
half phoenix
Nah
pastel coyote
yes
half phoenix
Lahabrea's was thinned out as the aether from Thordan was spread out
and Elidibus's is probably stuck forever in the Crystal Tower, since it was designed to hold aether
placid sail
the answer is probably left vague on purpose until they have a reason to answer it
placid sail
yeah we did
wind bough
Yeah but they don’t keep the same fuel stored indefinitely
half phoenix
No, that was a Emet's own creation magic
wind bough
^
half phoenix
WE didn't summon his remains
wind bough
Something he baked into the Azem crystal for us
placid sail
oh whatever, you know what I meant
half phoenix
It was HIS last good-bye to Azem before disappearing
prisma vine
yeah i just meant 'eli is in the tower. unless eli's actual soul was gone before or something' and then with laha he's been Dispersed in chunks over time or with the destruction of the eyballs
but yeah, we have no indication of if reincarnation WAS a thing for the ancients though, do we? this is the first mention of it explicitly
pastel coyote
Eli. Is. Dead
half phoenix
Yes, we know
prisma vine
saki. we aren't disagreeing. i know he's dead. holy shit
placid sail
can't believe Eli Vance is dead 😔
half phoenix
But we're discussing if he's in the lifestream right now
prisma vine
i'm saying that his aether got hoovered into the godsdamned tower. please read what I put. this isn't a conspiracy theory about how the unsundered are alive
half phoenix
and he's not
prisma vine
this is me discussing the nature of reincarnation for them, as those three are outliers. and dead. all three.
we didn't get any indication on if reincarnation existed for the ancients, and thus i was musing about 'i wonder if they would have to be sundered to be reborn, since it's just sundered life forms now'
wind bough
but yeah, we have no indication of if reincarnation WAS a thing for the ancients...
It’s mentioned explicitly in Emet’s Tale from the Shadows
untold gull
so, did they actually gave us a double whammy with zenos? or can you even consider it triple whammy considering he's sb big bad
wind bough
They call it the Underworld and souls are recycled through it
prisma vine
that's why i was asking, i didnt remember if it was mentioned past 'recycling' since that could be either reincarnation or smth else
honestly they've all earned a nice break i almost hope they don't get reborn
placid sail
i am glad they finally have some peace
prisma vine
idk if that was an english-language liberty or smth
untold gull
i'm not gonna be surprised if emet is just chilling in the underworld
placid sail
an end to 14,000 years of desperately clinging to their old world
shame of all the murder
and the destruction of 8.9 worlds
prisma vine
cuz i know one of the stories had an entirely different section in english. for all i know, the recycling comment could be something entirely different in the others
placid sail
i am curious to see where the void quests will go
will this one quest line be it, or will they continue?
maybe they just wanted to give Unukalhai and Cyella a nice wrap-up
prisma vine
the quest DID say it may take some years to see fruition of the research
placid sail
that felt like "we might get back to this or not" speak
but the list of prerequirements is nontrivial
placid sail
the extreme triad are not so bad now
prisma vine
its the role quests
carmine basin
If we get any raid/trial from it, it would require people to level all roles
placid sail
but finishing all the role quests is not insignificant
carmine basin
Oh but
Anything that would make it easy is any new job that comes at 7.0, because they would be 80 by default
But that's kinda too far to consider happening
Or 6.0 jobs would be good enough bc it unlocks at 70
carmine basin
Also possible they continue it just for that questline, kind of like how jobs have stories from level 1 to level cap
agile hawk
All of these requirements only require one job leveled and this is not the case here
carmine basin
Yeah leveling jobs to 80 would still be more time tasking than doing raids, which are 15-20 mins each (not counting the queue times and cutscenes)
placid sail
i only unlocked the amaro mount a few months ago myself
and i started shb with all jobs at 70 
carmine basin
I'm very close to mine, on my last job which is lv 65 nin
wind bough
Void Quests seems like they’ll have more parts
placid sail
nin is a lot of fun after the retool
pastel coyote
hmmm gnb is 76, war/pal 50, monk 54, nin 61, bard/mch 60
wind bough
We need answers on the whole weird resonance between Unukalhai and Taynor
pastel coyote
still a long way
wind bough
Unukalhai may be a shard of Nyelbert or some such thing
placid sail
i bet unukalhai and taylor are shards of the same soul
carmine basin
When I peeked here earlier I saw people theorizing he's Nyelbert shard in 13th
placid sail
or that yeah
which would mean unukalhai is not our shard
which raises the question
where is our thirteenth shard?
carmine basin
Cyella 
pastel coyote
cuchulain, thank for nothing
carmine basin
I want my shard to be CoD
placid sail
carmine basin
Which means we fought ourselves
wind bough
I would love it if it was Cuchulainn not even kidding
carmine basin
prisma vine
same tho
placid sail
i really want to know if that Asahi looking guy on the First in the Cabinet of Curiosity is in fact a shard of Asahi
wind bough
Hey how did you his feel finding out Unukalhai has been in soul form this whole time and not using a vessel
Which means he was in extreme danger hanging around Zurvan that one time and could’ve been eaten
placid sail
well we already knew he is a bit of a dumbass sometimes
vernal dust
untold gull
e12. annoying transition phase that got old the second time around
gaunt star
The transition in E12 is cool but I wish that there was a checkpoint after it
prisma vine
is there any way to not end up at 20 or lower on that? its always right about there for me so far
gaunt star
I think it's supposed to get to that
prisma vine
ahh kk, i saw 14 once it was Ouch
gaunt star
I think I ended at 21 one time? But not sure
It took me 50 minutes to clear it for my first run since people kept dying to the "phase 2" mechs
carmine basin
For sommer and azu: new mogstation set likely to be: 1) Alphinaud's current outfit and the twins' hair 2) school uniform 3) korean exclusive that was released on new years 2020
obsidian pagoda
I wanna buy that school outfit for my friend, he's got a max height roe and I wanna see that in a skirt
vital brook
eh that is a bad outfit
really makes no sense fashionwise...but the school uniform will be the one where my money goes
drowsy belfry
I would love it if it was Cuchulainn not even kidding
Dude right? Cuchulain as our 13th Shard would be hilarious
Which means we quite literally killed ourselfs
pastel coyote
heh no big deal
late void
i want a lunar bahamut mount
vital brook
bro i want this
wispy bolt
does she have..... two right hands?
carmine basin
omg this is a hint on the new job!!!! /s
craggy gale
hell yeah dude give me 2 guns
obsidian pagoda
a dual wielding machinist would be so good
pastel coyote
it just a skill for the next expac calm down
vale flower
bro i want this
who doesn't want a piece of the good ol' admiral 😳 👌
vital brook
i meant dualwielding musketeer job
Yes, moonbringers
They really look like kids receiving a toy
or a dog
vale flower
"can we really keep him, mom?????"
onyx sundial
I think the hairs from the datamine is a hint of a timeskip for the twins
vale flower
its in the newest patch, yshtola was talking abt giving the porxies to uldah first
bc immortal flames kill tempered asap
polar chasm
I see the wol used all the good dialogue options budhet in nier and role quests
pastel coyote
"timeskip" here we go again
worn forge
do you think Owen got turned down for his research by Amon because by that point the CoD had already begun warping the mind of Emperor Xande?
crystal sentinel
wild marsh
wet crown
5.5
wispy pelican
Fffff
polar star
So e9s is a bit loaded for a first floor
wispy pelican
Needing to wait to kill that fucker is greater torture
lavish birch
e9s isnt that hard , just requires more communication than usual
wispy pelican
These quests and unnecesarily cruel and
polar star
I'm a pug lol
lavish birch
doesnt mean u cant communicate
gaunt star
dont u just love when raids are new
lavish birch
just gotta be lucky and find a group whos capable of it xd
gaunt star
These quests and unnecesarily cruel and
lol please people complained none of the scions died during Shadowbringers and that it was a happy ending
patent axle
Random question
wispy pelican
People not dying and children being tortured in an e rated game is very sifferent thing @gaunt star
patent axle
why is there Fray in the patch 5.4 images ?
lavish birch
ng+
lavish birch
they added the class quests
gaunt star
People not dying and children being tortured in an e rated game is very sifferen...
i mean at the end of the lives are lives, wanting good people to die in general is worry even in a game
and as far as im concerned the Au Ra kids brought it to their selves 
wispy pelican
Not good people bad and dying . By children being tortured should be a no
polar star
The Au Ra kids had to accept, or else more people would die to the weapon project
lavish birch
^
wispy pelican
But then again perhaps thats is acceptable to you . But not all us are comfortable with that picture sorry
lavish birch
they wanted to get the weapons so that they could put a stop to it
polar star
I was so fucking hoping the kid with the burning metal would just slap Valens in the face
gaunt star
i just wished for valens to die in 5.4
gaunt star
i disliked him since his previous appearance
lavish birch
milk
gaunt star
now? lol guy was a mess since his introduction
lavish aurora
Seriously, wanna punch him in his creepy face
lavish birch
gaunt star
the leftovers of the garleans leaders are idiots
wispy pelican
I skipped the old cutscnes lol my team was making to skip to prog ruby
wispy pelican
They are
gaunt star
wispy pelican
But then agin we did it on first day
I gotta say the quality of garlean generals has gone bad
lavish birch
tryna world first it or get it out the way for savage?
wispy pelican
Needed the weapon to prog savages
gaunt star
but worlds first in this game is meaningless 
polar star
Going for worlds first is stupid when thoughts per second is just going to win anyway
wispy pelican
Plus ruby ex was super easy
lavish birch
world first isnt meaningless
but trying to get something done as soon as possible is kinda meaningless
unless it conflicts with real life
wispy pelican
Everyone has their own way of playing i guess . I went back and played the whole game again to catch up on story
gaunt star
lavish birch
you think they do it to get gear sooner? xD
wispy pelican
Eh gear ?
gaunt star
tbh i dont know anyone besides thoughts per second and even then i know them as a team not individually xd
lavish birch
think of it like this
gaunt star
and idk what they even did worlds first on xdd
wispy pelican
Pepple do care about gear lol i sold a 510 gear for 34 million total on first day and that was just 1 set
wintry nest
it’s all about the clout baby
brazen ridge
if we didn’t have people world firsting and progging then guides for these fights would take even longer to come out
wintry nest
t.saint of the firmament
wispy pelican
Funny rhing is my best gear is 500 lmao
lavish birch
do speedrunners speed run games to get them done quick for no reason or do they compete to make it the fastest in the world
same kinda scenario
gaunt star
wispy pelican
Its about satiscaction . Some people like going to limsa to become limsas no 1 thot . Some love the story . Some love to prog difficult things
lavish birch
if we didn’t have people world firsting and progging then guides for these fight...
even more of a factor for ultimate
would take bloody ages for anyone to understand it otherwise
gaunt star
wispy pelican
Back to point
I think the laat competent general of the empire is in the bozja quest
Rest all are weak idiots
polar star
I think it'd be pretty hard to be competent when your empire is on the verge of destruction
pastel coyote
well they better don't miss the confrontation with Gabranth given how his legion trust him
wispy pelican
Yeah i get a feeling gabranth gunhyldr will be fun
pastel coyote
i doubt we will kill VvV, the way he is presented is too much cartoonish and evil for the sake of evil. The writer will maybe use him as a way to redeem Gaius in some way.
forest magnet
VvV is gonna be like "u better surrender urself or Alfonse gets in the Diamond weapon and turns into Goo Zenos"
and that duskwight is gonna be like "hehe i finally get to kill him"
then Gaius goes "no"
and the duskwight is disappointed
polar star
"Goo Zenos"
Love it.
Idk what's up with the duskwight tbh
can't tell if he's with us or against us
bold condor
Who, Valdeaulin?
polar star
Ye
bold condor
He gave his backstory last round.
polar star
Yeah
bold condor
Like, he's not gonna betray us for Garlemald, he hates them.
forest magnet
He thinks gaius will betray us
pastel coyote
The deal is easy: the moment Gaius join garlemald in any way, he will kill him
bold condor
Yep.
forest magnet
though i don't really think he can actually kill gaius
polar star
Hm.
bold condor
Which I'm almost certain won't happen because Gaius van Baelsar dying in side content after being brought back would be hilariously silly.
forest magnet
gaius could hold his own (with help) against Zenos, i'm pretty sure Zenos could blink at Valdeulin and he'd die
polar star
I don't think Gaius is actually going to rejoin Garlemald. 1. He is disgraced. 2. After seeing what Valens has done to his adopted kids, i doubt he wants to be even somewhat related to him
pastel coyote
And trying to save his children rather than join them fall in the case "acceptable" from his point, from what we can gather so far
polar star
If we don't get anymore Gaius after 5.5 I'm gonna throw hands
pastel coyote
well..... we probably get more, i mean his knowledge of Ilsabard could prove usefull.
polar star
I'm calling it. He joins the scions. /s
rough kestrel
If you beat E12S they should let you go play Triple Triad with Gaia and let you win FF8 cards from her 
I still think Gaius will be our Garlean figurehead to rule Garlemald placed by us.
Making it no longer a hostile nation... or well, as hostile
pastel coyote
My main concern overall is how thing will be played: as we already see during ShB some character/situation can turn pretty good or bad given the way we get them
As unlikely it is, Zenos could team up with us if the reason are believable and not just based on some fanservice. And i'm not saying he will, it just to have an exemple who seem the less probable among those existing.
keen hedge
iu do not see any reason for him to join us, the live or die is what makes him feel alive. even if it kills him
keen hedge
Zenos would prefer to die fighting than team up. Fighting alone is his thing. and if the wol couldn't defeat a impossibloe foe, then the wol would not have any worth for Zenos as his friend/rival
forest magnet
Zenos teaming up is the last thing I want
worn forge
Gaius won’t die or defect due to how the MSQ gets branded. They’d have to force completion of the trial storyline for MSQ progress if that happened
keen hedge
maybe we could recruit by paying with WOL figths.
you do scion work and then we figth tonight XD
maybe would work
worn forge
it made sense for Crystal Tower and Shadowbringers, but it wouldn’t for the weapons storyline
wary perch
Zenos is too far gone to be a vegeta
forest magnet
He's more like Cell
keen hedge
not a frieza
torpid yoke
As unlikely it is, Zenos could team up with us if the reason are believable and ...
the only way i could see him teaming up with us is if someone else tries to kill us first
wary perch
Lyse, hien, raubhan and yigiri would freak out lol
torpid yoke
Like the pridiction i always say for 6.0
keen hedge
the only way i could see him teaming up with us is if someone else tries to kill...
if some one could do that then we just have insulted zenos. How can his rival be defeated by someone else than him
torpid yoke
i said tries
forest magnet
The Telephori beasts are gonna be how we 'level up' and get stronger so Zenos can have a good fight with us
they'll act as the lightwardens of 6.0
keen hedge
well, i remember the black rose thing. ya if someone tries to use a cowardly way to defeat us he would intervene XD
torpid yoke
The first one is a warning the second one will break them
the thrid one will make them weave laws anew Kappa
torpid yoke
and after u defeat one we get 'stronger'
We get stronger from fighting shit anyways.
forest magnet
the issue is how the towers thing is gonna be resolved
or are they just gonna stick around until end of 6.0 when we end the HvZ arc
keen hedge
How he planted n towers before anyone noticed, the alliance needs better soldiers
torpid yoke
Well he can teleport
and the towers will prbably be resolved in 6.0
but for 5.5
The moon gains a glyph that shows all the way through 6.0 Kappa
forest magnet
the towers are probably the "papalymo dalamud" in terms of setup
Lunar bahamut is like the most direct reference to FF4 at the moment right
viscid monolith
Gaius won’t die or defect due to how the MSQ gets branded. They’d have to force ...
That wouldn't be so bad
The Trial storyline should be forced imo
swift kraken
man i forgot how pretty terncliff music was too
emerald weapon cutscenes were dope as hell
viscid monolith
Fucking Gaius Baelsar is a central character in it.
Arguably THE central character
swift kraken
they laid it on a bit too thick with the "allie has a seeecret plan" though
worn forge
did you see how sad your character is when Cid says GWarrior is busted
viscid monolith
I love that the WoL is visibly upset they don't get to pilot the G Warrior this time
swift kraken
i didnt but thinking about it is funny as hell
viscid monolith
As much as people might hate it I really hope Diamond Weapon is a 1v1 with us in G Warrior
Vs Slime Zenos
viscid monolith
Candidate?
viscid monolith
Zenos is the combat data they're using
viscid monolith
The last cutscene confirmed it I think
bold condor
Zenos was confirmed to be the combat data. Did you finish the quest?
swift kraken
no
viscid monolith
Oh rip I didn't mean to spoil you
bold condor
I'm hoping for a solo instance before the trial, personally.
So that we can weaken Diamond with the G-Warrior and finish it off in the trial.
swift kraken
i dont really care about spoiling smth that happens in 2 minutes
viscid monolith
And Cid mentioned uogrades so G Warrior will have cooler shit
swift kraken
man the "burn out the bad" cutscene is some fucking psychopath shit
worn forge
first phase of diamond weapon is eight G-Warriors then we hop out as a full party to clap some cheeks for phase two
viscid monolith
I'll just wait to say anything I feel genuinely bad for spoiling
swift kraken
we are in the spoiler chat, dw about it 
ashen violet
YO ANOGG IS A WHAT
torpid yoke
Aether is stored in the b-
viscid monolith
brain
ashen violet
THAT'S A FUCKING SEED OF DESTRUCTION
I am very much excited for death and suffering in local dwarf village come 5.5
viscid monolith
Aether is stored in the brain and I will hear nothing else about it
torpid yoke
Also inb4 we fight jade weapon with g-warrior since its protecting diamond g-warrior gets damaged so we have to fight diamond without it
Oh yea i guess it was a seed of distruction like
viscid monolith
I'd be down for a solo and trial instance
torpid yoke
we should touch it so we can see if we phase right into it
worn forge
reminder that the chief said he found them both in that cave system years ago together
forest magnet
Aether is stored in the b-
hey! I said it first 
worn forge
so Konogg might be too
forest magnet
Konogg was made by the Androids and Anogg was made by the Machine Lifeforms
the last raid in a series always lays it on thick when it comes to story
torpid yoke
hey! I said it first <:angrymiqote:573716740576509953>
i was quoting you :D
forest magnet
:3
torpid yoke
probably is
forest magnet
they're practically color coded
torpid yoke
its also interesting how they line up with the colors of the androids and machine network
lunar hound
oh snap, it never occurred to me that that Konogg and Anogg are dressed in black and white too until now
forest magnet
it also explains why neither of them have parents that are referenced
lunar hound
.....gdi Yoko Taro!!!!!
ashen violet
but does that mean Anogg is the egg
because as we know the egg is a lot more destructive
unless she counts as some sort of pseudo-intoner or something
torpid yoke
well if they are referencing drakengards seeds of destruction maybe
but they could also just be a reference to ko-shi and ro-shi
static niche
did e12s get cleared?
ashen violet
in either case I can't wait until Konogg ends up being plagued by a sea of Anoggs and dies or some shit
y'know like that cutscene where the woman gets eaten by the babies or smth
signal solar
Eden mount
forest magnet
Sea of Anogg add phase
pastel coyote
well so far Gaius was "i have not recovered yet, i can't help" but i wouldn't be surprise if he jump in the g-warrior for the last part
ashen violet
the philosophy side of Nier is nice but considering we are facing some sort of end of days soon some impending doom would be tasty
forest magnet
well so far Gaius was "i have not recovered yet, i can't help" but i wouldn't be...
isn't it only calibrated to work with us though.
Cid there was biometric authentication built into it so nobody else could steal it.
pastel coyote
yeah drakengard seed of destruction can turn the nier raid into a new tier of horror.... if they let Taro have his way which i wish
scenic sun
Yoko Taro is this close to nuking the servers
Also speaking of EP, The Extreme arragement is top notch
open verge
Thanjit was sick
sonic vigil
Is there any youtube upload of the extreme as a bgm yet?
open verge
Is the void quest good YALL?
scenic sun
Thanjit was sick
Yeah that was a sick fight
open verge
I have done the void quests yet
scenic sun
Is there any youtube upload of the extreme as a bgm yet?
there's 1
pastel coyote
then do it
scenic sun
I'll prob do the void quest when 6.0 drops
ashen violet
Please yoko taro I want the epitome of 'this is not okay'
looking at the sorrow of werlyt and what goes down there I think there's a good chance of it actually happening
Drakengard!
lunar hound
I am excited for the direction the void quests are going
open verge
Ok I’ll do it
sonic vigil
I see it thank you
forest magnet
Just give me a raid at least somewhat close to the difficulty of pre nerf monastery
but they wont' do that
serene crest
isn't it only calibrated to work with us though.
They said previous pilots. Meaning anyone who is authorized can. It isn't specifically just us. At the moment we are its only known pilot, yes, but there's nothing saying Cid or Gaius can't use it.
viscid monolith
Sorrow of Werlyt is darker than Dark Apocalypse by the way
lunar hound
for sure
ashen violet
Sorrow of Werlyt is darker than Dark Apocalypse by the way
that's why I'm hoping dark apocalypse goes down the same route as sorrow of werlyt
we've got the right ingredients of it
just eldritch horror rather than manmade
scenic sun
that's why I'm hoping dark apocalypse goes down the same route as sorrow of werl...
What if all the village was just copied by kannog
'Cause the Chief was too happy go lucky in the last cutscene
potent marsh
The not very emerald weapon
open verge
I think the wife got fucked up
torpid yoke
OH SHIT
ashen violet
What if all the village was just copied by kannog
I raise you the idea of intoners and what their song entails
aka if that's the case then we can be fighting all of the villagers if anything goes wrong
torpid yoke
SEED OF DISTRUCTION
scenic sun
I think the wife got fucked up
||She literally had a miscariage due to the attack||
torpid yoke
NEAR DEAD WIFE
open verge
Birth to robo baby
torpid yoke
Yall know what thaaaat meansss
ashen violet
Not the robo babies
the babies with teeth
open verge
Lmao
potent marsh
Birth to robo baby
I wanna see a meme where monk build full skill speed
open verge
Me too
ashen violet
these ones to be exact
scenic sun
OH GOD
open verge
Oh that’s trippy
scenic sun
I wonder where it will be
I wonder if it'll be the tower
ashen violet
What I'm thinking is they'll try to revive the baby with the egg because it's happened with Anogg
and instead of a baby lalafell, THESE spawn
forest magnet
revive what baby?
ashen violet
the implied to be miscarried baby by one of the villager dwarves wife
scenic sun
^^^
forest magnet
also killing babies might not do so well with some places the game is released
but meh
ashen violet
still a fun thought though
scenic sun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4znluRH6L4M next BGM let's go
ashen violet
drakengard is absolute nuts and I genuinely hope we get to see a little bit of that somehow
rough kestrel
More people need to know about the glory of Drakengard
torpid yoke
the wife is dying too so its more likely he tries to revive her
rough kestrel
and how fun it is to make fucked up characters the heroes
torpid yoke
but dont get your hopes up yet lest you be disappointed
scenic sun
but dont get your hopes up yet lest you be disappointed
I'm not
forest magnet
Nier can get away with things that XIV can't, is my point lol
ashen violet
but dont get your hopes up yet lest you be disappointed
again, fun to speculate. drakengard is very much to one end of the spectrum and I won't be surprised if they end up dialing it back to fit with the comparative 'normalcy' of nier
forest magnet
Because people will start calling it "the abortion raid"
pastel coyote
yeah so what ?
ashen violet
normalcy being more on the psychological side of things(minus the tower)
pastel coyote
people are really snowflake if they do
forest magnet
people are really snowflake if they do
have you seen this GMs?
pastel coyote
GM ?
forest magnet
game masters
the ones that send u to the jail
they'll ban u for doing for something as innocuous as using Holy in a city state
lunar hound
meanwhile I'm over here still absorbing the fact that we've murdered over half of Gaius' adopted family 😢
forest magnet
at least he still has Nero
pastel coyote
funny you say that
ashen violet
I'm just over here and
pastel coyote
i don't use holy, i use earthly star !
potent marsh
meanwhile I'm over here still absorbing the fact that we've murdered over half o...
Well they started it
ashen violet
feels like karma going round the house to me tbh
I'll delete the gif in case it starts being visually tiring
lunar hound
even though this is Karmic retribution for Gaius, that doesn't really make me feel that much better
ashen violet
at least the legacy of him having sided with garlemald is being taken out so he doesn't have anything holding him back if he does want to settle things
physically, but point stands
torpid yoke
they'll ban u for doing for something as innocuous as using Holy in a city state
it had to be more than just spamming holy
worn forge
nah I’ve been messaged by a GM for holy spamming toi
worn forge
we were celebrating a known couple on the server getting married IRL
and several of us got hit with reports
potent marsh
Really why is it bannable?
worn forge
its annoying I guess
potent marsh
Flashing lights?
ashen violet
OH speaking of the nier raids
even if in the end it's just the husband reviving the wife it's still a reprisal of inuart and furiae a la ending B
ashen violet
which means instead of a sea of Anoggs or a sea of babies it'll just be a sea of generic lalafells
which does take care of the whole 'no killing babies' business
ahem anyway. I have stopped being feral about the 5.4 nier quest, do go on
late willow
Ok so since people missed the context of why he was banned
He was asked multiple times by both players and GMs to stop spamming holy since it was annoying
He wasn't banned for spamming holy, he was banned for being a dick and intentionally being disruptive
gaunt star
e11s fun af
late willow
Whenever you hear "I was banned for doing x innocent thing" 9 times out of 10 they were actually banned for something else that they just decided to leave out
rough kestrel
^
"So what'd you do?"
"Nothin"
"You probably did something"
"idk man I din do nothing"
"I'm going to assume you fucked up"
worn forge
in my case it was just a GM telling me “hey be a bit more considerate that y’all aren’t the only ones in town” which is fair and reasonable
and in hindsight, twelve or so healers spamming aoes in town is pretty obnoxious
at least mine was just a warning 
rough kestrel
Yeah spell spammers in town are the worst
I wish the DRK AOE had its own volume control
worn forge
iirc Grit or Darkside got a day 1/2 HW hotfix because either their sfx or animation was way too obnoxious
I think it was Darkside??
late willow
Yeah Darkside
viscid monolith
The effect was bigger and louder
gaunt star
I miss perma darkside effect
worn forge
queue day one of Heavensward where everyone wanted to be the new jobs
and now there’s sixty DRKs in a single area blinding people
drowsy belfry
TBT to that time I got Blisted because some guy got upset I used Ring of Thornes in Limsa
@gaunt star can attest
soft gyro
worn forge
Goldemar 
forest magnet
SS rank right
wet crown
And triggering Beqq Lug out of his fucking mind
pastel coyote
all this time Meara deleted my message i was innocent, probably
gaunt star
kindred rampart
https://tenor.com/view/what-sponge-bob-shocked-confused-what-the-gif-12645964
Beqq when we start chucking more crystalized souls through the first for the hell of it @wet crown
gaunt star
wet crown
and then he gets all uppity when we're trying to open a void gate atop the tower
like come one, what could possibly happen
kindred rampart
though I wonder if we end up using it to get rid of Zenos
"Yeah find some place that's really hard to get to. . .even for someone like me. Toss it there. . .and FORGET ABOUT IT!"
wet crown
As if Zenos couldn't escape from there
gaunt star
Im curious about why Y'shtola crew aren't able to teleport back to the first. Excepy thanny, they should still be attuned to the aetherytes. Hmm.jpg
torpid yoke
he'll fix it :D
gaunt star
Hmmmmmmmmm.....
wet crown
Hmmm...TECHNICALLY...
gaunt star
Wouldn't be surprised if we get them as trusts eventually
wet crown
Derplander would just need to summon both with Azem's crystal
gaunt star
And forbaela
gaunt star
bold condor
Has it ever been indicated you can summon specific people with that crystal?
gaunt star
No
wary perch
Limsa section of the msq is so boring
gaunt star
It was pretty general but its possible
wary perch
😴
wet crown
Limsa section of the msq is so boring
How dare you
gaunt star
Will require alot of research and testing
wary perch
I'm at sicard part
gaunt star
To be fair i forgot Lyse existed till this patch
wary perch
Remind me of arr errand boy msq
gaunt star
Yeah I do wish errand boy quests would die
wet crown
Merlwyb is the biggest badass in the lore. And with the exposure she just got, she won't be relevant again until...8.3 or so. She makes others look like hot garbage
gaunt star
Though I'm amused WoL is shown to be absolutely tired of it
The word Fetch triggers WoL
After the orbonne questline
torpid yoke
Has it ever been indicated you can summon specific people with that crystal?
If we learned how to possibly. I would think azem had control of who specifically they wanted to call but it hasnt been stated outright yet (Not like we've had enough time to at least)
bold condor
Has it also been established how much aether is imbued into the stone?
forest magnet
No
wet crown
No. Besides
bold condor
Because these things usually tend to be one-and-done narratively speaking.
Like when we used Hraesvelgr's eye.
forest magnet
It's a plot device. Literally.
wet crown
I'm suprised the crystal didn't vanish, yet.
forest magnet
It has as much aether as it needs to have
wet crown
I thought it was a recreation like Amaurot
bold condor
As long as its magic is used up, it serves as a good memento.
wet crown
y'know, fated to fade
bold condor
No, it's a real crystal.
Like the others.
Imbued with the magic of Hades based on Azem.
Unlike the others which just hold memories of the original holder.
wet crown
I get that much, I just thought all of them were just recreations
bold condor
No, the Ascians routinely use such stones to make new Ascians.
If they were recreations, they wouldn't have those voices, either.
wet crown
so there's more than 1 set of them all but Hades made only one of Azem
bold condor
Correct, yes.
wet crown
Presumably at least
bold condor
It's stated he only made that one in secret.
viscid monolith
Well we can't call Hraesvalgr every time we need to fight to use his eye
bold condor
Yes, but my point is more "this kind of help is the kind of thing that only happens once."
We only get shielded from Ultima once, etc.
But we always have the Blessing of Light.
Except in HW.
torpid yoke
I think it would have more than one use
bold condor
Because...?
torpid yoke
Maybe it pulls aether from around the area and uses the persons own anima to teleport them
torpid yoke
and hades made it so it would probably be able to be used more than once
probably at least 3 times
torpid yoke
full soul
bold condor
???
torpid yoke
deep reserves of aether with his connection to the underworld
bold condor
I literally don't understand where you're getting any of these ideas from.
Okay, but you said
"probably at least 3 times"
torpid yoke
oh
bold condor
Having a lot of aether doesn't mean anything.
torpid yoke
i just pulled a number out of my ass
bold condor
It means he put enough aether into it to perform the miracles of:
bold condor
- Summoning 7 people to our side.
- Summoning a shade of himself to pull us out of the space between dimensions.
I know I tend to be really opinionated when I think something would be bad writing.
But I really think having us use the magic again would be bad writing.
Having the stone SHOW UP for an emotional moment? Yeah, sure.
random ravine
since we know the essence of dragons are in their eyes, do we know what happened to bahamut's eyes?
torpid yoke
To summon people to our side?
viscid monolith
I assume Allag took the eyes and did unholy things with them
bold condor
"Why don't we summon literally anyone to our side all the time?"
For example, right now Krile and Tataru are looking for Estinien.
Why wouldn't we just use the crystal to summon him.
We needed to capture a kobold patriarch this patch.
Why not use the Azem crystal to summon him into the middle of Merlwyb's chamber?
Even if it's just our friends, we could then have Thancred and Urianger on linkpearl
torpid yoke
We dont forcably make people come to our side they seem to have free will to say no
lavish birch
is the sweep emote in the game yet
bold condor
It breaks the story.
lavish birch
(obtainable)
bold condor
If anyone's ever in trouble and not immediately nearby but also capable of communicating, we can immediately pull them out.
torpid yoke
Going off graha's spell they have their own will to answer the call of the teleportation magick
bold condor
That's not entirely true.
torpid yoke
How so?
torpid yoke
He pulled their wills only not the whole soul body mind
bold condor
The same spell Called the Scions.
If you'll recall.
And NONE of them were willing.
So you're just making up that you need to be willing, that's not a facet of the spell.
If it were, then Shadowbringers wouldn't have happened.
Because Thancred, Y'shtola, Urianger, Alphinaud, and Alisaie would not have said "oh yes take me"
torpid yoke
Rommy of all people i wouldnt expect you to assume that im making it up
bold condor
I'm not assuming you're making it up on purpose.
torpid yoke
It's possible for people to forget things you know
bold condor
But I am saying you're mistaken.
pastel coyote
Hmmm i don't remember the order, did we "summon" elidibus before or after we get the stone ?
torpid yoke
after
torpid yoke
both
bold condor
We don't get the stone until after we go to Amaurot and face Elidibus.
open verge
Ryne and Gaia vs Unukalhai and Taynor
pastel coyote
yeah it was before
bold condor
Elidibus coming to us was before we even know about the stones.
torpid yoke
oh wait i read that wrong