I still haven't complete msq.
I'm at the part after brute force the password on allagan node and setup network of cpu for simulation
#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
wary perch
loud pecan
I'm taking the children we saw on the cinematic for example
bold condor
Yes, the corruption of minors is in part to instill fear in them but also to encourage them to see pain as aspirational.
wary perch
That's teaching through punishment
strange wing
Merlwyb remains best girl.
It took like three expansions but finally some Limsa content that isn't "We need a boat".
bold condor
As for Fordola, she could have lived out her life quietly as a citizen in Ala Mhigo, but even under Gaius van Baelsar the conditions were so deplorable that they led to her father being beaten in the streets while Garlean soldiers just watched.
bold condor
And conditions continued to be that way to the extent that she felt the need to enlist in the military for the slim chance of proving to the Garleans that Ala Mhigans were worthy of basic rights.
Zenos only took over a few months before Stormblood, Fordola's motivations are all under Gaius's watch.
dim sigil
It goes a bit deeper than Saturday cartoon evil
bold condor
I mean, dismissing it as just evil kind of - yeah.
It misses the point, there's a reason they examine the Empire from multiple angles.
From who built it, to what kind of people live comfortably in it, to what kind of people suffer under it, to what kind of people would serve it...
There's a LOT to unpack. Emet-Selch did a LOT of damage to this nation.
gaunt star
It’s as cliché as kicking a dog to show evil
loud pecan
Emet did this nation
strange wing
Emet-Selch created the nation to be this evil
bold condor
Well, yes and no.
It's more that Emet-Selch found a nation susceptible to the rise of a supremacist movement.
Then gave it the tools to believe itself superior to its neighbors and stoked the desire to conquer their fellow man for EXTREMELY far back historical reasons as a flimsy rationale.
lunar hound
He created it to provoke the beast tribes into summoning primals enough to engender calamities, did he not?
bold condor
Not entirely.
Garlemald itself is a Calamity machine.
Its intent was to cause strife until it burnt out.
lunar hound
that's what I was getting at, yes
turbid helm
Emet himself said the empire exists to bring about the rejoining.
bold condor
But just because that's Solus's aim doesn't mean the Garleans who helped him are absolved of responsibility.
After all, the vast majority of them had no idea, including his own family until recently.
strange wing
Almost kinda feel bad for Varis, the last true believer
bold condor
It doesn't matter what the leader's "true motive" is, the Garlean Empire did these things because they approved of a man like Solus.
Varis?
The "true believer" in the death worship spewed by his grandfather as rhetoric to justify slaughter.
strange wing
Hence the almost
urban turret
varis is also a racist bich
bold condor
I know, that dude lived and died blind.
So neglectful that he didn't even recognize what Zenos wanted until the moment he cut his throat.
urban turret
i want Valens to die a painful death where he wants to scream but cannot
i want him to die in the most horrible excrutiating way possible
lunar hound
to be fair, nobody very few people are crazy enough to recognize what Zenos wants
loud pecan
i want valens to actually oversoul diamond weapon
sterile galleon
bold condor
I mean, Zenos will tell you what he wants outright.
brisk quail
i want Valens to die a painful death where he wants to scream but cannot
Can we be sadistic?
bold condor
You literally just have to be in a room with the man for like five minutes.
lunar hound
yes but no one believes that that's all there is
turbid helm
Why Gaius remained loyal to Varis after all that's transpired is beyond me.
urban turret
Can we be sadistic?
with Valens it isn't sadism, it's catharsis
strange wing
Zenos has match his big number with another big number
bold condor
Because Gaius was indoctrinated since he was a child.
lunar hound
everyone around him assumes that there has to be some higher, grander purpose
strange wing
He is basically old Broly
bold condor
He's 57 years old, he was 7 when Solus became Emperor.
dim sigil
gaius isnt great himself
lunar hound
when in reality Zenos only wnats one single thing
loud pecan
Gaius believed in Varis's ambition, not methods
bold condor
And, nah, the fact that he came out of a nation like Garlemald alone justifies him more than Broly.
Because with Broly, he didn't grow up on Vegeta.
brisk quail
with Valens it isn't sadism, it's catharsis
bold condor
So his obsession with power doesn't track as well.
mighty light
Like a good soldier.
They worship death.```
Probably helps to explain why he's doing paperwork wearing a helmetBut Zenos grew up in Garlemald, a state that idealizes power and killing as the way to earn self-determination.
turbid helm
Broly went apeshit because Goku cried too much as a baby.
mighty light
It's a lot easier to shrug things off if you don't have to look anybody in the face
(I really like that explanation of Garlemald it's
Really important to talk about how Garlean supremacy is not just a product of certain people being dicks, but rather a fundamentally baked-in product of the system designed to enable the exploitation of its citizenry)
strange wing
FF14 is pretty smort like that.
mighty light
(And not only that but to allow certain members of its citizenry to overlook their own exploitation with the justification that other people have it worse, and if the inequalities in the system are addressed, they might lose what little they have)
urban turret
Fuck Imperialism.
mighty light
(This is something that is of course only relevant in FFXIV and not at all in the real world, right now. Definitely.)
strange wing
Basically the tagline for Stormblood
bold condor
And fuck fashion.
urban turret
look the best thing right now is Merlwyb decided to help end eorzean beastman racism.
coral kite
Rolled a 47 on gaia minion
bold condor
With that top.
coral kite
cry
bold condor
Girl.
coral kite
😔
mighty light
I can't believe Merlwyb used capitalism to end racism
turbid helm
I, like everyone else, picked Maelstrom for Merl.
mighty light
I picked Ul'dah for BLM.
strange wing
Garleans WISHED they were as cool as the Maelstorm
turbid helm
More fashionable and can use magick.
urban turret
look. i have done every single beast tribe quest so i'm god
turbid helm
What is that Ascian you're seen fighting in the 5.4 trailer? I never came across that.
strange wing
Haven't even touched the ARR ones
turbid helm
Or maybe it's not an Ascian... Looked like a Prime.
urban turret
ohhh ok then that's Eden bullshit don't worry bout it
mighty light
It might be in Savage, or I guess in post-patch content
We saw Nybeth in the trailer but he's probably going to be in Bozja
strange wing
Did the Kobolds always have old timey blimey accents?
mighty light
I don't remember if we've heard them speak before now
turbid helm
Did Eden. Might be Savage? I saw the E12S new phase and that wasn't it.
urban turret
ok idk then
mighty light
It might be E10S?
¯_(ツ)_/¯
strange wing
What did Yoshi mean by this, making the Kobolds British?
urban turret
i mean mords sounded like they had throats made of sandpaper so i think this is better
strange wing
I noticed Cid has like 3 voice actors in one patch
turbid helm
I kinda wanted the untemper to fail so I didn't have to listen to Ga Bul or w/e talk anymore.
mighty light
Oof
lunar hound
gasp
urban turret
go to jail
mighty light
I mean you're right but you didn't have to say it
dim sigil
I mean it's very much not what I expected but I wouldn't call it bad by any means
urban turret
yeah i kinda like their voices.
mighty light
Ga Bu's VA sounds like a child actor
Which is to say that I can't blame them for it but they don't sound very skilled
gaunt star
Did anyone feel kinda bored of the last eden raid ? Maybe the hype killed it. But it felt like a huge role play fight
open verge
The equipment and mixing
dim sigil
what do you mean by role play fi fight
open verge
They all felt off
mighty light
I still don't like Merlwyb's new VA that much but she isn't bad; she's just not as good as the old one
turbid helm
He sounds like a gruff mechanic.
gaunt star
Like u literally kill 3 monsters, and wait for the dialogue of the memory
turbid helm
Which is perfect to be honest.
gaunt star
And when the transition is over there is nothing else lol
urban turret
I like Cid's new VA
it's the same one since HW but Prae has corrupted all of our minds
open verge
Don’t know if others did
turbid helm
I like the E12 theme at least. Kinda bummed we didn't get any vocals in any of the new raids.
open verge
No ultimecia was probably a bummer for some
mighty light
I didn't expect it to be Ultimecia and I was still unsatisfied; checkmate, atheists
random anvil
the dog didn't even look like Greiver. i want a refund
pine epoch
E12 phase 1 has vocals
open verge
I guess they wanted to flex nomura designs lol
The mitron stuff was kinda meh actually
pine epoch
Tho phase 1 is faux vocals which means when eorzean symphony happens phase 1 will get real lyrics
open verge
Idk the stories this patch all around were ehhh
turbid helm
I was expecting Fandaniel to show up and ruin our chances at perfecting untempering, but nope.
pine epoch
Omega o12s theme was faux vocals and eorzean symphony gave it vocals.
Then let's see here hades, shinryu, themes were also faux vocals and the symphony gave them real lyrics
mighty light
I liked the MSQ plot
I think the kids' plan to overthrow Garlemald is intensely dumb but also they're kids and it's basically their only option that doesn't involve forcing somebody else to take their place, and otherwise I liked Emerald Weapon's story beats
I didn't like Eden
I loved the Void questline
pine epoch
Role quest sequel
turbid helm
Ohhh
signal solar
oh yeah the voice acting was everywhere
turbid helm
Shit I gotta do that
mighty light
Yes
pine epoch
Need to so complete warring triad and role quest to do it
signal solar
random ups and downs on the volume in voice lines
turbid helm
Yeah lot of people had VA issues.
mighty light
(Disclaimer: I know some people who think it wasn't worth the hassle; they are wrong, but you might also be wrong, so)
signal solar
get hearing aid
signal solar
fair
dim sigil
It's not so much the voices were bad the mic quality for the characters just sounds off
mighty light
Valid
open verge
I think
dim sigil
Cid and Nero sound like new VAs tho
open verge
I tricked my sel
I think I tricked myself into thinking everyone was different
Whatever effect you call that
Mandela or something
signal solar
i mean they play monk, its in their blood
open verge
Delusional
signal solar
iirc zodiac age had them
signal solar
lord help me
mighty light
MNK is my favourite melee. :(
open verge
Monk is fun
mighty light
(If I didn't main BLM I'd probably main MNK)
open verge
Once this job gets cool skills in 6.0 I will gatekeeper players from maiming monk
rain onyx
dim sigil
no seeq
forest magnet
why are we horny posting
rain onyx
open verge
The new dungeon music sounds like yokai watch
signal solar
idk why but the inclusion of a theramin made me not like the new music
it felt out of place
brazen stag
Banjo Kazooie dungeon
dim sigil
its banjo and its great
open verge
Yea
dim sigil
they have a vibe and they went HAM
open verge
dungeon is sick
signal solar
the dungeon was cool
dim sigil
we did get soft locked tho
signal solar
oh?
brazen stag
If anything I'm upset that the cave/matoya theme is hard to pick up in it
serene crest
It's another remix of Matoya's Cave like the Mushroomery was
signal solar
yeah i got that immediately
signal solar
odd
dim sigil
just stayed there
serene crest
That's an acknowledged bug btw
dim sigil
i see
brazen stag
I want the full leitmotif and I want it on a... hmmm..
a xylophone!
dim sigil
we all logged off then on and was fine but just left and did it tommrow (today) cuz it was late
AND
the magma monster has positionals
why
mighty light
Coward
Simply run faster
dim sigil
formatting is also werid
signal solar
must needs
strange wing
G'raha and the WoL are basically married at this point
Which also means G'raha is gonna get Aerith so hard
signal solar
they basically turned graha from 200 y/o elder to uwu yaoi femboy
open verge
There is gonna be a lot of character juggling in 6.0
gaunt star
It’s just to make everyone riot when they kill him off
open verge
So many scions now
strange wing
Gonna be some sick wipeouts
gaunt star
They really need to start taking scions out tbh
signal solar
2 down
worn forge
is it just me or did they intentionally cast Ga Bu as Oliver from Oliver Twist
signal solar
krile had her eureka arc
worn forge
PLEASE SIR, MAY I HAVE SOME MORE
strange wing
Also, I expect for things to get Cata treatment for 6.0. Reboot incoming
signal solar
yshtola is big cat dommy mommy
bold condor
strange wing
7.0 I mean
open verge
the best part of shadowbringers with the scions was that you spent a lot of time with them
The first thing that happens in 5.4 is that they split up and are gonna for the rest of the patch
strange wing
Fanny Dan is refreshingly simple.
gaunt star
Yshtola has an entire section of this arc and was useless for all of it; her teacher and ali did her work for her
signal solar
me want kill world so that everyone including me is dead
signal solar
screw the other ascians, i am milennial and gen z political ideologies personofied
gaunt star
They’re just going to have a big bad using fanny
gaunt star
So while Fanny thinks he’s doing what he wants, obviously he’s used by someone with a plan
dim sigil
no
worn forge
nah DamnDaniel is bitchmade and can’t kill us or Zenos, so he’s gonna help Zenos get to fight us
strange wing
The big stupid one from the PsP game
open verge
No
worn forge
so he can eliminate us once weakened
open verge
There is literally no one that is manipulating fan
signal solar
anyways, rate my bingo
open verge
Fandaniel will probably be like
Hey zenos you want to become zodiark? Lol
strange wing
Welp MSQ over. Time for fishing
gaunt star
It’s ff, there’s always a bigger bad
signal solar
i put living legend there because the pirates said they respected him
bold condor
lmao number of dead Ascians spaces
decreases because Mitron
increases because Mitron
signal solar
yeah ikr
bold condor
Please god let Lahabrea never come back to life.
open verge
Please
bold condor
If we get Phoenix imagery, for the love of god, pay off the fucking thing Louisoix gave Alphinaud in Coils.
strange wing
We never see him onscreen die
bold condor
Give me Alphinaud with Demi-Phoenix pet.
strange wing
He could just be in the void being pissy
bold condor
Just give it to me.
worn forge
we still don’t know what caused the keening in da earths core
open verge
I was so pose
bold condor
we bouta find out since that's the Final Days
open verge
Can you not see the towers?
bold condor
heh
signal solar
if you started in gridania, you get lore on that
open verge
Like do the towers all get blocked?
open verge
I was on the Limsa zone but the fog made it hidden
strange wing
Eden 2: This time its on the source
signal solar
did anyone map out where all the towers are at, or can you only see the one in outer
strange wing
Fight Titan for the 7th time
worn forge
there’s one in the desert near Ifrit’s spot
gaunt star
Fanny is a second rate madman unless he sets the shroud on fire
worn forge
one near Garuda’s
open verge
You can see it?
signal solar
oh yeah
worn forge
yeah one sec
mighty light
If we get Phoenix imagery, for the love of god, pay off the fucking thing Louiso...
Love how Louisoix lets the twins in on the specialness of the books they were given and Alisae immediately ditches hers
plush linden
Saw one in Yanxia in the distance
signal solar
in clear skies
open verge
That’s sickkk
worn forge
they’re definitely near where primals have been formed
signal solar
i will take a look at it tomottow
worn forge
it’s too coincidental
mighty light
Fair
worn forge
Directly east of the Forgotten Springs in the horizon is the Ifrit tower
southern thanalan
bold condor
Louisoix with Phoenix-themed grimoire
open verge
Imma go check em out
signal solar
i will check ruby sea, western la noscea because primals are spawned there
bold condor
please give me phoenix boi
worn forge
specifically that desert tower is behind the Amaljaa encampment too
signal solar
tomorrow tho
dim sigil
Ga bau becomes a scion
signal solar
bedtime rn
open verge
Patch is all about curing tempering just for the post credit scene to say sike
signal solar
also i didnt make the bingo
vital brook
The Forbidden jawbreaker
dim sigil
Do
worn forge
go do it, it reveals something wild
open verge
Which?
dim sigil
neir first
open verge
Ok
dim sigil
got some neat set up for whats next
worn forge
I’ll investigate coerthas central for a possible tower
nothing here, but Garuda’s fight iirc takes place further away from the Ixali camp, so that makes sense that it wouldn’t be here
dim sigil
can you still go to where the duty for her is unlocked
bold condor
yep we got yoko taro'd
worn forge
can you still go to where the duty for her is unlocked
ye I’m at her artheryte shrine thingie and nothings around, clear weather too
worn forge
So Anogg's been dead this whole time huh?
not just her since the dig site chief said he first encountered them together in the caves
if I read that line right
dim sigil
imagine if there was no knogg and we juat played to his delusions
next quarry
I hate 2nd phantom
dim sigil
it dies so fast
worn forge
the 2nd EX phase is gonna bully so many people
prisma vine
emerald storyline is dark as shit
vital brook
Wait what
viscid monolith
First phase is easy
signal solar
b l a c k w o l f
viscid monolith
Second phase kicks ass
bold condor
the music
next quarry
EX is fun and all, I still need to fully understand part 2
bold condor
holy shit
random anvil
phantom doesn't line up with muh bburst
signal solar
emeral weapon shifts color from green to gol
worn forge
for swords, stand at third set, run to first
signal solar
he should be gold weapon
worn forge
thats the strat for every pattern
vital brook
I think Anogg's been dead, and got replaced by an alien
Konogg meanwhile, just a normal dwarf
viscid monolith
Or maybe Annog was never alive in the first place
vital brook
Nah nah, it was a facsimile, so it took the appearance on something
worn forge
the chief does say he found them in that cave years ago
signal solar
maybe they are both androids
viscid monolith
Maybe if they took off their fucking masks once in a while they'd notice one of them isn't aging.
worn forge
but konogg only has the memory of that one moment
it’s a nice warmup for the next raid Aza
worn forge
honestly I have no clue since they already did Factory and Bunker
maybe some warped reality shit like what YokoTaro loves
worn forge
just gimmie Caim’s outfit
next quarry
I was just gonna say
worn forge
and the ERPers can have Kaines
signal solar
car and magician phase
next quarry
If it was drakengard, Caim outfit has to be there
signal solar
tfw the big baby from drakengard pops in for some reason
next quarry
What if each alliance takes a different ending to the alliance raid
wind bough
Yeah the Dig Site Chief saying that he first discovered the twins in the caves
suggests that they're both...
yeah
brisk quail
Yeah. If they're found in the caves
bold condor
hmhmhm
brisk quail
I'm pretty sure they're meant to allude to ||adam and eve from Automata||
bold condor
ye
brisk quail
But that's just my random take
bold condor
god adam but if no one fucken attacked him
just like "lali-ho fellow dwarf who are you?"
brisk quail
||one being thoughtful and careful. One being headstrong and brave||
As soon as the dig chief said that I went "oooooohhhhhh"
strange wing
Oh neat, there is a Fanny Fan 5G tower in Yanxia
forest magnet
Dig chief said they were both found in the tunnels, right? Hence why their parents aren't referenced.
torpid yoke
and not replicant
Arnt they the same timeline?
signal solar
no
one is daddy daughter
the other is brother sister
iirc they end a bit different
torpid yoke
iirc they end a bit different
|| Dont they both sacrifice themselves for yonah? ||
signal solar
idk never played the game
signal solar
youtube
dim sigil
now do unreal
torpid yoke
The only explanation for the two is that they are ko-shi and ro-shi :D
open verge
I’ve done unreal
signal solar
koshi and roshi are like endgame big boys
forest magnet
Master Roshi? Dragonball crossover?
signal solar
supposed to represent 2 different ideologies
open verge
I don’t follow
signal solar
for east asia
and they join and become more than sum of their parts
automata i did play
open verge
open verge
Man
signal solar
or 5
open verge
Can these 24 mans just make sense to people that a never played the games they came from 😭
open verge
First ivalice and now nier
signal solar
bozja too
signal solar
you dont know how big of a name gabranth is
torpid yoke
I mean even when you have played nier you dont understand it
open verge
He’s the main judge in 12 right?
torpid yoke
Yoko taro is just that crazy
signal solar
emil heads in the desert
signal solar
play nier and you will find them
maiden lodge
Ivalice has a pretty complex story but it expands and elaborates on FF14 lore.
Nier's story is perfunctory (in the FF14 context) and is literally just there to act as fanservice.
next quarry
I hope the next raid tier/alliance raid are unique to XIV
brazen stag
Ha. I hope it's FFXI.
signal solar
we had lightning collab in 2.2
maiden lodge
I dunno I keep seeing FF13 stuff everywhere in the game
(model reuse)
I'd not mind seeing more FF4 stuff tbh
severe brook
Lunar Bahamut is something from IV, at least in name
so i wouldn't be surprised if we're getting more IV stuff going forward
severe brook
we kind of just got a lot of ff9 stuff
with Hades in particular
being based on a IX superboss and arguably feeling like a fusion of IX's two main villains
torpid yoke
what other things
severe brook
his final form also resembles the wall of faces from IX
who serve a similar purpose to the reconstructed Amaurot in recounting the history of a long-lost civilization
maiden lodge
Lunar Bahamut is something from IV, at least in name
so i wouldn't be surprised ...
Well, After Years, which....
...not what I meant.
severe brook
i just mean that it could be a sign of more FF4 stuff to come
it's not very direct, that is true
next quarry
Honestly, I think X and IX are gonna get representation in 6.0
Maybe some 4 too with the moon
wispy bolt
Not sure if or where this mentioned somewhere but SE has registered some new trademarks:
next quarry
hm
gaunt star
Isle dragon? Dragon's den?
next quarry
The isle dragon roars is interesting, but doesn't sound like xiv
signal solar
and also forspoken
torpid yoke
NEW DRFAGONS NEST BABY LETS GO
signal solar
might be dragon quest
dim sigil
FF14 TIDR
next quarry
Expansions have all be 2 words mushed into one
signal solar
might just be a slogan for a different game
next quarry
Live a Live is something else iirc
serene crest
Decorative magnets 
torpid yoke
i like worldenders
signal solar
forspoken seems to be the best candidate for the expansion name
flint phoenix
wasn't forspoken confirmed as being Not ffxiv related in an interview
serene crest
Yoshida literally went lol nah
signal solar
yoshida is often deceptive on purpose
iirc he gave the exact same response when asked "are you making ffxvi?"
serene crest
He's careful with his wording but he rarely outright lies
Like the XVI thing. He said everyone kept asking him if he was directing XVI. His answer was no. No one asked if he was producing so he never actually misspoke.
drowsy belfry
Yoshi never outright lies, he wasn't asked "are you making FFXVI" he was asked "Are you directing FFXVI" at which point he said "No, wait for an offical announcement"
dim sigil
I mean I'm pretty sure he legally can't say anything if it's not officially announced
severe brook
Live a Live 
dim sigil
I have that game on my SNES classic and I have yet to play it
drowsy belfry
There was no room for error with Forspoken, not to mention a bunch of twitter accounts popped up. Forspoken is most likely the official name for Project Athia
dim sigil
I feel like that game is going to bomb like The Quiet Man
drowsy belfry
And unless they decided to take an entirely different route for the social media of 6.0, they've NEVER made specific expansion twitter accounts
torpid yoke
theres no point to
severe brook
"The Isle Dragon Roars" Midgardsormr-focused Expansion when
signal solar
midgardsormr needs rest after he yeets omega
gaunt star
Just seen the E12S Real Boss ™️ . Genuinely a big perturbed that wasn't in normal
brazen stag
Anyone else getting some mad Crystal Chronicles vibes from Eden's Promise?
gaunt star
Yeah
brazen stag
I was like "It's Raem time!"
gaunt star
The fusion remind me of FFCC final boss
Like titty artemis is cool and all. But like, E12S is also super fitting and maybe would have made the fight more impactful?
"I will never fade"
brazen stag
Yeah, that line.
gaunt star
Bigger Titan and Skimpier Shiva are cool and all but they were neat as extras. E12 feels like in Omega where the normal modes felt gimped
craggy gale
it's more striking i guess
torpid yoke
8th Timeline Expansion
U mean ff1- ***S H O T ***
dim sigil
we need more 1 stuff yeah
coarse pond
The teleport animation is I believe copy pasta from omega raid
I believe it's kefka's teleport
signal solar
It is
dim sigil
i mean he did gaia
open verge
Can’t have the guest creator boss design stuck behind content no one has done 
rare sinew
Do we know anything about Gaia and Artemis?
Also, Gaia and Artemis as well as Hades are greek god names, yes?
Or roman
I frequently get them confused
serene crest
All ancient related stuff seems to be Greek or Greek inspired.
mighty light
They're Greek, yep
rare sinew
We wont tho. I believe all 10 are out*
mighty light
Don't know if Gaia or Artemis have a different name in Roman mythology but Hades is Pluto.
mighty light
That seems to be the implication
rare sinew
Are the convocations fated to always be reborn?
signal solar
Gaia is terra in roman
mighty light
The way things are written as of now, that seems to be the case for all Ancients.
rare sinew
Middle aged man chasing after a 15 year old was a big oof tho
signal solar
Artemis is diana
mighty light
Artemis isn't that uncommon as a male name.
torpid yoke
Middle aged man chasing after a 15 year old was a big oof tho
Its the soul he is there for
north fulcrum
signal solar
Artemis is the moon goddess, god of the hunt, hates males, all about female empowerment
mighty light
Dude
spare python
It’s worth noting that at no point in 9-12 did they use the line “ farewell, servant of light”
Despite being the last line of the trailer
mighty light
The ancient Greeks were not uhh
Super into the whole 'female empowerment' thing
coarse pond
It’s worth noting that at no point in 9-12 did they use the line “ farewell, ser...
Do job quest
I think it's there
spare python
@coarse pond I forgot they added that. Good catch
rare sinew
I legit thought we'd be fighting shitty combined ascian 2.0 in e12
mighty light
Anyway again it's not that uncommon as a male name
signal solar
Gaia is the titan of the earth, married to the sky god ouranos, had a bunch of titan children, which eventually give birth to the olympians
rare sinew
Glad to be surprised
spare python
That’s tomorrow’s job then
mighty light
And the sundered Ascians have reincarnated
Not hard to believe they might have reincarnated into new bodies/forms
signal solar
Speak with cyella in crystarium
spare python
The ancient Greeks were not uhh
Super into the whole 'female empowerment' thing
Neither are the Japanese so...
mighty light
Oh boy
Moving right along
I just want to point out that the names aren't necessarily that meaningful re: what their actual roles are.
coarse pond
Cliffhanger rewritten
That's my take on that. Good piece of the story but ends on a bloody cliffhanger
gaunt star
I just want to point out that the names aren't necessarily that meaningful re: w...
Yeah otherwise Gaia married her son
signal solar
Only name to fit role and esper so far is emet selch with hades
coarse pond
It's like watching an anime where you wait 3 months till next episode
brazen stag
I'm more interested in how this kind of confirms that after they reincarnate they are not still tempered and if the sundered Ascians we met before were tempered instead of just doing what the bigshot unsundered said then they had to have been brought before Elidibus or exposed to their former memories in their constellation crystals or SOMETHING like that in order to effectively retemper them?
mighty light
We know the uplifting process involves exposing them to their old memories via crystal, yep
bold condor
Worth noting we've known you don't need a primal present to temper if you already have that primal's aether.
mighty light
It might not retemper them.
bold condor
Since like 2.0.
So bear in mind they don't necessarily need Big Z to re-temper somebody.
They just need his aether.
signal solar
Elidibus
signal solar
Emet possessed the crystals
brazen stag
Also Zalera is a scion of "darkness", a pariah, so he corrupted and nasty by the role the occuria had for him. Whereas Emet Selch his counterpart in the "death" element was a scion of "light", a pillar of stability, which kinda sounds like how Hades rules the underworld but is like really good at it and is a nice person deep down.
torpid yoke
That's my take on that. Good piece of the story but ends on a bloody cliffhanger
We always get cliffhangers
mighty light
"is a nice person deep down" 🤔
spare python
Fun fact, if you invuln the tank stack in emerald as GNB at just the right time, the game freaks out and shirks all the damage onto the other tank xD. Happened 3 times in our prog party, funniest thing I ever saw
mighty light
He's not as shit as some of the other Olympians
signal solar
Euricide
mighty light
But none of the Theoi are 'nice'
brazen stag
There's like a million versions of the Olympians from different islands and time periods. Most of them Hades is pretty dang nice.
gaunt star
Hades didn't cheat on his wife
mighty light
Amazing bar to clear
Hades gets the "not as much of an asshole as you could have been" trophy of the year
gaunt star
The bar is so low it's literally in Hades (the place)
signal solar
Time to mathematically predict fandaniels true name
mighty light
(Worth noting that he still kidnapped his wife, and while wife kidnapping wasn't an uncommon ritual in ancient Greece, like, the myth makes it pretty clear that her mother is deeply upset, and that Hades entraps Persephone with pomegranate seeds.)
signal solar
S e as o n s
mighty light
(He is only a nice person compared to the rest of the Olympians.)
(By any other metric, he is terrible.)
gaunt star
He didn't cheat on her though
mighty light
It's true
brazen stag
He takes pity on a lot of people and makes the afterlife a pretty nice place for you unless you were an asshole. Asphodel ain't exactly the Elysian Fields or anything but it's pretty alright.
mighty light
Things Hades has going for him:
1: Not a total monster
2: Not a completely incompetent king
3: Didn't cheat on his wife
4: After being bribed with literally the best musical performance ever given, was willing to give somebody a chance to bring his wife out of hell so long as he fulfilled an arbitrary condition.
(Orpheus was later eaten by cannibals)
brazen stag
Or Satyrs.
mighty light
Cannibal nymphs or Satyrs
severe brook
I mean Maenads and Satyrs both follow Dionysus
torpid yoke
Things Hades has going for him:
1: Not a total monster
2: Not a completely inco...
what was the condition?
mighty light
"Don't look back until you're both out"
He looked back when he was out
She wasn't out yet
severe brook
Orpheus is also usually shown as being torn limb from limb, with his head still singing forever even after his "death"
mighty light
She got yeeted
signal solar
Also in 5.3 every person who spoke here doubted me when I said that every convocation member's true name was a greek god
Look where we are now
gaunt star
Was kind of on orpheus tbf
warm sable
is there a video or gifs with BLUE mage spells?
brazen stag
Because he wanted to die so bad after he failed to get his wife out of the underworld but the world loved his music so much it refused to let him die.
torpid yoke
"Don't look back until you're both out"
i feel like i saw this in a movie or something
brazen stag
Thankfully some pissed off Satyrs were there.
severe brook
Also in 5.3 every person who spoke here doubted me when I said that every convoc...
to be fair, Venat and Hythlodaeus are not Greek gods, so it might not be all of the Convocation
mighty light
Hades has a good reputation
He's widely regarded as the only good Theoi
severe brook
just the important ones apparently
signal solar
Those were not convo
forest magnet
Also in 5.3 every person who spoke here doubted me when I said that every convoc...
Also the devs said that it wasn't necessarily the case
gaunt star
Venat and Hythlo weren't on the convocation
forest magnet
I have to dig up the interview
severe brook
I know they're not convocation members, but it shows that not all Ancients have Greek God names
signal solar
Venat is a different ff12 reference
gaunt star
I know they're not convocation members, but it shows that not all Ancients have ...
Well obviously there's only so much greek gods
severe brook
i am aware of what venat is referencing
brazen stag
Also the greek mythology does make a distinction between the "gods" and their more ancient parents, the titans (which is the category Gaia belongs in)
severe brook
i'm half expecting her faction to turn out to be called the Occuria
brazen stag
Wasn't Venat the traitor of the Occuria though?
torpid yoke
It could be that the recent ones are named after greek gods
severe brook
in 12 yes, she's the traitor of the Occuria
gaunt star
Hades: "Hello Poeseidon #32019"
Poseidon #32019: "What's happening Hades?"
torpid yoke
also mind that hythlodaus was supposed to be emet-selch so if he chose to be he would have had that seat XD
severe brook
^
brazen stag
Heh, is there another Occuria besides 12? I often refer to the "gods" of any Ivalice game as the Occuria but only because of 12.
severe brook
i think it's only 12
severe brook
I want to say it's the size of Bahamut Prime
so likely the size of Bahamut when he was first summoned
keep in mind his size in the Calamity was after multiple millenia of fuel from suffering and solar aether
random anvil
more like Lumpy Bahamut
forest magnet
I'm of the thought that Lunar Bahamut and the other "beasts" that will appear will be like "lightwardens." the bosses and trials of 6.0
severe brook
if that's the case, i'm a little bit disappointed
i was hoping we'd have Garlean Legati as the major threats of 6.0
coarse pond
I hope that they will come up with something about Fandaniel / Zenos
So far they have been the cheap villans
torpid yoke
the dungeon i mean
mighty light
I enjoy them
(I love how salty Alisae is about the fact that Fandaniel is calling it Lunar Bahamut)
coarse pond
Haha destroy the world just because
coarse pond
Ooga booga Bahamut goes brrr
mighty light
🤔
torpid yoke
if that's the case, i'm a little bit disappointed
i was hoping we'd have Garlean...
They can do both
coarse pond
Hope they are
severe brook
They can do both
That's true. I'm hoping that the Beasts aren't all just reduxes of ARR Primals though
brazen stag
I'm so down for more beasts. I do want to point out that if we consider the battle of Cartenau as the allegory for the war of Armageddon then calamity Bahamut is already another "beast", the one that aids Therion by manipulating the armies of man to battle.
severe brook
as we did just have a raid series of ARR Primals Redux
maiden lodge
I fully expect Fandaniel to get fleshed out.
brazen stag
Dalamud tempering is pretty on point.
torpid yoke
That's true. I'm hoping that the Beasts aren't all just reduxes of ARR Primals t...
I think it will be each area's greatest fears
maiden lodge
Backstory is not fleshing out, necessarily.
gaunt star
What if Garlemald is just like all Dark Souls and ruined by the time we advance on it
mighty light
I also want to point out that like
severe brook
Garlemald proper might be devastated
gaunt star
All this goopy Telophoroi shit going on
severe brook
but there is still the rest of Ilsabard
mighty light
Our first introduction to Emet-Selch was basically exclusively him sassing Varis for like five minutes straight
Followed by Varis straight-up shooting him
gaunt star
Zenos on his throne atop a pile of bodies and machines
mighty light
It contained no backstory
gaunt star
Waiting for us
brazen stag
Horny Bahamut as I shall call him is the final beast of the book of ||Fan||Daniel. 11 crooked horns.
maiden lodge
Well, Emet showing up was legitimately dropping lore bombs
severe brook
Fandaniel builds his version of Kefka's Tower for Zenos
maiden lodge
Horny Bahamut as I shall call him is the final beast of the book of ||Fan||Danie...
That's one horn too many and 7 faces too few
forest magnet
Yes but Emet Selch doesn't reveal his cards about his true motivations, where Fandaniel pretty much does in his introduction
torpid yoke
LuBa will be the first doom
maiden lodge
So?
brazen stag
The 11th horn is supposed to sprout and uproot 3 others to reference a final kingdom (Garlemald?) destroying 3 other kingdoms (Eorzea).
mighty light
Fair, but we didn't learn about his motivations (beyond what we already knew about the Ascians) and his actual personality (beyond "tired sassy grandpa") until much later
Let alone his actual background
pulsar current
does he tho? he could have more in the future
mighty light
Judging Fandaniel's characterization at this stage seems kind of
Premature?
forest magnet
He straight up says "I'm not like unsundered i watch joker movie"
maiden lodge
And we don't really know Fandaniel's motivation, just his goal.
torpid yoke
i miss sassy grandpa
pulsar current
im excited to see where he goes next
brazen stag
The other beast had many faces, the horned beast only had 1.
torpid yoke
i kinda wish he was in our head and everytime we falter he sasses us XD
mighty light
Yes but Emet Selch doesn't reveal his cards about his true motivations, where Fa...
I mean, yes he does
gaunt star
Oh yeah can i just say
mighty light
In fact he, or rather the Ascians as a whole, does that long before we even meet him
pulsar current
6.0 moon bois
gaunt star
FF4 BAYBEE
mighty light
Fandaniel has told us what he wants to do, yes--but only in extremely vague terms
gaunt star
VINDICATION AGAIN
mighty light
"I want to recreate the Final Days, kill everyone, and also, kill myself. C:"
Okay bud but what does that actually mean
forest magnet
I mean, yes he does
I meant in 4.4/4.5
mighty light
Yes
gaunt star
Fandaniel has told us what he wants to do, yes--but only in extremely vague term...
Dude wants to fucking die. He's super relatable
pulsar current
ngl outside of SoS ff4 has been pretty lite in this game
maiden lodge
Emet-selch said he wants to rejoin the world, but we didn't know why, we didn't learn his motivation until the Tempest.
torpid yoke
He straight up says "I'm not like unsundered i watch joker movie"
I'm different you see. From the ancients who clung to dear life.... and from you
maiden lodge
ngl outside of SoS ff4 has been pretty lite in this game
Myst Dragon yo
And um
Dark Knight
And um
brazen stag
Paladin?
mighty light
Emet-selch said he wants to rejoin the world, but we didn't know why, we didn't ...
Yep
That's where we are with Fandaniel right now
He has said what he wants to do
He hasn't really explained why he wants to do it, beyond the fact that he feels the same disgust for us as every other Ascian.
maiden lodge
Estinien is a hard expy for Kain
torpid yoke
Zenos and fandaniel are means to an end for each other
maiden lodge
Paladin?
Naw, the Paladin job in English only started in FF4, but in Japan, 'Knight' has been around since FF1
pulsar current
when do we fight the myst dragon im blanking
forest magnet
Burn
mighty light
Burn
maiden lodge
The Burn
mighty light
or, as he's now known, E11 phase transition
gaunt star
Estinien is Kain
Dark Knight
Red Moon that has a Bahamut on it
Lunar Bahamut
Dragoons first two armour sets
Myst Dragon
Scholar AF2 is the one girl from After Years
Monk AF2 is Yang
pulsar current
consider that ff3 5 6 and 8 all have raids tho its a bit less than id expect
mighty light
6 has one tier
next quarry
FF9 has a fight
maiden lodge
And 'FF8 raid' is tenuous
next quarry
Or two..
forest magnet
it uses music from it :p
next quarry
Or three.
maiden lodge
FF9 has a bit more than a couple fights.
pulsar current
is there even any ff4 music rolls?
maiden lodge
But FF9... a 'this is a game of FF references' is hard to do in another game of ff references
next quarry
True
gaunt star
6 has one tier
Kefka Normal deserves to be purged from this game
next quarry
Unless they decided "fuck it kuja is here"
gaunt star
Literally one of the most boring fights in the game
maiden lodge
I mean does 'Alexander is a fortress' count?
next quarry
Alexander was amazing
maiden lodge
Alexander's story was... eh.
forest magnet
no raid story can top Coils
severe brook
Elidibus' "Party" in Seat of Sacrifice is also a IV reference
pulsar current
i loved the time travel but yeah its so hit or miss with it
maiden lodge
Creator was good but the rest of the raid series was irrelevant.
pulsar current
i loved the design tho
maiden lodge
Elidibus' "Party" in Seat of Sacrifice is also a IV reference
Not really.
The twins were.
That's it.
pulsar current
what about the ranger that casts holy?
maiden lodge
DRK, DRG, Summoner, Ninja
Not really, no
severe brook
Having a Ninja that creates a Flood of water is pretty clearly a reference to Edge
pulsar current
warrior is also a lite Cid
severe brook
the Dark Knight is pretty clearly meant to be Cecil, even has his helm from when he was a dark knight
forest magnet
ff4 gave them their identities though
maiden lodge
DRK in FF14 is made based on cecil sooooo
next quarry
True, more fleshed out
maiden lodge
And DRG based on Kain
severe brook
it's not just having the jobs, it's having the jobs act in specific ways
maiden lodge
DRG didn't do anything Kain did
next quarry
We need drg AF based on FF3 dragoon
severe brook
the Dragoon's not in Seat of Sacrifice proper though
pulsar current
what about ff2 dragoon tho no one remembers him
gaunt star
Yeah the only FF4 SoS references are the twincasts and DRK
maiden lodge
Eldragon Dive says what
severe brook
again, having the Ninja create a flood of water, something Ninjas don't normally do but that Edge could, seems pretty specific
next quarry
gaunt star
what about ff2 dragoon tho no one remembers him
SB Af gear is kinda based on Richard
severe brook
i don't think he manifests a Dragoon for Elddragon Dive, did he?
i thought he just did it
forest magnet
ngl I dislike how they made gear based off of FFT. FFT has the most hideous gear in any FF period.
maiden lodge
again, having the Ninja create a flood of water, something Ninjas don't normally...
Suiton's been in FF4, FF5, FF6, FF11, and FF14, what
brazen stag
Calcabrina is IV right?
gaunt star
Ye
severe brook
was referring to XIV Ninjas, was referring to it being a full-on leviathan style Tidal Wave flood
maiden lodge
Yeah that's not a FF4 thing
maiden lodge
Suiton was in FF5 and FF6 as scrolls they throw
(also the ninja's using the AF1, which is a Shadow reference if anything)
severe brook
i am feeling very disgruntled
mighty light
Relatable
pulsar current
i mean by that logic WoL could be an ff1 and ff4 reference
forest magnet
Also Gilgamesh is the biggest FF4 reference in the game
gaunt star
Ah yes gilgamesh
maiden lodge
Also Gilgamesh is the biggest FF4 reference in the game
....okay you need to explain this.
gaunt star
The ff5 character
next quarry
shy flax
Sna domehow
brazen stag
I don't remember him being prior to V except in remakes. But I admit I don't replay the classics often.
forest magnet
oops my bad
maiden lodge
Yeah he was introduced in 5
shy flax
Greg is from V
forest magnet
i keep thinking he's in 4 for some reason
shy flax
with cameos in... a lot of things
brazen stag
He's definitely my most vivid memory of V.
pulsar current
i just like that no matter how different he is it's cannon that he's the same person in every game
shy flax
BAAAAAARTZ
maiden lodge
Also boo to FF15 and FF0T for trying to make him serious
shy flax
I'VE WAITED 100 YEARS FOR THIS DAY
maiden lodge
Like god damn it how can one get a character so wrong
next quarry
FF9 and XV Greg is different iirc
gaunt star
i just like that no matter how different he is it's cannon that he's the same pe...
Except in FF15, Type 0, FF11
forest magnet
ff15 gilgamesh is just ???
maiden lodge
Like, imagine if they brought Ultros into a game
Except instead he was a brooding serious kraken and he will end you
gaunt star
FF15 Gilgamesh atleast looks cool and the rendition of Battle on the Big Bridge is cool
mighty light
What if the next time Gilgamesh appears in another game he's still brainwashed and has Hildebrand with him
shy flax
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLngEeAMbLY just gonna drop this here for gilgamesh memes
brazen stag
I will take to my grave that the "serious" Gilgameshes and ones with "established backstories" like XIII are still some sort of 4th wall breaking Gilgamesh prime who was just "written in" to the situation.
maiden lodge
I dunno I see them as a joke taken way too seriously in those games
brazen stag
I... also do but that's the point?
maiden lodge
Except it's not self-aware.
maiden lodge
It's not Greg taking himself too seriously
It's the writers doing so, and that's... not... what he's about
FF14 gets it.
pulsar current
who else is sad that greg didn't just go to the first for more hildabrand quests
maybe they wanted to keep it more serious there idk
maiden lodge
I am sad but I understand their reasoning and accept it
brazen stag
He shoulda come out of a rift portal with cardboard arms taped to his back to slice Eli in half.
mighty light
They've said they didn't want to wear the joke out
maiden lodge
They didn't have an idea they thought would knock it out of the park
pulsar current
oh really? yeah stormblood quests were kinda eh compared to the other ones
brazen stag
Also Curious Gorge is there for some reason.
pulsar current
a good show of restraint then.
mighty light
ARR was peak Hildebrand
gaunt star
Dude dying mid jump as he sees his deceased wife
mighty light
HW was still very good though
gaunt star
Ultimate End recreated with 3 old people
forest magnet
SB Hildy was ass.
maiden lodge
SB hindy had FF6 reference though which is fine
gaunt star
He isnt here
pulsar current
i miss cyr the most
forest magnet
SB Hildy tried to be too serious with the whole wolf burgular shit
mighty light
I mean...
maiden lodge
SB Hildy tried to be too serious with the whole wolf burgular shit
Naw, the Wolf Burgler was a FF6 reference.
mighty light
HW and ARR Hilde had pretty serious plots?
maiden lodge
Even acted out a scene from FF6
mighty light
If anything I'd argue the problem w/ StB was that its emotional core wasn't strong enough
forest magnet
what was the emotional core in ARR
mighty light
Sil'dih
brazen stag
Get cheese for a banquet.
maiden lodge
The reporter, the manderville family, brierdien, there was a lot going on there to play straightman to the hijinks
gaunt star
And Gigi's story in HW was super heartwarming
mighty light
The hijinks were still the focus but there was a point to the story and it kept it grounded, vs. the utter madness of the Mandervilles
Yeah
forest magnet
Yes I know that's why I didn't bring up HW for emotionalness becuase gigi
maiden lodge
And that's the thing, Hildy quests work best when they're filled with people just being swept along the stupidity
mighty light
Yeah
forest magnet
I didn't like the samurai guy
mighty light
The Samurai was literally just the Inquisitor again
maiden lodge
Like we need to see normal people suffer along
mighty light
They were virtually the same person
pulsar current
imo SB quests were boring bc it was just nasha and hildi being silly and everyone else being normal
there needs to be a good mix
maiden lodge
Well teh thing is, being normal is what makes the comedy work
You need characters that are normal but just go with it
forest magnet
SB quests weren't funny, either.
maiden lodge
(like the girl Godbert fixed the vase for)
forest magnet
for said reasons
mighty light
Yeah but you also need to have believable interactions between the normality and the silliness; they need to integrate well
maiden lodge
And you need characters that are normal but fucking confused why the other normal characters go along with it
pulsar current
yeah, when it was just cyr it worked great
mighty light
In StB the normality sorta just
Didn't really matter?
brazen stag
Kupo.
maiden lodge
Yeah
mighty light
The characters existed purely to react to the hijinks
maiden lodge
Cause, even the 'normal' characters were kinda acting silly
Like the wolf bandit etc
And it just fell flat
gaunt star
Also small nitpick
maiden lodge
It also felt too fanservice
gaunt star
During the SB trial for Hildi
I hated how quickly they switched over to Greg
Like its 5% and then bam Gilgamesh
maiden lodge
Well we'd already had a full Yojimbo fight by then
pulsar current
yeah but we already have a yojimbo fight
forest magnet
reusing gilgamesh instead of making yojimbo his own thing was an egregious mistake
gaunt star
True but it would be funny as a door boss
maiden lodge
They DID make Yojimbo his own thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjzMliUgPi8 (also making the guy a villain in the allied quests was good too)
brazen stag
I have never even paused to think about how Gilamesh and Yojimbo both have a pretty strong kabuki theme going on. The hell is wrong with me?
unreal wadi
pulsar current
yeah the chinese type 11
mighty light
I need to grind out the cryptlurker's stuff