retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[severe brook]

too much light in the first resonated with ardbert's blade of light and desire to destroy darkness/evil
thus it resonated with Mitron's body and warped it into the thing we call Eden

[bold condor]

They'd been preparing the First for Light-aligned Rejoining and by vanquishing him with the Blade of Light, it caused the mortal body he was inhabiting to undergo the transformation.

[nocturne void]

Can someone turn me into a gil primal?

[viscid monolith]

So if they trapped him in a white auracite he wouldn't have turned?

[maiden lodge]

If they -destroyed- him effectively he wouldn't have turned

[bold condor]

If they divested him of flesh, he probably wouldn't have, correct.

[viscid monolith]

I see

[warm trench]

At least now Ryne and Gaia can live happily ever after

[viscid monolith]

So they were bad at their jobs

Shoulda kicked his ass out of the body first like we did

[nocturne void]

coffee biscuits forever

[severe brook]

I mean less bad and more they created an unforeseen consequence

it's not like they'd actually fought the Ascians before

[maiden lodge]

Consider this. The same might have happened had Emet-selch not willingly died of the yeet of light.

[viscid monolith]

I'm joking. They didn't know. They couldn't have known.

[gaunt star]

Ryne and Gaia Yuri?

[viscid monolith]

Nah see because the light was already used up

[severe brook]

i think it was less Mitron refusing to die and more Loghrif taking the brunt of the attack in their Ascian Prime form

[maiden lodge]

No I mean I'm implying Emet-selch took it and his death is as much a surrender as our victory.

[viscid monolith]

We burned out the lightwarden light breaking free ofbl the chains and fending off Hades' final attack.

[gaunt star]

Which speaks volumes to his stronk

[maiden lodge]

Hades points out that it is not the lightwarden's light. It's the blessing of light there.

[warm trench]

Now they can eat coffee biscuits and buy jewlery and other adorable stuff to give us all diabetes

[viscid monolith]

He says it's both

[bold condor]

Keep in mind Emet wasn't in his body when we yeeted at him.

[gaunt star]

https://tenor.com/view/emet-gif-18085817

[maiden lodge]

No, he says 'No... damn you and your wreched blessing'

[viscid monolith]

Our blessing is what allows us to hold so much light in the first place

[bold condor]

"I am stifled by this vessel of flesh!" and all that.

[pastel coyote]

and we did use white auracite to an extend

[warm trench]

We shanked him with it

[maiden lodge]

He postulates it's the lightwarden light, then he corrects himself.

[viscid monolith]

It held him in place. He was too big to fit in the small one

Wait so where did all the ligh go then?

[maiden lodge]

It didn't.

[gaunt star]

The nuke

[viscid monolith]

CAN WE PLEASE HAVE THIS SLOW MODE TAKEN OFF

[maiden lodge]

Naw, it didn't go anywhere. Our soul was fixed.

[gaunt star]

^^^

[gentle heron]

I appreciate that they actually managed to make a fusion of Innocence, Ran'jit and Thancred look both cool and semi-natural for E11

[viscid monolith]

So our soul still has all of that light?

[gaunt star]

No

[viscid monolith]

Sorry Dis I don't believe it

[maiden lodge]

We successfully contained it, yes, without being corrupted by it. That's what fusing with Ardbert did

[gaunt star]

Hmm I assumed most went into the nuke

[viscid monolith]

Yshtola commented after and said the light wan't there anymore

[severe brook]

If I recall he says
"Has the warden's light broke free? No...Damn you! Damn your wretched Blessing!"
Which could be just the Blessing, but I took it and the dialogue after the fight that we were able to hold on longer by fusing with ardbert and then unleashed that gathered light/neutralized it with hades' darkness as we killed him.

[gaunt star]

still sad that there not post quest after the raid is done

[maiden lodge]

It's more likely that Hades dark neutralized it, yeah

[gaunt star]

Just checked a vid and that's what he says yeah

It went i to the Big Bonk

[viscid monolith]

That "No" could just be him saying "No this can't be happening"

[gaunt star]

like wtf you just stop there where the festive

[maiden lodge]

But, I'll point out, yeeting five lightwardens worth of light into an ascian doesn't reduce the chances of a sin eater corruption.

[severe brook]

Hades also likely was much denser in darkness/amount of aether compared to Mitron
so he'd be balancing it more instead of being overwhelmed by it

[gaunt star]

I took it to mean we use that for the big yeet, you can def read that "No!" as an expression of dismay yea

[viscid monolith]

Ya true

They definitely ended this in an unexpected way

They went the high road and didn't make it just Ultimecia

[bold condor]

Instead we got Artemis-Gaia.

[gaunt star]

well ....

[red talon]

Any sight of Lahabrea yet? he does appear in the patch artwork after all

[bold condor]

Instead of Artemesia, we got Artemis-Gaia.

[severe brook]

Ultimecia = Artemisia

[viscid monolith]

That might not be Lahabrea I guess?

[warm trench]

They probably only mention him to shit on him 😂 none of the Ascians respect him

[severe brook]

maybe it's meant to be Loghrif?
it vaguely looks like the half of the mask meant to be her in the Ascian Prime

[viscid monolith]

It clearly is Lahabrea's mask though

[gaunt star]

Hes hard to respect. He was a literal Disney villian

[viscid monolith]

Maybe they outsourced the art

[severe brook]

maybe he'll show up in Delubrum to mess with us all

[bold condor]

The patch artwork is made up of memories that are seen when crossing the rift in Shadowbringers. But it's possible it's meant to be Mitron and no one gave them the design for Mitron's mask so they used the similar, Lahabrea one.

[severe brook]

turns out he put Save the Queen in Allag as part of a long con

[maiden lodge]

Maybe they didn't want to stick a spoiler in the teaser art.

[gaunt star]

No he ded

[warm trench]

I've seen better disney villains to be fair

Frollo and Dr Fucilier

[red talon]

Nah, the mask in the art is definitely Lahabreas

[gaunt star]

New Laha?

[red talon]

Maybe it'ss be in 5.41

[severe brook]

i mean just having an Ascian Mask in the teaser art is a spoiler, considering

[bold condor]

My main question right now, however, is

WHY THE FUCK THE ELEMENT CHART FLIPPED BACKWARDS

[maiden lodge]

There's 'spoilers' and spoilers.

[viscid monolith]

I get not sticking spoilers but outright misleading is a dick move. Just don't put any Ascian on the art then?

[maiden lodge]

'Ascians are involved in Eden' is hardly a spoiler.

'Gaia is the reincarnation of one' is.

[gaunt star]

b8 b8

[warm trench]

At least our two nieces got a happy ending and that's what matters

[viscid monolith]

Or put the silhouette of an Ascian on the art.

[severe brook]

we'll go to the IVth Shard and find out not only is Eorzean Aetherology Backwards, but Sideways

[pine epoch]

x3

Blitz wtf did you make me do you made me laugh from saying that, and cause my nose to start bleeding

[gaunt star]

Put that thang down flip it and reverse it?

[severe brook]

My psychic influence spreads

[warm trench]

Big bad is Missy Elliot

[lunar hound]

Even though Gaia and Ryne now get to live happily ever after as besties, Gaia was amenable to hooking up with Artemis again after he's been reincarnated, right? Seemed kind of a very high road to take tbh

[forest magnet]

Gaia dumps ryne for infant Mitron

[bold condor]

gross, go to jail

[warm trench]

FFXIV goes full NTR

[gaunt star]

[bold condor]

https://tenor.com/view/jail-right-to-jail-right-away-parks-and-recreation-parks-and-rec-gif-16177531

[gaunt star]

bonke

[severe brook]

I think the idea was she was saying that in their future lives, their souls would be able to find each other again

[pine epoch]

Something like that

[gaunt star]

Most likely. We found emet after all

[lunar hound]

also the question of whether Gaia retains any Ascian powers remains unresolved, right?

[severe brook]

yeah he's the shoebill

[bold condor]

They both end up reincarnating as large Highlander men.

[pine epoch]

Either that or Gaia awakening to her ascian powers now makes her immortal

[warm trench]

We need a trust Gaia that way we can have both of em in a duty

[bold condor]

They find solace in one another's muscular arms.

[gaunt star]

[severe brook]

I think they're implying she might have some but they're much weaker now since she's not going full Ascian

[bold condor]

Ryne is also reincarnated as a large Galdjent, they're poly.

[warm trench]

Although idk what class Trust Gaia would take

[gaunt star]

Shed have her own

[lunar hound]

perfect time to introduce a new hammer-wielding job!

[gaunt star]

Hmm what class did noctis have?

[warm trench]

She does cast slow in the shiva fight

I guess you could say

Stop. Hammer Time

[severe brook]

woudln't they be Galdjent, since they're native to the First
(i was typing this before you changed it rom)
(wait how did i misread highlander as roegadyn)

[random ravine]

@lunar hound Huscarl

[gaunt star]

Popoto Y u r i?

[random ravine]

Hammer wielding retainers of old Frankish and Anglo Saxon kings

We could have them in FFXIV

[gaunt star]

Shed have the same class as godbert, except darkness

[subtle pasture]

Loghrif and Gaia didn't merge as Ryne and Minfilia had, re: what powers she may or may not still have, from my understanding Loghrif basically accepts dormancy and let her successor (Gaia) have their own life

[severe brook]

Dark Goldsmith

[warm trench]

So when do we fight Ryne+Gaia fused together

[gaunt star]

Unga Bunga Crafter LB

[pine epoch]

Thats not really it. Loghrif was killed by ardbert and her soul went to the life stream to be reincarnated

[bold condor]

^

[severe brook]

i mean i kind of saw it that Loghrif's basically gone
it's not really a Minfilia/Ryne situation, so much as an Azem/Us one

[pine epoch]

while Mitron body and soul was trapped and became eden

[bold condor]

Correct, Blitz.

[subtle pasture]

Ah, true, Ryne had a +1 while Gaia is, simply, Gaia

[severe brook]

Eden's Promise.mp4
https://tenor.com/view/cardi-b-gif-13336853

[subtle pasture]

just to compare Oracle-ness

[prime marten]

wth is this neck

[drowsy belfry]

Manqo'te neck

[nocturne void]

https://tenor.com/view/giant-woman-opal-steven-universe-gif-15780069

[drowsy belfry]

It's always been a bug, you should see the DRK cpose on Maleqo'e

[nocturne void]

E12N

[pine epoch]

have you ever seen SFM TF2 animations. Longer ones neck is the more powerful they are

[subtle pasture]

If Loghrif and Mitron aren't First natives, theen would their shards merge with the native Gaia and Artemis or become two shards on one shard

[prime marten]

lol i see

[bold condor]

n e c c

[drowsy belfry]

Mh actually that's a good question, were Loghrif and Mitron their Source counterparts or?

[bold condor]

I mean

No?

Unless you fulfill the conditions for a rejoining, their souls shouldn't merge, I don't think?

It's not like Ardbert automatically slooshed into us.

[drowsy belfry]

I always thought that Emet would probably try and only return the memories of the Most-Rejoined shard, only opting to grab a shard if they really needed to

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, 'm just thinking how Loghrif and Mitron are now sorta... in the First's lifestream, to be reincarnated as Vrandtics,

[bold condor]

I mean, they're not.

Gaia is not Lohgrif. And Mitron won't be Mitron.

[maiden lodge]

We know that is not true. The fact the other ten ascians are not of the Source is a plot point. It's why Nabriales has limited agency in the places protected by the blessing of light.

[subtle pasture]

Well, Mitron rather, and Loghrif had over the intervening century

[drowsy belfry]

a

[bold condor]

hello there little lala fella

[severe brook]

I kind of go with the idea that the Sundered Ascians were raised up from the Shards they're most active on initially,
so Igeyorhm was a Thirteenth native, while these Mitron and Loghrif were First natives

[pine epoch]

Depressing thought, unless Emets soul can return to the source life stream. Emets soul will never reunite with the soul of Azem

[viscid monolith]

Were the Mitron and Loghrif Ascians from the First?

[bold condor]

Not that depressing, Xel.

[subtle pasture]

Dunno, really.

[pine epoch]

its not really

[bold condor]

Emet's soul will go on to have its own friends.

[viscid monolith]

Why would they unite in the first place?

[bold condor]

No, not literally reunite. Like, meet again.

[pine epoch]

idk fate mumbo jumbo shit

[viscid monolith]

I know what they mean

[drowsy belfry]

[severe brook]

but i don't think we have any confirmation of if that's the case, of Ascians being from the Shard they're assigned to
also i'm pretty sure that, if Emet returns to the lifestream cycle at all, he'd probably be split up into seven pieces, right?

[maiden lodge]

Emet's soul will likely be sundered, yes

[viscid monolith]

But the odds of their reincarnations ever meeting is miniscule

[pine epoch]

doesn't matter really

[bold condor]

Here's a thought. The other Warriors of Light of the First reincarnate and become friends of Elidibus and Emet-Selch's reincarnations.

[warm trench]

Can't wait to tell Thancred we kicked part of his ass

[viscid monolith]

And btw

[bold condor]

There. Happy ending. Everyone gets to be friends.

[nocturne void]

We kicked the memory of his ass

[severe brook]

see before I thought they'd assign the Ascian to their home shard because they'd know the area/history well from having lived it
but now we know that the uplifting process removes the OG person's memories so that's not the case

[drowsy belfry]

I mean I do really really like the idea that Emet-Selch and the WoL get to be friends again in another life

[warm trench]

Now we gotta kick part of the other Scion's asses

[nocturne void]

TIme to kick Savage Tataru's ass

[subtle pasture]

Like the only sundered with explicit "from X" is Nabriables from the 12th, and Igeyorhm was from the 13th iirc

[severe brook]

i forgot them saying Nabriales was from the 12th

[subtle pasture]

well, that nab shard, that ige shard, etc, etc

[viscid monolith]

We know all of the lifestreams are separate. So whoever Emet Selch and Lahabrea and Elidbus reincarnate as, why wouldn't they still have a complete soul?

[warm trench]

Alphy we can just toss into a pool or something right ?

[severe brook]

i would imagine that them dying would pull their soul/what's left of it into the sundered reincarnation cycle

[viscid monolith]

Why though

[subtle pasture]

Due to the nature of a Blade of Light, I suppose.

[serene crest]

Thancred’s the only scion ass we’ve kicked multiple times

[warm trench]

Damn, single dad and gets his ass kicked

Can't catch a break

[subtle pasture]

...Which reminds me, we've discovered another outcome to an Ascian soul being struck with a Blade of Light

It's what created Eden

[maiden lodge]

Wouldn't that be a giggle. Emet escapes sundering by letting himself just die

[drowsy belfry]

Which is really fucked up

[subtle pasture]

Or was that due to a Blade of Light being used on the Light-inclined First

[viscid monolith]

So those are gonna be 3 very powerful babies

[drowsy belfry]

Also i don't think we knew that the 13th being a pure void had an effect on other shards and their elemental balance before no?

[subtle pasture]

ALSO, we learn that the shards' leaning one way or the other was a ripple effect from the fall of the 13th,

[viscid monolith]

And the game hasn't brought this up

[subtle pasture]

--yeah same Hedge, I'm not sure

[drowsy belfry]

Because the First flooding that "easily" as opposed to the Source suddenly makes alot more sense

[subtle pasture]

Also the ring theory vs source-centric, it's not by relativity to the Source, it's how the 13th impacted then

[vivid aurora]

hey

out of curiousiy after 5.4 reveal of lunar bahamut has tiamat's dialogue changed

[bold condor]

you can't speak to Tiamat.

[vivid aurora]

oh for some reason i thought you could.

[maiden lodge]

not with that attitude!

[bold condor]

she's too shy

[warm trench]

Another bahamut

"How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man?"

[bold condor]

she just stays at home in her room eating unhealthy snacks and watching anime

[drowsy belfry]

Tho Tiamat probably did notice that Bahamut's aether got fucked again

Atleast I like to think so

[subtle pasture]

So what's the consensus on the Towers, drawing aether to make his beasts for the Final Days replica?

[vivid aurora]

im curious if hrasvalger will pop up/the other dragons

[maiden lodge]

The opposite, pulsing corrupting aether.

[subtle pasture]

"These ingenious devices-- or "towers" as you call them" like well what do YOU call them then Fan

[nocturne void]

Quick, bring back Nael van darnus again

[bold condor]

"I call them WORLDENDERS."

[nocturne void]

And we can have a world party

[bold condor]

"That is pronounced WORL-DENDERS, just to annoy you."

[drowsy belfry]

And that's the 6.0 Expansion name

[nocturne void]

Wor-lad-enners

[subtle pasture]

Whorl-Denders

[drowsy belfry]

FINAL FANTASY XIV - Whorl-Denders

[bold condor]

fuck that... that does actually feel like a name for it

Final Fantasy XIV: Worldenders

[subtle pasture]

Wo-rlden-ders

[warm trench]

Bahamut: "Naeeeeeeel! Naeeeeeeel! I saw a bird, it was pretty. Kick its ass."

[pine epoch]

Alright lets see if Square Enix will roast me this time with a trademark have not check them in awhile. lets pull up a trademark

[bold condor]

Merldenders.

[subtle pasture]

What is Fan's gang again, needa memorize the spelling still

[bold condor]

Telophoroi.

[warm trench]

Didn't a whole server try and fight Odin once and got wiped ?

[bold condor]

I remember because it reminds me of telophone.

[warm trench]

Imagine a big ass server fight

[bold condor]

Like Telophone-Roy.

[drowsy belfry]

Oh yeah that reminds me, are Telophoroi a reference to something? Or XIV specific?

[subtle pasture]

Yeah I had "Telephone I's" written down in a napkin in the corner of my brain

[bold condor]

It means Endbringers or something idk i'm not greek

[drowsy belfry]

Cause I was reading the dialogue right "Am I supposed to knooooow?"

Oooh, how very apocalyptic

[subtle pasture]

Uplander Endmakes have struck again

[pine epoch]

first thing I see. Squares making something for nintendo Labo

[bold condor]

Final Fantasy XIV: Goobiedoom

[drowsy belfry]

Alexander expansion LEGGO

[gaunt star]

I pronounce telephone like persephone

[bold condor]

good. good.

[pine epoch]

Welp nothing we are safe from people latching onto a Trademark with a white background and black letters for another week

[subtle pasture]

Bahzya

[bold condor]

Bazhya

[severe brook]

boohah

[bold condor]

Louisoix can't pronounce Bozja. I'm fucking dying.

BOZ-JAW

[subtle pasture]

he's probably also why we swapped Dalmasca and Nhalmasque back then

[nocturne void]

Booah

[maiden lodge]

Endbringers, Endbearers, Harbingers.

Endborn?

[nocturne void]

BYA

[bold condor]

Endermen.

Notlifehavers

[maiden lodge]

Deaddoers

[bold condor]

Deadinsiders

[severe brook]

Killing-You Guys

[drowsy belfry]

Final Fantasy XIV - Endbringers, FFXIV - EB

[pastel coyote]

World ender ? More like world order https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mkiGMtbrPM

[maiden lodge]

'Den-you-mentors'

[bold condor]

stoplivingers

[subtle pasture]

I'm more mad curious about who the hell he's working with, who are the other Telophoroi

[drowsy belfry]

yamatekudastopers

[maiden lodge]

daisypushers

[bold condor]

My hope? More Ascians, specifically from Rejoined reflections.

[maiden lodge]

And Trachtoum

[bold condor]

Trachtoum was an Ascian all allong.

[maiden lodge]

'That's right I'm the leader of the Telephoneys'

[pine epoch]

Idk why but yall made me remember a song from this conversation. Comfort eagle - cake

[bold condor]

He's Deudalaphon.

[nocturne void]

Tommy Tutone is a memeber of the telephonoi

[bold condor]

His real name is Priapus. Everything he told us in ARR was a lie.

[maiden lodge]

'Yeah I'm Dude Alphonse, I'm that Alphonse Dude'

[nocturne void]

priaprism?

[maiden lodge]

What a dick!

[vale flower]

booo i made that joke first :p

[bold condor]

Priaprism sounds like a description of a rainbow dildo.

[nocturne void]

I acknowledge your very good joke

[warm trench]

Instead of Ascians, we need Super Ascians

"You see Warrior of Light

You aren't dealing with the average Ascian anymore, I have risen above and into the realm of legend, the legend that you fear"

[vale flower]

bad dragon's newest product

[pine epoch]

Fandaniel: "we are building a religion!"

[bold condor]

lawd we finna get bonked

[nocturne void]

The last ascian dies "WE WERE HOLDING THEM BACK"

[maiden lodge]

Priaprism is the name of my Cameo-but-also-Village People cover band

[serene crest]

Alexander Lego set? I’m down for that.

[vale flower]

says the person bringing up dildos!

[bold condor]

ye

[vale flower]

bonk thyself

[maiden lodge]

No that'll make'er more powerful

[bold condor]

https://tenor.com/view/horny-jail-gif-19130834

[vale flower]

good 😤

[warm trench]

At some point all this degeneracy is gonna create a horny primal

[vale flower]

thats just wol summoning cloud of darkness

[bold condor]

She comes.

[pastel coyote]

do you think we didn't see that rommy ?

[dim sigil]

Imagine cloud of Darkness but sexy

[pine epoch]

My youtube recommended section is nothing but that one persons animations that you posted

[bold condor]

I like how her archnemsis is just

[warm trench]

"Quick WoL, just imagine her in her underwear"

"Oh no she's hot!"

[bold condor]

Child. And he doesn't even register her sex appeal.

[maiden lodge]

Look I won't have you sexualize Eden's Cloud of Darkness.

[bold condor]

"Ah yes old lady, carry on."

[maiden lodge]

She's wearing MORE clothes than the original. The WoL made her put someething ON.

[bold condor]

CoD: "I am more ancient than the first light. I am the primordial hunger in the stars."

Onion Knight: nods and continues eating his dinner

[nocturne void]

You belong in Limsa, you thot, put on some clothes, and then I'll fight you.

[warm trench]

thats why you get fucked if you don't turn around when Shiva-Ryne changes clothes lol

[pastel coyote]

[dim sigil]

That eye marker is still too damn High

I know the timing and learned it by now but it's why is it so high up

[warm trench]

"Ryne I swear I wasn't trying to peep I just didn't see the marker you gotta believe me, DO NOT TELLTHANCRED ABOUT THIS"

[vale flower]

"my marker is up there :)"

[dim sigil]

also she constantly refers to my character's name throughout the fight for some reason

Why am I respondent

[warm trench]

"Unless Thancred is watching us fight in which case.... It isn't what it looks like bro"

[rugged basin]

Huh, not sure why so many people had problems with E11. I figured out the mechanics pretty quick.

[dim sigil]

e11 is a lil more complicated than 10 but I actually know what's going on it's so much better

10 it's like you're dying and you have no idea what's happening, 11 i know exactly what i messed up

[bold condor]

E11 is the revenge for peeking in E8.

Both of Ryne's dads have come back just to kick your ass. Also I like how Hopebreaker is this game's version of Griever.

They kept the thematic importance but made it SO much better.

[viscid monolith]

And people thought the dog was Griever because it was a giant animal

[maiden lodge]

Which is backed up by using the theme for when Shockwave Pulsar is cast

and the subsequant junction with Griever

[bold condor]

They did what.

[serene crest]

I’ll admit that it took me and my group longer than it should have to differentiate what fire and lightning did in 11 😅

[bold condor]

Oh you mean the music.

[maiden lodge]

The theme for that fight is from the...y eah

[urban turret]

i love how vaguely unhinged the WoL is this patch

very in character

[pastel coyote]

you have no common sense ?

[rugged basin]

E12 is... a trip

[maiden lodge]

I dunno about unhinged, I just think the WoL is a bit of a troll sometimes.

[rugged basin]

Especially in ShB

[hallow aspen]

Has anyone ripped the E12S cover of The Extreme yet?

[coarse pond]

Agreed, some of those dialogue options remind me of Sarcasm dialogue im fallout 4

[dim sigil]

um kupo?

[autumn heron]

oh man if Im right and Gaius is the secondary MC of the xpac that would mean the weapon storyline would be required too

[prisma vine]

did world first race end yet? hadn't seen

[odd yoke]

Not yet

Tps are apparently 0.8% according to clees tweet

[pastel coyote]

well if it wasn't for castrum lacus litore i think both weapon and bozja will be msq for 6.0 given the speech of merlwyb

[odd yoke]

https://twitter.com/cleeeees/status/1336761598002655233?s=21

clees (@cleeeees)

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Twitter · Dec 9, 2020, 7:56 PM

[dim sigil]

It's not but I like to think the new dungeon is settings a kind of themr we're going to have for 6.0

[urban turret]

You know I’m curious. What did people think about Werlyt and MSQ this patch because I’ve heard a good bit of mixed opinions

[autumn heron]

Well MSQ wise, it the X.4 patch for this xpac

nothing much ever really happens on the .4 patch since the main plot of the Xpac is done and now hey have to set everything up for the next one

from what Ive seen the people with more mixed opinions about it are people who started in ShB and dont know how these patch cycles work already

[maiden lodge]

I'd hesitate to say 'nothing much happens' in x.4

[serene crest]

The first of the callings were a pretty big shock back in 4.4

[maiden lodge]

A lot of long-standing problems and conflicts have been addressed and advanced.

[autumn heron]

Oh no I mean a lot happens, but so far its pretty much all set up until towards the end of 5.55

I think people were expecting a lot more of fandaniel and the towers cause thats what they mainly showed in the trailer MSQ wise

[maiden lodge]

Fair

[dull atlas]

Im just eager to fight Devola and Popola on new nier rad

excuse me..... Konogg and Anogg 😄

[urban turret]

I just have heard people not liking Graha this patch and just not liking much of Werlyt

[bold condor]

Just think in 6 months we'll probably be looking at the beginning of the end for the Hydaelyn and Zodiark arc on the whole.

[rugged basin]

Okay, some of the stuff in the role quest chain that's in 5.4 is just plain funny.

[maiden lodge]

For myself, I'm happy to see that they advanced the tempering subplots, made it relevant again

[bold condor]

With another 6 months or so ending that storyline, in all likelihood.

Oh fuck you know who else would've been a shocking twist for that Ala Mhigan Resistance guy to say?

[maiden lodge]

Some chekov's guns got loaded and fired and that makes me happy

[bold condor]

Glory be... Glory be... Glory be... to... Hydaelyn!

[maiden lodge]

ooooooh

[autumn heron]

I really liked Werlyt

[bold condor]

I mean obviously it's the towers doing it but imagine Fandaniel amplifying her NATURAL TENDENCIES AS A PRIMAL to force tempering on people against her will.

[urban turret]

Idk I’m just repeating what I’ve heard

[maiden lodge]

As for Werlyt

[autumn heron]

and Im not sure where the not liking Graha part comes from

[maiden lodge]

Whoever's doing the writing and visual direction there give them a raise cause they are making that man the most loathesome of beasts

[bold condor]

You know it just occurred to me if these towers temper people, knowing that tempering can alter the flesh, uh

What if the monsters we next encounter... playing the part of the beasts of the "Final Days"

...What if they're people mutated by tempering?

[autumn heron]

They probably brought back the tempering plotline from ARR for a reason

[pastel coyote]

Rommy ofc it will happen, i'm looking for it

[urban turret]

I’m glad

1. Tempering is finally getting a good fix
2. WE CURING RACISM BAY BEEEE

[rugged basin]

Yup, it seems like Fandaniel's not being subtle like the unsundered ones were.

[autumn heron]

makes sense

[bold condor]

https://tenor.com/view/some-men-just-want-to-watch-the-world-burn-batman-alfred-quotes-gif-14054558

[pastel coyote]

[autumn heron]

the Sundered have very little reason to care about bringing back Amarut

[bold condor]

Fandaniel: Actually, I want to do the burning.

[maiden lodge]

also burn me to pls daddeh

[dim sigil]

This is quite literally the very beginning of a new story so I don't expect there to be as big as like 5.3 was

[urban turret]

CURING RACISM. Also as a side note: hey who do you think kidnapped those Amalj’aa?

[maiden lodge]

Where is the thanalan tower again?

[bold condor]

Fandaniel: Crush my windpipe, you brooding mountain.
Zenos: Back the fuck up.
Fandaniel: Yes, daddy.
Zenos: CEASE.

[forest magnet]

south than

[dim sigil]

And it's always kind of been a thing I guess but I think it's the first time they pointed out and I've actually noticed that temperes slowly turned into mini versions of the primal

[maiden lodge]

Thank you Lion

And where in S-than?

[pastel coyote]

well.... why be picky about the people you can temper right ? So amal'jaa being tempered will not surprised me

[autumn heron]

Well the racism in Limsa was brought from the fact that they broke the pact and fought a bloody war with the Kobold's for a decade

[bold condor]

Well, no, not a decade.

[maiden lodge]

well, more tempered

[bold condor]

The war was fifty years long, and it was after like a decade of peace.

Which itself was preceded by literal centuries of war.

[autumn heron]

Im mixing up numbers

[urban turret]

WE ARE CURING RACISM

[autumn heron]

THE POINT IS

Racism is a bigger issue in Gridania then anywhere else

FUCKEN DUSKWIGHTS

I dont think theres a very direct cure for that

[bold condor]

😎 Kan-E-Senna: What racism?

[urban turret]

Ok true but the systematic beastman racism

[brisk quail]

The earth spirits don't say anything racist so racism doesn't exist

[dim sigil]

the cure is ridding dusks of the wood

[autumn heron]

Duskwights arent people so its not racism

[maiden lodge]

Kenny's the Elementals' bitch, gotta go to the bosses my dudes

[bold condor]

Emet-Selch liked this.

[dim sigil]

Has it always been common in World Knowledge that tempered turn into smaller versions of the Primal or is this something they just learned

[bold condor]

Kan-E-Senna: We've been making peace with the Ixal.
Canon Varis: HOW DARE YOU COMPARE ME TO THE BEASTMEN!?!?!?!
My Varis: Okay, how are the Duskwights and Keepers of the Moon, then?

[pastel coyote]

Kan-E-Senna: but the elemental will be mad...
Wol: i kill god, i can kill them too

[bold condor]

Varis: My brain is big. Your brain is small. I have a chart, observe. I win the debate. Make me your leader.
constant sound of tin cans clattering

[vital brook]

OwO what's this? they're separating 2nd phase into another log

[urban turret]

Tbh duskwights and keepers of the moon are mostly gridian citizens and under the law they’re equal, so Kan-E isn’t to blame for the regular ass racism

[brisk quail]

You see

We garleans are mega smart. That's why we don't like savages.

And you don't like the civilized man which means you are dumb savage.

That means you must be purged

[urban turret]

Tbh honestly I’m gonna be real I think sharelean is next expansion (it’s not ALL we’re gonna go to but I think we’re gonna go there)

Too much worldbuilding without us going there

[bold condor]

[dim sigil]

i feel its being hinted

Only thing is I don't think the land is very big probably not enough to contain an entire expansion maybe a Zone

[brisk quail]

Anytime an expansion hits: something something

[pastel coyote]

If i know you irl i'm would be tempted to make a bet with about this and the one who's wrong will cut 3 of his finger start sharpening

[cedar wadi]

I want thavnair in the next expansion

🥺

[brisk quail]

Also.

||CAT BOI IS SO CUTE. LET ME FUCKING SMOTHER HIM WITH LOVE PLEASE SQEX|| that is all

[maiden lodge]

That part is basically one part narrative exposition which sums up what we've learned through the plot over years and in side content, and one part confirming or clarifying hypotheses about primals we've had. The physical alteration thing isn't new, but it needs to be readdressed if it ends up being relevant to the plot, seeing as it hasn't been a 'thing' in the main plot for quite some time.

[dim sigil]

If that's the case then also why haven't the others turned into zodiark

[subtle pasture]

Thinks about sephirot’s adds

[maiden lodge]

The new part is recontextualising it not as 'a thing inherent to primals' but rather 'a process of aetheric corruption' which then leads into 'and thus, it can be done without a primal'

[pastel coyote]

bigger aether pool i guess ?

[subtle pasture]

...so those weren’t just golems...

[maiden lodge]

Well... it's not merely 'you get tempered you change'

[dim sigil]

and shinryus adds i assume

[maiden lodge]

It's 'you get tempered, and keeping getting more and more tempered, you change'

[dim sigil]

are bomb rocks kolbolds

[maiden lodge]

Not all adds would be tempered, primal can also make egis

[pastel coyote]

whaaaaaat ? do you feel bad about killing fictionnal people and not fictionnal monster ? how sad

[subtle pasture]

If the Allagans called tempering Aetheric Corruption, what did they call corrupted aether

[dim sigil]

It gives a neat turn on the idea of just fighting instead it's not just random monster

[maiden lodge]

Like Sophia's Demiurges are tempered, not egis

I'd probably wager the Warring Triad's adds are tempered, it's mentioned they were stuffed in there with them

[urban turret]

Tbh I now have moved off “i think mercydia” but like...... I want to see the centaurs and tree people.............

[brisk quail]

Literally billions of Garleans we've personally killed in Bozja: what am I? Chopped liver?

[pastel coyote]

about the WT i don't remember, do sephi was msq ? If not how the cs with Owen turn out ?

[subtle pasture]

Specifically Owen’s presentation showed a transformation into the larger tank adds of Sephirot, where the smaller mobs were recycled into Sari’s Sephirot-Egis

[dim sigil]

homeplace of those guys who hang in upper la noacea

[subtle pasture]

So, that all tracks

[urban turret]

That’s the new world

Which we... might go to at some point? It’s mostly only relavent to BLU at this point tho

[subtle pasture]

I’m surprised to learn that the Allagan term for Tempering is so... generic?

[dim sigil]

blu is poster job for 6.0

[maiden lodge]

Yeah the rule of narrative relevance is pointing towards Garlemald at this point, and only Garlemald

[maiden lodge]

It's less generic than 'influence'

[subtle pasture]

It is a form of aetheric corruption, yes, but it is more likened to a brand or, well, temper, than merely corruption

[dim sigil]

and garleamnd is gonna be a primal

[urban turret]

I still don’t think it’s garlemald

[pastel coyote]

It's funny that Amon did fuck up thing again, it's as if Emet choose of for this role

[brisk quail]

I mean the Allagan's were scientists or people who liked doing shit just cuz they can.

They named alot of things unimpresivlingly

[maiden lodge]

Fandaniel and Zenos would need to go somewhere else then

[urban turret]

Yeah

[maiden lodge]

And until they do, all signs point to Garlemald

[brisk quail]

I'd kill for more city styled maps and duties.

[turbid helm]

How many civil wars has Garlemald had in XIV so far?

[subtle pasture]

Also on confirmed terms in this patch, calling the individuals under Sin Eater influence the “Light-corrupted,”

[pastel coyote]

if Zenos go to the new world, will we go to. Nothing complicated here.

hmmmm 3 ?

[maiden lodge]

2

[subtle pasture]

Simple again, but, nice to get a general term used on the dialogue :V

[brisk quail]

Yeah. We gotta go get stabbed by him. Every WoL wants his Big... long... hard... sword in their warm bloody guts

[maiden lodge]

Post Solus, and Post Varis

[brisk quail]

Stab me Zenos

[subtle pasture]

...dude slow mode on mobile even puts the timer on editing wtf

[gaunt star]

Do we even need slowmode anymore

[brisk quail]

No.

[quartz charm]

IT HAPPENED

TIME HAS PASSED IN THE GAME

[prisma vine]

TIME PASSED

[brisk quail]

TIME HAS PASSED

[subtle pasture]

Eden prom canonically takes over a span of time

[brisk quail]

[shell merlin]

so after finally starting the new eden content

I feel like emet may not be ded lowkey

[prisma vine]

i mean. why do you say that

[shell merlin]

@prisma vine lemme get the quote taht made me think that

[turbid helm]

Because of Gaia

[brisk quail]

The issues is they just died.

We fragmented basically did the whole white auracite thing with Emet

[turbid helm]

But didn't we snipe Emet with auracite and a big ol light axe

[shell merlin]

from mitron mostly

[ashen pawn]

Can have time pass in the First tbh since it might not impact future stories too much

[subtle pasture]

...Yeah still very intrigued how a blade of light did something else to him

[shell merlin]

^

[turbid helm]

Didn't emet break off all the white aurcite before we put a hole in his chest?

[prisma vine]

but we saw emet's body particle-effect away. his body was not twisted. it was exploded. and so he was left as a soul, and he faded away into sparkles at peace. presumably.

[ashen pawn]

Looks like Mitron got trapped into the physical body?

[urban turret]

I think Emets dead dead

[shell merlin]

I dont know, its just an interesting thing I thought of

[ashen pawn]

Something went wrong and the Blade of Light didn't purge him from his host and the host got turned into Eden

Meaning this could have happened to Thancred

[turbid helm]

Emet saved us from the Maw. Oops, wrong game.

[prisma vine]

yeah what adalric said. he got tesleen'd

mitron was the first to get tesleen'd

[shell merlin]

I also dont know where the MSQ is going to go with the poor excuse (in my opinion we needed some of these) clique villans

[prisma vine]

you mean cliche?

[shell merlin]

yes

[subtle pasture]

I like how the Sin Eater’s instinctual drive to eradicate Darkness is actually a warped form of Ardbert’s drive... wouldn’t that mean Sin Eaters wouldn’t naturally be that way?

[brisk quail]

We did. Technically he broke the auracite and we patched it together inside of him and sniped it with a big beam of light

[ashen pawn]

What you don't need the happy clique of Valen, Zenos and Fandaniel?

[brisk quail]

So I'd say emet is dead dead

[ashen pawn]

At this point I'd root for actual Zenos to come say hello in Werlyt story

[shell merlin]

@ashen pawn I like zenos and fandaniel, but the majority of players so far dont

[dim sigil]

if hes eden tho why does he still have his humanoid body agian

[subtle pasture]

...doesn’t that mean Sin Eaters are basically the Unversed from KH with Mitron as Vanitas

[turbid helm]

Fandaniel puts me to sleep, but I'm sure they'll build him up.

[shell merlin]

I like the idea of having a villain we can not reason with not everyone fucking needs a reason

[prisma vine]

i fuckin love fandaniel so far he's kefka

[ashen pawn]

Honestly I just enjoy the ride, back in 4.4 people seemed to hate the Solus reveal

[oak pike]

fandaniel is a trash goblin i love it

[ashen pawn]

And this got us Emet-Selch

[shell merlin]

a theory I saw was that he isnt actually part of zodiark like ascians are

[prisma vine]

he's awful. i love him

[brisk quail]

He chose the trash goblin's body to put his trash goblin soul into

[shell merlin]

like he may of been part of the reason for final days or some shit

[ashen pawn]

A shame that Varis became an afterthought to be fought in a memory though

[shell merlin]

idk, I have hopes for the next expansion

[prisma vine]

nate he is a sundered ascian. so he was a normal person who was uplifted from a shard of a prior convocation member. so that would imply the sound was an inside job

[shell merlin]

im ok with zenos being a typical bad guy

[ashen pawn]

Honestly Lunar Bahamut reminds me of Amaurot's final boss

[shell merlin]

@prisma vine tru

[ashen pawn]

For some reason

[prisma vine]

the sound being an inside job is a HORRIFYING thought tho

[brisk quail]

Fandaniel: "So... warrior of light... you've finally co-"

WoL: winds up a punch and socks Asashi's body in the jaw "you've got some nerve to keep living"

Fandaniel: "OW! What the fuck WoL! What was that for?"

WoL: "wait so you're not Asashi?, you aren't an ascian now are you? I still have a couple auracite left"

Fandaniel: "nonono. Or yes... I mean... fuck"

[ashen pawn]

Emet : "Our world was perfect, no real dissent, no evil"
Fandaniel :

[shell merlin]

tru

[subtle pasture]

Fandaniel seems like he’d get punched and say “thank you”

[turbid helm]

Only from Zenos

[prisma vine]

and laugh

[shell merlin]

idk maybe if they flush him out more it will prove to be better

[viscid monolith]

None of the Ascians besides Elidibus were ever part of Zodiark

[subtle pasture]

Or “that didn’t kill me, do it harder, coward.”

[turbid helm]

So does Fandaniel like Zenos because he feels he's the only one capable of killing him?

[ashen pawn]

Honestly he's as much a card-carrying villain as Emet in his first appearance

[prisma vine]

ok but like. i wanna point out. kefka also wanted to ruin the world. alduin in skyrim. same deal. lotsa villains just wanna end the world

[shell merlin]

@viscid monolith you know what I mean, when they are following his will

[ashen pawn]

Alduin wanted to rule the world, him not wanting to destroy it was the issue actually because waitnoI'mnotgettingstartedonthat

[brisk quail]

Not exaxtly.

Only those who were truly part of Zodiark were tempered/do the bidding of zodiark

The rest chose to live out their days and or try and bring their loved ones and world back.

[ashen pawn]

Those present at the summoning were tempered

[subtle pasture]

If Eli wanted he could have tempered people as his WoL Incarnate,

[prisma vine]

yeah im being a lil hyperbolic but you catch my drift at least adalric lol

[ashen pawn]

And that's the convocation

[viscid monolith]

Why do you guys keep saying part of Zodiark

[ashen pawn]

Ye that's why I stopped myself Miz

[brisk quail]

It's easy to get people to your side though.

People outside of the... 'group' could be brought in to do things.

[turbid helm]

We're gonna need a big pig to untemper an ascian

Cheaper to just kill them

[ashen pawn]

Ganon Porxie

[prisma vine]

they got varis into the idea of doing the rejoinings

[dim sigil]

wasnt laha in the patch art

[turbid helm]

P sure that was Artemis

[subtle pasture]

I realize that uh, the Werlyt kids struggle against Valens parallels Varis and the Ascians

Playing along to turn the tide in the end

[viscid monolith]

Still a stupid plan

[turbid helm]

I still haven't done the Werlyt story

[brisk quail]

||Burn out the bad. Burn out the bad. Burn out the bad||

[viscid monolith]

I don't know they intend to get into the Diamond Weapon. Unless Valens is stupid enough to put them in there.

[shell merlin]

do you guys think there is gonna be mroe to fandaniel and zenos?

[turbid helm]

I don't mind spoilers but how is it

They're the main villains now aside from Lalafell players in Limsa

[shell merlin]

lol

[subtle pasture]

He did, he approved for Alfonse to become the Diamond Oversoul. Alfonse says in the end this is what they wanted. He’ll take command of the weapon and turn it against Valens. Dunno how he’s got that planned when he’ll become slime Zenos

[brisk quail]

They're the main villains now aside from Lalafell players in Limsa

Fixed it for you

[shell merlin]

@turbid helm so I hope they dont fuck them up

[viscid monolith]

Wow Valens is stupid

[subtle pasture]

Which Valens says they’ll activate Oversoul as soon as he’s in to quash any rebellion, so uh

We’ll see how that goes

[brisk quail]

Valens just went check and mate on those dumb kids.

He just dunked on em

[subtle pasture]

I doubt he could keep Zenos in any capacity in check, we’ll see if Alfonse can

[viscid monolith]

Zenos can't be controlled. Valens hasn't dunked on anyone.

[brisk quail]

Like the only way their plan could work.

Is if Valens stays within the proximity of Diamond when he oversouls them

[serene crest]

Going way off the current topic, but a really minor thing that I dug. While I sort of miss having Blue Fields play at the campsite, that they replaced it with the best version of the Garden theme is fantastic.

[subtle pasture]

He’s making all these mini slime Zenos out of the test subjects to make a Zenos he can control and it’s like

[brisk quail]

Like as long as he can do it from the castrum or something. And just hang out. And then make diamond go boom in the end

[subtle pasture]

Valens man how stupid can you be

[brisk quail]

He's got em on lock. The kid's plan is donezo

But if he like jumps up to diamond. Presses a switch to oversoul him. Yeah he's dead

[pulsar yacht]

The best worst case for diamond is oversoul is popped to start and the battle boner part of zenos bee lines towards valens and then the wol/wod

[viscid monolith]

Anyway Diamond Weappon will likely be a solo instance

Probably

[pulsar yacht]

Yeah right before saphire as 5.5 trial

[viscid monolith]

Otherwise no G Warrior

[brisk quail]

ah yes. The infamous Zenos' battle boner

[north fulcrum]

Make part of the fight where everyone has to get into G-Warriors

[dim sigil]

I don't mind having a villain who is just pure chaos and Anarchy and there's no redeemable quality about them like Daniel i think theres more to him but the actual main villain weve yet to see probably

[viscid monolith]

There is no Sapphire Weapon

[gaunt star]

this

[north fulcrum]

Alternatively

make certain mechanics only handleable by a G-Warrior and you have to have people take turns getting into it

[brisk quail]

Inb4 savage mode is just the same but with no GWarriors

[north fulcrum]

so instead of 8 G-Warriors flying around, you'd have people alternating piloting it

[drowsy ivy]

G-War Active Time Maneuver

[north fulcrum]

Loving The Extreme remix though. It's baller

[subtle pasture]

I realize that the Galvus Data is probably from the moment before he killed him self at Ala Mhigo so Shinryu will definitely make an appearance

[brisk quail]

There's not been enough button mash cutscenes. I need more.

[gaunt star]

i feel like if it were then he would be talking about us, not "needing prey"

[drowsy ivy]

I expect Storm/squall/weeb sword mechanics
And then more Shinny stuff in EX mode

[subtle pasture]

True, true, that sounds like pre-SB Zen boy

[gaunt star]

unless he means that, but "prey" is a pretty vague term

hell even now zenos is obsessed with the WoL

[drowsy ivy]

If he said "my friend" I'd accept it was us

[brisk quail]

I'm pretty sure all the... 'data' is from the past.

[drowsy ivy]

but my prey could mean us or just anyone stronk

[brisk quail]

Like before Stormblood/HW/ARR

[gaunt star]

yeah

[subtle pasture]

I want someone to datamine that cutscene and get a better look at the slime model

[maiden lodge]

The 7th would likely have recent data.

[drowsy ivy]

The Baelsar data was before he came to Eorzea iirc

[gaunt star]

i was responding to pash

(and that was me responding to ynne)

[dim sigil]

that is pash

[gaunt star]

i should really make better use of this new reply

yes, but i was referencing the think i was responding to with my original statement

[bold condor]

People in 2.0: A cure for tempering? Hah! When pigs fly, perhaps!

[maiden lodge]

And it's not like Varis spent any time asking what was meant by Prey

[subtle pasture]

Like the last reading of Zenos’ suit would be... huh, wouldn’t it be Elidibus at Ghimlyt

[maiden lodge]

'Well this is a failure also throw the wife in'

[brisk quail]

I mean hell even the first weapon's Data was pre-ARR

[torpid yoke]

Inb4 its just nael

[gaunt star]

i saw the long hair

[maiden lodge]

by necessity, seeing as post ARR data wouldn't really technically exist

[gaunt star]

but nael also had long hair

[drowsy ivy]

Damn Rommy when did you get fired from being the designated "guy who yells at lore chat"

[ashen pawn]

Zenos.exe is like the worst ideas out of the worst possible ideas

[viscid monolith]

Btw has anyone won the race for world first

[maiden lodge]

Same with Gaius

[bold condor]

I left the server and came back.

[maiden lodge]

Gaius defected from the Empire pre-arr. Zenos, however....

[bold condor]

And I'm a girl.

[pastel coyote]

Will you have believe that if someone tell you we will fight a giant pig with royal garb to cure tempering 2 year ago ?

[ashen pawn]

Also, since Legati are usually a reference to FF villains, Valens seems to be Hojo + Heidegger?

[gaunt star]

pre-arr? i thought it was post-arr

[north fulcrum]

@viscid monolith Not yet, TPS was first in though

[maiden lodge]

Rom is best girl named Rom.

[bold condor]

This is true.

[subtle pasture]

The Darnus Combat data is so confusing because it’s before she died at Rivenroad but it has her Nael Deus forms as Images

[brisk quail]

Like Zenos is fishy. But from what we 'heard' from Zenos' oversoul sounds much like it's before Stormblood

[torpid yoke]

I don't think they literally meant your a guy rom just the figure of speech

[dim sigil]

its Sephorth

[bold condor]

So with Zenos, the Oversoul would logically be from the last time the Empire had access to his helmet, yeah?

[subtle pasture]

But at this point I chalk up to some degree of rule of cool

[maiden lodge]

But after she's tempered. So if we accept that it's her tempered mind used as data...

[drowsy ivy]

better not to get into that part

[ashen pawn]

Zenos' armor's data might never have been retrieved since Stormblood started though?

[brisk quail]

I mean if you wanna do that it would be pre-stormblood.

[bold condor]

I mean, you know, the last time they had his helmet was at Ghimlyt.

[ashen pawn]

Unless that happened while Elidibus was recovering from Zenos' death in 5.2

[maiden lodge]

Possibly? But it's not like Nael or Gaius where they either died or left the empire.

[brisk quail]

Since he lost his helmet at Ghimlyt.

[bold condor]

Zenos wasn't even wearing his helmet in Ala Mhigo.

[subtle pasture]

For one thing, the Raven Images are merely images, but she herself has her dread markings form her de-Deus appearance, so it was deffo the earlier stages of her enthrallment

[torpid yoke]

Is it not on their armor too?

[maiden lodge]

He wore his helmet when we cracked his helmet.

[brisk quail]

And we broke it in a cutscene/marketing materials in stormblood

[bold condor]

idk maybe.

Either way, that data would be easy to get.

[brisk quail]

So I'd say BEFORE ghimlyt is when they had his helmet

[maiden lodge]

Actualllllly

[ashen pawn]

Zenos' helmet doesn't show up in Ala Mhigo, and shows up again on Elidibus in Ghimlyt

[brisk quail]

So likely before Shinryu is when they last had it.

[ashen pawn]

Didn't he throw his helmet aside in Yanxia though?

[brisk quail]

So sometime around midStormblood

[ashen pawn]

Meaning Elidibus' helmet is a new one?

[bold condor]

I mean, would the mask part of the helmet be where the data is being recorded?

Seems inefficient to me.

[subtle pasture]

As someone mentioned, the Slenos speaks of seeking prey, which sounds like a pre-us Zenos, or maybe just before the final confrontation at Ala Mhigo

[maiden lodge]

Hoooooold the phone..... I just had a genius. Okay, so they use combat data for Zenos... okay.... but when? Well, when is Zenos combat data going to likely be the least unstable? The least likely to be all 'preeeeeyyyy'?

[brisk quail]

Well.
Hmm...

[ashen pawn]

Elidizenos is the stablest Zenos tbh

[urban turret]

What if zenos is the hint for the 6.0 job

[subtle pasture]

Furthermore, is it a pre or post Resonance Zenos

[bold condor]

Zenos is ALWAYS seeking prey.

[maiden lodge]

GIVE THIS FELLOW A COOKIE

[maiden lodge]

Except when it wasn't Zenos.

[gaunt star]

yeah, but that's elidibus, elidibus is the most stable

[bold condor]

Nah even Elidizenos was on the hunt and after us.

[brisk quail]

But wouldn't it be off? Since a helmet would read the Atherical properties?

[maiden lodge]

Yes, it's Elidibus, but it's Zenos combat data.

[brisk quail]

It wouldn't identify as Zenos since its not Zenos' aether

[ashen pawn]

The important part is that the helmet records Zenos' attacks

[gaunt star]

Elidizenos was only on the hunt because he had zenos' body and saw it as an opportunity to end the biggest obstacle to the plans of the ascians

[ashen pawn]

Which Elidibus did use

[maiden lodge]

No, it'd look like Zenos combat data with something different, but look, it's actually stable! Valen doesn't care why

[ashen pawn]

So the Kenki Wave, the katana shenanigans, the clones and so on

[brisk quail]

Just Valen things

[maiden lodge]

So the mental imprint wouldn't be Zenos, it'd be Elidibus, and that would mean we'd get Ascian wierdness

[ashen pawn]

That's what Valens wants, to create a katana wielding maniac that can be the ultimate creation of his and then prove the Reunion theory right

[subtle pasture]

I mean all Elidizenos doctors probably sensed something was odd with him but a) he survived his throat being deeply severed and b) you try being the guy who tells Zenos you don’t think he’s Zenos

[pine epoch]

Ok random tangent. Why does emerald weapon gunblade look like a keyblade

[gaunt star]

idk, never played KH

[bold condor]

Because DARKNESS is the heart's... true... essence.

[maiden lodge]

Pash, those doctors didn't know he got his throat slit because they were telling people Zenos dying was Alliance lies.

[brisk quail]

Why is the emerald.weapon sword and shield just the green version of the red sword and shield?

[ashen pawn]

Valens is Hojo and Heidegger in one character, so he just wants a powerful weapon out of his S C I E N C E

[bold condor]

https://tenor.com/view/ansem-kh-gif-13501018

[subtle pasture]

That too, but someone had to patch him up or at least fake the condition with those bandages

[ashen pawn]

Emet did

[maiden lodge]

Yeah but Elidibus had a cover story.

someone was spreading rumors that Zenos was possessed though....

[ashen pawn]

You're welcome for the mental image of Emet patching up Elidibus as Zenos

[maiden lodge]

But yeah, according to the Empire, and probably therefore to the VIIth and VvV's knowledge, it was all Zenos.

[subtle pasture]

What was the written explanation for Emerald’s hands again, something like,

[ashen pawn]

I mean considering Valen's plan is to "Have Alphonse get oversoul'd to be as capable as Zenos without the bloodthirst," Elidizenos' data is his safest bet and ironically what might make Diamond Weapon defeatable since as we discovered, Zenos in a random body > Elidibus in Zenos' body (at the time)

[subtle pasture]

Emulating how Gaius seemed like he could attack from multiple directions at once, or commanded his men in such a way

[ashen pawn]

Shame Spectral Gaius didn't drop random ceruleum puddles at certain %

[serene crest]

Yaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrghhhhhh!

[ashen pawn]

also I'm calling Gaius piloting the G-Warrior at some point while we fight Diamond Weapon on foot

[craggy gale]

Oh yeah, why did the Gaius fight in praetorium involve him pissing on the floor

[brisk quail]

Yeah. Something about being able to bombard enemies from all sides and pinning them down

[ashen pawn]

He forgot to go to the toilet before jumping on that elevator

[gusty quest]

Honestly I think it'll either be Gaius or Allie fighting in the G-warrior if that were the case

[brisk quail]

And his tactic style. Which led to the EX version of the fight where you had 3+ mechanics in a row

In the gaius phases

[ashen pawn]

Shame Gaius, as an enemy, didn't get a chance to shine in battle besides his 1.0 cutscene

[gusty quest]

I consider the 2nd phase of the emerald weapon fight to be a kinda rematch

[brisk quail]

Phase 2 is the real EX.

Phase 1 is baby mode.

[ashen pawn]

Nael has a whole lot of shenanigans to take us in memory lane, Regula has the Tiger and turrets, Gaius has Terminus Est and... Garlean troops?

(Also funny that the one legatus we faced twice in solo instance, including a .3 patch, showed up in oversoul version in solo instance in a .3 patch)

[maiden lodge]

Another prediction

G-Warrior instance for Diamond Weapon, and VvV is the actual trial.

you want this

[gusty quest]

How would we fight Valens tho?

[maiden lodge]

VIOLENTLY

[ashen pawn]

Nah, G-Warrior instance for Valens and we humiliate him

[gusty quest]

True

[maiden lodge]

With ruthless agression and righteous fury in the knowledge we're killing an actual villain who deserves it

[ashen pawn]

First we humiliate his little pet project while on foot, next we toy with him while in a mech

[gusty quest]

Either way with Alphonse being confirmed as the diamond weapon pilot i've lost a bet that he'd be the last survivor

[ashen pawn]

And then we throw him in the water while chained in concrete

[brisk quail]

Burn out the bad.

Burn out the bad.

Burn out the bad.

[maiden lodge]

Also another possibilit

'You know what, oversoul into Zenos isn't good enough. Put MY combat data in there.'

'Sir, that's needlessly evil'

[autumn heron]

What you thought the cute au ra girl would die?

[gusty quest]

Yeah

[ashen pawn]

I do think he's aware of his combat limitations, fueling his jealousy

[brisk quail]

DO IT ANYWAY.

[gusty quest]

Square enix hasn't made us suffer enough

[ashen pawn]

While he is a dickhead, he seems calculating af

[maiden lodge]

Okay but, you promised you wouldn't take over Alphonses mind in a way that would maximize pure dickishness.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/742643125981413447/786140153261326367/19959385.webm

[brisk quail]

Onyx Weapon: just fucking self-destructs

[ashen wyvern]

Interesting thing, Cyella refers to ||Mitron with she/her pronouns in FR when you talk about eden after finishing the raid story||

I thought it was a mistake at first but, ||I think Mitron's voice from the pale purple crystal back in 5.3 was female ?||

[ashen pawn]

Funny that he got outshined by Nero (who was criminally underused this patch too btw), who felt outshined by Cid

[gusty quest]

So many people getting outshined

[maiden lodge]

In what context exactly?

Cause sometimes, using Elle for a man is appropriate.

[ember tulip]

okay...found where the datamined hair is used on...hope that hair is on 5.41

[brisk quail]

Level of Magitek people.

Cid>>>>Nero>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>×infinity>Valens

[autumn heron]

I like Valen as a villain

oh god, Valen.....Villain

[ashen pawn]

Even that rando garlean engineer in HW allied beast tribes is better than Valens tbh

[brisk quail]

Like. He's so easy to hate. And I love it.

[autumn heron]

Indeed

[ashen pawn]

He's well written

[ashen wyvern]

In French, it's commonly never used for males unless the person is uncomfortable with he/him pronouns

[brisk quail]

Like. That whole prison scene

[gusty quest]

Either way I hope Valens dies painfully either at the hands of one of the following: Diamond weapon (Alphonse, very unlikely), Allie (Unlikely), Gaius (Very likely) WoL (Very Likely)

[ashen pawn]

Re: people to punch -> that Limsa pirate

[ashen wyvern]

you basically never hear it

[brisk quail]

God. It made everyone uncomfortable.

It was perfect.

[maiden lodge]

Unless the antecedant is a feminine noun itself.

[autumn heron]

It would probably be Gaius since Valen has been directly killing his kids

[ashen pawn]

Wasn't it said that they wanted to make Zenos unlikeable and failed cause he got fans anyway? Guess Valens is Attempt #2

[gusty quest]

Yeah that's my choice, still I wouldn't mind him getting his comeuppance from any of those listed

[brisk quail]

Like.

God. That was a perfect level of creepy.

[ashen pawn]

Or was it unsympathetic

[pastel coyote]

k gimme the full sentence in french and i will tell you what she mean by "elle" in this case

[ashen wyvern]

In this case she's very much talking about ||Mitron|| themselves: ||"Quant à Mitron, jamais je n'aurai imaginé qu'elle avait connu un tel destin !"||

[maiden lodge]

Fair enough, yeah.

[brisk quail]

||The kids were like bro this is wrong.||

||Valens: oh. Its your first time torturing someone? Don't worry its fun! Here. We even got a chant about it!||

[ashen wyvern]

||"As for Mitron, I would never have imagined she had suffered such a fate"||

[gusty quest]

Burn out the bad!

Burn out the bad!

Burn out the bad!

[maiden lodge]

Thanks, Suffering, yeah you're right then

[brisk quail]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-fire-burn-flame-gif-5042503

[maiden lodge]

in b4 people use that as a parse shaming mantra

[ashen wyvern]

I thought maybe it was a mistake, but then I remembered ||the 5.3 voice stuff, Loghrif mentioning Mitron's appearance was very different, artemis usually being associated with female or non-binary characters as an entity etc. so it's likely it's not a mistake||, especially because in fr they tend to pay a lot of attention to pronouns due to our language unfortunately being very binary gendered

[gusty quest]

If the diamond weapon is using Zeno's combat data, and he still had his armor intact after merging with Shinryu. Could we see the return of Bahamut 2.0 perhaps?

[ashen wyvern]

someone mentioned they often didn't refer to ||mitron with pronouns but directly with their name during the eden story in english, but idk if it's the case||

[maiden lodge]

I'm sorry suffering that's a lot of words to say 'Gaia said trans rights'

[ashen wyvern]

exactly

[rain badger]

e12s cleared?

[red talon]

Does the E12N boss have a hard enrage and if yes, what is it?

[brisk quail]

Its rfuckin dead

[ashen wyvern]

and gaia's absolutely right

[brisk quail]

Rfucking killing good.

[pastel coyote]

yeah in this case Mitron was directly designed as female

[pulsar yacht]

if 12n has an enrage it's not something I'm aware of unless it's in the tea time sequence

[bold condor]

A thought occurs.

[maiden lodge]

Dangerous

[pastel coyote]

keep it

[junior cedar]

Does we have an E12S clear?

[maiden lodge]

Yes, TPS cleared E12S

[bold condor]

Most primals temper by shifting the soul towards passivity, Light, and their own elemental aspect. This is because forcing the soul into a passive state makes the soul susceptible to influence. But then what does that mean for Zodiark who is specifically aligned to Darkness?

[junior cedar]

Ohhh congrats to them!

[pastel coyote]

yeah i did, it was easy

[bold condor]

Is that maybe why the Ascians' tempering seems different?

[maiden lodge]

Possibly.

OR... mayyyybe Emet's just wrong.

[cedar wadi]

THEY MADE A BOSS BASED ON JUNCTION

[pastel coyote]

well..... does Nael sound different from the other tempered ?

[bold condor]

Bahamut is not a primal of Darkness, we discussed this.

[maiden lodge]

Like he assumes his drive and adherance to duty is being tempered, but really, he's just a bad guy in the head.

[pastel coyote]

he is astral charged, it's basically the same

[bold condor]

Bahamut's aspect is primarily fire, it's just that he's very astrally-polarized.

[late void]

took this pic. totally will be my pc wallpaper

[maiden lodge]

Most primals seem astral aff

[bold condor]

It's not the same. Unaspected Astral is all elements in balance. Being mostly fire shifts that balance.

[maiden lodge]

But that doesn't imply they can't umbralize stuff either, any more than Eden being a sin-eater doesn't imply it can't be used to astralize.

[late void]

@theplayerbun, hahaha

[bold condor]

And tempering is made up of one part pushing the soul into an umbral state, the other part forcing the primal's element into the person.

[maiden lodge]

and one part other beard

[bold condor]

Also, Eden being a sin eater used to polarize things to Darkness had the effect of releasing Mitron's mind.

[dim sigil]

I still don't get if it was just that little area or if the entire world supposed to be fixed now

[maiden lodge]

It's an area but it spreads along ley lines.

[bold condor]

It's just food for thought, anyway, I'm not making any definitive statements.

[red talon]

It's going to spread from that area

[gaunt star]

I’m more interested in why Amon said reversing tempering was a waste of time. It’s possible there’s something above tempering that’s a larger problem than tempering itself.

[urban turret]

Nah I think he was just a dick

[maiden lodge]

That's the whole point--it's done locally but it will spread along the aetheric currents in a slow and safe manner that will not endanger Norvrandt.

[red talon]

Remember that Amon was with Xande, who was in the "let's destroy the world" camp

[dim sigil]

wasnt amon neck deep with Xande in ascian stuff

[maiden lodge]

Because by that point they'd gone full ham into aetherochemistry and nihilistic destruction of the world

[gusty quest]

Here's a thought about a future Diamond weapon Trial and how it could go down: We go to the diamond weapon base and it's activated with us fighting it. Diamond is oversouled into zenos making him too powerful. Then the G-warrior shows up to assist us. We continue the fight and defeat Diamond. Thoughts anyone on how it might proceed?

[dim sigil]

zenos combat data, Zennos uses a katana last au ra is shirtless and white haired

[gusty quest]

Hmm, not a bad idea

[dim sigil]

SEPHORTH

[gusty quest]

Shirtless Zenos is best Zenos

[gaunt star]

Dunno, I just know tempering could potentially be part of Zodiark’s “cure,” so it’s possible reversing that could bring back problems Zodiark was created to solve.

[radiant ice]

how do we access the exploration stuff for dungeons?

[dim sigil]

i haven't seen it but id imaigne maybe around same area as trusts

[pulsar yacht]

DF options

[urban turret]

Same place where you can unsync

[pine epoch]

I had a stupid scary thought

[bitter cloud]

AHHH Alisae said the ||T|| word :< ||now I'm sad cuz she brought up Tesleen || :<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

[urban turret]

They’re being a lot more heavy handed with the gay this patch

[pine epoch]

||Cerberus mount is locked behind Blue Mage, but once you clear the omega raids you don't immediately unlock the mount, instead you unlock a quest to tame the cerberus. And it unlocks a Bonus Trial/Raid for blue mages only to tame Cerberus||

[topaz dune]

you mean graha? @urban turret

[urban turret]

No I meant ryne/Gaia

And the thing void said

[gaunt star]

Eden was basically wol as the third wheel; I really wish they at least had another character for them to talk with while coffee biscuits duo were lovey

[red talon]

Ahh yes, the LGBTQ crystal

[topaz dune]

Skittles*

[odd yoke]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/785776496282566696/786382333619732480/Eo1X-2fU0AEveEm.png

[bitter cloud]

I'm all for the LGBTQ crystal, but that e12 boss is ugly; cool mechanics but DAMN it's ugly

[odd yoke]

Race is over

[topaz dune]

the power of Skittles is eternal it seems

[bitter cloud]

😮 now the question is MTQ Capture guides when

[red talon]

The boss kinda reminded me of a certain character in Dr. Stone (manga, not anime) due to the things that look like boobs

[rain badger]

@bitter cloud not for 3 weeks

[north fulcrum]

It'll be awhile

[vale flower]

e12 boss looks like a tit grape

[rain badger]

pugs are not gonna be able to do e12s lmao

[bitter cloud]

D: pugging w.o a solid youtube guide is rough

[north fulcrum]

I mean, pugs do ultimate

[maiden lodge]

@keen hedge In the case of Fandaniel, he is an unreasonable nihilist, so... good luck with that.

In the case of Lohgrif, she's our friend, and we're trying to help her keep remembering that, and when she finally does, she's reasonable because she stops going on that destructive route.

In the case of Mitron, he's too busy trying to get Lohgrif back to actually allow reason and comprimise to occur, but eventually, he does in fact, do so.

[rain badger]

the precision for uptime lion / shiva is going to kill DF lol

[bold condor]

About the NieR quest, is it always Anogg who falls off the cliff, or does that change if you chose a different sibling earlier?

[north fulcrum]

UPR literally clears ultimates fine and is a discord dedicated to pugging ultimates

[rain badger]

ya but i meant PF not people who use discord

[north fulcrum]

So I highly doubt E12S is going to be "impossible"

[rain badger]

I'd put discord groups a level above average PF**

[bitter cloud]

I'd wait for consistent clear strats to come out before throwing out pugs

[maiden lodge]

Any time people have said 'PF can't do X' PF finds a way.

[north fulcrum]

^

[bitter cloud]

@north fulcrum what's UPR? 😮

[rain badger]

they'll find a way but it'll be light rampant memes

[maiden lodge]

It might be sketchy, and nonconsistant like E8S, but clears happened.

[north fulcrum]

ultimate primal raiding, discord for pugging ultimates

[rain badger]

for at least 2 weeks

[red talon]

The Dr. Stone character that the E12 boss reminds me of: ||https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHXc-wzUYAAcquN.jpg||

[maiden lodge]

Of course it will be memes

[rain badger]

we had ilya light rampant memes for like the entirity of the raid tier lol

[maiden lodge]

PF is always memery, but that doesn't imply there won't be progress.

[north fulcrum]

The ILYA GAP

[rain badger]

will probly be the same way for e12s

but worse

[topaz dune]

true that Fandaniel is the unreasonable nihilist, however that can backfire on him and can cause him to be Zenos next prey if he does too much damage to us and wreck the chance of having the grandest 1v1 fight

[rain badger]

people who play controllers are going to hate doing shiva mechanic

[red talon]

What is the ilya gap?

[rain badger]

ilya gap = NA does ilya, JP does ayatori, JP clears more

[red talon]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/909/636/a8c.png

[maiden lodge]

aka, JP and NA/EU pugs used different default strats, and have different clear results.

But, by the same token, JP pug culture is also -way- different

[rain badger]

I mean, JP pug culture is literally everyone abides by the macro or you gtfo

[north fulcrum]

https://twitter.com/Sindalf/status/1336823738940018689

Sindalf (@Sindalf)

Khloe MVP with the gold certs because we killed it during the final GCD

Twitter · Dec 10, 2020, 12:03 AM

[ashen wyvern]

some jp players on twitter also noted the ||Mitron's gender|| thing, so apparently it's not just fr but intentional stuff

nice 👀

[maiden lodge]

Japanese doesn't have linguistic gender.

[forest magnet]

NA NUMBER 1 AGAIN WOOOOOO

[ashen wyvern]

yeah they're just noting ||the voice from 5.3 and the appearance stuff I mentioned earlier||

[maiden lodge]

(at least not in the sense French, English, etc do)

Yeah.

[forest magnet]

what's with mitron's gender?

[maiden lodge]

Look if all this ends up meaning Gaia is queer I'm down for it.

[ashen wyvern]

not that surprising since we know ||gender can change across incarnations||

[forest magnet]

Eh, Artemis can be used for guys too

[maiden lake]

Question anyone know how many ascians are left?

[red talon]

Ardbert and a female WoL for example

[forest magnet]

At least 2.

[ashen wyvern]

apparently Mitron ||was originally female, just reborn currently in a male body but maybe not caring or still identifying as female||

[forest magnet]

that's speculation

[ashen wyvern]

if we follow ||cyella's words from fr||

it's mentionned at start of msq that there are a bunch of unsundered left, we're just not sure how many

[bold condor]

I just realized something.

[keen hedge]

14 for each 10 ascians?

[ashen wyvern]

we know there's currently ||a mitron that's been re-ascended though||

[vital brook]

Looks as if my character was talking to a baby

[viscid monolith]

This fucking tank

Dragged titan adds to the center

[bold condor]

Terra from KH is a character who was tempted by Darkness and forcibly fused to Master Xehanort before having his heart transformed into a creature that could not recognize its former friends until they saved him and restored his memories and form.

[ashen wyvern]

the name itself can be used for males as well, but the entity is generally associated with female or non binary representation

[forest magnet]

Is Artemis Fowl non-binary

[red talon]

But he also got to be a fancy armor and KH2FMs hardest boss

[ashen wyvern]

that and the ||e12 boss design is based on one of the oldest representation of artemis||

[bold condor]

Gaia from FFXIV is a character who was tempted by Darkness and forcibly fused to Mitron the Chastiser before being transformed into a creature that could not recognize her former friends until they saved her and restored her memories and form.

[unreal wadi]

https://twitter.com/FFsfia/status/1336821460334043136

🧅 Sfi 🧅 (@FFsfia)

TPS KILLS e12s 1853 EST

Twitter · Dec 9, 2020, 11:54 PM

Tps just killed e12s, world first.

[red talon]

And she also has fancy armor and is a very hard boss

[bold condor]

Their names are even Latin/Greek mirrors of one another.

[ashen wyvern]

since in xiv the ancients wearing names of greek deities seems to directly represent them in their own way, it's not exactly the same

[bold condor]

Her fancy armor is actually closest to Terra's Keyblade armor out of any of the armors in KH.

[red talon]

I mean she was designed by the KH man himself

[forest magnet]

how does Mitron directly represent Artemis in characterization? I know his boss model is based on the statue but otherwise hte connection is pretty loose, there's plenty of better greek assignments too

Uranus being a logical choice [haha insert funni joke here]

[ashen wyvern]

I'll try check more about the artemys myths

[red talon]

whose anus?

[maiden lodge]

MOON and EARTH

[bold condor]

Yes, Dis, you are correct there.

[maiden lodge]

Also the moon is the goddess of lovers, after all

[bold condor]

And his world revolved around her. It's all very fitting.

[ashen wyvern]

I completely forgot artemis was associated with the moon

[red talon]

🏹 🌕

[rain badger]

tbh I do too, for some reason when I call her diana, I'm like oh right moon, but when I call her artemis its like hunt hunt hunt

[viscid monolith]

People like landslides. I wonder what they taste like

[dim sigil]

chunky

[wind bough]

Sundered, you mean. There are no unsundered left.

[north fulcrum]

Unsundered are busy being dead by us

[ashen wyvern]

oh yeah sundered my bad, typed too fast

[north fulcrum]

All good

[red talon]

I still think that both Laha and Elidibus can be brought back if the writers want them to be back (although Laha is kinda a stretch)

[ashen wyvern]

"busy being dead by us" is a nice way to put it

[north fulcrum]

Eh, the story of zodiark/hydaelyn is supposed to be ogre so I don't think they'll return outside of flashbacks

[ashen wyvern]

well elidibus being absorbed by the tower instead of dissipating into the lifestream brings questions

[wind bough]

I can’t imagine the writers wanting them back

Elidibus was destroyed by a aetherial blast by us. Watch the whole cutscene

[ashen wyvern]

maybe his soul is kinda stuck there in a way ? the shot of his soul going into the tower seemed very deliberate

[viscid monolith]

They could be brought back of thw writers were hacks

[topaz dune]

the unsundered are perma dead

[ashen wyvern]

especially in contrast with how you see emet dissipating back into the lifestream during the fight

[wind bough]

The tower bound him like white auracite and we disintegrated him in a blast of Light. Then his child form dissipated into aether and drifted into the sky.

[dim sigil]

time travel

[topaz dune]

the rest can be reborn tragiclly

[ashen wyvern]

but as a matter of fact they're ded

[viscid monolith]

It actually drifted into the tower Lyon

[wind bough]

Elidibus dissipates!!! You see it!

[ashen wyvern]

it didn't drift into the sky actually

that's what's weird, what was left of him got absorbed inside the tower

[viscid monolith]

He's still dead though

[ashen wyvern]

he absolutely is

it's just possible his soul isn't in the lifestream but somewhere else, just obviously still counted dead, more like in more usual spirit/ghost form ? à la ardbert

definitely unable to possess or corporeal form again

since he's by all means ded

[maiden lake]

The tower converts things into pure aether so yea he definately dead

[viscid monolith]

I'm pretty sure he's just in the tower