retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[late willow]

I hate to tell you this, but thats the entire point of Eureka

[viscid monolith]

NA is just literally too stupid to function.

[late willow]

You can't just rush through a high level area

You have to sneak through

[elder lark]

@viscid monolith i mean the first few weeks you saw plenty of HW fate groupsd for memories,so you could farm 20+ easily in a couple hour span if u were deficated enough,you dont see too many nowadays because i figure most people maxed out on memories early,or got what they wanted at most

[late willow]

Eureka's biggest crime is that it shows how smol brain the community is

People can't possibly accept that the fast way isn't always the best way

[loud pecan]

Mob's aggro in Eureka is as dumb as Suzaku's or Shiva's AoE

[viscid monolith]

No. Bozja was always faster. Still is.

[primal basalt]

sure, let me just throw out the last 70 levels of reinforcement that “fast is gud”

[late willow]

Mob aggro was easy

You just had to remember the rules

[primal basalt]

the rules which are never explained

[elder lark]

thats a lie lance,the bojza memories arent guanteed drops,the HW fates were as long as u got gold,you could get gold in any bojza fate,or hell even cluster farm and u werent guanteed memory drops,i spent alot of time in bojza and i was getting a memory maybe 2-5 fate spawns

[late willow]

Learn it yourself

[viscid monolith]

Is sound aggro ever explained?

[loud pecan]

the rules

[late willow]

Talk with the community

THATS THE ENTIRE POINT

Not to mention its just the FFXI system

[loud pecan]

I don't feel like it's very "FF14 like"

[viscid monolith]

You don't do fates in Bozja for drops. You do cluster farms. This is what I'm fucking talking about stupid brain dead NA

[late willow]

Because its not meant to be

FFXIV is a game where you queue into a dungeon, then finish the dungeon without saying a word

Everything is handed to you on a plate

Eureka encouraged sharing of information

[loud pecan]

Not quite what it did tbh, tho I understand your point once again

[autumn heron]

Even FFXI rarely has full interaction anymore due to trusts

[viscid monolith]

You take 8 people and you spread out. You don't need all 8 people in one area. You can get all 3 types of crystals at the same time. Or 4 if you have the second step.

You put 3 people in the first zone, 3 in the second and 2 in the 3rd zone. That's how you do it. It's more efficient than running 60 fates.

[late willow]

Everything from how the mobs work and spawn, to have you spawn NMs or the location of quests was intentionally designed to be obfuscated to encourage exploration and exchange of information

[viscid monolith]

But that requires too much thought and effort. So idiot streamers and reddit spread the word that HW fates were the way to go.

[late willow]

But FFXIV has trained the community to just want everything handed to them

[viscid monolith]

Eureka encouraged leeching more than anything else

Most of these chuckle fucks didn't work for the Eureka relic.

[late willow]

This community is full of leechers

People who do the bare minimum in content, not even trying

Heal bots and single pullers

[tropic frigate]

when i did eureka i was just mindlessly grinding NM spawns and i did not enjoy it one bit

[late willow]

And you enjoy Bozja?

[loud pecan]

this was also my experience

[heavy crane]

Okay, in the first phase of emerald extreme, can someone tell me when it summons the hands how to tell when to go in or out

[viscid monolith]

CEs are more engaging than anything from Eureka

[tropic frigate]

bozja actually has some communication inside of castrum but other than that i did not suffer

[full sparrow]

Does someone have a link to the items spreadsheet for this patch?

[tropic frigate]

all i would type is LFG in eureka and hit things

[late willow]

Yeah CE's are good

[loud pecan]

It's not about enjoying Bozja, it's about not feeling bored by Bozja

[tropic frigate]

and then i would quit afterwards

[late willow]

Eureka was a chill experience

[viscid monolith]

They should fix the uh. Duel system though.

[late willow]

Thats the main reason I liked it

I got to chill out and hunt NMs while shitposting in shout chat

[loud pecan]

I remember drama-land and lots of salt in shout in Eureka personally, perhaps was it only on EU's server (but I don't think so ?)

[autumn heron]

Problem is older MMOs that encouraged communication are pretty muuch dead in general. No one really has the time for that anymore, or at least arent willing to make time

[viscid monolith]

People are more busy now

[late willow]

Good thing Eureka was side content

Ehhh

I wouldn't say people are more busy now

The people who played MMOs back then are

[tropic frigate]

it was fun to sometimes go through overleveled mobs though

[late willow]

But not people in general

Uhh

[autumn heron]

[late willow]

I'm pretty sure the people who played WoW on release were also wage slaves paying off debt

[viscid monolith]

Sorry it's been a heavy day

And they had to forgo a social life for it. More so for XI. Fuuuuuuuck XI.

[autumn heron]

tbf student debt 16 years ago wasnt nearly as high as it is now

[viscid monolith]

Yes tuition has doubled in the last 20 years

This is the wrong type of depression. Meara are you Primal?

Sora are you raiding?

I need bodies

[late willow]

Nah I'm Aether

This year needs to end already

[glacial turret]

anyone got e12s spoilers?

[autumn heron]

I havent raided savage at all this xpac

[finite glen]

HELLO YES I NEED HELP! DID THEY CHANGE CID'S VOICE ACTOR?!

[dim sigil]

@glacial turret yes

[viscid monolith]

Oh did a group make it to the second phase?

[glacial turret]

send them over pls

[viscid monolith]

@finite glen We don't know. It could be that he's recording at home. Or his voice has changed.

[glacial turret]

is that supposed to be ||ultimecia||

[viscid monolith]

I guess?

[subtle pasture]

Oh. We’ve had the model, was hoping someone had hit it orz

[glacial turret]

i dont see the ||hot bird feet||

[random anvil]

colour scheme looks more Edea

[viscid monolith]

I am. Not impressed with this raid tier honestly.

E12 wasn't as good of an ending as O12 or A12

[glacial turret]

i cant justify subbing i wanted ||ultimecia|| not ||goth emo chick trying to be her!||

[late willow]

All I've done this patch is craft

I'm just killing time until Penis 2 tomorrow

[glacial turret]

hi meara

[late willow]

Hey Isra

[viscid monolith]

I went into Titan Unreal

Went as bad as you think. I need people I trust.

[loud pecan]

same feeling, but i think I got hyped a bit too much on FF8

[glacial turret]

shiva unreal make me wanna not try unreal at all. people can't do 7 year old mechanics

[autumn heron]

They said they are making Eden MSQ sometime in 6.X so they cant definitively end this storyline cause its gonna come up again later

[subtle pasture]

No Ultimecia but will ||Eden’s 20 breasts||suffice?

[glacial turret]

but i dont like ||20 breasts|| i just wanted to see her ||bird feet in hd in ffxiv||

[loud pecan]

surely bcs of the burn

[onyx sundial]

Tibbies

100000 tibbies

[dim sigil]

think of them as || egg saccs ||

[glacial turret]

||ultimecia's feet are hot||

[onyx sundial]

Egg tibbies

[subtle pasture]

That almost got me but I noticed it shift with the next message,

[glacial turret]

how do i spoiler images

[dim sigil]

add SPOILER_ to the start of the file name

[subtle pasture]

Should be an option when uploading, or spoiler block the link

[autumn heron]

I cant wait to see all the new players complaining in 6.X that they have to not only do CT but also Eden as a requirement to advance

[dim sigil]

It's probably more than it's worth but would be nice if they just could change Crystal Tower to the main story Quest symbol

[loud pecan]

they are so important to FF14 tbh

[glacial turret]

honestly i the last good raid was alexander. Omega was just old ff bosses and eden was reusing primals and some ffviii (and 1 ||3||) bosses, its like they ran out of ideas.

[autumn heron]

VERY FUCKING IMPORTANT

[loud pecan]

I mean Eden's raid are the reason 5.4 exists

[viscid monolith]

Omega had good fights. I don't like many of the Eden fights.

[autumn heron]

half of Alex was trash tho. It didnt get good until the last tier

[subtle pasture]

“Old FF bosses” is more than half this game anyhow

[loud pecan]

O11S was so great

I enjoyed E3S and that's about everything I enjoyed in Eden so far

[autumn heron]

and yea everything in this game is a direct reference to another FF game

Even Shadowbringers with the flood of light, thats the plot of FF3

nothing in this game is wholly original

[loud pecan]

it's a big fanservice and we like it. At least I do

[dim sigil]

14 really feels like a culmination of Final Fantasy as a whole overall although I can understand why somebody wouldn't like that because they would want to stand out on its own but in my own bad taste and opinion I think it does to

[subtle pasture]

And for the most part, the fan service is far more than simply lip service, like the Knights of the Round envisioned to the Heavens' Ward, and King Thordan

Eden was no more than a summon animation in 8, and look at this shit

[loud pecan]

It's well-served fan service for most parts

[dim sigil]

I think that's some what is also part of a divided between players some people are playing at because it's an MMO other people like me are playing cuz it's Final Fantasy that just has forced multiplayer

And a lot of people use that excuse to also be bad which creates a negative light on them rightfully so at time

[gloomy tide]

Well, Final Fantasy is a story-driven series first and foremost, MMO or not. Some people literally only resub to get more story.

[autumn heron]

most do actually, the sub numbers drop hard once everyone finishes MSQ

[dim sigil]

Yeah the game really is at its peak only when msq is fresh

There's still plenty of people around after but it definitely drops off noticeably

[polar star]

Some wusses don't even attempt savage, hell, even extreme they won't take on

[dim sigil]

Savage personally I don't care to do but I go for extreme

There's some games where I love going for the most difficult ultimate challenges 14 isn't one of those

[gloomy tide]

Some people don't care about that stuff, you know? They want the story then dip.

[bitter cloud]

I'm so glad || matoya's VA still sounds pretty similar and wholesome ||

[gloomy tide]

I can make examples of other games where you're shit at them but don't care, the same applies to this game.

[dim sigil]

What is annoying i whencpeople who clearly can't do ex join farms

[pastel coyote]

Sometime i do EX, when a friend drag me there

[grand parcel]

hrm. Starting to see why we don't get cool hoods that often.

[dim sigil]

Like sometimes you do a farm and suddenly you're three wipes in and you haven't even gotten past ads it's like bro why are you here you can't do this

WHERE IS THAT HOOD FROM

[primal basalt]

new tomes, probably

[dim sigil]

which set

[gloomy tide]

I just want hat. pls gib hat

[shell merlin]

got to the 5th floor on the new stuff

3 people run

[bitter cloud]

What I learned was all pugs are lights rampant pugs at best, diamond dust at worst xD

[pastel coyote]

I'm all for the training but most party who supposed to do that give before 1h

[shell merlin]

cool boss

[bitter cloud]

Then again, I hit the raid tier around when 5.3 came out so it was kinda stagnant content at that point

[dim sigil]

i remember with titana ex one guy kept messing up 2nd brambles and then he said dont expect clears in pf

[grand parcel]

new tomestone's healing headpiece

i THINK the casting top is also the same so it should also work on viera

[nocturne void]

I wanna do more maps

[autumn heron]

I like the casting Eden gear (its just Gaia's outfit) but the hat feels very out of place

like they couldnt think of anything better so they just gave it a top hat

[polar star]

I love Exarchic casting and healing

Shame I can't buy any of it because it costs a fucking arm and a leg

[nocturne void]

pay me

[polar star]

also, where do you exchange phanta tomes

[autumn heron]

Price will go down in like 2 weeks

[rain onyx]

@polar star mor dhona at auriana

[polar star]

Ty

[dim sigil]

gotta love how they split them between eulmore and mor

[marsh osprey]

3 emerald clears latr

and i still dont understand the crosses

[mighty light]

YO
HYLLFYR'S VOICE ACTOR IS FIRE

That's all be back later

[dim sigil]

who

[shell merlin]

@nocturne void I did not get a single material out of about 30 maps

and we got to the 5th floor on one of these 30 maps

[dim sigil]

that hurts

[marsh osprey]

ouch

[shell merlin]

it hurts a lot when my group of 3 1 person got the new material and new emote

as well as enchanted lumber in 1 run

[nocturne void]

Well

[shell merlin]

and the other got 2 seacloth
which pays for their maps

[nocturne void]

Wanna do more maps?

[marsh osprey]

corn aint on light

[shell merlin]

0 material for me all day
lol

and we are currently doing more if you wanna join

[marsh osprey]

what a letdown

[shell merlin]

@marsh osprey im not that nate oh wait youre on light

[nocturne void]

Hell yeah, gimme a minute. Which server you doing more on?

[marsh osprey]

corn your name really fits emerald weapon, becaue you need a lot of dias

[shell merlin]

@nocturne void we are on jenova

[pastel coyote]

did you weeb cry during e12 ?

[nocturne void]

Yeah, there's going to be a lot of dias and regens this tier

[marsh osprey]

i catjammed to the music in e12

[nocturne void]

Savage is going to be coffee biscuit required

[shell merlin]

@nocturne void meet me at uh

[nocturne void]

Gimme a second, gotta post some crafting shit

[shell merlin]

actually do you wanna vc I can invite you to the discord

[polar star]

I think I'll start progging savage tomorrow, undergeared as hell tho lol

[nocturne void]

but 3-4 minutes

I'm okay without vc unless you need it. Small house and it's late

[shell merlin]

its fine ye then just meet me at kholsia tomra

[nocturne void]

k, gimme 3-4

[shell merlin]

ye its fine, ingame name is tai wayer

[dim sigil]

Imagine paying for maps and not Gathering your own

[nocturne void]

I did

[polar star]

Imagine taking the time to GATHER your maps when you have millions of gil

[nocturne void]

It's how I kept millions of gil

[primal basalt]

i need to hit i500 before i even think abt savage

[marsh osprey]

easy now

augmented crystarium gear is easy to get

[nocturne void]

I'm looking forward to new expert

I hope its stupid
and bad

[carmine basin]

For those who already completed MSQ, does the scions still hang around/talkable NPCs?

[forest magnet]

well obviously not thancred urianger

[torpid yoke]

The ones missing are thancred urianger, tataru, krile

[timid escarp]

I can't believe how quickly the MSQ was over

Maybe I forgot how long they usually take

[marsh osprey]

its official

crafted ring is BiS for whm

[potent marsh]

eden 11 is a kingdom hearts OC

[marsh osprey]

[potent marsh]

even the fucking music bro

[shrewd cypress]

can someone remind me what lyse did to be considered a hero lmao

[potent marsh]

do not steal

[north ibex]

I forget, where do yall unlock the eden stuff?

[polar star]

She organized the Ala Mhigan front?

[shrewd cypress]

mord souq @north ibex

[forest magnet]

Lyse is also not an Archon, but Krile refers to her as one.

[polar star]

I'd call that pretty heroic

[shrewd cypress]

feel like we and the catgirl did more than she did

[gloomy tide]

Someone is getting mad that I'm telling the group the mechanics of a fight (E11) and is threatening to report.

[forest magnet]

didn't catgirl spend all of 4.0 out of --ooooooh i see

[gloomy tide]

Can this fucking idiot really do that?

[forest magnet]

probably

GMs are the epitome of no-tolerance

[polar star]

A LOT of what she did was off screen @shrewd cypress

[shrewd cypress]

lol freis i queued into 12 and someone immediately starting talking mechanics

[forest magnet]

you can get banned for interfering with bots.

[shrewd cypress]

and i said "imagine spoiling normal mode mechanics" and he got mad lol

[topaz dune]

wait what, someone is becoming uber salty over explaining the mechanics? @gloomy tide

a possibility of mental dysfunction and or refusing to listen to suggestions due to possible foolishness on their part

[polar star]

Also btw freis i'd be pretty pissed off if someone spoiled NORMAL mode mechanics on day one

[topaz dune]

[polar star]

pretty dick like move imo.

[muted sandal]

Nvm, can’t do new savage yet. My ilvl is only 498. Oof

[shrewd cypress]

like it was 10 am and this guy is telling all the mechanics im like

[shrewd cypress]

if you get a full group ilvl req doesn't matter

[topaz dune]

ahhh now i understand now

[polar star]

I have fun actually using my brain to figure out the mechanics on my own

[marsh osprey]

and normal mode

[muted sandal]

I don’t have that many friends who play.

[forest magnet]

same

[marsh osprey]

has 485 as requirement

[mighty light]

||The Navel fight feels really weird as a BLM||

[marsh osprey]

and u can get a few 510 pieces from there day1

[muted sandal]

And besides, I’ll probably wait until a guide comes up so I can do it with pugs

[mighty light]

||Why does BLM, the largest aether siphon, not simply eat the flying pig||

[serene ice]

during the 5.4 kobold stuff ||why did we alisaie need people to transfer her aether while there's crates of crystals to the side||

[muted sandal]

Out of all the normal raids for Eden’s promise, I think E9 is the worst

[forest magnet]

because the crystals are earth asepcted

[mighty light]

Yeah we can't just use crystals like that

[forest magnet]

so if you used that aether it'd defeat the point

[marsh osprey]

e9 is pretty straightforward and easy

e10 and e11 are the real killers

[forest magnet]

e11 was the worst

[polar star]

E9 is fuck melees: the fight part 25356678

[muted sandal]

I died quite a bit to E9.

[shrewd cypress]

e9s is fun but fuck the squares

[marsh osprey]

and e12 is really shit because most of the fight is boring addphase

[muted sandal]

E11 I think is the easiest as my blm main

[forest magnet]

the squares make it feel like i'm playing mario and the platforms would fall if i spend too long on it

[marsh osprey]

i see wol ahsnt played emerald yet, now thats a melee killer

[polar star]

I have

[mighty light]

E11 and E12 were both fairly simple for BLM, although I still died a lot because I couldn't remember the pattern
E9 and E10 were annoying

[marsh osprey]

besides physical ranged

[forest magnet]

since when does physical ranged ever get short end of the stick

[muted sandal]

I had to guide a few people on how to do E11 well enough. The first run, we got to the hidden aoe part and everyone died except me

[forest magnet]

are u talking the lightning attack

[marsh osprey]

they never do, thats why bard is still shit

[muted sandal]

The three shadows along the edge of the arena that do those aoes

[mighty light]

Phys range doesn't get the short end of the stick in fights because it is physically impossible to give that end to a role that doesn't channel and can attack at long range

[shrewd cypress]

you can keep melee uptime in 9 and 10 for the most part

i don't remember 9 normal but the anti air stuff you can like move out between gcds

[mighty light]

(I'm talking in terms of fight design not balance)

[marsh osprey]

#makebardcasteragain

[shrewd cypress]

also i have a prediction for the new expansion:
Y'shtola is going to fake die again and people will still think she's a good character

[marsh osprey]

you seem like a good character

[shell merlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22yHj8KpksQ my friend got the orch roll from the new dungeon

first posting on market

[forest magnet]

that's not the new dungeon music

[maiden lodge]

In their potencies

[shell merlin]

@forest magnet its the orch roll its new roll

[ashen violet]

seems like we'll be getting HW Alphinaud's attire on mogstation soon

[shell merlin]

I didnt say dungeon music

[forest magnet]

why wouldn't a dungeon drop its own orchestrion roll

[shell merlin]

dont ask me

Literally dropped the name

[ashen violet]

nah the map runs is going to drop the alternate kholusia day name

the dungeon of course will drop the dungeon orch roll

[shell merlin]

it dropped it off a abomination

[ashen violet]

that's not nice of you /jk

[maiden lodge]

The dungeon does drop its own orchestrion roll.

[forest magnet]

so it can drop 2 orchestrion rolls, interesting

[shell merlin]

he is selling it for 20mil lmfao

[maiden lodge]

It dropped my first run

They need to have a system where you can check your orchestrion list to see where it drops.

[shell merlin]

btw if those interested, the boss is reskins for 5th floor

it is an old heavensward boss from a raid I forget the name

and its uh ultron or whateve rthe tentacle dud from manderville quest

[maiden lodge]

Would stop a lot of guessing.

[shell merlin]

we died to the old raid boss cuz we only had 3 people

[nocturne void]

ultros

[shell merlin]

ye

ultros

and the weird 4 leg spider raid boss from HW

which has a look away and stack marker we died to lel

[gloomy tide]

I don't know if p eople are fucking with me or not about being pissed if someone told them normal mode mechanics.

[shell merlin]

this boss

[gloomy tide]

Like holy shit dude, do it with your friends then.

[marsh osprey]

on day one somebody sure is gonna get pised

[shell merlin]

but recolored

for 5th floor

[marsh osprey]

when u say mechanics

[gloomy tide]

[marsh osprey]

they wanna have fun

figuring the mechanics out

[gloomy tide]

That is some weird ass shit expecting random people to adhere to that nonsense.

[nocturne void]

did you ctually have a wipe before you told someone?

[shell merlin]

who

[nocturne void]

guy above

[shrewd cypress]

explaining mechanics as you learn em 👍
explaining mechanics while everyone's in a cutscene 👎 🤢

[subtle pasture]

I usually wait for a wipe before explaining-- and usually just the one a few people are having trouble with

which is to say, Turn of the Heavens.

[potent marsh]

eden 11

is FUCKIN HARD WTF IS THAT SHIT.

[marsh osprey]

[subtle pasture]

just watch the dragon kappa

burnt strike thunder is a bigger aoe, etc

[shrewd cypress]

pay attention to the elements

[marsh osprey]

cant wait to do e11s blind

[potent marsh]

not eden 11, eden 12

the "throw all the mechanics at you at once" fight

[marsh osprey]

eden 12 is literally the easiest fight

[subtle pasture]

Oh, just gotta learn the aoe patterns while it throws them one at a time in the start

[potent marsh]

i disagree, going in blind, and trying to remember the 2 patterns.

[drowsy belfry]

Hey I just woke up, how's the savage race going?

[potent marsh]

it be easier after a few more time

[subtle pasture]

the worst is titan but once you you can catch the order,

[gloomy tide]

Everyone cleared it already at the same time.

[potent marsh]

i thought eden 11 wasnt that bad tbh

[marsh osprey]

e12 not cleared yet i think

[subtle pasture]

seen people hit enrage on Promise but I presume it's just a door boss-- dunno if checkpoint or hades-esque

[marsh osprey]

man people stuck in e11s

[subtle pasture]

bc its enrage is only like, 9mins in

me, debating how much I wanna suffer in E9S pugs

[potent marsh]

didn yoshi p literally say that eden 11 was gonna give people trouble

[marsh osprey]

yeah

[potent raft]

People already clearing e10s? Wth

[nocturne void]

E11S has ||Quietus||

[subtle pasture]

all the streaming groups who were making it to sub-50% E12S stopped for the night

[nocturne void]

And apparently, they cue for that, by saying "Hey, isn't this what Gaia did"

[shrewd cypress]

i don't think i ever laughed at this game until this point

[potent raft]

Password

[marsh osprey]

WILD ROSE

[subtle pasture]

LONG LIVE EMPEROR XANDE

[marsh osprey]

wanna know the archievement for emerald weapon

[shrewd cypress]

sure

[nocturne void]

lol

[potent raft]

Lol

[marsh osprey]

[shrewd cypress]

i dont get it lol

[marsh osprey]

it definitely isnt easy

[shrewd cypress]

o

[marsh osprey]

emerald weapon in a nutshell

[next quarry]

Okay got to i508

[subtle pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-muppet-green-its-not-that-easy-gif-16886135

[marsh osprey]

the holy duality

crafted and 2k+ piety

[potent raft]

You can heal

[ashen violet]

OH

[potent raft]

Without losing any mp

[ashen violet]

IT'S A KERMIT REFERENCE??

[shrewd cypress]

oh i get it now

[subtle pasture]

It's not easy (being green)

[shrewd cypress]

it is indeed not easy being green

[marsh osprey]

man thats a great reference

[subtle pasture]

It's not easy being aether

[next quarry]

Shut

[shrewd cypress]

The notion that the password could be something so inane would be laughable were it not dangerously stupid. Furthermore, your conduct in the presence of His Highness is grossly inappropriate. Know your place, handmaiden.

[marsh osprey]

color the top black and suddenly my lala looks like a hoe

[nocturne void]

truth

[next quarry]

Is that all nq

[marsh osprey]

The notion that the password could be something so inane would be laughable were it not dangerously stupid. Furthermore, your conduct in the presence of His Highness is grossly inappropriate. Know your place, handmaiden.

[next quarry]

[austere bear]

can someone explain to me what is the toloroi?

[next quarry]

Oh ok

[marsh osprey]

rest assured

[next quarry]

@austere bear the new msq term?

[marsh osprey]

id rather uninstall than use nq

[austere bear]

yea fandaniel calls his 2 man crew that

[next quarry]

It's a name fanny boy made up for his small group

[austere bear]

he has more than xenos and his pet bahamut?

[next quarry]

Right there on the spot

[severe finch]

Doesn't topoloroi translate to something like end bringers

I read that somewhere, unsure where

[next quarry]

Probably

[austere bear]

why on earth did elidibus brought him back if hes um unhinged

[nocturne void]

elidibus wasn't a picture of sanity himself

[prisma vine]

@severe finch yes

[austere bear]

is he part of the convication of 14?

[prisma vine]

no and yes

[forest magnet]

Telo means End. Phoroi is not a 1:1 greek word, closest is phoros which is a membership fee for being in an organization.

[nocturne void]

The end membership fee

[austere bear]

i see. what would his real name be

[forest magnet]

Hermes

[nocturne void]

This is the YMCA

[austere bear]

that makes a lot of sense

i always thought that would be Azem's real name

[prisma vine]

ppl are getting it from Sarissophoroi

[nocturne void]

pog, one calf leather

[sly bluff]

Kind of an ._. moment they conveniently forgot how WoL was Azem

[prisma vine]

instead of bearing pikes they bear the end itself

[forest magnet]

why would u think Hermes would fit Azem better

[dim sigil]

traveler

[austere bear]

his winged shoes symbolizes as such

[forest magnet]

Apollo fits better as a real name for Azem

Apollo is the god of sunlight, as well as herds and flocks

[dim sigil]

Her name is Apollo then

[prisma vine]

unlikely that we get a true name any time soon

[dim sigil]

ever

[austere bear]

most likely the PC name lol

[prisma vine]

maybe yeaaarrrs and yeaaarrrss down the line

[forest magnet]

apollo can be a girl's name and mitron was a guy and his name is artemis so

[austere bear]

lahabrea would be prometheus

[nocturne void]

a bad movie

fits

[forest magnet]

lol

[austere bear]

isn't WoL technically an Ascian?

[dim sigil]

no

[nocturne void]

Never forget his final words, words we should live by
AHHHHHHHHHH

[forest magnet]

TBF, Artemis doesn't fit Mitron...at all.

[austere bear]

or you only an Ascian if you had a hand in summoning Zordiark

[dim sigil]

were a reincarnated ancient but not an ascian

[nocturne void]

everybody is an ancient

[dim sigil]

are they?

[forest magnet]

yes

[dim sigil]

isnt those who cant get the echo arent

[austere bear]

also do we know all of the convocation members now?

[forest magnet]

no, their echo just can't be awakened

like Alisae, she just feels sad/nostalgic when she sees a starshower

[nocturne void]

everyone but omega and midgarsormr and the dragons would be ancients

[dim sigil]

the echo is final days ptsd right

maybe thoae we cant get the ehco died to soon or didnt see much just covered their eyes till death

[nocturne void]

Are the beasts ancients?

[forest magnet]

it's a memory that joggles the soul into remembering that it was an ancient

like what happened to Gaia. Mitron restored her memories, and she got that ascian glyph

[pastel coyote]

ho i miss we have nier content

[severe brook]

i saw one decent explanation for Artemis being Mitron
The Moon (Artemis) revolves around the Earth (Gaia), just as Mitron obsesses over Loghrift

[mighty light]

(I love Fandaniel he's literally the worst)

[nocturne void]

fandaniel is a treat

[austere bear]

I think the people forget that ascians need to discard their bodies to shard hop when it comes to gaia

[forest magnet]

I have a better alternative: Gaia was bound to Uranus, and she got Kronos (Ryne) to kill Uranus so....we have a better connection there

[nocturne void]

your anus

[austere bear]

Whoever is doing Fandaniel's motion cap

keep at it. its great

[potent raft]

Man, i need to do the msq D:

[forest magnet]

why are u here

[dim sigil]

i havent done msq ether yet

[pastel coyote]

get out

[severe brook]

i mean in the sense of astronomy, not mythology
also possibly that the Moon directs the tides/oceans, which could connect to the Seat of Mitron being connected to the Marine Biology division of the Akademia with the Words of Mitron
though there's nothing saying that an Ascian's true name is actually connected to their responsibilities.

[nocturne void]

Imagine doing MSQ instead of crafting

[potent raft]

Because i am half way there and finished eden lol

[dim sigil]

i did Emerald and eden

[autumn heron]

MSQ is pretty short, but the X.4 patch always is

[austere bear]

where do i start the void questline?

[sonic vigil]

Has anyone gotten past 12s first part?

[ashen violet]

isnt .4 MSQ usually 'things are going well until they don't'?

[austere bear]

nope toughest door boss so far

[sonic vigil]

Is it confirmed as a door boss or is it just incredibly likely

[dim sigil]

also being old gaia looks the same does that imply our reincarnations have been the same to

[austere bear]

gotta set up conflict for the next expansion

the timer is 2 hours long

[nocturne void]

what's a door boss

[sonic vigil]

Titan and Shiva are 2 hours tok

[maiden lodge]

The existance of a fellow incarnation that we know does not look the same implies reincartions are not always the same

[autumn heron]

Pretty much yea .4 is always is "Hey we finished the story of the xpac so lets try and do something" for the first hour until shit goes wrong in the last quest and kick starts the next xpac story

[ashen violet]

it's common people headcanon that the ancient looks similar to their reincarnations, but it's best to think it's an exception until further proven

[forest magnet]

the gaia one is an exception yes

[mental bear]

Okay gotcha.

Fandaniel is just a major asshole.

[nocturne void]

Someone just got 6 seacloths from a chest

[ashen violet]

https://tenor.com/view/come-to-me-dr-evil-sad-come-here-gif-5275332

[dim sigil]

i hate them

[livid oracle]

why do the Moogle minions dance in a circle. The cheerleader miqo'te minions line up and cheer. But Ryne and Gaia minions do not interact at all. WTF

[viscid monolith]

Oh wow. This is not good. Very not good.

[forest magnet]

what

[nocturne void]

they interact when you're not looking

[mental bear]

Also yeah, .4 is usually where the intro to the next threat/expac is shown.

[viscid monolith]

Valens really is a bastard. A discount Gaius. Collecting orphans and brainwashing them into loving him.

[forest magnet]

well he's also making orphans by the looks of things...

[dim sigil]

.4 is the start of 6.0 essentially

[mental bear]

And .5 is the actual intro.

[nocturne void]

valens is a goofball

[mental bear]

Exactly, that's a good way to put it. .5 will basically tell us what the goal is of the next expac.

[viscid monolith]

Yes he is killing parents and keeping the kids

[dim sigil]

he gave me big pedo vibes like oh god

[pulsar current]

burn out the bad made me wanna kill that son of a bitch realllll bad

[nocturne void]

burn off the fat tail

[viscid monolith]

Using the parents as test subjects for the Synthetic Auracite

[dim sigil]

imagine if it was voiced

[pulsar current]

im not gonna

[dim sigil]

he makes the perfect kinda villain that your just have pure hate for

i hope he dies a slow painful death

[pulsar current]

i hope we burn him

[dim sigil]

gaius will do it most likely

[gaunt star]

That guy was kinda racist

[subtle pasture]

Werlyt was a hell of a rollercoaster,

[dim sigil]

just kinda

[pulsar current]

kinda

[mental bear]

I feel like after Shadowbringers that's what they're setting up for the next expac. Shadowbringers had a lot of empathetic moments, 6.0 with peeps like Fandaniel and Valens really sells the idea that "Yeah we're not going to have a heart to heart here."

[subtle pasture]

Burn out the bad, burn out the bad.

Burn 👏 out 👏 the 👏 bad 👏

[nocturne void]

burn out your bed

[forest magnet]

if valens lives after 5.5 i'd be mad

[gaunt star]

The burning with a hot iron made me visibly wince

[subtle pasture]

that one elf kid who knows how fucked up it is-- I'm sure all do, but he definitely seems the most...

[mighty light]

||Fandaniel is making Zenos better purely by virtue of existing||

[pastel coyote]

btw i'm curious about the admiral line in Limsa, with me she talk about bozja and werlyt but did she if you didn't do the content ?

[gaunt star]

I didnt do bozja but she still said it

[forest magnet]

still says the same

[subtle pasture]

As expected, Fandaniel merely alludes to harming us a teeny bit,

[mighty light]

||Like just the two of them being a duo of nihilistic monsters w/ such completely different affects improves Zenos as a character so much IMO||

[subtle pasture]

and Zenos threatens him with death

[pastel coyote]

yeah zenos really care about his friend, what a bro

[forest magnet]

wait a minute is he using a dragon to threaten a city state that has fought dragons for the past 1000 years? is Fanny serious?

[gaunt star]

I hope we kick Valen in the balls someday

[mental bear]

Fandaniel is exciting because after the tears of dealing with the other boyos.

[mighty light]

I mean

[ashen violet]

one that has managed to make ishgard a snowy hell, yes

[pastel coyote]

well he did threaten me with a dragon when i'm a dragoon so.... yeah

[mental bear]

I want someone whos just like "fuck it restart"

[nocturne void]

rip

[subtle pasture]

It took me a moment to realize when he said ||"The first beast,|| that he meant a) ||Lunar Bahamut||, and b) ||in his Final Days reenactment||

[forest magnet]

what did u think it meant

[subtle pasture]

that there was something else

[drowsy belfry]

On that note tho

|| Sooooo remember how we joked about Zenos being forcefully rejoined to 14/14? ||

[subtle pasture]

5.4: rise of the cringe dude bro ascians

we got a simp and... whatever you'd call Fan

[mighty light]

Accelerationist

[gaunt star]

Guys I'm gonna be honest
I'm really enjoying the weapon quests

[viscid monolith]

Who is the simp

[ashen violet]

hi gonna be honest.

[subtle pasture]

Mitron,

[dim sigil]

Emerald was pure joy

[mighty light]

Haven't done those yet; be back later

[dim sigil]

and the music is pure SMT

[forest magnet]

tbh idk what to make of that line

[subtle pasture]

Loghrif seemed pretty chill, all things considereed

[dim sigil]

did she

[topaz dune]

Mitron the simp, Fandy the cringe, and Zenos the nihilistic emo dude

[forest magnet]

"Don't worry mitron i'll keep a diary"

[topaz dune]

[forest magnet]

and then Mitron acts like the diary will last forever or something

[subtle pasture]

Mitron being so extra and she's like "Oh okay, my loyal protector uwu"

[dim sigil]

SMELLS LIKE SIMP

[viscid monolith]

Danny is cringe and I'm glad people are seeing it

[drowsy belfry]

Oh yeah that reminds me, did I miss a quest unlock or something? The ending to Eden felt pretty "ehhh"?

[forest magnet]

Danny

[viscid monolith]

People were so high off of Emet Selch.

"Oh my god he's so quirky and theatrical"

Nah. He's annoying.

[next quarry]

What if zenos activated trance

[subtle pasture]

Loghrif: "Ugh, fine, I guess you are my little protector."
Mtiron, quaking.

[mighty light]

She isn't just talking about keeping a diary anymore at that point she's basically talking about keeping a history

[drowsy belfry]

I guess that festival quest will be added in 5.5 as a final wrap up and send off firs the First?

[forest magnet]

Loghrif: "Ugh, fine, I guess you are my little protector PogChamp."

[pastel coyote]

Something start to bug me about Gaius, he sound like he didn't know about the fucked thing garlean were doing to other. Wasn't him who kinda destroy ala mhigo road and all and we've been told that ? Or it was just under his rule ?

[gloomy tide]

Wooooow Ami playing at the end of Eden caught me right in the feels.

[nocturne void]

Gaia, Wake up, you are my little pogchamp

[mighty light]

Cease and desist

[ashen violet]

i guess mitron's association with the ocean was appropriate, all the water in the world won't quench that thirst

[subtle pasture]

Also me, seeking out any relations to their Scions of Light titles,

[forest magnet]

a lot of salt too

[viscid monolith]

Gaius ran his ship better than other Legati

[subtle pasture]

Loghrif the Transcendent, Mitron the Chastiser

[gloomy tide]

Mitron the Thirsty

[drowsy belfry]

Speaking of, should we have realised sooner that Gaia was the name of the Ancient??

[forest magnet]

Gabranth runs his ship the best though.

[viscid monolith]

Gaius didn't abuse his subordinates. Minus grooming Livia.

[subtle pasture]

I when he said she always was a resplendent soul

[pastel coyote]

you didn't Hedge ? I mean it's obvious

[drowsy belfry]

The thought honestly didn't cross my mind

But then it got spelled out for me and I went "OOOOOOOOOOh that makes sense yeah okay"

[nocturne void]

gaius was a pretty decent military governor

[topaz dune]

ah so the emerald wep fight does take place in the ruins of castrum mericidium/praetrorum

[gaunt star]

To be fair lance
Emet selchs weirdness made him more mysterious and scheming, and also was his way on looking down on us
Fandaniel just comes off as an idiot

[pastel coyote]

Among all the major greek divinity gaia is one of the most important heh

[subtle pasture]

Even from the start, Gaia wasn't her name, since it's what the faerie whispered,

[ashen violet]

loghrif being the 'transcendent' does explain her affinity with time magic

her?him?

[mental bear]

I mean I think that was the point, Fandaniel is potentially actually insane from how long they've been alive.

[viscid monolith]

As for his treatment of Ala Mhigo, Gaius still isn't a good guy. He didn't care about Ala Mhigans.

[subtle pasture]

but Mother Earth is weirdly adjcaent to a Garden of Eden so it could have gone either way

[drowsy belfry]

ALSO: If we get that Eden Wrap Up quest in 5.5. We better fucking get Gaia as a trust avatar >:I

[nocturne void]

Garden of eden, but it's just Eve and Eve

[subtle pasture]

It's Eve and Lilith, where they realize Adam wasn't worth it and punch the snake instead

[mental bear]

Gaia is a trust member, using new class for 6.0 😉

[viscid monolith]

Basically Gaius only cared about the people he controlled

[dim sigil]

using HAMMERS

[pastel coyote]

Just let Gaia make a a tatoo of her glyph and it's fine, Logriff will be happy

[pulsar current]

what's her class, DPS stance warrior?

[nocturne void]

Chemist, the hammer class

[subtle pasture]

I know Belias' glyph is meant to be his lion form and his mace but the way they clipped it down to Loghrif's looked oddly like rose vines

[mental bear]

If I get to be a chemist I'll take the nonsense hammer.

[forest magnet]

wait does Warrior's stance change if you're in tank stance or not?

[subtle pasture]

I really dug that.

[viscid monolith]

No

[subtle pasture]

has someone gone and highlighterd the parts of Chaos and Belias' glyphs that make up Mitron's and Loghrif's yet, like we do for the others

[viscid monolith]

You just turn Defiance on or off. There is no dps stance.

[pulsar current]

it used to back in stormblood but not anymore

[drowsy belfry]

Also the real question now is, who's real name in the Convocation was Zeus

[subtle pasture]

I bet it was Pashtarot.

...not for any particularly reason...

[pastel coyote]

well who have a purple crystal.... ha shit

[drowsy belfry]

You're biased

[subtle pasture]

oh yeah, which reminds me, no Pash this patch ; ;

[dim sigil]

There really needs to be a chart of who's alive still and who's not

[nocturne void]

I'm not alive

[gaunt star]

Wait is the eden storyline not finished yet? Or does it wrap up in this patch

[pastel coyote]

well we have one.... we need to update now

cause someone who was dead is alive now

[subtle pasture]

Altima, Halmarut, Pashtarot, Deudalaphon, and Fandaniel

[dim sigil]

It's done but it feels like there's something one more thing to do

Being the festival thing probably

[subtle pasture]

Oh, and Emmerololth.

[drowsy belfry]

It kinda just ends, there's a good chance we'll get a wrap up quest in 5.5 like we've been getting with Nier

Ryne keeps talking about a Fesitval so

[ashen violet]

speaking of nier

anyone calling dibs on the dwarf twins being dead later on?

[dim sigil]

I have seen like literally nobody talk about any of the Void Quest thing that was supposed to be added

[pastel coyote]

dunno, i'm doing now

well we did talk about the void quest

[drowsy belfry]

I've said my piece about the Void Quests: BRING ON LIGHTBRINGERS 10.0

[nocturne void]

Dawnfuckers

[pastel coyote]

ho look at those """ shard """

[subtle pasture]

Void Quests were nice and sweet, not too much happened in 'em tbh,

...Well, One Very Big Thing, but lots of cute moderate ones uwu

[carmine basin]

People were speculating that one the of twins will die. Not that one of the twins has died though...

[dim sigil]

It's Fight Club

[mental bear]

More than likely we'll end up getting a wrap up for a lot of loose ends in .5

[drowsy belfry]

Plus Eden wasn't added to NG+ so there's prob one or two more quests coming

[dim sigil]

There never was Twins

[pastel coyote]

the twin will turn into machine, good ending

[subtle pasture]

No one brings up that Unukalhai will be eternally a child,

[severe finch]

Emerald takes place in Castrum Marinum, the Castrum at Cape Westwind. The ARR finale is Castrum Meridianum

[drowsy belfry]

Also I'm so glad we can finally move on from "IS UNUKALHAI OUR 13TH SHARD"

And focus on our real 13th shard, Cuchulain

[subtle pasture]

Can we?

[carmine basin]

But have we moved on from Zenos is Hythlodaeus

[pastel coyote]

we can

[ashen violet]

just considering it like those Drakengard weapon quests, ya know. if we do go that route, both twins being dead would be a mercy

[dim sigil]

silly thats ysthola

[subtle pasture]

Taynor says his aether is oddly familiar, which makesa me bank on him being Nyelbert's shard, I guess

[drowsy belfry]

Either Nyelbert's shard, or Taynor's shard

[pastel coyote]

or his shard

[craggy gale]

gimme the god damn EP soken

[subtle pasture]

Right, I notice they got very similar eyes as well, could go either way

[drowsy belfry]

Also no new vocal track this patch got me feeling weird

[subtle pasture]

I think my "it MUST be Nyelbert" is due to both being Warriors of Light

[drowsy belfry]

But To The Edge is as good as any to be the last Vocal Track of the Expansion

[subtle pasture]

Taynor, isn't one as far as we know

[drowsy belfry]

Unless Soken wants to go the extra mile for 5.5, which tbh we've never gotten a vocal track for .5

[nocturne void]

Song for 6.0

Possibly in february

[craggy gale]

yeah we live in a post to the edge world

never be the same again

[drowsy belfry]

Zurvan and Seiryu both didn't get vocal tracks

so I doubt Diamond'll get anything more then a metal remix of Zenos's theme

[subtle pasture]

We said that when we entered a post-Wayward Daughter world

we shall recover and watch as Soken climbs ever greater heights

[mental bear]

I'm putting money on Gaius ending up leader of Garlamauld at the end of 6.0 easy.

[dim sigil]

zenos has a theme?

[drowsy belfry]

God I hope not, we'd have to kill Gaius

Despite the fact we're working together, I still don't have the impression he doesn't wanna take over the rest of the world for the Empire so

[mental bear]

I think Garlamuald as we know it won't be a thing by the end of all of this. I don't think the empire will be reformed, it'll probably be replaced.

Or just a crater tbh.

[next quarry]

By the might of allag

[nocturne void]

I'll give you a mighty allag

[subtle pasture]

Garlemald will probably be converted back to a Republic, with the provinces having representatives,

[nocturne void]

Knowledge that eluded the great ligmas

[subtle pasture]

can't say where the new capital'll be, though.

[gloomy tide]

Where do Ryne and Gaia go after you finish the storyline?

[subtle pasture]

in our hearts

I don't think they've ever had a spot post-Gate or Verse, which is a shame

[gloomy tide]

I ain't no Artemis or Mitron or whatever.

[mental bear]

Populares will probably show up again if I had to wager.

[hard bridge]

so beautiful

[pastel coyote]

hohoho that nier part

Yoko Taro, you little bastard

[unreal wadi]

now im curious

so, Cyella did transform into that monster when Ardbert was around?

Because the shadowkeep was holding deepshadow sword

[bold condor]

Yes, she did.

[random anvil]

i imagine it's just memories on Eden being amplified

[bold condor]

Shadowkeeper is what Ardbert and his fellows faced before the Flood.

No, it's real; Ascian Prime states they joined with Shadowkeeper.

Which would probably be why it had three heads.

[random anvil]

😮

[austere bear]

were not going to the void next expansion are we

[nocturne void]

I am

[austere bear]

they just teasing a new arc tbh

[random anvil]

the void stuff is so out of the way tho

[nocturne void]

going to the void right now

[dim sigil]

shadowkeeper was basiclly ardber n crews final boss

[gaunt star]

Idk how I feel about the new arc

[dim sigil]

its to early to say not till 5.5

[random anvil]

you need to do like 100 quests to get somewhere interesting

[austere bear]

they did say it would take years. then we see 17 year old ukelele

mandatory adventuring age

[topaz dune]

||eden is perma stuck on the first so theres no way to using it on the 13th||

[mighty light]

||Also it's kinda dead?||

[random anvil]

just nuke it with light bruh

[late trail]

Patch 5.5 will be accompanied with a side story featuring Krile and Tataru blackmailing Estinien again. Source: trust me

[gloomy tide]

So the NPCs for Ryne and Gaia are gone gone now?

[austere bear]

i hope theres more content for them in future patches

[wary perch]

E11 is boring

Basically e8 father edition lol

[gloomy tide]

That's too bad cuz even Alpha is all over the place.

[pastel coyote]

naaah, void is for 7.0

[late trail]

I dunno, I kinda liked the boss being ||Ryne's daddy issues||

[torpid yoke]

Nah

We will go to the void eventually though

[gloomy tide]

whut is void?

[torpid yoke]

13th

[dim sigil]

its the mascot of a pizza branch

[bold condor]

no that's the noid, the void is when someone won't stop talking and you want them to stop

[quasi scaffold]

Homies, did anyone see|| Merl's dual pistols||??? Like come on, there's no way they'd animate a full skill for that if they couldn't care less. I'm legit praying for them to introduce a ||dual pistol class|| 😭

[bold condor]

Merlwyb's animations have been in the game since 1.0.

[viscid monolith]

They willn't

[vivid aurora]

hey out of curiousity after you finish the eden raid

[torpid yoke]

Its one animation

[vivid aurora]

are gaia/ryne somewhere in the crystarium?

[wary perch]

Where is the festival invitation?

[quasi scaffold]

Tears, should've been the original Machinist but nah, they had to make it just 1 gun

[torpid yoke]

the rest are mch's

[wary perch]

Wol is not invited after all this work?

[mighty light]

You explicitly were invited
Happens on the carride over

[winged panther]

Well, mchs get a gun and a lunchbox

[quasi scaffold]

dead

[mighty light]

The festival just hasn't happened yet
Or if it did it happened off-screen

[pastel coyote]

no booze, no wol

[viscid monolith]

Is it just me or does Valens look older? I swear he looked like a young man in 5.3.

[bold condor]

We never saw his face in 5.3.

We only saw his hairstyle.

[torpid yoke]

He looked blond before but now he's brunetteeeee

[viscid monolith]

Oh. I guess my mind filled in the blanks.

[dim sigil]

his sweaty build gave the idea he'd be younger i imaigned a more slender face

[viscid monolith]

Same

[pastel coyote]

can we imagine Nerva when we know Varis ?

[torpid yoke]

Nerva is just smooth varis like rommy says

[mighty light]

Hope we get to fight Valens
And I hope we hit him with like
One scathe and he just instantly goes down

One staff auto attack

Oh thought I was done with Emerald Weapon I guess I should shut up for now

[torpid yoke]

|| Inb4 zenos goes to eureka and gets a primal weapon to face us with||

[nocturne void]

zenos goes to eureka and gets the most dangerous weapon of all

[pastel coyote]

well maybe Zenos will show off the new job, who know

[torpid yoke]

also i think i know where this is going for yorha and the main enemy post 6.0

[nocturne void]

some guy yelling "PAZUZU UP YET?" ever 2 minutes

[torpid yoke]

at the end of yorha its gonna be Kon-shi and an-shi

also i want their hair >:/

[shell merlin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/761461255927889929/786108776981331998/image0.jpg?width=508&height=677

marketed on 10mil lol

I was sent this in my fc

[nocturne void]

it's okay nate

[shell merlin]

I made some gil now

about 4mil

[nocturne void]

Someone got calf leather in my map on a gamblers chest and walked away with 6 calf leather

[shell merlin]

jesus

[nocturne void]

🙂

[shell merlin]

its dropped but still

[polar star]

Jesus e12n is so annoying to heal when everyone is min ilvl

[shell merlin]

loool

[polar star]

It's not that I'm doing anything wrong, it's that this shit hits for 60k when my max hp is 99k

gonna finish msq tonight so I can hopefully move on to e9s or emerald ex tmrw

[robust sphinx]

so on the revelation of the convocation of 14 all being named after greek gods (as well as primordial gods), what could we assume our original name was?

[mighty light]

Ouranos
Clearly

[robust sphinx]

Why Ouranos?

And not Hestia, or Apollo?

(or even Chaos)

[mighty light]

Because uh
We're
Always looking at the sky
Or something

(Apollo would make the most sense but also like
Honestly they don't need to reveal our 'real' name and probably shouldn't)

[robust sphinx]

They kind of name dropped Artemis, meaning they could do it with us or the others eventually.

[mighty light]

I'm not saying they couldn't; I'm saying they shouldn't

[pastel coyote]

heh Helios seem the most obvious

[mighty light]

I forgot Helios existed tbh

[pastel coyote]

shame on you

[random anvil]

does anyone know what the track that plays in the empty after you finish Eden's Promise is?

[mighty light]

(They just throw a complete curveball and call us Sól)

[random anvil]

it sounds like some version of Where I belong

[pastel coyote]

we are supposed to be ~~ weeb ~~ scholar about various culture Stone, don't let us down

[subtle pasture]

We knew Valens would be a custom model since, well, Garlean. But his "base" was the old man elezen

and boy, is he ugly

Rommy have you done Werlyt

[dim sigil]

thats prob why i imagined a more slender face the elezen build

[torpid yoke]

We have our real name though. its our character name

[severe finch]

Valens van Varro looks like fucking joaquin phoenix to me

Especially from the joker movie

[torpid yoke]

Shame on you stone you know better

[mighty light]

I've brought shame upon my name and house

[subtle pasture]

Shout out to the Emet Fuckers who name their Azem "Persephone"

[mighty light]

Wait there's another Resistance quest after the ||failed test?||

[torpid yoke]

yes its for the conscripts

[mighty light]

Damn

[subtle pasture]

Blood of Emerald aaand I forget the name but it deals with this rando ex-engineer who knew Milisandia

[torpid yoke]

its only text

[mighty light]

That's fine, I like text

[torpid yoke]

we see rhat tat tats face

[subtle pasture]

--Oh, Resisatance, not Werlyt.

[torpid yoke]

he's hot

[pastel coyote]

wait resistance ? really ?

[mighty light]

Gotta speak to this cursed war-crime fanboy
(No, I was talking about Werlyt)

[subtle pasture]

Ohhh, the emerald EX unlock

[pastel coyote]

Stone

[mighty light]

No
The uh
Other one

The one where you go help the people who live in--the place, with the name

[foggy coyote]

Holy shit, I just saw the cutscene after the last Eden fight. That was the gayest thing I've ever seen in this game.

[subtle pasture]

Warmachina Fanatic is the EX unlock-- oh okay yeah, the one introducing Avilina

[torpid yoke]

Terncliff

[pastel coyote]

just call that weapon

[mighty light]

Terncliff! Yes!

(Also yeah Ryne and Gaia are extremely gay and the fact that they didn't just say that outright kind of annoys me)

[subtle pasture]

You know what like,

special effect, in the Werlyt cutscenes really surprised me.

[torpid yoke]

soken went mad with the music this patch

[subtle pasture]

||Alfonse with his siblings in his eye||

[pastel coyote]

is there a day he didn't ?

[subtle pasture]

also just his animations in that scene, like flopping over when the guard checks on him.

Love the nuance in these CS's lately

[mighty light]

Oh my god he made the claws actually fly

(Yeah the animation has been on point)

I don't think I've ever hated a minor NPC as much as I hate this man

[dim sigil]

wol being upset when we cant use g warrior

[subtle pasture]

Glad all my ideas that Alfonse was twisted and sacrificing his siblings were totally wrong,

[torpid yoke]

|| I love how he made the drums the marching of his army||

[subtle pasture]

Sad Allie is peak final girl struggles

[mighty light]

Yeah

Valens is really fun to hate, though

[subtle pasture]

Fandaniel's twistedness kept making me smile, somehow, no matter how much I hated it. Valens, well...

hate isn't strong enough a word

[torpid yoke]

Valens is hojo levels of evil

[mighty light]

Fandaniel is a delightful trash goblin
Valens is a monster

[subtle pasture]

...You think Avilina might be a mole,

[torpid yoke]

Fandaniel is now the definiton of trash goblin

[oak pike]

I hope valen die hard

[subtle pasture]

She worked with the engineers of the XIVth, Valens was in the same regiment, under Nero

[torpid yoke]

"I might have singed your friend SORRY NOT SORRY TE HE HEEEE"

[subtle pasture]

But nahh if Avilina was a mole she's being introduced far too late, considering all we got left is Diamond

[mighty light]

On the one hand, true

On the other: E9-E12 just happened

[subtle pasture]

If she came in after ruby with "I was Mili's friend, I use to be an engineer in the 14th under Nero," and then post-Emerald we learn "Valens was an engineer under Nero" instead of learning Valens first THEN her--

[mighty light]

???

[subtle pasture]

Because that's how the quest goes, Valens lore drop post-Emerald, then Avilina's introduction in the follow-up quest. If she was a spy introduced sooner then the Valens lore drop woulda foreshadowed it,

buuut I'm overthinking it, I want to trust her.

[mighty light]

Same

[torpid yoke]

Deep ground pash deep ground

[bold condor]

So having played through Eden, I think I understand Fandaniel a bit more.

[torpid yoke]

oh?

[bold condor]

I mean, obviously the usual way of making people accept their previous lives' memories isn't that... violent.

[half phoenix]

friend's asking about an onigiri emote and paintless paint emote from the live letter, he's imagining things right?

[subtle pasture]

Oh I needa go back over Mitron and Loghrif's Constellation Crystal murmurs now that we got a huge motivation dive in Eden,

[bold condor]

But Fandaniel clearly rejects the memories that he's keenly aware have been forced into him, and it's likely whatever life he had before becoming an Ascian was deliberately erased from his memories.

I think the man is hollow inside. He's got nothing to value and nothing to live for.

[torpid yoke]

i wanna know too

[mighty light]

I like that read

[torpid yoke]

just yoinked him up

[subtle pasture]

--oh ty,

[torpid yoke]

interesting how fandannys is the most incomplete (Not like it says anything interesting)

[mighty light]

Nabriales be like--

[subtle pasture]

I'm unclear if the Crimson Crystal's ambiguity is a matter of attunement-- the first stone we interact with-- or something more, aye.

[maiden lodge]

What are your thoughts on the Telophoroi, and the implication Fandaniel is not alone in this?

[torpid yoke]

our 7.0 villains Kappa

[bold condor]

I think this Ascian fallout chapter is spicy. "Emet-Selch was sad once, and we pity him, but also he directly led to the creation of people who would bring about the same calamity that ruined his world."

[subtle pasture]

It's literally just around Lyse putting "Nerva" in quotation marks but I did get the soft implication Zenos had siezed control of his second cousin's Legion

[bold condor]

Also Lunar Bahamut. Moon zone confirmed.

[torpid yoke]

Thats what i said :D

[mighty light]

That wizard came from the moon

[bold condor]

We're going to piss on the moon.

How do you like that, Raubahn, you idiot?

[maiden lodge]

I also think the greek name might imply it's of Amaurotine age.

[torpid yoke]

We are getting closer and closer to 5.5 having zodiark sigil lighting up till 6.0

[subtle pasture]

Anyone get like, solidly worried someone was tempered when Lunar Baha breathed on theem all

[half phoenix]

So we have Lahabrea, who is unknown, Elidibus, who is unknown, Emet-Selch, who is Hades, Azem, who is unknown, Mitron, who is Artemis, Loghrif, who is Gaia.... missing any red masked ascians/ancients?

[polar star]

I'm about to do the MSQ instance, i think this patch MSQ wise is a solid 9/10

[bold condor]

I was worried, yes.

[mighty light]

(Fandaniel also calls himself a "sovereign individual," which is interesting)

[fossil aurora]

|| has anyone started a collection of where the towers are showing up yet?||

[subtle pasture]

The shot of Alisaie, specifically Alisaie, the only one picking herself up had me

[bold condor]

Literally all the others. There's Thirteen of them (not counting Azem), Rak.

[maiden lodge]

I've seen one in Yanxia, so far.

[foggy coyote]

I was worried about why they were all dumb enough to stand there and take that shit to the face. Somebody pop a damned cooldown, for fuck's sake.

XD

[half phoenix]

||Upper La Noscea, Southern Thanalan, South Shroud, Yanxia, Lochs||

[maiden lodge]

I didn't see any in CCL, the Ruby Sea, or Azem Steppes yet

[bold condor]

Imagine attacking in a cutscene in FFXIV.

[subtle pasture]

Mitron even flat out says that ||Elidibus moved on to another Shard of Mitron rather than free him from Eden||

[bold condor]

Emet-Selch.

[torpid yoke]

I thought he said emet

[bold condor]

And he said he intended to, not that he did. Mitron has no way of knowing.

[subtle pasture]

Close 'nough, sounds like an Emet move though

[half phoenix]

"yet"there probably won't be any

[mighty light]

He says that he'd expect Elidibus to do that

[bold condor]

But given the timing, it's unlikely that he actually raised a new Mitron.

[mighty light]

^
Mitron has also been a giant floating light zombie for the past century; it's understandable that he'd be somewhat bitter

[maiden lodge]

Also the implication that a blade of light can accidentally a sin eater--nay, THE sin eater...

[torpid yoke]

unhinged you mean

[subtle pasture]

Trying to reach out to incarnations of his girlfriend

[bold condor]

tfw no gf

[subtle pasture]

...well, not his girlriend, Mitron's girflfriend, of which he is a shard of and she is too, which rubbed me the wrong way for sure.

[bold condor]

Quick note, and I'm probably overthinking this. Mitron's original self was named Artemis, who is traditionally female. Would that not imply that, while this incarnation of Mitron was a man, the past incarnation may have been a woman?

[mighty light]

Dunno

[fossil aurora]

|| has anyone mapped the towers yet?||

[maiden lodge]

Possibly, but also Artemis is a reference to Ultimecia

[bold condor]

Well yes.

[subtle pasture]

My first reaction was both "that explains the boobs" and 'why is he a dude"

[bold condor]

Same reason Azem's reincarnations can be a dude and a girl, fivehead.

[mighty light]

Where do you start the new void quests?
Cylva?

[torpid yoke]

yes

[subtle pasture]

Aye, right after Safekeeping

[mighty light]

Thanks

Just wanna get all of this done so I can focus entirely on studying tomorrow

[maiden lodge]

Yeah, PoE's design having elements of Ultimecia, a fertility idol to Artemis, and Eden, both the GF and the Biblical.... that's... that's a lot to unpack.

[subtle pasture]

its thighs are dudes in cages, man.

[torpid yoke]

HA i get it logriff was both mitrons GF and His Gf

[mighty light]

(I was technically right about E12 being Eden Prime again, even if I was wrong about literally everything associated with that prediction, and I will take that Pyrrhic victory to my grave)

[maiden lodge]

Sineaters in cages, specifically

[torpid yoke]

I mean to be fair stone

[foggy coyote]

My fav fight was Than'jit

[subtle pasture]

I called an ascian prime abomination, part of which is an extension of Eden, just had it wrong who the ascians were

[maiden lodge]

Dream Daddy

[foggy coyote]

[torpid yoke]

Forgiven Protector Kappa

[maiden lodge]

I liked Shadowkeeper

Cyvla go hard!

[mighty light]

My favourite was E11
Didn't like E9, was fine with E10 and E12

[cyan pecan]

I got this

Apparently is a new housing item

[maiden lodge]

So, having finished Eden, I can say Eden, narratively, is my favorite raid series, and part of it is because the fights narratively matter outside of 'This is something that stands in our way'

And that's the first time they've really been important narratively

[foggy coyote]

Agree. I really liked how integrated with the world and the characters it was.

[cyan pecan]

Can someone tell me if that's a new housing item?

[mighty light]

No idea

[torpid yoke]

probably since its a furnishing

[cyan pecan]

My mentor friends said its a new one

[maiden lodge]

Yeah, especially when you contrast with BCoB, Alexander, or Omega, where the first narratively relevant fights were T9, A7, and O10

[mighty light]

(Omega is still my favourite, but nothing in Eden hit me as hard as Omega's goodbye in the last savage unlock, or, er, O9-O12 in general.)

[maiden lodge]

Eden's fights felt more proactive, like things we were doing to drive the plot forward and that meant they could be more narrative in the fights

[foggy coyote]

If I were to nitpick the story, I wish there was more time so that Gaia's development wasn't so rushed in the 2nd Act, but I know they only get 3 acts to work with. So I give it like a half pass.

[austere bear]

out of context gaia's storyline is super silly

[maiden lodge]

Yeah, I think they could have done with introducing Gaia as a person in Act 1, even if it's just at the end

[amber loom]

Who put the damn towers up

[mighty light]

Gaia's development is fine IMO
It's Mitron I'm more frustrated with

[austere bear]

exboyfriend got out of prison only to find out his gf is dating a girl

[maiden lodge]

WHO WHO WHO WHO

[bold condor]

I think what Eden needed was what YorHa keeps getting.

[maiden lodge]

Interstitial quests?

[bold condor]

A quest in the off-patches, yes.

[amber loom]

I did get that done

[maiden lodge]

Yeah. I can't disagree. I like what I got though--it actually did give me a closure on the First and answered 'How did this happen?'

[obtuse plume]

Mitron and Gaia is reincarnated Squall And Rinoa

[austere bear]

its nice to know we have an asican on our side thats not scheming anything

[foggy coyote]

Some people have been poo-pooing the inbetween YoRHa stuff, but I LOVE those. Because it helps with fleshing stuff out. So yes, absolutely.

I want more of that for other things, if they can manage it.

[maiden lodge]

Eh, it's the main story stuff in YorHa that's bleh.

....wait. I just realized the stakes of Eden are nothing more than a teenager fighting an ex over a girl.

[polar star]

What materials do you need for crafted gear

[foggy coyote]

Hmm, I should rather say I love the idea of them. Because I do agree the main YoRHa plot is, um...

Yeah.

[wary perch]

Gaia is not ascian if she is not ascended with her original memory though

[amber loom]

Fandeniel

[mighty light]

I'm going to wait to decide how I feel about Eden for a few more days
Right now I'm leaning towards "dissatisfied" but that might just be tiredness

[austere bear]

its tough to beat Omega's ending

[maiden lodge]

I mean the things Eden needed to answer, it answered and logically.

[austere bear]

lorewise its pretty great

[maiden lodge]

Though Mitron might have gotten further if he'd just said 'Look, my life's been shit, can you free me, and we'll go get some coffee biscuits?'

[austere bear]

it explained a lot of things

[obtuse plume]

For me only E12 make sense , lore wise

E9 to E11 seems like a filler episode

[austere bear]

Mitron got screwed. meanwhile Cyvelle and Gaia got off free

[mighty light]

🤔

[dim sigil]

she was now tho wasnt that what happened