#retired-patch-6-3-discussion
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always has been
It's obviously KH3
mlp
like their first eden endeavor turned the crystal gay what more proof do we need
im just happy merlwyb content
what genre was weapon ? seinen (with bad writing if that's the case) ?

Mecha
So, people expecting Savage to have another song?
TIme to drop G-gundam on the colonies
the Werlyt saga seems to be pulling stuff together from a lot of different things
mostly Gundam, a bit of Evangelion, a bit of American Psycho
Theres 4 songs data mined soooo
Final floors always do, tbf.
4 songs that we haven't heard yet?
4 total
Titan Maximum had PRIMALS Under the Weight in final phase, Shiva had Footsteps in the Snow for her P1,
not new tracks, mind, but, more songs than their normal
Think
Matoya, Emerald, Cloud + Fenrir, E11 and E12
Nay. 4 for eden
...I haven't done E8N in a few months, did it have footsteps P1
Gotcha then
brain is just TURN THE LIGHT ON
Does Gaia have unique emote animations?
E12 has such an extended intermission, but boy is it neat @-@
how long is the msq?
I want to say 5 hours.
Working through Void Quests: Is Unukalhai ||a shard of Nyelbert
||
||...no wait it's gonna be our own innit||
Hey, what's in the Venture Coffer? Is that new?
||I keep staring at the purple eyes, sure that's a clue||
Here Ill put it this way. Check your orchestrion list if you want the answer to if there's another theme for extreme.
||Taynor was the first thought bc of 'em,
||
|| I at first thought Nyelbert too, but then i saw how hard they were hammering those two being similar. I think Unukalhai is Taynor's shard ||
I am currently not subbed and my experience of new patches is listening to the songs, but thank you anyways :,D @maiden lodge
Then I'll just say it here then. ||The Extreme||
4 person mount
Well it's a cerberus
so is balamb garden's theme an orchestrion roll yet or nah?
Cerberus is indeed FF8 related, but we must wait until e12s gets cleared to see
bout to do e9n
Have fun
:)
FF, you can't just ||drop mystery towers|| on us and then walk off explaining nothing.
it's called having patches
I hate cliffhangers.
||I went to check their character data on garland, Unu's eyes are 17,2 and Taynor uses 18,2
||
And I know in 5.5 we'll find out but it'll be an even bigger cliffhanger until the expansion.
||Nyel's eyes are farrrr off in silver/blue though,||
||The tower in yanxia is easier to see than the others I've seen so far.||
Aye, he was in the Rift for over a century, since he would have been Nyelbert's age
Might be some connection just by the void
True, true. We're just 🔍 that ||Taynor calls Unu's aether familiar||
ho i didn't check for myself the other tower, how stupid of me..... and i should talk with grandma Mol, maybe she have new line
...Hey Void Quests, don't think I forgot ||Unu will apparently eventually need a vessel||
coffee biscuit savage

I'd assume that's a Known Issue, time to check
well grandma say nothing new
It is not 
I love this stupid feature
They just had to squeeze in a damn /say objective at the very end, at least there's no one around to embarrass myself
True, also bc that'd make that a non-solo instanced zone
and like, damn, it needs to be shared.
Though I expect a fair number of Uwu Gaia step on me.
Fine from grown lady Gaia, not this one 
i need to resub
Also the mystery of the lips discovered, she's a young Highlander
y'all are making 5.4 sounds fascinating
It's okay. It's nice to finish things up and do the last tier
Oh okay emerald, don't even keep us guessing for the next 3 months on what the Diamond oversoul'll be
wait it spoils what is diamond's oversoul?
Soon as I saw that brought that to Emerald, there's kinda only one way to top it
Just casually drops it in a cutscene yeah
it does
O_o
Really?
I thought i dislike the armor for tombs
WHERE THE FUCK IS MY FUNDS LIFE. LET ME RESUB
Its Gaius isn't it.
I fucking love it
the detail is so nice
on the cryptlurker gear
you shouldn't be here if you didn't clear the patch 
|| Emerald is Gaius, Zenos is Diamond||
shh i was here for pictures
I didn't bother doing em weapon yet
No title for completing the Void Quests reeee
Still waiting on GF to patch so we can clear together
clips on Living Memory and cries
https://ffxivcollect.com/titles @subtle pasture 5
the next weapon is Golden with Giorno soul, trust me
||Great Ship Vylbrand||pog
I mean there's still Jade weapon 
i mean we only have room for one more Trial
so it'll be Diamond
Still its a missed opportunity. Diamond shouldve been Solus Zos Galvus
Diamond still could be Solus, they seem to be having issues getting Zenos' data working
clearing the patch in one day (no EX, to bad for it), guess i can take a break and do my roulette tomorrow
Does it say ||Zenos|| or just ||Galvus data||
It says || Zenos ||
||They do outright say Zenos yae Galvus||
rip, so much for royal family weapon
does anyone have a checklist for all the new stuff you can do this patch? just finished MSQ and don't know where to go
they outright want to ||HUNT ||
Eden
Also WOW Valen is actually disgusting, and I want to kill him
I'm still fairly early in the MSQ, far enough to ||have suddenly fuckin' cry tears of happiness for Ga Bu||, shortly before the dgn I presume.
Thats such a waste. We've already seen ||Zenos|| and Varis. Gib Solus
"Oh cool he gets way worse!"
Also, ||Nerva|| finally mentioned in MSQ poggers
Milk drinking intensifies
pash
who's ||nerva|| again?
Er, their relation.
yeah i must admit VvV even disgust me, not that his personality shock me but he sound like a worm to me
||Legatus of the Third, and Varis' cousin.||
oh

glad we have such outright evil
i like how they made joke about the whole jif vs gif
they did ?
Got a bangle
yeah the last 1
There's a roleplayer on Balmung with a big showboat stage persona of the "Emerald Eorzean,"-- are they both the Wizard of Oz references 
Jumetrous Jade Giant
Also holy SHIT forgot to mention this. Soken went HARD on Emerald Phase 2
Like my GOD, calm down man
Inb4 Diamond weapon gets jebaited and we fight UwU in Diamond normal instead. Queue tears
JOD*
this patch was pretty charged with...... totally not serious/stupid answer
speaking of jebaits, bc I did watch some of emerald accidentally while listening to the track,
my favorite being || can i use the CT to open a portal to the void ? pleaaaaase ||
||so trailer tricked us on who'ss the pilot, again huh||
||it did? FUCK||
Baited
|| b b b baiteddddddd ||
so it was ||rex as the pilot after all?||
woah I didn't know the crystal in the empty was LBTQ supportive
well at which point the trailer didn't trick us ?
ye
I mean I was expecting ||gaius|| to be the Diamond oversoul not ||zenos||.
||why did he drag off the sister then hmmmm, i better resub soon||
There was the shot of Allie, in shock, being dragged away by Rex, which I and some others presumed was ||Alfonse saying he'd pilot Emerald||
don't you dare answer it
Ah so basically the piot was ||exactly who the story said would be months ago||
lol
Lissen Dis, they already broke the color theory with Ricon and Sapphire 
then don't click on spoiler you silly 
True
I CAN'T HELP IT, I WANNA KNOW TOO
Dunno if this question goes here or not, but where do i get those wings?
The trailer told us one thing though
yeah, told us that we'd fight cod again
|| gaia was indeed logriff||
funny that we were "all" wrong about the || tower origin, it's totally not void/mhach related it seem ||
Mgp
ITS BS I TELL YA
The trailer clearly states Titania is best Girl/Guy/Yes
|| mitron and logriff were close ||
Best King 
||fair enough.||
Yes
Specifically, one could say Feo Ul is the best Titania
||WAIT, that means ryne is mitron! POGchamp||
bc Titania is their title, adding "King" onto is a filthy mortal simplification
|| no??????||
i was meming
Its what they want
||considering they're all buddy you know lol||
The new healer crafted set looks so fucking good
And if what they want doesn't get us turned into leafmen
then it's fine
I literally took a breeak from MSQ bc Matoya's Cave is so far from an aetheryte
and I've flew 20 feet and stopped like 4 times now to tab back to here
...now I'm flying into the cliff face
its right by idyllshire
It's the far end of the Hinterlands from either the Prologue or Epilogue gate 
Im also patiently waiting for the Ultima warrior mount. Which will obviously have no offensive abilities. Sadface.jpg
just find the path on the floor at start of the canyon and follow it to a wall
Yep
sooooooooo can you pet the barmaid ? 
oh shit, an Ascian
--that's how you pronounce Galuf?
mitron
Gahluhf, not Guhloof
Bartz where?
||Matoya mentioning him and Krile often spoke of G'raha
||
Inb4 6.0 adds riastrad to WAR
krile is the only popoto allowed to speak to me
||Alisaie: In case you've ever wondered, Alphinaud got his innocent streak from our mother. And it can be rather endearing─even useful in certain situations.||
Man, so much twins lore, Sharlayan is lookin more and more likely,
Tataru or riot
||or, a dead twin. ||
now that i think about it and correct me if i'm wrong (i will not): it wasn't our beast-tribe bro that Merlwyb invited right ?
We've already been to Sharlayan 

i wanted to see Father Novv
well maybe 5.5 cause what we did with the kobold must be done with the seafolk
HAH, IT WAS THAT FIRST BUILDING I LOOKED AT,
surprised the Relict wasn't behind more glamours
I guess we have an answer to how Ryne will visit the source. 🤔
Cylva has new dialogue after clearing Eden
no ?
||doing the eden promise story and 3rd quest in,eden is mitron's body aborbed by light,talk about a shocking twist,cant wait to see how we can end him for good hopefully bt the end of this||
haaa yes, i was thinking it would be something like that
One brings telophone
WHY IS THIS SO SAD!?! /nier
The real twist will be that Fandaniel isn't a nihilist but your average angry emo teen
Still wondering how the towers factor into Zodiark being revved
Or that he only cares to end the Source
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Ga Bu VA tho
Ga bu is life
@gaunt star probbly trying to force the source into a rejoining,if i remember correctly only 1 more rejoining is needed for his revival,which will probbly be a big part of the next expansion
heh no ?
He only needs 8 shards? Wtf
i think the shards and source will be brought together at some point for sure.
I should check later cause i'm tired, but i don't remember at any time that he said that the tower are related to zodiark
@gaunt star he'll probbly be a weakened form
we know a world where 8 rejoining succeed and zodiark wasn't awakened by it
Well unless we can charge mama hydaelyn it won't matter anyway
Since we all know where this is going
all we know about the tower is that they are needed for a new Final Day.... if Zodiark will awaken during this he will try to fix it cause.... well it's his job
he said the thing
well that's the funny thing with this kind of..... value
they are resonating a pulse of sorts
you can twist it the way you want them to be
a sound? if you will?
So it's possible then
possibly, purely on hypothesis, a sound wave that disrupts aetheric flow?
did square enix listen to healers???
The Telophoroi might have always been there
crit det on healer weapon 
535 
The Telophoroi might have been the ancients who made the Final Days in the first place, with Fandaniel's original an infiltrator
The use of a greek name for them actually does lend itself in that direction...
Plot twist: we end up allied with the acians and zodiark against the terminus creatures again in 6.0

both of them
I mean I think they're down to two? Not counting fannypack
uhhh
Before someone think about it: there is really no chance that we could untempered the ascian given how much effort we need it to do it for a tiny priest of titan
we would need a CT for each try
any of them could be allied with him
That's a question of aetheric scale. Just gotta throw enough crystals at the problem--which.... we can... if peace with the beastmen holds
|| since mitron is probably gonna die||
Emerald Weapon stuff.
need to update that chart, quick
Theres enough shards left to use the crystals of 
I mean || Mitron does die || Eden spoiler
Though I am disappointed that || Mitron's true name is Artemis, and not Ouranos ||
but || we need to correct Loghrif ||
Inb4 WoL just goes to the other shards, merges with his pieces, and goes ultra instinct on weakened zodiark-Zenos
No, we get Thancred and Ran'jit vibes from the e11 boss
That chart is already pretty bad using the legacy symbol for Azem
Its thancred mixed with ranjit mixed with inno
It has some Vauthry mixed in
And its poggers
with the wings at the back looking like a sin eater
Before i go to bed, something bug me..... Fandaniel did say something about Zenos as being "whole", not sure how to interpret it.
Or having all
rip Ultemicia fight tho
youd think they would have found a place for it by now
I really hope the memory platforms aren't in savage
I hope it's not as long and drawn out as it was in normal mode, at least
I don't want to hear Gaia picking out stuff every pull
Emet didn't || put by force different shard in Zenos and try to make him complete riiiight ||?
Blerg, I just don't like the break in the nice music the memory platforms cause... or Gaia.
its going to be worse 
have you finished the msq yet?
The last part of the msq left a bad taste in my mouth
like, Lunar Bahamut? Seriously? Thing doesn't look intimidating and couldn't even kill the footsoldiers we were with.
ofc i did
Got the minion with a 95
the graveyard don't wait so hurry
I just want to fight bahamut zero to see that Terraflare in 4k
oh yea. It's possible the other sundered ascians arnt tempered
The REAL terraflare. From S P A C E
It's a hint we going to the moon next
the most interesting thing this patch was the Telethia name drop. whatever that means
has that shown up in any other FF?
Well, they have to do something with the terminus mystery
telethia? you mean the Telephoroi?
wellll second boss of the dungeon broke
6.0 should give us an idea of what the sound is
Shouldn't anyone be able to block tempering now by looking at an image of falling stars?
it's just, standing in the middle doing nothing. after its adds phase
how?
Yes that.
And why Zodiark probably isn't the enemy we think. Though thats obvious
it tethered to the side pipes and then just, froze 
Telessia are from xenoblade you ....... dummy 

I mean we already kinda know zodiark isnt the emeny we think
And they revealed Fandaniel as your most basic villain
that's a shame, running Matoya's Relict on trusts, which I notice G'raha's movement is, a little funky too
this patch have his lot of "basic" vilain
I mean they can extrapolate more later
At least Valens' cruelty is characterized well
so are the towers visible around the world or not really
I can't take Fandaniel seriously
Well they painted Zodiark as the generic evil god until 5.0. Then we had our minds blown. Then again, Zodiark isn't evil in FF12 either
They are supposedly everywhere
heeeeh for the game award maybe he can win the "best dad in game" thing who know
don't worry Xuan he don't take us seriously either
I mean he's threatening us with something that looks weaker than Shinryu
He torched the RM and nobody died.
its a trick to let your guard down. Also looks can be decieveing xuan
Fandaniel isn't worth killing. He literally not worth pointing my spear at.
Dont judge a book by it's cover lest it actually be a snake
Also
Red Comet did look weak too and see how much death he leave behind him 
we literally defeated 2 fused sundered ascians this patch. Like cmon.
Xuan you should know better by now
....We just met him personally this patch
i wonder if Aymeric learn the Sun Dance 
G a r b a g e
how you gonna judge a character's threat level when we just met him
thing about Fandaniel is that all the other ascians were bound by some level of honor and didnt want to just immediatly kill everything. Fandaniel is just full on Kefka so while he is technically weaker than the ascians we've fought thus far he is much more dangerous
I have my reservations about Zenos but at least he's a relatively novel concept for a Villain. Fandaniel is the most vanilla villain ever.

Do you like zenos?
Zenos is daddy
@forest magnet I dont think the point of fandaniel's character is to be seen as serious
And yes, there's a tower in Yanxia.
i still feel like fandaniel is running a facade of some kind
Choke me UwU
and yet he IS the most serious
He probably is
most likely he is
I mean is he actually a nihilist?
If Fandaniel was truly strong he would've just offed Elidibus
Kefka was actually interesting. Fandango isnt
but just like a certain beast everyone seems to be jumping to conclusions already about him
I'm still confused as to -what- the towers are? I feel like I was missing something. 😛
I mean ofc we are
They will help to make another final days. Prob to wake up zodiark
we dont know shit yet
its all set up for next stuff
i think they're introducing the towers but aren't really explaining them yet
Fandona might be screwing with us but he's just so unthreatening
don't let you tricked by thinking Zenos weeb phase is over. He's gonna find a new weapon, as long as sephiroth
ngl. matoya's relic sucked
has anyone clocked how many towers there are?
i dunno if I expected too much but that dungeon was lame as hell
i count 6
Gotcha, so I didn't miss something. However, the part where someone was all.. like.. y'know... tempered was interesting.
Again he's a sunderded ascian @forest magnet he IS canonically weaker then the others we've fought so far but unlike the others he has no sense of honor or duty so that makes him much more dangerous in the short term
@faint dagger mechanics are cool but yah its not much
you're salty cause you wipe at the 2nd boss 
We are also technically sundered ascians
even reskinned glam in it
(( I love the dungeon, it is actually my new fav aesthetics wise, it is mega cute))
Fandaniel isn't stupid enough to fight us head on.
^This too
But our job is to travel
no we are sundered ancients
We are not an ascian. Not even sundered.
was that the water boy? that was basic
zenos I believe is sundered
Fandangula knows he dosent want the smoke because WoL has those hands
yeah i love the look of the dungeon, especially the rainbow lake
Zenos is also Sundered
gimme an hammer so i can smite those who called us ascian
I mean if he thinks discount Bahamut can beat us he's mistaken
the earth dude with the balls was our only death n that's cause i let one of the dps get ohkoed
lmfao
Everyone is. There are no more unsundered left anywhere on Hydaelyn. Except the dragons.
it was basic but it remind me and a lot of people of the frog boss mech so no one take the water
I saved the dumb healer at the mudball cause they didnt know what to do untilbeing hit 2 times
so I TBN them on the 3rd and they barely lived
and maybe hydaelyn herself
again we 1. barely saw what it does and 2. could end up stronger than any other concept since ya know looks are not everything
unsundered ascians are all dead, the last one was Elidubus
Dont forget we are close to being on par with ascians
Findonga will probably pull off another rejoining though.
we collected part of our soul
And we keep getting stronger too
Thats not his plan at all
not THAT close, we still need a half dozen parts of our soul
If anything our current next expansion area is the ruined ARR zones after the towers blow up
I thought our character is an Ascian? 0_o
half ?
@zenith turret closer than anyone else is ever gonna get
why do that when he can just destroy everything
Of course it isn't his plan but it'll probably happen anyway
also no we dont need half
damn i want Cali and Rommy here (so they can suffer too)
ok more like 5
I doubt this the case. Probably closer into ilsabard
Ok guys. Ascians are the doomsday cult we are fighting. Ancients are the race they were that died off 13000 years ago. The race the Ascians seek to restore.
Azem still needs.... 5 more shards?
im assuming the story is going to go that way where we eventually get all of our soul back
I forget. We have 8 right?
i think?
doubt it since that would require rejoinings which we killed the ones leading that. And we have 9 shards
NEIN 
yah we cant fully rejoin nor do I think we will
And so does graha
unless we visit
Yeah with how MMO overworlds I doubt that's the case, making a facetious conjecture. However the current expac story seems to be "waltz into Garlemald and fight Zenos."
and stopping the towers
that would require killing our shards which we are not about so no
Everyone living on the source is a sundered ancient. We aren't the only one. Us being a sundered Ancient isn't what makes us special. Being a sundered portion of Azem also, most likely does nit make us special.
^
yeah those towers are just... there
What's weird is that the towers seem to spawn dread beasts like lunar bahamut, but brainwash people into worshipping Garlemald.
yah being part of azem is what made us so special, and why our crystal mom was like
"WAKE UP BITCH ITS TIME"
spawn dread animals?
Like I said earlier, we might be able to get our shards to willingly fuse. But I dont think they will do that for 6.0
corrected
What ancient is krile then?
@gaunt star they said after the zod and crystal mum ark isnt the end of ffxiv
A random one
Sick
But why would we need to do that?
we dont nor will do that
Remember. All Ancients had a more powerful version of the Echo.
only happened once willing AFTER 1 WHOLE EXPANSION
Depends on the 6.0 writer
does matoya dungeon have new glam?
they probably arent gonna blow up the starting zones cause thats one of the main reasons people hated WoW Cataclysm
But only some people awaken the echo.
@gaunt star no it doesn't
cause they arent gonna suddenly have us with every soul to beat zenos or whatever
Man i really like Shadowkeeper's fight
It's like you took the starboard larboard bullshit we all hate but made it fun
SoooonTM
eh
it's worse because you have to look for a black spire, and looking for that admist a giant black colored enemy sucks
I just want more references to my class in 6.0. Unlike 5.0 where I got jebaited
the giant towers reminds me of deadspace with those towers
Has anyone cleared Than'jit yet?
The markers? Yep similar effects.
Don't worry. They don't even tell you which one it is in Savage
@gaunt star ye
No, ppl have seen enrage tho, at least on stream
You'll be wishing for starboard and larboard
how do you tell then
@viscid monolith oh no
Look at the tail
Whatever he didn't do last?
Do we know what the new hair will be from?
oh, that's stupid
You have to watch the tail or head. While doing other mechanics.
tbh I cleared E11 without knowing which colored circles were safe lol
Inb4 the entire fight is RNG
Gaia is a fucking Ascian? what the fuck?
at least Omega was scripted
Welcome to 5.4
tbh we should've seen this coming since her real name is greek.
The Wham episodes don't stop there
I smacked myself in the forehead when I realized.
oh shit, an Ascian Prime
I was too focused on her lips and that outfit and how much I wanted that glam
remember kids if your name is greek you are a decendant of an acient demi-god like civilization
did the person who posted the "1.0 ascians look cool" in the xiv subreddit do a leak, lmao
Plus mitron being shown we could have guessed. (And we saw her in the trailer too)
tbh we assumed mitron was in a flashback
@forest magnet it's not the first time we have seen that form
I still want that glam
I know, but the timing is too convient
but yea this is not something you just throw in a raid storyline and just let it lie there
I see posts about 1.0 ascians every 2-3 weeks
I want to find out when that hair is coming out 😮
the eden raids are most likely gonna be required content sometime in 6.X
hopefully not required for MSQ 👀
Everybody gangsta till their kid is named Argus
What new hair? Have we seen it yet?
Oh it is gonna be required for MSQ
I saw it posted in here earlier
we could tell it wasnt a flashback from the background
Alph hair is probs cash shop
You dont just let the revelation of a sundered ascian just not be in MSQ
Other hair style likely Ishgard
Lyse's VA is fantastic
Yes. But lyse isn't
There was a few new voices this patch, it was really annoying xD

oh no let's ttalk about something funner in here than lyse bad
🤔
Hopefully that brainwashed solider put her out of her misery then.
that's boring talk
tbf I dont think Cid has had a voice since HW so him changing wasnt that big of a surprise
How about Ga Bu's VA sounding like the kid who says "Please sir may i have some more"
was he, voiced in HW
A lot of the voice acting was weird this patch ;-;
yes a few times
Are you sure? Or am I tripping that I thought he had lines in 4.- omega raids
things I expected a young Kobold to sound like: not that.
"Please Alisae may I have some more."
He last spoke in 3.4? I believe?
@lapis topaz Mostly cause they are all working from home so they dont have studio quality mics
I wasn't expecting fae to sound like Irish men but here we are
was it voiced, I can't recall, but it's been so long I'd definitely forgotten what it remotely sounded
the world of FFXIV is just a parallel universe of the British Isles
I think it was?
Square Enix: I see what you did there
@autumn heron yeah i was thinking that
(jade being its own weapon and all)
Wasn't Jade like a swarm of bees or something wild like that?
I dont remember last order well
should i do matoyas relict with trusts or is there not much going on and i can just do it with DF
Jade Weapon was like a weird beetle thing from the Before Crisis mobile game
Wait or was it before crosis?
Jade weapon is the stealth bomber
inb4 we fight it with g-warrior
Inb4 it dies in a cutscene
nice one Koji
Luckily Lyon linked this earlier and timestamped it. https://youtu.be/4j2W4cJFWBs?t=2026
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FINAL FANT...
i could maybe see it as a battle in a G-Warrior Solo Instance
but the final Trial will likely still be fighting against Diamond Weapon
I believe this is Cid's previous last spoken line
Before Crisis
Omeger 
I'm really hoping this actually ends up ||being the way that Valens gets taken out himself, if Alfonse and/or others can somehow get him into Diamond's cockpit instead||
Valen is such a complete douche
putting a man who just likes to hunt anything and then trying to command them.
I agree. Fuck Valens. With his weird, milk drinking, glistening-with-sweat-in-front-of-a-bunch-of-kids creepy ass.
He's so over the top it's kind of goofy
It is, but it makes him memorable and stand out from other villains in XIV
Wow Valens is an idiot
So we've got fandaniel the nihilist, Zenos the hedonist, and Valens the goofball
Whether he's in that cockpit or not, it's his funeral. Either we kill him or person possessed by Zenos elwho is also piloting a giant mecha will kill him.
i'm pretty sure that's not what nihilism is
I have not gotten to the MSQ yet and am only going off what others said
too busy losing my shirt in the market
Nihilism is the belief that everything is meaningless
The MSQ is a bit...meh this time
Well yea, this isnt meant to be some huge bombastic thing
we are setting up for the next expansion
Great to have Merlwyb action again but now she won't be relevant again until...pffft...8.3
She's too badass for the story
5.55 needs to be big send off this time
the X.4 and X.5 patches are usually pretty slow
Because 4.55 sure wasn't
prologues is the word you're looking for
usually all msq patches are slow except .3
So how excited is everyone to wait for over a year until next tier
well we get an ultimate to make it shorter
can't be excited without knowing what comes
i mean we haven't had 4.55 yet, that'll be in a few months
The Expansion is probably August or September of next year
well next tier is the next expansion so Id say pretty excited
4.5 will probably come in Late March
And we're getting an Ultimate in March ir April
*5.5
5.5
wait i misread and then misremembered
I meant 5.45, not 4.55
also holy shit finally bozja said aloud
eh in germanic languages J is pronounced as Y in english
could just be how she pronounces it
boha
What
boo-a
Fucking Bozya?
Right, and Bozja is derived from Slavic
bah
Bah-yah?
BozYAAAAS QUEEN
BYA
Bahzya, to be precise
Baja blast
boo-a
My god, e11s has TRIOS
isn't that a tortillias brand?
just beat e12 normal,chaotic as fuck but god if that ost isnt awesome
Gotta say, E10 was a lot harder
TRIOS?
@oak pike|| the fatebreaker will make copies of himself,if u remember the burn dragons phase where u cant see,its basically that but beefed up||

Oh that.
Yeah, I felt like a total pog champ when I figured that out obv before we wiped to it obv I'm not a scrub obv guys
I CALLED IT...sorta.
#archived-lore-spoilers message
i'm still caling it bozja with a hard j, they can't stop me
I haven't done the nier quest yet
Not looking at anything but holy shit whoever had to animate ||Valens|| deserves a stiff drink, a vacation and some therapy.
Man, "Futures Rewritten" has a lot more meanings than expected,
just like how I refuse to say "ROO-gah-din" or "alla-GAN"
The Hildy animation team has had their hands empty so
hello yes friends i need glam pictures of the faux hallows coffer stuff and the dungeon healing/aiming sets thanks
I'm tearin' up at this Merlwyb speech, everything's so hopeful rn 
... how rose would you pronounce Allagan.
|| Mitron got a nice send off considering we only met them this patch||
when does it all go to shit
Yeah, I was wondering what's in the cashmere coffer
6.0 obv
||i kinda wish we could get to the garlean civil war stuff, but matoya's relict is a really fun dungeon, swings and roundabouts||
the trusts are stupid in the dungeon
AL-la-gin, versus al-la-GUN
Alla-Gan?
Emet pulls stress on the last syllable of Allagan, but everyone else says it like the first one Pash just said
Just a matter of pronounciation
Well
yeah I say Al-la-gun
He was there, I guess he'd know.
GUN
Yeah, I was like, "Emet made them, so technically his is right... But this is like the thing with gif vs jif. I don't care what the creator says. They're WRONG."
Well at least some of my wild takes end up being correct 🙂
Always remember,
Ha-lone vs Ha-lon-ney
lmao
Like...baloney?
I don't remember him ever saying it, when was that?
Haloney Baloney
...was it a nee or a nay
@ Ha-lone
It's like Namine, no?
i think he says it when he talks to the crystal exarct asking how he ||time travels||
leave ha-lone!
Aah, that makes sense
man it sucks we're going from such a great antagonist, to some edgelord nihilist who wants to kill everyone because "it's fun and i want to die xd", and another one who wants to do nothing in life except fight his waifu/husband - just finished the msq and that is my main impression
fandaniel is really weak and zenos is just zenos
How far into MSQ is the dungeon?
about midway
got past the dungeon but haven't finished 5.4 MSQ but that was the exact thought I had from the last 5.3 cutscene
half way
whats 2nd dungeon boss mechanic?
When Fandaniel stated his motive I was just like bruh
i had hoped it may get better in 5.4 and they'd show us more, but no it's just worse lol
Can't decide whether rp do that first orEden, but I wanna have ex roulette unlocked XD
uughhhhhhh
Wtf is this zoomer doomer shit
his motive is literally just "lol i want to kill everyone including myself"
no wonder why he joined zenos
at least zenos has a more compelling argument than Fandaniel.
both are the fucking same
ShB was so amazing my one gripe was "oh no how is any other expansion going to top this"
that's assuming the writer is same 🙂
if this is the setup for the next one i'm not too optimistic
You're setting yourself up with failure with that sentiment
post-Sicard's parley: ||"Good thing I didn't have to kill the boy," ma'am you blasted off his knee.||
Yeah having discount Joker is not helpful
Even then a lot of what made Joker so good is Batman.
My impression is that Fandaniel is not alone; he mentions a group and that 'We' seek the end, not 'I'
Great, a whole group of edgelords who want to destroy the world for no reason, even better
hahaha
Merlwyb doesn't fuck around. She gladly would've dusted that toothpaste hair dude's ass.
A group of nihilistic edgelords that happen to have a name that seems out of Amaurot itself.
Love the heavy douse in fringe Ascian motivations this patch, Mitron and Loghrif ||just wanted to be together
||
i certainly hope pashtarot isn't part of that group
Mitron is a simp
i'm genuinely wondering if they pulled ishikawa off XIV's story to go write 16 or something because it's such a drop to go from emet-selch to these two
The likelihood that the Telophoroi are related to the Sound and the End Days
He sounded more like a fanboy of the End Days who wanted to see it for fun tbh
Ishikawa works on the MSQ now
Except he's not alone--the Telophoroi want it.
And I doubt the Telophori are 'Fandaniel and Zenos'
Do you think she does everything?
She's probably smashing her keyboard to dust writing 6.0
well here's hoping that the Telophori have better motivations...
I will live in slight hope there's a slightly more interesting character who will be the antagonist of 6.0 than these two then, but I also doubt it
Ishikawa is confirmed to NOT be working on 16, the guy who wrote Heavensward is confirmed to be on 16. Ishikawa SHOULD be the one working on all the patches that we've seen though I don't know the deets on that. Everything we've seen ought to be her work.
Given Zenos is obviously a pawn
Surely there’s got to be some reason why they killed off elidibus so quickly from when he started getting limelight to.. this? They could easily have had him take emets place as the next/final ascian through to 6.0 with him being the heart of zodiark
Not sure how they’ll do it, super unimpressed by the lineup in 5.4 for now
Ishikawa has been on 5.xx from start to finish unless we find out she's working on something else.
No, she only worked on 5.0 and 5.3
For example, Ishikawa was working on 5.3 but was supervising 5.1 to make sure it goes smoothly
Okay, good to know. i wonder who worked on 5.1 and 5,4 then
Wait that's what leads up to the parley in the Navel? This patch is rough on my heart.
But I assume they have her doing 6.0
How easy is emerald weapon
too easy
fairly easy
Did they recast Cid and Aymeric?
I’m talking extreme
NM(/HM) at least
unless you're talking about the EX in which case idk
@thick tangle tbf we all said the same thing about Shadowbringers when 4.4 and 4.5 hit
whole weapons series been easy as hell
Is it easier than ruby ex
They sound hella different
Cid is recast. Aymeric is the same ator, he just had TERRIBLE vocal direction this patch.
somehow E9 feels like the trickest normal mode, rest are so straightfoward and Empty Plane is too much freedom 
Ruby ex was a joke and from norm it didnt look too complicated
Cid's voice actor feels wrong
tbf more ppl were pissed about genderlocks and no new healer
Guys, they're all recording from home.
I think 10 is tricker than 9 tbh
Cid seems too gruff
it's not how i imagine him
Even number patch extremes are always jokes
Aymeric's excitement sounded like he wanted to bite out the WoL's jugular for some reason, lmao
and the actors had to work from home so their mics suck presumably
Well, Junction Shiva is prob the next trickiest mech overall
Give them some slack, kay?
And yeah they are recording from home so they probably sound off
aymeric has the hots for the WoL
Junction shiva is easy just spread stack spread
There was a strong contingent of 'Why the fuck should we care about the First' going around before ShB launched.
You think much of DF and their ability to handle permafrost
I'm not saying it sucked, I just thought it was funny that Aymeric sounded so angry, lmao.
Its cause you play on crystal 
Sure, but Emet-Selch came across very well from the moment he was introduced iirc
there were a lot of people that straight up hated what 3.4 set up and didnt come to like it until 5.0 hit
At least Emet looked interesting and didn't divest his intention in 4.4
I personally loved the character from the moment he came up
Unlike Fanny who literally says what he's gonna do...and it's pretty lame
Cid sounds awful
Interesting, I thought he sounded v horny for the WoL lol
i'm still mad we don't have emet anymore
I hate this timeline
But yeah, only wipes on my Promise runs were to 9 and 11, 10 and 12 were straightforward enough,
We all are 😦
I'm not mad we don't have emet, I'm just disappointed it's followed up by such a weak villain lol
And I actually liked Cid's voice. His previous two voices were terrible (in English). They both sounded like they belonged to a teenager, not a grown ass man.
i think 12N is almostr too easy, the casts don't come out fast enough :V
part of what makes Emet Selch popular is that he died. If he lived he wouldn't be as loved
I agree with that, honestly.
Pretty much yea
I like killing off good things before they go sour or overused.
And we literally know nothing of Fandaniel's true motivations, his organization, their history or anything.
yeah but
like sure the concept of an ascian who isn't bound with the obsession of returning to amaurot is interesting, but the way they're pulling it off by having some guy who is just like "Fuck everything let's ruin the world for fun" as opposed to some interesting goal is disappointing
That'd be like judging Emet-selch as a villain based on the fact Varis shot him
i think characters who get killed off tend to be more popular, like Wash from Firefly
WE COULD'VE KEPT HIM TO 5.3 AT LEAST not as a fucking spirit mastermind behind elibidus's salvation
Haurchefant.
Don't forget, Cid shaves like 15 years off his appearance when he's clean shaven,
You've played this game long enough to know not to always take the first thing a villain says at face value.
Just like how Firefly itself got killed off
this is also true
I don't see any hints of Fandaniel having deeper motivations than this, the game isn't showcasing it at all
no he was popular cuz he was essentially a representation mirror of us
they did with Emet right away
And you didn't see any hints of Emet's true motivation in 4.4
Elidibus was always seen as the leader of the ascians so he was always gonna be the last one killed off

He actually sounds super familiar who's playing Cid?
a character doesn't have to have deep motivations and character to be good
Mfw gaia is gonna outlive all the ascians
Yeah. Remember that Emet Selch stands out because he's different from the other characters not because the villains in ffxiv are usually that great
fun fact, just like you didn't see emet's motivation in 4.4 you never saw zenos's motivation in 3.4 and 3.5 until SB came
Hell, we didn't even know Emet's truest motivation until 5.3!
Mfw gaia is going to be part of the story since she can travel between worlds
zenos didn't show up until sb so I confess I dont grt tjis
Yea Toph is the 2nd most popular character in Avatar and she barely has much of an arc past hating being treated like shes helpless
I dunno. Just a bit concerned with the direction based on how the character is acting so far, I doubt he's suddenly going to change massively
zenos appeared in few scenes in 3.5 and was only mentioned a few times in 3.4
I dont blame you. Fandaniel sucks. It is known.
Wait if gaia is an ascian and we know ascians can take people from the first to the source does that mean ryne and gaia can come to the source??????
The direction is 'I'm the next villain, this is my real introduction and here's some stakes.' That's Act I shit.
Ryne can see dadcred again
If they kill Ryne and Gaia, yes
I forgot about that, interesting
I also called it when I said we'd reuse the crystal vessels to transport Unu.
I felt Eden's story has been weak too honestly, as has the Weapons series, but the MSQ going that way too is a worrying trend
How do I beat Nixie in the new dungeon
wow
I dunno, I've vibed to Eden's story, in that it actually has one in its fights (but I haven't done Eden's Promise yet)
the discord gif things don't have lot of zenos variety PEPECRY
@gaunt star Use one of the water spouts to go up to the clouds
Gaia and Ryne's relationship just isn't working for me, idk why
I'm going to personally commit war crimes if gaia and ryne don't show up in 6.0 onwards
E12 is... disappointing
I don't feel anything for Gaia at all
i means it's a fucking tree lance
I was thinking about Eden's story, and honestly, it's the first time the fights are actually a part of the story
Gaia and Ryne are still boring
I quite like the Eden story tho it does end abruptly
The fight is boring and dumb
you know who was tree that we already had?
I like gaia and ryne, she's rynes only and first friend and she doesn't wanna lose her
A tree with boobs. cmon give it some credit
Long ass add phase for no reason
exdeath
Like Alexander's first fight that actually mattered to the story was A7.
Oh yeah the add phase was terrible.
And the attcaks are completely arbitrary
If the add phase is in savage ill commit a war crime
Sure, but I felt Omega's final tier was a lot better than all of Eden's story so far. I really liked that bit
is the progress at e12s yet?
emerald weapon orbs are weird
Omega didn't get a fight relating to the story, until O10
pf people dont gt em
You know what I mean. The attacks have nothing to do with the || the primals she's stealing them from ||
why is it dumb?
they're all attacks the primals use iirc
Yeah i was going to say
yea all the attacks are ones they use
They're just random shaped aoes. And you have to memorize what they look like. She should at least steal the actual moves they use.
but they are actual moves the Eden Primals used
She is though?
Yes 3 groups have reported being at E12S, one streaming group.
well they are i should say
i'm on goldentot atm and he's at 11es
I swear these are not attacks from old fights
someone called Fatebreaker i'm guessing this is the transition form
Fine I'll double check
Which streamer is at 12s? I wanna see the special phase
i think the only one that isn't exact is the Leviathan one, which at least replicates the shape of Leviathan rushing across the outer thirds of the battlefield
but Judgment Jolt is definitely from Eden Ramuh
why do a 11 have transition?
Man, i'm ngl, Graha Tia's neck is noticeable weird to see animate. fuck happened there
he has no more mountain dew voltage pixels to cover up the strange neck
i dont think ifrit was there though XD
his tattoos call more attention to it, sadly. they should've removed them.
that'd be changing the canon
small indie game company meme here
i think they mean that graha on the Source had them before going into the CT so its hard to justify removing them
G'raha already had the tattoos during CT
and the body he's in now is the body he had in CT
They.. can't remove his tattoos? It's... actually... a part of his character?
Yeah I can tell that the direction is bad because characters are yelling when they don't need to.
They've been there since CT yea
Oh my GOD I cannot wait to do e12s
Well he's an Archon of Sharlayan
They can't just erase the fact he's a PhD in his field!
Working from home doesnt help with voice direction, not to mention the mic quality is all over the place
either way graha's neck animation: weird lol
didn't square announce that everyone would be working from home for a long time? lol this'll be the quality moving forward then.
it could be worse the new dungeon and fights are a lot of fun so those have not suffered too much
CAN I HATE VALENS MORE PLS?
Mitron is a dick about it anyway
true but
Eden's promise just felt like a repeat of the msq except ryne is saying what you did now
Man they even gave Valens the douchiest hair
i mean they're all little space dictators that want to murder all life in comically overdone comicbook fashion, i think they're pretty easy to hate
that is generally a very japanese style of story telling yea
but i'm also a soulless ghoul that laughed at the 5.3 villain's death scene so
lesson learned means repeating the same words to someone else
i cant remember his name except it started with an E sorry
What's a good way to farm allegory
...you don't remember Elidibus
oh yeah him
pitiful.
The main villan of 5.1-5.3
also the first major ascian we meet
pretty much everything from 3.4-5.3 in fact
True
uh
Lahabrea says what
Fateborn your name is very ironic right now
oh right, Bread man
i remember his character and him possessing ardbert's form but he came in out of no where and his primary action was stumping around whining about how mean the WoL is, we didn't find out he was a sad and tragic child until 5.3 when they jammed a whole story arc into like 4 hours. and I honestly dont remember anything from him earlier in the game even though I know he's made appearances
are you talking about fatebreaker? lol
yes
He didn't come out of nowhere.
ironic indeed, considering i started with thancred too
I never said he did
i skipped cutscenes please give me attention
@viscid monolith
I know you had some complaints about Tree with boobs. It's based off this statue of Artemis.
He's been built up since arr
You literally did?
THIS ENDING OF EDEN IS FUCKING POGGERS
Also Nomura designed it so /shrug
booba
he came in out of no where
I just dont think he was all that interesting because he didn't do much until the WoL appeared in Seat of Sacrifice
booba
HE DIDN'T DO MUCH? go replay the story mate
The boss design ks fine although the boobs do gross me out. It's the fight itself I hate.
show deets, I said that I didn't remember his name and that I didn't care for him
fandaniel is a villain with some potential and there's a lot of unanswered questions about him and his actual reasons. like he implies he works for/with an organization?
you don't like boobs lance?
I just wish we knew a bit more now lol
That's if you don't count:
A) Manipulating us to fight primals throughout ARR
B) Manipulating Thordan to become a primal
C) Manipulating Unukalhai re the Warring Triad
D) Manipulating Ilberd to summon Shinryu
E) Manipulating Varis into a corner such that he'd unleash Black Rose.
I see. I do wonder why they used Artemis as a real name when...it's a female name. Maybe the writer read some Artemis Fowl or something?
so eden is big mommy
I guess he also awakened a bunch of people on the First to Hydalen's voice and set up a new generation of adventurer's but that plot line isn't going anywhere now that we're more or less done with the First
Mitron was maybe a woman originally
fandaniel is literally a millennial boss wanting to kill himself and everyone around him
They made a boss that's fine to do once but it'll be a ball ache to do every week possibly multiple times. The devs are fucking up again and are forgetting to make fights fun and functional before cinematic. They were doing the same in Stormblood.
elidibus didn't manipulate thordan, lahabrea did
he's also a repeat of xande story, but xande was cooler
Fandaniel just walked out of the Joker movie.
Elidibus is an extremely important character
See the 2.4 cutscene again.
It's fine, they'll get rid of the super cinematic part in savage
ah right
Yeah, he did those things, you're right. However I think those villains like Thordan and Ilberd, and tragic figures like Unukalhai have a bigger spotlight because their stories are a lot more compelling.
i was so used to lahabrea meme that i forgot elidibus talked to thordan first
If I had to guess, perhaps OG Mitron/Artemis was a woman? The one we see was a reincarnation after all, and we know that gender's not necessarily consistent amongst reincarnations.
like even if we take Fandaniel's words at face value, he didn't do all of this himself. who are the Teleopholori or whatever they are lol
Still don't have e12s cutscene?
I think that's potentially pretty interesting
the transition that most 12s have? no it haven't been released yet
How do I unlock the new role quests? It says I need the quest Shadow Walk With Me before but I can't find that one either 
assuming it got reached yet
Telophoroi
NO the only streamer who's at E12S hasn't gotten there yet
I want fandaniel to be bait and for Zenos to just kill him at the start of 6.0 and reveal a better character
You have to do all the role quests--Shadow Walk with Me is in the Crystarium, the barmaid.
You know what I want to be the Source of the sound and would be thematically similar to the Ancients? Pandora.
so one of each job type at 80
Jenova*
So I gotta get one of each job to lvl80 and do the role quests?
the source should be Jenova, no matter what you say you heretical soothsayer
The source should be people.
who's the streamer at e12s?
McDonald's @static niche
To match the Atlantean.
Interesting take, I like the Pandora's Box idea where the Ancients got too fucky with creation magic and opened it.
would be interesting if Jenova or Lavos was the planet killer that destroyed the Ascians' homeworld in the first place
Eden seemed to suggest the final days were the ascian's fears given form, the dude was pissed we could defeat ours while they couldn't
Shit, the crafted weapons are Bluespirit weapons
See I'm of the opposite idea, I think the tragedy of the Ascians is lessened some if it turns out creation magic, something they can do naturally, was inevitably dooming the world after all
i think it's more fitting if their doom was something they were completely irresponsible for, as it makes their later downfall and corruption more haunting.
Ya'know, I wish they hadn't shown ||Merlwyb walking out to the tower|| in the trailer,
this whole Valens arc is so uncessarilly creepy
that scene before it is tense
i mean i think it's a bit necessary, it demonstrates the horror that societies like the Empire can unleash on a more personal scale
so all the Ascians we've seen so far have this like... deep desperation
Fandaniel, too, desperately wants to -die-. but in a way that feels appropriate for him. what led him to this point?
why does
An interesting question.
||e12N boss have like 50 boobies||
does anyone know the track that plays after || ryne saved gaia?||
cause it's ||Artemis||
@rain badger
Because it's two components are named for fertility goddesses, tbh
interesting
well, 3, Eden is technically a... third?
E12N is really cool
watching people wipe on e12s on the same mechanic over and over again
who
team say mc donalds
stal's team
that mechanic seems like it'll be a pain in the ass to do p_p
Which mechanic
BAHZYA
Gaia is the mother earth, Eden is the garden of life, and Artemis is fertility right?
My prediction has come true, Bozja/Werlyt incorporated into MSQ
shiva mechanic where you slide to stack slide to mid then fan
that's how you pronounce it. it's Slavic
oh hey they did thet mechanic properly but BUT JESUS CHRIST IT NEEDS SO MUCH MITIGATION O-O
presenting Artemis of Ephesus bc, um, yeah.
What next
streamer get to 69%
I'm done with eden, unsure what to do
E12S seems like it'd be fun to heal, like ultimate level healing
my brain goes to Diana's design in the SMT series buuuut that is even censored in the game,
no transition cuz they all died during the mechanic LUL
do emerald weapon or savage now lol
Jade Weapon or MSQ?
how do you know what side sidescathe is hitting in emerald
hemlo
asking 4 a friend
er, emerald
Emerald weapon theme got me vibin
Promise theme got me vibin
the statue they based the boss of of is a fertility statue, artemis herself undergoes a lot of changes and iterations in the og myths. they took a very interesting tactic with their portrayal in game, I like it
i got my thicc samuboy through msq but i just need a few ilevels before the rest


