retired-patch-6-3-discussion

[slim egret]

ok cool, thanks for the help

[maiden lodge]

This is what I mean--the donut is usually in a safe spot.

But the previous place is never safe.

[wary pond]

depends

on how boss is faced

the + can cover the donut

had it happen few times

[wet crown]

that is try

[maiden lodge]

True, but you just pay attention for that, cause if they're in a straight line, danger. If it's directly to the side, danger. If not... chill and get in

[sterile moat]

one thing you do have to pay attention to when dodging is to dodge to the side to the next spot he's jumping towards

or else you'll most likely get server'd and die

[maiden lodge]

basically, yeah

It's easier to do that to describe

[wet crown]

NO NO NONO

I don't want these guys to die.

Except Isolde. Her voice is annoying.

[sterile moat]

isolde is based

the moment i saw her LB3 a single guy

i knew she was based despite her best impression of crash bandicoot

[maiden lodge]

i want to save my fate-tanking-lbing babies

[sterile moat]

i'm not sure if they're tempered or not

the way she "tempered" them is different

[maiden lodge]

They're tempered.

[sterile moat]

and we later blocked the way primals tend to temper people, the blue fire

[maiden lodge]

She shot a primal attack in them, and they went from angry to docile, and turned on their friends.

[sterile moat]

primals have used attacks of the same sort on us, like confusion and forced march

we'll see what storywriters do

[maiden lodge]

And Basajan (sp?) even asked 'Welp, how do we save them?'
'They're tempered, mate, we can't, it's permanent. Or rather, we don't know if a cure exists.'

They're called out as tempered in the text, mate.

And there's nothing different about how they were tempered. Primal takes aether, yeets it into their soul, soul is now corrupted by said aether. The fact said aether was sword-shaped doesn't matter--those were not wounds they suffered so the aether was against their soul.

[vagrant sinew]

yeah they're 100% tempered

[maiden lodge]

but I also think we're gonna save them

[sterile moat]

ofc

[maiden lodge]

This is the second time the narrative's hinted at curing tempering

[sterile moat]

nobody expects the blades to be wiped next patch

it would be pretty fucking dumb

[maiden lodge]

The first, Alisae, the second, with the story saying 'hey, it's permanent--but only because we don't know of a cure'

It clarified that last bit, which usually means 'so if a cure comes out....'

Seriously though

Matsuno, making tempering matter emotionally

Genius move how it was pulled off

[sterile moat]

that's why i pointed out the way it happened is different, since it gives leeway for writers to bullshit their way later on

[maiden lodge]

Well it wouldn't be bullshittery

MSQ has the seeds open to find a cure

Bozja has a personal reason for us to care about the cure

I call it good writing.

[sterile moat]

too slow though

[maiden lodge]

Naw, this is a good slow burn, builds tension, builds stakes

[sterile moat]

what we've seen so far is a long process of therapy

[maiden lodge]

For Halric, sure, but for the others it was actually pretty quick

And unless they get physically changed, the corruption might not be as deep as Halric's so it might not be so bad to cure.

[sterile moat]

but yea

and it's to wait and see what writers do

[maiden lodge]

And we might have to do both--forced to kill a handful and save the rest. Matsuno LOVES the tragic tropes.

But let's be fair

I don't give a shit about Ga Bu

I give a shit about these madlads

I want Misija dead.

[pastel coyote]

kill them until it work

[viscid monolith]

@maiden lodge I hope they don't die but I look forward to the fights with them

[sterile moat]

a good hint that they're not gonna die and will be restored asap

is the fact they're still in the fates

yoship isn't known for allowing dead people to run around

[viscid monolith]

Fates are in a time bubble

Everything happening in the battlefield is pre Castrum

[maiden lodge]

Besides that, fates can't really be changed because targets and all that have to be consistant across clients

And so, yeah, Lance is right. Time bubble

[slim egret]

Lyon fight in castrum is so much more fun than the adds

[sterile moat]

Everything happening in the battlefield is pre Castrum
@viscid monolith you're assuming that even after we beat brynhildr everything doesn't go to the same shit like it did back on eureka

[viscid monolith]

What do you mean? Everything on the Southern Front will remain pre castrum status even after we beat Gunhyldr.

[maiden lodge]

I mean it's no different than how dungeons don't change their stories

[slim egret]

do u guys know anywhere i can see the full list of lost actions

and their decriptions

[sterile moat]

390 coins and still no augment item drops

[wary pond]

why are u unironically farming em?

[severe brook]

i mean they do need to keep the same encounters on the field regardless of the plot, just for gameplay purposes

[sterile moat]

i'm not

[wary pond]

gotta restart discord

[sterile moat]

just joining random runs since there's nothing else to do on bozja now

[severe brook]

we'll probably still have duels against the Tempered Blades even after we cure their tempering in the plot, stuff like that

[wary pond]

tempering has no solution

til alisaie method work on ga bu

in 5.4

who knows

[sterile moat]

5 bucks we'll get

[slim egret]

i was about to say

isnt ga bu still a vegetable

[sterile moat]

brynhildr killed

oh blades went back to normal

and everything else is back to how it was, except no misija

[severe brook]

well killing the primal doesn't undo tempering

but it looks like a cure to tempering will be part of the 5.4-.5 story

so it'll probably come up in bozja

[slim egret]

how convenient

bozjas story really meshes well with the msq tho

it has the same writing quality

[wary pond]

pretty sure alisaie will do the porxie thingy on ga bu to undo tempering

but will take awhile still

to undo it

[sterile moat]

nah, she's probably still in mordhona killing shit

[slim egret]

is that entire subplot where the garleans had the really potent poison that would kill entire villages done yet

i forgot if that was fixed or not

[sterile moat]

yea

[wary pond]

yes

[sterile moat]

that was solved a long time ago

by gaius and estinien at first

then by zenos

[severe brook]

yeah gaius and estinien were shutting it down, and then zenos destroyed all the black rose anyway

[wary pond]

zenos did short work of all of em

[slim egret]

zenos is scary man

[sterile moat]

no emperor = no black rose

ez fix

i love how garleans break into civil war everytime they don't know whos the next in the line for the throne

[slim egret]

i wonder who will be a bigger villain in 6.0, fandaniel or zenos

[wary pond]

i became emperor
and turned off all the repelling

too

[slim egret]

fandaniel might just be an extra killed off super fast lol

[sterile moat]

irl we have a gigantic line of succession even for elected officials

garleans, no direct line? fuck it

war time

[wary pond]

pretty sure zenos killed most officials in garlemald capital

[sterile moat]

fandaniel is so going to die by zenos hand

[wary pond]

only leaves officers out of it

[sterile moat]

it's such a common trope

[slim egret]

yeah thats why i feel he will die very fast

[sterile moat]

hope writers don't pick that

[slim egret]

but it would be cool if somehow he becomes the big bad

i dont like zenos too much

[severe brook]

see i feel like we'll probably fight fandaniel as 6.0's last dungeon boss or second trial

[wary pond]

fandaniel have promise to be good villian

[severe brook]

but then he could also end up being the 6.3 trial

[wary pond]

cause he hate unsundereds

[severe brook]

zenos/zodiark will definitely be the 6.0 boss though

[next quarry]

The last few .3 trials have been somewhat emotionally engaging

[severe brook]

each is also kind of a "remnant" in a way

like the final part of that expansion's conflict

Nidhogg ends the Dragonsong War, Tsukuyomi ends the liberation of doma, and Elidibus ends the Ascians

[wary pond]

zenos ends the world

[severe brook]

so Fandaniel could fit as the "end" of dealing with the aftermath of the ascians' plots

[scarlet pawn]

zenos feels so forced. i really wish they'd just get rid of him

[severe brook]

i don't think he's making it past 6.0

so he won't be with us for too much longer either way

[wary pond]

how dare u hate zenos
he is us ultimate legends when we do dungeons or 24 man

[next quarry]

Zenos will be in an ultimate eventually

[slim egret]

prolly in 6.0

[iron scaffold]

24 man zenos fight.....that might happen

[slim egret]

shinryu in an ult poggers

[scarlet pawn]

24 man zenos fight ||to get him to finally wash his gross hair||

[slim egret]

the design of castrum being a puggable dungeon and still requiring some cooperation really makes me hopeful for the future of dungeons

[fading mica]

would be glad if we get rid of zenos before 6.0 but I’m sure it won’t happen

[slim egret]

castrum feels like an experiment

[sterile moat]

it's just a bunch of CEs back to back

[wary pond]

zenos final phase.
is both of us get damage increase til 16 stacks
then 1st one land killing blow wins

[scarlet pawn]

i like the first two encounters of castrum but the last two feel like a mess

[slim egret]

i love the last two

can be either really hard or really easy

[sterile moat]

honestly don't feel more than a skirmish into a CE

[slim egret]

depending on what the element boss chooses

[wary pond]

they didnt bring his ff12 mechs

im sad

[slim egret]

what was his ff12 mechanicss?

[wary pond]

he does summon zombies

and zombivy you

[scarlet pawn]

one is just a raid boss but with twice as many people and lyon is just a raid boss with twice as many people and also one of the parties gets to determine if the raid wipes

[wary pond]

he also use thunder 5

[slim egret]

tbf the dps boss on lyon is not too hard

*dps check

i went in not knowing anything and we got him down 50% in like 30 seconds lol

[wary pond]

he also apply magic barrier

[iron scaffold]

@wary pond I was expecting a fight with the FFXII tonberry fighter gunship like in the prologue

[wary pond]

u do 0 dps as caster

[scarlet pawn]

yeah, it's just equal parts boring and frustrating if you're not on the fight lyon team

[wary pond]

must swap to physical

[scarlet pawn]

i mean the mechanics are okay but they don't take advantage of all the extra people

[slim egret]

yeah, i prefer fighting lyon way more than being adds

lyon has some fun mechs but adds ur just bursting them down lol

[wary pond]

i can see ff12 magic defense and physical defense make appearance

[gloomy shale]

Do you get anything past R12 ? Quite a big grind for the last few ranks

[wary pond]

given steel and spellforge

[slim egret]

perhaps with spellforge and steelsing, itll have more use in savage

in 5.45

[wary pond]

unless boss pop perfect defense

[scarlet pawn]

@gloomy shale there's the lost actions that need 13-15 to identify but i don't know anything else

[wary pond]

which you gonna dispel

[slim egret]

the lost actions you get after 10 from castrum

are pretty powerful

and fun to use

[gloomy shale]

so 13 you get everything?

[slim egret]

15

[gloomy shale]

can get*

oh

[slim egret]

you cant appraise some until 15

tbh leveling after 10 is not hard

since the fates scale to ur rank

[gloomy shale]

thats true I think I just noticed that

[sterile moat]

still a shitty grind since you don't get anything decent

[wary pond]

unless u wanna beat duels

anything past 10 is useless

maybe it will be

when they force getting all lost actions

to get relic gear

i have 3 missing atm

fair trade and 2 pots

[gloomy shale]

should I wait to appraise fragments until 15?

I have a stack of em

[wet crown]

No

You will have to wait for some to appraise them though

Oh gosh, please don't wait to use them.

[odd yoke]

Caprice needs rank 15

[sterile moat]

caprice also sucks

for what they're i wish they were stronger

or more more of a meme

you need to rescue every prisoner on castrum to get rank 15s from the extra chests and all you get is a random buff that might kill you when you use

[wet crown]

you might get a random, negative buff

Haste + (+6 Haste, 1 min) High Wire (+30% DMG, 1 min) HP & MP Up (30%, 3 min) Healer LB 3 Doom (10s cannot esuna) Minimum (15s) Pyretic (10s) Poison (15s) Toad (15s)

All known effects so far.

[sterile moat]

yea i know

also lol toad added to the list

pyretic is the least bad in that

healer LB3 if it comes with animation lock will kill you

[wet crown]

10 seconds of pyretic is bad

[sterile moat]

yea but as long you aren't in heavy danger, you can just stand still

[wet crown]

mini and poison are the most one can stomach

[sterile moat]

mini makes you take extra dmg

[wet crown]

you can still attack and move

[sterile moat]

but yea doom being the worst, pyretic > toad > minimum > poison

depends on the poison tick though

healer lb3 is definitely bad if you're soloing and it animation locks you

tempted

[wet crown]

which healer LB3 is it though?

[odd yoke]

Probably whm

[gloomy shale]

Am I seeing this right? You need 1000's of bozja coins for the full augmented set?

[wet crown]

No, you are not. Because you only see the pity system behind it

You can get all upgrade materials from CLL chests

[gloomy shale]

ah

[viscid monolith]

If you're lucky

[polar star]

Not that you want too much haste

Elemental gear was so much better...

[wet crown]

What, are you gonna come up with the silly reason that it will mess with buff alignments and rotations?

[polar star]

I mean

It does

lol

but still haste is kinda bad compared to pure power

[cobalt ingot]

I bought all the casting gear for my blm but no upgrade boxes yet

I wanna get fast

[scarlet pawn]

at least it's marginally interesting though? like, i'd prefer if the gear did something genuinely unique but at least haste has some kind of visible gameplay effect other than Numbers Go Up Slightly Higher ||even if it does mess with timings and muscle memory||

[viscid monolith]

I'd say they this type of content is perfect for adding broken effects to gear

Augmenting abilities directly for each job

[gaunt star]

more gcds > fewer gcds

even if it feels worse to play, the haste doesn't come at the cost of anything so it's better than being slower

[scarlet pawn]

yeah that would rule but also i feel like the ffxiv engine is a house of cards / spaghetti code and asking for abilities affected by equipment would make the devs want to jump off a bridge

[viscid monolith]

For example the the chest piece should do something crazy like give DRG Double Jump

Or maybe the monk gloves gives monk a chance to auto attack multiple times at once

[odd yoke]

Man i love being fucked by re raise not triggering on my first death in duels cause i was 1 centimetre away from the safe zone

[dim sigil]

i got a aug thing from a drop so i can confrim they also work that way

[gaunt star]

if anyone's curious lost yeetfair trade indeed only draws stuff from your holster

[sterile moat]

people that offer themselves to go for lyon

then fail

it's like the hunger games that end 30mins into the movie with the protag dying by getting off the explosive pad too early

except it nukes everyone

[wary pond]

@odd yoke git gud

[viscid monolith]

Losing a duel isn't a big deal

[wary pond]

its kinda big deal

[odd yoke]

Bruh i even had sprintttt

[wary pond]

cause u wont enter another one in asslong time

perfect legend smn

more like perfect baddie

/s

joking

[viscid monolith]

Duels require perfection which is difficult to achieve just because you can't do them often

[odd yoke]

Not a lie

Just gonna mch

[wary pond]

mch is easier

it has good dps

[odd yoke]

Beast doesn't even heal me with assaults or pet actions

[wary pond]

and 0 drawbacks

[odd yoke]

[wary pond]

huh?

[viscid monolith]

It's almost like winning is meant to be difficult but smooth brains will reduce it to "lol it's so easy just don't get hit" without a hint of irony.

[odd yoke]

The lifesteal from Beast doesn't heal you when you use egi assaults or shit like Ahk morn

Despite those actions being able to be reflected back at you

[wary pond]

duels are about building sense of timing
most ultimate players dont have that

[viscid monolith]

How do they not have that

[sterile moat]

perfection is taking dmg to deal more dmg

not to dodge aoes cause the fight says you fail for taking 100 dmg

[viscid monolith]

You can really take damage in duels because everything kills you immediately

[wary pond]

the sense of timing is what made me perfect the dodging in duels

u know whats coming

at exact second

[sterile moat]

yea you get a feel for the timer after a while

[wary pond]

like

it took me 1 wipe to figure out

flashover timing

watching cast doesnt help

[viscid monolith]

How are you supposed to deal with Flashover

[wary pond]

u need to know when flashover exactly resolve

[viscid monolith]

I just Holmganged it. Is there a safe area?

[wary pond]

flashover resolve after 1st bait

when u see flaming rain cast

u go to edge

without 2nd thought

[viscid monolith]

Flashover is the aoe from the tornado right?

[wary pond]

yes

[viscid monolith]

Ok just making sure

[wary pond]

the 2nd flash over is scarer

u need to be in mid

and find safespot and go to it

in 4 secs

[viscid monolith]

Why not just Manawall it and forget about it

[wary pond]

manawall used once every 6 mins

and u need manawall to eat fast clock

to be knocked over dashing phoenixes

[viscid monolith]

I'm doing the duels on a tank anyway

I can dodge the first flashover, holmgang the second and manawall the the clock

[wary pond]

what about 3rd flash over?

and possible 4th?

[viscid monolith]

Didn't know there were so many

[wary pond]

u see 3rd one normally

4th can be skipped

with good dps

lyon dodging took me longest to figure out

when he does2 quakes

fireballs

exaflares + taste of blood

[viscid monolith]

After sitting and thinking about it for long enough I can see why people are upset about duels.

[wary pond]

u go to south edge of quake

go in south safespot

then go to middle

u need to look at exaflares

cause u need to take a lap

[viscid monolith]

I don't think people would mind the difficulty if there was a consistent way to do them.

[wary pond]

around the one closer to u

going straight up to lyon

is a mistake

[viscid monolith]

A better to do it would be to keep the raffle but let 3 people try

[wary pond]

and i learnt my lesson from it

[viscid monolith]

If you lose you get removed from the raffle

[wary pond]

duels are fun tbh

but tbh

anxiety is real there

you dont wanna fail

anxiety was one of reasons

i failed the easy knockback + mustadio skill

cause i lost track of timing

and i thought im not in right spot

to get knocked to tower

[viscid monolith]

It's whatever. I'm not even gonna bother gunning for duels anymore.

It's not worth the time or effort.

[wary pond]

nothing to do in ffxiv atm

but im not defending the system still

[viscid monolith]

I have stuff I should be doing irl anyway.

[wary pond]

thankfully i have sense of timing

i even know what mechanic is coming depending on where the music plays

[sterile moat]

lmao

Sicinius the Methodical: Ah, the Resistance, and not a moment too soon.
Now, you shall face the might of my magitek!

meanwhile everyone is leaving to fight a skirmish nearby

[wary pond]

lol

[sterile moat]

everyone leaving during boss intro

[wary pond]

when E8S 2nd phase

the music reset 2 times

1st time when she freeze floor after 1st WL

2nd time after mirror that reflect akh reis

before icelit

[gaunt star]

aw yiss

[wary pond]

4 mins

thats some fast clear

even my best is 6 mins

tbh i wanna try stuff in duels

but i barely enter in them

so i play it safe mostly

i wanna play greedy there

see how much i can go hard in em

heard of someone cleared gabriel in 3:38 mins

he did almost 22k dps on him

almost skipped 1st prey

[gaunt star]

wew

[sage wraith]

idk if its been asked but does anyone have a table of contents for all things available from bozja chests?

[gaunt star]

some real gamers in that instance

[wet crown]

wtf

did that RDM mimic a focus stack?

[vivid notch]

I wish you could take at least one skill back out of Bozja
I miss Protect PepeHands

[wet crown]

We all got the stats from it

it was annoying

[vivid notch]

also someone on one of my instances today murdered Gabe
that was cool
I didn't watch it
I was too busy running for my life from Star monsters
trying to death them is fun

[gaunt star]

they're just running noble/font with skirmisher

prolly dcrit with the buff from winning top

[maiden lodge]

I don't miss protect it was a placebo that protected for less than a ricepaper wall against the onslaught of a tommy gun squad

[gaunt star]

protect had some edge cases where it actually mattered but otherwise was just dumb busywork

[vivid notch]

I also want Slash

[maiden lodge]

So, take a bis caster/healer right now. They have 5780 mdef, which is 26% magic mitigation, or 74% damage gets through for raid-wides.
At +18% mdef, that makes them 6820 mdef, which is 31% magic mitigation, or 69% damage getting through.

69/74=93% getting through, or 7% total magic mitigation. Is that going to reduce the healing a healer has to do? Save them any casts? Really?

[wet crown]

protect also reduced the amount of limit gauge you got

[maiden lodge]

And bear in mind, that's best case scenario--tank mitigation against physical and magical is a little less, so they get less benefit.

And that's also BiS

I always think of it as the time wasted waiting for protect is a time loss greater than a tank's dps loss for slotting the same amount of tenacity.

[vivid notch]

that's fair

gods I wish I got chosen by Gabe

I want to learn the fight PepeHands

also I need to use Essences more

didn't realize that they last until you use another or you leave

[maiden lodge]

Essences are stronk

And easy to get

[wet crown]

unless it's ordained

[maiden lodge]

Your basic ones can be farmed from either the dudes just outside the settlement in tier I, or the doblyns outside the gate to Tier II

[wet crown]

[viscid monolith]

You want the really strong Essences

But that means farming Castrum

[vivid notch]

I'm sad that eventually the boxes will lose their market value

because hot damn

five mil on the cheap baby

[maiden lodge]

Everything eventually does.

[vivid notch]

ye I was hoarding them

but no reason to since they don't expire

[maiden lodge]

But yeah, ordained is doblyns

(obviously deep essences and the 11 mettle tier ones are cll)

steelskin and spellforge and protect and shell also last until you replace them as actions, and have no charges, so that's a thing

[wet crown]

not just doblyns

[sterile moat]

every non mech mob in the middle area works

[wet crown]

check the pins for the charts

[random anvil]

250k scorch

[brisk quail]

Ordained essence is the hardest fucking essence to farm

[dim sigil]

where does one get it again

[sterile moat]

people use ordained?

[odd yoke]

For death stuff

[unreal wadi]

death is good

[odd yoke]

Since it increases the chance

[unreal wadi]

to save the pows

they die easily from lost death

[earnest sedge]

1 shot lost death

Ez frags

Get more death

I have like 50+ violence things now

[dim sigil]

I have like 70 deaths

Enough to last me a good long forever

[lilac crest]

I have 200

And a shit ton of violence

[iron scaffold]

https://youtu.be/0lBPDAc-3NI

[maiden lodge]

I love this.

[odd yoke]

https://youtu.be/uAR6YBO-utw

More chocobo memea

[viscid monolith]

https://twitter.com/FFsfia/status/1318301041482371072

🧅 Sfi 🧅 (@FFsfia)

I have 506 bozjan coins from running castrum, I need a total of 3500. Sooo I need to do about another 120 runs assuming I continue to get no drops. Quite possibly the grindiest single gear progression system in the game?

Twitter

[rain onyx]

They should buff the coffer drop rate 😐

[gaunt star]

they really should

I've gotten a couple in 11 runs but I think I've been crazy lucky

[brisk quail]

They should buff the coffer drop rate 😐
Tbh if the drop rate is so low more than 75% the player base hasn't even heard of it the drop rate is too low

[gaunt star]

Like usually 0-2 people in the entire raid get one

someone said they got a food coffer from the second boss

foot*

[open verge]

My problem with the augment is that they don’t seem that good

I guess your supposed to use it for the 1v1s

[nocturne void]

bitter memories are from any fate, right?

[viscid monolith]

Any fate and any mob

And any CE

[lament breach]

Wild idea. Maybe just lower the coin cost of upgrades by an order of magnitude and scrap the coffer drops entirely

[unreal wadi]

Sounds like a better idea... tbh

They really missed the mark on the bozja gear

[subtle pasture]

I don't see the big deal with augmenting in general, like other than the 999 being a little overkill.

prob won't matter much 'til Delubrum Reginae Savage

...Just people trying to WF it, I guess

[rain onyx]

I think the cost of augmenting and average coin reward per Castrum is too big of a difference

It’s 500/999 for augmenting and on average you get around 20-25 coins per clear

[subtle pasture]

how many full runs was it of BA for a Physeos weapon

9-ish, right?

[rain onyx]

I’d have to double check but that sounds right

[subtle pasture]

99 tokens for a physeos and I -think- 10 on a clear??

[random anvil]

Is Obey really that hard

[rain onyx]

Actually BA is a LOT more generous

28 fragments per full clear

If I did math right

[subtle pasture]

Ah okay, so a physeos weapon is p equal to the bozjan set, then

[rain onyx]

So 4 runs for a physeos

[nocturne void]

I'm guessing that augmentation will be more important in the next bit of bozja content

[subtle pasture]

--mind, this is also baby BA since it's eqv to uhhh

Pagos?

man that's a sorry comparison but,

second chapter

[rain onyx]

I hope coin reward quantity , coffer drop rate, or exchange rate get adjusted later on

[subtle pasture]

augmenting would be comparable to the kirin stuff, which is a guaranteed drop from Ozma, hm...

[uncut tide]

Just reduce the amount of coins needed for the augment upgrades

[subtle pasture]

Dalmascene makes the Kirin stuff, right?

[rain onyx]

Can coffers drop from any boss or only the last one?

[subtle pasture]

or w/e the ele buff coat is

[viscid monolith]

I hope sooner rather than later

[rain onyx]

Damascene is the vermillion cloak

[viscid monolith]

Coffers drop from the all 3 bosses in Castrum

[rain onyx]

Cryptic seal is Kirin

[subtle pasture]

Ah okay, I thought Kirin and Vermillion were same set, but phys/caster

isn't that one drop and the whole raid rolls on it

the Ozma stuff other than demi and frags

[rain onyx]

All the stuff is personal drops IIRC

haven’t done BA in forever

[subtle pasture]

I've never done it at all, clearly

[sterile moat]

this is getting a bit ridiculous

1st boss of castrum

[subtle pasture]

Profane do be like that

[sterile moat]

i don't use profane

[random anvil]

Banners?

[sterile moat]

not gonna sac my survivability for extra dmg

yea noble ends

[subtle pasture]

profane is the healing cut, not noble ends

green dps

[sterile moat]

i use noble ends and aetherweaver

[rain onyx]

The big boy combo

😩

DPS wish they could do more than WHM

[subtle pasture]

"not gonna sac my survivability," noble ends over profane

[random anvil]

i should parse my mnk with skirmsher and whatever banner saps your life

[sterile moat]

noble ends is 15s of 0% healing

[rain onyx]

Noble ends is perfectly safe if you pop it during times of no damage

[uncut tide]

Yeah opener is fine

[sterile moat]

while profane is the whole fight

of -70%

[uncut tide]

Lines up well with PoM

[subtle pasture]

yeah so it's just green DPS, my co-healer ran it last time I was in,

[rain onyx]

Profane is a meme essence IMO

[subtle pasture]

well, solo healer more like, but the bosses are fine

[rain onyx]

I’d only ever use it in a full healer party

Or ones with like 4-5 healers

[subtle pasture]

had 4 healers in a pug, 2 ran it-- yeah

[sterile moat]

that double holy IV hurts

[subtle pasture]

it's not a MASSIVE increase over aetherweaver though, yeah,

but mmm that multiplication on Misery

[rain onyx]

Even deep profane doesn’t feel good enough to use over deep aetherweaver

It goes to like 120% vs 96%

[uncut tide]

I got a 300k crit on misery on the final boss

[rain onyx]

[uncut tide]

But yeah I was using profane with font of magic and noble

[subtle pasture]

run I did through CEM last night, top dps was a profane'd whm

thiiink uh hedge was there

[uncut tide]

Think I had a tech step and embolden up too

[sterile moat]

look at these death timestamps on dawon

good thing top wiped so i could escape this cause 6/8 of my party died there

[rain onyx]

...that’s the fire cross, is it?

[sterile moat]

cross and donut

[nocturne void]

The orientation on the fire cross obey can be a bit tricky, he'll do a wiggle sometimes

And end up spraying like 30 degrees to one side or another

Maybe 30 is too much, more like 15

[rain onyx]

It feels big enough that I need to be super duper safe for it

[sterile moat]

it's as big as his hitbox

[rain onyx]

Also the fact it usually one-shots anyone without a defense essence

[nocturne void]

The problem is the wiggle, not the hitbox

[sterile moat]

what i hate is when he does O > O and they're really far out

wiggle is just animation

[nocturne void]

Better have sprint or lost sprint

[sterile moat]

but i get what you're saying

the wiggle is deceiving

[nocturne void]

I've only seen it a few times, so maybe I'm just dumb

[sterile moat]

but the + will always be based by the location he jumped from

[nocturne void]

Yes

[uncut tide]

Haven't really noticed but the boss could do + o + o right

[sterile moat]

yea it can

OOXX XOXO OXOX and XXOO are all possible

OXXO and XOOX too

[gaunt star]

The really scary thing is the snapshotting on the X

[uncut tide]

Only if you're melee lol

[sterile moat]

for anyone caught in it really

[random anvil]

how do you dodge Lyon's earth spikes in Castrum?

[late willow]

Check the pinned guide

[sterile moat]

you have 2 choices

do the mechanic

[rain onyx]

Easiest way is to use your knock back immunity

[sterile moat]

or not

yea

dodge the aoe, surecast and stay mid

[random anvil]

thanks. always just end up hugging the edge while people are dpsing him in mid

funny that the guide doesn't tell you how to dodge magnets lol

[sterile moat]

there's a variation of the magnets i just don't bother

i point myself at a place i know i'll only get hit once and get thrown there

[random anvil]

yeah, but it's bleed debuff that usually kills me

[sterile moat]

the bleed is because you're too close to the white ball

you need to get pulled into the orb but not touch it

[random anvil]

wtf, but if it's white balls + knockback, your supposed to stand close to the other white ball

and get knocked into the other one

[rain onyx]

Stand by the orb or slightly inside the orb for magnets

[random anvil]

but you stillget the bleed?

[rain onyx]

With good positioning it’ll be close

Thankfully the bleed isn’t fatal

Or causes like damage down

[sterile moat]

just stand on the opposite white ball and get pulled

[random anvil]

okay, guess i'm just standing too close

but hten there's the white ball pull in

[viscid monolith]

https://preview.redd.it/j0ga49vzw2u51.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=33d89df3ce8a5c409afd99457a8c296a7c994348

This community is cruel.

[sterile moat]

lol

[humble heath]

Are coins only from Castrum? For the Bozjan gear

[sterile moat]

yep

[humble heath]

And there's a chance to either get the gear itself or the upgrade materials as well?

[gaunt star]

the upgrade thing yea

very rare tho

[sterile moat]

😩 still no drops

[humble heath]

Okay. Then... I am lucky lol

[sterile moat]

knowing my luck

this is whats gonna happen

i'm gonna get 500 coins

buy something

[viscid monolith]

25 is the average amount of coins per run

[sterile moat]

and that same piece will drop

on my next run

[viscid monolith]

But you still might get more or less than 25

[sterile moat]

i don't have exactly bad luck, but my lady luck is a complete bitch

[humble heath]

This makes sense

I got the leg upgrade from my first run, and thought it was an eden style token

So, needless to say, I was very very confused

[lusty herald]

Feel like they should up the drop rate on it. Seems stupid rare.

[gaunt star]

for sure

[humble heath]

Especially for being a 1/hour instance

How many coins are a full set of gear?

[viscid monolith]

A lot

About 2500?

[gaunt star]

2500

2498 if you want to be exact

And it's not even like erueka gear where you literally do 2-3x as much with it

It's jsuth aste

[next quarry]

So it's 100 runs until you get them

If you get 25+ coins or so

[lusty herald]

Like, I'm trying to figure out the reason behind it. Surely it's to make the content a grind people stay around for ... but there's less sucky way to do it then going "Lul, if you don't get lucky with this extremely low drop rate for this long ass Dng that you can only do at certain times then have fun doing it 100 times for ONE full set!"

[next quarry]

Well

It's like ex mounts, gotta do an EX 99 times for the mount if unlucky

But it's a rather silly thing to lock behind hard RNG

[unreal wadi]

It's a bit

too much

[lusty herald]

Yes and no ... I don't have to wait for a Ex to pop and 1 extreme fight doesn't take the better part of an hour.

[unreal wadi]

If it was something

like Elemental

it would be fine... but over 3000 coins

is way too much

also there's a new title if you complete CLL 50 times btw

[humble heath]

I meant to ask how many coins for the gear, without counting the upgrade mats

[lusty herald]

Yeah, if it were a straight up stat stick boost in the zone then cool. It's just haste though :/

[unreal wadi]

Plus not every class needs haste

or rather, it hurts their rotation with haste

Elemental Gear, on the other hand, had extra bonuses going for it, apart from haste

Same for Vermillion & Kirin

[humble heath]

Elemental Gear also looked rad as hell

[unreal wadi]

YEEEEE

ELEMENTAL GEAR LOOKS DAMN GOOD

[lusty herald]

I wonder if this gear will glow for the final upgrade ..

[unreal wadi]

The elemental armor + 1

was very glamourable

even the base was really good

[lusty herald]

The Elemental hat for Aiming and Striking are core to all my Sam/ Ranged glams

[unreal wadi]

I love the fucking casting robe

Im just a bit overwhelmed with Bozja gear augmentation

its a waste

for just that little bit of haste

[humble heath]

I think the fending set for Bozja looks really cool

[unreal wadi]

i didnt mean for those 2 lines to rhyme

Fending dyed is good

[humble heath]

Except the hood thing, but I normally hide the helm regardless

[lusty herald]

I'm guessing we're gonna have to have the augmented gear to upgrade to the next gear. Maybe then they will add stats

[unreal wadi]

The dyeing on the chestpiece is good

@lusty herald may be applicable to the next savage 48 man

like how B.A. recommends Kirin/Vermillion & Elemental + 2

For those extra stat boosts

[lusty herald]

Would actually be funny if having the 50 clears title on your character actually increased the drop rate a ton.

[unreal wadi]

[lusty herald]

and yeah, I'm guessing so

[unreal wadi]

And bonuses from

relic weapon

[lusty herald]

Tis why I want all my gear upgraded now

[unreal wadi]

But we have about a month before 5.4

and maybe another 2 months before 5.45

5.45 will probably have the next relic weapon update

since SE probably wont overlap Bozja grind with Eden's Promise (Savage)

[lusty herald]

Yeah, I forget that they like to refer to things as "Coming on X.3!" only for it to mean "X.35.."

hope new eden is good

[unreal wadi]

Its more to stop overlap I suppose

Im looking forward to going into a new raid tier blind

with my static

[lusty herald]

I only got into savage these past couple of months so I'm excited to so how things feel when it's not old as dirt.

[unreal wadi]

y u do this to us SE

Not my image

[open verge]

I don’t get it

What’s the problem?

[sterile moat]

i'm getting close

so far i got 513 coins

why it averages 27 coins? it's because i had incomplete runs

so i got extra from runs where it did not count for the achievement since i didn't kill gawon

also

"my premade will kill lyon" > fail

is

too

fucking

common

STOP DOING THIS SHIT

[open verge]

Lmao

I’m just doing it for all the chest pieces

And the hoods

[sterile moat]

wow

a full run

i was only outdpsed by a SAM on adrammellech

[dim sigil]

I had a augment piece drop but I'm expecting it to be massively undercut by the time I go back and look

[sterile moat]

no

it even says on the quest

[half phoenix]

!action Dynamis Dice

[lusty shadow]

**Dynamis Dice** : lvl 0 PLD MNK WAR DRG BRD WHM BLM SMN SCH NIN MCH DRK AST SAM RDM GNB DNC (180.0 second cooldown)(Instant cast time)

Powered by XIVAPI

[unreal wadi]

I'm guessing... its an RNG skill for the lols?

[half phoenix]

maybe, it doesn't say what it does at all though

[unreal wadi]

Think I saw an image of someone using it, and dying

[half phoenix]

I still wish they'd rework how the "lost" actions worked >_>

after you learn them, they shouldn't be lost anymore >_>

[gloomy shale]

who benefits most from haste in bozja you think?

[polar star]

Google translate ofc, but it's legible enough to be believable

[wary perch]

Dynamis Dice Effects:
Haste + (+6 Haste, 1 min)
High Wire (+30% DMG, 1 min)
HP & MP Up (30%, 3 min)
Healer LB 3
Doom (10s cannot esuna)
Minimum (15s)
Pyretic (10s)
Poison (15s)
Toad (15s)

[gloomy shale]

is that for castrum?

[wary perch]

From eureka explorer

[polar star]

yes nova

[tough zinc]

Cleared castrum 5 times so far and only once saw recruitment issues, but only because the majority of the zone was in a CE when it procced. Are there any major issues with recruitment for it on other DCs?

[unreal wadi]

oh this happens a lot

But if anything, those who are about rank 12 - 15 on JP would rather wait for CLL to pop instead

[tough zinc]

oh well, 6 mins wait time should be enough for a CE to finish so everyone can get in afterwards

[lusty herald]

Found that the best way to ensure good turn out for Castrum is to whine about it in shout, until you get an ETA on when Castrum is going to pop in that instance ... then whine about how people shouldn't join CEs if they want to do Castrum when it's like 12 mins away.

[sterile moat]

castrum is beatable with 24+ people

as long you get that amount there shouldn't be recruitment issues

[lusty herald]

Let a Castrum pop when someone hasn't been whining about in for the past 10-15 mins in shout chat? That's how you get a 22 or 18 person turn out and even though it's beatable people will que in and leave cause they don't think it's do able.

[sterile moat]

can't say the same for primal

people are constantly asking for castrum

[lusty herald]

I've been in Castrums were people leave cause there was only 26. Crystal is a chump server :/

[sterile moat]

and today i only saw one that didn't fill because people got stuck on a CE

most runs have 30+ people

[gaunt star]

I've had success telling people exactly when it's going to pop and when to start avoiding CEs

ofc that only works for the first one of the instance

Unless you were in the first one and know exactly when the second pops although I don't think it's known exactly when that occurs

I think it's 1 hr after the previous castrum closes tho

[rain onyx]

@half phoenix that would immensely devalue the fragments that you get the skills from, and they’d probably rework getting the actions to be harder to get

Besides, on Gilgamesh most of the fragments dropped down to the thousands at this point, and will continue to drop

I bet the more common fragments will go below 1k by the end of the month

[unreal wadi]

Oh hey, music scrolls drop in CLL

Esper Battle Theme dropped after Brionac/Helldiver

[wary pond]

dynamic sensor is crap mech

i didnt fkn move

and server said no fk u

u moved

its funny how someone lbed triggered sensor

[odd yoke]

@wary pond git gud

[wary pond]

shit mechs are shit

i have no issues with lyon or blm

[wary pond]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/jelrig/psa_leave_your_party_if_you_got_won_gabriel_duel/?

[gaunt star]

no focus cheese

last slash sam p gud

if only I knew how to play sam tho

[wary pond]

lol

[marsh osprey]

@gaunt star want to know the easiest way to tell when it pops

[unreal wadi]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/jejxy9/recruitment_time_for_castrum_bozja_will_be/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Oh.

6 minutes?

[random anvil]

inb4 "that's too long"

[unreal wadi]

I was gonna say that but

6 minutes seem fine if there's another CE happening at the same time

[wet crown]

it is too long and a 10 min warning before CLL would be better

[random anvil]

it is too long tho

[unreal wadi]

True.

[random anvil]

a warning and a huge siren every minute for 10 minutes until it pops

[unreal wadi]

should be like

"The Resistance is about to make a move on Castrum Lacus Lactorie in __ minutes."

[wary pond]

6 mins is good change

[odd yoke]

The 6min is basically the warning

[wary pond]

at least thats 1 issue addressed

[odd yoke]

In a sense

[wary pond]

now address duels

[odd yoke]

One week of spawning duels

Only 4 tries so far

[wary pond]

7 here

5 clears

2 fails

[odd yoke]

I just wanna be one and done

[wary pond]

failed gabriel sensor ty to party

and 2nd flash over in blm

[odd yoke]

I'm still annoyes about being clipped by 1cm by lyon and pyro

You wanna know whats funny as well

The reason i got clipped on Lyon

I play on controller

My sprint is L3

I swapped actions after dispel

My cursor still had the bojza window selected

L3 resizes windows

...

[wary pond]

lolol

[odd yoke]

"where my SPRINT"

"fuck"

[wary pond]

idk if duels will be fixed

buts lets see

[odd yoke]

I want a lower cooldown at least

I think we're seeing like an hour + on cooldown

[half phoenix]

Yep, they’ll be nerfed/fixed eventually

Once general population drops they’ll probably lower the health/resistances of tier 3-5 mobs as well as the critical engagements so people can spawn and clear them faster

And they’ll probably do something about the people either instance hopping, or AFKing waiting on castrum

[eager prairie]

In a casturm run, recsued all 6 prisoners finally lol

[wet crown]

it's super easy with 40+ people now

[unreal wadi]

^

People (and me) still die to Dawon though lol

[rain onyx]

Hardest part is balancing people for the first boss /s

[wet crown]

Dawon's cross hitbox is bullshit

[pastel coyote]

sadly it's true

[wet crown]

[pastel coyote]

"circle is the safe spot"

[wet crown]

I refuse to not use tank essences on healers and DPS

[pastel coyote]

yeaaaaaaah

[rain onyx]

I compromise with Templar for WHM

Good mix of damage and defense

[wet crown]

DPS is not an issue if you can stay alive comfortably

[rain onyx]

But it feels nice to be one of the top DPS with Aetherweaver active tho

[unreal wadi]

fuck everything

pop hallowed

[wet crown]

this is what I actually did once

8 stacks of vuln

[pallid fox]

Is there a comprehensive list of the spawn requirements for each of the CEs yet?

Yes, I've seen the pin, but a lot of that seems to be speculation.

[viscid monolith]

Honestly that entire list might be bs

There's no way killing the red chocobos spawns the Skirmish

[wet crown]

it doesn't

you spawn chocotober by killing magitek stuff

wha...? the doc even says so

where are you looking at

[viscid monolith]

It was recently updated

It's even crossed out in the document itself

They must have done it yesterday because I was checking it all of Sunday

[deep creek]

Hey, so what drops more memory, the fates or CE?

[pastel coyote]

fate

[next quarry]

Random Bozja mobs

[wary hawk]

Is farming mobs in Bozja viable for Bitter Memories? Or should I just stick to Antitower?

[open verge]

Bozja imo

[odd yoke]

Bojza

Just aoe grind mobs

For everything

In a party is stupidly fast

"but its only a percentage chance!" who cares when you're murdering 60 mobs at once across the party

[soft gyro]

what's the ilvl on the relic?

[odd yoke]

500

[soft gyro]

thx

[neat egret]

Does anyone know if it's possible to do the Gabriel 1v1 without Manawall or a tank invuln?

[odd yoke]

No

It does 360k damage

[neat egret]

[odd yoke]

Without them

[neat egret]

ty

[wary pond]

@odd yoke actually 440k

[odd yoke]

Well on a tank it was 360k

So dps more

[wary pond]

u need 75% mitigation

to survive it by normal means

which is unobtainable by other means

[wary hawk]

So if I don't have friends I shouldn't do Bozja is what you're saying?

[vagrant sinew]

wut

who said you need friends

people are always doing cluster farms now

[wary hawk]

I barely got 6 memories in over an hour yesterday with a group of 7 split into 2 groups. Was that just bad rng? I'm new to clusters so idk how it works tbh

Did my last msg come off as rude? If so I'm sorry bc I didn't mean for it to

[odd yoke]

Clusters are farming magitek mobs

So a tank mass pulls magiteks and people kill

And you farm drops

Getting fragments, clusters, memories all at once

[wary hawk]

Yeah, that's what we did yesterday. Only got 6 in over an hour, so wondering if that's normal or bad rng. Others said they got almost 10 per hour but obv both stories are anecdotal

[odd yoke]

Depends if you have 1 group all in one place, which is the small brain strat or 2 sets of parties in your group farming in different areas for more drops

The latter gives more

[wary hawk]

We were doing the latter

[gaunt star]

uwu

[autumn heron]

WE HAVE RETURNED

[gaunt star]

[solemn jay]

I watched the channel shift owo

[autumn heron]

Time to turn this into the temporary mega degenercy chat once more

[dry remnant]

time to wait for the datamines

[solemn jay]

have fun

[wet crown]

all I care about in terms of datamining is the BLU spells

actually, I just care about how disappointing the new water spell is and if Concentrativity is learnable

[formal niche]

[arctic belfry]

Who's excited

[gentle temple]

O/

[formal niche]

I was excited to sleep but DND doesn’t do shit on mobile discord

[vale flower]

[formal niche]

I was so close to throwing my phone at the wall

[arctic belfry]

Flie just throw your phone across the room

[gentle temple]

Go take a nap

[arctic belfry]

Then you can sleep

[formal niche]

Well now it’s time to read those patch notes

And see if we finally have content in ShB

[gentle temple]

Nope, no content.

Zero

[formal niche]

Sadge

[gentle temple]

ShB is just an empty box

[lament breach]

Burst Shot: Potency has been increased from 240 to 250.

[formal niche]

RIP bard mains

At least you got a violin now

[lament breach]

My day is ruined lol

[formal niche]

So you can play the world’s saddest song

[lament breach]

Hahah true

[arctic belfry]

Flie songs are too powerful

[plain saffron]

Bard mans having rights

[arctic belfry]

They cant play them

[plain saffron]

Se won't have that

[formal niche]

LOL

Man that reasoning

[arctic belfry]

What do you except from someone who doesn't even have a white belt

[rustic heath]

Poor Bard mains

Everytime I see a buff for bard I'm like "I can't wait for 10 potency up"

[odd yoke]

[rustic heath]

Also RDM didn't need that buff

But it got one

So i ain't complaining

[odd yoke]

Summoner is perfect in every way Except fix pet shit

[rustic heath]

They nerfed tri disaster last time right?

I can't remember

[bright magnet]

rdm buff lets gooooooo

[odd yoke]

Nerfed the on hit damage

[rustic heath]

Oh okay

[livid oracle]

is there another trial coming later? Just 1 mount? Shouldn't Emerald be the last trial to get the final trial mount? Like kirin for the ponys, whats it called for the falcons, the kitsune for the doggos, etc

[gaunt star]

5.5 should have one more mount trial

[livid oracle]

oh, cool

[latent stream]

5.5 is adding the last nier raid too

[livid oracle]

oh right I forgot there should be another raid tier lol

[urban turret]

Y’all excited for void quests

[gaunt star]

I dont even remember if i did void quests lol

[latent stream]

Oh yeah hope you did all the role quests for 5.4 lol

[gaunt star]

Well i did those

[pastel coyote]

why should we have not ?

[gaunt star]

No you should for one of the quests

[latent stream]

Cuz you need a lv80 melee, tank, caster and healer to do them all

[gaunt star]

Melee/phys ranged are the same

[pastel coyote]

as the dumbest regular member of the lore-chan, i did almost all optional content ofc

[gaunt star]

I did do the special quest with the elezen that was with ardbert, im not sure uf thats the void quest or not

If*

[latent stream]

That's also a pre req for the new quest

[odd yoke]

The void quests are new

[pastel coyote]

To unlock the void quest you need: clearing WT + doing the "safekeeping" quest that you can do after the final role quest

[odd yoke]

Which uses ||Cyella and White robe kid||

[gaunt star]

Oh, i should be set then

[urban turret]

Unukalhai

[pastel coyote]

making safekeeping the final final role quest

[odd yoke]

Him and his dumb spelling name

[gaunt star]

I call him the "boy who cried primal"

[rustic heath]

Oh that's right. Warring Triad is gonna be mandatory

[odd yoke]

Well not mandatory, just for these Void quests

[rustic heath]

Ah

I already did them anyway

[pastel coyote]

well we don't know, for now

[urban turret]

Make them nessary for msq yoshi p you coward

[odd yoke]

Cause then that leads to doing all role quests mandatory

[pastel coyote]

but if the void quest turn out to be msq in the future, it wouldn't be before 1 or 2 year imo

because people are lazy shit

[urban turret]

Make everyone level 4 classes yoshi p

[gaunt star]

You already got people getting 80 in all the crafting/gathering classes before they finish HW, they'll never get to endgame if they do that lmao

[urban turret]

Make anima weapon required story

Let my child who follows me around free

[gaunt star]

Besides Id rather not have another round of week one "never even seen a tank" GNBs around again

Those were pogn't moments

[half phoenix]

Going to assume the patch itself isn’t already up and being dug through?

[gaunt star]

Correct

[latent stream]

Patch notes are out tho

[gaunt star]

New prelim patch notes are

Like the monk changes

[odd yoke]

Full notes

[latent stream]

Well probably be able to download the patch in about 12 hours

[potent veldt]

Honestly, I feel kinda mixed on the Monk changes. Not having to worry about the greased lightning stack means I can focus in on other things. I'm curious to see how the increase in potency will compare though.

[odd yoke]

No thoughts, just punch

[gaunt star]

Chakra is more consistent and TK is a standard single target ability, plus your buff and chakra procs are affected by/to spells now

[latent stream]

Look away child, weapons are temporary the glory the first is eternal

[gaunt star]

You'll just be doing more ogcds than before at reduced speed

[odd yoke]

"monks have nothing to weave!"
"OK heres 10 chakra per second during burst"

[gaunt star]

Yup lmao

Wondering if formless fist will pick up the form of the move it was used with, like twins putting you in courl

[potent veldt]

I haven't quite gotten my monk up to the point I can use Chakra yet. It was technically the first class I started with in the game, but being the first time I played, I didn't quite know enough about the game mechanics and I abandoned the class for Tanks. I decided to come back to it after I maxed out my GNB

[odd yoke]

Formless fist is basically just 1 hit perfect balance

[gaunt star]

Thats what it sounds like

[plain saffron]

It says in the patch notes that it will

Because it applies effects of the skill used

[odd yoke]

So you'll like Form shift for DK to get leaden fist